Hey Joel, scoring against United is easy | HELP US Premier League

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The hilarious mess that is going on at United continued last night as they took their easy draw in Olympiacos and ballsed it up with a horrendous 2-0 away losss from home. I mean, honestly, there’s expecting United to mess up, then there’s David Moyes surprising and delighting with the most unexpected horror show of a result.

The best bit about the game yesterday? Joel Campbell, or JC as he’ll be known if he becomes a player, scored one of the goals with a peachy strike. Apparently he wants to come back to Arsenal at some point. Hey, who doesn’t…? Not sure that’s going to be a reality if the rumours of us trying to flog in in January are true. He looked like he had all the ingredients to a be a good player… he just didn’t act on them. When he first broke onto the global scene for Costa Rica, he looked like Anelka with his style. That clearly means nothing though as he’s floundered in Europe.

… I’m mean scoring against United isn’t exactly a winning attribute. Well, not these days.

The wider issue is that England have so far, totally ballsed up the second phase of the Champions League. Losing openers to Bayern, Barca and Olympiacos. It doesn’t bode well for our coefficients. Does this tell you we have a poor league? No. Like I’ve said many times, our league hasn’t become worse, it’s improved beyond recognition. The better teams have caught up. Smarter management, better tech, improved knowledge, more European style tactics… and most importantly, money being spent with the longer term in mind (infrastructure projects like Southampton).

Pound for pound we have the strongest league in the world. What we don’t have at the moment is a super club in the sense that Spain, France and Germany do. To have that in Europe, you have to sacrifice something at home. I wouldn’t want that. I mean, in Germany, Bayern’s strategy for leading the league is to buy ALL the German talent. Even worse, their casual disassembling of Dortmund through financial might.

In Spain, two super clubs… with a league in absolute tatters both ability wise or in most cases, financially. Their two best teams are winning because all the others are failing terribly.

Over in the Premiership… it’s a 4 horse race. This is a fairly new thing, but it’s exciting all the same. We should embrace it. Also, the league should start embracing its elite clubs. What the hell is going on with the outrageous fixture list. Stick in the winter break, organise the fixtures so the league gives the best teams an easy patch of games around the times we’re in Europe. Move the cup games to Fridays or at the very worst, a Saturday so we’re on an equal footing with Europe.

It really is bad planning and perplexing that the league ignore all these factors despite clearly pushing hard to have the best league in the world.

Anyway, that’s my two pennies. So what’s new with Arsenal?

Well, Julian Draxler has now decided that Arsenal aren’t the only club he’ll consider this summer. He’ll consider, guess who? BAYERN. Honestly, another piece of strategic failure by Arsenal if that move goes down the toilet. He looks the part, the club clearly think he is the real deal, but we melted out when his price tag was non-negotiable. I hope this isn’t a sign for the summer. I’d heard on the grape vine that Arsenal are on the trail of players for next year… now. So players are being hawked around and Arsenal are making their plans now. Trouble is, this happened last summer… we blitzed Europe looking for deals and couldn’t pull them off.

Will we learn? Well, from what I understand, the club has, it’s just a case of the manager pulling the trigger with less trepidation. We don’t need a David Dein, we need a strong management team who’ll just say… Arsene, tell us what you want and we’ll make it happen. Don’t worry about the details, we’ll take care of them, you just sit down in that chair, the latest copy of 4-4-2 just dropped, so have some fun…

Interesting that Wenger is yet to sign a new deal. This is apparently the latest he’s ever waited. I’m wondering if he’s waiting to bow out at the top, or to leave if the plan goes down the toilet? I hope that whatever the plan is, Ivan Gazidis and the team around him are working on a succession plan. Personally, I think that might involve Steve Bould, which I’d be pretty pleased with. I don’t mind what happens, as long as there is a plan for the whole club in place. Once Wenger is gone, it’s time for the club to put in place ground work plans like they did for the sponsorship and marketing. It’ll be an interesting summer whatever happens…

Plenty of cud to chew on. Now, I’m not sure what cud is, or if I’ve spelt that properly. If it’s something disgusting, can someone text me so I can change it.

HAVE A MASSIVE GOOD DAY YOU HEAR ME?

x

P.S. Take a read of this article I wrote about Stoke… it has my face on a Stoke Forum. Proper nawty internet geezers didn’t like the tone.

 

 

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  1. Thomas

    I don’t really get the part that big teams should get an easy fixture. What’s an ‘easy fixture’? No one can know before the seasons begins what that should look like. The schedule should of course be random.

  2. reality check

    This comnent made me laugh

    “But of course, if you don’t win people will say ‘you did not win’. But people forget that in 2006 we played a Champions League Final with 10 men and nearly won it.

    Ha! Nearly. He actually said nearly. Same loser talk he’s been spitting with the

    Fourth place is a trophy

    My days.. This guy… seriously

  3. TheBayingMob

    OK 2 not 3, sorry … but I think that’s a decent record in a European elite competition, seeing as they were runners up twice and also have multiple semi finals, I don’t see how this can be described as ‘atrocious’ … laughable … again if Arsenal had got near this you’d be making gold statues of Arsene and hailing him as a hero. I fucking hate United, but they have pedigree in the CL. Agree to disagree I suppose, but I think you’re very wrong …

  4. Rhys Jaggar

    I don’t know why everyone is saying that Draxler saying ‘he wouldn’t rule out Bayern Munich’ means he’s going there, it’s a done deal etc.

    It’s probably Schalke trying to create an auction situation and Arsenal must simply decide what the maximum they are prepared to pay is and not offer more.

  5. Cesc Appeal

    I wonder what the hold up is with the Wenger deal – I hope that it’s to do with the club getting tough on him or him himself thinking of leaving.

    But really could it just be that they are waiting for the opportunistic moment to declare it? Risky business, if we were to finish 3rd/4th empty handed and THEN they announce Wenger is staying for another 3 years…that’d be interesting to see.

  6. Marko

    If Wenger does decide to leave in the summer we should move heaven and earth for someone like Klopp/Simeone/Low. I love Bouldy but you’re taking a risk with hiring him as manager.

  7. Cesc Appeal

    Marko

    I agree.

    Bould would be an unnecessary risk.

    It’s exciting just thinking about it, such a massive change – I don’t expect that excitement to last long though, as I say, I think they are just waiting for the most opportunistic moment.

  8. Romford Pele

    “But really could it just be that they are waiting for the opportunistic moment to declare it?”

    My issue was that they’ve had loads of opportunities to do this and haven’t as such.

    I said a couple months ago but Wenger normally signs around October when he’s into the last year of his contract. This is getting very late now and hugely unlike him. I may be wrong but I just feel like there may be more here we’re not being told about.

    If he is to leave, I hope the board are actively pursuing the right people, wouldn’t bank on it though. I don’t Bould although I acknowledge it’s a huge risk. Would he want the job anyway though? He was loathe to take on the assistant’s role – Wenger had to persuade him. That said, I like what he did with the U18s team that included Wilshere, Lansbury, JET, Coquelin etc. First team is obviously a step up though.

  9. Marko

    Also on Draxler I’d be very surprised if we didn’t sign him in the summer. I’d even go as far to say there’s probably a verbal agreement with the player and possibly the club to do a deal in the summer possibly early too ala Podolski. Now whether there are or who the other targets are in the summer now that’s anyones guess. I sense it’ll be a busy window this summer with as many as 5-7 top class strikers possibly changing clubs (Diego Costa, Benzema, Suarez, Falcao, Mandsukic, Muriel, Jackson Martinez and Balotelli). All depending on fitness of course. Right off the bat basing it on rumours if we got Ballotelli and Morata we’d have a great strike force with Yaya still there. Still need a holding midfielder and a centre back (2 if Vermaelen leaves) to really have a perfect squad (if we’ll ever have one with this manager).

  10. TheBayingMob

    Cesc Appeal
    ” … or him himself thinking of leaving”

    Defo this one, Arsene would have been shocked by the loss of faith that has happened in the last few years seeing as how he has an unbreakable belief in what he’s doing and probably still thinks Denilson is the greatest midfielder on earth and just sticks his fingers in his ears and goes LALALALALALA when anyone mentioned Park Chu Young, he knows he’s on a knife edge, if we fuck up that run of fixtures in March then the vitriol will ramp up pretty quickly; he knows he won’t be able survive it … I think it’s 50/50 at the moment, if we don’t survive the run in that well I think he will walk away from it … if we get a respectable 2nd/3rd and put up a semi decent fight in Munich then he might give it another few years … just a personal opinion based on no facts whatsover …

  11. Romford Pele

    “I sense it’ll be a busy window this summer with as many as 5-7 top class strikers possibly changing clubs (Diego Costa, Benzema, Suarez, Falcao, Mandsukic, Muriel, Jackson Martinez and Balotelli).”

    Think you’re being a bit loose with ‘top class’ strikes there. Liverpool looked nailed on for top 4 so can’t see Suarez going. Benzema maybe if Madrid get someone like Falcao in. Mandzukic, Martinez and Muriel aren’t in that top bracket. Seen quite a bit of Muriel this season and the dude isn’t even a guaranteed starter for Udinese. That’s worrying, especially considering Di Natale is on his last legs.

  12. Cesc Appeal

    RP

    Maybe it’s a case of the club trying to whip up hysteria in tangent with the crisis at United, so that there’s a feeling of relief when he signs?

    Some fans genuinely can’t even perceive of life post-Wenger.

    I just feel with all the money now available, it’s the right time for him to go…I’d think it was the right choice if he left, I can’t see him taking the club further than he has now.

  13. DanC

    reality check

    ‘Le Senile disrespected PV. He disrespected Pires and he disrespected the legend that is bergkamp by leaving him on the bench CL final.

    Wenger out… since 2005’

    The CL final was 2006. You should sell that crystal ball mate would fetch a fucking fortune

  14. Romford Pele

    Cesc, I have no idea really, just throwing it out there. When asked about it last week, Wenger said no news. What do we put that down to? If it was a money issue, the board would surely give it to him considering how much he makes them?

    I do agree that some people are finding it hard to fathom Arsenal without Wenger which is a shame. While he is our most successful manager ever, the club moved forward and operates without him.

    Would some players question their position though? This is Wenger’s team. Would any new manager want to develop the likes of Ox, Gnabry etc? Ozil said he joined the club because of the manager; so what happens next? I could see Bould being a logical appointment because he knows all the players, is a disciplinarian and wouldn’t wanna get involved in board matters – willing to keep the status quo basically. But again, would he want to manage? Not even sure of what his knowledge of the market is.

    A lot of questions to be answered. What I worry about is that if Wenger goes, Gazidis lacks the nous to appoint a forward thinking manager.

  15. DUIFG

    Liverpool press very effectively which kind of hides their deficiencies in CM. They still need to strengthen there, especially if they plan to compete on multiple fronts next season.

    Heard Isco rumours today, coutinho isco Henderson is a very well balanced mid. We need sturridge to be poached or they could be a serious threat.

  16. Nasri's Mouth

    @Emiratesstroller

    Depends on your definition of world class of course, but we could have bought an additional £30m player for a couple of seasons before we signed Ozil. But that’s about it really.
    Going head to head with ManU/Bayern/Chelsea/Barca and RM hasn’t really been sensible for a while. Now we have a better chance, though ManU for example are still streets ahead financially.

  17. Cesc Appeal

    RP

    Agreed, the infrastructure at the club is horrendous, awful set up for a big club, severe lack of football men.

    Players say a lot of things, very doubtful Ozil or any of them would think about leaving as long as the replacement was of a Klopp like stature – and not a Moyes type leaving star players feeling underwhelmed.

  18. Romford Pele

    “Heard Isco rumours today, coutinho isco Henderson is a very well balanced mid. We need sturridge to be poached or they could be a serious threat.”

    I’m not sure that is mate. Hugely attacking and would score shed loads but Henderson isn’t a DM. Who protects the back four? Also, while Isco and Coutinho are both awesome, they’re all relatively lightweight. Factor in Sterling and you have Arsenal of a few years ago. Good on the ball, going forward and creating chances, but totally lost without it.

  19. Nasri's Mouth

    @TheBayingMob

    2 in 15 years isn’t to be sniffed at, but if you look at them and say they’ve been in the top 3 biggest clubs in that time, then maybe they should have won it more. I wouldn’t be complaining if I was a ManU fan though

  20. Nasri's Mouth

    RP: A lot of questions to be answered. What I worry about is that if Wenger goes, Gazidis lacks the nous to appoint a forward thinking manager.

    Why ?

    I’m not suggesting he does or doesn’t, just interested in why you think he might not.

    I think Wenger will stay, if only because Gazidis was pretty blatant about it, and he’s a silver tongued fucker

  21. Romford Pele

    “I’m not suggesting he does or doesn’t, just interested in why you think he might not.”

    Because he has no history of doing so and has lied to the fans before. Commercially the dude is doing his job but i’m still not sold on him.

  22. Cesc Appeal

    RP

    Well said – he leaves a lot to be desired and I wouldn’t trust him as far as I could throw one of those £7 hotdogs

  23. Jeff

    If we drop 6 points against Chelsea and City (i.e. lose both games) we would be truly out of the running for the title. I cannot see how we can still be in it with only half a dozen games to go after that.

    The entire season may in fact boil down to one or both those games. Given that we haven’t managed to beat any of the big teams we’ve so far played (notwithstanding Liverpool who aren’t considered a big team anyway), the probability of winning the title this year is low.

    We simply have to treat those games as cup finals in every respect. Nothing less than 100% commitment, passion and work rate will do. As such, there will be a lot of pressure and in recent years we don’t handle crunch matches at all well. All the signs and recent history are against us.

  24. Zorro

    You’re setting yourself up for disappointment if you expect Wenger to sign players like Diego Costa when obviously it will kill Sonogo’s career.

  25. KJafc

    Baying Mob
    I don’t see how this can be described as ‘atrocious’ … laughable … again if Arsenal had got near this you’d be making gold statues of Arsene and hailing him as a hero. I fucking hate United, but they have pedigree in the CL. Agree to disagree I suppose, but I think you’re very wrong …
    __________________
    Here you go again. You miss the point, either because you are an idiot or have simply decided to be deliberately argumentative. I suggest the latter, you seem to like a row.

    This was a discussion about whether or not it is harder for EPL teams to win the CL, with the competitive nature of the league. You can twist it however you like, but what the fuck has that debate got to do about Wenger? It seems that if anyone disagrees with you, you throw in a Wenger insult irrespective of whether the discussion had anything to do with Wenger. It is how ‘you’ discredit another persons opinion, I guess it is easier to insult and shove someone in a pigeon hole than debate.

    In simple terms:

    For years Man Utd had a massive financial advantage over every other club – hence why their record in the CL is questioned. They were able to spend whatever they liked on whoever they wanted and could virtually have the pick of any player. Despite this dominance, they have just two ‘lucky’ (in my opinion) Cl wins to show for it. I do not believe this is a great return.

    So is this because Fergie is not a great manager or because the intensity of competition in England disadvantaged English teams? I suggest the latter, I do think our clubs are hampered, as several others have commented. Just my opinion.

    How about you stick to the debate and find reasons why it isn’t harder for English teams and we can have a sensible discussion. Put the childish jibes on hold mate.

  26. Nasri's Mouth

    @RP

    Yeah, I guess until he can prove he CAN do it, there’s always a big worry he can’t.

    Plus the pot of obvious candidates is pretty bloody small at the moment.

  27. Invincibles

    People on here make me laugh. So united have an atrocious CL record do they? Even though they have achieved far more than we have in that competition? Fair enough. So why is it people bring up wengers record of always making the CL 16 years running as though thats something amazing? Ha ha ha. Some people can just not see how much of an average manager le cunt has become.

  28. Zorro

    Come to think of it, if Wenger loves Arsenal as much as he want us to believe, he would not sign that new deal, because obviously, he has done his best, it’s now time for someone to take the club to the next level.

  29. KJafc

    DAnC
    The CL final was 2006. You should sell that crystal ball mate would fetch a fucking fortune
    _________
    Nicely put. It makes you wonder how long some of these have been following the club, when they make basic date errors. We have one wanting Wenger Out pre 2000, another the year after the Invincibles and citing 2005, blaming it on the CL Final loss which was actually 2006!!

    Interesting.

  30. Cesc Appeal

    Wenger lost it with me January 2011 – realised he no longer had, whatever THAT thing is that drives people to really aspire to achieve the greatest achievements.

    He’s lost that. Not a critique, he’s old (well getting on) and he’s very comfortable at the club, no boss, no direction, no restraint, no rules.

    It’s for that reason that I would like to bid him a fond farewell at the end of the season, thank him for everything he’s done and start a new, modern chapter with this new modern Arsenal hat there is no question the old man helped birth. But now it’s time for a change, natural and healthy, it has to happen – we can’t continue this stagnation and I really don’t understand the viewpoint of people who want Wenger for another 3 years at least?

    He did do great things, but he’s gone 3x as long as that new contract with no trophy, worse repeating the same mistakes over and over and over again. Refusing to adapt, refusing to change to the footballing world around him as it changes, even if he despises what it’s become.

  31. Invincibles

    According to some on here they’ve underachieved….REALLY? Let me guess, these same people probably thing le twat has overachieved eh.
    Sooner him and the other stooges fuck off, the sooner we can get back to actually trying to win trophies.

  32. Invincibles

    I’ve wanted him out for about 5 years now. But year on year he’s making himself and the club a laughing stock. To being humiliated on the pitch, to his shoddy dealings in the transfer market. I mean come on, just look at the KK loan. Absolutely shocking, so much so he should of been sacked on the spot for wasting club money and humiliating the club.

  33. Emiratesstroller

    Nasri’s Mouth

    My main concern is how we buy players and not how much we spend.

    The reality is that Ozil was not our first choice. My instinct is that Wenger and
    Gazidis panicked when we lost to Aston Villa in the fashion we did and we landed up paying a huge price on last day so that Real Madrid could plough in some funds having spent a fortune on Bale. If Levy had been cleverer Spurs could have put a spanner in the works there as well.

    Whilst I suspect that Arsenal are not interested in a very large percentage of
    so-called media rumours I am pretty sure that there were at least 3-4 players
    that we were interested in ahead of Ozil.

    Higuain was definitely high on our list. The reason Napoli were able to buy him was that Wenger refused to meet the asking price and not that Higuain or his agent preferred the sunnier climes of Napoli. He waited some time before committing himself and that suggests that he waited to see whether Arsenal would come back in.

    Suarez and Di Maria were almost certainly on our shopping list as well.

    I hope that when we line up players in next transfer window we do it early and not wait and see what World Cup has to offer. What we need to spend serious money on are a box to box midfielder and a striker and not speculative youngsters such as Draxler.

    Also we need to sort out contract of Sagna. Frankly I don’t fancy spending in the next transfer window £10-15 million on a right full back if it can be avoided.
    The CHEAPER option is to pay Sagna £80-100 k pw for 2 years particularly if we need to recruit a replacement for Vermaelen as seems likely. It is possible
    that in a couple of seasons Bellerin might prove a good replacement at right back and that might save us a she load of money.

  34. Just Procastrinating

    @Jeff

    “notwithstanding Liverpool who aren’t seen as a big team anyway…”
    By who, you?
    Even after 24 years of no titles they’re a bigger club than Arsenal, which is why they can attract bigger ‘name’ players.
    Arsenal have nowhere near the same pedigree as Liverpool, at home or globally.
    So if they’re not a big team where does that put Arsenal?

  35. Nasri's Mouth

    Invincibles: Absolutely shocking, so much so he should of been sacked on the spot for wasting club money and humiliating the club.

    Sacked on the spot for signing a loan player whose wages are being paid while he’s injured ?

    Come on, there are decent arguments why he should be sacked, but that’s not one of them

  36. Invincibles

    @Nasri’s Mouth
    What a surprise your sticking up for wenger for showing the club up. Come on man, you really believe KK’s parent club are paying his wages while he’s injured. Ha ha ha. For a so called smart guy your very niave. If Wenger served you his shit and told you it’s caviar youd lap it up.

  37. Zorro

    @Zorro
    Wenger loves Arsenal……my arse. Wenger loves 2 things, himself and money.” this and the absolute power he has.

  38. Thomas

    Nasri’s Mouth February 26, 2014 17:23:08

    Invincibles: According to some on here they’ve underachieved….REALLY?

    Ahh, so no-one said atrocious then

    ________

    Yes, Kjafc did.

  39. Cesc Appeal

    Yeah, the Kallstrom thing is just another entry in the enormous case against him, but it’s not the strongest piece against him

  40. Nasri's Mouth

    @Emiratesstroller

    Look, it’s purely a guess, but given that we’ve been working (for good reasons or bad) on a much smaller budget than some of our rivals, I suspect we do have multiple targets or options.

    Wenger and Gazidis would have known that Bale was always going to Madrid and they’d have known that Madrid was going to sell one of their players so IMO there was contact and discussion well before the end of the transfer window. There were lots of links between us and various RM in lots of the media.

    Was Ozil 1st choice ? Who knows, but he was the pick of the bunch that we might have got IMO, so I’d like to think he’s was Wenger’s 1st choice there too, esp. when you know that he and Wenger had spoken before.

    Whatever, I think it’s sometimes a tactic we’ve employed where we identify various players that would improve the team, and then bring in the one that we get for the best price. It’s not perfect, but it’s a cheaper option than throwing huge amounts at just 1 player to make sure we get him.

    There are times though when we’ve sorted out our transfers pretty effectively.

    Giroud, Podolski, Monreal (who was a signing for the summer) all look as though they were individually targeted. Cazorla too.

    I’d like to keep Sagna too, but it might take 3yrs and 100k/wk to keep him. He’s had the double leg break, but he’s looked much closer to his best this season, and players like Winterburn and Dixon played on into their 30s when we had a similar style.

  41. Nasri's Mouth

    Invincibles: What a surprise your sticking up for wenger for showing the club up. Come on man, you really believe KK’s parent club are paying his wages while he’s injured.

    Yes I believe it, because it would be very easy for it to be found out to be a lie if it was.

    Seriously, you need to move on from KK. It’s a nothing.

    Look, I’ll give you some help here. You want to bang on that Wenger should be sacked for wasting the clubs money, use Park as your example. He’s cost the club considerably more, has been totally ineffective, and we had all summer to bring in a player in his area. We only started looking at midfielders in Jan when Ramsey got re-injured, and Flamini got suspended.

  42. Ashwin Gunner

    Pedro

    Nice post man. It would be nice every time you give the links to your guest post in other columns.

    BTW I thougt your real name was indeed Pedro 😛

  43. Nasri's Mouth

    @Invincibles

    When it comes to transfer fees, Wenger is overall actually pretty good. There are plenty of charts that show he’s spent 59p in 10 years compared to £57billion by manC / Chelsea etc.

    Where he’s not good is overspending on wages for squad players (and even when you factor that in, he’s still not really under-performing, certainly in the PL he slightly over-performs on overall spend)

    And of course it does seem quite clear that he doesn’t always spend as much as he can / should.

  44. Keyser

    “What a surprise your sticking up for wenger for showing the club up. ”

    “Yeah, the Kallstrom thing is just another entry in the enormous case against him”

    Lol do people just deal in hyperbole.

  45. Invincibles

    @Nasri’s Mouth
    You like wenger and thatd your choice. Me I loathe the man, absolutely detest the dinosaur. He is a has been and a massive failure for most of his dictatorship at Arsenal.

  46. Tippitappi

    It’s one thing being smug about manure going down the tubes but we didn’t even manage a goal nor looked like getting one

  47. Gambon

    The AKBs who stick up for anything Wenger does and never find any faults in his doings completely do my head in!
    How thick could these set of people be?
    I know I would love to underachieve with 2 cl titles, 2 runners up over 1 cl final loss in 17 years..
    Wenger could bed their WAGs and they would still find a reason like “Wenger didn’t have enough money to attract single women, so we let him do our WAGs”
    Fuckin mental!

  48. Nasri's Mouth

    @Invincibles

    I don’t get how anyone can hate or detest or loathe a football manager. Especially one who has basically met his targets, yes he’s made lots of mistakes, but he’s got marginally more things right than wrong compared to everyone else.

    He’s not a murderer, a rapist and he wasn’t responsible for the global economic meltdown.

    I always wonder if people who say they hate Wenger have a wall full of pictures of him with all the eyes scratched out

    Big meh from me

  49. Keyser

    Everything the club have done, or Wenger has done, has been to balance risk against their long term objectives, so that we end up in a position where we can truly compete on our own merits, for that reason I can think Wenger might not sign, the new manager doesn’t have to be another Wenger or that forward thinking if we have the sort of backroom or hierarchy say Bayern have in place.

    Of course the premier league is nothing like the Bundesliga and Bayern benefit heavily from it, if Citeh and Chelsea find ways around FFP or other teams start to press like Liverpool or Tottenham, it’s still not going to be easy, but we won’t be half as dependant on Wenger to bail us out.

  50. Keyser

    NM – You concede far too much, just let the inner AKB out, all you can take from half the comments on here is sheer frustration, no-one really cares anymore about being understanding.

    For me that’s Wenger and the club’s biggest criticism, they could’ve/should’ve given the fans enough to get the monkey off our backs, a Carling Cup here or really pushing for an FA Cup, rather than sticking stubbornly to their long term goals.

    I suppose on the flip side, Ozil is a massive statement, and they could still let loose over the next few years, or that in actualy terms 8 years is nothing really, but they’ve let the frustration slowly build up over all those years, without relieving any of it.

  51. Keyser

    @Gambon
    Agreed.

    Lol , this Gambon with a Capital G’s a complete pisstake, either Pedro invested in some autmotaed muppets or it’s someone off untold or something taking the biscuit to make this site look as bad as what some of the numpties out there must think.

  52. Nasri's Mouth

    @Keyser

    Wenger frustrates me, because he’s clearly a clever articulate bloke who isn’t a complete c.unt like Mourinho or Fergie, and if he could just pull his head out of his backside about certain aspects of managing he’d be brilliant for the club

    We live in hope 😉

  53. reality check

    Dan C

    I know all the dates wenger disrespected our legends dont worry bout that mate.
    Moving on….

    I agree with you dont ya see!

    My personal and unique reason for disbelieving in wenger and his ways began when… 2005.

    At that time most of the fan base were fully behind wenger, trusting his decisions.

    I felt more loyalty towards the players. I always felt at the end of the day, it’s the players that get the job done.

    So getting rid of PV in 2005 was enough for me to say “fu*k wenger”

    Then only one year later, he does what he did to Pires, so again I was like “fu*k wenger”

    Then in the UCL FINAL playing his last game, he dis-respected Dennis.
    So again I was like “fu*k wenger”

    In the beginning, I took a unpopular stance. It was risky. Nobody knew what was going to happen.

    But like I say SINCE 2005 year after year the evidnce has been stacking up to justify my position and opinion which is…..

    Fuck wenger

  54. Keyser

    NM – I think people have forgotten what it’s like to play football, Le Grove should have a five-a-side team, and when an obese, unfit, and unseemly person like me is tearing them to shreads while endlessly taking the biscuit they might appreciate the game a bit more and what it’s become on the field of late.

    I think the supposedly ‘leaked’ comments by Mourinho are especially interesting.

  55. Invincibles

    I just don’t think anyone man should be bigger than the club, wether thats a player or a manager. When GG fucked up by thinking he was bigger than the club he got the heave ho. Wenger is answerable to noone and that hasnt been healthy for the club.

  56. reality check

    Nasri’s MouthFebruary 26, 2014    18:26:48

    @Keyser

    Wenger frustrates me, because he’s clearly a clever articulate bloke who isn’t a complete c.unt like Mourinho or Fergie, and if he could just pull his head out of his backside about certain aspects of managing he’d be brilliant for the club We live in hope

    ————–

    Can’t teach an old dog new tricks

    We live in hope.

  57. Nasri's Mouth

    reality check: Then in the UCL FINAL playing his last game, he dis-respected Dennis.
    So again I was like “fu*k wenger”

    He was 38, and we were playing against Barca and besides Bergkamp didn’t seem to have taken any offence.

  58. Josip Skoblar

    Nasri’s mouth
    Agreed. There’s strong evidence that Wenger is a clever and educated guy; more so than your average Premier League manager. The trouble is that he is supremely arrogant and stubborn. That spoils everything to me.

  59. Edwin

    How about the club pushing Wenger up into a Director of Football role – let him have a say in WHO our transfer targets. are. Let him oversee the structure in place at the club ie. first team down to the academy.
    HOWEVER, transfer negotiations be handled by a commitee/team. And Gazidis should appoint a tactically adept manager for the first team to handle matters on the pitch.

  60. TitsMcgee

    Yeah, the Kallstrom thing is just another entry in the enormous case against him, but it’s not the strongest piece against him”

    It’s just another example of what a clusterfcuk he(and in turn we) are in the transfer market.

    Of all the help in all the world he came up with Kim “Brokeback” Kallstrom.

  61. Nasri's Mouth

    @Invincibles

    GG took a bung, an illegal activity. Whether the club wanted to keep him or not, they didn’t really have any choice.

    Wenger has a lot of power at the club, too much in most people’s opinion, but where’s that hurt us? The signing of average players on high wages is the main issue. The last 12 months suggests the club are acting on that.

  62. Keyser

    “The trouble is that he is supremely arrogant and stubborn. That spoils everything to me.”

    You can’t reign supreme in a world with Mourinho.

    I think he believes in certain methods and simply sticks with them because in the end they almost always work.

  63. Edwin

    IMO wenger still has the eye to spot talent. It’s the execution of transfer deals in today’s market that fails him.

    …And the obvious inferior tactical approach against the bigger teams.

  64. Invincibles

    @Nasri’s Mouth
    It hurts us because their is no one to pull him up and say, ” what the fuck you doing, sort it out”. He has no fear of the sack and can do as he pleases.

  65. Nasri's Mouth

    Josip Skoblar: The trouble is that he is supremely arrogant and stubborn.

    That’s hard to avoid at that level of many professions though. Comes with the territory.

  66. Keyser

    “I just don’t think anyone man should be bigger than the club, wether thats a player or a manager.”

    Everything the club’s been doing has been to make the club bigger, it’s not really about Wenger at all, or any manager in particular, if Graham hadn’t let it slip soo much we might’ve started on a new stadium far earlier than we have done, that’s not ego or Wenger being bigger than the club, it’s what the club needed to grow.

  67. Nasri's Mouth

    @Invincibles

    And yet the deadwood has almost disappeared and Bould has come in, so either someone has told him what to do, or he’s changed his stance.

    It’s one or the other.

  68. Keyser

    Josip – The Eto’o comments were supposedly leaked by a french journalist ? Any idea whether it really was unethical on his part or that Mourinho wanted them leaked.

  69. tunnygriffboy

    NM

    I find that you have a balanced view regarding the club you support. You understand what has happened over the years and give Wenger some credit to what has gone on. You also show, and state, that you have some frustrations with what has happened and recognised that without doubt the club and Wenger has made mistakes. You seem to take a balanced view. Keyser is the same.

    However some of the views of other posters are very black and white, slag the club off without looking at any redeeming features. It seems unbalanced to me but with views so intrenched it is difficult to debate. The personal abuse doesn’t help either.

  70. Keyser

    “And yet the deadwood has almost disappeared and Bould has come in, so either someone has told him what to do, or he’s changed his stance.”

    Or he simply doesn’t have to pander to the demands of players with potential.

  71. reality check

    Nasri

    I get it. I do. I just believe even at 38, he definitely could have offered something. It was one game. We were 1 man down. Lets just go for it. Go all out. If we honna lose. We go down swingin. It was one game. Who knows what magic Dennis could’ve conjured up.

    More than..

    Fabregas
    Ljungberg (though I rate him highly)
    Helb

    Ok ok mabey he couldn’t start the game
    Well lets look at the subs

    Flamini (ha!)
    Jose reyes

    You telling me wenger couldn’t have found a role for dennis instead of jose reyes?????

    Im done, just going to read you lots opinions now.

  72. MarbleHall

    Wenger lost it for me when he screwed up the league and Cup in 1999 and selling Petit, Overmars and Anelka..
    Not to mention the listless and tepid display in the 2000 Uefa Cup Final and the
    naive defending in 2001 FA Cup Final.

    Wenger’s flaws have been self-evident during his whole managerial span with Arsenal.

  73. Josip Skoblar

    Keyser
    I don’t believe it was a leak. If you watch the Mourinho interview, you see that he’s surrounded by journalists in a public place. There are cameras and microphones around him. I think Maureen wants his cake and eat it. He wants t badmouth his players and get away with it. As it backfired, he now pretends that he didn’t know that the conservation was recorded.

  74. TitsMcgee

    “Wenger’s flaws have been self-evident during his whole managerial span with Arsenal.”

    I think the funniest thing is the idea that Wenger has us right where he wants us. Like it’s step 8 or 9 out of a 10 step programme to get us back on top.

    He bundles transfer window’s and player contracts(hopefully that has changed) and bottles it versus big clubs most of the time.

    He’s lingering around trying to prove a point. There is and never was any master plan from him. He’s going into seasons winging it.

  75. Nasri's Mouth

    @reality check

    I’d have loved to see Bergkamp play in the CL final, but when I strip away the sentimentality I can see exactly why he didn’t. Had it been 11 vs 11, then maybe.

    In his book he says

    “I was happy with the moment”

  76. Nasri's Mouth

    @Josip Skoblar

    the quotes from canal+ are pretty pointed. They think Mourinho should have been very aware that he was being recorded.

    The softer easy going image that we had in the summer has totally vanished

  77. Keyser

    Josip – It’s just over here if someone in the press had done that it’d be a big deal, I wonder if knew it and made the comments anyway because he’s either unhappy with the options he has up front and wants them to spend big in the summer, or that like he’s done all year he’s just laying another excuse knowing how tight it is at the top.

  78. Nasri's Mouth

    RP: Never rated Mancio though

    According to a DM journo he wants out of the club in the summer and wants to come back to England with Spurs!

  79. Romford Pele

    NM, not surprising really. There’s nothing for him in Turkey; he’ll win the title at a canter.

    He likes big physical teams and Spurs certainly have some big players so it could work.

  80. Nasri's Mouth

    @RP

    I wonder how long he’d survive at Spurs before Levy got fed up with him, or half the squad said they wanted to leave

  81. Romford Pele

    NM, Yeah Mancio’s man management is dreadful. That, and he can’t do without spending big bucks each summer leaves you with a recipe for disaster. Couple that with the frugal Levy and it’ll only end in tears.

  82. MidwestGun

    Draxler looks lively on the break, pacy. But he also looks young, kinda nervous on final pass. Hit a shot from 2yds out right at keeper. You can tell he will be a really good player at some point, tho.

    That said he’s no Di Maria.

  83. Keyser

    I did just watch the first half on 6x but Draxler didn’t really do anything other than the miss from 2 yards out, Schalke have had chances but keep completely fluffing them.