Arsenal: The cost of generosity | Gaps in the squad that need filling | Tiny winger a target

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How’s it going people? You good? You totally pumped? I hope so…

I’m not sure how much news there is today. I feel like the news outlets don’t have much to work with, so they’ve started taking calls from agents looking to push on their clients.

Giovinco, of Juventus notoriety has hit the radar… the 26 year old attacker has been mooted as a possible option to replace Theo in the short term. He’s 5 foot 5, so I can’t imagine he’d be a striking option, but out wide, his ‘low centre of gravity’ could help us. I can’t say I’ve watched him that much over the years. I can tell you he’s played hardly at all this year. It’s a hard gig at Juve at the moment, they’re loaded with attacking talent. Last season, he made 33 appearances, racking up 16 goals and 6 assists.

What I have deciphered from some serious Grimantubing is that he’s a hustler, he’s like a footballing ferret, he’s a tough player for someone so small… obviously he comes with Italian perfection on the technique front and he’s very good with the ball at his feet… he can also go round players from a standing start… something Theo isn’t exactly gifted at doing. I think, from my three minute assessment, he’d fit out style. I’m guessing the lust for leaking his availability to the press is that he’ll want to go to the World Cup. Taking on an talented player with a massive point to prove isn’t the worst idea…

… at least someone could ask Viviano why he keeps crying at training.

It is interesting reading around the web. There’s a certain section of the fanbase that like to justify inaction in the transfer market. One person latches onto a concept or an idea. Asprilla to Newcastle killing their title chase is a favourite being peddled at the moment. Now, I don’t want Arsenal to head into a massive mistake and sign someone with fascist ideals who might upset the tone of the squad. However, what is clear is that the squad is creaking. The idea that we can wing it for another 6 months is fanciful. If we’re suffering fatigue related injuries in December, that won’t let up if we don’t add more players to the mix.

We’ve lost Theo Walcott, we don’t really have a back up for him. Gnabry is a talent, but he’s 18 years old. Chambo is also a talent, but he’s not proved anything at the highest level. He doesn’t have goals in his game as it stands and he doesn’t have the ‘clinical assists’ potion in his locker. That’s not to say it won’t happen, but it’s a gamble.

Up front, Nik B wasn’t the solution despite being fit for the last three months. Now Wenger is saying he is? Now, I have no doubt that Nik B could be as effective as Giroud if he put his mind to it. If Wenger believes that, we have a solution… but if he’s just bluffing, then we’ll have a broken Giroud who is fatigued physically, but worse, mentally as we saw in the West Ham. So tired he couldn’t think.

The squad is creaking, inaction in this window doesn’t mean we can’t win the league… but it opens us up to failure because legs will lack freshness in the second part of the year. City and Chelsea have players in abundance… they’re not suffering the same problems we are at the moment.

We’ll see though. It’s all to play for, it’d just be nice for once if Arsene stocked the squad so he can comfortably compete till the end of the season. An experienced wide player and a striker would greatly help the cause.

It’s also amazing that fans were digging other fans out for backing the Bayern fan gesture. It really does show you that some people argue points, not because of the topic, but because of who is delivering the news (redzone being a prime example of this). It doesn’t matter that Bayern haven’t paid for their stadium. We pay £17m a year for The Emirates and it generates nearly double the revenue of Highbury. We’ve just announced new deals and Ivan has spent the last 2 years telling us Bayern are the benchmark when it comes to football clubs. He says that because they’re a business juggernaut, but not just that, they embody all the values Arsenal want to have as a club…  as well lots of the values we do have.

Now, the club did give fans a voucher for Christmas, and they give us lots of access to information other clubs, like United don’t. However, the one thing that sticks in the throats of fans is the ticket pricing. Now, I don’t care what my ticket costs when I’m getting value like this year. In fact, as much as I bitch, I don’t really care at all because Arsenal is such a massive part of my life and always has been. However, I’m not everyone. I’m fortunate enough not to have kids and all the cost associated with them. I have a London job yahda yahda…

However, we have to accept certain things with Arsenal. We’ll never lower season ticket prices. Too many people want them in the richest City in UK. The best we can hope for is a price freeze.

Back to the Germans. Bayern spent £90,000 reducing the price of their season tickets for 3,000 people. Just say, for arguments sake, Arsenal did something similar.

Say there are 25 away games a year loosely. If Arsenal said, we’ll reduce away tickets by £15 across the board. For an away fan, that’s a £375 saving straight off the bat. Big money. That’d be 38% of the cost of my home season ticket. For 3,000 fans, that’d cost Arsenal £45k a game. Over the season, that would cost £1.1m. The equivalent of a £20k a week player. Like, say, Yaya Sanogo. It’s a pittance in the grand scheme of things, but it’s a big deal to Arsenal fans. It’s rewarding loyalty. It encourages away support. It’d be ground breaking in the UK.

We are the reason the Premier League rights go for so much (well, a big chunk of the reason). Our unwavering support and passion for the game. Why not give something back?

Food for thought. But all this bollocks about Bayern’s generosity being geared around a free stadium is total nonsense. I know some people have a online remit to defend everything Arsenal, but football isn’t a normal business, so sanctioning something like this should be easily doable.

Final bit of today… data and football. Some of you find it boring, some of you don’t believe in it, some of you would like to know more. Here is a great piece about how it’s changing the game. A must read. Remember, Arsenal are playing catch up on this. We have a lot of the capabilities, we just don’t utilise it all in the way other clubs do. This quote from Harry Redknapp at Southampton made me laugh, because it’s exactly the sort of luddite attitude that pervades football.

He was nervous about overloading the players with information.” Southampton lost 3-2. On the team bus, Redknapp turned to Wilson and said, “I’ll tell you what, next week, why don’t we get your computer to play against their computer and see who wins?”

Anyway, that’s your gift for today. Cherish is and make sure you write me a proper thank you note in the comments section.

Have a ripping day, and hey, remember, it’s Friday.. turn to the person sitting next to you, put your hand on their leg, look intensely into their eyes, well up a bit… then turn away and crack on with your e-mails.

Never, ever tell them why you did that.

 

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  1. gambon

    I would say, looking at our transfer business in recent years, its very very very very unlikely we have a list of 3 people for each position.

    We are the least pro-active team in the history of the transfer window.

    Its all last minute scrambles and panic buys.

  2. telarse

    If , and I mean if, we spend £100 million on Costa or Reus or Draxler or Suarez or Benzema or any 2 of them we’ll be a hell of a lot further away from winning the league than we are now i.e. top after 20 games.
    Goes without saying we’ll get who the big boys don’t want unless we go for it now, win the league, and become a big boy!

  3. Al

    SimonJanuary 10, 2014 13:16:40
    ————
    I get that mate.. Not saying we don’t have to beat them or that we can, i am just highlighting that we have to beat however is in front of us.

    Just not into standing for what gambon is on about. Guy always finds a way to have a pop at the club. This is just one of his latest ways.

  4. karim

    bazza

    this tax is only for 2 years and the first million you make is taxed the ” normal way ”

    I ll definitely go out more since we have a sunny Friday in here

  5. GoonPharm

    What you see is what you’re going to get with Chelsea I think. They have a ridiculous amount of talent but the way Maureen wants them to play is not the way the owner wants them to play.

    Maureen has more or less come out and moaned about it a few times this year. If the Rushki leaves him to it then maybe but I doubt it.

    As for City? Imagine if Pellegrini sorts out their defense with a couple of CBs?

    This the best chance we have had to catch up on field and off it (commercially speaking). We have the money. Wenger still has the skills to “Sell the.dream”.

    Potentially exciting times.

  6. bazza

    @gambon
    I think you misunderstood Al – he was extrapolating e.g. If I’ve been married twice before the age of 40 by the time I die, I would have had 17.5 wives.
    Get it?

  7. Simon

    Bazza/Karim

    You might be right. Then we can buy the good bits and ship em over. The Eiffel Tower – would look good next to the london eye. The arch de triomph would be an upgrade on marble arch. And the Pompidou would be a fine extension to Tate modern. Then we could bypass Paris completely as we travel down to British Aquitaine to get to our second homes. I do love France.

  8. Al

    MarbleHallJanuary 10, 2014 13:26:18
    AlThe gap at the top is closer than it should be because of our failure to beat Everton, Man Utd, Man City and Chelsea.
    —————————-

    But you make it sound like we have a right to win those games…..or that those teams you have listed are rubbish teams.

    You have listed 3 teams which are some of the best teams in the World. Those are difficult and sometimes you will lose to those teams because they are elite teams

  9. Simon

    Telarse,

    Violence against nails is a very serious crime and I for one am not going to put up with you hate. Do you now how hard it is to straighten a nail? People say they are ‘hard as nails’ but a nail can only take so much. You bastard.

  10. Leedsgunner

    Simon

    I’m sure the powers that be at the club would like us to think that transfer window deals are VERY MYSTERIOUS AND COMPLICATED and that’s why they make such a hash of it. Nope. at the heart of it, these are commercial and employment contracts, and people all over the world, deal with it every day. The immediate context might be different but at its heart, it is what these are.

    At the heart of it, buying a player is like purchasing house or renting an apartment. You agree a realistic price with the seller/landlord. You agree standard terms plus any additional clauses that apply to the particular situation. The same applies for selling a player. If it doesn’t work out, you move on.

    It really isn’t as complicated as people make it out to be.

  11. N5

    Great comment about Bayern Pedders, I was saying yesterday I felt a little embarrased that they’ve had to do that as we charge so much but the feeling wasn’t really shared. I think Bayern have done a great thing for their fans and the Germans really lead the way with ticket prices and behaviours we all could learn from.

  12. GoonPharm

    Uche –

    What?!?! Who’s on crack???

    Leedsgunner – good answer. Didn’t Wenger boast about his 500 long list of players that are banging his door down to sign for us?

  13. salparadisenyc

    Everton at home and United away were definitely dropped points. The draw with Chelsea was a good result to ‘rite the ship’. 5 points dropped that should not of been.

  14. Romford Pele

    “Everton at home and United away were definitely dropped points. ”

    I agree.

    I said this at the time, especially the Everton one but people were trying to paint them as some sort of Barca-lite.

  15. Radio Raheem

    When competing for the title, the general consensus* is that games between rivals are ‘6-pointers’ or hold greater significance.

    However, in the past year, Arsenal sits top of the league despite poor results against its main rivals. If this trend continues then Arsenal should win the league. This is simple logic. In effect, results in the past year are bucking this long established* trend.

    Yet, the recent form of our league rivals combined with a longer trend of how these rivals have performed against non-title rivals in title winning seasons, suggests that the above summation is unlikely to materialise.

    At this point both propositions are guesses with the latter more probable based on a longer time series analysis.

    *generally accepted but have not seen the facts to back it up

  16. TitsMcgee

    “Up front, Nik B wasn’t the solution despite being fit for the last three months. Now Wenger is saying he is? ”

    That’s pretty typical Wenger isn’t it?

    Textbook Wenger.

    Try and “get by”. Always trying to “get by” rather than putting himself in a better position to succeed.

  17. Simon

    Leeds

    Well. Hmm. I can tell this isn’t your day job!

    Sure just like a house! … But 30 of them that have to work in tandem and made of flesh and blood. And 4 parties not 2. And costing vastly more with massive risk attached and rapid resale. And in a world where several of the ‘landlords’ are trading with competitors. And where the price of the house varies depending on need in a lumpy market mired in disinformation. And where the buyers invest millions of pounds in their own scouting networks and now computer analytics. But other than that just like a house!

  18. Al

    MarbleHallJanuary 10, 2014 13:36:38
    AlAll those teams have lost this season.
    ——————-
    I know . I don’t see your point? (not being rude)

  19. Nasri's Mouth

    Leedsgunner: At the heart of it, buying a player is like purchasing house or renting an apartment

    As someone who has bought some houses in my time, I’d bet there’s a similar difference between buying a £100k house and a player costing 300 times as much as there is between a 10 year old Ford Fiesta and a McClaren F1 car

  20. DUIFG

    City and Chelsea both have very tricky away games. Could be a very important weekend this. A nice cushion going into out horrid fen would be lovely.

  21. salparadisenyc

    Barca – lite… hehe.

    A draw at Goodison is one thing, never should be satisfied with a points share on home turf to them.

  22. Romford Pele

    “A draw at Goodison is one thing, never should be satisfied with a points share on home turf to them.”

    Agreed.

    You should win every home game, irrespective of the opposition.

  23. N5

    “between a 10 year old Ford Fiesta and a McClaren F1 car”

    Some of the guys in my chav town think a Ford Fiesta is a McClaren F1 so technically buying a house is like buying a fiesta….wait, who’s buying what now?

  24. MarbleHall

    Al

    The so called elite teams as you so describe them have all lost games this season except none have been beaten by Arsenal the team thst is supposedly the best team in the country if the table is to be believed.

  25. NamibianGooner

    We should get a striker with a bit of pace just give an extra dimension. Wenger is trying to show faith to Giroud by risking winning the title or risking have a better shout at it. So what will most likely happen is this , Giroud will get injured beginning of April, then our challenge fades and Giroud is not fit to go to the WC, so we very do need an extra body in with a bit of pace

  26. Nasri's Mouth

    @N5

    give me a £100k and I’ll let you have this Ford fies…errr. house. I know it looks like a car, but honestly, it’s really a house.

  27. TitsMcgee

    ““We have no shortage unless we have other big injuries. The transfer market is a distraction and not welcome.“I have enough players everywhere else.”

    He’s a fooking joke.

  28. samsensible

    TMcgee – should he have said “i’m worried that Nik B isn’t good enough and that the squad is going to struggle in the 2nd half of the season so I would really like to get a player or 2 in. Hopefully other clubs won’t raise their prices when they see my desperation”

    ??

  29. Paddywhack

    Has Big Sam been sacked yet. Can’t wait. Remember the years when he roughed Arsenal up when he was at Bolton and laughed about it. Who’s laughing now??

  30. TitsMcgee

    “Just heard from an Arsenal insider that in addition to Theo’s ACL injury, he has some cartilage damage as well, which is often the case with this sort of injury. Recovery time will be at least 6 months, could be 9-12 months.”

    Quite a decent percentage of people that blow out their ACL’s end up blowing out the ACL on the other leg eventually as well.

    ..but after that there is pretty little chance he will blow them out again once they’ve been reconstructed.

  31. N5

    Good point Samsensible, people do often get annoyed with Wengers comments, but nearly every window he buys someone, so the whole lot is just his poker face. We as fans need to understand that everything that comes out of his mouth should be taken with a pinch of salt!

    P. p.p.p.p.p Wenger face, p p p p p p p Wenger face.

  32. samsensible

    Dial – we have played one more away game than City in the first 20 and based upon their dodgy away form City therefore avoided the strong possibility of more dropped points…

  33. TitsMcgee

    TMcgee – should he have said “i’m worried that Nik B isn’t good enough and that the squad is going to struggle in the 2nd half of the season so I would really like to get a player or 2 in. Hopefully other clubs won’t raise their prices when they see my desperation”

    If it was “manager” speak but Wenger has shown time and time again that it’s not just “speak” hasn’t he?

  34. GoonPharm

    Tits – it is a joke. But the signings should have been done last summer window. Especially when we lost Poldi, Chambo and Theo.

    The squad you have in place September is what you stuck with. Very, very rarely January signings have an impact.

    Having said all that, the cunt better sign up some serious talent in the summer though!!!

  35. DUIFG

    Nothing wrong with big Sam, he worked us out in the reebok years. It was our/wengers fault going up there every time playing the same way expecting things to be different.

  36. samsensible

    TMcgee – yeah, when he had relatively little cash to spend and a desire to sign Top class players for bargainous prices (and had little or no chance of doing THAT).

    I don’t take anything he says as gospel be it positive or negative. There is no point. How often do we know about an Arsenal transfer compared to Big Mouths like Chelsea?

  37. TitsMcgee

    “Tits – it is a joke. But the signings should have been done last summer window. Especially when we lost Poldi, Chambo and Theo. The squad you have in place September is what you stuck with. Very, very rarely January signings have an impact.”

    Yes, everyone and their dog knew that Wenger wasn’t going to buy anyone in January after he bungled away the summer incompetently but to come out and act like “oh my squad is fine” when it clearly isn’t and AFTER he desperately tried to ship out the guy he is NOW lauding it just screams of ego-mania.

  38. Nasri's Mouth

    Rooney out for the Swansea game, and might not be back for the Chelsea game. RvP sounds like he’s going to be missing for a while.

    ManU having all sorts of problems

  39. Nasri's Mouth

    @TitsMcgee

    I don’t understand why you’d expect him to say anything different.

    Publicly announcing he doesn’t think we’re strong enough when you have a team that relies on confidence would be crazy.

    Wenger makes mistakes in the transfer market, and he fucked up not buying a striker, but admitting we need one in a press conference is never going to help our squad

  40. TitsMcgee

    “TMcgee – yeah, when he had relatively little cash to spend and a desire to sign Top class players for bargainous prices (and had little or no chance of doing THAT).”

    Bullsh*it as has been proven time and time again.

    But continue to make excuses for him and support the man rather than the club.

  41. samsensible

    Guys i’m raising money for a new Charity I have set up. It’s for the Little Boy inside RvP. His name is Oliver van Twist and he is proper hard-done-by.

  42. Leedsgunner

    samsensible @1338

    Are you trying to set me up? 😉

    I don’t know, Wenger always likes to make life SO difficult for the club (whilst taking home his handsome wage packet… no difficulty doing that.)

    I would think of the players we have been linked to the following are realistically achievable this transfer window.

    Michy – Belgian leading scorer, I would point to the success of Benteke and Lukaku and challenge him to prove his worth too especially in a WC year. Obviously TV5 as one time Belgian captain would be useful too in the discussion. I think he’s valued in transfermarkt under £5m surprisingly!

    I might even put in a cheeky bid for Benteke if he’s not injured — Aston Villa are a poor side and he’s not been given the service he needs to succeed. He’s miles off where he was and might be suffering from second season syndrome but with a proper midfield behind I could see him flourish again and re-ignite his career.

    Aston Villa might be desperate for the cash, and might cash in on a player who’s a shadow of himself so they can strengthen in other areas. I would £15m in cold hard cash, plus Bendtner would make them think.

    Failing those two I would look at Adrian Ramos at Hertha Berlin (listed at £4m) but who’s scored 11 goes in the Budesliga, Finnbogason at Heerenveen who is lighting up the Eredivisie… who’s listed £6m (which seems low to me.)

    Who do you think we’ll sign?

  43. Romford Pele

    Benfica have apparently bid for Morata. Personally I see him staying there until the end of the season as Benzema could easily get injured. Now Ronaldo/Jese could easily replace him but it’s not ideal obviously.

    I liked Morata, saw a lot of him at the U21 European Championship last summer and he’s very mobile despite his height. Reminds me a lot of Morientes, just slightly quicker. I don’t think he’ll get his chance at Madrid though, especially if Real are still in the hunt for a striker in the summer. A move to a decent CL club would be good for him. If he does well, Madrid will probably buy him back being the idiots they are.

  44. samsensible

    TMcGee – let me guess….i’m an AKB…

    Calm down love. If you keep reacting to Wenger’s every utterance you will be a miserable miserable man.

  45. Romford Pele

    I have to admit that the orphan Nasri has been very impressive this year. Pellegrini is very Wenger-like in his approach though so it’s not a shock to see him playing good football again.

  46. TitsMcgee

    “I don’t understand why you’d expect him to say anything different.”

    Coming out and saying that we need a striker is going to disrupt the “confidence” of the team? They are professional footballers making oodles of cash weekly and we’re worried about bringing in players because it might “affect” their confidence?

    We’ll see if you feel that way IF we lose the title by 3-4 points.

    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. If Wenger can’t win the league this season he’ll NEVER win it again.

  47. Romford Pele

    Lol what, Xavi could be off to NY Red Bulls (Apparently Henry convinced him) or Toronto FC. Barca should just keep him as a squad player!

  48. Nasri's Mouth

    @DUIFG

    Whatever the squad thinks, if Wenger comes out and publicly says Giroud isn’t good enough, and the papers put their spin on it, is that going to make Giroud’s confidence better or worse?

    Footballers, esp. strikers live in a confidence based world and one that has the full backing of their manager is going to be a better player than one who is slated by them

  49. Carts

    Generally speaking, blowing out the same knee soon after the initial blow-out stems from inadequate rehab.

    I remember when Ruud Van Needledick blew his knee out just before he was supposed to sign for Utd…don’t think his knee bothered him again after that

  50. TitsMcgee

    “I have to admit that the orphan Nasri has been very impressive this year. Pellegrini is very Wenger-like in his approach though so it’s not a shock to see him playing good football again.”

    He’s Wenger without the financial principles.

  51. samsensible

    All these people saying that to not win the title would constitute some kind of failure on Wenger’s part…

    were you saying that in August as you said our squad is terrible and would finish behind Spurs?

    Thought not.

    Us Winning the title would be one of the biggest shocks in decades.

  52. Norfolk

    Nasri’s Mouth

    “……….Obviously Arsenal would pay him the money, but it then counts as income, and he’d have to pay tax on it…”

    Not strictly true.
    There are many ways to receive money without it being classed as income.
    Offshore pension funds being one.

  53. Nasri's Mouth

    @TitsMcgee

    I think you’re getting confused. I’m not saying we’re strong enough without a better striker. I’m saying that when Wenger is sitting up there in front of the media, (who incidentally love a headline) he SHOULD be publicly backing his players, because criticising them isn’t going to help them or the team.

    So it’s nothing to do with making excuses for him, just you not understanding

  54. Leedsgunner

    Simon

    The scale of money that’s involved are different to be sure (and obviously that brings in additional complexities).

    But I’m talking about the basic principles behind the transfer. A transfer is essentially a willing seller selling to a willing buyer.

    If you want to think it’s more complicated than that… go ahead. Knock yourself out.

    Arsenal FC doesn’t help itself by submitting ill judged offers (£40m + 1 anyone?) plus making silly statements in the press like “We have no shortages…” It just weakens your bargaining position in eyes of players and our competitors.

  55. salparadisenyc

    Wenger been using the same quotes regarding the January window for so long I feel like I created them. Yet has brought in AA23, Adebayor, Walcott, Diaby, Reyes and others in January to fortify. I’d be surprised if 1 potentially 2 players did not come through the door in the next couple weeks.

  56. Sam

    You bored us since summer with Suarez
    Now the window is opened I dont see his name anymore
    You now moved to different players

    #TROLLS

  57. DUIFG

    Agree tits the amount of flux in the league this year makes it vital that we do the best w can in the market now to try and win it. Everybody else strengthens next year.

    We are near our ceiling bar the obvious atrocious St we currently have.

  58. DUIFG

    Nasri he would not need to slate giroud, he could just say we need numbers up top, which we do. Giroud is at a top tier club and he has no competition. Even he knows that’s wrong. If u can’t handle being competed with get out.

  59. Nasri's Mouth

    @Norfolk

    As I said to Gambon I’m not an expert on Portuguese income tax rules, but I’d imagine that Martinez was able to write a cheque for £32m, they’d take a very good look at it. I’m not quite sure how us paying it into an offshore pension fund would help that.

  60. Dream10

    RomfordPele

    Nasri in his best form since he came to England. think we relied on him as too much of a goal threat at Arsenal in the Fabregas dominated attack. Thoughts?

  61. Nasri's Mouth

    DUIFG: We are near our ceiling bar the obvious atrocious St we currently have.

    Why are we near our ceiling ? I don’t get the logic. A top striker, Draxler, a DM like Bender, more experience for players like Ramsey, Wilshere, Ozil.

  62. Josip Skoblar

    salparadisenyc
    Excellent point, mate! It’s a myth to say that Wenger never buys in the January window. He does, and he bought in the past several qualidee players as you recall.

  63. TitsMcgee

    “All these people saying that to not win the title would constitute some kind of failure on Wenger’s part…”

    Not winning the title is a MASSIVE failure in any season especially one where IF we weren’t playing Nik B as second choice we actually might win it.

    The notion that “oh did we see ourselves in this position before the season started” is a flawed one. Moral victories do go up in the trophy cabinet.

    Just because I didn’t see myself winning the lottery doesn’t mean I don’t want to win it.

    It always highlights how one or two more purchases might have gotten us over the hump.

    This “next year” mentality is a flawed one because every year we hear the same excuses with regards to the summer TW and the winter TW. It’s been 9 years now when is next year going to be this year?

    It will always be “next year + x” with Wenger.

  64. Romford Pele

    “Nasri in his best form since he came to England. think we relied on him as too much of a goal threat at Arsenal in the Fabregas dominated attack. Thoughts?”

    Dream, I used to really like Nasri when he was here although that obviously changed when he left and slated us. Talent-wise I think he’s great. Me and my mate were comparing him and Santi yesterday, didn’t come to a definitive conclusion though. I think if Santi had the pace that Nasri had, it’d tip it in his favour. Nasri has always been pretty inconsistent. Capable of something outrageous one minute, then hiding in his shell the next minute. Don’t normally agree with Mancini but he was right in saying that Nasri doesn’t produce it anywhere near as much for someone of his talent. I think he’s 26 now so really needs to start showing regularly. There are signs that he is doing that.

  65. gambon

    I think people are using the whole “buy out clause/potential taxation” issue as yet another excuse for why we dont sign players.

    Funny how this issue has never come up before, ever, and yet now we are led to believe all players with buy-out clauses are not buyable.

  66. Sam

    Morata’s still a work in progress n he’s been getting his minutes on the pitch, why would he move?

    Arsenal also have been loaning out the same type of players.
    Why not just recall your own loanees?

  67. Romford Pele

    Wolfsburg buy KDB from Chelsea for 22m euros. They obviously have big financial power; shelled out a lot for Gustavo in the summer too. They have an awesome LB called Rodriguez who’s interesting Chelsea. Gonna start paying more attention to them.

  68. gambon

    “Arsenal also have been loaning out the same type of players.
    Why not just recall your own loanees?”

    We dont have any young players at Moratas level.

    Akpom, Campbell arent even close.

  69. Kjafc

    Tits
    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. If Wenger can’t win the league this season he’ll NEVER win it again.
    ___________
    Mate, every post you ever make is a moan about something. You make gambon look like he has overdosed on Happy Pills 🙂

    Well yesterday everybody was saying how Man City were so good and had so many good players they were going to walk the league. Some couldn’t see them dropping hardly any points. Obviously you have different expectations and rate our squad more highly than Man city’s, why else would you make that prediction?

    This is the sort of hypocritical bollocks that drives me nuts on here. For some of you, it is just one long effort to discredit and dig up as much negativity about Wenger as possible. Surely if we don’t win anything it’s Stevie Boulds fault? After all, isn’t it Bould who has been getting the credit for the last 12 months? Isn’t it Bould that is solely responsible for us defending as a team? Perhaps the ‘control freak ‘ Wenger is also letting Bould pick the team?

    I don’t mind you Wenger out guys making a fair argument and there is one to be honest but the way you go out of your way to be so one sided and so disingenuous is untrue. It’s like some of these political activist types. Get that big fat chip off your shoulder and stop making ridiculous comments.

  70. DUIFG

    My ceiling comment is based on a mid that includes Ramsey scoring every week, and having ye best 10 in world football.

    I’m sorry but wenger has never put money into getting decent DM’s I would be suprised if this improves. Wally was one of the top scoring mids last year. Santi was top 5 players of pl last year. He has wilshere as reserve rosicky on the form of his life.
    Defence partnership is as strong as you can get.

    This is wenger we are talking about he will always leave holes. This is as close to covered off as we are going to get

  71. Romford Pele

    Madrid had to streamline their squad after spending the best part of 150m on Bale, Illaramendi and Isco. It wasn’t a surprise to see Higuain, Carvalho,Albiol, Ozil etc all go.

  72. Leedsgunner

    RP

    I think Ozil started his career there, at Wolfburg too if I recall correctly. Their left back is amazing… fantastic consistent performer.

  73. gambon

    Romford

    No contest, Gibbs overall.

    English team needs an English core. Think overall they are similar level, but i’d always go for an English player if there are 2 similar level players.

    Quite like Monreal in tough away games (Spurs last season aside) cos hes more compact than Gibbs, leaves less room in behind.

  74. Romford Pele

    DUIFG,

    It’s still very hard to say that we’ve reached our ceiling though. Just as our rivals will improve, I think we will also. Just from one season of not selling anyone key, you’ve seen an improvement. A top striker, like you say, can improve Arsenal a lot further. DM, let’s hope Wenger thinks we need one though like you i’m not so sure he does. But we’re top without really seeing the best of a lot of players.

  75. gambon

    I think City have played “within themselves” the most of the top 4.

    Which is why i think they are big favourites for the PL.

  76. DUIFG

    RP that’s what I am worried about, we have had a static squad outflow wise. Will that continue into the future? It’s an arms race, there will never be. A point of nirvana where we go now we are ready to win the title as the competition bar goes up and up.

    You have to take your chances, this year being one of them.

  77. Willie

    Mood dampener of mood dampeners! When you read about the club’s history, you pity some of the lean years we’ve been through. In the future, someone will read about the last decade and feel sad! We’ve gone ten fecking years without winning the league, and 8 without any trophy, like y’all know. Now, picture this, over 60% of Fergie’s impressive collection were “micky mouse” trophies (not EPL or CL), which we’ve sort of frowned upon in our invention of the 4th place trophy.
    Why would we want to be in the top four? Is it not so as to always play in the CL, which will give as funds and attract for good players, WHICH SHOULD THEN ENABLE US WIN TROPHIES!!! Shouldn’t the end game always be success? We’ve been conned big time, but oh well.

  78. Romford Pele

    “English team needs an English core. Think overall they are similar level, but i’d always go for an English player if there are 2 similar level players.

    Quite like Monreal in tough away games (Spurs last season aside) cos hes more compact than Gibbs, leaves less room in behind.”

    That’s fair. I just wanna hear everyone’s reasoning behind choosing who they choose.

    I get the English point though and it’s something I second. England don’t produce a lot of players so you kind of want to prioritise every good one that does make.

    My two pence; Gibbs is quicker,taller, better in one-on-one duels and more slightly more athletic than Monreal. That said, Monreal IMO is the better footballer (not a surprise really), more intelligent in the final third and a better defender all-round. Like you say, not a lot between them. Interestingly, I like Monreal at home more because I trust him to make the better decision in the final third. All down to personal opinion though.

  79. gambon

    Leeds

    Yeah, Dzeko was part of a very good Wolfsburg team with Misimovic, Gentner and Grafite.

    Outplayed UTD at Old Trafford in the CL.

  80. Nasri's Mouth

    DUIFG: My ceiling comment is based on a mid that includes Ramsey scoring every week, and having ye best 10 in world football.

    Ramsey’s scoring record is probably a bit of a fluke, but it’s a fluke based partly on him pushing forward when we’ve been playing without Podolski and Walcott, who were our 2 top scorers from last season.

    And the best 10 in world football will be better next season.

    And Wilshere will be better next season.

    I believe 100% that we can be better next season and the season after that.

  81. Leedsgunner

    Gibbs is better mobility wise but in tight situations when we need to protect a lead, I think Monreal edges it with his superior technical ability, cool head and concentration. Like you say Romford — not much in it. Glad both of them are here — good to see genuine competition for once. A good signing from Wenger… shame he wasn’t bought earlier so we didn’t have to witness Santos.

  82. Romford Pele

    “we have had a static squad outflow wise. Will that continue into the future?”

    But do you want players to be leaving if they can make a contribution? Continuity plays a big part for me. For the first time in ages, there’s a stable squad and you don’t want to upset that balance. Now you want to add the extra quality in key areas (ST, DM, RB if Sagna leaves) but at least there’s a good basis to build from. You can improve both internally and externally.

  83. Kjafc

    gambon
    I agree with your comments regarding Man City. I said before, with the team they have, they should not have been dropping the points they’ve been prone to. Look at the money they have spent and the squad they have built, they have virtually two Premier League teams, so competing on all fronts shouldn’t be a problem. I feel this is their Achilles heel, the inability to be consistent. Lets face it, they should be rolling over teams like Stoke, Sunderland, Cardiff and villa. Their home form is incredible but away is very sketchy. Is it complacency or lack of focus, I don’t know but it was the same last year.

  84. DUIFG

    I mean in terms of players being poached not shown the door by us. Hopefully the ozil signing will have warned some off that off although there is always an element I little boys wanting to go home which you can’t control.

    In all fairness a lot of these players require a better st to really come out of their shells so we will know more when we get a benzema type in there.

  85. Barton

    Just because I didn’t see myself winning the lottery doesn’t mean I don’t want to win it.

    So what your saying is, you’ll happily spend half of your life savings on buying lottery tickets? No?

    I think that what Jackson Martinez represents, a huge gamble.

    As much as I’d like us to sign a top quality player now, I’ll take it in summer if it means in the long term its a better option.

    Incidentally, does signing a player like Martinez reduce the quality gap enough to City to give us a hugely improved chance of winning the league, for me its £32m + wages (and any tax) wasted.

    I’d sooner we invested £40m+ in the summer on an Aguero/Tevez/Suarez type player then take any gamble on winning the league at the detriment to the long term job that’s already under way mainly because I don’t expect us to win the league additions or not.

  86. TitsMcgee

    I’m saying that when Wenger is sitting up there in front of the media, (who incidentally love a headline) he SHOULD be publicly backing his players, because criticising them isn’t going to help them or the team.”

    ….So trying desperately to ship off Bendtner didn’t damage his confidence then?

    Gotcha.

  87. gambon

    Dream10

    I did a few years back, but hes missed a lot of football.

    I think if we are looking for a Sagna replacement it will be someone like Serge Aurier or Oliver Sorg.

  88. Simon

    Kjafc

    That was true early on in the season but if you look at their form the last 8 games they are not losing away or even drawing anymore. They have the best record over the last 8 games in the league, followed by Chelsea then us.

  89. Romford Pele

    “It sounds as though Costa doesn’t want to leave A.M. this window, so we can strike him off the list”

    Not surprising really

  90. salparadisenyc

    Big game for Costa this weekend, Athletico vs Barca.
    Tied on points, top of table. The way Messi subbed in this week and scored twice, you’d have to favor them, would love to see it go the other way.

  91. Romford Pele

    “Serge Aurier”

    Lol this dude is in love with Arsenal. We’re all he ever tweets about. Nice to see someone so desperate to join us though.

  92. Romford Pele

    “I mean in terms of players being poached not shown the door by us.”

    I’d be very surprised to see that happen, especially with the amount of money we’re now receiving.

  93. gambon

    Romford

    After our last Ivorian right back you’ll forgive me if I dont want him.

    I’ll probably be labelled a racist now, but i do like Sorg a lot more than Aurier.

  94. Romford Pele

    Yeah i’d love to see Atletico beat Barca this weekend – they have a great chance. Messi has come back at the wrong time for them though, looked very fresh the other night.

  95. Nasri's Mouth

    TitsMcgee: ….So trying desperately to ship off Bendtner didn’t damage his confidence then?

    Bendtner was agitating for a move more than we were.

    So sorry, but no gotcha.

  96. Kjafc

    Nasris Mouth: I believe 100% that we can be better next season and the season after that.
    _______________
    We are no longer a selling club so there is no pressure on us to sell our best players. This builds stability, no coincidence our consistency levels have improved. We all know we can compete financially with virtually anyone now we have moved stadium and have the new sponsorship deals kicking in. Times have changed. We are now an attractive club for players and others clubs to court and have the financial muscle to compete for the best players.

    Harping back to what happened in the past and using that as ‘proof’ of the way we will continue into the future, is naive to say the least.

    I said it before, I am excited about the future and I believe we are all about to see Arsenal become a dominant force. We should all be looking forward not back.

  97. gambon

    I dont think we will lose any players that we dont want to this summer.

    take Ozil out of the equation and we dont have any players that are “too good ” for Arsenal.

    If anything we will spend the summer trying to bring in another player thats “too good” for us.

  98. TitsMcgee

    Well yesterday everybody was saying how Man City were so good and had so many good players they were going to walk the league. Some couldn’t see them dropping hardly any points. Obviously you have different expectations and rate our squad more highly than Man city’s, why else would you make that prediction?”

    Quite frankly I don’t give two shiiits about my “moaning” bothering you.

    That’s first thing lol

    Secondly City has just a good a chance of winning the league as us. If we’re honest with ourself. Maybe even better but that doesn’t mean we sit back and say “fcuk it we’ll wait till next year” to strengthen.

    Then when summer comes we hear excuses and drag our feet to try and do last day deals(striking out in the process) then you folk come on here talking about “we’ll do deals in Winter”(knowing full well nothing of the sort will transpire) then spout off about:

    “We’re top of the league why do you want another striker”

    “2nd place would be an accomplishment because nobody saw us finishing in 2nd before the season started and 2nd is good result for our net-spend.”

    “we’ll strengthen in summer”

    Sorry “mate”. You want to live in the now? Great.

    I’m just projecting what the excuses will be come end of season.

  99. Romford Pele

    “You follow big Serge on twitter?”

    Serge Aurier? No mate but it’s hard to avoid his Arsenal wankfest lol

  100. TitsMcgee

    “Bendtner was agitating for a move more than we were.”

    LOL

    Bendtner wasn’t going anywhere because he refused to take a pay-cut.

    We couldn’t give him away.

  101. gambon

    This summer will be the last piece of the “deadwood” jigsaw.

    We did quite well last summer, but theres more to get rid of.

    Fabianski
    Djourou
    Frimpong
    Coquelin
    Diaby
    Miyaichi
    Park

    And a number of kids like Boateng, Yennaris, Afobe, Aneke.

    Add a couple of marquee players and that will be some transformation over a 12 month period.

  102. gambon

    You wont find a non-Arsenal fan anywhere in the world that would disagree that Januzaj is better than Gnabry.

    Take them kiddy fiddling specs off Sam.

    Youre like the Ian Watkins of Le Grove.

  103. Kjafc

    Tits
    Quite frankly I don’t give two shiiits about my “moaning” bothering you.That’s first thing lol

    Secondly City has just a good a chance of winning the league as us. If we’re honest with ourself. Maybe even better but that doesn’t mean we sit back and say “fcuk it we’ll wait till next year” to strengthen.
    ______
    Mate,
    Your moaning doesn’t bother me, I just find some of the things you find to moan about baffling. Your statement that if we don’t win it this year we never will, was a bit over the top.

    I also found you ‘Gotcha’ statement to Nasris Mouth a bit pathetic, this isn’t the school playground.

    So who do you think we can buy now that will win us the title? You tell me who is available and who Wenger should sign in January,.

  104. salparadisenyc

    Sam

    Have you seen Morata play?

    Subbed in for Benzema last night, in the 12 odd minutes he was on put Ronaldo through on goal which he uncharacteristically missed, unleashed from 20 yards which forced a very nice save. Great movement. Kids a player, without doubt.

  105. Sam

    Anyone that doesnt play for arsenal is better than arsenal players
    This is how the idiot tries hard to force wenger to buy

    Arsenal don’t need morata on loan
    We could gamble if Madrid are selling him

  106. Kjafc

    Gambon
    You wont find a non-Arsenal fan anywhere in the world that would disagree that Januzaj is better than Gnabry.
    _______
    Yes, better at diving! Three bookings already this season for falling over when nobody is near him.

  107. Barton

    gambonJanuary 10, 2014 15:22:36
    This summer will be the last piece of the “deadwood” jigsaw.We did quite well last summer, but theres more to get rid of.Fabianski
    Djourou
    Frimpong
    Coquelin
    Diaby
    Miyaichi
    Park

    And a number of kids like Boateng, Yennaris, Afobe, Aneke.Add a couple of marquee players and that will be some transformation over a 12 month period.

    Wow, I actually agree with you on this 100%, didn’t see that coming.

    Fair play

  108. Kjafc

    Sorry, I almost forgot…

    Friday Joke
    This Guy goes on a trip to the USA but complains because he has been sat next to a dog on the plane. He hates dogs. The guy in the next seat tells him to pipe down, as it’s his dog and he is an undercover drug agent. The dog is named Ibra after the famous footballer, on account of the fact that he has a special nose! He explains that the dog is the finest sniffer dog in the world and has won numerous awards for drug detection. During the flight the dog walks up the aisles and comes panting back to his seat, tail wagging. He Taps the officer on the arm six times with his paw and quietly whimpers into his ear. The guy can’t believe this, so he asks what was going on. The drugs officer explains that Ibra has just told him there is a Man sitting six rows in front with drugs hidden in the heels of his boots. The guy is amazed. Half hour later the dog again walks around the plane and jogs back, jumps in his seat, taps his paw on the officers arm eight times and whimpers into his ear. This time he tells him that a lady eight rows behind, wearing a blue top, has heroine hidden inside her hand luggage and also under her hat. The guy is really impressed and enjoying his flight with a great story to tell to his mates. The dog again does his rounds and then out of the blue comes sprinting back before leaping over two rows of seats to jumps onto the lap of the drugs officer, where he places his paws over his eyes and loosens his bowels all over the officer. The guy looks at the drug officer to find out what that means but before he can the drugs officer puts his arms into the air and screams at the top of his voice “”….there’s a fucking bomb on board”