Sanogo leaks Berba deal? | Huge talent linked | Morata Arsenal link still hot…

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Soooooooo much news to hit you with today!

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So Yaya Sanogo, famous for declaring he was going to become a postman before Wenger gambled on him dropped a Berbatov shaped social media gaff yesterday via Facebook. He has a management company looking after his profile, the same company that look after Dimitar, they added a video with Arsenal specific creative… so it had been briefed from somewhere.

Needless to say, it was quickly yanked from sight… but as you know, a mistake is never lost on Social Media. Keen screen grabbers captured the ITK moment and shared it round the web. Could this be the impact Sanogo was looking for? Like Tom Daley coming out… has Yaya PRd his return with a salacious rumour?

Who knows. The fact Yaya has rejoined the camp after signing a deal and fucking off the France for 4 months is nice (great buy eh?). Cut from the same moth eaten cloth as Diaby. He says he can contribute, so does Arsene. I seriously hope he’s joking. If we don’t land anyone, Bendtner should be getting a chance, not some untested 18 yr old with delivery ambitions.

Nik B is lambasted by the press and often us, the fans, because of the comments he’s made in the past. But look at it rationally. He has a touch equal to Giroud, he’s faster and he can score when he’s given a run. Why not give him a go? Didn’t he bag 10 in 12 a few seasons back? It really has made little sense that we’ve blitzed Giroud when we have a perfectly capable striker sitting on the bench. He’s a Danish international starter and he’s totally written off as even a cameo appearance maker. All because we don’t like his comments in the press! Wenger gave him a carrot…

‘I told him already today that he is back to the level I want him to be at, and if he continues to develop like that he will come back into the team.’

Nik B’s best chance of getting a move to a great club is to stay with us. If he turns it around, he could be a good player for us. If it’s finally clicked for him what he has to do, why not give him a chance?

Wenger said Ozil came through a fitness test yesterday, so you never know for Saturday. Other players suffering knocks might make miraculous recoveries. My bet is that they all want to be a part of the game at the weekend. I know Adebayor will want to be ready. The odious sh*t.

The good news is Spurs are suffering mad issues as well. 7 players are out, the squad has played out of it’s skin for the new manager… so we’ll both be on an equal footing. Whilst we have had a favourable fixture list, the way games have fallen hasn’t suited us for large parts. The amount of times we have a nightmare game at the end of a pocket of games is ridiculous. We’ve had United, City and now Spurs after long runs. What are the chances of drawing the only team you simply have to go all guns blazing for?

Well, that’s what the plan is likely to be. There’s some exciting news emanating from the Telegraph. They reckon Gedion Zelalem will be drafted into the squad. Whether he gets the nod will depend on the health of Ozil and Santi I’d guess. What we’re going to do up front is a mystery. If Giroud is a doubt, he should be rested totally in my opinion. I doubt we’d see Theo or Akpom playing that central role, so the likelihood is that pending a John Terry like recovery, we’ll see Lukas there. However, nothing is set in stone. So we’ll see!

Back to the Berbatov rumour. Now, I’ve no inside line on anything we’re up to. What I will say is that paying £2m for a player who can leave for a free in 6 months would be very unArsenal. He’s a top talent though and Arsene has shown a more ruthless streak of late. Like a more high profile Bendtner, he gets a lot of grief for actually being a very good player. Sure, he loves a fag and he looks lazy… but he scores goals. Lots of them. he managed 15 for a crap Fulham side last year. He’s tall, he can hold the ball up, he can score from inside or outside the box. He’s clinical and he’s a proven winner. It’d also be amusing for the fans up the road. Is he a signing of intent? No. But if there aren’t any options of intent out there, then he’d be a good start. As someone pointed out yesterday, anything we buy from outside the league is a risk.

Apparently, the rumours around Morata are still pretty hot. The young Spaniard has caused a lot of transfer rumour smoke for months. He’d make sense. Technical, fast and mobile. He has a lot of the ingredients we don’t have up top at the moment. But he’s very inexperienced and he’d be a gamble.

Lots of the papers are running with Diego Costa to Arsenal for £32m. Now, A.Mardrid are a team who just sold their previous free scoring striker for £55m. This is a team joint top of La Liga and in the  last 32 of the Champions League. Why would they sell? That £390m debt isn’t going anywhere. They could argue to the banks (if they’re even knocking on the door) that they’d get more in the summer. So for me, this one is a no go. If we’re bidding, it’s PR to show we had a go. Which is fair enough. It also shows that whoever we bring in is the stop gap for the major summer move.

I haven’t read too much into it, but according to my Uncle, who lives in Spain (how Eastend does that sound?), Madrid are under investigation for tax evasion on a massive scale. It’s being led by the European Commission, so there’s a chance they could be in big trouble. Quite incredible, that in a country so broke. that a football club could be given privilges. Anyway, read more here.

*Costa has a release clause. Again, I’d be surprised if a player moved mid-season during a world cup year.

451 Responses to “Sanogo leaks Berba deal? | Huge talent linked | Morata Arsenal link still hot…”

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  1. Romford Pele

    Agree with Paulinho again – Gerrard’s been on his last legs for a while. Despite Henderson not being as talented as Gerrard,he brings so much more to this liverpool team purely on energy and work rate alone.

  2. Keyser

    Paulinho – You’re confusing the two teams, they aren’t the same and it’s not to say Mourinho wouldn’t have stuck with Gerrard at Tottenham anyway, Allen isn’t imposing at either end.

    Lampard’s in a similar position except he has Essien, Remieres and Mikel, he has players like Willian to call on.

    He simply has greater options at Chelsea, and not the free-thought to find ways to accomodate Mata, you could argue he simply trusts Lampard more, that this could also be because of his reputation with the Chelsea fans.

  3. Paulinho

    Romford – Yep.

    The reason we find Liverpool so easy to play against at the Emirates is that the likes of Suarez and Henderson are pressing high up, but on the other extreme Gerrard is on his zimmer frame in front of our box. So there’s this massive disconnect in their midfield, which gives loads of time and space to the likes of Cazorla and Wilshere to actually turn around and face the play. They probably can’t believe their luck, easiest game of the season for those two.

  4. Vinny Freeman

    Hi,

    Dublin calling………..

    Weird,bold and outrageous question to ask you all?

    I am living in Dublin and on occasion get the chance to come see Arsenal. We were due to leave for London tomorrow to see the Sp*rs game, but we have got let down with our tickets!
    I was wondering if anyone had any ideas how I could get a couple tickets(without having to pay crazy money on the exchange). Would be forever grateful :))

    Thanks very much

    Vinny

  5. Romford Pele

    Paulinho, I agree.

    Rodgers needs to show some balls and drop Stevie to the bench but there’s likely to be an uproar from the Kop. Obviously it’s hard because he’s a legend for them but you need to be thinking of what’s best for the team in the long haul.

    Liverpool left massive gaps on the pitch when we played them. But Rodgers is quite like Wenger in that he likes to play expansive and we obviously had the better players to take advantage of that. We’ll have no such luck against Bayern. Be interested to see if they press as hard as Dortmund did.

  6. Paulinho

    Keyser – He’s dropped England’s ‘best ever left back’ for a unexceptional spanish full back, so he I don’t think he would think twice with Gerrard.

    Allen is not big but he can zip around the pitch and has got stamina. Seriously mate, I was being serious when I said look beyond the superficial. Iniesta and Xavi physically imposing? Nope, didn’t stop them pressing teams into oblivion.

    Lampard was always more tactically aware than Gerrard. The tubster always seemed to read what Fabregas was trying to do, maybe why those two always seemed to clash.

  7. Romford Pele

    Wilshere would be great against Bayern in terms of negating the pressing through the lines but there really isn’t an ideal partner for him in the current Arsenal set-up. Despite Song’s limitations when he was here, you could see that him and JW worked well as a pivot.

  8. Bamford13

    Chopper

    That’s what I proposed yesterday. Not that Wenger would ever do it, but out of necessity we could run a 4-4-2 with Theo and Lukas up top. Lukas could show to the ball, hold up, while Theo could make runs in behind. Combined, they’d make a decent striker.

    To help Wenger or other skeptics swallow the proposal you can call it a 4-4-1-1, with Walcott the withdrawn striker. 4-4-2 is now passe to these sophisticates.

    Something like–

    ______________Shez________________
    Sag_______Mer______Kos______Mon
    ______________Arteta______________
    Gnabry__________Jack__________Caz
    ___________Theo___________________
    __________________Podolski_________

  9. gazzap

    Jose wants to sell Mata now to a foreign club rather than risk Mata running his contract down and joining a top English club rival. why on earth he doesn’t rate him is anyone’s guess. Maybe he covers 5% less ground than oscar over 90 mins or something daft.

    I wish people would stop praising Bendy like he is the second coming. He is a very average striker who is not good enough to lead the line for arsenal. if he is at the club he should be 3rd choice.

    Looks like tomorrow we will have Podolski up front. I can’t see that working well, so fingers crossed we get a goal from somewhere and the game opens up as it may suit him more.

  10. Paulinho

    Romford – It’s similar a little bit to Vieira back in his final days. He lost his legs near the end but because he was 6ft 3 and so imposing, they couldn’t see it.

    I know we finished 4th in the league the year after but in Europe you could see how our new midfield functioned much better without him. Fabregas, Hleb, Ljungberg all on the same song sheet without a past it Vieira clogging things up.

    I bet Allen, Henderson, Lucas are loving it in there without Gerrard restricting them.

  11. Romford Pele

    “Maybe he covers 5% less ground than oscar over 90 mins or something daft.”

    To be fair, I prefer Oscar to Mata but I realise i’m probably in a minority. Thought the way Chelsea lined up against Liverpool was great tbh.

  12. Romford Pele

    Bloody hell Zelalem’s young. Would become the first player to play for Arsenal born after Wenger took over if he’s involved tomorrow.

  13. Keyser

    Paulinho – Both Terry and Lampard are back in the side, over Cole ? They both have far greater reputations. It doesn’t matter what he especially thinks of Gerrard it’s the options he has at his disposal.

    You’re ignoring the differing styles of both Rodgers and Mourinho to begin with.

    Also you’re making assumptions about what I mean by ‘imposing’ Allen has been found wanting at both ends, he can keep it ticking over but can’t really affect the game at either end, he’s struggled in front of goal.

    Not to mention that Rodgers started with both Suarez and Sturridge against us, played a back 3 with Flanagan and Cissokho as wing-backs, look at the difference Coutinho made.

    He had a back 4 against Liverpool, with Johnson aswell, and started with Sterling and Coutinho wide, obviously no Sturridge.

    Lampard had Essien next to him or Ballack, they clashed because with players like that around him he didn’t have to worry about defensive duties as much and could concentrate on disrupting our play as far up the field as he wanted.

  14. chopper4001

    Bamford, the other plus is that its the same formation spurs are likely to set up with (Ade and Soldado up front), so it doesn’t leave us a body light in midfield. I’d maybe prefer Flamini instead of Arteta to be a bit more dynamic (he also wont get turned by Dembele that easily), and maybe Rosicky out wide to add some experience/steel (he loves playing against the spuds too).

    Romford, we don’t have a huge number of options tbh.

  15. Bamford13

    Romford

    You’re absolutely right. I guess my focus was the striker situation.

    If Arteta were more Gustavo, and Jack were more Gundogan, they could hold their own against the Spurs three. As it is, though, you’re right. They’d likely be over-run.

  16. WengerEagle

    ‘To be fair, I prefer Oscar to Mata but I realise i’m probably in a minority. ‘

    Thought I was the only one Romford, Oscar has so much talent and I think he works very well with Hazard and Willian. Mata’s still a wonderful player though think he’ll be at PSG come February 1st

  17. Bamford13

    Chopper – You’re right. I forgot they are now playing two up top, two through the center, We’d be fine.

    If we’re not comfortable with our two CMs against their two CMs, we have bigger problems.

  18. Paulinho

    Keyser – So what? My point he looks at what a players brings to the team. He obviously feels Terry can do a job and Cole can’t.

    There’s a reason why Swansea away was such a nightmare for teams a couple of years ago. Harry Redknapp mentioned that they were just unrelenting, and that was in large part due to Britton and Allen just constantly sniping as well and passing it between themselves. Rodgers is counting down the days till Gerrard retires, trust me.

    Doesn’t matter about formations apart from the fact they had three in midfield in both occasions. They had the same problem at the Emirates last year in the 2-2 draw, what formation were they playing then.

  19. WengerEagle

    If we’re going to play Zelalem against the Spuds I’d like to see him partnered in the CM with Flamini rather than Wilshere. Zelalem-Wilshere double-pivot offers little to no defensive protection.

    Szeszcny

    Sagna Koscielny Vermaelen Monreal

    Flamini Zelalem
    Cazorla
    Walcott Gnabry
    Podolski/Giroud

    Would be the team I’d pick.

  20. Romford Pele

    Eagle – I can see why Mou prefers him. He’s stronger, faster, more versatile, more combative etc. But that shouldn’t detract that he’s also a very good passer and very elegant on the ball. Two-footed and scores great goals. He fits better into a team dynamic for me. I was impressed with the way him, Hazard and Willain linked up against Liverpool. Even against Southampton the other day, you saw the difference he made when he came on.

    Mata is a great player but you kind of have to fit the team around him.

  21. TitsMcgee

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  22. Cesc Appeal

    Really is a shame Bendnter got injured the way he did.

    His morale and confidence would be massive going into tomorrow, especially against Spurs. Such a shame.

  23. Cesc Appeal

    So many rumours about this Matic guy, CDM from Benfica.

    I doubt it massively but I’d never even heard us linked with him up till a few days ago, now it’s all over the place…none of the reputable sources but still.

  24. Romford Pele

    Ozil trained today so you’d assume he’s likely to start tomorrow.

    My team:
    Szcz
    Sagna Kos Verm Monreal
    Arteta Flamini
    Walcott Ozil Rosicky
    Poldi

  25. TitsMcgee

    So many rumours about this Matic guy, CDM from Benfica.I doubt it massively but I’d never even heard us linked with him up till a few days ago, now it’s all over the place…none of the reputable sources but still.”

    Every TW the papers go into overdrive to get hits on their websites. We’ll be linked to everyone from Yoda to Jesus Christ.

  26. Romford Pele

    “Matic was a Chelsea player wasnt he?”

    Yeah. And apparently they’re going in for him again. Think Mou is looking for a partner for Ramires. Lampard is over the hill, as is Essien and he obviously doesn’t trust Mikel. Wonder what will happen when Van Ginkel returns.

  27. WengerEagle

    Romford

    Yeah agree he’s more versatile and mobile than Mata, he’s also a very underrated player defensively as he completes a boat-load of tackles for a CAM. Mata’s as talented on the ball but he doesn’t offer Chelsea much defensively or tactically . Oscar has arguably been Chelsea’s best player this season along with Hazard and I thought his stand out performances this season have been against Bayern Munich in the Super Cup,Liverpool at home and Southampton away in the BPL

  28. The Poldi Prince

    Bendy is so much better than giroud in the air it isn’t even a comparison. Giroud has awful positioning for crosses. Bendy is far better at positioning for chances.

    Giroud is better dropping deep no doubtand is clearly better winning the knockdowns from long balls.

    I reckon bendy is a couple yardw quicker than giroud and can actually beat a player while facing goal.

  29. Cesc Appeal

    RP

    Agree with your side.

    Though I’d start Wilshere over Arteta and Gnabry over Rosicky.

    Would be great if Giroud could start…really great. In which case I’d give Walcott a breather, bring him on later on and put Podolski LW and Gnabry RW.

  30. Invincibles

    We’re going to hear loads of names being linked with us in the transfer window. Me, I just don’t believe anything till I see the player wearing our shirt nowadays, I just view all links and hearsay as pooh pooh.

  31. Cesc Appeal

    Tits

    If we could sign EITHER Yoda or Jesus Christ…not even Wenger could balls the league up then.

    Probably.

  32. Keyser

    Paulinho – Your point isn’t relevant, because he has the option to begin with, I’m not even defending Gerrard, it’s the idea that he’d make the same decisions at Liverpool as he would at Chelsea he wouldn’t.

    He’s kept Terry and Lampard because he feels he has the options and resources to surround them with enough quality that their weaknesses won’t be too exposed, Cole neither has the reputation and would be 3rd archetypal player anyway.

    It wasn’t just formations either. The two examples are tenuous at best, look at the difference between both yet you’re saying it’s all down to one player.

    Team at Tottenham : Mignolet, Johnson, Flanagan, Sakho, Skrtel, Lucas, Allen, Henderson, Suarez, Sterling, Coutinho.

    Team at Arsenal : Mignolet, Flanagan, Cissokho, Sakho, Skrtel, Toure, Lucas, Gerrard, Henderson, Suarez, Sturridge.

    Firstly that’s hardly proof of anything, concerning Gerrard.

    Secondly the point was about the options to begin with.

    Mourinho has Luis, Mata, both younger, fitter, faster, far greater potential, but because he can’t get them to fit his ideal, or he feels he doesn’t want to wait, but because he has the option to begin with he goes with the players he trusts along with greater reputations.

    There isn’t much free-thought there at all.

  33. Vintage Gun

    Great post Pedders!

    RE Draxler I agree with Romford in that I would prefer him to Cazorla on the left,and I also agree with Gambon that if he was to arrive in the summer then someone big will leave.

    I think that person will be Cazorla OR Podolski. I like them both but I cant see them BOTH here next season

  34. Romford Pele

    Cesc,

    Thanks. The reason I went for the Arteta-Flamini pivot is because Spurs are going two up top and you don’t want to leave too much space for the likes of Eriksen who’ll drift in from the left.

    Gnabry I obviously like a lot and wouldn’t frown if he started ahead of Walcott who has played 5 games straight on the spin, most of them 90 mins too. That said, despite my criticisms of Theo, he’s integral to the side right now, is more experienced, plus he has a good record against the Spuds.

    Rosicky I start in every big game because of his energy and workrate. It’s Spurs so I just wanna win the game and care about other stuff later.

    Wenger said Giroud is 90% out, hence why I put Poldi up top. Ideally we don’t want him there but we have no other option.

  35. TitsMcgee

    “If we could sign EITHER Yoda or Jesus Christ…not even Wenger could balls the league up then.”

    Wenger would pass on Jesus if he were 1m over the market price.

  36. gambon

    So many teams fucked up by not looking at Strootman.

    Arsenal, Chelsea, Man Utd, Everton would all be improved with him in the middle.

  37. Keyser

    Similar to Arsenal, people seem to think Oscar and Mata can’t play together, whereas people are critical of Wilshere and Cazorla even when they play together.

    There seems to be a bit of a contradiction there to.

  38. Cesc Appeal

    RP

    Oh did he? I don’t read Wenger comments because they tend to infuriate me.

    Well Giroud’s out then.

  39. Romford Pele

    “Similar to Arsenal, people seem to think Oscar and Mata can’t play together”

    Who said this?

    I thought Wilshere and Santi did alright the other day tbh. Naturally they were the best two on the pitch so you’d expect it.

  40. WengerEagle

    There’s a lot of talent to be had in the Portuguese League, surprised we don’t raid that market tbh. Matic, Fernando, Jackson, Quintero, Danilo, Carvalho, Montero, Gaitan, Rodrigo, Garay to name but a few

  41. WengerEagle

    gambon

    Stootman’s a top player but he’s a B2B and to be fair to Ramsey he almost single-handedly dragged us through an injury-crisis to keep us in contention for the league this season and even the UCL with his goals at Dortmund and Marseille away. If we bought Strootman, Ramsey would never have gotten a chance

  42. WengerEagle

    It is crazy though how he is dominating Serie A and he cost Roma 12 million which is peanuts in this day and age for such an influential player. United really could have used him but instead spunked more than twice as much on Fellaini

  43. Paulinho

    Keyser – Well as I’ve stated, you cannot adopt an aggressive pressing system with Gerrard in midfield so yes, his absence was the major reason Liverpool were able to utilise those tactics against Tottenham, and City, and NOT against Arsenal, just like the year before.

    You can mention different full backs, the boy Coutinho, the weather temperature, the time of the day the match was played on, the fact is when Gerrard plays Liverpool’s midfield is not compact because he hasn’t got the legs to play Henderson’s type of game, and when Henderson gives up trying to flog a dead horse, he becomes very ordinary as well because sitting deep and being passive is not his game.

    “Lampard because he feels he has the options and resources to surround them with enough quality that their weaknesses won’t be too exposed”

    So assuming that Ramirez ——> Henderson, haven’t you just contradicted yourself? If Mourinho has less options to surround Gerrard with to cover up his weaknesses then wouldn’t he just drop him?

  44. TitsMcgee

    If we bought Strootman, Ramsey would never have gotten a chance”

    It’s not about getting or giving chances it’s about equipping the club with the best opportunity to win.

    This isn’t a football academy.

  45. gambon

    Also,

    Have you thought that if we had bought Strootman then maybe Ramsey wouldnt be injured right now?

    I think he will be an Arteta like deep CM before long.

  46. Romford Pele

    “This isn’t a football academy.”

    True but when you invest in young players, you have to give them a chance otherwise it’s pointless. You can’t just go out and buy every player. Plus we have a home grown quota to meet. Anyway as Eagle said, Strootman and Ramsey are quite similar, it’s a DM we needed to be looking more at. And that wasn’t as urgent as a ST and AM, IMO anyway.

  47. Vintage Gun

    If Wenger signed Jesus it would kill Giroud as he’d be our main attacking foil. Big,Strong commanding,great touch just no good with crosses

    Yoda can play with Giroud as he’s small,stocky,fast,has good skills and great mental strength a bit like Aguero

  48. Radio Raheem

    This isn’t a football academy.
    ———–

    It is to an extent. Player development is a big part of our strategy and why we are top of the league.

    Gibbs, Ramsey, Wilshere, Szczesny Theo and to a lesser extent Gnabry have all benefited from our academy approach.

    (I’d have included Bendtner if he had any worth.)

  49. Romford Pele

    “Have you thought that if we had bought Strootman then maybe Ramsey wouldnt be injured right now?”

    We also have another CM in Wilshere.

  50. Keyser

    Paulinho – The evidence for your idea is tenuous, not the point again, Liverpool and Chelsea don’t play the same way, swap Gerrard for Lampard and you’d probably notice the same problems.

    There is no contradiction because you’re the one going on about the ideal, Mourinho has Remieres, Mikel, Essien, and a whole host of other options yet he can’t accomodate Mata in the team, if Mourinho managed Liverpool having the option of Mata and Gerrard, he’d opt for Gerrard because he better suits the style of play he wants to implement.

    Just like Lampard does for Chelsea.

  51. Romford Pele

    “RP
    but how many years left in the tank? that applies to arteta and rosicky.”

    Guns,

    I’d replace Arteta in the summer and have Flamini as back-up though that’s just me. Rosicky I love so i’m bias in my view. I’d like to see him retire here but his contract runs out in the summer and there hasn’t really been any dialogue over a new one. If he leaves, a youngster may be upgraded, or we could see a new signing.

  52. TitsMcgee

    “It is to an extent. Player development is a big part of our strategy and why we are top of the league.”

    …and why we haven’t won anything in almost a decade.

  53. Radio Raheem

    “It is to an extent. Player development is a big part of our strategy and why we are top of the league.”…and why we haven’t won anything in almost a decade.
    —————-

    Yup and there a few other factors to go with those two.

  54. Paulinho

    ” if Mourinho managed Liverpool having the option of Mata and Gerrard, he’d opt for Gerrard because he better suits the style of play he wants to implement.”

    lol, you go on about situations not being the same then use hypotheticals to prove a point.

    Mourinho doesn’t feel Mata is worth accommodating, that’s what you can’t seem to get. He’s not that good! and once he realises Gerrard can’t run and rooted to the spot, he would bench his backside as well, and because of the gravitas he has, he would probably have the Liverpools fans and Gerrard himself agreeing with him, just like he’s got Essien following his orders and being nice and complicit.

  55. TitsMcgee

    True but when you invest in young players, you have to give them a chance otherwise it’s pointless. You can’t just go out and buy every player.”

    Nobody is saying axe Ramsey but Ramsey is one player. Having Strootman WITH Ramsey would provide us with the right amount of depth.

    The days of relying on one key player with no adequate reserves is our downfall.

    Strootman wasn’t overly expensive either.

    Neither was Gustavo who we were actually linked with.

  56. Keyser

    Player development HAS to be a big part of our strategy, it doesn’t for other clubs, which is partly why we haven’t won anything.

  57. WengerEagle

    Tits

    What if United said the same about Ronaldo in 2004? Rather than buy a youngster they could have opted for a seasoned pro at the time but they opted to give the young lad a go and they didn’t look back. Same as us for Cesc, rather than buy an experienced CM they integrated him into the side and it worked wonders.

    Now don’t get me wrong I know they are exceptional talents and Ramsey is nowhere near as naturally talented as these two but the point I’m making is sometimes you have to give youth a chance and invest in the areas where there is no talent coming through like in the CF or CB positions for us. Ramsey finished last season very strongly and was starting to regain the confidence he had pre-injury so Wenger probably felt he could rely on him rather than buy a B2B and to be fair so far it has worked. What’s criminal is how he didn’t buy a CF or a CB

  58. Vintage Gun

    Arteta is a future manager imo He’s a good leader and also knows what the team needs. Top man

    As for the Attacker formerly known as “Pink boots” I think he’s worked very hard to get himself match fit, now he just needs to get himself out of here.

    Thanks for the farewell gift against Cardiff (I really enjoyed it) and see you around

  59. WengerEagle

    Tits

    Agree with yourself and gambon that we should have bought Strootman to interchange with Ramsey over the course of the season but you are forgetting about Wilshere. If we bought Strootman what exactly is the point in having Wilshere?

  60. Romford Pele

    Tits,

    We also have Wilshere for that position. Chambo can play there too as can Rosicky. Santi played there against W’Ham. It wasn’t a priority position as Eagle said.

    I’m not saying don’t have adequate replacements but we don’t have an endless budget. It really depends on how much you think we had to spend in the summer. I’m not overly versed on it so prefer not to engage in that debate.

  61. TitsMcgee

    “Arsenal need super super quality not bargain basement buys”

    We’ll have to wait till summer’s TW on the last day of the window for that.

  62. Simon

    Don’t sell any of our current key players unless they make the deal happen (podolski). Just buy better ones: in Draxler, Bender, Pogba, di Angel, Costa. Sorted. That way lies trophies and attacking on multiple fronts … I’m laying off the booze now.

  63. Keyser

    Paulinho – Lol mate..

    “lol, you go on about situations not being the same then use hypotheticals to prove a point.”

    Because he has the option at one, he won’t have it at the other. He doesn’t think he’s worth it because he doesn’t have much free-thought, and sticks to his ideal.

    Gerrard would suit that just like Lampard, Mata would be the equivalent of Allen if anything.

  64. WengerEagle

    RE Rosicky and Arteta,

    I’d replace Arteta with Lars Bender/Fernando or Matuidi and replace Rosicky with Diego Ribas off Wolfsburg who is practically begging us to take him. His contract with them runs out in June and he’s still only 28

  65. Romford Pele

    “Just buy better ones: in Draxler, Bender, Pogba, di Angel, Costa. Sorted.”

    That would cost in excess of £100m, not factoring in wages. We can’t do that. It’s not Football Manager.

  66. MarbleHall

    We can’t afford to wait on players to develop Wenger did that with ramsey and it cost us dear as now we are playing catch up. The ready made player is required in this day and age and not ‘potential.’

  67. gambon

    Dont really care if Arteta is a future manager, hes just not a great player.

    Hes not quick, not powerful, doesnt score, not a good long-passer, and doesnt pass forward or move forward enough.

    He definitely brought stability to the club when we needed it, but theres a reason at nearly 32 that he has never been capped.

    IMO we are missing a midfield athlete and a world class CF at present, along with a bit of quality from wide.

    So for me we need 3 first XI players to make the jump from our current position of inferiority when it comes to big teams.

    In terms of PL players, i think Ramires, Hazard and RVP/Suarez/Aguero/Lukaku would improve us hugely.

    Im not saying buy them, but i think we need those qualities in the team.

  68. TitsMcgee

    If we bought Strootman what exactly is the point in having Wilshere?”

    Strootman is superior to Wilshere.

    You think Fergie gave two grasses that he may or may not have upset Wayne when he brought Robin over?

    This is a business. Not friend and company.

    “I’m not saying don’t have adequate replacements but we don’t have an endless budget.”

    We keep hearing from the usual suspects(not you Pele)that we don’t have “Chelsea” or “City” money but then when perfectly good players who were not expensive sign somewhere else we don’t hear a peep.

    KS cost 12m IIRC. It’s not like he cost another 40m to go along with the purchase of Ozil. Our other two signings came in for free.

    I know we were never in for KS but we seemed to be in for Gustavo who fits the DM role to a tee and we still balked.

    Yes, we don’t have endless money, but players in positions of need are out there and it’s negligent that one injury in one position causes us to reshuffle our entire deck.

  69. Paulinho

    Yeah if his ideal is winning football matches and not having glaring weakness in the side then fair enough. What a cynical wanker Mourinho is eh? Daring to act on faults in his side and be ruthless. He needs to learn from Wenger and wait four years.

    No Gerrard wouldn’t be idea he has nowhere near the energy and stamina levels of Lampard, or intelligence. Gerrard doesn’t have the legs to play in an advanced role nor the brain or legs again to play in a deeper role. As I said, just look at Essien and how his view of him has changed since ten years ago. Lose your legs, lose your place, and he rotates Lampard ffs.

  70. Pabs

    Berbatov would do a decent job, hes a class player. For £2m or whatever it would be worth opting for him as a stop-gap option before signing bigger in the Summer.

    Without a recognised CF in the team we could risk dropping out the running completely.

  71. Vintage Gun

    @WengerEagle

    I agree with your choices to replace Arteta With Bendner being my choice and Matuidi my realistic choice as that saves cash for other positions

    As for Rosicky if we don’t keep him (hope we do) I wouldn’t buy to replace him, I would promote Gnabry or Joel Campbell as Rosicky is a squad player.

  72. Vintage Gun

    @Gambon

    I agree with everything you said about Arteta as a player and I would replace/marginalise him in the summer. I was talking off the field

  73. Keyser

    Paulinho – Yeah, but the choice isn’t Lampard or Gerrard, it’s Lampard or Mata, and he can’t adapt, he can’t stray from his ideal, he has the team, the squad, almost everything you could ask for to try and work Mata into the side and he can’t. Mata has greater energy, the higher threshold, far greater potential but no, nothing.

    It’s not that Mata’s weaknesses make him a bad player, it’s that Mata’s weaknesses make him a bad Mourinho type player.

    This is what you don’t seem to understand, there isn’t free-thought. Mourinho drafted Essien over to Madrid to play for him let’s not forget and he underachieved there to because he couldn’t adapt.

    There were no excuses there, he had all the talent in the World, but because he couldn’t adapt his approach, he couldn’t make them believe for longer than a season it all fell apart, yes it’s successful when everything swings his way like Inter or Porto,but when he can’t make it fit his ideal he’s left wanting.

    There really isn’t much difference between Gerrard and Lampard right now, bar the nuances in style, both ageing, both losing their legs not quite what they were once, yet Mourinho sticks with Lampard or Terry for their matter regardless.

  74. WengerEagle

    ‘Strootman is superior to Wilshere.
    You think Fergie gave two grasses that he may or may not have upset Wayne when he brought Robin over?’

    Yes but we would have had to sell Wilshere if we bought Strootman and that would never have happened under Wenger. Rooney still played a lot of matches when RVP came in, Wilshere wouldn’t have got a kick this season if we had Ramsey and Strootman playing in the B2B slot. Strootman is clearly better than Wilshere but my point is it’s pointless saying we should have bought him when we already had Ramsey and Wilshere for B2B midfielders and Wenger wouldn’t sell either player

  75. Leedsgunner

    It would be crazy NOT to sign Mata if the opportunity presented itself. Proven international proven Premiership performer — if you have a chance to sign a player like that you make the room. In fact isn’t that what we did for Ozil? In any case it’s academic because Chelsea will never sell to us… under normal circumstances. Maybe if Roman decided to sell up and move out… now that would be the day!

  76. Al

    For years everyone has been crying for experience. …then all of the sudden those same people want Arteta and rosicky gone?

    Where is the logic?

  77. WengerEagle

    Vintage

    Yeah Matuidi on a free transfer would be a bargain and would allow us to invest heavily on a striker and a left-forward. Lars Bender is a better player but he’s not streets ahead of Matuidi and would cost us upwards of 25 million

  78. TitsMcgee

    “Yes but we would have had to sell Wilshere if we bought Strootman and that would never have happened under Wenger. ”

    Well then there you have it. You just outlined the REAL problem.

  79. WengerEagle

    ‘if you have a chance to sign a player like that you make the room. In fact isn’t that what we did for Ozil?’

    This has been talked about before and I have to say I strongly disagree, we severely lacked creativity last season with Santi being just about our only creative outlet. We needed Ozil as badly as a striker IMO

  80. Emiratesstroller

    A good manager looks at both ‘today’ and ‘tomorrow’ when building his team.”

    Today
    ——–
    Arsenal’s current weaknesses in squad are having just one experienced striker who wants to be at club. Bendtner wanted to leave two years ago and however well he plays now is unlikely to stay at club beyond June when his contract expires. Wenger’s poor decision making in Summer cost us Higuain who would have been excellent addition.

    The second position which needs to be covered in this transfer window is a fourth centre back. I do not like the idea of Sagna being that
    option, because it would weaken the right back position and he is not
    physically big or strong enough against top strikers.

    Tomorrow [July]
    My concern if Wenger recruits noone in current tax year is that he will be forced to bring in quite a few new bodies in summer and that
    could have destabilising effect on team as Spurs found when they brought in 7 new players.

    The likelihood is that we will need to bring over next two transfer windows:
    2 x goalkeepers [Fabianski’s contract ends and Viviano does not appear
    to be long term option].
    Right Full Back if Sagna does not sign new contract.
    2 x centre backs. One is definitely needed and second might be required if Vermaelen were to leave.
    defensive midfield. Arteta and Flamini are not good enough in position.
    midfielder if Rosicky leaves.
    striker.

    That is potentially 8 holes to fill and does not take account that Diaby
    might not be able to continue. I am discounting the likes of Park,Miyaichi and Frimpong, because they are already surplus to requirements and are not being used.

  81. Romford Pele

    Partly prefer Lars Bender also because of his height. Matuidi would bring a lot for sure but he’s another who isn’t very tall. That said, I wouldn’t frown at all if Blaise joined the squad next summer as it would allow for improvements elsewhere, as others have alluded to.

  82. Paulinho

    Keyser – Why is the choice Mata or Lampard?

    And so the convo winds back to Madrid and how he underachieved, yawn, Been there done that. He deserves respect for going somewhere where there is little upside and massive downside. The little coward Wenger would never go there, that’s for sure.

    It wouldn’t be his ‘ideal’.

  83. Saurabh

    They would cost much more than 100 million. Say 155(32+25+40+25+32) , but that will be ammortized over 4-5 years so 30 million per year and even if we pay say £100k per week on average then it would be a total of 55 million per year which us very much manageable with 70 million increase in our revenue from next year and the salary savings and transfer fees from the exits if such a bunch of players were bought

  84. Radio Raheem

    Final one on Bendtner

    I believe everyone deserves a second chance (in Bendtner’s case third or fourth chance). So if he continues like he did last match, curbs his gub and was more professional in his approach to club duties then he might just repay the club somewhat.

    But for anyone to describe fans who continue to castigate him, are skeptical or remain unconvinced as being irrational is simply wrong. You should ask yourself why him? The fact is Bendtner has fallen so far down of expectations he needs to do a lot to go back up. He is lucky the club is doing well at the moment and with the signing of Ozil has gone some way in restoring fans connection with the club. He is benefiting from this.

    If one were to compare Bendtner to another recently vilified former player, Adebayor, he falls well short. Apart from falling short on his performances on the pitch towards the end of his stay, I can only remember his ‘Beyonce’ comment attracting ire from the fans as a player on our books. This is mild compared to the stuff Bendtner has come up with.

    Besides, we did receive £25m for Adebayor as opposed to the zilch, zero, nada we’ll get for Bendtner. The money does matter when it comes to evaluating contribution in football. If you cannot contribute on the pitch then do so on the balance sheet. (What happens to the money spent is a completely different matter and irrelevant in this case.) For the wages spent on Bendtner his return so far has been minimal at best, probably only better than Diaby’s in our case.

    From a performance perspective, with Ade leading the line we got to the semis/quarters of the CL and came closest to winning the league since our barren run began. Bendtner?

    We are on a title charge so all our players will get the support of most/all fans. However, I understand if support for Bendtner lags behind those of other players. Nothing irrational about it. The onus is on Bendtner, more than any other player, to prove himself not the other way round.

  85. Romford Pele

    “This has been talked about before and I have to say I strongly disagree, we severely lacked creativity last season with Santi being just about our only creative outlet. We needed Ozil as badly as a striker IMO”

    This.

  86. Keyser

    Paulinho – Yawn ? Lol, don’t be a child because it goes against your enamored vision of Mourinho, you could pick any team and they all have similar characteristics, some win, others don’t for various reasons.

    Why isn’t the choice Lampard or Mata ? What is the choice then ?

    He can’t accomodate Mata at Chelsea, thought there’s still time, if he manages to work or luck into how then heaven help us.

  87. Radio Raheem

    He definitely brought stability to the club when we needed it, but theres a reason at nearly 32 that he has never been capped.
    ————-

    Spain having its best pool of players in midfield ever might be a reason.

    I think it is telling that Wenger bid for Bender in the summer. So we can infer Wenger is aware of Arteta’s weaknesses as much as the next man. I think posters on here, or some posters, need to appreciate more what he brings to the side. That way they’ll see why he remains Wenger’s preferred choice for the position having failed to get Bender in the summer.

  88. Paulinho

    Keyser – It’s just that one is a central midfielder, box to box, and the other is a wide player that cuts in. They could both easily fit into the same team and have for the past couple of years. Very odd how you’ve made out those two are in direct opposition to eachother. Oscar, Mata you mean?

    Meh, Mata doesn’t bother me. When we play Chelsea I’m not remotely bothered about him. He’s got the class to punish you if just stand off him (like we tend to do) but you can get on top of him and play around him up the other end. In the 5-3 a couple of years ago he scored but was a non-entity and was one of main reasons we looked comfortable in midfield that day.

  89. gambon

    Sorry Radio

    Thats no excuse.

    One single cap in his 14 year senior career?

    If a player is half decent you give them a cap at the very least to secure them for your country.

  90. gambon

    “I think posters on here, or some posters, need to appreciate more what he brings to the side.”

    Is this gonna be one of them footballing sermons, where us mere mortals are given amazing insight into why a seemingly average player is amazing?

    Like Gioruds “link-up play” which is a euphemism for “cant hit a cows arse with a banjo”

    I dont mind Arteta, and would happily have either him or Flamini in the squad, I just think both of them is overkill. 2 limited, fairly average players dont add up to one world class player.

    Having 2 such players gives us nice depth, but keeps our ceiling well below that of the Citys/Barcas/Bayerns of this world.

  91. WengerEagle

    Romford

    Yeah Matuidi’s height at 5 foot 9 is a slight concern but he is extremely mobile which is a very useful trait in a CDM. Gustavo or Bender would both be the ideal options. How much did Gustavo cost Wolfsburg?

  92. Radio Raheem

    gambon

    I think there was talk of him qualifying to play for England few years ago. But mate we are talking about the best national side ever. The best in the history of international football. Think about all the great sides there’s been. Arteta is not WC not even close but he’s a good player and was top player few years ago, one that would have got into many international sides. He is just incredibly unlucky to be born in this era of Spanish football.

  93. Keyser

    Paulinho – Because you went for the Gerrard comparison, Gerrard and Lampard are the two in similar positions, yet one is a regular for Chelsea and you think Mourinho would’ve dropped him for Liverpool. No he doesn’t have more stamina or greater intelligence, he just has a better team around him at Chelsea.

    It’s your own convuluted example.

    Thing is if Mourinho didn’t care about reputation why does he keep going back to the same players who he’s trusted in the past, despite there being better options, or that these players are on their last legs, there’s examples at all of his clubs.

    If he did have such free-thought how hasn’t he accomodated Chelsea’s best player for the last two seasons, and why has he resorted to the same style, along with the same ageing tired players.

    The 5-3 was two years ago, we had Van Persie up front, and Song in midfield, Chelsea with no Hazard, Oscar or Willian in a match that was a complete free-for all.

  94. Radio Raheem

    Is this gonna be one of them footballing sermons, where us mere mortals are given amazing insight into why a seemingly average player is amazing?
    ——

    Haha that’ll be lost on you mate

  95. WengerEagle

    .’ But mate we are talking about the best national side ever. The best in the history of international football. Think about all the great sides there’s been.’

    Spain were nothing special until 2008 of when Arteta was already 26 years old though. Surely if he was a quality player he would have won a cap in the six or so previous years?

  96. Cesc Appeal

    If we get Kalou I’ll take a dump in the technical area at the Emirates…no…thank…you

    Only £2.5 Million…I don’t care…syphilis could be £2.50…it’s still syphilis

  97. WengerEagle

    Didn’t realise it was as much as that Romford, thought it was more around the 12 million pound mark. Still he’s a quality player, worth every penny. Do you reckon he would join if we threw 20 million Wolfsburg’s way?

  98. Parlour's Love Child

    This revisionism of Bendtner’s ability is both knee-jerk and ridiculous. There have been more instances of Mourinho being humble than Bendtner playing well in an Arsenal shirt. He’s simply not good enough for a club of our standing and ambition, and Wenger has wasted too much time on the egomaniac.
    I’d even prefer Berbatov over Nik B. Yes, he’s lazy but he’s got far more ability and has been a proven goalscorer in the Prem. Also, I reckon Berbatov’s laziness is magnified at Fulham because he is fed up playing with shite players. We could spark him back into life, and vice versa (remember what Christopher Wreh did for us in our Double-winning run-in – and he was two-bob). One thing is for certain, Costa won’t move this month.
    Ideally we need a striker who can run in behind but who also has the strength to hold the ball with his back to goal, and they are not easy to get hold off. So Berbatov might be our best bet, especially as anyone else (Morata etc) are unproven in Prem and at the top level.
    Not sure on Poldi at CF and Theo is certainly hopeless when having to shield the ball with his back to play.
    Maybe it’s time to follow Melbourne Victory and play with two ‘false strikers’ !!

  99. Vintage Gun

    Fcuk me Gustavo went for £24m!!! For some reason I always thought it was £15m.No wonder they got him.

    As for Mata we needed him before we signed Ozil not now. You cant say “well if hes good enough then you can fit him in” it doesn’t go like that. We need a Reus/Draxler type next season for team balance and also to get the best from Ozil

  100. Paulinho

    Keyser – I was going on about reputations you doughnut, Mata and Gerrard both have this ‘undroppable’ vibe around them, and doing so would be verging onsacrilegious. Mourinho wouldn’t give a toss. If Lampard wasn’t doing the business he would be out of the team, and he has been out of the team at various points.

    “Thing is if Mourinho didn’t care about reputation why does he keep going back to the same players who he’s trusted in the past, despite there being better options”

    Oh look, another subjective opinion. How do you know there are better options than Terry? See, despite all your bollocks, it all comes down to subjective opinion. You’re forced into despite trying to sit on the fence.

    So it’s your subjective opinion against Mourinho. lol.

  101. wenker-wanger

    why does wenger rate kalou?…is he another love child like diaby?
    we have a chance of a trophy this season, wenger should pull his feeble finger out and go for a top talent upfront. Berba fits the short term need perfectly.
    Oh and 4th place isn’t a trophy despite what the mad prof says.

  102. WengerEagle

    ‘As for Mata we needed him before we signed Ozil not now. You cant say “well if hes good enough then you can fit him in” it doesn’t go like that. We need a Reus/Draxler type next season for team balance and also to get the best from Ozil’

    Well said.

  103. Radio Raheem

    Spain were nothing special until 2008 of when Arteta was already 26 years old though. Surely if he was a quality player he would have won a cap in the six or so previous years?
    ————

    What year did he win the 1 cap gambon mentioned? Spain won a tournament in 2008, a culmination of work done a few years preceding that. This might be the best Spanish side ever but they’ve always had top midfielders. Before 2008 I can think of Mendieta, Xavi…go back further there was Guardiola, Hierro etc. It’s always been tough getting into the Spain side

  104. Emiratesstroller

    I have no issue in keeping Arteta and/or Flamini as squad players, but they are no longer good enough to be first team regulars. We saw their
    shortcomings when they played together on Wednesday and in other games.

    They lack physicality and pace and those are commodities which are needed against top teams such as Man City and Chelsea. Wenger has
    already highlighted that problem when commenting on Giroud’s place in team. If there is one real weakness it is lack of those skills.

  105. Romford Pele

    Eagle – I’d take Gustavo but you kind of feel like Wenger could’ve had him and opted against it. Lars Bender may have been the real target. I’m speaking hypothetically of course.

  106. Moray

    Some good analysis on here today.

    It struck me reading it how much change we are looking at next summer. Though it’s mostly going to be changes to squad players rather than first teasers, the hope is we will replace them with higher quality and have our current first teasers compete for their positions. Of course, striker, CB and GK are of utmost urgency.

    I think where Bayern will hurt us is on the flanks. We saw this against Newcastle, though thankfully Pardew’s team selection helped us a bit leaving Ben Arfa on the bench till late. This for me is another area we need to strengthen with natural wingers. Someone like Ben Arfa would be fantastic on the left, but then we would probably let go Podolski or Cazorla…

    Who leaves in the summer? Super Nic, Park, Viviano, Vermaelen (prob), Sagna (maybe), Diaby (hopefully), Arteta (should), Rosicky (prob). That’s a hell of a lot of change from our first team squad….and we win;t going to get much money in for them.

  107. Cesc Appeal

    Oh virtual cert Adebayor will score…you just know it.

    I’m going with Tottenham to get an early goal. Adebayor inside the first ten…can just feel it.

  108. Keyser

    Paulinho – “Mata and Gerrard both have this ‘undroppable’ vibe around them”

    Yeah, because Lampard and Terry don’t ? Players who have tried to sway not only club managerial decisions, but also International ones.

    Gerrard hasn’t been Liverpool’s best player for the past two seasons either, it wasn’t that Mata had this undroppable reputation you plum, it’s because he was Chelsea’s best player for the past two years.

    He’s not a Chelsea legend or an ageing talisman he’s one of the hottest prospects in World football.

    Why have you deemed it ‘Subjective’ ? Lol because you think if Chelsea win then Mourinho will have made the right decision ?

  109. Cesc Appeal

    Yeah Viviano and Sanogo appear rather pointless.

    Just can’t get my head around Sanogo…it’s not even worth taking a prospective punt.

    Unless Diaby said, ‘boss, you think the head I give is good, there’s this postman who plays for Auxerre…’

  110. leon

    i would not bervadov at arsenal inmillion years far to much of luxury very much like aa there alot more to it than just having ability you have to be willing to put the hard work in for the team and this player has proven time and again he is willing to that. if look at players like rinaldo messi surez drogba yes these are all mega talented players but they work very hard for the team, its about having the right attitude when it comes right down to it.bottom line the very top teams dont have room for luxury players

  111. Romford Pele

    Unless Diaby said, ‘boss, you think the head I give is good, there’s this postman who plays for Auxerre…’

    Loooooooooooool. I actually wanna see Sanogo play though tbh!