Gustavo, are you flirting? Or is this serious? | Ivan / Arsene… What’s the vision?

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Gustavo threw a bucket of intrigue on the raging fire of transfer fury being created by Arsenal fans around the globe. He’s either in the know about an impending transfer… or he’s touting himself like a cheap piece of meat.

‘My contract with Bayern runs until 2015 but it is very important that I play first-team football to keep getting called up for Brazil,’ he said upon arrival in Basel for Brazil’s friendly with Switzerland on Wednesday.

‘I am in a very delicate situation at Bayern and this needs sorting out. I have personal and professional reasons to move.

‘I have heard about the Arsenal interest. It’s a big club we’re talking about here so of course I’d like to play for them.’

Rapha Honigstein corrected yesterday’s post. Apparently Gustavo hasn’t been available all summer. The decision has only just made to part ways with his services. A victim of a club that insists on competition. Though this does back up my assertions that Wenger is a reactionary manager. Though in this case, I’ll suck it and and accept we’re not bringing in Santos mk II.

Regardless of what happens in these last 2 weeks, you have to marvel at the contradiction that is Arsene Wenger. On the one hand he was this master visionary who looked 5 years ahead all the time. He helped mastermind the transition from Highbury to the Emirates on a pitiful budget. That, regardless of you view on him now, was a masterstroke. Possibly one of his most important contributions to the club.

Now we’re in 2013… he has loads of cash, plenty of resource, access to the best players in the world… and he can’t handle it.

Old strategy: take the best young players in Europe, train them up, make them feel special and attached to the club, dominate when they become old enough

Ok, it bombed on many levels, but you could see the vision. What do we have now?

2014 Strategy: Sign mature players for under £15m from clubs in difficulty, hope they move their games up a level and the club just make top 4… and turn a profit. A big, fat, weighty profit.

Is that a strategy befitting of the most cash rich club on the planet? That’s what I’m seeing. Our objective is top 4 mediocrity. We buy mediocre players in the hope they’ll come good. We pay mediocre wages to everyone. We finish the season bang on objective every year. Players leave because we lack ambition.

If top 4 mediocrity isn’t the objective, why does the strategy never change? Surely if something isn’t working, it’s broken and needs a rethink. Our summers have been the same plus or minus losing a few great players. We shop in the same places, we spend the same money, we never go above and beyond. We only buy if we’re the only club interested… or we’re getting an absolute steal.

Isn’t it about time we had a rethink? Gazidis worships Bayern Munich, a team that sacked a European Cup winning manager… I can’t find the quote, but I think Heycknes said, ‘they wanted a younger manager’… that’s visionary CEOing… or stupid. Regardless, there was a thought process behind it. Guardiola is the best young manager on the planet, if we bring him in and he replicates the Barcelona roadmap… we’re set for 10 years.

Where is our football vision both in the management team and on the board?

I can’t see it.

If you can’t see it, perhaps that’s because it’s not there. Maybe that’s what Ivan should be addressing, because I’m not critiquing the business… we’ve brought home the bacon this year, however, the manager is choosing not to eat it.

We need a manager hungry for bacon.

See you in the comments.

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  1. Hotshot

    Kiyoshi

    Give it a break. All posters are entitled to their opinions and just because they don’t agree with yours doesn’t mean they should be insulted. At times tonight this board has resembled a “my dad can spit further than yours” contest. Doesn’t look good for LG.

    And just for the record, I can’t wait to see the back of AW. The man is totally deluded and how the BOD cannot see that is mind boggling.

  2. arsenal-flavour

    kiyoshi

    we all know nasri mouth is a prick… you don’t need to prove it, we came to that conclusion along time ago ourselves!

    Your heart is in the right place mate, in a sense you bully the bullies e.g. giving them a taste of their own medicine.

    But I have to say Inter Grannies is not like Nasri’s mouth his not a bully and he doesn’t pick needless fights I don’t think your beef with him makes sense! I know you guys disagree on alot of things but tbh Inter isn’t a bad guy! So chill dude!

    I agree with most of your comments on the club just sometimes you come across abit forceful!

  3. Rob

    I’ve been told we’re dishing out trials to dozens of no ones in training over the last 2 weeks,one a 25/26 year old Ligue 2 player who I’d never heard of & some guy from the Ivory Coast…what the fuck is wrong with Wenger!I was also told the Ligue 2 player was terrible,very out of his depth & almost seemed confused why he was there,this from my one club insider,a few of the players are a bit miffed as to why we’re still trying the cheap route.Alls not as rosy in the arsenal camp as we are made to believe put it that way.

  4. Kiyoshi Ito

    arsenal-flavourAugust 14, 2013 00:38:40

    I hear you..I don’t really want to get into IntoGrannies debate..

    But the funny thing is ,he his a long time poster& from my perspective has been talking endless b/s for the past couple years..

    He’s partner in crime,”Incesc” who used to give me bile,back in the days,is even turning against Wenger…

    That aside,the whole machinations of the club…

    From top-to-toe as a footballing outfit,is ramshackle..

    It brings me to tears…

    There is no pride in trying to compete..

    As an athlete(past-time),you are reared on competing..

    Being the best you can be..

    Even if you might not be the best,but you train,to be the best,to compete to the best of your ability.

    When you supposedly have a top flight coach,telling fans & the general public,that 4th is a trophy….

    I mean,what the f**k..?

    Is that the reason,or rationale why Arsenal fans pay the highest season tickets in the world,to hear such nonsense..??!!

    As fans,why bother pay& why bother turn up?

    Why the incessant lies every year??

    We will buy super quality?
    We have money?
    We will compete?
    We won’t sell our best players??
    We make superstars,not buy them?
    Escalation in Financial Power?
    I’m going to the Euros,with a big Cheque Book?
    The market has been quiet for 2 seasons?
    We are trying to compete with the Manc’s,RM,BM,Chelsea& Barca’s?

    & then celebrate clutching 4th place at the end of the season,like we’ve won the World Cup..

    Sell,your best players,to your rivals & help to inflate the market,that you are so opposed to buying from.?

    It’s just all bizarre & macabre..

    It really sticks in the throat..& it is tantamount to Gross Misconduct on the Management Side..

    Failure to invest in a team,with the financial resources..

    It’s not only financial doping on a grand scale,but financial doping of the fans..

    In short,it’s a criminal enterprise these guys are running..

    Maybe, I should chill the f**k out…

    Maybe, I should just kiss the club goodbye..

    Because I certainly do not recognise the club anymore,albeit for it’s values,for it’s competitiveness,off the pitch,or on it..

    What fornicating memories/values till date that I have off the club,that I can be proud off passing onto my future children.?

    Please tell me..?

    Yep,you are right,I should chill the f**k out..& I will gladly do that..!!

  5. Kiyoshi Ito

    To be honest, Arsene is not really the root problem…..

    The owner – Silent Stan,is the fundamental root cause…

    The sooner we can get shot of him,the better..!!

    Replace him,with some Qatari/Abu Dhabi owner’s..

    Usmanov,seems to be a waste of time..

    Playing the ‘ole usual in-house political games..

    Why he tapped up Henry last year,beats me..?

    More a PR Coup,to get the fans onside…

    Well,that came to nothing…& Arsene froze Henry out,for his potential 3rd comeback..?

    The in-house political machinations is too much…

    Clean slate…F**k ’em all…

  6. follow the money

    @Rob that’s why I unfollowed Arsenal on twitter and don’t even bother checking the Arsenal website because there hasn’t been that kind of propaganda since Goebbels. Arsenal.com is useless for finding out anything truthful

  7. Zacharse

    Its really too bad that the 2 people who should be most embarassed by our transfer dealings are the least

    Arsene and Kroenke

    F$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$CK

  8. luke

    I cant handle this transfer window anymore. it is a disgrace that we haven’t signed anyone worth a damn yet. I find it quite funny that the club that proclaims there way is the best and conservative spending is the safe and right way to run a club….. that’s all well and good but the club seems to love pushing the boundaries of what fans will put up with and that has lead to where we are now. the arrogance of the club versus the fans running the coach out of town. it has got to the point where we would rejoice at the site of any new player. here’s something for wenger and his ass puppets to smugly smile about. we are slowly but surely coming up to 10 years without a trophy not because of lack of money but because that 5 million dollar squad player that would’ve stabilised our squad instead signed for someone else why? because he was too expensive (WTF?). it has happened countless times over the years.. im sure all those young gooners that the club sooo dearly care about will be buying there Chelsea shirts for the next 5-10 years. lets be realistic nobody worth a damn will come in.. prepare for the worst this season gunners as we’ve seen it before the only difference is wenger has used up all his tokens and is now frantically running around the arcade asking all the kids if he can borrow five bucks but only if he can pay them back in 5 years time. countless players (big names and small) that would’ve benefitted our side greatly have signed up for teams we should be blowing out of the water (except the obvious ones) we are in a shambles and only two options are going to change this; just like everyone keeps saying “wenger spend some fucking money” or “wenger out”. its the clubs mess but watch them push it under the rug.

  9. luke

    I cant handle this transfer window anymore. it is a disgrace that we haven’t signed anyone worth a damn yet. I find it quite funny that the club that proclaims there way is the best and conservative spending is the safe and right way to run a club….. that’s all well and good but the club seems to love pushing the boundaries of what fans will put up with and that has lead to where we are now. the arrogance of the club versus the fans running the coach out of town. it has got to the point where we would rejoice at the site of any new player. here’s something for wenger and his ass puppets to smugly smile about. we are slowly but surely coming up to 10 years without a trophy not because of lack of money but because that 5 million dollar squad player that would’ve stabilised our squad instead signed for someone else why? because he was too expensive (WTF?). it has happened countless times over the years.. im sure all those young gooners that the club sooo dearly care about will be buying there Chelsea shirts for the next 5-10 years. lets be realistic nobody worth a damn will come in.. prepare for the worst this season gunners as we’ve seen it before the only difference is wenger has used up all his tokens and is now frantically running around the arcade asking all the kids if he can borrow five bucks but only if he can pay them back in 5 years time. countless players (big names and small) that would’ve benefitted our side greatly have signed up for teams we should be blowing out of the water (except the obvious ones) we are in a shambles and only two options are going to change this; just like everyone keeps saying “wenger spend some fucking money” or “wenger out”. its the clubs mess but watch them push it under the rug.

  10. The Hig

    Now Suarez is dead and we after Dzeko and Michu. This is slowly turning into 6th place finish. Does Wenger really think Swans will sell Michu? Dzeko maybe but really. This. Is. Bad.

  11. gnarleygeorge9

    Well here we are again on the eve of another PL season, & I’ve managed to avoid all the transfer speculation during the off season. I feel fresh & ready for kick off.

  12. Jeff

    If you haven’t learned and understood how Wenger operates by now and therefore predict with absolute certainty what is going to happen with regard to any high profile link, then you will never learn.

    The man is simply incapable of signing high-end players. We’ve sold the family heirloom and are playing on fumes. The team is strewn with average and below average players all over the pitch. This “game” he plays every year of doing just enough to come fourth and expecting thanks for it will be his undoing but the damage to AFC can never be undone – we can never recover the last decade. When it finally ends, it will be known as the “strange” era. We have a while longer to suffer yet.

  13. nepGunner

    @The Hig

    Yep, and after Michu and Dzeko also subsides (can’t see them happening as well), we’ll sign Gareth Barry, Chamak Mk II and Silvestre/Squillaci Mk II at 11:59 pm on September 2nd. AKBs will breathe a sigh of relief and thank their OGL for saving the season.

    It really feels pathetic to be gooner at this moment.

  14. Kiyoshi Ito

    Pedders

    Gazidis,is a lackey for Arsene.

    Nothing more than a pen-pusher…

    A brown-nose,that’s positioning himself to have some iota of control & power,once Arsene departs..

    Gazidis,gets slapped around by Arsene…

    All bark& no teeth…

    Pedders,you should seek some sort of counsel with Silent Stan…

    You will get as much information out of him,as you did out of Gazidis”The Slippery Snake”

    Gazidis,gave you nothing…Just poured scorn on you mate..

    I really feel for you..

    You are a passionate fan,that takes time out to run a daily blog..

    That’s real effort & I commend you for it..

    But’s it about time,you turn the tables & use your social media blog,to champion a worthwhile cause,on behalf of the majority of bloggers on here..

    It’s time Pedders..

    The keyboard is mighty & so is your tongue..

    PS
    Keep up the good work…(Though I disagree with some of your adventures over the years)

  15. Kiyoshi Ito

    gnarleygeorge9August 14, 2013 06:20:56
    Well here we are again on the eve of another PL season, & I’ve managed to avoid all the transfer speculation during the off season. I feel fresh & ready for kick off.
    ———————————–
    LOL….LOL

  16. The Hig

    Yeah well, I really thought this was the summer we would actually sign some proper players and put up a real challenge this season. I was one of those supporters who had that sliver of belief that AW would actually spend his warchest on quality . I’m such a cunt. RVP was right, he sat down with Wenger and left because he didn’t agree with the direction the club were moving in. Now I know what direction he was referring to. Greedy or not, he knows why he left. Not money, not trophies, but the direction. He loves the club, but didn’t like the direction. And that direction is down.

  17. Kiyoshi Ito

    JeffAugust 14, 2013 06:42:04

    Jeff,I hear you…Not meaning to sound antagonistic..But last year,you were of the mindset,that RVP would stay & therefore Arsene would recruit?

    Maybe,I’m mistaken…?Correct me,if I’m wrong..

    The point I’m trying to make,is that at some points over the years,Arsenal fans have been swayed one way,or the other,through the incessant b/s emanating from the Emirates…

    Even,the mighty Gambon this year,thought major signings were about to occur..

    Surely,a wise man like yourself could smell through the b/s from at least 2008..

    I know hindsight is a wonderful thing…

    Was it emotion,that swayed you in b/w?

    Clinging to hope?

    Or trying to live your dreams through the club,like most Arsenal fans?

    My parting statement would be,forget the Club,until the powers that be,leave the building…

    You will just end up working yourself,into an undue frenzy

  18. Jeff

    Kiyo,

    I’ve not made any secret of my stance last year with regard to RVP. I was fully convinced that it would be the height of stupidity to sell him to a rival club in the same league however close he was to the end of his contract. If we held on to him, at the very least, it would have showed to the world that we mean business and won’t just roll over soon as someone rams a wad of notes in our face. After the sale of Van Persie, my respect and any inkling of sympathy towards Wenger went down the drain.

    As for the general tendency of disliking nearly all Wenger’s policies and principles, that began a while back. I think it is coming up to about 4 years now. In 2008, one could be forgiven (I suppose) for thinking that the stadium was still having a part to play in our “temporary” decline but I hadn’t really thought to find out the finer details of how and what effect it was supposed to have. I think most people still enamoured with Wenger don’t bother to find out if the excuses really add up.

    As for ending my relationship with the club, I think we both know that neither one of us are capable of doing that. My story with Arsenal began in 1973 and I don’t know how old your association with it is but I am pretty sure you won’t stop following even if you’re not attending games or buying merchandise. For me, the latter stopped some years ago but I will continue to follow till the cancer is removed.

    The logic is this. It doesn’t really matter if as you say we “forger the club” or not. This horrible, nasty, crippling phase we’re currently in will pass – it is only a matter of time. So while we wait, I will continue to follow and watch the matches on the small screen or Internet but my support and respect for the controllers of Arsenal ended a while ago.

  19. Evan

    Arsenal’s Future

    Steve Gatting made five changes from the team that was comprehensively beaten at Luton Town 10 days ago.
    WE LOST 5-1 to friggin Colchester.

    Our Captain and future Hayden was shown a straight red card for a late challenge on Hubble.

    While Algerian triallist Ramy Bensebaini started at centre half

  20. Gregg

    Mega-twat John Cross says we may be after Dzeko or Michu as plan B to Suarez. WTF ? Firstly Dzeko has been told by Pellegrini that he is very much in his plans, secondly he’s not the creative forward that we’ve supposedly been after. That is just a name plucked out the air. Honestly John Cross prints shit after shit, he is an embarrassment of a hack. Michu ? no legs in that either from what I can see.

  21. Oh Theo Theo!

    Gregg – no legs on anything at all. Zero meaningful signings.

    We are really going into the season with that wafer thin squad. This season is going to get ugly really really quickly.

  22. Gregg

    OTT
    Honestly mate when it got to the 1st July I knew it would be this way. I don’t doubt that we did enquire about Bedner & co but it was also clear by that time that they weren’t interested. Our only chance of getting that type of player was to get in early. We have to face facts and they are unless Arsenal are going to through silly money at players then they will not come here. We are not a big draw anymore. And so the status quo remains, any signings we do make will be un-inspiring ones or taking a punt on an injury plagued player who had a big reputation a few years back.

  23. TheBayingMob

    It strikes me that Wenger is absolutely lost, rudderless. Is Gazidis letting him drift? If you’re mate was driving towards a cliff wouldn’t you pull him up on it? Gustavo out of nowhere, now Dzeko and Michu rumours … it strikes me as Wenger is slowly moving into panic / supermarket sweep territory. What’s going on with the reserves? That’s a 12-1 aggregate from the last two games… the whole place appears to be in a mess, it’s all so easy to sort it out Arsene. Get a grip man, take the rudder you fool!!

  24. Ash79

    All the hot air end of season by Ivan. All the good feeling finishing 4th. Never capitalized on the momentum. Just built up hopes and fizzled out. Only intention to buy higuain, no one else. Then quick switch to Suarez, never offering the money they want else would have to write a cheque for real, instead it entertained the rabble for a few weeks. Lfc annoyingly but rightly showed the fuckin balls we should have had over previous deserters. Every transfer window we have to show a profit. We r showing 10m this window. Same shit all over again. If Ivan was tryna put pressure then u don’t talk about a new contract publically and well now Ivan it appears Aw left u dry n high, u look a mug Ivan. Have the balls as a CEO to fire your employee.

  25. The Hig

    Well, if Pool are after Willian then they are out to screw us now. Plus the rumours of them being after Contento and Bayern stating that they wont sell both Gustavo and Contento. If they sign Contento before we sign Gustavo then we really are screwed.

  26. Oh Theo Theo!

    Hig – we’ve been screwed since the start of the summer.

    I really want some of the complete AKB wankers like Goonerjay, Aaron Lemon and KJacfc who were on here at the start of the window giving everybody stick and abuse how this year is going to be different and giving pelters to anybody who disagreed.

    And now? Where are they to take the abuse???? Hiding.

  27. Oh Theo Theo!

    OH dear – latest story is that Suarez has done a U turn and says he wants to stay at the scousers.

    Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear – how much more of a laughing stock are Ivan and Arsene going to make us???

    REgardless of how the team performs this year we’re a complete and utter laughing stock on a world basis.

    Richest, most inept club in British football. Useless, useless, useless.

  28. The Hig

    Lol OTT. I’m no AKB, but I too had the belief that we will make major quality signings so we can challenge. I guess it’s just the desperation for the club we love to win something.

  29. TheBayingMob

    And now? Where are they to take the abuse???? Hiding.
    —-
    They’re probably in bed together … biting into their Arsene Wenger pillow cases …

  30. Gregg

    OTT
    Liverpool will suck up to Suarez behind closed doors. Will pander to his ego saying it’s world cup year and that a good showing from him in that competition, will see him get his dream move to a top club in Europe. They will give him written assurance that he can be sold next year.

  31. Oh Theo Theo!

    Gregg – I know, we’ve just been outplayed, out thought and been left behind.

    All down to Wenger in my book. He is the handbrake. He is the lack of mental strength.

    I mean how are the team supposed to feel when they enter the season with 16 first team bodies?? Fucking betrayed is how they should feel.

  32. Agosto

    Why is Wenger always toiling wit de hearts of we de arsenal funs? So is arsenal really in for trophies? I keep on asking myself why a vision club for the past 3 yrs have been selling its high profile players without replacing them. A club wit de highest income of E 157 million last season can’t even buy a high profile player like Gustavo who worth just 18 to 20 million. Wenger started wit de purchase of Jovetic, Benteke, Wanyama, Fellani, Michu, Higaun, Bernard, Pepe Reina., Julio Cesar, Berghorf, Rooney, Yohan Gorculf, Gundigan, Ashley Williams, kondobia, Suarez and now Louis Gustavo. Now Arsenal is left with 18 days to make signings and l don’t think no team will sell its best player if a replacement can’t be made. I hope 70 million euro was set aside to purchase players this summer and not even a pesewa has being used. Its embarrassing if we Arsene Winger don’t do something. If nothing is than, l don’t think we can qualify for championship league next season.