Can Theo work his way to magic?

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A no news day! What? Is this a sign of things to come? This can’t be good. I’m looking forward to all the rubbish transfer blogs coming out of hibernation in time for the summer display advertising gold rush. Some of it has already started…

‘Arsenal agree ¥17,0000,,73fdh000 deal with Madrid’s class clown’

It’s so boring. Newsnow used to be my first port of call, now I just use the filtered newsfeed I get in the comments section here.

So what shall we talk about? Ok, how about the profit warning Puma put out the other day. The German kit maker who have already announced a a projected 23% dip in operating profit had to share further bad news on their performance. Still, like all good businesses, when the chips are down, you don’t shackle the marketing costs, you make an effort to bring in new revenue streams. Arsenal being a very, very big statement.

Talking of the kit, @LAGVILAVA7  has knocked up a very tasty iteration of what he thinks the strip should look like. He also pulled together the Le Grove Twitter backdrop. If you want to get yourself out there as a young designer, there’s no better way of doing it. The kit is probably a nicer version of something Puma haven’t even thought of.

Quite shambolic that Caught Offside have run the story and clipped the originator off the post. Bad internet practice…

Theo Walcott has spoken of the half time team talk that happened on Tuesday.

“We got a rocket, we’ll keep that in the dressing room. But it’s great that the manager has that passion and it got a bit more out of the players. We all knew how big it is, not just for the manager but the fans, the players and the club itself. It’s massive to be in the Champions League. The manager gave us a kick up the backside. I felt we did show some good play in the first half but we didn’t manage to take our chances. Thankfully we did in the second.”

Sometimes seeing the passion of the person in charge is enough to kick you into gear. Hunger is a top down thing. If you’re managing people and you take the foot off the gas, they do too… even if it’s not a conscious thing. Alex Ferguson never let that hunger disappear… which considering his age is a miracle. It’s nice to see Arsene can turn it on when it matters.

One person who won’t have mastered that art is Alan Pardew. People constantly reference how he’s signed a load of French duffers… and that many Arsenal fans were wrong to have called for them… but for me, they’re good players. It’s just they’re being badly managed. The players clearly have an issue with one season wonder Pardew… so for him to come out and say he wouldn’t care of they lost 4-0… well, it’s sports management suicide.

Anyway, back to Theo Walcott… the performance he put in the other night showed he has what it takes to be a fearsome player. Whether he was coming in from out wide or playing through the centre he played with aggression, purpose with a bucket load of confidence. You felt he was playing like he believed he was a £100k a week player. Yeah, sure, it was Wigan. But it was a high pressure game and he stood up and ensured he was counted. His stats read pretty well… 6 attempts, 4 on target with a goal to boot. His passing was a little off with 64%  accuracy off 14 attempts, but I guess a few of those would have come from failed crosses.

I think we can only look at his season as a success. He’s taken his game up a level. Does he have another level of performance within him? I’m not sure. He’s developed instinctive finishing. He hasn’t yet worked out how you play against top defences. When his pace is nullified… he has to work out what his game looks like. Players like Theirry Henry had a game for every occasion. He has to find that. Is he naturally gifted enough? Maybe not. Can he work his socks off to improve to those levels? Again…a  big maybe. It was fascinating reading the bio of Thierry Henry… he wasn’t a natural finisher in the mold of David Trezeguet. He had to work to become that good. Anything is possible if you put your mind to it. I’ve put my mind towards growing a Thierry Henry style beard… it’s fearsome. Though it has been noted I’m starting to look like a sex offender. No amount of mind magic is going to change that, so I trim could be in order.

I was reading through The Standard last night and I came across one of those smug articles journalists pen at the end of every season when Arsene makes it into the top four. ‘Arsene Wenger will be chuckling to himself after proving the doubters wrong once again’ type articles. It’s amazing how predictable some papers can be. If Wenger is chuckling to himself after a season like this, I’d be very surprised. Bumbling into the top four on the last game of the season is nothing to be smug about. It’s a serious issue if the objective of the year was to challenge for major honours. We’ve hit a serious stagnation point at the club… hopefully, after the uneasiness of this year, that will be recified. Wenger can chuckle to himself all he wants when we win the league next year by 15 points.

Anyway, rant over… I just can’t stand smug journalists picking holes in the concerns of fans who pay for their tickets.

The sun is out… enjoy the day and remember this… the football season is nearly over, which means you might actually have to pay attention to your family this summer.

… but there is the Confederations Cup… and so much beer undrunk.

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  1. Jamal

    Per Mertesacker and Laurent Koscielny are unbeaten in their last 17 starts together for Arsenal, winning 10 and drawing 7. They have conceded just four goals in their last 11 Premier League starts and not more than one goal in a game since November.

    We should build on this with better CDMs with Ramsey and Arteta as backup.

  2. gambon

    Agree Jamal,

    I think both Kos and Mert have flaws, but its logical that as a partnership it works.

    Mert wins the first ball, Kos can play in behind him and get the second ball. Kos also desperately needs an organiser next to him as he wanders sometimes, and Mert is a leader.

    I would say that with a better keeper, and a central midfield that more resembles Wengers old CMs (Petit, Parlour, Vieira, Gilberto) we would make a defensive improvement.

  3. Johnty79

    Gambon, not doubting his talent and he probably has been overplayed this season but I’m not sure the top top teams would want santi. Barca nd real hav known about him for years but never took the plunge..

    It looks like city are going to bid for santi. Would you do a swap for him and we get nasri and Richards ??

    Would you sell santi for 30m??? Wenger never takes players in part exchange which is a major error as we struggle when we get the cash and can’t spend it.

  4. gambon

    Johnty

    I just wouldnt sell him.

    We need to keep our best players, sell the dross, and buy absolute top class players.

  5. Northbank Lew

    Anyone else notice that in the latest edition of The Radio Times, Gary Neville has cited as Manager of the Season one Arsene Wenger, saying: ” If he gets Arsenal into the Champions League it will be incredible.”

    Thoughts ?

  6. Romford Pele

    Johnty,

    If you know your stuff, you’d know that Madrid had a deal tied up for him a couple seasons back and then it broke down last minute because Villarreal decided against it.

  7. Thomas, it's up for grabs now..

    Theo is.. Well, Theo.. Doesn’t have hero status.

    Bobby Pires is up there with one of my fav Arsenal players ever. Pires’ best ever season for Arsenal was 14 Goals and 10 assists.. Walcott this season? Yes.. The same!

    Are we in danger of throwing the baby out with the bathwater?

    This contribution from an attacking midfielder is under any circumstances a decent return. The problem is Pires was playing in a team of stars and this contribution was welcome when TH was banging in 30!

    Walcott deserves credit. If he can reproduce this return again we can not complain.

    Overall Pires has a better games to goals return as he was more consistent over each season. But if this is the form of Walcott going forward I’ll take that! We need to fix the other wing and the striker role.

  8. gambon

    The only possible reason Wenger could ever be considered manager of the year is for financial reasons,

    But sorry thats bollocks.

    Lets say we get 4th……..Spurs & Everton has massively out-achieved us in financial terms.

    Swansea have out achieved us massively, won a trophy and mid table finish on their budget.

    West Brom?

    What have we achieved? Embarassed in the FA Cup, embarrassed in the CC, once again bundled out of europe, and in the PL we are only ahead of teams with smaller budgets.

  9. Nasri's Mouth

    @Northbank Lew

    If we get it, it’ll only be incredible because we were a long way off earlier in the season. Don’t really think that Wenger deserves it.

    Hate to say it, I’d give it to Fergie

  10. Jamal

    gambon,

    The defence is good for now.. 2 good LBs, we need to bring in a 4th choice CB but i doubt Wenger will ( Djourou will be like a new signing). The only problem is the RB position if Sagna leaves.

    “I would say that with a better keeper, and a central midfield that more resembles Wengers old CMs (Petit, Parlour, Vieira, Gilberto) we would make a defensive improvement.”

    Yep i agree with that, we’ve got too many midgets.

  11. Raz

    Yeah Johnty, Madrid deal broke down and Barca came snooping for him, and Santi came and said ‘there’s more to life than Barcelona and Real Madrid’ or something like that.

    @Romford – surrpised you’d drop Gibbs after his game against Wigan, he was amazing.

  12. Romford Pele

    Raz,

    There’s nothing wrong with keeping Gibbs in. It’s nice that we have this competition. I’ve said before that this is the type of competition that needs to be recreated around the squad.

    My main reason for opting for the Spaniard is that I think he’s better defensively. Gibbs is great going forward, especially against teams that park the bus when we play at home, probably due to playing as a winger and CM earlier on in his career; however, i’d be more inclined to opt for Monreal due to the attacking team I’ve put forward. And he’s more positionally-sound. But I wouldn’t be unhappy if Gibbs was to start though.

  13. Raz

    @Romford fair enough, and yeah it’s amazing having two decent players in one position for once!

    This is why it gets to me that people say ‘he won’t come to be 4th choice CB’ etc – the point is the teams above us have 4 CBs who perform like first chocie when they get the nod. Man U have Rio, Vidic, Evans, Jones, Smalling – Djourou and Squid don’t even come close to their worst defender. Chelsea have Terry, Cahill, Luiz and Ivanovi, and City have Kompany, Nastacic, Lescott, Toure. All of them are better than our 4th choice. And all of them offer rotation. If all we are aiming for in the CB department is for a 4th choice then we may as well keep Djourou, but everyone knows we can’t rely on him for anything.
    Hope the Ashley Williams rumours begin to make more sense to people….

  14. TitsMcgee

    Pellegrini made comments last year that is was criminal to sell Cazorla for as little as we got him. He loves Santi.

    Having said that City already have David Silva and I’m sure Santi is priority #999 in terms of what their club needs right now.

    David Villa is a good player and that would be a good pick-up for them. Don’t think he’d help us too much though. He is winding down a little bit. We need players on the way up. Nice option off the bench for Spurs though. We need somebody ready to lead our attack.

    Wenger sells Santi this year without replacing him with at least a Cesc caliber player and he’d get dragged through the streets like Gaddafi.

  15. kjafc

    Nothbank Lew

    Brave of you to throw that one out about Gary Nevilles comments on AW. A football expert who always seems to speak common sense in conflict with a section of football fans. Lions dens time I suspect.

    The anti AW fans have been constantly saying that the Arsenal team contains a load of average players, poking fun at some of them. These same fans have been moaning that the Arsenal defence is hopeless. We have also been told that we can’t score goals. We have been hearing that we are in decline behind Spurs. Finally we have some pretty nasty abuse aimed at the so called ‘hopeless’ manager.

    Now if you are one of those fans that has been saying the above, you do have to ask yourself these questions:

    1. How on earth are Arsenal just a couple of points off Chelsea in third?
    2. How is the declining Arsenal above the improving Spurs and Gareth Bale?
    3. How have we managed to secure the second best goals against record in the PL?
    4. How have we managed to score the third largest number of goals?
    5. How did this group of players win at Bayern in Germany without conceding?
    6. Is Gary Neville right about Arsene Wenger?

    It is worth a sensible discussion, surely.

  16. Oh Theo Theo!

    City won’t buy Santi, regardless of Pellagrini, do they really need another Nasri/Silva?

    Do we? No! We need a YaYa or all of Bayern Muchich mid type – strong, powerful and, like the terminator, relentless.

    We’re too powderpuff in midfield.

  17. Snoopy

    Theo’s been brilliant this season would be a deserved winner of the Arsenal player of the year award. Oh and for those saying he never scores against the big teams Correct! that is of course if you consider 5 of the top 7 namely Man U, Chelsea, Tottenham, Everton and Liverpool not being big teams.

  18. Arsene's Nurse

    kjafc May 16, 2013 13:27:25

    1. How on earth are Arsenal just a couple of points off Chelsea in third?

    By going out of every competition early and not winning anything. Do you know what happened in Amsterdam last night? Yep, Chelsea. with an interim manager, won another trophy.

    2. How is the declining Arsenal above the improving Spurs and Gareth Bale?

    By spending £50m more on wages than the Spuds.

    3. How have we managed to secure the second best goals against record in the PL?

    After being smashed out of all competitions by such giants as Blackburn and Bradford, it was obvious that we lost a lot of games due to zero defensive training. 12 months after everyone else was screaming for Wenger to do something about it Wenger starts working on it. We were also forced to buy Monreal.

    4. How have we managed to score the third largest number of goals?

    By beating shite teams by 3 goals or more. No point beating Reading 7-4 in the cup if we lose 1-0 to rivals in the league.

    5. How did this group of players win at Bayern in Germany without conceding?

    Easy – Bayern had already won the tie by smashing us at home, so they didn’t field a full side and strolled about. Why waste energy when you are already through?

    6. Is Gary Neville right about Arsene Wenger?

    No. Neville is also a cunt.

    There you go, I think that wraps everything up nicely.

  19. Leedsgunner

    “It’s nice to see Arsene can turn it on when it matters.”

    Huh? When it matters? I’m a little confused are we playing Newcastle on the weekend for the title? Maybe it’s for the FA Cup… no? The Champions’ League?… no? Ok, surely it’s for the League Cup… yes? No! No! No! No!

    Fourth place only matters if you place AFC as a business before it is a football club. Games that really mattered for Wenger finished weeks ago.

    Why didn’t Wenger turn it on when we played Bradford? or Blackburn? or Bayern Munich when they came to the Emirates for the first leg of the Champions’ League? Why didn’t Wenger turn it on, when we were chasing the game against Swansea and Norwich this year? or for that matter when we were losing to Man United and Man City earlier in the season?

    I do hope we win against Newcastle but let’s not give Wenger any credit when we really know the team’s been winning because they have nothing else to play for. At the beginning of the season is when it matters… not with one game to go.

    It’s a disgrace that Chelsea has played with an interim manager practically all season and they’ve ended up with a trophy and the same points total as us.

    If that is not an indictment of Wenger’s utter incompetence I don’t know what is.

  20. gambon

    So who have won a trophy since Arsene last did?

    Man Utd – 5 Premier Leagues, 1 Champs League, 3 League Cups
    Chelsea – 3 Leagues, 4 FA Cups, Champs League, UEFA Cup
    Man City – League, FA Cup
    Liverpool – Champs League, FA Cup, League Cup
    Portsmouth – FA Cup
    Wigan – FA Cup
    Tottenham – League Cup
    Birmingham – League cup
    Swansea – League Cup

    Yep, Arsene is manager of the decade, forget year.

  21. Nasri's Mouth

    @Leedsgunner

    Business and football have always been inextricably linked. As for it being a disgrace that Chelsea have done what they’ve done with an interim manager, they’ve done it with an interim manager and a shit load of money

  22. Raz

    @NM shitload of money? Hardly though is it? They signed Oscar and Hazard in the summer and Ba in Jan, total £60m – which is about what you should expect to play for 3 amazing players. I’m not saying Ba is worth £20m but if you spread that £60m across 3 players, it’s not exactly a mad spending spree. I think Hazard has backed up his cost, and £20m for Oscar looks to be good business as well.

    It’s not as though Benitez went and spent a fortune. I know their spending in the last X years has been pretty wild but I wouldn’t say they went out and bought the Europa League.

  23. samsenal

    Raz, why are you only including transfers from last summer? What about the other players in that squad that cost a shed load? You forgot Marin and Moses. Luiz cost a packet. Ramires, Torres….expensive players that have arrived in the last couple of years. Let’s not pretend Chelsea are efficient in the transfer market or in anyway operating to the same rules as everyone else.

  24. samsenal

    PS all of Chelsea’s managers are interim managers. It’s not a massive disadvantage to them that an experienced manager like Benitez came in for a short stint.

  25. Kiyoshi Ito

    BERMY BOYMay 16, 2013 14:04:20
    With all those stats posted, the writings not only on the wall ,it’s all over the fuckin building.
    ———————
    Tell me about it,half the time,it’s like talking to the blind,deaf & dumb- Arsene apologist’s..
    (No disrespect to the deaf,dumb & blind,at least they would have a sense of perspective).

  26. Raz

    @Samsenal SHIT I totally forget them haha! Fair dos!

    I was just making the point that we can’t keep acting like every time Chelsea win something it’s because thy bought it. Luiz joined 3 years ago, Cahill joined 2 years ago, they’ve had manager changes galore….we have to give them some credit, I’m sure at the start of the season people were saying how they won’t gel and bla bla bla – well they gelled enough to crawl back to 3rd and win the Europa League.

    My apologies for the signings error though, didn’t feel right when I sent it but I couldn’t put a finger on who else I’d left out.

    But haven’t we bought as many players as them in the last 3 years?

  27. Kiyoshi Ito

    RazMay 16, 2013 14:10:05

    I’m not saying Ba is worth £20m
    —————————–
    Ba cost £7.5 million(apparently with a dodgy knee)..

    Still,he has done ok..

  28. Nasri's Mouth

    @Raz

    Riiiight, so it’s only those 3 players that have played for them this season then? You’re not going to include all the other players they signed that helped them win ? Who scored their first goal? how much was he? Come on, think about what you’re writing.

    And at no point did I say they bought the cup, I was pointing out that if someone is going to compare us and them saying them managed to do better than us with an interim manager, you have to include the other variables, notably an awful lot of money.

  29. Arsenal 1886-2006

    I don’t understand why clubs are accused of buying success, surely they are buying and assembling competitive squads.

    Maybe if we had gone the extra mile and bought a higher quality player in the previous years we could well have won a trophy or two along the way, this would have paid for itself with better commercial deals and more sponsors.
    Also take into consideration the sell on price of better players compared to average, you will probably recoup the initial transfer fee or better. You only have to see the list of players out on loan to realise this.

  30. Nasri's Mouth

    @Raz

    Last 5 years* transfer and wages combined Arsenal are 5th highest, Chelsea are 1st highest.

    *It might be 5 years till summer 2012, rather than including it, I doubt much has changed since then

  31. samsenal

    Raz – in my view, from this summer onwards – assuming Chelsea curb their spending a little due to FFP (*prays*) – Arsenal should be closer to Chelsea in terms of quality of signings. Perhaps it’ll take another year but we have the money to live with them now.

    But right now they have a team bought because they have had little or no care or need to worry about budgets whereas we have had a different approach.

  32. Raz

    @NM I do understand what you’re saying, I really do, and point taken. I still think we should give the players credit where it’s due. People said they would be luck to finish top 4 this year even with that squad, due to the number of new additions, the manager issues, a mis-firing Torres, reasons like that. People also said that the last 6 weeks would see them trip up, but again we are left disappointed in that they did the opposite, they’ve won almost every game despite a mad fixture list – and as Benfica showed, they can be matched and sometimes outplayed, so all I am saying is we should at least respect what the players have achieved, irrespective of spending. But I do take your point.

  33. Kiyoshi Ito

    samsenalMay 16, 2013 14:15:48

    “Ramires, Torres….expensive players ”

    “What about the other players in that squad that cost a shed load?
    Ramires, Torres….expensive players that have arrived in the last couple of years. Let’s not pretend Chelsea are efficient in the transfer market ”
    ——————
    Ramires who scored in the semi final of the 2nd leg of the CL ,last year..

    Torres,who delivered the final coup de grace in the semi-final leg against Barca in the 2nd leg of the CL 2011/12,to send them into the final..
    & eventually helped Chelsea win the CL Cup,on penalties..

    Yesterday his goal sent them on the way to becoming Europa Cup Champions..

    Yep,might have cost a shed load,but let’s look at their return in the grand scheme of things..

    They both helped deliver 2 European Cups..

    How are you now measuring efficiency..?

    Our wage bill of £150 million,with a top 4 finish?
    & no trophies to show for over 8 years..

    As I said yesterday,Chelsea have won a trophy every years since 2004/5.

    We have not since 2005..

    Something is fundamentally wrong somewhere..

    You now talk about efficiency spend& not trophies..!!

    Loser talk..

  34. Nasri's Mouth

    @Raz

    I think they’ve done very well in the last 2(?) months or so. I’m not sure the number of additions to their first 11 is any different to the competition around them though.

  35. samsenal

    Oh great, Vix is here.

    Vix, i was having a polite discussion with Raz.

    My point is that you gets what you pays for. Which i suppose is your point too….the difference between us is that i recognise the fact that Chelsea have been able to throw money around with little or no care as to whether it works or not and only Manchester City have such luxury.

    So yeah, Chelsea’s expensively assembled squad have won trophies. Of course they have….but they have not done so by unearthing gems at bargain prices have they really?

    And i think calling Torres an efficient purchase is to forget his hideous performances that have only recently become history….assuming he isn’t going through a purple patch that will disappear…

    FYI Chelsea were already going through when Torres scored against Barca.

  36. Bergkamp63

    gambonMay 16, 2013 13:59:41
    So who have won a trophy since Arsene last did?

    Man Utd – 5 Premier Leagues, 1 Champs League, 3 League Cups
    Chelsea – 3 Leagues, 4 FA Cups, Champs League, UEFA Cup
    Man City – League, FA Cup
    Liverpool – Champs League, FA Cup, League Cup
    Portsmouth – FA Cup
    Wigan – FA Cup
    Tottenham – League Cup
    Birmingham – League cup
    Swansea – League Cup

    Yep, Arsene is manager of the decade, forget year.

    You forgot to mention:
    Grays Athletic
    Stevenage Borough x 2
    Ebbsfleet Utd
    Barrow
    Darlington
    York City
    Wrexham
    Doncaster
    MK Dons
    Luton
    Southampton
    Carlisle
    Chesterfield
    Crewe.

    They have virtually all had their day out at Wembley and won a trophy since the tumbleweed that is Arsenal last won anything !

    Forget decade, Manager of the century I think !

  37. Mayank

    So £50m Torres @ £150k p/w with a return of 7 goals in 35 appearances has been a good buy.

    But £12m Giroud @ £60k p/w with a return of 11 in 33 has been a disaster.

  38. a.k.b nemesis

    With mancity bringing manuel pellegrini in,roman isco would be out of our reach,we need an attacking midfielder or winger if we plan to challenge next season.

  39. Mayank

    By the way Bayern hadn’t played a weakened team against us. Scheinsteiger was suspended following his yellow against us.

    Neuer; Lahm, Dante, Van Buyten, Alaba; Martinez, Gustavo; Muller, Kroos, Robben; Mandzukic

    Apart from Ribery who was injured/dropped and Schweini who was suspended they played their best 11.

    And we lost on away goals.

  40. Ramsey's backpass

    Mayank

    We got an early goal after alaba slipped and never looked like scoring untill gervinho came on.

    Everyone knows they (bayern) didnt switch to first gear

  41. Mayank

    RB

    Gibbs just slipped in front of Ronaldo in the CL match against Utd(in 08/09) which gave them an early advantage. We never got going after that.

  42. TitsMcgee

    Arsene is stealing money to the tune of 7.5 million every year and people are on here making excuses for him.

    What he has done the past 8 years is pathetic.

    Fired up the team before the 2nd half against Wigan?

    LOL

    Spare me.

  43. Kiyoshi Ito

    samsenalMay 16, 2013 14:50:52

    FYI Chelsea were already going through when Torres scored against Barca.
    —————————————
    & I suppose his goal last night,does not really matter,as Ivanovic scored the winner!!

    ———————————
    samsenalMay 16, 2013 14:50:52

    “Chelsea have been able to throw money around with little or no care as to whether it works or not”
    —————————-
    Yep,little or no care,as to whether it works,or not..hey?!!…

    They’ve got the full set,under RA…

    11 trophies…

    3 EPL’S
    4 FAC
    2CC
    1 CL
    1 EUROPA
    —————————
    samsenalMay 16, 2013 14:50:52

    “but they have not done so by unearthing gems at bargain prices have they really?”
    ——————————-

    So CFC,are in the market for unearthing silverware..

    & we are in the market for unearthing gems..?Right got you..

    8 years,no silverware,but according to you its about efficiency spend& unearthing gems..

    Right,so football has no become a game of unearthing gems& having efficiency in terms of transfer spend..??

    Got yah..!!

    PS
    Again,Loser talk…

  44. Inter YourGran

    How long do you need to be a red member before being offered the upgrade to silver? I’ve forgotten :(

  45. Ramsey's backpass

    Mayank

    nice logic

    did we win the first leg?.i remember john o’shea’s goal

    prior to that match,i dont think we defeated them that season

    ah,ronaldo’s freekick

  46. Raz

    I am almost beyond caring about who we sign, who we sell, and how much we spend. All I want to feel, for the first time in nearly a decade, is that we could win the league when I look at our squad as it stands on august 1st.

    Considering how bad we have been for much of this season, the defensive and attacking stats (almost a mystery) show that we could so easily have challenged if Wenger had actually managed to get anywhere the best out of his players, despite looking on paper as though they would never have challenged.

    So please, Wenger, for the love of God, buy some good players this summer, some players of guaranteed quality, and give us something to look forward to. I don;t know a single gooner who expected us to challenge for the league after last summer.

  47. KJafc

    Mayank

    You are spot on about Bayern.

    Why a minority of Arsenal fans cannot accept that we beat Bayern Munich fair and square in their own ground is beyond me. I cheered like crazy and was really proud of that performance of the boys and the club I support and always will, through thick and thin.

    Bayern did not take it easy, neither did they play a weakened team, Why would they? I wish so called fans would stop making up rubbish. They lost because Arsenal and their manager were better than them on the day.

    I suspect some on here will not give credit because it contradicts their misconception that we are a rubbish team with a rubbish. We have neither.

  48. samsenal

    Vix – astonishingly, you have misunderstood the nature of a conversation that you butted into. Must be a first.

    You are also attributing views to me that i don’t hold….
    Stop. Just stop.

  49. Arsenal 1886-2006

    Mental Strength.

    I wouldn’t say we unearthed Fab, we just offered his family money and they took it. Barca were furious and because of the laws in Spain they could not offer financial inducements as we did.

    This is from 2011.
    ‘Footballers in Spain are not permitted to sign professional contracts until their 18th birthday – a rule Arsenal first took advantage of in 2003 by signing Cesc Fabregas from Barcelona when he was 16.

    Arsenal’s persistent efforts to cherry-pick Barcelona’s promising talent has riled the European champions and president Sandro Rosell branded Arsenal’s move for Toral Harper as ‘legal but immoral’.

  50. KJafc

    Tits McGee
    8 years and no trophies true but we have a magnificent 60,000 seater stadium, revenue that now puts us up there with only Barca, Real, Bayern and Man Utd and a solid financial foundation that enables us to compete for years to come. With the new sponsorship deals coming into place, make no mistake we are now a giant that can compete in the long term.

    Now we have the money, I totally agree it needs to be spent on polished players and not polishing turds. I believe we will be returning to the top and staying there.

  51. KJafc

    Oh and that is a brilliant shirt by whoever mocked that up, about time we made more of that canon. Beats the hell out of that choking chicken down the road.

  52. Kiyoshi Ito

    Toli83May 16, 2013 15:02:56

    Toli83,it’s like banging your head against a brickwall..Sooner,or later one will incur brain damage..

    & eventually start spouting some of the bollocks you hear on here,about efficiency spend & we are doing fine..!!

    Let’s set up a parallel competition,along Mr Wenger’s philosophy..

    Just for Mr Wenger..
    All clubs,have the same amount of money,play his type of heaven knows football..
    Forget about defense..& if you score 4,we will score 5..

    It’s absolutely pathetic,some of the guys on here.

    Talking about everything- top 4,stadium debt & FFP..Everything but silverware& how can we be competitive?!!

    Oh FFP,will rein in Mancs& Chelski,then we can compete..

    Just smacks of loser talk,from the Mr Wenger apologists..!!

    We can’t even win a COC,as a starting point!!

  53. samsenal

    Kjafc – most importantly, we can now pay for top players ourselves without help from a Rich benefactor.

  54. Kiyoshi Ito

    Samsarsenal
    You are also attributing views to me that i don’t hold….
    ————————
    All your views,I highlighted were taken from your post,segment,by segment..
    see..”samsenalMay 16, 2013 14:50:52″

    What,are you having a brain seizure?

  55. Kiyoshi Ito

    RazMay 16, 2013 16:19:43
    Any danger we can have one day on the comments section without arguing?
    ——————
    Yep,when Mr Wenger leaves,through the back door!!

  56. samsenal

    Vix how about a situation where a club can only spend what it earns? How about a situation where if a club spends vast sums on Mutu, Shevchenko and Kezman and they flop then that club is in trouble and can’t go and spend £30m of their owner’s pocket change to get someone else in?

    That is all Arsenal fans want: that clubs live and die by their decisions. If that situation existed Chelsea would have won nothing.

    Chelsea are Roman FC, nothing more.

  57. Arsenal 1886-2006

    KJafc.

    Chelsea revenue is higher than ours £322.6m against our £290.3m.
    They will also be looking to increase their sponsor deals, which they should achieve due to their recent successes.
    And Man City are just behind us by a couple of million, so the figures that we have look good until we take into consideration the fact that other clubs will be looking to increase their revenue streams in the next couple of years.

  58. afturburn

    “Perhaps it’ll take another year but we have the money to live with them now.”

    From what I’ve heard, we’ve had more money to spend in past years and didn’t spend it. It sounds like that money will actually be spent a bit this summer, but even if we do, what’s not to say we buy another three Gervinhos?

    And its presumptuous to say we can compete with Chelsea on terms of spending from here on out. Regardless of what happens this summer, that’s no guarantee that we’ll spend money next year or the year after, even if FFP restricts the movement of some of the other oil-rich teams.

  59. samsenal

    1886, Chelsea’s revenues have increased off the back of outrageous Abramovich spending…and the resultant success. City’s revenues are massively distorted by the Etihad deals that pay way over the odds for a club that have won 1 league and 1 FA Cup in 500 years.

    Arsenal have done it all off their own backs.

    We could have done better with the money we had but i see far too many people take the club’s achievements (new stadium, fantastic new sponsorship and ad kit deals) for granted whilst rolling around on the message boards wa@nking over Chelsea and their Roman prizes.

  60. Raz

    Incredible that Chelsea have higher rev than us. They have lower ticket prices and £20’000 fewer seats in their ground. Anyone know the value of the comm deals?

  61. Kiyoshi Ito

    samsenalMay 16, 2013 16:28:21
    Vix how about a situation where a club can only spend what it earns?

    That is all Arsenal fans want: that clubs live and die by their decisions. If that situation existed Chelsea would have won nothing.
    ——————–
    This is what I mean,you are deluded..

    The situation is this,or should I say the reality is that the top club’s are spending,more than they earn & winning..

    Wake up..

    You are looking at football from the prism of what could be?

    Not the reality on the ground…

    Until that situation is fixed,either adapt,or die!!

    CFC,have now overtaken us,as the dominant club in London..
    Fact…The full set of trophies…
    3 EPLS
    4 FACS
    2CC
    1 CL
    1 EUROPA(lets’not forget the other UEFA CWC&UEFA SC)

    We only have history to look back on,whilst CFC,are busying recreating history,as we speak.
    Fact

    PS
    I think most Arsenal fans,would like to see us,try & compete, on the pitch consistently..not the battle for top 4,every season..

    & compete for WC signings,not the Giroud’s& Gervinho’s of this world..

  62. samsenal

    Raz, their numbers include the miraculous burglary of a Champion’s League victory and the associated TV money. I think that was worth £60m in total (may have plucked that figure from my @rse)

    Fairly sure ours doesn’t include the new deals we’ve signed this season…

    When they get their new stadium they will be well up there, Gazidis and co need to work their @rses off between now and then.

  63. KJafc

    Samsenal

    Absolutely. The point is the more you earn the more you spend. The Football landscape has changed with these sugar daddies. We chose a path to generate substantial levels of income by building a stadium, redeveloping highbury without hocking the club. It has nothing to do with FFP. . This is about simple economics. The more you earn, the more you spend. No different than running you own home.

    To take on Chelsea and Man City, you either get a rich owner or you increase your ability to generate the money required to compete. If we had not done this, we would be forever selling our best players. They are fine while the rich owner writes off the debt. But when he doesn’t disaster.

    A short term sacrifice for the long term benefit, which I support. As I work in corporate finance I wear a different hat to some fans and believe what the club has built for the future is phenomenal. Still doesn’t mean I have been disappointed though.

    Amazes me how people can sit in that magnificent stadium and then ignore it by claiming we have achieved nothing for eight years. The size of the place, how can you ignore it exists!

  64. samsenal

    Vix Manchester United don’t spend more than they earn. In fact they pay off those ugly American’s debts AND win the title. So no, i don’t accept that the Chelsea City way is here to stay.

    Certainly, it shouldn’t be.

    Chelsea are buying history, not making it.

    Chelsea are also hoping FFP will have no teeth. They are praying.

    I think Arsenal fans will see us start to buy better players than Gervinho from now on. WE will be able to afford to buy fantastic players ourselves and still adhere to any rules the authorities throw at us.

    Call me all the names you wish Vix, but i refuse to accept that Uzmanov is the only way we can compete in the future.

  65. KJafc

    Kiyoshi,

    “Adapt or die?”

    Albeit by accident but you have hit the nail on the head.
    Arsenal had to adapt. They had to find a way to compete with the sugar daddy clubs or spend their life as a selling club for the rich owners to plunder. Finally they have done it I am excited about the future.

  66. Goongoonergone

    gambonMay 16, 2013 13:59:41
    So who have won a trophy since Arsene last did?

    Man Utd – 5 Premier Leagues, 1 Champs League, 3 League Cups
    Chelsea – 3 Leagues, 4 FA Cups, Champs League, UEFA Cup
    Man City – League, FA Cup
    Liverpool – Champs League, FA Cup, League Cup
    Portsmouth – FA Cup
    Wigan – FA Cup
    Tottenham – League Cup
    Birmingham – League cup
    Swansea – League Cup

    Hi Gambon
    I think Arsenal has won eight trophies in the last eight seasons if my memory serves me correctly.
    Eight 3rd or 4th place trophies, mate.
    Not bad for a manager who gets paid the highest salary in
    British soccer.
    Not bad for a manager whose team often plays with the brakes on.
    Not bad for a manager who does no defensive training.
    Not bad for a manager who has no game plan for his opponents.
    Not bad for a manager whose philosophy is tippa tappy inside the box and walk the ball in the net.
    Not bad for a manager …
    Not bad for a manager …
    And the list goes on …

  67. Kiyoshi Ito

    KJafcMay 16, 2013 16:42:45
    “The more you earn,the more you spend..”
    ———————————–

    &you work in corporate finance??

    It shows…Always looking for value for money..A cheap deal here,a cheap deal there..

    “The more you earn,the more you spend..”

    Well in footballing terms,what’s the point of having all that cash in the bank,from Arsenal’s perspective..?

    What to save for a rainy day..?!!

    It’s been almost 8 years now…

    What are we waiting for..Hurricaine Katrina MK II

  68. zeus

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  69. samsenal

    Kjafc i can’t stand the simple fans who can only think short-term black-and-white. As you say, we are nicely set up to be a powerful force and stand on our own two feet.

    We should have done better on the pitch, the manager needs to take a long hard look at himself…but for all our supposed sh;tness we stand a decent chance of finishing above Chelsea for the 2nd year in a row, certainly within a coupe of points of them.

  70. Nasri's Mouth

    @Samsenal

    Depending on how strongly FFP is policed, we’re probably approaching the time where having Usmanov’s billions available wouldn’t be any advantage. Even if would spend them on us if he could of course

  71. SUGA3

    Kjafc,

    it is all well and good, but wage expenditure wise we are already pretty much up there, and the misappropriation of funds on show is absolutely ridiculous, only now we can jettison some of the dead wood by simply not extending their overblown contracts and telling them to go forth…

    I can’t help but not trust Wenger with money after the last few years, numbers wise, we have a massive squad, but so what if we only play about 14 players until the fatigue and injuries kick in and we throw in not one or two (which we should do regularly to keep them fresh and integrated with the team and manage the first choices’ fitness) but three or four ‘team B’ players who lack match fitness and understanding with the team and inevitably drop points as a result?

    the ‘socialist’ wage structure needs to be scrapped and we should pay the players accordingly,

  72. Ade

    Wow! I’m loving that golden shirt with the huge cannon emblazoned across the front! Brilliant creativity, super fresh design! I love it! Puma seriously need to sign this guy up as its 50 times better than anything Nike have produced!
    As always my daily read has been as interesting and entertaining as ever.
    Loving it!
    Ade

  73. Kiyoshi Ito

    KJafcMay 16, 2013 16:52:29

    Arsenal had to adapt. They had to find a way to compete with the sugar daddy clubs or spend their life as a selling club for the rich owners to plunder. Finally they have done it I am excited about the future.

    —————————

    Yep,we find our way adapting with the mid-lower tier league clubs..West Brom,Everton,Swansea,Spurs& their ilk..

    & guess what,sooner or later,if we don’t step out of neutral,they will overtake us..

    On another note,you allude to the fact that we’ve struggled with the sugar daddies..

    How do you then explain,how we’ve struggled with such paupers ,i.e.Bradford’s,Blackburns,B’hams in Cup competitions?

    Let me guess,those cups are beneath us.?

    It’s all about the CL& EPL,that we stand no chance of winning?

    But’s it’s like a chick from a council estate,wanting to rub shoulders with the A-Celebs at the Cannes festival..

    Just to give the illusion,that we are top dog!!

    Does wonders for one’s ego,you know?!!
    If anything,an air of superiority..!!

  74. samsenal

    Suga3 you are right about the wages. Absolutely.

    NM – This Uzmanov fella……be he the same Pirate that wanted the club to pay it’s share holders dividends?

    So…if FFP IS implemented he won’t be able to help – as you say – AND he has previously stated a desire to pay himself from the club’s money.

    Oh, i think we should sell our souls to him. He sounds ace.

  75. samsenal

    Vix – what do you think Kjafc and I are defending? You have this weird habit of arguing with things no one has said.

    We are not talking about shameful losses to Accrington Stanleys, we are ONLY addressing the fact that people on these boards m@sterbate over Chelsea’s Sugar-Daddy achievements whilst completely misunderstanding what Arsenal have been doing up to this point.

    For the millionth time: We should have done MUCH better on the pitch.

    But don’t forget how close we are to your precious Chelsea in the league.

  76. KJafc

    Arsenal 1886-2006

    True. But that includes a kit deal, for example that earns them more than our existing one and an extra TV rev of around £30 million. Revenue is one of those things that will fluctuate, there will be a substantial increase to our figures with sponsorship deals on the way. Trophies will also have an effect and Chelsea’s CL success has helped them. When we start tasting success again, it will increase.

    However, you must also take into account the level of debt, it isn’t just about revenue., incoming versus outgoings.

    Chelsea are in debt to the tune of £880 Million. That is a massive negative of £600 million and very scary. Hence why Fifa and the like are getting so nervous and we have the FFP issue.

    Arsenal turnover will increase with the new sponsorships, but we only have debt of around £95 million and decreasing fast. So we are in the black to the tune of £147 Million. (Also, the debt Arsenal have is ‘good’ debt which means it is being paid off at low rates. As you know, financing bad debt is expensive and you pay more to do so).

    Man Utd have a debt of £366 million but that was created by te Glaziers and is being paid off, like ours.

    To put that all into perspective, Arsenal are in a fantastic position. It would be wrong to ignore this achievement. It is quite amazing really when you consider we not only had to finance the stadium but we also had the problem of financing the redevelopment of Highbury.

    Over achieving with the CL helped massively too.

    I am in no way trying to defend some of the managers decisions, signings or player wages, However I cannot have this major achievement brushed under the carpet. We should be proud of this.

    However, having the money is one thing but how you spend it is another.

  77. SUGA3

    samsenal,

    Usmanov probably just said he would like dividends just to give the BOD a little nudge to give him a seat and negotiate with him, he has not actually taken any so far, has he?

    and there is one potential gain from having a sugardaddy, he can easily pay off the stadium debt in one go, this is exempt from FFP calculations as infrastructure expenditure, that way we would have an extra £20M to play with year in year out…

  78. Nasri's Mouth

    @samsenal

    Well, it’s not to say Usmanov wouldn’t be able to help us, he’s clearly a very good businessman, or at least he employs people who are, (let’s not forget that Kroenke is too) so he might be able to help us commercially, or of course he might not.
    And that’s my concern. Usmanov has never actually promised to invest anything into the club, and his press releases sound like party political broadcasts.
    I don’t want Usmanov, but I don’t want Kroenke either

  79. KJafc

    SUGA3
    Totally agree about the socialist wage structure. That is madness, you pay people what they are worth, simple. That is one of the things that rally frustrates me, bad enough we sign average players but another that we pay them over the odds. These players are having a laugh.

    Kyoshi
    “&you work in corporate finance?? It shows.. Always looking for value for money..A cheap deal here,a cheap deal there”.

    What? I think you confuse corporate finance with a market trader, like Del Boy. This proves that you can have no valuable input on how the club competes financially, with this level of ignorance. You have made yourself sound ridiculous, again. What is it with you ad these petty insults?

  80. tom

    I doubt AW is chuckling with satisfaction, though if results go our way this weekend he’ll be smiling. I think it important to note that this season ( like many recent ones ) AFC has had to integrate new players and adapt it’s system to them. Dodgy starts and relatively strong finishes reflect this. Yes, other teams have the same situation but mostly their new aquisitions are augmentations, not replacements for main men. So in my view that mitigates our slow starts a little.
    Glad to see Ramsey getting a little praise of late. He does have a little Ray P about him and those with long memories will know how much flak the pizza boy got in his early years at the club till Wenger found a way to help him improve.

    Finally, I wonder why this dollop of shit is a top story on News Now today as it was posted in march?

    http://arsenaltruth.squarespace.com/arsenal-truth/2013/2/24/wenger-wastes-310m-in-5-years.html

  81. KJafc

    SUGA3

    I do not want this club run by a sugar daddy. Although I understand how in previous years this would have helped us, this argument is irrelevant now. We have reached the end of the cycle and finally have the money required to compete, so we do not need him. I have an issue with this glory hunter type concept and personally prefer to build success through a club I identify with. I do not identify with Russian oil men.

  82. Goongoonergone

    BREAKING NEWS!!!
    Arsene Wenger has just agreed to the twenty million pound transfer of our trophy cabinet to Ashley Cole.

  83. samsenal

    Suga3, NM, Kjafc yeah Uzmanov hasn’t taken money out yet…but he hasn’t had a say because he isn’t on the board.

    the point about him paying of the stadium debt is a pertinent one and it would have been a nice move by Kroenke to have done it. The point is, with SK we know what you get – nothing. Sure, i’m sure there’s some top guys working for the business but as far as transfer spending goes it’s clear SK will not invest his own money, Fine. Or not.

    With Uzmanove, as NM said, we know nothing about what he will do. Just his words. And if his ability to help us on the pitch with a £500m cash injection is negated by FFP then i don’t see hi as a risk worth taking.

    Arsenal have been building towards a scenario where we can compete with the richer clubs with our own money.

    We are about to enter year 1 of our comeback…in my opinion (with fingers crossed).

  84. tom

    I have mixed feelings about our wage structure. I see it’s merits and it’s drawbacks. Curious if anyone knows at what point in Wenger’s era it was adopted?

  85. Nasri's Mouth

    @SUGA3

    Simple question? Ha, it’s not. I honestly don’t know.

    If you forced me, I’d probably go forUsmanov, but wish I hadn’t immediately

  86. SUGA3

    tom,

    drawbacks:

    – top players leaving
    – shit players become unmovable assets
    – young players have little to aspire to
    – we are pretty much the only club that does that, no point in reinventing the wheel

    advatages?

    eeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrr…

  87. Nasri's Mouth

    @Tom

    I think pretty soon after Wenger joined Arsenal he was pushing for better contracts for some of the players.
    I can understand the concerns over the rank and file being pissed off with the superstars being paid shed loads more and strolling around the pitch, (it’s been a massive problem at QPR) but I think Wenger took it too far.

  88. Kiyoshi Ito

    samsenalMay 16, 2013 17:03:55
    but for all our supposed sh;tness we stand a decent chance of finishing above Chelsea for the 2nd year in a row, certainly within a coupe of points of them.
    —————————————

    CFC finished 6th last year,how many games did they play?

    In total..?61 games
    38 games EPL
    3 CC games
    7 FAC games& won the FAC
    13 CL games& won the CL

    How many games did AFC play? 54 games

    38 EPL games
    10 CL games(knocked out in Feb,by Milan)
    3 FAC cup games(knocked out by S’land in Feb 2012)
    3 CC games(knocked out by Man City in Nov 2011)

    & what did we end up with?
    Zilch,zero,despite having half of February to focus on the EPL..

    What was RA’s,main goal?
    CL..Which they won+1 FAC

    What was Mr Wenger’s goal?
    Top 4?

    This year,how many games have CFC played? So far 57 games

    37 EPL games,so far
    5 COC games
    6 CL games
    9 Europa games (& won)

    What did they win?
    Europa Cup..

    CFC Finish 2012/13
    B/w 3rd&4th?

    Our aim this season 2012/13..
    Top 4..

    How many games have we played?
    52 games

    37 EPL games,so far
    3 COC games,bombed out by Bradford on pens,in Dec 2012
    4 FAC games,bombed out in Feb 2013,by B’Burn
    8 CL games,done in Feb 2013

    & what have we won..?Zilch,zero..Again

    So if we finish above them,or below them..

    By your reasoning,it’s a good season..?

    Even though,we have usually,like a Feb headstart on our main competitors,once we are bombed out of every competition known to man..

    Whilst,they are busying fighting on all fronts,till the end of the season,with no rest..

    Got you…

    No trophies for us,but we finished above them last season,despite them winning the WC equivalent(in terms of CL-European football)..

    & should the same happen this season..
    Given they’ve bagged a Europa Cup.

    Job done for us..!!

  89. Arsenal 1886-2006

    samsenal May 16, 2013 16:36:53
    ‘1886, Chelsea’s revenues have increased off the back of outrageous Abramovich spending…and the resultant success.’

    I would say he invested but that is a moot point, he spent shed loads of his money and now the club and fans are reaping the rewards, and chelsea are looking likely to become self sustainable.
    We on the other hand took out a massive mortgage (we didn’t have the money) to build a stadium. What is the difference between Abramovich spending money on his business to make it bigger and us taking out a monster loan to make us bigger? A debt is a debt is it not, and this is a business after all.

    ‘City’s revenues are massively distorted by the Etihad deals that pay way over the odds for a club that have won 1 league and 1 FA Cup in 500 years. Arsenal have done it all off their own backs.’

    I agree with the City scenario in certain respects but whether they were successful in the past is irrelevant, they are looking to the future and are competing in a City with a behemoth on their doorstep.

    I would like to see football clubs spending only what they earn but those does are gone, this is a global business and business rules apply.
    It is also the way of most of the world. How many people have credit cards and outrageous debt, always buying on the never never and on extravagant things they do not need nor can afford?
    Football is unfortunately no different.

  90. KJafc

    Tom
    Good post. Ignore that kind of rubbish, some Arsenal fans are an embarrassment with the way all they want to do is kick us like our rivals. They just go out of their way to find something negative to say.

    It has been a great day today, good debate and free of profanity.

    Samsenal
    Agree. The proof is there for all to see but it has been a painful path. The future starts at the end of this season and we should be very excited.

  91. samsenal

    tom i’m with Suga3. It’s a nice idea but today, these young men are far far too greedy to give themselves up to Wenger’s “Family” approach. Anyone decent, that can win us something will leave us and we’ll be (we are) stuck with over paid dross.

    As such, you don’t win anything and more players leave.

    Team spirit and “i owe the manager a debt” only lasts for so long, just ask Fabregas and RvP.

  92. KJafc

    Arsenal 1886 -2006
    You are wrong, a debt is not a debt.

    Some debt is serviceable, some is not.

    Chelsea’s debt is not serviceable by the club. If the owner does not write it off, the club would have to sell its assets to pay it off. If it still falls short it is liquidated. thsi is exactly why FFP is around, to prevent clubs going bust and fans paying the price.

    Arsenals debt is serviced by the club. It is repaid by the club.

    Too much is misunderstood about this subject.

  93. Arsenal 1886-2006

    Tim Payton of the supporters’ trust admitted his concern afterwards. “We all suspect that [Kroenke] might take money out of the club,” Payton said, “and Stan Kroenke gave no commitment not to take dividends out of the club.”

  94. Kiyoshi Ito

    KJafcMay 16, 2013 17:53:14

    & you think FFP really has teeth?

    Love to see Platini bang PSG to rights on this one?

  95. Arsenal 1886-2006

    kjafc.

    It is serviceable while you remain competitive, if there was a sudden downturn in our fortunes it could well drag us down. But I take your point and accept your judgement as you may be more savvy on these things and deal with them daily.

    And Abram has written off chelseas debt, they are debt free for a year or two.

  96. samsenal

    1886 – it SHOULD change though. And there is currently an attempt to change it. Whether it works or not is another matter.

    The difference between our approach and Chelsea’s? We have done it on our own, Chelsea haven’t. Abramovich has allowed a sh;tty little club to buy quick success and behave like they are Real Madrid and Manchester United in the transfer market.

    They are in massive debt. Massive.

    But as you point out, it’s written off. He has invested to build a cash positive business. Okay.

    Can you see why it is frustrating to hear Arsenal “fans” getting all moist over Chelsea when they have literally bought titles? To hear people talk, Chelsea are the embodiment of how a club should be.

    That makes me want to vomit.

    When we are all dead, Arsenal will still be here. I hope future fans will look back on how we planned and achieved success from 2014 with pride and (here comes the Keegan bit – Kevin, not Michelle) i would LOVE it if City and Chelsea couldn’t keep up with us because they were no longer allowed to buy titles.

    Now i’m the one getting moist.

  97. Kiyoshi Ito

    KJafcMay 16, 2013 17:53:14

    Out of curiosity KLafc..What’s your role in Corporate Finance?

    Apart from being a pen pusher?

    M&A?Looking at EPS,Growth?B/S?P&L?

  98. Nasri's Mouth

    @Arsenal 1886-2006

    Massive difference between Chelsea’s ‘investment’ and ours. We’re paying ours back, Chelsea aren’t, and won’t be able to. Roman has written off their debt, we’re not in the position of being able to do the same thing.

  99. Arsenal 1886-2006

    Samsenal.

    I don’t believe fans think that the Chelsea model is the right one but it is the one we are competing against.
    City, KFC, Anzhi and Monaco to name a few are doing the same, and I really do believe that FFP was dreamt up to stop smaller clubs from one day competing against the established order.

    Some might go bust but that is business as far as the owners are concerned, they don’t give a toss about the fans and traditions.

  100. samsenal

    I don’t think smaller clubs will never be able to compete. However, they will need to run themselves well, make the right managerial decisions, sign the right players, sell the right players. Keep doing it year after year. It will be difficult. Nearly impossible…but some will do it.

    The rules should reward clubs that are run well, not the ones that have the richest owner.

    Swansea must be looking at Everton next season and thinking “we can take them”.

  101. Kiyoshi Ito

    KJafcMay 16, 2013 17:53:14

    Okay pen-pusher Kjafc,how do you value a company from your corporate finance capacity?

  102. Kushagra

    Bayern-Arsenal was a pretty dopey match. Bayern weren’t clear about their approach, won’t read much from that game.
    Bottom line is our squad is full of squad players need much better