Jack Wilshere lands on the world scene

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Well, whaddya know… England, beating Brazil… Jack Wilshere… stealing the show.

I didn’t get the chance to watch the game last night, but from all the accounts I’ve been taking in this morning, it sounds like Mr Wilshere really announced himself on the world scene last night. People have been comparing him to the Gazza of old, which is huge positive. It’s also great to see him take his Arsenal form into an England game. Not something you could ever really say of Stevie G and Frank Lampard over the years. Hopefully he can bring a bit of joy in summer tournaments going forward.

I think what I like most about reading around is that 1) It’s quite apparent that Jack Wilshere is a big game player, he proved it against Barca and he’s done it again against Brazil. He’s not afraid to put himself about against the best 2) He’s actually quite composed. Considering how badly he gets battered around in games, he’s got an incredibly cool head. He gets involved in scraps, but he’s learnt quickly how far he can push things. A show of intelligence Gazza certainly didn’t have,

News on the injury front is potentially not so good. Firstly, we have Santi Cazorla coming back from Qatar. I mean, honestly, is it just me or do the Spanish FA go out of their way to book tours anywhere but Europe? He’ll likely be tired from the long flight which could affect whether he starts. Aaron Ramsey was withdrawn before his game for Wales, Koscielny was taken off for France with a suspected calf injury and word on the street says Theo Walcott might not be in the best of shape.

Hopefully none of the above injuries will be too serious… it’d be a hell of a break if they were.

There’s really hardly any news around this morning. I don’t even want to get into the comments Pearce made about bringing Jack along to the under 21 championships. It simply shouldn’t be allowed. He’s putting himself before the well being of a great player. This is where clubs should be allowed to step in. Essentially, the player is their asset… yet football associations are allowed to send them into the red zone and beyond. It’s a terribly selfish mechanic. The clubs have the money, the money generally comes from the fans regardless of whether it’s TV… they should have

Did I just get into the Pearce comments?

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  1. Dan Ahern

    Keyser — Fair point, but when? He got extended in ’09 after a 20 goal / 44 appearance season. (08-09)

    So when exactly would we cut our losses there? Year before (07-08) when he only managed 23 games perhaps? But then again he still had 3 years left on his deal at that point, and Ade was banging ’em in. Plus he scored 9 in those 23 games. He wasn’t bereft of talent until recently you know.

  2. VIX AFFAIR

    KeyserFebruary 7, 2013 18:03:40
    Johnny5 – Don’t really think that matters, for years the club more than matched his ambition and he sat on the sidelines earning a fat wage, so he wasn’t a hero.
    ——————————————————–
    KeyserFebruary 7, 2013 17:24:29

    I’d say we were in credit with Van Persie, you need to put yur feelings aside and look at it clincally, at best, AT BEST, Van Persie’s just another snivelling component
    —————————————————–

    A footballer’s career is a short career..Usually 10 years max,if they are lucky..

    RVP had been at AFC for almost 8 years..

    Top,top player’s at the end of their career’s,want to be able too reflect back on their careers & trade war stories with their freinds & colleague’s about trophies,in their lap of supreme luxury..

    Zindine:I won God know’s how many Club trophie’s & WC&Euro’s..The list is endless my friends..

    Henry:Yes,I won God know’s how many trophies too.
    LaLigue,CL,CWC,WC&Euro,Prem’s,etc,etc..

    Vieira:Yes,me too..I won trophies.Too many too list,but I had zee good run..
    At the last count about 20+club trophies..
    Zindane,let’s not start with the WC & Euro’s..HAHHAA

    Cole:Oh well..I’m with Vieira,I’ve lost count..about 15 trophie’s I think..
    But I know I have a CL cup,somewhere in that list of FAC,EPL&CC’s

    Cesc:Well that move to Barca-La Liga,really set the cat amongst the pigeons..4 cup’s in my first season.
    I think my move to Barca,was ok..

    Eboue:Yeah tell me about it Cesc-I’ve got a Super Turkish League Cup,in my first season’s move their..& another Turkish cup.

    RVP(still@AFC):Hmm..I’ve got 1 FAC & some other shite..1 UEFA with Feynoord..

    Cue laughter all around at RVP..
    “What were you thinking,staying at AFC all those years..”

    The point is Arsene& AFC,neither provided the platform in his latter year’s of his career,or were willing too,in order to achieve the “supposed”twin-aims of both parties wanting to win trophies..i.e. buying quality player’s & AFC supplanting their ambition of qualifying for 4th,by actually trying to compete for trophies..

    RVP wanted trophie’s,the club clearly thought otherwise.

    How is RVP in credit to Arsenal..?

    It’s a business,not a fucking charity…

  3. marcus

    “I noticed that the dynamic range between what an average person could accomplish and what the best person could accomplish was 50 or 100 to 1.Given that, you’re well advised to go after the cream of the cream….A small team of A+ players can run circles around a giant team of B and C players.“—Steve Jobs

  4. marcus

    “We’ve interviewed people where nine out of ten employees thought the candidate was terrific, one employee really had a problem with the candidate, and therefore we didn’t hire him.”—Steve Jobs

  5. marcus

    “Being the richest man in the cemetery doesn’t matter to me. Going to bed at night saying we’ve done something wonderful, that’s what matters to me.”—Steve Jobs

  6. marcus

    “For the past 33 years, I have looked in the mirror every morning and asked myself: ‘If today were the last day of my life, would I want to do what I am about to do today?’ And whenever the answer has been ‘No’ for too many days in a row, I know I need to change something.”—Steve Jobs

  7. fuckit4thwilldo?

    I’m not sure where RVP is officially on the cuntometer, all i know is it pains me watching him celebrating with the likes of Rio and shrek, i would honestly rather watch a clinically obese old man with dangerous skin issues thoroughly talc himself up after a hot bath. And maybe lend a hand.

  8. Keyser

    I’m not saying he was bereft of talent, It’s just pathetic to hold him up as a hero, all you have to do really is go back over the comments, or even Pedro posts to see the angst his injuries caused us.

    In 2010 I think it was, people were almost expecting him to get injured around November because it was becoming the norm, not sure if it was the Chiellini one, but he lived up to expectation and was out again after an International break.

    It’s up to you really, you were saying from a footballing perspective, all I remember is defending him on here saying it was bad luck, they were impact injuries and you had people saying he’s a crock and so on, he’ll never stay fit.

    and now it’s been turned on it’s head, supposedly Wenger mismanaged him, it was the coaching staff and so on.

    Wenger kept faith in him, when others didn’t, and when we needed him to repay that faith he used it to his own advantage and did what was best for himself.

  9. marcus

    aaaaand here is why RvP left:

    Talented people know other talented people.
    Steve often said, “Make sure you’re hiring only A-players.” Hire a few B-players, he said, and they hire B’s and C’s, and pretty soon the whole operation is going to pot. Obviously not everyone can afford to hire only A-players. So how do you find people who are exceptionally talented and a good fit? One of the greatest sources is your own employees. Really sharp people generally prefer the company of other really sharp people. When you need to hire someone, you ask the people on the team to recommend somebody they admire.

  10. Alex James

    William89 Well put. The one club over the years that has consistently spoiled our party is Utd. RVP knows that most Arsenal fans hate Utd but still went there. I don’t blame him for leaving particularly but to go there was unacceptable to me and millions of fans like me world wide.

  11. Joppa Road

    The only c*** on here William is you by the looks of things. Don’t blame the likes of Cole, RVP etc when it’s as clear as day the fault of Wenger and the club.

    Most Arsenal fans I know thoroughly back RVP. Shame the fans can’t wake up. 20 years of nothing coming up otherwise.

  12. VIX AFFAIR

    Keyser
    Wenger kept faith in him, when others didn’t, and when we needed him to repay that faith he used it to his own advantage and did what was best for himself.
    ——————————————————-
    Because Arsene,was banking on RVP,lowering his ambition’s & settling for “4th place is a trophy” & inevitably running RVP into the ground for season’s to come..

    Doing the bare minimum in term’s of investment in quality players..

    RVP questioned his direction & subsequently it was felt,there was no common ground..

    So whether he was sold,or left is besides the point.

    There was a clear dichotomy in both parties ambition’s..

    Let’s put it another way..

    You are with your g/friend..She support’s you through rough times..In the beginning,you decide both your ambition’s are that you both want good job’s,a house & kid’s..

    She’s nurses,you through a bad accident for some year’s..Once you recover,you continue from where you left off..

    Trying to achieve those initial ambitions..House,Family,etc,etc..

    In b/w your g/friend decides,she does not want a house no more,or a family..

    But want’s too go to a hippy commune& live a life of a hand to mouth existence..
    Which is at odds with your/couple’s perceived ambitions..

    What do you do..?
    Sacrifice your job & your ambitions,because she now decides she want’s to be a hippy,living on a communal farm..Growing organic potatoes& sharing with the rest of the commune..?

    In any event,you decide,nope I want the initial ambition’s we spoke about,at the start of this r’ship..

    You leave,since she disagrees,about the direction of the relationship..

    So what then, you’re a c**nt,for leaving,because she nursed you through your accident?
    What you owe her?Despite her fucked up career change?
    Growing vegetables on a communal farm…

  13. Keyser

    What are you on about ? So Van Persie didn’t want to become a hippy ?!

    Heh.

    Think about it, in 2008 we were 4 points from top and we were where in other competitions, Van Persie stays fit, we maybe lift the title, players like Hleb and Flamini stay.

    The extra wealth, maybe even further progression in the Champions League, increases status and we buy in a higher quality of player to supplement the squad.

    Instead we finish 3rd, players move on, we buy in and place our faith in others.

    Two years later, in Camp Nou, Van Persie gets himself sent off in a key Champions League tie, having missed the same tie completely the year before, players move on we invest in others again.

    This time Van Persie stays fit, but the club isn’t quite where HE wants it to be, there’s no hippy commune, or any other bullshit analogies you want to invent.

    He having finally stayed fit, being given the figurehead role for Arsenal, scores 37 odd goals, he cashes in, two fingers to the club, off he goes.

  14. Keyser

    Joppa – I’m flattered mate, but I don’t want to play, just whip them over your shoulder and take’em down to your local.

  15. Dan Ahern

    Keyser: “I’m not saying he was bereft of talent, It’s just pathetic to hold him up as a hero, all you have to do really is go back over the comments, or even Pedro posts to see the angst his injuries caused us.”
    If you are addressing me directly, I don’t know what to tell you. You must have an extreme aversion to reading what I post. Why do you keep trying to revert to what other people said on LG or proclaiming I hold him as a hero, which never, ever occurred.

    Also,

    “Wenger kept faith in him, when others didn’t, and when we needed him to repay that faith he used it to his own advantage and did what was best for himself.”

    I believe you’re skipping over the part where he carried the team for 18 months and was the single most important reason we’re in the Champions League still.

  16. Keyser

    Dan Ahern – I thought it was more of a general conversation rather than me explicitly adressing your individual view.I never said he was bereft of talent either, but I didn’t dwell on that.

    “I believe you’re skipping over the part where he carried the team for 18 months and was the single most important reason we’re in the Champions League still.”

    Come now, surely you see why the argument ends there.

    I’ll even let the 18 months bit go aswell.

    Where have you taken your point now ? There’s no way you can say over the years we had Van Persie, if you consider all of them that the club failed him.

  17. VIX AFFAIR

    KeyserFebruary 7, 2013 19:19:42
    Whatever mate…

    RVP see’s this during his tenure..

    2006 Final..Runner’s up..

    2007-CC Final Runner’s up

    2008..Massive capitulation..Eduardo breaks his leg,against B’ham FC,sends us spiraling..Gallas-our Captain has a massive mental breakdown,on the pitch.

    2011-CC vs Birmingham..Runner’s up(Relegation team we lose to)

    2011-12..Biggest defeat in EPL History 8-2 Man Utd

    2011-12 AC Milan-4-0..Biggest CL Defeat

    & in b/w

    Vieira
    Cole
    Henry
    Cesc
    Nasri
    Toure
    Adebayor

    all sold…

    What he see’s is a club that is cash rich,but trophy poor by current day standards…

    After he is sold..He see’s our form, from the prism of a Man Utd player,with his club occupying top spot in the EPL:-

    & AFC in 6th place-21 point’s behind the 1st team position..

    AFC
    2012-13 Lose to Bradford with our A-team..

    2012/13-Wenger,finally talk’s about his socialist wage structure…Funny how it keep’s the shit player’s on the payroll & the top player’s that have anything about them off it…

    The club is a hippy commune,all free-loading of the common land..
    Whilst the Head of the commune,is the most highly paid…

    You can cite,what could have been..
    But the bottom line is,Wenger has failed to move forward..Failed to drive the club forward,by adapting to modern day football & buying the necessary quality over the years to make us competitive..

    We don’t even try to compete & if you can’t see the continuing dumbing down of the standard’s & level of expectation’s..

    I’m afraid,I’ll have to terminate this conversation,right here & now..

  18. VIX AFFAIR

    Keyser
    Anyway you twat,Hleb & Flamini did not stay..So your argument’s are all based on hypothetical’s..

    How you can defend the indefensible is beyond me..

  19. Keyser

    Another irrelevant post, you don’t seem to get it, Van Persie isn’t some helpless bystander, though you could argue he was when injured.

    He was the future for the club, the reason those players were moved on and others not bought in, in his position.

    It was to benefit his progress, he wasn’t run into the ground, he was out injured when the club needed him and the club matched his ambition.

    4 points off top ffs, unless you’re a complete simpleton surely you see how having our key striker fit might have been of benefit to the club ?!

    So Van Persie isn’t a hero, he benefitted from everything Wenger was doing and then when the time came to repay all those years of faith, he left.

    Go on with your usual drivel if you want, but don’t use Van Persie as an example.

  20. Keyser

    “How you can defend the indefensible is beyond me..”

    What a pleb, I’m not defending anything, I’m just saying Van Persie isn’t a hero, he’s a by product of whatever you think’s wrong with the club.

    Wake up and pay attention.

  21. Incesc

    I agree with Joppa road

    RVP is a rapist motherfucking traitor.

    Worst captain we’ve ever had! One season he captained is to our worst league defeat and champions league defeat, then left for Man U.

    How much of a cunt can you be. Awful player and man!

  22. VIX AFFAIR

    Keyser
    The extra wealth, maybe even further progression in the Champions League, increases status and we buy in a higher quality of player to supplement the squad.
    ——————————————————
    How much extra wealth do we need?
    We have £70m earmarked for transfer’s..
    Gazidis confirmed this in his AST meeting..

    We generate almost £235 million in revenue..
    We are the 4th most valuable football club in Europe..$364m,below Man Utd,Real Madrid,Barca

    & the 10th most valuable sport’s club in the world valued at around £800m~$1.2million

    What the heck is RVP waiting for…?

    Santa Claus to deliver the EPL down a chimney..?

    Or FFP to be his saviour,as all clubs will be on a supposed level playing field..
    Before he realistically,if that,think’s he has a chance of winning something 10 year’s on..?

    Mate,you live in cuckoo land…

  23. Keyser

    This conversation should end now, you don’t seem to have the capacity or the attention span to understand simple things.

    Van Persie didn’t see those things, he fucking lived them, if he wanted to win things he had the chance to have a direct effect on them, instead he remained injured which he now says was down to simple bad luck.

    You don’t have a point, you’re spotuing your usual bullshit.

  24. VIX AFFAIR

    incesc
    Worst captain we’ve ever had! One season he captained is to our worst league defeat and champions league defeat, then left for Man U.How much of a cunt can you be. Awful player and man!

    ——————————————————-
    But on his departure,he secured us CL football..

    Surely he can’t be that much of a c**t?

    Surely your Wednesday’s would now be boring otherwise..
    Instead looking forward to Thursdays..Europa league,against the likes of FC Zebregen…Ahhhhh…yes RVP a complete c**t-eh?

  25. Incesc

    His job was to captain is to trophies.

    I’m sorry but I’m not going to celebrate the fact he helped us to 4th.

    He grew up at the club around bergkamp, he had the same manager and training facilities as Henry. He won us fuck all.

    He played with players like cesc fabregas for years, yet won us fuck all.

    Shit player, I hope the new players we have have more bottle.

  26. VIX AFFAIR

    Keyser
    No..you don’t have a point,because you fail to address the condition’s & the direction of the club & player in question..

    It’s not b/s..Address these concern’s to a layman & he would have a proper grasp of what precipitated RVP’s move & the Club’s M.O.

    Your logic seems hellbent,on the past,what could have been..”Hypothetical’s”

    Never really on how we can work forward & address the malignant issues,that still persist to this very day..

    It’s quite simple really..

    You are stuck in some theoretical notion of fairplay,level-playing fields & loyalty..

    If that’s your gig,go live in a socialist environment,that cater’s to your ideals.

    The real world of meritocracy does not work like that?

    As an aside,have you ever worked for a top-notch company..?

    If not,read on Steve Job’s..
    If yes,then you’re just being a pedantic,argumentative gnome..

    Have a good one..

  27. Keyser

    Another irrelevant post.

    Henry left, why wasn’t he replaced, well he was, by Van Persie.

    There you go, whether or not you think Van Persie was a good enough replacement is irrelevant.

    Van Persie was given that oppurtunity.

    He directly benefitted from the Club’s MO.

    If you can’t understand something that simple, please don’t address me again.

  28. TheBayingMob

    gambon February 7, 2013 10:05:25

    “No-one cares about friendlies.”

    That’s not true, the Aussies thought they’d won the fucking world cup when they beat us 3-1 at Upton Park (? Or was it Loftus Road ?) that time, I was working in Melbourne at the time, they grafittied it on walls, took some explaining to them that England made 11 changes and it was about as meaningful as biffing a five quid crack whore …

  29. gambon

    “it was about as meaningful as biffing a five quid crack whore …”

    Come on, leave Keysers old dear outta this…

  30. Keyser

    “Come on, leave Keysers old dear outta this…”

    Exactly tear gambon’s mum a new sphincter, feel free literally, it’s happy hour around the gambino’s.

  31. gambon

    Wow keyser, what has happened to you!

    Youre like a washed up actor, the magic, however little there was, has gone.

  32. Keyser

    “Youre like a washed up actor, the magic, however little there was, has gone.”

    Nah mate, just working on a shit film, with even worse actors, going through the motions.

    That’s what I thought you were doing ? Unless that really was your best effort ?!

    You must’ve got bullied bad.

  33. VIX AFFAIR

    KeyserFebruary 7, 2013 20:40:19
    Another irrelevant post.Henry left, why wasn’t he replaced, well he was, by Van Persie.
    ——————————————————–
    Another b/s post..

    RVP was brought in initially to replace DB10..

    You manipulator of facts..Master of fiction..

    Arsene,decided to play him in the Henry role,once he left& earmarked that role for Adebayor..
    In fact that was Adebayor’s role,until he started pissing around..So it was after Adebayor left really..

    Arsene’ decide’s you can play that role..

    Anyway,to cut this short..
    We finished 3rd with RVP…in 2011/12

    Now Man Utd are top with 62 point’s..

    Arsenal are 6th with 41 points..(without RVP)

    RVP is closer to winning some trophy with Man Utd,than he would ever be with AFC..

    Unless Arsene,under some miracle manages to win the next 13 games giving us 80 points..
    Hardly likely to secure EPL Trophy..
    Don’t think that will happen do you..?
    Statistically speaking,not a cat’s hell in chance..

    So,in the grand scheme,RVP was fully justified in moving up north..& in the process highlighted the shortcoming’s of the club..

    They had their interest’s to protect(money),he had his ( trophie’s)..

    Very simple..Does not need an all-nighter on this..!!

    As I said before,it’s a business,not a charideee..

  34. Keyser

    “RVP was brought in initially to replace DB10..”

    Who cares, Henry left, Van Persie was the one to step up and become the key striker.

    Again, you seem to be ignoring the point.

    Wenger gave Van Persie the oppurtunity, if Van Persie didn’t want it, if he wanted Arsenal to buy a proper Henry replacement, he should’ve saud ‘No thanks, I’m not good enough;.

    He didn’t.

  35. gambon

    “He didn’t.”

    How the fuck do you know he didnt?

    He had quite a few interviews where he said the club need to invest.

  36. Gambons mum

    Oh look, gambon calling someone else with a differing opinion a cunt again…

    what a pathetic little man you are.

    PS RvP is a cunt. He wouldn’t be a cunt for leaving, if it hadn’t have been to our 2nd biggest rivals! (not in recent trophy challenging terms, but historic grudges)

  37. Keyser

    “How the fuck do you know he didnt?”

    Because you fat mong, he didn’t cite ambition and leave the club then did he ? No, he sat back on his fat wage or on the treatment table.

    While you were busy calling him a crock and numerous other bollocks.

  38. William 89

    Joppa road – most fans you know a clearly idiots. To me it’s a no brainer and I struggle to see why you morons persist on justifying purely on the basis that it happened under Wengers regime..

  39. DaleDaGooner

    I quite like how William handled the ever, unrealistic clowns on here, not that I’m a Wenger apologists, don’t like a lot he does, but a lot of clowns (in the minority of so called Arsenal support) like to stretch the facts just so they can be right all the time, FACT is, you sit on the internet all day, talking up nonsense you have 0 idea about.

    RvP is NO Arsenal hero…He left for a “better” job and that’s that…don’t try to bend things like your life is..BENT and untruthful …..

    Though I’d agree with gambon on the obsession of Wenger doing the bare minimum to succeed. We don’t have to go out and buy Messi, but we sure should find better ways of keeping players…and it start with buying obvious quality when they are cheaper. Buys like Santi Cazorla, Arteta, Giroud should have been done while we had Cesc, Nasri etc…AND There is a serious issue with Arsene not focusing on fixing the defensive woes each year…

    Other than that, the exaggerations are APPALING, if you don’t like Wenger fine, but don’t claim to be an Arsenal support if all you do is look for reasons for the team to fail.

  40. gambon

    “Because you fat mong, he didn’t cite ambition and leave the club then did he ? ”

    Good point, cos Wenger never lies about his intentions for the team does he?

  41. DaleDaGooner

    Oh and kudos to the knowledgeable individual stating that in RvP going to United and not City, he actually took the better ALL round deal, just cause he’s allegedly offered 300k a week at City doesn’t mean it’s a better deal, Utd is by far a bigger club than City, he stands to gain more in image rights and endorsements with United and he’ll be able to still be the big cock in the pen, he would not be the man at City, never.

  42. Keyser

    “Good point, cos Wenger never lies about his intentions for the team does he?”

    Yeah, and Van Persie was soo unahppy that he signed a new contract.

  43. VIX AFFAIR

    VIX AFFAIRFebruary 7, 2013 20:57:53
    Another b/s post..RVP was brought in initially to replace DB10..

    You manipulator of facts..
    Master of fiction..

    Arsene,decided to play him in the Henry role,once he left& earmarked that role for Adebayor..
    In fact that was Adebayor’s role,until he started pissing around..
    So it was after Adebayor left really..Arsene’ decide’s you can play that role..
    ——————————————

    Keyser
    Who cares, Henry left, Van Persie was the one to step up and become the key striker.

    Wenger gave Van Persie the oppurtunity, if Van Persie didn’t want it, if he wanted Arsenal to buy a proper Henry replacement, he should’ve saud ‘No thanks, I’m not good enough;.He didn’t.
    —————————————————–
    This is what I mean,you manipulate fact’s..

    I draw you up on,RVP’s initial role..
    & your comeback is who cares..!!

    Then you go on a circular motion of hypothetical’s nonsense..

    Mate,bury yourself in a hole,it’s a lot easier..

    Cos,you know you were talking shite..

    & if you remember,RVP especially during the Champion’s league proper,after our qualification,kept reiterating..
    “The club should spend some money during August 2011/12…”

    It’s fucking on ITV you twat….

    How you ignore these fact’s is way beyond me..

    You are either a charlatan,or a eunuch..?Or both?

  44. DaleDaGooner

    2-3 years ago, Utd wouldn’t even consider RvP even if he were free, why? he was brittle as fawk! And he gladly extended his contract with Arsenal when he wasn’t in top physical shape…

  45. gambon

    “Yeah, and Van Persie was soo unahppy that he signed a new contract.”

    Ive just covered that in the part you quoted.

    Robin: “Boss, im not sure i should stay, there is a lack of ambition and quality needed to win”

    Wenger: “Robin, I know what I want and I am very confident, I hope to turn that around in the next two or three weeks. you should be re-assured by what you see……now trust me, and sign the contract”

  46. VIX AFFAIR

    Keyser

    Yep,you write,we should draw this debate to a conclusion..

    Simply because your rewriting of history & drawing on hypothetical situation’s is unprecedented..

    See ya…!!

  47. Keyser

    “I draw you up on,RVP’s initial role..
    & your comeback is who cares..!!”

    You pleb, RVP came to us initially as a winger, a wide forward, so fuck you and your manipulation.

    I can’t beleive the stupidity here.

    Your point was irrelevant because all that matters is who Wenger turned to when Henry left, Van Persie was asked to step up.

    Again when Adebayor left, Van Persie was given the figurehead role of the front 3.

    Did Van Persie shun it ? No, he took it with glee. Try and understand the relatively simple premise.

    “& if you remember,RVP especially during the Champion’s league proper,after our qualification,kept reiterating..
    “The club should spend some money during August 2011/12…”

    That means fuckall, years earlier when he was offered a fat contract and the new position, he didn’t say I’m not worthy did he ?!

  48. DaleDaGooner

    Anyway, moving on…Wilshere was good, but i beg to differ with Pedro on this point:

    “He’s actually quite composed. Considering how badly he gets battered around in games, he’s got an incredibly cool head. ”

    That’s one area Jack needs to work on, cool head isn’t in Jack’s box, he throws himself around and while it can be admirable, a lot of times he gets the worst of it, he’s always clattered cause he goes into it uncultured. I wish to see the cultured quick passing and composed tackling Jack is capable of. Tackling is an art and letting go of the ball in the right time, Cesc knew when to let go of the ball and when to tackle, he wasn’t great at tackling, but neither is Xavi or Iniesta….

  49. marcus

    RvP was the best player in the league last year. Will probably be again this season. Wenger is a cunt for creating circumstances in which the best player in the league wants to leave Arsenal. PERIOD.

  50. DaleDaGooner

    “years earlier when he was offered a fat contract and the new position, he didn’t say I’m not worthy did he ?!”

    Exactly!

  51. Trickeygooner

    Pedro,not watch the game! why would you not watch the game? You not English? You sound Hispanic. It’s much easier watching England than it is watching the shower of shit that I go to see each week. Commited players!, 2 left backs that can defend. I liked the look of that Cole fellow maybe we should have had a punt on him.
    Jack was different gravy.
    Theo had an edge and a swagger I’ve not seen in a red shirt to often.
    Why?????
    Maybe having class players around them. Something they are not really used to,
    Are they now.
    Wenger out.

  52. DaleDaGooner

    marcus, the best players in the league on many occasions have left Arsenal only to be replaced by another best player in the league,,,,There was DB10, Vieira and Henry before him, there was Cesc, there will be many after him.

  53. gambon

    “He stayed for another 4 years.”

    He stayed for 3 years after signing his last deal.

    As i just said Wenger is a compulsive liar.

    How can you blame him for believing the child catcher, cunts like you still do.

  54. William 89

    Vix – stop being such a cock. Hate Wenger but try to get back to being a proper fans which certainly does not involve wittering on with some bollocks about “he was a Henry replacement or not”

    you don’t get it.

    try talking to spud fans over the sol cambell incident… His reasons for doing it were correct but those fuckers had every right to call him a cunt. Especially as I gave them absolutely gleeful shit about it cause I knew it hurt. That’s what he’s done to us and and you”re so stupid you’re actually happy about it… Absolute tool.

  55. gambon

    “There was DB10, Vieira and Henry before him, there was Cesc, there will be many after him.”

    But they will always leave while wenger the wanker is at the club, and if they leave we wont win anything.

  56. Keyser

    “How can you blame him for believing the child catcher, cunts like you still do.”

    Heh, mate, it doesn’t really matter, you know you’ve been a massive hypocrit, literally and figuritively.

  57. DaleDaGooner

    gambon, great players left United too, does it stop them? Problem isn’t with guys like RvP leaving, it’s with not hitting the right targets and acquiring them when feasible….that’s the issue now, but looks to be a changing trend since Podolski, Cazorla, Arteta, Giroud and re-signing Walcott,,, trends mate, trends

  58. Gunner4Life

    Joppa, and others that put Cole in the same catagory as RvP, you can’t blame Wenger for Cole leaving.

    At the time Cole left we were still a competive club, Chelski was in its transition period and was pure and simply seduced by the rouples thrown at him. It was mid contract, with secret meetings etc, RvP was all out in the open.

    Stevie G was also courted by Cheski then, but he stayed loyal, and even though he hasn’t won as many medals as Cole, he is a Liverpool legend and a much much more respected player by neutral fans as well.

  59. DaleDaGooner

    “try talking to spud fans over the sol cambell incident… His reasons for doing it were correct but those fuckers had every right to call him a cunt. Especially as I gave them absolutely gleeful shit about it cause I knew it hurt. That’s what he’s done to us and and you”re so stupid you’re actually happy about it… Absolute tool.”

    Good words there…everyone knows how much losing players to team you actually love to hate…United is one team most Arsenal fans and many hate, can you imagine Drogba moving to United? 34 and all, Chavs would absolutely be livid and call him a traitor…that’s the difference with still passionate Arsenal fans and disenfranchised-fair weather fans, who’s only purpose of support is seeking out AKBs and obsessing over Wenger as much as the people they seek. Fact is, both Arsene lovers and haters are the same, both are/were Arsene supporters and not Arsenal supporters.

  60. gambon

    Dale

    Podolski, Giroud, Walcotts of this world wont win us the league…..VanPersies, Yayas, Matas, Cavanis will…the dual problems are that Wenger hates buying them, and cant keep them when he unearths them.

  61. Trickeygooner

    Rvp and Sol left their clubs for the same reasons, money maybe, but a step up in class and the chance of trophies and glory? Without a doubt. Don’t blame Rvp, blame the cunts with no ambition that run our club. Every time Robin scores it kills me but know it must be killing the powers that be more because they must be able to see how badly they have fucked up.
    Wenger out.

  62. DaleDaGooner

    And realist try to see the problem not only from an Arsene perspective, I saw this problem with Bruce Rioch, the old passion-less geezers at Board level made sure Arsenal passed on to someone who shared their frugal/profit making ideas, Wondering why Nina didn’t sell to Usmanov……

  63. DaleDaGooner

    gambon, i bet you thought the Kolo Toure’s, Pires, Ljunbergs, Henry’s and Petits wouldn’t help Arsenal win a trophy or stay as long as they did….fact is RvP and many that left are as much to blame for our trophy drought, after all, we had RvP, Cesc, Adebayor etc in the same team that almost won the league ….. wasn’t it money that turned some of their heads eventually?

  64. gambon

    “Wondering why Nina didn’t sell to Usmanov……”

    Bitch

    They offered her an honorary VP title and she went over like a granny in the snow.

  65. Jeff

    Gambon,

    It matters very little how many times you say it. I understand you fully but to those whose remit it is in life to toe the Wenger line, there is always some excuse, some mitigating circumstance that they will find to lean on in order to defend his record. Of course we won’t win anything if we can’t buy or keep top quality but to some our bank balance and the stadium act as a conduit to rationalise our failings for the last 8 years as if to say we should be happy with what we’ve got.

    Nothing will change until he goes.

  66. gambon

    “we had RvP, Cesc, Adebayor etc in the same team that almost won the league ….. wasn’t it money that turned some of their heads eventually?”

    We WILLINGLY sold all of these guys.

    Ade and Cesc had 3 years, RVP had 1.

    The players arent to blame.

    Wengers ineptitude and bullshit about improving the defence is to blame.

  67. VIX AFFAIR

    Keyser
    You pleb, RVP came to us initially as a winger, a wide forward, so fuck you and your manipulation.I can’t beleive the stupidity here.Your point was irrelevant because all that matters is who Wenger turned to when Henry left, Van Persie was asked to step up.Again when Adebayor left, Van Persie was given the figurehead role of the front 3.Did Van Persie shun it ? No, he took it with glee. Try and understand the relatively simple premise.
    ——————————————————–
    First of all,it’s a well known fact RVP was brought in to replace Bergkamp when he was due to retire..?

    Now RVP was asked to step up,after..

    Eduardo broke his leg & was subsequently sold off..

    Adebayor was pissing around

    & Bendtner in b/w was not cutting it & hence occasionally shifted onto the RW..

    Then we had the Chamakh affair..Waited 2 season’s to get him on a free,then benched him after a few games..
    Maybe because he was too direct..
    Who know’s coupled with the Las Vegas Hotel Affair..?

    Either way, Arsene look’s around & says to the new DB10,”maybe you can spearhead our forward line,now that you are injury free…”

    HAHAHA..No need for investment in a new striker like Luis Suarez,to help us along…

    No I’ll do the bare minimum..
    RVP step’s up..Look’s around & say’s:

    RVP: Boss we need quality all around the pitch..No point in the forward line scoring 4 ,when we concede 3..

    Wenger says:Shut your mouth do your job & you owe us for your injury laden years..

    RVP in interviews says:We won today,but the club,has money & should spend it,strengthening the team..

    Wenger:We have tremendous quality.No need to spend.

    RVP see’s the following player’s leave over the years:

    Vieira
    Henry
    Cole
    Cesc
    Nasri
    Toure,etc,etc..

    He see’s player’s we could have bought over his time here at AFC:-

    Alonso
    Baines
    Cahill
    Schwarzer
    Di-Maria
    Higuain
    Benzema
    Ribery
    Mata
    Kompany

    Instead we see Gervinho,Oxo-Chambo& Jenkinson..

    & then sees Man City,buying Aguero,
    Nasri,
    Yaya,
    Kompany,
    Silva

    & Luis Suarez going to L’pool..

    RVP thinks,yeah I have the CF role,but how are we going to win anything,if we sell our best player’s year on year & replace them with inferior quality…

    Wait hold on- I’m a footballer,not a manager,or a director.Either way I’ll project into the future & 2nd guess that with the new TV money& the renewed sponsorship’s,the club’s direction/ambition..

    Money will be pouring into the AFC coffer’s which mean’s by 2014,when I will be 32 years old,I might,might just win a trophy..

    If not, I’ll be ever-seen as the loyal,grateful player,that repaid my club’s faith in me,during my injury-ridden years..
    Fuck trophies,up with loyalty…!!

  68. DaleDaGooner

    Beckham (hate him all you want, but he helped them win a few trophies), Pique, Philip Neville, Jaap Stam, ….

  69. William 89

    Vix. Clearly your love making with Rvp and all those little secrets he whispered on your ear has given you the edge I’m any argument we can have…. Can’t compete with that.

  70. gambon

    Jeff

    Youre right.

    Wenger has become a surrogate father to too many, who arent even suire why they defend him anymore.

    They will defend a guy who lies to them every year to sell season tickets in order to pay his ridiculous salary

    They will defend a guy that preaches wage structures while smashing ours to pay himself £7m pa

    They will defend a guy that has brought in Gervinho, Chamakh, Park, Santos, Squillaci in the last 2 years

    They will defend a guy that has said every year he must improve the defence, only to see it slide every season

    They will defend a guy that said he would ditch project youth if it failed to deliver and has just started it again under the guise of “project British Youth”

  71. DaleDaGooner

    Alonso – Liverpool needed to secure his replacement FIRST
    Baines – Ok, is Everton selling? cause Utd didn’t buy him yet, neither is City
    Cahill – Bolton wanted absurd amounts NO ONE would pay, Chelsea got him at decent price with more wages than even Utd offered
    Schwarzer – He’s a goalie, he was snapped up by UTD who bought an 18m floppy
    Di-Maria – No visa, he went to Portugal, rest is history
    Higuain – visa??
    Benzema – he knew he was good enough to be a Real Madrid player, most French-Algerians think so, ask Nasri
    Ribery – ok, we lost out on this one truely
    Mata – this too, pussy footing, waiting on Cesc sale and Nasri sale
    Kompany– did anyone really think he’d be this good?? He wouldn’t have been sold so cheap to City at a time Thomas Cook was sponsoring, he didn’t come with Oil money

  72. gambon

    Come on Dale, surely you can see the difference

    All the players you just mentioned werent part of the clubs plans.

    We are transfer market profiteers selling our best players

    UTD are transfer market investors continually strengthening.

  73. DaleDaGooner

    Luis Suarez, with all the baggage he had previously? seriously? he’s a good player, but seriously?? the ear biting? you think Wenger or Fergie gamble with baggage players?

  74. DaleDaGooner

    gambon, that’s true…..but you have to look at current position and begrudgingly admit that things look different in terms of who we are buying….Cazorla, Arteta, Podolski…these aren’t Cavani 50m type signings, but looks like OGL is returning to bargain-quality, no?

  75. Gunner2301

    Incesc

    More bottle? Like the spineless cunt of a captain called Vermaelen. He is actually the worst captain we have ever had at least RVP was visible and not a shadow.

    Just thought I’d correct you on that one.

  76. DaleDaGooner

    I’d say Nacho should have been brought in when they first thought of it, not as a reactionary buy…but still he isn’t Luke Shaw

  77. VIX AFFAIR

    KeyserFebruary 7, 2013 21:37:29

    Wenger gave Van Persie the oppurtunity, if Van Persie didn’t want it, if he wanted Arsenal to buy a proper Henry replacement, he should’ve saud ‘No thanks, I’m not good enough;.He didn’t.
    ——————————————

    Again you make b/s statement’s…

    I tell you RVP did question Wenger @ the start of the Aug 2011/12 season..with
    “& if you remember,RVP especially during the Champion’s league proper,after our qualification,kept reiterating..
    “The club should spend some money during August 2011/12…”

    & your way out of your b/s statement is..
    ——————————————-
    KeyserFebruary 7, 2013 21:37:29
    That means fuckall, years earlier when he was offered a fat contract and the new position, he didn’t say I’m not worthy did he ?!
    ———————————————–

    There are hole’s in your arguments..
    Confronted with them,you dispel them as b/shite..

    It all fall’s down on two points..

    Firstly RVP was not a direct replacement for Henry..He was a DB10 replacement..

    He was only drafted in to spearhead our attack,after the Eduardo,Bendnter,Adebayor& Chamakh option’s failed to perform,or sold off for one reason,or another..

    Secondly,by your argument,you say RVP never questioned Wenger..

    Well he did numerous times on TV..It’s there for the record,from the very start of the season 2011/12..

    The onus was on Wenger,not only to get in the quality player’s.But also transform other aspect’s of his management& coaching.Wenger had a whole season to do this..& still Wenger persits with the same nonsense..

    Again,you dismiss this ,as it ill fit’s your mundane argument’s..

    He’s not far off our RVP..62 points currently sitting in 1st place..

    AFC 6th Place 41 points..

  78. gambon

    “Alonso – Liverpool needed to secure his replacement FIRST”

    – No we were just cheap

    “Baines – Ok, is Everton selling? cause Utd didn’t buy him yet, neither is City”

    – Thats just a pathetic comment, so if the Manc clubs dont need a player then we dont, should we only bid for players they look at, disband our scouting team?

    “Cahill – Bolton wanted absurd amounts NO ONE would pay, Chelsea got him at decent price with more wages than even Utd offered”

    – £10m ridiculous….you know Gervinho was £11m

    “Schwarzer – He’s a goalie, he was snapped up by UTD who bought an 18m floppy”

    Floppy thats gonna win the PL you mean?

    “Di-Maria – No visa, he went to Portugal, rest is history”

    So why didnt we pull out of the Cambell, Gallindo, Wellington, Miyaichi deals?

    “Higuain – visa??”

    – What?

    “Benzema – he knew he was good enough to be a Real Madrid player, most French-Algerians think so, ask Nasri”

    – He said he was interested in Arsenal. Wenger said he wasnt aware he was available….cunt.

    “Kompany– did anyone really think he’d be this good?? He wouldn’t have been sold so cheap to City at a time Thomas Cook was sponsoring, he didn’t come with Oil money”

    – He was talked up as a 19 year old at Anderlecht, journos asked Wenger every week about him.

  79. TheBayingMob

    Look, let’s just agree, that the word cunt is awesome. American women hate it, which makes it even more brilliant. The word is used so freely here, it’s liberating. I come here for my cunt fix. You cunts. Cunt it up. I’m lapping it up, like, errrrrr …………… 😉

    You’re all cunts. RVP is definitely a cunt. Henry is a cunt. They all left. Cunts. Wenger is the biggest cunt.

    Nine Cunts there, almost an entire Tottenham team.

  80. DaleDaGooner

    and gambon, we didn’t do so bad selling Anelka and getting in Kanu and RvP later on…so while it is true that we are profiteers, it used to serve us well cause we knew what to replace with, had RvP went and we got say Mirallas (who i think would be well suited with us) or spent the dosh and brought in Jovetic…that would be us pre 2005 unknown gems, now we have to rely on known gems who can be bought easily…I’d love Edinson, but can you see us splashing 50m even if Wenger wasn’t manager anymore?

  81. William 89

    Jeff – it’s actually you and the other fools here that have become so obsessed with ‘akb’ and Wenger that you’ve actually lost touch with supporting your club.

    Even a simple scenario as Rvp fucking off turns into some stupid statement that he’s now a hero! How fucked up is that, you’ve all become some mantra chanting pub bores that somehow turn any conversation back to wenger.

    Did you watch the Brazil match mate. Yep it was Wengers fault….

  82. jlp

    Awesome another insightful debate on whether the rapist is a hero or a villain.
    What fucking angle could possibly be taken that hasn’t been discussed on this matter…

  83. DaleDaGooner

    ok gambon fair enough in some of those names, BUT still it’s still all hearsay…

    Alonso…no doubt Liverpool wanted Barry first! can’t swing it any how, and rightly so. we didn’t offer over the odds for Alonso cause you know Wenger doesn’t.

    Baines, not pathetic, Evra is old, Clichy and Kolarov are dodgy, I’m not saying we should wait for them, but has to be Everton don’t want to sell period, they don’t have a reason to sell and have held on to a player who isn’t forcing them to sell him.

    Cahill–NOW this, Cahill was never peddled at 10m GBP, Bolton wanted 17m FIRM! they even said so, i’m sure wenger would have considered 10, after all we got Vermaelen, Koscileny for close to 10m…Chelsea got him for 7m! in January when Bolton were in shambles table-wise

    Schwarzer – He’s a goalie, he was snapped up by UTD who bought an 18m floppy”Floppy thats gonna win the PL you mean? IS IT BY De Gea’s doing Utd are tops??? If De Gea were Arsenal goalie, you’d have a fit and blame Wenger a la Gervinho at 10m (who i think isn’t as awful). Downing cost 20m, and any winger in top 4 worth their salt, cost more than 10m

    Di Maria was a visa issue, and i guess we looked elsewhere, seeing as it’s all gamble, had Wellington, Campbell, Ryo or Galindo went elsewhere and became wonders, you’d add them to the list of Wenger fuck ups…honestly this is where i draw the line…..if he gets em, he’s a cunt cause they suck, if he misses on the gamble, he’s a cunt…can you see that there is a pattern with some fans?

  84. gambon

    “but can you see us splashing 50m even if Wenger wasn’t manager anymore?”

    No, but the worrying thing is i can see wenger buying 4 £12m players, 2 of whom flop and one who we end up loaning out for 3 seasons to take him off the wage bill.

    Wenger knows the price of everything and the value of nothing.

    He wouldnt pay £23m for Mata, one of the 3 best players in the PL, yet he spent £23m on Ox and Gervinho and put Gervinho on the same wages as Mata.

    Now i like Ox and hate Gerv, but Mata is better than both combined.

  85. VIX AFFAIR

    DaleDaGoonerFebruary 7, 2013 22:23:30

    You talk the immense shite…Not really surprised from an Amish ,disconnected from the real world…

    Shwarzer gone to Man Utd for £18million..?

    Di Maria-Visa issues..?
    Hmm sorry contract’s were agreed..
    The money was waiting to be deposited into the Argie’s bank a/c..AFC bottled it..

    Cahill..What we could not fit him into our bulging wage bill,by offloading the dross..

    Higuain?Visa..Really an Argie International..?

    Mate..sorry how anyone can take your comment’s seriously is just……

    By the way..whilst we are at it..
    What would you say about the past Aug/Jan 2012/13 transfer’s..

    Demba Ba £7.5 million..
    What he’s a crock?Or we could not compete with Chelsea on wages..?

    Zaha..?
    Victor Moses?
    Caesar -Free
    Vertoghen?
    Dembele?
    Sissoko?
    Remy?
    Lloris..?

  86. gambon

    Dale

    THe cahill thing was covered on a podcast last week.

    We agreed terms with Cahill, Law went to meet Gartside having been told the price was £10m, we offered £3.5m and PG said he would never sell us a player ever again.

  87. DaleDaGooner

    William 89February 7, 2013 22:42:34
    Jeff – it’s actually you and the other fools here that have become so obsessed with ‘akb’ and Wenger that you’ve actually lost touch with supporting your club.Even a simple scenario as Rvp fucking off turns into some stupid statement that he’s now a hero! How fucked up is that, you’ve all become some mantra chanting pub bores that somehow turn any conversation back to wenger. Did you watch the Brazil match mate. Yep it was Wengers fault….
    ===============================

    Haha ha ha…and this is what i always say, the obsession with looking for someone to call an AKB or with calling Wenger a cunt is become the only reason to “support” Arsenal.

  88. VIX AFFAIR

    TheBayingMobFebruary 7, 2013 22:33:55

    LMFAO…..

    I know it’s wrong..But it’s the funniest thing I’ve read all day..

    Priceless…..LMFAO….

  89. DaleDaGooner

    Gambon, ok fair enugh, maybe the Podcast was more revealing, or maybe it’s closer to what you’d like to believe, but why did we then buy Mertesacker for 8+ m? and Why was Verm and Kos bought for closer to 10m? surely Wenger didn’t think Cahill was rubbish and played for Crystal Palace, I mean we got Ox for more than that and we paid Everton 10m for Arteta who was on more than 2 years left at Everton??

  90. gambon

    “but why did we then buy Mertesacker for 8+ m?”

    Erm 8-2

    You need to understand that none of them signings were in any way part of wengers grand plan, we got spanked and he shit himself.

  91. DaleDaGooner

    if someone offered me goods at $10 and the market is negotiable, of cause i’d low ball first and negotiations would be met at some point, Gartside, stating he’d never sell us a player and yet we keep loaning them players….surely something is amiss, Ryo, Benik etc….crazy if they had CAHILL at 10m and we stuck with offering 3.5m and went ahead and brought in Mertesacker at 8.5m….something isn’t adding up

  92. DaleDaGooner

    Mertesacker was always part of a plan, we’d been hearing rumours long before that window, Santos, yes, mad dash, but we had already sold Traore during that 8-2 spanking, Traore was a QPR player at that point, so surely we were looking to bring in players, just Wenger and his stupidity of last day buying.

    Vix, thanks for your imput, surely William isn’t done with you, might want to continue barking up that tree for some lessons

    Gambon, you were saying? Thoroughly can discuss with gambon when he’s having a proper talk and it bothers crazies like Vix…

  93. Royal Bludger

    It really is pathetic how much of Gambon’s life he spends on a fucking anonymous football blog.

    I can see he’s been on here ALL FUCKING DAY and NIGHT!

    What a fucking loser.

  94. VIX AFFAIR

    Amish DaGooner

    Question..When did you start watching Soccer?

    When the USA drew with England in WC 2010 & you ventured into the bright light’s & the big city of NY..?

  95. VIX AFFAIR

    DaleDaGoonerFebruary 7, 2013 22:23:30
    Schwarzer – He’s a goalie, he was snapped up by UTD who bought an 18m floppy
    —————————————————

    Amish Da Gooner

    Explain yourself…
    Schwarzer bought by Man Utd for £18 million…??

    Where & how..?Certainly have not heard that info?

    Do you know something we don’t know Amish DaGooner?

  96. DaleDaGooner

    As do I gambon, as do I….there isn’t any proof you’d get deals on the last day, in fact you miss out cause the other team has no time to replace…..I agree that Wenger is mental in some of his philosophies, but we can’t obsess about him everytime, surely if is sacked, the current employers would fu ck up the replacement with somebody worse.

  97. DaleDaGooner

    If he is motivated by a proper football man who does the buying and negotiations, even on a self imposed financial stringency, we could overcome Utd and the likes.

  98. VIX AFFAIR

    AmishDDG
    he current employers would fu ck up the replacement with somebody worse.
    ———————————
    Typical AKB comment..

    Life without Arsene=A club in decline…

    Beg’s the question,what have we been for 5 years..?A club on the up..?

  99. DaleDaGooner

    I can live with selling the best players to pay stadium debt, but losing to Birmingham for a cup has to be baffling and terrifying

  100. DaleDaGooner

    Anyway Gambon, the chat was real….i leave you to carry on with sensible debates, and enjoy when we can as Arsenal fans..by the way, when are you visiting Vegas again?

  101. Royal Bludger

    Typical Gambon post:

    Call someone a stupid cunt; construct straw man arguments the person never made; attach straw man argument; make up a quote someone didn’t actually say; mention whether any given player is English or no, and black or white.

    Get a life you twisted little boy.

  102. VIX AFFAIR

    “if someone offered me goods at $10 and the market is negotiable, of cause i’d low ball first and negotiations would be met at some point, Gartside, stating he’d never sell us a player and yet we keep loaning them players….surely something is amiss, Ryo, Benik etc….crazy if they had CAHILL at 10m and we stuck with offering 3.5m and went ahead and brought in Mertesacker at 8.5m….something isn’t adding up”
    ————————————————

    AmishDagooner

    Maybe if something is amiss..

    You can always go to the Jageklia deal with Everton..Where we offered them £10 million 2010/11,then came back with a new & improved offer for £8million in 2011/12?

    2011-12Valencia for Mata…£17.5million,trigger clause & we baulked& offered less..

    2009-Alonso…According to AFC,L’pool upped the offer by a million.
    According to us with Alonso on his way to London for negotiation’s..Signing him would kill Denilson..

    Schwarzer–We baulked over £1million in transfer fees…

    Vertonghen..Baulked over his position.He wanted CF,Arsene wanted him in a DF role..

    etc,etc…You get the general theme here…

    Let’s not dilute the dialogue..

    Wenger is a massive,diabolical,self-centered c**t!

    He is the axis of our current problems..

  103. VIX AFFAIR

    gambonFebruary 7, 2013 22:07:16
    “Wondering why Nina didn’t sell to Usmanov……”

    BitchThey offered her an honorary VP title and she went over like a granny in the snow.

    ——————————————
    I agree..The kingmaker…

    & now she bleats like a victim…

    Money in the bank & a title to boot…
    & she has the gall to question SS..

    I tell you,that whole club is screwed from top-2-toe..

  104. Ozy

    What’s with everybody’s fascination of Cahill? He’s a decent defender. That’s it. Look at his current form. I honestly don’t think Cahill should even be brought up. Sure, he’d be an improvement over Squillaci, Miquel, Kos and Verm on their bad days but only on their bad days and… well, that’s it. We didn’t buy him. He went to Chelsea and has hardly shined. He’s a decent player who will always be just average. Give it a rest. Talk about Mata – that was a travesty.

  105. William 89

    Right, so we’re all agreed… RVP is no hero.

    Good stuff, glad I could be of help to some of you…

    I’ll check for abusive posts tomorrow… (something containing bell-end will be my response by the way)

  106. VIX AFFAIR

    William 89February 7, 2013 21:46:25

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    I think they were slightly different situation’s..

    Sol ran down his contract & left on a free.

    RVP,questioned the club ambition’s from the outset-Aug 2011/12…
    Did his job delivering CL qualification for the club & still had one year left on his contract..

    The club,took up the option to sell him to Mn. Utd,in order to maximise their profit’s,or meet their Player Sales Target for the year..

    He happily accepted that move,given that the buying club,would at least match his ambition’s,despite still having one year on his contract left..

    If he was a complete c**t. He could have done a complete Sol,left the next year for free.

  107. zeus

    Yet another young gem is shipped off after NEVER making an appearance for us.

    Galindo is going back to Bolivia. Buying so many young hopefuls is not a prudent use of resources I think.

  108. VIX AFFAIR

    William 89February 7, 2013 21:46:25
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    continued…
    I think you are the complete tool.

    Anyway hope we don’t talk again..

  109. VIX AFFAIR

    William 89February 7, 2013 21:46:25
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    continued…

    As you seem like the r-e-t-a-r-d-e-d drunken y-o-b,I’d happily cross the street for,in order to avoid you.

  110. VIX AFFAIR

    zeus
    Having Arsene on £7.5million per year..

    Is not a prudent way of the club utilising it’s resources for challenging the elite..

    Why else did we move to the Emirates?

    To rip the fan’s off..?Hmmmm

  111. VIX AFFAIR

    In moving to the Emirates,the fan’s were sold a dream that would never happen..
    That of challenging for titles…

    Sound’s to me like a Ponzi Scheme..!!

  112. Dannyboy

    some right bellends on here. Do you even watch football??? Some div earlier said ‘England beat Brazils full strength team’ are you for real? There was no Denilson or Andre Santos out there so what you talking about?

    😉

  113. jeff

    so happy for england (sarcasm) beating Brazil is just wonderful (friendly game) and happy for fellow gooners as we will get a lot of money when we sell Jack and we can reinvest almost a fraction of it on a has been or a potential talent that may flop and we will persevere with, or uncover another Jack which we can sell and start the circle again.

  114. jeff

    Wenger should commit himself to building a team around Jack and buying a couple of classy players already proven in the game. But he wont he will have Jack carry the load for a year or two until he becomes disillusioned with not winning things and leaves>

    I despised RVP when he went to them and its still difficult watching him play but I have come to understand why he did. Apart from money he knew SAF had the will to win and that success was important. Success to AW is mediocrity or slightly above that with a guarantee of profit. Fans are only important for revenue the whole club needs a complete shake up.

    do i sound somewhat disillusioned well I have follwed Arsenal from I was 6 and I have travelled across the world to support and I always will but its beyond frustrating seeing what is happening we were so close to breaking into the top sides of the world but AWs ego kicked in and here we are

  115. Dannyboy

    I see Vermaelen is doing another one of his Wenger ventriloquist dummy impressions again ‘I never doubted our potential’… fuck sake he’ll start doing a dodgy Joey Barton-esque French accent soon and going on about ‘kwalideeee’ and ‘beeleeeeeeeeeff’

  116. VIX AFFAIR

    The whole club from top-to-toe are run by a bunch of c**t’s…

    Quite simple..
    & As for you Keyser..you can try to make a so-called intelligent argument out of a nonsensical situation..

    You know the bottom end of the line..
    The Club’s ambition is rooted firmly in the P&L Statement’s..

    It’s not fucking rocket science…!!!

    & if you want to go there…I’ve got some rocket science equation’s for you son…!!
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    William69er

    You are just an argumentative pratt..
    It’s quite simple..

    RVP want’s trophie’s
    The Club & Arsene care not a jot for them,bar money..

    Sooner you recognise this,the sooner you become a more objective AFC fan..

    Other than that,I feel sorry for your friends,family & wife/g/friend/b/friend..
    In term’s of the vitriol you subject them too,if they happen to disagree with you on the RVP issue..

    Good luck knucklehead…

  117. Jeff

    Gambon,

    Thanks for the reply. It looks like the site has been infiltrated by a sad collection of imbecilic zealots who cannot tell the difference between supporting a club and supporting a manager so it is largely pointless even conversing with them. It’s worse than talking to a bunch of Jehovah’s Witnesses who keep telling you the same thing despite the mountain of evidence to the contrary. William, Dale, Keyser and others wax lyrical after single win and wane for long periods when we start dropping points and exiting competitions.

    So long as these people continue with their lofty rhetoric fuelled misguided and lazy commentators in the media, Wenger will have remit to continue and no amount of beckoning from any other club can possibly drag him away.

  118. Keyser

    “Keyser and others wax lyrical after single win and wane for long periods when we start dropping points and exiting competitions.”

    Just an outright lie.

    Ask Bidet here if you want.

    Bidet and Deebo on a Friday. How quaint.