Spanish Law changes make Ronaldo and Messi Arsenal targets… right? | Defence and midfield assessment

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I moan about this every year, but seriously, who in their right mind thinks an international break three games into a season is acceptable in any way, shape  or form? Firstly, 90% of football fans don’t care about international friendlies. Secondly, we’ve over indulged in low quality international tournaments already. The Olympics and the Euros hardly blew me away. Thirdly, give us a damn chance to get into our club game rhythmn before we start throwing national games into the melting pot.

… and fourthly, what the f*ck am I supposed to write about for the next two weeks?

Well, firstly, I had a text from Geoff this morning saying that the Spanish tax rate was just put up to 52%. As he pointed out in a blog post, Spain are bankrupt… they’ll need to recoup some money… and they’ll come for the foreigners first. The Government has closed the loop hole on the so called ‘Beckham Law’ allowing the Treasury to claim an additional 28% tax from players like Ronaldo, Lionel Messi and Modric.

That’s going to put the Spanish Champions in a bit of a situation. The same for Barcelona. How will they afford to up those players salaries? In short… they won’t be able to. So they’ll have a whole host of players thinking about leaving I’d imagine. Which to be honest, is totally hilarious. Christiano ‘I want a life contract’ Ronaldo is only in it for the money, which does make me feel slightly better about all the money grabbing monsters we’ve had at Arsenal over the past few years.

In Arsenal news, where are we at now the transfer window has shut?

Well, right at this very moment, we’re in a pretty good position. I think if we’d conceded a few more goals this season, we’d have had the ready made excuse of not having 3 of our back 5 playing. So far, we’ve conceded a total of zero. That’s a big, big positive for the side. Especially as we have Koscielny and Sagna coming back after the break and hopefully Chezzer (who seems to be missing games in the same way Diaby used to before we were told he was out for the foreseeable).

The first two games of the season were geared around defensive solidity. We lost some of our attacking flair as a result of this. However, it was clear that much of the attacking prowess we lacked was probably down to a lack of familiarity the midfield forward had with each other. The Liverpool game opened gave us the first glimpse into how this new team can play and I’m pleased to see that there seems to be a whole variety of attacking shapes opening up.

With Giroud up top, we can play in a very direct way. He wins almost everything in the air and he’s a tall striker who is comfortable with the ball at his feet and he has the ability to play with his back to goal. We’ve also got a suitable amount of pace in the side to break at speak. That was demonstrated with the first goal we scored against Liverpool. Then there is the sort of goal every Arsenal team of the last 15 years has had the ability to nail… the pass and move. The fact this is all underpinned by discipline and accountability is the reason I think we’ll have a good season.

We’re only a few games in, so we can’t get too carried away, but the signs are positive. A team built with the collective ideal of not conceding goals is always going to fair better in the league. 49 goals was a massive failure last  year.

31 -37 – 41 – 43 – 49

The fact that it had got progressively worse over 5 years was the really worrying trait. It meant no one at the club was paying attention to the issue. We were trying to solve our defensive inability by becoming better at possession football. That was an insane way to approach the problem. Defence is an absolute art and it needs to be taught with the respect it deserves. It looks like we’re on track with that. If we want to win the league again, we’ll have to be sub 30. Too much of an ask this year I appreciate, but Rome wasn’t built in a day, nor was the famous back four.

In midfield, the praise Abou Diaby has been receiving has been quite incredible. Fully deserved after the performance against Liverpool. It’s amazing how players who have been out of the game for so long can develop without training. How did Robin go from a good striker to a great striker without having the game time to match it? Abou Diaby might do the same this season if he can string 10 games together. That’s a massive if, and sadly, our season depends on that happening. His ability to turn defence into attack in a split second is a joy to watch. When those long rangy legs pull of a Kanu-esque piece of skill it’s an absolute pleasure… we need to see it across 40 games though.

It was interesting to read him compare himself to Yaya Toure in terms of role…

“In our teams, Yaya Toure and me have very similar roles,” he said.

“I am not like Alex Song. We have many players who can take his place like Francis Coquelin or Mikel Arteta, who likes to play deep. I want to get forward – that’s me.

“I have defensive duties as well so I need to have a good shape defensively and, as soon as we get the ball, go forward.”

What I like about that comment is firstly he respects that he has defensive duties. You can make that sort of mindset a part of the culture in the same way Newcastle used to have the culture of ‘we’ll score one more’. The other interesting comment is that he says Arteta likes playing the anchor role and that Coquelin can play there too. I mentioned earlier in the summer that the young Frenchman was 1 year younger than M’Vila. That’ll be a huge litmus test for us… what happens when Arteta picks up a knock? If he can fill in an play with the same discipline, we’ll be in a good position. We’re basically taking a massive punt on his development, but I have to be honest, I’m more comfortable about that than I was when we took a punt on Denilson. At least he’s talented!

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Anyway, that’s 1000 words which isn’t usually part of the Tuesday deal. Enjoy and hey, maybe let me know your thoughts in the comments?

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  1. Thomas, it's up for grabs now..

    Bjonan September 4, 2012 12:08:50 Gambon
    After Arsenal clears the debt(by next season) “hopefully u’l still be alive “..Am sure The Arsenal’s glory days will come back..
    ——————–

    So by this statement you’re pretty sure then our lack of success is only down to our debt.. because if it is gone then we are back in the glory days!!!

    Nice one… can’t wait for that..

    Oh wait.. our debt will not be cleared for another 19 years… Damm.. I was looking forward to the glory days so soon.

    Let me help you out on the whole debt thing there… Here’s an extract from our 6-month report for the season just gone..

    “The Group continues to have a strong balance
    sheet. £6.2 million of stadium finance bonds were
    repaid in the period and, other than next year’s
    annual instalment on the bonds, the Group has no
    short-term debt…

    ….The Group’s overall profit after tax for the six months
    was £38.0 million.”

    Debt due within one year (bank loans/bonds) (5,928)
    Debt due after more than one year (bank loans/bonds) (219,334)
    Debt due after more than one year (debenture subscriptions) (26,935)

    Arsenal Half year report 2011-12 season.

    Looks like we’re fucked till 2031 then!

  2. Alex James

    Goals win games, not getting in positions to score. I am not convinced about Giroud. As I said yesterday, he reminds me of Lee Chapman, which is not a good thing. Hope I am wrong and others right but sometimes one’s initial feelings are correct. As for Usmanov, he is the only way I can see us winning the CL, which for an old fella like me is my one remaining big dream. I have lived for years with languishing behind Celtic, Villa, Forest, Utd and liverpool in this respect, and last year Chelsea stuck it to us as well. We are the only traditional big club in Europe that has failed to win it, and we recently sold our sole world class player to the Mancs! Next year it will be our little Spanish gem, mark my words. Usmanov would stop the madness associated with paying out in transfers absolutely no more than we sell players for.

  3. Super top super duper quality

    Happy with our first team, like you’ve said before pedro, our starting 11 can match anyone on our day.

    Our problem no doubt is in our depth, we have the league plus 3 cups to play in, dats a shit load of games.

    Wenger has gone in to the season with a thin squad. Lets take an educated guess and say diaby, arteta, and sagna are very delicate players, we can almost be certain they wont last a season and whos injurys have kept them out the game for long periods

    Ramsey, walcott, kos, verm and maybe even wilshere from now on also tent to injure easily.

    Assuming them players wont stay fit JUST FOR SAFE MEASURES, we should have brought in players as cover, we have cover but not quality cover that can win us a league.
    Also the quality would have provided more squad rotation=less chance of wear and tear on player=less injurys=greater chance of success.

    What wenger has done is taken a gamble, his motive for the gamble is the financial gain of club and possibly himself.

    This is why as fans, when we win a game and play well we love arsenal when were up (e.g starting 11 can match most teams giving us a title chance), but is also why we turn all anti wenger and doom and gloom
    When we are at our lows (e.g player fatigue=injurys=shit cover=losses)

    People forget the risk wenger has taken when we win, but remember them when we loose.

    Wenger is a great manager at purely football, but his motives are not purely football, and its these other motives that interfere with the football side of things and make us hate him when were down.

    That my friends, is arsenal fc in a nutshell!

  4. Nathan Dale

    Gambon September 4, 2012 11:59:03
    Win % means nothing if you dont win trophies. Wenger doesnt win trophies.

    I actually agree with Gambon on this… but, does winning 7 trophies instead of 6 mean anything?

    I know, perhaps Gambon could use:
    “In the last 7 years of Graham tenure, he won 5 trophies… In Wenger’s last 7, has won nothing”
    or
    “Graham came runner up in only 4 finals but Wenger came runner up 7 times”

    I think you’ll find that enough proof of Grahams superiority.

  5. Bjonan

    Mayank

    Geroge Graham took us to 12th in a vastly easier league.In his last 3 season Graham finished 10th, 4th and 12th respectively. Twice we finished below Spurs.It is one of the most unfounded statement to say that if he stayed 6 more years he would’ve won 4 more trophies.Great contribution to the club but let’s not extrapolate it.

    Well said my friend.

    Given the growth of the Premier League and the competitiveness sincerely AKB..Since the League progressed to MODERN football look how Liverpool,Newcastle n Blackburn have been left behind because of the development of the league.

    No disrespect to George Graham but seriously lets put the fact that the competition then(slow with limited talent[mainly English]) and now(fast n full of talent).

  6. gambon

    Arsenal have scored 2 goals in 3 games, and failed to score in 2 or 3 games.

    Which means we will only score 26 goals this year, and we will fail to score in 26 games.

    This means our maximum possible points this year is 62.

    Tough times ahead.

  7. Bjonan

    Looks like we’re fucked till 2031 then!

    @Thomas, it’s up for grabs now..

    Sorry bitch the difference between u n I is al b 45yrs and still a GUNNER..n well dont know where ul be or how old(Who cares)?

  8. Super top super duper quality

    P.s

    In reguards to the cover i was talking about didnt have to cost a fortune…demsey, mbwia , dembele, vertonghen, cabaye and even mvilla was affordable to name just a fee

  9. Arse&Nose©

    Dumb Dumb logic STAT -ATTACK:

    Carl Jenkinson has kept 3 out of 3 clean sheets therefore he is the best Right Back in the League.

    “In football only the present counts.”

  10. gambon

    “Carl Jenkinson has kept 3 out of 3 clean sheets therefore he is the best Right Back in the League.

    “In football only the present counts.” ”

    Them 3 clean sheets were all in the past you doughnut.

    #onlythepresentcounts

  11. Nasri's Mouth

    If Mo Farah couldn’t inspire someone, there aren’t too many people out there that could, and he’d probably do it for free, so everyone wins

  12. Alex James

    George Graham came within one goal of creating the invincibles years before Wenger did. Whilst his transfer policy and tactics went AWOL after this, one should never forget the state the club was in when he joined. We owe him a great deal of gratitude for the way he turned the club around. How would he fare now? One thing is for sure, there would be no doubt who was in charge. He is cut from the same block as Ferguson.

  13. David Andreassen

    Good post Pedro.

    Loved Diabys performance even though I think some ppl are overstating it a little bit.

    There was never any real question about the guys talent, was it? The thing about Diaby was always going to be about wheter he can stay fit or not, no?

    I still think we should’ve moved on atleast 2 or 3 season ago but as it stands, nothing woud make me happier than to se hi have a Persiesque season with 40 or so, games below his belt come summer.

    Just sayin’, the approach taken with RvP n Diaby is not really sustainable in the long run. Going to need a squad the size of a hundred if we’re going to be able to afford players being injured for 5-10 years before delivering.

    ….especially if they leave after that one good season…

  14. Zinc

    Gambon isn’t very clever is he – seems to have failed to notice we’ve invested in a brand new stadium and training facilities – money that would have been spent on players had we stayed at Highbury has actually built us the type of infrastructure that will sustain us for decades to come – in 50 years time people will look back at what Wenger did and hail him a genuis of the game.

  15. gazzap

    Question is, why did Wenger leave it until the last few days to bid for Cabaye? Everyone knows teams cant replace players in that time. He was gettable a month ago, just after Song was sold, I am sure of that.

  16. Iffy da goon

    PWH interview:

    “…The Glasgow Rangers example is something we’ve all got to guard against. They spent far more money than they could afford. We’re ambitious enough but we’re not going to end in the same plight as Rangers. That is a fact of life. So my advice is don’t get miserable about it.”

    Almost feels like he’s talking to me

  17. Nathan Dale

    Gambon September 4, 2012 12:44:57
    Arsenal have scored 2 goals in 3 games, and failed to score in 2 or 3 games.
    Which means we will only score 26 goals this year, and we will fail to score in 26 games.
    This means our maximum possible points this year is 62.
    Tough times ahead.

    Really?
    Last season, after 3 games we had scored 2 goals and conceded 10. By your logic we should have scored 26 and conceded 127 goals last year?
    We actually scored 74 and conceded 49… Please explain how this could possibly have happened?

  18. Nasri's Mouth

    @Alex James

    GGs management style was certainly different from AWs, but would it work with todays footballers who are surrounded by sycophantic agents bigging them up 24/7 ? It seems to work for Fergie, though even ManU had to bow down to Rooneys wage demands, but there aren’t many other big time successful managers with such a forceful way of handling their players

  19. chris

    Gambon

    Just saying but to be fair win %age does mean an awful lot.

    The more games you win the more chance of winning trophies

    I can’t see how anyone would think the opposite

    Of course you can still be beaten to the championship by a team who win even more games

    Of course you can still be beaten in a cup competition by a team with a lower win %age

    But losing too many games will make it vey difficult to win anything (surely you agree with that?)

    George Graham was not imo a better man at all and he certainly didn’t go on winning lots of trophies for the other clubs he went to, at soe of which he had decent-ish squads and decent-ish budgets.

    I agree with the guy who said his time had come and gone.

    Whether Wenger’s time has come and gone as well is up for debate although you’d have to say he’s given the club stability (of a kind) at a time when this has seemed extremely important.

    Next manager is a very interesting one – I certainly think it’s much more important than immediate transfer policy.
    It’s no good saying “anyone is better than Wenger”, as I believe you have actually said a few times, as if “anyone else” would be certain to have won trophioes and managed the transfer side of things better
    Would you have said Roy Hodgson or Harry Redknapp or Kenny Dalglish or AVB pre-Chelsea (or now?) or Mark Hughes would have beeen clearly better than Wenger?

    Cos they all failed at big (or biggish) clubs, fairly quickly.

    Would you rather have Brendan Rodgers right now? Or Paul ambert or Chris Hughton or Martinez or McDermott or Adkins or even Pardew or Allardyce or any of the other promising young guys who might be up to it?
    The only Prem-based guy I’d be confident about would be Moyes – and even then I wouldn’t be that surprised to see it all go wrong.

  20. Alex James

    Nasri The chap looks really good, and his talent makes me drool again. The problem is that, if he sustains his present form, City will come sniffing, as may the big two in Spain. We don’t know what his contract says. If it is based on a £15M plus bid from, say, Real that allows him to leave, we would be sunk I suspect. If not, £30M from City would have Ivan jingling, on the evidence to date. The sale of that Cloggy rat to Utd destroyed any remaining respect I had in the regime running the club. And I am a thoughtful person by nature.

  21. Johnny5

    Gambon

    Stats don’t mean anything. It is moronic to deduce that because we’ve only scored two that we will only score 26 this season. Too many variables.

  22. Bjonan

    Gambon we have conceded zero goals in 3games that means we shall only concede 12goals this season(1goal every 3games)..given we draw(1-1) those games we conced(12points),score in the other 14(1-0)-(42ponts) what happens to the other games…we forefeet?????

    Based on yo useless statistics…

    Yo just a small prick looking for recognition..

  23. Nasri's Mouth

    @Alex James

    Hard to be 100% in either direction I guess, but Wenger has a history of not selling top players who want to stay. As long as he’s still got a few years of his contract remaining, (and next season he certainly will) I can’t see us selling him unless we get an extremely unrealistic bid, and I’m talking more than £30m, unless of course he does an RvP and pushes for a move. That’s always a possibility, but the fact that he’s already turned down the top club in Spain for Malaga and then us, would make that possibility pretty small.

    So I dont quite see how you’re so confident he’ll leave next summer. Your only basis for this argument (that I can see) is purely that we’ve sold top players each summer, and as he’s going to be our top player, he has to go.

  24. mystic

    gambonSeptember 4, 2012 10:06:12
    ‘Dont think the Spanish problem will affect Madrid & Barca too much.’

    Why? Certainly it won’t apply to all their players because of the time limitation on the ‘Beckham Law’, but for teams such as Barca it will apply to say Cesc and at Real Ronaldo who with the additional tax would presumabley be pushing for parity to where they were net wise. Many other footballers, generally being the selfish people that they are, might not appreciate someone suddenly going so far up the gross pay scale and therefore couldn’t the contagion spread?

    Furthermore the creation of the ‘Beckham Law’ was designed to attract overseas high earning professionals, would the tax increase not have an effect on the ability of clubs such as Barca and Real to be able to retain their wage structure forward going?

  25. gambon

    “We actually scored 74 and conceded 49… Please explain how this could possibly have happened?”

    Statistical variance.

  26. Arse&Nose©

    George Graham?

    Are you lot having a laugh, do you remember 1994? We finished 12th for fucks sake, we were complete dross! Discontent in the stands, people chanting “Georgie get your chequebook out” it was a miserable time.

  27. gambon

    Mystic

    Checks Madrid & Barcas wage bill.

    Even if they are punished by revised laws theres still no one on their level.

    Where are these players gonna go? Anzi, PSG or Man City are the only clubs that can even think about matching these guys, maybe Cheslea now that ROmans back in the game.

    It will affect their league. no doubt. The likes of Falcao, Llorente, Soldado will be more available than they have previously been.

    Barca & Madrid just make too much money.

  28. Nathan Dale

    gambon September 4, 2012 13:20:52
    Statistical variance.

    Brilliant, thank you for that in depth analyses and reasoning. And to think, up until now I thought you just made shit up.

  29. gambon

    A&N

    I remember hundreds of fans calling wenger, and i quote “a cunt” and telling him to spend some money while they were exiting the San Siro 6 months ago.

  30. mystic

    ‘gambonSeptember 4, 2012 12:44:57
    ‘……Which means we will only score 26 goals this year, and we will fail to score in 26 games.

    This means our maximum possible points this year is 62.’

    Fucking hell Gambons trying to win an argument again using stats, but AGAIN using them as FACTS when in reality they are merely ASSUMPTIONS.

  31. Bade

    Good read Pedders

    Time to pull your creative mind to fill those 2 weeks ahead

    WHY DON’T PEOPLE EXPLOIT THOSE DAYS TO WRITE THEIR GUEST POST?

    I’m sure Pedro would love it

  32. Bade

    Keyser

    GG was sacked less than a year after he won us our major European silverware

    Arsene still here, even though he’s running 7 trophy less seasons & counting

  33. Keyser

    Lose 8-2 and still finished 3rd, how the fuck did he manage to finish 12th ?

    Re-open debate, tickle gambon make him chuckle and his belly wibble, keep bungs and drinking culture in reserve.

  34. Bade

    GG flapped one transfer window, and was given the sack

    Arsene had been flapping transfer window, as much as if he was Keyser eating muffins in a ravenousness, and he’s still here

    Just saying

  35. Kurt F

    Amazing what a win can do for the spirits – but we’re still only one injury away from paying a serious price for our inactivity in the transfer window.

    Also, what the hell are we doing negotiating a new contract with the Ox when his current one has 4 years to run and he’s not even a regular starter yet? Have we learned nothing? This approach to our negotiation is why we’ve still got so much deadwood on sky high wages.

    Thought with our Theo stance we’d finally come around to the idea of making players earn their pay rises – seems we’re just as stubborn with our attitude to contracts as we are to the transfer window.

  36. Keyser

    Bade he won the Cup Winners Cup ? I mean I loved that night, but you do realise what competition we play in this year ?!

  37. Thomas, it's up for grabs now..

    Bjonan September 4, 2012 12:45:25 Looks like we’re fucked till 2031 then!
    @Thomas, it’s up for grabs now..
    Sorry bitch the difference between u n I is al b 45yrs and still a GUNNER..n well dont know where ul be or how old(Who cares)?
    _____________________________

    No No, Bjonan.. That’s not it.. Really. Let me clear it up for you.. In English.. If you need help with that I’ll put it into Google translate for you..Just tell me the language you want as I couldn’t find English-Moron.

    The actual difference is that you just spout shit without knowledge of the facts. Make incredibly stupid statements like the glory days will be back after we clear the debt next year, which convinced me you were on a half-day from school having been sent home early for flunking maths and spelling. (And of course if we don’t then you’ll blame City and Chelsea… but not a peep about the management).

    You have no understanding of the finances.

    In fact you would be better off staying over on ‘Another Clubbed Left Foot’ where’ll you’ll get a lot more “Well said, chum” and where you won’t find it so challenging once you conform to the mantra and you’ll have the full backing of Yogi and his bulldogs. It’s easy really… stick with it. Just repeat after me… Arsene is king… All players who leave are cunts… All players we sign are world class… We have no money… we can’t compete… Fuck City, Chelsea…etc.
    There.. Easy, see!

    Yours Sincerely,
    Thomas.
    Aged nine and a half.

  38. gambon

    “But GG sacking wasnt down to results was it ?”

    So why hasnt Arsene been sacked?

    Wenger = 0.44 trophies per season, Graham = 0.66 trophies per season.

  39. Nathan Dale

    gambonSeptember 4, 2012 13:40:42
    So why hasnt Arsene been sacked?
    Wenger = 0.44 trophies per season, Graham = 0.66 trophies per season.

    We can all answer any of gambon’s stats with his own answer:

    gambon September 4, 2012 13:20:52
    Statistical variance.

  40. Thomas, it's up for grabs now..

    1. Zinc September 4, 2012 12:53:19
    Gambon isn’t very clever is he – seems to have failed to notice we’ve invested in a brand new stadium and training facilities – money that would have been spent on players had we stayed at Highbury….
    —————————————————-

    What money is that then that we invested? Because we borrowed to build the stadium, to actually generate more money. The stadium that generated 93.1m last year. The stadium that generated a spectacular extra 9m again in the first six months of last season compared to 2011. The stadium that’s on course to deliver approx 105m for our last financial year. (last year in Highbury 44m).

    The stadium, and the move to, was primarily to generate funds to invest in the squad.. to compete.. Not as an excuse not to. Do you know how much the spuds earn from their stadium? Approx 1/4 of what we do!

    So we would have invested 450m in players then had we stayed at Highbury!

    Is this Bjonan with a pseudonym?

  41. Iffy da goon

    Arsene is a smart man, he decided long ago his work will be geared towards pleasing the people that can sack him. Fans satisfaction is a secondary pursuit that may or may not materialize

  42. Bade

    Keyser

    I do realise we’re playing in a competition we won’t win under Arsene.
    And that’s been the case for 15 years.
    Do you realise that?

  43. Bjonan

    Arsene is king… All players who leave are cunts… All players we sign are world class… We have no money… we can’t compete… Fuck City, Chelsea

    There…Easy…see…I…said…it…..

    What u dint understand you ignorant twat is that I meant that our debts are controlled,giving us room to develope the team(bring in talent) over the next course(btwn now n next season)only problem is I dint want to write an essay(like you did) explaining our finances(which is easy to go online line and do if you are 9years old who has nothing better to do other that be an online whore)

    Sorry I forgot that we had 9year old cunts on this blog who want everything to be explained for them in detail..(i will tek tht into considerations next time bitch )

    Thats the problem with wankers like you who call yourselves football fans yet you only dwel on yo clubs negatives(what a prick)..

    GUNNER4LYF..

  44. Rhys Jaggar

    Of course, in theory, Messi is a transfer target, but I think he feels a sense of honour that Barcelona paid for his medical treatments growing up so he wouldn’t leave unless they wanted/needed him to. Where else do you have a 90,000 crowd and a club who organises its entire strategy around your sublime skills, eh?? Of course, if Barca became the West Ham of the Champions League, he would have to think about it, but until then……

    I don’t think Messi is obsessed over whether he gets £250k a week or £200k a week to be honest. I read this morning that he is only the 9th best paid person in European football: crazy!

    What it seems to me to be the case is that he feels humbled that God gave him a very special talent so he wants to use it to the best of his ability. He can more than take care of his family already and he doesn’t strike me as an attention seeker, nor a man for whom building a power empire is a necessity. He will, in my opinion, end up less rich than Beckham, far more fulfilled professionally and really liked by those who know him rather than fantasized about by millions of teenagers.

    Maybe Arsene is building a war chest so Guardiola can buy Messi as his first action as Arsenal manager?!

  45. Keyser

    Bade’s it’s a competition we’ve never won, also go back to why George Graham was sacked, you’ve missed the point anyway.

  46. goonerjay

    Bjonan – tone the language down fella. The occassional use of swear words when arguing, used in the correct manor and timing can add a bit of spite or humour to your argument, depending on how you want to come across.
    Swearing\Calling someone names in every other line just makes you look immature.

    Also could you sort your spelling out please? (not a dig, just a request) Just that i struggle to fathom what you are saying half the time as it’s written in teenager BBM language.

  47. Erudito

    I have read this site pretty much every day since 2007/2008, that’s relatively young compared to some people but in that time two clear things stand out – someone named gambon pisses everyone off, and no fan is happy about being trophyless since 2005. It recently hit me that Arsenal aren’t a ‘big’ club anymore and the few people who know for sure (The Board) don’t have the balls to say this and the biggest bearer of the brunt it (albeit a good chunk of it self inflicted). I asked myself a question, every season what do you think the boards expectations are?To win the league at any cost?(Not), To win a Cup(maybe), I honestly do not think the boardroom conversation would go like this….Arsene, we have given you all the resources needed, now go out there an win a league. What we have is a board willing to stay competitive ever since Chelsea blew everyone away with the spending, now Citeh, but can’t afford or don’t want to spend big and have found a manager with a passion albeit twisted passion to develop players with the hope of winning the league…..A match made in Hell, we the fans are the ones left to suffer

  48. goonerjay

    Iffy – AST meeting coming up shortly and quite a few AST members are up in arms about that comment on twitter this afternoon… Lets hope the AST grow a pair and give the board some shit for that

  49. jwl

    I am Canadian, didn’t know anything about football until I moved to London after I finished university and my first job was at pub on Essex Road. A bunch of our regulars were Gooners and they were happy to introduce a newly arrived colonist to the beautiful game. My first season with Arsenal was 1995/96, the Bruce Rioch era and George Graham was a controversial topic with the supporters I knew. George Graham was great manager and so is Wenger in their different ways.

    Could George Graham have built a top 4 side while paying off stadium debt? Did Graham have vision of massive club to compete with ManU like Wenger did when they decided to build new stadium?

    To me, The Arsenal way of playing is solid back four married with quick counter attacks. For the past five years, we have had tika taka with little focus on defence and it’s not proper way to play football. This season, for the first time in years, I feel like I am watching Arsenal play what should always be our style of football.

  50. Bjonan

    Also could you sort your spelling out please? (not a dig, just a request) Just that i struggle to fathom what you are saying half the time as it’s written in teenager BBM language.

    point noted…

  51. Nasri's Mouth

    @goonerjay

    The full quote was:
    “It is not a worry to the board that we haven’t won a trophy since 2005, it would be lovely to win but it’s not that easy. Liverpool haven’t won the title for 20-odd years. We’re very ambitious and want to win but, if you don’t have billions of petro-dollars to throw around, you’re going to have to do it some other way. That’s what we’re trying to do — with skilful selection of players”

    When its not just a small part taken out of context it’s a fair bit more sensible isn’t it ?

    Could just as easily have come up with

    “We’re very ambitious and want to win”

    but that wouldnt be quite so exciting

  52. Bjonan

    Jwl

    To me, The Arsenal way of playing is solid back four married with quick counter attacks. For the past five years, we have had tika taka with little focus on defence and it’s not proper way to play football. This season, for the first time in years, I feel like I am watching Arsenal play what should always be our style of football.

    I guess its a dynamic dual(philosophy) of sort GG(steve bould) and AW,this collaboration will bring us silverware.

  53. gambon

    “Could George Graham have built a top 4 side while paying off stadium debt? ”

    What the stadium that generates £30m pa more than we had at Highbury?

    Some people have no idea.

  54. Iffy da goon

    Hey peds, you’re in the AST right? Are you gonna let em have it this time or is it going to be another session about how Gazidis took precious time out from cold calling Russia to grace you guys with his presence

  55. Bade

    Keyser, all this myth of being 3rd or 4th or 2nd, is largely stupid, moronic & a comfort zone for losers to justify their defeatism

    It’s like saying finishing 6th is some achievement, only because England got 6 teams in the CL. What the hell? It’s about winning trophies, not being in competitions only due to your country rankings

    It’s the same as saying we’re glad to be 2nd for 20 years. It’s simply not enough for me

  56. Thomas, it's up for grabs now..

    Bjonan, if you come on here and make a point you might just get a reasonable response…. well mostly.

    You started with a load of trash at 10.43…. and concluded with..
    “So all you AW haters…. Chok on it” (Your sp)

    Way to go to invite a reasonable discussion!

    I could respond to that post with all the players he also trumped who turned into.. well… not world class. But I won’t bother as most readers can do that for themselves. Did you notice Park Chu-Y slip out the back yard last week after he put out the milk bottles?

    It was clearly designed to agitate as you are a regular from A Clubbed Left Foot. So don’t be surprised when you are called out, especially when your writing style is shouting and inflamatory. Notwithstanding that we have to read it 2-3 times to decipher what the fuck you are trying to say.

    i enjoy reading both sides of the argument here. But from people who can put it like El Tel or Albo etc… It would be extremely dull if it was all one way like Untold or ACLF.

    But no worries.. I’ll be passing straight by yours in future!

  57. Bade

    Keyser,

    I was replying to you, for trying to undermine that achievement

    Arsene failed to win a European cup that was ranked lower (or level at best) with the trophy GG brought us

    You know, the question of who’s better …..

  58. mystic

    gambonSeptember 4, 2012 13:23:56
    ‘Checks Madrid & Barcas wage bill.’
    Whole point is their current wage bill is irrelevant to what future demands MIGHT be – if we were talking 5%-10% I would concede, however we are talking 25% – 30%.

    ‘Where are these players gonna go? Anzi, PSG or Man City are the only clubs that can even think about matching these guys, maybe Cheslea now that ROmans back in the game.’
    Exactly where – therefore both Barca and Real COULD suffer.

    ‘Barca & Madrid just make too much money.’ -It is possible that their reliance upon overseas money could increase as the current climate in Spain is extremely different to that of the past. With over 25% unemployment and no signs of checking itself, even the richest clubs will not be immune to the plight of much of their fan base.

  59. Bade

    “Could George Graham have built a top 4 side while paying off stadium debt? ”

    I’m sure he would have not turn an annual profit, but he would have not run 7 years without winning a single trophy

    I’m sure he would have not kept underachievers for so long with the team, not to mention renewing those contracts

  60. andy

    guys it´s simply impossible to compare two different managers at different times … it´s also not possible to compare players. do you really think pele or maradonna would be as good now as they were at their times? of course not. if you take a look at their best goals in their careers you can see that both have unbelievable time before getting to the next (or first) defender … maradonna´s solo for example. he dribbles past one, then he can go 20 yards, then there´s the next, then again 20 yards … I don´t want to say they are bad players or something like that but times changed and they wouldn´t be close to world class right now IMO. and it´s the same with managers/coaches now. people have to realize that different times need different abilities to be the best. and – normally – more and better ones. that´s the main reason AW was unbelievable successful first because he had different styles and abilities to improve his squad. now these abilities aren´t at the top because times changed – as simple as that. but I still think AW is one of the top 3 coaches on the planet

  61. WengersSweeties

    My word.

    Thomas has said all that needs to be said…

    There is absolutely no reason not to invest better in this squad.

    The reason we dont have a team to compete for the title is because Wenger has chosen not to.

  62. Keyser

    Bade – The Cup Winners Cup is no longer around but even then the Champions League was the absolute pinnacle.

    “Keyser, all this myth of being 3rd or 4th or 2nd, is largely stupid, moronic & a comfort zone for losers to justify their defeatism”

    We finished 12th ffs, you’re undermining your own argument.

  63. Bade

    No Keyser, you missed the whole point then

    I’d sooner finish 12th for 2 seasons, just to win the league & retain the season after, rather than finishing 4 seasons 2nd

    Kapish?

  64. Keyser

    “Arsene had 15 chances to win the CL, all he came up with was 1 final & another 1 Semi final.”

    Do you realise what club you support ? Arsenal as a club have managed what ?!

    “I’m sure he would have not kept underachievers for so long with the team, not to mention renewing those contracts”

    Again do you know why he was sacked ? I mean he might not have re-knewed the contracts but somehow I’m guessing the money wouldn’t have gone back to the club.

  65. Keyser

    “I’d sooner finish 12th for 2 seasons, just to win the league & retain the season after, rather than finishing 4 seasons 2nd”

    That makes even less sense Bade, lets forget about what finishing 12th would mean for us, but are you trying to say Graham finished 12th and then won back to back Premiership titles ?!

  66. Bade

    Keyser

    I agree the Champions league (back then, cup) was always the prime queen

    But the point was, don’y undermine GG’s achievement, when Arsene even failed to win a trophy of the same calibre, not to mention the CL

    People are stuck in the past with Arsene

  67. Kurt F

    That Hill-Wood article is scary – just shows how totally old-fashioned and stuffy the board is. Their snobbish attitude to Dein and Usmanov is like aristocracy’s attitude to ‘new money’.

    So many stupid statements too:

    “we don’t have billions of dollars of petro-dollars to throw around” – we would do if you guys weren’t being such twats to Usmanov.

    “We can’t spend 50m on one player” – no one’s asking you to, 15-20m on one or two would be fine.

    “I’m going to carry on until I get completely senile and then my colleagues will say, ‘It’s time you went’” – no they won’t, because they’re all senile old gits too.

    He tries to make the whole scenario with the club into a false choice between spending nothing and spending recklessly, conveniently ignoring the issue of what happens to the large profits we’re turning over each year.

    This is the most telling quote though:

    “I don’t think Stan Kroenke is going to put the sort of dollars in that Abramovich or Sheikh Mansour are putting into Chelsea or Manchester City. That’s not the way he thinks clubs should be run.” – No, where their owners go for silverware and success, Stan just wants an asset that’ll make him even more money.

  68. Bade

    Oh Keyser,

    So when we won 2 doubles under Arsene he was legend, best manager & so, but when we’re talking about his failure to achieve it’s the club’s? Hahaha

  69. Bjonan

    Thomas, it’s up for grabs now..

    Every Manager will make mistakes once/twice in there carrier(sign a lousy player-Park,charmak etc..)or fail to convince a world class player to stay-RVP,Cesc),even Fergie admitted he made a mistake to sell Stam..

    But we always have to look at the future and whats best for the club,thats by correcting mistakes(Sell shitty player-Park,Denilson etc) but there are those mistakes that take long to recover from(selling RVP to wait for the POD9 to settle in the league).

    All in All the future looks bright for The Arsenal.

  70. gambon

    Wengers Sweeties

    Absolutely correct.

    There are many teams who CANT compete for the PL. However we choose not to. We choose to scrape into the CL every year and make vast profits.

    As ive said on here millions of times, the easiest way for this club to grow financially is to invest in world class players and become successful.

    Look at the following 2 scenarios:

    1- Keep RVP & Song, spend £100m on top players (Hazard, Cazorla, Podolski etc) to compliment the class we have.

    2- Sell RVP, sell Song, replace with inferior, and make transfer window profits.

    Now which team is going to be more successful, make more prize & tv money, more commercial money, sell more shirts?

    Bearing in mind you make £800k per PL place, get a higher % of champs league TV money for finishing higher, get vastly more for each further round you go in the CL knockout stages, not to mention commercial contracts that are up for renewal in 2 years, not investing in the team is an appalling decision.

    We were already minted, then we made £26m from property, and we still went and made a £10m profit in the transfer window.

  71. bazza

    @ Gambon

    “Gambon isn’t very clever is he Exact opposite” therefore
    “Gambon isn’t very stupid”
    But maybe the truth is:
    “Gambon is a little bit stupid”

    Advice for Gambon: Extrapolation from the past is a risky business. The real question is can we learn from recurrent or cyclical patterns of history? Football is cyclical, Chelsea and Man C’s success is not a constant, I can promise you Arsenal will re-emerge. Perhaps you should try “Interpolation” based on the assumption that Arsenal will at some stage reign supreme. It would be more rewarding for you and avoid being called a cunt on a regular basis.

  72. Keyser

    Bade – Undermine ? No you did that.

    “Keyser, all this myth of being 3rd or 4th or 2nd, is largely stupid, moronic & a comfort zone for losers to justify their defeatism”

  73. Bade

    Keyser,

    sometimes I wish you’re winding up with your replies, as those seems not bright

    Where did I mention he won us back to back titles? (Not that I suggest Arsene did)

    You & many other fans always refer to Arsene’s success of keeping us in the top 4 as some kind of heroics or so. Then you were delighted to remind us that GG finished 12th, as if it’s some kind of total shame

    My comment was a reply for that, if you didn’t get it now, you’ll never ever get it

  74. gambon

    Kurt

    Yep, hes a right cunt that PHW. Ive noticed Stan always goes straight for the “We cant spend £50m on a player” bullshit as well.

    Well, how many players IN THE HISTORY OF FOOTBALL have cost more than £50m?

    Ronaldo, Kaka, Torres.

    3 In the history of football. Man City havent ever done it, Man Utd have never done it.

    So what the fuck makes you think thats what the fans want?

  75. Bade

    “lets forget about what finishing 12th would mean for us”

    Heh, I wonder what did for us finishing in the top 4 in the last 7 years?

    Oh well:
    1. stuffing stupid players with large contracts, so we can’t even offload them
    2. losing our best player/s each years
    3. increasing tickets prices
    4. winning fuck all
    5. having a commercial deals of a mid table team
    6. turning a yearly profit
    7. getting spanked in the CL each year

    Well, some achievement

    Thank you Arsene for finishing in the top 4

  76. gambon

    “Arsenal will re-emerge. Perhaps you should try “Interpolation” based on the assumption that Arsenal will at some stage reign supreme”

    Never said we wouldnt re-emerge.

    Once we kick the senile french cunt and the board out we’re guaranteed to win things.

    The problem goes way beond investment. Wengers a serial loser, he builds weak frail teams that bottle big occasions.

    Look at the last 3 finals we’ve been in. Beaten by a shit, relegation bound Birmingham, surrendered a lead against Chelsea in the CC, and surrendered a lead against Barca.

    You may also re,member we surrendered a lead against Chelsea in the 2009 FA Cup semi final, and we were ahead on 3 separate occasions against Liverpool in 2008.

    Oh and you may also remember we held the lead 3 times in 45 minutes against Liverpool in 2009, and we were 4-2 up against Spurs with 2 minutes to go.

    Oh and one more. How many teams have surrendered a 4 goal lead at half time?

    Yep, Wenger is a top class manager.

  77. Keyser

    Bade – “I’d sooner finish 12th for 2 seasons, just to win the league & retain the season after, rather than finishing 4 seasons 2nd”

    This is what you said ? So basically what you mean is I’ve got nothing to back it up, I’m just going to post something stupid and moronic just to comfort myself.

    When was the last time a team finished 12th for two consecutive seasons and then won back-to-back titles ?!

  78. Bade

    Keyser

    There isn’t much difference between finishing 2nd or 12th for Arsenal, apart from the money side

    But hey, judging by our last few years, we’re turning a yearly profit in the transfer market, so finishing higher where we’re able to get a spanking in the CL but also the big money of it (sounds like a prostitution to me by the way), has nothing to with our on pitch policies

    It’s either unused, or used to fatten Djourou & Denilson & etc …… So what’s the point when we’re not using that money anyway to strengthen the team

    Again, as long as it’s not 1st, or relegation of course, for Arsenal’s football sake it has absolutely no relevance

  79. Santi Claus

    No team in Europe has under achieved like Arsenal. Consecutive years in Champs League and even before that no European Cup all be it English teams were banned. Name me a team who has been as unsuccessful in Europe? I would have said Inter but their names stuck on now.

  80. Johnny5

    Gambon

    I get what you’re saying. In order to be a successful club we need to invest in the players, succeed on the pitch and the money will follow but were stuck with wenger. Unless he gets the sack or resigns which is unlikely nothing will change. My question to you is now the board and kroenke know they can maximise profits without having to invest in quality players what if the board just go out and replace wenger with a manager who thinks the same way. Where does that leave us both as a club an as fans? And what can actually be done to ensure that it doesn’t happen that way?

  81. BillikenGooner

    When did the rug get pulled out from under us and the club went from “We can survive without CL money.”, “the stadium will give us the money to compete.”, etc. to “CL money is keeping us afloat and we will be royally screwed if we miss out on it.”?

    Did I miss a memo sometime or has this just become commonly accepted and that’s why people are happy with just a top 4 finish?

  82. Keyser

    Bade – The more you go on the less sense you make.

    “There isn’t much difference between finishing 2nd or 12th for Arsenal, apart from the money side”

    Even though the money side plays an absolutely massive part, I refer you to Bade points 1,2,3 and 5. Even if we forget that.

    Who’s more likely to win the league a team that’s finished 12th for two consecutive seasons, or a team that’s finished in the top 4 ? If you choose the former please give a sensible reason as to why.

  83. Santi Claus

    Arsene is the king of spread betting. Pay all these promising kids loads of money in the hope they will be the finished article by time their 25. All we end up with is average 25 year olds being paid high wages and its crippling.
    It will not mean you save money either and don’t act surprised when they show no loyalty when they do make it. Its all about the bling.
    We are getting more loyalty from players that started their careers elsewhere and got their breaks for other teams.

  84. mystic

    Gambon agree 100% that Arsenal should be adding quality to quality, what I don’t understand is how you can say 2 things in the same artcile:

    ‘……..spend £100m on top players (Hazard, Cazorla, Podolski etc)’

    ‘……..replace with inferior’

    So adding Cazorla and Podolski they are ‘top players’, but when they are replacements they are ‘inferior’.

    If they are ‘inferior’ then even if we kept certain other players, Arsenal shouldn’t have been looking to bolt on these sub standard additions.

  85. Samir masri

    As long as we have this retards incharge then we can forget about winning trophies. The sooner they go the better. We should have a sign that says we want usmonov in. Reading Peter hilwood’s words makes me sick in the stomach. He is a real Cunt.

  86. Bjonan

    Johnny5

    You have a very good point.

    the problem is not with Wenger it is with the board.Even Usmanov said that the board’s policies are hindering AW’s management of the club.Now if the Board comes out and clearly says they can not buy a 50m pound player,what is AW going to do about that..
    Wenger had a vision for the club when he took over..A future plan that included touch football,a big stadium and to make the club successful..
    So the plan was put into practice,lovely football,Emirates Stadium,Invinsibles, then the board started to loose the plot…Dien resigned and AW was left stranded with a bunch of money minded manks.He is desperately trying to carry his plans on when his hands are tied..

    Kroenke wants to pay the debts asap and start enjoying the profits of “his” club..what a moron.

  87. Santi Claus

    Usmanov and Dein would whip the whole club into shape and turn Arsene back into a coach or tell him to feck off. He has far too much involvement in financial issues. He would also hate it if the club was run with a money is no object philosophy. Hill wood is a dinosaur and belongs in a football museum.

  88. gambon

    Mystic

    Its pretty fucking easy to understand.

    Podolski/Giroud are inferior to RVP. If they complement him its a good thing, if they replace him its a bad thing. Giroud especially looks a typical Wenger retard.

    If you cant see the difference you are more of a spastic than I thought.

    Wenger does the bare minimum every single season.

    He doesnt EVER strengthen the squad he just panic buys when he knows people are leaving.

    Hes not a squad builder, hes a squad rebuilder as hes always running around trying to repair his own damage.

  89. bazza

    @ Gambon
    “Once we kick the senile french cunt and the board out we’re guaranteed to win things.”

    Oh no we are not. Because you’re dissatisfied with Wenger and the Board (as am I) it doesn’t follow that kicking them out would automatically result in success. Spurs kicked out Harry for AVB; lets see what will happen. My guess is they will finish outside the top 4 this season. Who knows whether Usimov will be a more effective owner than Kroenke. What available managers out there would be better than Wenger? My point is that change in itself doesn’t automatically bring success and constant vitriol on your part against the status quo is not healthy. Why? because you stop appreciating all of the good things about supporting our club.

  90. Bade

    Keyser

    HAHAHAHAHA

    Why to go on “likelihood” ?

    We’ve been 3rd, 4th for 7 years now & we failed to win the league.

    While after we finished 12th & then 7th or so I think, we won the league (the double actually) in a space of 3 seasons

    So how is that for you “likelihood” argument?

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  91. gambon

    “it doesn’t follow that kicking them out would automatically result in success. Spurs kicked out Harry for AVB; lets see what will happen. My guess is they will finish outside the top 4 this season.”

    HAHAHAHA, what on earth has this got to do with anything?

    Harry did a good job at Spurs.

    Wenger is holding Arsenal back. Completely different scenarios.

  92. marcus

    it’s amazing how shortsighted our club is in their PR management. Just because we win 2-0 over a shitty Liverpool side, all of a sudden we have our Chairman, manager, players and others out in the media talking about how Arsenal can win the PL… Come on? Seriously?

  93. gambon

    “What available managers out there would be better than Wenger?”

    Erm, wow this one hasnt been asked before. Sigh!

    Mourinho – Has retained titles, and won the CL twice
    Guardiola – Has retained titles, won the CL twice
    Klopp – Has retained titles unlike mental Arsene
    Ancelotti – Double CL winner. Won PL at first attempt.
    Rijkaard – League & CL winner
    Van Gaal – Has retained titles and won the CL
    Hiddink – Has retained titles and won the CL

    Thats just a shortlist.

  94. Nasri's Mouth

    Bade: There isn’t much difference between finishing 2nd or 12th for Arsenal, apart from the money side

    Are you being serious ?

    Absolutely massive difference

  95. Santi Claus

    Wenger has to go because he has become too dictatorial. We followed his idea based on past successes, but it failed, he wont admit it failed and is trying to paper over cracks . Maybe a new manager may not be successful but with a new board he will know his place and just get on with his job.

    That said what Arsenal have lacked in recent years is defensive guidance Wenger hasn’t a clue, so it may be the case that we do celebrate something this year, but it will be down to Bouldy .

  96. Keyser

    Bade – Just because you put in a few Hahahaha’s doesn’t suddenly make you seem less of a loon.

    Two 12th place finishes and then back to back titles. that’s your idea.

    How the hell is that the same as winning the league in 90-91, then 4th, 10th, 4th, 12th, 5th and 3rd before we won the double after Graham got sacked, Bruce Rioch was moved on and finally Wenger came in.

    Explain how 12th is better than finishing in the top 4 ?!

  97. Lordbergkamp

    Wow, this is incredible. We finish in CL place every year without having to spunk silly money into the market and people are calling for wenger to be sacked.

    This blog has finally been overrun with mancs and deep deep cover spuds supporters. Dear oh dear.

  98. gambon

    marcus

    Yep.

    Usmanov – Dein – Klopp with Bould as number 2.

    Also get someone like Niall Quinn involved in a Director role.

  99. Santi Claus

    I think Wenger would go anyway he like one of these accountant types that gets excited about saving money, he couldnt stay on if Arsenal had a billionaire who wanted to be in debt and win titles.

  100. mystic

    Gambon, you haven’t mentioned Giroud in your initial comment and I notice that you haven’t mentioned Cazorla in your latter – so it is you who is talking bollocks.

    Lets just get something straight regarding Podolski and RvP as you are such a stats aholic. In a shit Koln side last season Podolski scored 18 of their 39 league goals (0.46%), RvP on the other hand scored 30 of Arsenals 74 goals (0.41%).

    I’d prefer them both together, but if someone from abroad is going to replace RvP then Podolski isn’t a bad option.

  101. Iffy da goon

    Santi claus the board are too comfortable, with wenger and with fans expectations. Any new manager that comes will demand funds. Board will give him because they don’t yet trust him, once that separation of duties exists between the manager and the board we’ll start to become a real football club again.

    That’s why wenger must leave

  102. Santi Claus

    Would rather spunk the money on superstars get in big sponsorship money and win a title or two. Man United seem to do ok doing this.

  103. gambon

    “We finish in CL place every year without having to spunk silly money into the market and people are calling for wenger to be sacked.”

    Yeah good point.

    So happy we will pick up the Champs League for clubs that make a transfer market profit this season. There is such a trophy isnt there?

    We can play Falkirk in the QF, Osasuna in the Semi, and the Portugese giants Rio Ave in the final.

    In case you hadnt noticed, Liverpool, Utd & Chelsea have all won the CL in mental Wengers time in the UK.

    In case you hadnt noticed we are the only big european team that havent won it.

    Its a fucking embarrassment.

  104. Iffy da goon

    The board currently trust wenger to deliver champs league and have left him to do as he pleases. Wenger since then has shown us his true nature. He’s not the competitive animal we all though him, and the blame for Arsenals failures falls squarely on his shoulders. We need to go back to the days of this

    Board: Manager what do you need?
    Manager: I need player X and player Y
    Board: Here’s player X and player Y

    The way a football club should be