Yann M’Vila wants to join and Theo plays a waiting game. And what exactly is financial prudence?

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Well there’s a surprise, Theo will wait until Robin moves before he decides. If that isn’t a ringing non endorsement of everything Wenger has built over the last 8 years then I don’t know what is.

Theo I don’t blame you, Robin I would do the same and that could explain why we are not signing big names, they are all waiting to see what happens.

Sorry but Oliver Giround does not constitute a big name. I would be surprised if anyone spends big outside of the clubs with money that clearly wasn’t earned, but I wouldn’t like to just sign players for the sake of it, sign those that will make a difference or don’t bother.

Now Yann M’Vila says he wants to join us, he’ll make a difference, go and buy him but do it quick, because if the French progress, so will his price. And before anyone says he said his future will be decided after the Euros, cobblers, he said a month ago it would be after his last game in Ligue 1.

If we then lose our best players so be it, it’s far better to have a club that wins nothing and makes money than pleasing the fans that want to see silverware.

If financial prudence is that important though I would sack Gazidas and his entire team because they bring nothing, sack the manager because he brings nothing and employ someone like David Moyes, because he’ll bring nothing, but he’ll be cheaper.

And that’s financial prudence.

Now if they had any sense they would see financial prudence is also about packing the ground, winning nothing for 8 years will not only not fill the ground, it will stop young kids becoming Arsenal fans and that then screws up the future, not next year or the next, because they are already here, that’s us.

It’s the next generation and you know what? This board and Wenger don’t care about them because they won’t be around, and that my friends is not financial prudence, it’s financial incompetence. Or stupidity.

That’s what I would call the lost generation, if you want to see how that works out, ask the Greeks.

Have a nice day Grover’s, tomorrow Pedro is back.

459 Responses to “Yann M’Vila wants to join and Theo plays a waiting game. And what exactly is financial prudence?”

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  1. Paulinho

    Shitty Holland get exposed again. Yet in two years time we’ll still get the same bullshit about them having great ability and their ‘egos’ getting in the way.

    No, they’re just shit.

    They’ve got the most boring set of supposedly world class players in world football – apart from from Robben, who was just awful and generally is for Holland.

  2. SDE

    incesc
    be good if the final is a show down between ronaldo and theo2 best players on show in the euros

    Reply

    What you mean a final showdown b/w a player with immense talent that OGL decided to not buy,because of trying to save a few pennies- versus a player with no talent that Le senile was happy to shell out a few more millions for!! .Sigh…

    Roll forward some years..Same shite different year!!.

  3. Doo Woop

    Hahahha, Ronaldo and Theo showdown

    Hahahahah

    Please

    I’m glad I’m alone in the room because I just had a loud crazy laugh when I read that

  4. BacaryisGod

    Hopefully Van Persie will realize that it’s a rare gift to have a team built around you. He’s seen at this tournament what happens when you are just one of a collection of superstars.

  5. Keyser

    Robben’s there fucking leader, he’s starting to lose what used to make him somewhat decent and doesn’t have a clue how to adjust.

  6. Paulinho

    RVP will be a big loss because like so many other he’s found a niche at Arsenal.

    But he will do f-all at any other big club. Jogging horizontally across the pitch like a cripple, back and forth.

  7. Lordbergkamp

    Holland have just demonstated to le senile just what having no defensive gameplan can do. You get butt fucked. Just like we do at the sharp end of every season.

  8. gambon

    Rhyle

    Im sure youre very proud of that post, but it was pretty shit wasnt it?

    Im always right, hence why im the mighty one.

    Keep on trying mate.

  9. Goon from BD

    The Dutch have been total shit from start to finish. How they wish they had M’vila in midfield!!!!!

  10. SDE

    zeus
    “Btw, Ronaldo is a twat. Apparently he doesn’t stay with the team in the hotel, he has his own room, with his bodyguards in another beside his.Twat behavior if u ask me.
    Anywhere he goes, people should randomly shout out messi. Repeatedly.”

    Reply

    So did Beckham,especially in 2002WC..Separate living arrangements in the hills in Japan/S.Korea from the rest of the squad,with his own private security detail..

    So would you agree Becks is a twat as well!!!

  11. SDE

    Robben is the most infuriating player ever..

    In fact the greediest/selfish player known to man..Well with the exception of Rivaldo in his playing days..

    How you rate him Keyser baffles me??

  12. Rhyle

    That’s the difference between you and me, Gambon – I’ve got a lot more in my life to be proud of than some meaningless outburst on a blog…lol…but you crack on spouting your nonsense, Mighty One (GREAT name, by the way).

    You’re a dunce, Gambon – an irrelevance who thinks he’s relevant. I’m under no illusions of the importance of anything I write here, or anywhere else for that matter…I do it for fun…you? You seem to think it’s a lifestyle…and that it makes you matter. Like me, you’re just a fuckwit with a keyboard…lol…

  13. Mayank

    “So would you agree Becks is a twat as well”

    SDE,

    Don’t know what you expected as a response to that. I doubt anyone on here doesn’t think Beckham is a twat.

  14. Keyser

    “Cripples can jog now”

    He’s upset Robben doesn’t get enough credit in spite of his disability.

  15. gambon

    Rhyle

    Well done again, but again youre wrong.

    Gambon is an idea, not a person.

    You seem to be taking yourself very seriously. Bit of a cunt aint ya?!

  16. Keyser

    “How you rate him Keyser baffles me??”

    I said somewhat decent, because I’m not twat enough to call him a cripple, Paulinho’s the one that rates him. I suppose you could mean he’s completely shit ?

  17. Paulinho

    As Keyser said other day, International football is the ‘reality’ of football. Football stripped raw from financial contamination. Where you really judge a player. So the RVP you’v seen for Holland is the real one, the default version you would see turn up for Man City, Barcelona or Real Madrid.

  18. SDE

    This was one of my favourite posts from the other night from Gambon to Keyser..

    gambonJune 16, 2012 00:01:14

    “KeyserNo i understood your point entirely.You were suggesting that England form means fuck all, and i agree, international football is a stupid way to judge players.

    Heres where your point becomes shite. Theo is fucking useless at club level.

    Now i suppose you will tell me that doesnt matter either? The only thing that matters is what he does on the training pitch?”

    Had me in absolute stitches..
    Brought tears to my eyes..still does..Could not stop rolling around..

    Especially the last line..sums up Keyser really..A 1st class resident J/off

  19. Paulinho

    The champions league final and being booed by the Bayern fans probably effected Robben in this tournament.

  20. SDE

    Mayank..

    Well there’s always one…

    I mean Keyser might object to Becks being a twat..He always likes to be different..Go against the tide…The contrarian j/off!!

  21. Doo Woop

    Robben reminds me of gervinho…

    Holds the ball, holds the ball, pour some trickery and then…. big nothing, that’s what’s then

  22. SDE

    Doo Woop

    And robbery definitely not a crippleFor sure I’ve never seen a cripple so greedy

    Reply

    LOL..LOLLOLLOL

    Best comment of the day!!

  23. Keyser

    “International football is the ‘reality’ of football. Football stripped raw from financial contamination.”

    Ahaha, exactly, to make sense you’d have to have Arsenal grouped in with Citeh, Madrid and Barcelona.

    I mean I know you’re losing what little understanding you used to have, but surely you see the mistake you’ve made there ?!

  24. Rhyle

    Gambon…I’m a bit hungover and, yes, taking it a little too seriously tonight. It’s Sunday…what else am I going to do while the football’s on?

    I just think you’re a bit of a tit…as I say, you crack on, Mighty One (still can’t believe you call yourself that. Magic.)…you used to be a good read and you still cast out a nugget a two every week. As for being an idea? You can barely construct a sentence these days…so I’d think putting together an idea is a bit beyond you.

    But as I say you keep bashing your angry, stubby little fingers across your keyboard and eke out those little gems like “I hope Wenger catches cancer”…the world would be poorer without it…

  25. Doo Woop

    Funny enough my mobile corrected Robben to robbery

    To my surprise, it was perfectly correct after the autocorrection

  26. Keyser

    SDE – Just after I first introduced myself to you, it’s like when you chat to peoplef rom Birmingham after a while you start imitating them.

  27. Confidentgoner

    Why someone wants Affelay in our club beats my imagination! he is a poor man’s version of Robben. The Dutch team suufffered from poor wing backs and a creative player – that is not sharp enough- Sneider. Add to that a coach that gambled with mainly strikers for a strong team like the Portugese side.

    This Euro performance deserves a sack. the Dutch have never had it so bad. Goinmg out in the qualifiers???? Give me a f****kn break

  28. gambon

    Rhyle

    Just remember, if it wasnt for me and the gambonistas Wenger never wouldve signed Arteta, Mertesacker, Benayoun and Santos, and we wouldve finished 7th.

    He wouldve signed a load of french african 9 year olds, and made an enquiry for Amaury Bischoff.

  29. Keyser

    Paulinho – Firstly, he scored 40 odd goals playing for a team you’ve constantly derided over the past few years, secondly wouldn’t playing for a team with the ridiculous qualities Real Madrid say have mask his weaknesses anyway ?!

    “But he will do f-all at any other big club. Jogging horizontally across the pitch like a cripple, back and forth.”

    Make your mind up.

  30. SDE

    Keyser
    “SDE – Just after I first introduced myself to you, it’s like when you chat to peoplef rom Birmingham after a while you start imitating them.”

    Reply
    Like that ‘ole addage from the French philosopher Descartes ..
    “I think therefore I am..”

    Very apt in your case…

    As in you think like a retard,therefore you are a retard…Simple really..

  31. Paulinho

    SDE- I’ve got a plenty experience of it.

    Although I suspect I’ve just called his bluff and once again he hasn’t really got a point at all.

  32. Rhyle

    Gambon – that is true….if it wasn’t for the Mighty One and his Gambonistas that could’ve happened. Then Wenger would’ve potentially lost his job or walked.

    So…I guess we’ve got you to blame that he’s still in the role?

    Well played, Gambon…well played…

  33. Paulinho

    As I suspected.

    Keyser – Club football is irrelevant like you said. Take away Real Madrid, City and Barcelona then and just judge him on Holland.

  34. Keyser

    “As in you think like a retard,therefore you are a retard…Simple really..”

    Exactly, I think like you, therefore at that moment in time I am like you.

  35. SDE

    Paulinho..

    Lol….

    He’s started already…Don’t know what the heck he bangs on about half the time..

    But he’ll be an interesting human experiment,for the psychiatrists @ the looney hospital..

    He does crack me up though!!

  36. Paulinho

    Keyser and Gambon basically make this site. Gambon takes most of the words out of my mouth and Keyser is just well, Keyser.

  37. Keyser

    Paulinho – “But he will do f-all at any other big club. Jogging horizontally across the pitch like a cripple, back and forth.”

    fucking hell mate. Even if you can’t ackowledge your own bullshit then he’s still better than Robben.

  38. gambon

    The mighty one would never back the signing of a cheap, dog eating loser from Monaco.

    I was calling for Ba, Cavani, Cisse, Gameiro, Falcao as a striker. Most of them have had damn good seasons.

  39. Keyser

    Paulinho used to show a good grasp of footballing knowledge, now, partly frazzled by Wenger’s obstinance and the great loss of Hleb to the footballing world, he meanders his way through the blog making defunct comments like tonight.

    He used to be soo much more, damn you Wenger, and you Alexander.

  40. Goon from BD

    Mayank- What I meant was that Barcelona players are flexible as in some of them can be great in all areas of the pitch(Alves,Busquets,Iniesta,Messi) but they have to play to the system which is rigid and consistent with specific and disciplined roles for the players. They aren’t allowed to do their own thing all the time unlike at Arsenal. There is too much freedom and thats why players are constantly out of position which creates panic and loss of discipline.

    SDE- Well where should I start? I mentioned that in parts and in some games we played in a rigid system without too much freedom to the players. I agree that it is inconsistent and some players aren’t good enough/inconsistent/injured to do it. It would have been also difficult to find consistency because of so many changes in players,injuries etc to build up a disciplined system. That is why I say we shouldn’t be losing players who contribute and improve the squad to create a competitive atmosphere. All that is completely down to the management.

  41. Paulinho

    Keyser – As I’ve said repeatedly, RVP has found a niche at Arsenal.

    What you see for Holland is more like the one you’ll see for Holland,even though I’d argue there isn’t much difference in his level of play. After all he doesn’t do anything magical for Arsenal in general play and yet for some reason people expect it for Holland in tournaments like these.

    I would say rather than his have flaws masked at Barca, they would just get more exposed. Iniesta and Messi would be way too mobile and technical for him to keep up. Moves would keep breaking down with him because he can’t do what they do in tight spaces.

  42. SDE

    Keyser

    Exactly, I think like you, therefore at that moment in time I am like you.

    Reply

    Really Keyser…You think like me…

    Excelllent..Maybe you can help me solve this problem that’s been causing me sleepless nights…

    I’m trying to solve this stochastic weiner process..
    Basically trying to find an explicit closed form solution
    for :
    Xt=Xesigma Wt+ Ut= elog X+sigmaWt+Ut?

    Can you help me my dearest retarded friend?

  43. Rhyle

    Not getting funny or owt but RAIN MAN could do maths, SDE…throwing out a random question and admitting you don’t know the answer doesn’t show how clever you, just how clever you’re not…lol…like your work, though…stochastic wiener…lol…

  44. Keyser

    Paulinho – Haha, why didn’t you just say that then, instead of making yourself look like an idiot by contradicting yourself.

    You’ve made the point before, though without the mistake and it’s bollocks. Holland have no cohesion, no defence, it’d be pathetic to slate RVP for it and not deride Robben completely.

    The whole point is that teams like Madrid, Citeh and Barcelona have enough individual talent throughout the teamand deep onto the bench to mask a lack of cohesion or direct gameplan. Barcelona not quite as much, their squad on the whole is weaker, but their gameplan stronger.

    How many International teams can match their depth ? Maybe Spain ?!

  45. Keyser

    SDE – Hahaha, that has to be one of the most dopiest things you’ve ever come up with.

    If I thought like YOU, and YOU couldn’t solve it, you dopey twat, than how the fuck would I SOLVE it thinking like YOU.

    fucking hell.

    Go to sleep mate.

  46. Goon from BD

    Exactly… RVP’s game in a Dutch shirt has nothing wrong with it. He just seems too desperate when the chances which rarely are a result of “great football” and the players have fuck all connection between them. They can’t keep the ball high up the pitch and increase the tempo while they also have no off the ball movement other than Van Persie. When they do take the ball high up the pitch Paulinho’s favourite spastic Robben fucks it up with his one dimensional repetitive cut in side and shooting fuckwittery. The talent isn’t balanced. The defenders are god awful anyway so they have to play cunts like De Jong in midfield. Oh and Sneijder is no “great” playmker either. He is just Mr.accurate. VdV is easily a better tight space player and can move without the ball to spaces created by Van Persie.

    RvP is a very good tight space player LOL. He is the perfectly made for the Barcelona system. He will struggle at Real Madrid. Paulinho, don’t try and pretend you have a clue. VELA AND HLEB FOR FFS!!!!!

  47. SDE

    Rhyle

    I thought you’d be smart enough to know..that I wouldn’t throw out such a question,if I didn’t know the answer,more so on a football blog…

    I was being sarcastic..& yes I do know the answer..it’s about two A4 pages long…

    Want me to email you the answers…?

  48. SDE

    Keyser

    I can solve it…I can email you the answers too if you want…
    You can’t solve it…

    Therefore you don’t think like me,which implies as I’ve said along ..that you are a retard!!

    Night..Night!!

  49. Paulinho

    Keyser – No, you looked the idiot as usual. How did I contradict myself when my analysis of RVP was based on his performances for Holland? The City, Madrid, Barca thing was basically an extra that you could either take or leave.

    RVP is part of the reason they have no cohesion, He’s part of the problem, unless he’s basically Klass Jan Huntetaar?

    You can only really survive and prosper at these clubs if you’re fluid and mobile, especially at the sharp end of the pitch. Players like Khedira can bluff it to an extent.

    Fabregas has even been found out a bit at times at Barca, and he has a similar problem to RVP in terms of mobility and pace.

    The likes of Iniesta and Messi would soon suss out that RVP can’t play on their level and would start ignoring him. They play high risk/high reward and RVP is a medium risk/medium reward player.

  50. Keyser

    “Exactly, I think like you, therefore at that moment in time I am like you.”

    Goodnight mate, No sleepless nights for you now.

  51. Paulinho

    Goon – Is that why he had the turning circle of an oil tanker against Milan in the second leg? And against every top team when he receives the ball just in front of their back for.

    It’s different being good in tight spaces when static, and being good when you’re in motion and part of a passing move.

  52. Rhyle

    SDE – You were being sarcastic? REALLY?

    I’m so sorry…and here’s me sitting here getting all doofusy about it. Red faced!

  53. SDE

    A man that goes around calling other people,idiots,muppets fucking twats..
    I believe suffers from very low=self-esteem..

    Scientific fact!!

    So Keyser not only do you suffer from low self-esteem,you are also retarded!!

    Wow.. what a combination..

    You’d be a prize catch for any girl..I’ll tell you..!

    A girl’s dream/nightmare? Delete as appropriate…

  54. Goon from BD

    “RvP is shit because he has become more efficient instead of trying to dribble through everyone and shoot from an impossible angle like when he was a kid. On the other hand Hleb and Vela are better attacking talents”- Paulinho the lunatic.

    I never could have guessed in my life time these sort of people actually exist,

  55. Paulinho

    Efficient = Huntelaar.

    RVP has basically turned in Huntelaar, which was my point all along Goon, not that he was ‘shit’ player. Comprehension not a strong point I see.

  56. SDE

    Rhyle..

    Yeah I know…

    But Keyser is the only I get arsey with…

    I don’t go around calling anyone else idiots,muppets,twats..Because I’m losing an argument,or trying to show someone up,to mask one’s various deficiencies…like Keyser..

    So don’t think my logic was/is twisted…As me calling him a retard is an isolated case/event!!

  57. Keyser

    Paulinho – Don’t hide behind crap like that, we can go endlessly in circles because you like to make snide comments that you’ll spend hours trying to fit into your argument, or we can discuss things rationally.

    Players like Xavi have found a niche, Ibrahimovic was accomodated and he’s far less mobile than Van Persie, Hleb wasn’t at all, he WAS ignored, but you’d probably concede that right ?!

    Van Persie didn’t find himself a niche, he carved the corniche himself taking into consideration what was around him. The problem he’d face is whether he can re-adjust, and he’s still got enough years in him to do that.

    “You can only really survive and prosper at these clubs if you’re fluid and mobile, especially at the sharp end of the pitch”

    At Barcelona maybe, but then the whole point of their ethos is that it’s team orientated they can and will find ways around it, look at any of the better looking teams at the Euro’s, Germany and Spain especially they work soo well, because regardless of the players they can revert to a type that at it’s base is simple enough to overcome most teams.

    You’ve made the Fabregas point before, you were wrong then, but oddly countered it with Xavi, who undermines the whole point.

    Think about it for once, when Van Persie wasn’t getting the ball where did he go ?

  58. Dan Ahern

    Holland were garbage this whole tournament, what a letdown. So much talent, but such inability to play together. Their back line was incredibly suspect, but they only scored a goal per game anyway. Looked like a failed system. All the players coming to collect the ball, but nobody moving around getting open, creating space and passing lanes.
    Even Sneijder looked woeful.

    I said as much last game, but I wouldn’t even have played Robben. If they kept stats on Curled Shots That Miss By 5 Yards, or Open Teammates Ignored, he would be the uncontested leader.

  59. Keyser

    SDE – So you only call me a retard, muppet, twat, when you’re losing an argument. it’s cool I can take it.

  60. Goon from BD

    ” Is that why he had the turning circle of an oil tanker against Milan in the second leg? And against every top team when he receives the ball just in front of their back for.

    It’s different being good in tight spaces when static, and being good when you’re in motion and part of a passing move.”

    Can’t you fucking understand that his role has changed drastically in the past few years and he is become good at it because he has concentrated on other aspects which could be the reason behind him sometimes messing up a few touches here and there? Who the hell in world football doesn’t mess up touches ever? But that makes too much sense and doesn’t suit your imaginary theories you like to believe in.

    He scored against Germany by changing direction swiftly to create the shooting opportunity when Hummels was just behind him. Managed to score against United on the turn last season. He takes a swift turn a lot of times but he hardly needs to do it because his choice of direction is almost spot on with his first touch and most of the time makes the best decision. But you want blow Hleb so you won’t notice.

  61. Dan Ahern

    Does anybody else think van Persie looked miserable out there? I know there’s always been talk of him and Sneijder not getting along, but wow. It looked like nobody on his team likes him. What’s up with that?

  62. SDE

    Dan Ahern

    Holland were a massive disappointment…

    Probably worse than the French team in 2010 WC..

    I expected much more from them…Anti-Climax or what…!!

    Robben I believe is just utter tripe…Baffles me as to why the Manager includes him in the first eleven,let alone the squad…

    I’m not an advocate of punch-ups by any stretch of the imagination..But I can understand why Ribery chinned him one@ Bayern..

    The man refuses to change…..Totally selfish…

  63. Goon from BD

    RvP has become Huntelaar lol. Don’t compare RvP to the spastics you picture while wanking. Deluded cunt.

  64. Paulinho

    “Ibrahimovic was accomodated and he’s far less mobile than Van Persie”

    No he’s not, and he’s a better player than RVP. Not even close IMO. The guy consistently takes the ball downs runs at defences. RVP never does that, he just passes off. There’s that Arsenal bias again and falling into lazy ‘category’ thinking rather than what you’re actually seeing. Watch Ibra against Arsenal in Milan and see how lacking in mobility he is.

    “You’ve made the Fabregas point before, you were wrong then, but oddly countered it with Xavi, who undermines the whole point.”

    No I was right then and proven right when Guardiola tried to put him in the same position at various times last season and he couldn’t adapt. Xavi lacks pace and power over a distance but in short spaces he far more adept than Fabregas and can turn on a dime and play between the lines. I believe the word i used was ‘spring’.

    RVP dropped deep, got the ball, and passed it off. Your point is?

  65. Dan Ahern

    SDE – Yeah, it’s unbelievable. I mean, I understand why he gets played. He’s an elite dribbler down the wing. But good god, he’s so selfish it’s counterproductive. To his credit, he laid the ball off to van der Vaart for their goal today. What a rare decision of his–and it was their one goal. Coincidence?
    I don’t think they should’ve persisted with him. Van der Vaart or Afellay should start in his place. Even Kuyt would probably be an improvement. He’s not nearly as skilled, but he works hard and plays team ball.

  66. Paulinho

    “Can’t you fucking understand that his role has changed drastically in the past few years and he is become good at it because he has concentrated on other aspects which could be the reason behind him sometimes messing up a few touches here and there?”

    Er, didn’t Rooney play as number nine in 10/11 and score over 25 goals after seasons of playing as number ten, and then go back to being a number ten when Valencia was injured and still score a load of goals?

    Erm……….

  67. Goon from BD

    “Robben I believe is just utter tripe…Baffles me as to why the Manager includes him in the first eleven,let alone the squad…”

    Wonder why Mourinho got rid….I honestly believe the guy is mentally ill. Absolute cunt who let Chelsea win the CL. His decision making is just so astonishingly awful. Only ugly,deluded cunts like P******* without any hair like him because he can relate to him.

  68. telarse

    Thay shitbird Ibrahimovic looks far and away the best player at the Euros so far and I hate the twat!!

    Wonder if he’d cost over £11 million…

  69. Keyser

    Paulinho – Did you only watch one leg ? We can start by you trying to explain both.

    “No I was right then and proven right when Guardiola tried to put him in the same position at various times last season and he couldn’t adapt.”

    No, you’re not, what position ? Xavi’s already playing his limited, albiet very adeptly played role, unless you’re saying times when only one of them was on the pitch at any given time ?!

    ‘Spring’ – haha, mate struggling to make it fit again. Not dynamic ?! Heh, you simply can’t give up the xavi thing, even when you’re completely wrong.

  70. Goon from BD

    Oh yes I love Alexandre Song more than Aliaksandr Hleb. The fucker’s name spells wrong even 😆

  71. Keyser

    The RVP point, he drops deep, goes out wide, beat the defender at least once and crossed to the middle, he tries to vary it, because apart from maybe Sneidjer no-one else is willing to defer anything, Robben went and hid on the right, offered willems nothing going back and simply stood out wide expecting passes.

    That’s partly why there’s no cohesion, Robben is a shocking team player, even at Bayern, at least Ribery tries to fit into the team, Robben is simply let loose and he’s struggling now his legs aren’t quite what they were.

  72. Paulinho

    Keyser – Weren’t paying attention again eh? It’s actually quite important when you try and be smart arse. Xavi was rested alot last year, and had injury problems. Fabregas played in his role a few times at the back end of last season and struggled to adjust.

    Again, your wrong about Xavi. See it’s quite easy isn’t it? Just to say people are wrong without saying anything to counter it. You can’t seem to comprehand that Xavi is more nimble and mobile in tight spaces, and that would explain your general lack of awareness is basically everything else.

  73. Keyser

    Dan Ahern – It’s a comparison between Fabregas and Xavi, their roles, talents and what they’ve been asked to do.

    Paulinho’s refined his argument to this at present, it usually varies quite a bit.

    “No I was right then and proven right when Guardiola tried to put him in the same position at various times last season and he couldn’t adapt. Xavi lacks pace and power over a distance but in short spaces he far more adept than Fabregas and can turn on a dime and play between the lines. I believe the word i used was ‘spring’.”

  74. Lordbergkamp

    All of you – RvP is fab with us, I mean it’s only taken us 5 years to get him fit for a whole season and to score a hatful…

    If we get an offer of £30m. Sell. Him. The. Fuck. Away.

    He ain’t gonna play a full season next year! He’ll be shite at next club as they won’t build a team around him. He’ll be second fiddle to Aguero at Manshitty.

    Enjoy obscurity.

  75. Paulinho

    “The RVP point, he drops deep, goes out wide, beat the defender at least once and crossed to the middle”

    Exactly he crossed. You’ve just basically summed up his limitations right there.

  76. Paulinho

    Limited role is bollocks as well. Maybe earlier in his career but as he’s developed he knits play together higher up the pitch and in very congested areas.

  77. Goon from BD

    Don’t talk shit. Cesc was played as a false#9 and they played with two false9s with Cesc and Messi. Thiago was the one who took Xavis position and at times Iniesta or Dos Santos.

  78. Keyser

    Paulinho – What did I say about getting all upset and resorting to the norm.

    Xavi was rested which is why I asked the question you nutter, when they were in the team together, which would make your point a lesser one, whatever the point is now, or when he wasn’t there.

    You talked of dynamism, haha funny you’ve refined it to’Spring’, and Xavi’s talents are now..

    “You can’t seem to comprehand that Xavi is more nimble and mobile in tight spaces”

    Talk of fucking niches, and there you go, we get to the endgame, Thank You and goodnight.

  79. Keyser

    “Exactly he crossed. You’ve just basically summed up his limitations right there.”

    Haha, limitations, no mate he’s just not superhuman, and he actually managed to cross with his right, rather than poke at it with his left. He didn’t hide out wide, he tried to be effective for the team, just the word ‘team’ and Holland relate pretty loosely.

  80. Keyser

    “Don’t talk shit. Cesc was played as a false#9 and they played with two false9s with Cesc and Messi. Thiago was the one who took Xavis position and at times Iniesta or Dos Santos.”

    Yeah, but Paulinho mean’t that one time at bandcap, or Alconcorn, L’hospitalet, where Fabregas might have positioned himself in the general vicinity.

  81. Paulinho

    Keyser – So what exactly are you arguing against then?

    Nothing as per usual.

    Remember those exchanges were about Fabregas being Xavi’s replacement, so yeah those attributes are quite important, and our not niches, especially when taking into consideration Barca’s style of play.

    And yeah we’ve got to the endgame, and you’ve been sacked by a fatty defensive back.

  82. Goon from BD

    RvP is the best player in Holland but his teammates are shit. Robben can only cut inside and shoot while Sneijder tries to copy Song by trying lobbed passes aiming at nobody 😆 . Its just jealousy I tell you. They are all just jealous of RvP’s awesomeness and sad little ugly fuckers who can only make P********* like them.

  83. Goon from BD

    The cunt even imagines watching players playing in a different position because it suits his imaginary theories. See a doctor……fucking clown.

  84. Keyser

    Paulinho – “RVP will be a big loss because like so many other he’s found a niche at Arsenal.”

    “Fabregas has even been found out a bit at times at Barca, and he has a similar problem to RVP in terms of mobility and pace.”

    “Xavi lacks pace and power over a distance but in short spaces he far more adept than Fabregas and can turn on a dime and play between the lines.”

    Heh. So despite being more limited and working within his own margins in a specific role.

    “Remember those exchanges were about Fabregas being Xavi’s replacement, so yeah those attributes are quite important, and our not niches, especially when taking into consideration Barca’s style of play.”

    Mate, what are you even trying to say, that Xavi just happened to be the perfect fit for a team that wanted to play a specific style, a style that didn’t rely on niche players but a greater team ethos, at the same time not being dynamic, having lesser stamina over longer distances, being less powerful was just what the team needed rather than just what Xavi happened to offer ?!

  85. Paulinho

    And Goon can’t even come up with a decent response to Rooney changing positions without much trouble?

    Thought not, you dopey cunt.

    And Fabregas played in holding role after Barca lost to Madrid and the title was lost.

  86. Paulinho

    “Mate, what are you even trying to say, that Xavi just happened to be the perfect fit for a team that wanted to play a specific style, a style that didn’t rely on niche players but a greater team ethos, at the same time not being dynamic, having lesser stamina over longer distances, being less powerful was just what the team needed rather than just what Xavi happened to offer ?!”

    Exactly, and like the argumentative twat you are you had to go and argue with it!

    Basically I said Fabregas would struggle to emulate Xavi in the same role because he lacks certain attributes. Nothing controversial really, but Keyser tried to be a smart arse again.

    Yet you still don’t learn it seems.

  87. Goon from BD

    “And Fabregas played in holding role after Barca lost to Madrid and the title was lost.”
    BULLSHIT.

    As for Rooney…..its because RvP is too good and too special to waste time running around copying James Milner. Its because RvP creates more chances and plays more key passes(one of the top 5 in Europe was it?) without even touching the ball half as much Rooney. Look up the statistics.

  88. Keyser

    Paulinho – No you didn’t, you said dynamic, you plum if you go back you’d have seen that I acknowledged that and the whole point was that you wouldn’t ask Fabregas to do that, If Fabregas was more talented had greater pace and power, a more varied skillset going forward, ie he WAS actually more dynamic.

    Why the fuck would you ask him to play the exact role Xavi would ?

    It’s not that Fabregas couldn’t play the role, it’s that he’d be wasted playing it, even then it’s something the team has been built around, it’s a niche role and he’s played it ever since he started at the club, and if they can find one for him, they surely could for a player like Van Persie.

    Van Persie didn’t find one, he carved it, despite the players around him at Arsenal he’s actually improved.

  89. Keyser

    One point of yours actually contradicts another, surprise surprise.

    To relate it to Holland, and back to club football, teams like Citeh and Madrid don’t have weaknesses in any particular area, Van Persie wouldn’t have to stretch himself, and teams like Barcelona are built to assimilate individuals into the group.

  90. Paulinho

    “Why the fuck would you ask him to play the exact role Xavi would ?”

    Er, because everyone kept saying he would be Xavi’s replacement maybe?

    He’s got more to his game than Xavi but at Barca it’s all bit jack of all trades master of none whereas Xavi’s got a more concentrated skillset, so it’s nonsense to suggest he would wasted. That assumes that he could do the role in his sleep or something, which would be far from the case, and Barca’s combination play from deep would definately go down a level as Fabregas wouldn’t receive the ball in such tight areas and open up space for others.

  91. incesc

    forget xavi

    did SDE really say this?

    “A man that goes around calling other people,idiots,muppets fucking twats..
    I believe suffers from very low=self-esteem..”

    my irony measurer just exploded

  92. Paulinho

    So Dzeko had to stretch himself at Wolfsburg but at City he didn’t?

    How has that worked out for him?

    Wow what a lame argument. and yet you somehow desperately try and bring up the contradiction bullshit as well to cap it off.

  93. Dan Ahern

    incesc – Hahaha, yeah, I had a good laugh at that too. You forgot the ultimate irony-clincher though: in his next sentence, after all that, he calls Keyser a retard!

  94. sam

    niklas bendtner is a winner, this time he’ll find a team and hopefully he will start pre-season training with his new club.
    as for van persie, its time arsenal spend money for a proper centre-forward. even the dutch coach fell for wenger’s crazy experiment. huntelaar should have played instead.
    van persie scores pretty goals but doesn’t really get dirty like a proper number 9. and sometimes his misses are really pathetic, that doesn’t we should sell him.

  95. Dan Ahern

    I think we ought to stop this war, boys.
    New topic:
    Can we sell Bendtner? He scored and assisted in the group of death. Not bad, right? Maybe a 5m player now? However, which team can we find in the market for him that would want those wages?

  96. Keyser

    “So Dzeko had to stretch himself at Wolfsburg but at City he didn’t?”

    Work it out for yourself.

    “But he will do f-all at any other big club. Jogging horizontally across the pitch like a cripple, back and forth.”

    Fuck me, how has it worked out for him ? He’s scored less, played less and won a title.

    “That assumes that he could do the role in his sleep or something, which would be far from the case,”

    No, you nutter, Xavi’s been there for more than a decade now, unless you’re saying he strolled into the role, has played it supremely, with like you say limited attributes, then surely he’s made it own because he’s been given enough time. Could Fabregas do it given time ? Yes most probably, but you wouldn’t bring him in for that, you’d be better off giving it to Thiago or someone, ultimately you’d want a better balance throughout the midfield. rather than relying on Xavi playing a niche role.

    You’re comparison is weak, Fabregas has played there a handful of games, Barcelona spent periods without Iniesta playing aswell as Pedro and they missed Villa for a large portion of the season, and unless you’re completly blind you’d have seen the difference regardless of whether Xavi plays or not.

  97. Dan Ahern

    sam – With all due respect… madness! RvP is incredible. Three bad games on a dysfunctional team doesn’t make him a bad player! (He even scored a really nice goal in one, actually.) Where were you this season?!

  98. Paulinho

    Keyser – Yes, Fabregas could be used further up the pitch, but not in the Xavi role, doing what Xavi does which has been an essential part of their rise, if not the only part. That’s the point your’re not quite grasping.

    Fabregas has said himself what a challenge it will be, having developed a vertical game at Arsenal and abandoned his horizontal Barca roots somewhat. Abandoned to an extent as well because vertical suits repetition and stamina, his strong points.

    On RVP, I was having a dig at his gait. It goes deeper than that of course and you know that, of course.

  99. sam

    @dan
    robin van persie is not a number 9 i know he’s playing with a crazy dutch team and had a long season.
    he’s still not a centre-forward, they could have at least played him number 10 behind huntelaar

  100. Keyser

    Paulinho – Heh, you argued against niche roles, by basically describing a niche role for Xavi.

    Xavi’s been essential because he is a very good player, but also because they made him an essential player, they didn’t look around ask him to adapt, maybe they did earlier on but certainly not when they added other more individually talented players, you seem to think just because he was successful at this, they couldn’t have found a way around it.

    The more talented players do.

    You’re digs at RVP are cheap, I honestly don’t think you really believe in them, bar maybe to rile posters on here, they don’t have much substance, especially when you use Robben as an example.

    Anyway the International point, there are few teams at club level who efficiently bring together players to an elite level without being dominated by teams who have greated squad depth and so on.

    Spain and Germany are probably the stand out teams at the Euro’s but both will have a heavy prescence from a specific team in their own league.

    France in comparison have a weaker more even minded league,d espite PSG, but a strong base at youth level, and the disparity is not as present.

  101. Paulinho

    We can finish this some other time, but just one thing. When I talk of niches for RVP, I mean in terms of environment and culture. He’s found his ‘spiritual home’ at Arsenal and had time to completely settle into his role her as a senior player.

    I’m not talking about his position.

  102. Keyser

    It doesn’t really matter, he’s just one player that could be used to describe a far wider problem or topic as a microcosm.

  103. Keyser

    Interesting for what it is.

    There was no team connection at all in the Holland team not one player played at club level with another International teammate.

    Also with the dutch league being what it is I don’t think there’s many that actually played in the eredivisie, so no league connection either.

  104. Dan Ahern

    sam – They did. Tonight.
    I agree it’s more natural for him to play behind the striker. But he’s proved he can be up front just fine in Arsenal’s setup. And he looks good doing it.

  105. Dan Ahern

    Keyser – Yeah, that is interesting. Compare that with WC winners and last Euros winners Spain, who are basically half Barca. Or 2006 Italy who all played domestic league, many on the same few teams. Or 2004 Greece who were just a bunch of friends who play pickup games and decided, “What the hell, we’re not doing anything this Summer–we’re Greek!” and entered the competition.

  106. Pollux

    RVP will sign. He just want a better deal and is leaving it to his agent to do the negotiation which obviously takes time. There is no way he will forsake us like Cesc Fuckagas, Samir Cuntsri and Gael Twatchy