Robin does us proud, Arsenal finally win a trophy!

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Well done Robin, you got what your play deserves and finally won what we can claim as a trophy, the first since Thierry Henry won it in 2004.

I have to say you had it coming and I’m glad you weren’t pipped at the post by one of Mancini’s mercenaries.

Talking of which at least they have to try and beat Newcastle now, well one would hope anyway because I could easily see them getting our third spot.

I think that although Spurs and Chelsea can still overhaul us Newcastle are in the best position. I would think 6 points from our last two games will see us over the line and barring a disaster, we should manage that.

Winning at Stoke next week would all but guarantee that.

I was thinking about who we have fit left in our ranks that could help us do that this season and the return of Diaby would be a great asset at Victoria Road.

Chezzer

Sagna Kozzer Vermaelen Gibbs

Rosicky Song Diaby

Robin Chamakh Bennayoun

What Chamakh you all scream? Yes I would for this one, a bit of height in there for me is what we need. I leave Ramsey out as we don’t want him wetting the bed at the scene of the Ryan Shawcross horror tackle. So the inclusion of Diaby in there would be the right move.

I have always rated Diaby and he looked good when he came on against the chavs, my problem with him is he can’t stay uninjured for long, if he could he would be in my starting 11 every time. Lets see if he can stay fit for the run in, if he can he could make the difference, if he can’t it’s time to move him on.

If we qualify for the ECL, and by qualify I mean 3rd spot, then we should go into the market early and with intent.

That means no more bargain basement and no more unknowns.

Whatever happens this season cannot be considered anything other than a dismal failure. 10 losses and no trophies is unacceptable for a team like Arsenal. If any of you out there are crowing about the prospect of finishing third and Wenger’s greatest achievement blah, blah, blah then you have been conned big time.

I was thinking about what went wrong with Arshavin, the player who got 4 against Liverpool was rarely seen again, here’s my take.

I think Arshavin was a Gazidas buy, I think the board forced his hand and Wenger was never happy with that.

If my memory serves me right I also think all four of those goals came from the middle and the hole he loves to play in, he was forced out of position and with that his form went south.

Wenger was sulking and Arshavin paid the price, that’s only my opinion though and I could be wrong. (I doubt it though)

Either way we need to move him on with at least 10 others, with that money saved and received we could bring in Hazard, Verthnghen, Podolski and M’Via and those four would make the difference between us qualifying for Europe or winning in Europe.

I put Podolski in there as Pedro is convinced he’s coming, and I do like him, but I would prefer a Benzema.

The amount of players we have out on loan is scandalous and totally unnecessary, how many of our loanees ever make it? Very few I can tell you.

I would then seriously look for a left back and back up keeper with the change.

Talking of left backs I would even consider playing Santos as a wide man in the run in and move Bennayoun into the middle.

Lets face it, with three games to go we don’t have burn out to worry about do we!

Have a great day Grovers, tomorrow you’ll get Pedro the pollster back.

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  1. Bergkamp63

    Goondawg,

    Last year we finished 12 points behind the winners and 3 points behind 2nd.

    Currently we are 18 points behind top and 15 points behind 2nd.

    I’m not sure we could construe that as progress ?

  2. SDE

    Keyser
    “Even if you don’t think Wenger would spend the money surely you’d see that now we’re this close to getting close to market value for sponsorship deals it’d be pointless to drop out of the top four to instigate change either in manager or policy.”

    Reply
    Market Value based on what..?Our placing in top 4,and our record in the CL?Our unrivalled success..
    Sponsorship Co’s,are not stupid..they pay the going rate in line with other clubs,in similar positions..And they do mark-up accordingly..
    Either way,assume there’s a large infusion of revenue/cash from these sponsorship renewals..
    Do you honestly think,and I reiterate again..Wenger will deviate from his norm and go out there & buy players of quality..?Or continue with the status quo..?

    I’m inclined to believe,based on his track record over a 7 year period,that he won’t…

    But you would rather wait another 4 years,hoping the mad pseudo-socialist will radically,or via some miracle do a u-turn,and spend some..

    If there ever was going to be change,it would have been this season..Where he should have had contingency plans in place& covered for cesc& nasri leaving & a DM+ LB+GK
    A decisive manager with ambition & his senses intact(not eroding by the year)would have maximised the revenue generated from the cecs deal & would have been scouring the globe for an adequate replacement(s)…way before the season ended..10/11

    PS
    Arteta of 3 years ago,might have been a more than decent replacement..Ever since his injury..he’s never been the same..Even with the arteta deal,he got him on the cheap..
    A leopard never changes his spots….You should know that..
    Look how closely attached you are to wenger’s posterior,despite all evidence pointing to the fact, that the man-wenger is well past his sell by date..
    There are new sheriffs in town mate..
    And I for one would like to see wenger run out of town…

    Roll the dice I say..!!!
    Nothing ventured,nothing gained!!

  3. Keyser

    “I’m inclined to believe,based on his track record over a 7 year period,that he won’t…”

    Think you should look at that 7 year period, we built a brand new stadium, spent 400 million, during that period their’s been a global economic crisis, and in terms of football we’ve had to deal with 2 different teams spending upwards of a billion pounds each as our rivals.

    If our sponsorship deals increase it’s money we’ve not had before, more money, we’ve got a healthy bank balance that has grown over those years it wasn’t there to begin with and we’ve maintained a certain position in the league.

  4. SDE

    goondawg

    “I’d rather watch Arsenal in champions league and attract the best players possible than regress as a club. ”

    Reply
    And what best players,have we attracted over the past 7 years..whilst qualifying for CL then?

    Chamakh,Park,Ramsey…Squillaci..Walcott,Denilson?
    Are these your definition of best players,whilst being in the CL League..?

  5. arsenal1886-2006

    Keyser.
    Depends on how you define asset stripping. Football works differently from other businesses in that your assets are the personnel and not a manufactured product such as a car. We have already seen Cesc and Nasri leave partly due to underfunding of the playing squad, Wengers fault mainly, but Stan is supposed to be the boss so he should shoulder some of the blame. I believe that RVP will also be let go of, partly to fund the buying of Podolski but also to keep the wage ceiling low. This is how Stan runs his American franchises, very similar to Wal-mart actually, buy it cheap stack it high. Also when you look at his American businesses his managers tend to look for cheap or free ageing players mixed with inexperienced youth, very rarely will he look for a player in his prime that comes with a heavy price tag. He is using the same business model with Arsenal and will deliver the same on field success with us as his stateside purchases. Zero.

    And on the Van Persie subject, I believe that Wenger wants him out. He has shown dissent towards Wenger very publicly this season in the OX substitution and Wenger does not like players telling him he is wrong, and definitely not in public.

  6. SDE

    Keyser
    “we’ve got a healthy bank balance that has grown over those years it wasn’t there to begin with and we’ve maintained a certain position in the league.”

    So we spend them on quality players like…
    Chamakh,Park,Ramsey…Squillaci..Walcott,Denilson?

    By the way,I’m not knocking Oxo,I like him,but surely if wenger can move the boat,in monetary terms for a young inexperienced,unproven at the time OX,why can’t he move the boat out for 1,or 2, so players of experienced quality,whilst shifting 1 or 2 of the dross of the books..?

    I forgot,the stadium debt right & sponsorship renewals?

  7. SDE

    Keyser

    Think you should look at that 7 year period, we built a brand new stadium, spent 400 million, during that period their’s been a global economic crisis, and in terms of football we’ve had to deal with 2 different teams spending upwards of a billion pounds each as our rivals.

    Reply
    Funny that,all that you said has not stopped him from being renumerated with a nice £7 million salary package..
    Him telling all & sundry about his pseudo-socialist principles would have thought,he would embark on some austerity package..like him deciding to have his salary reduced somewhat,or frozen,until things picked up a bit..non?

  8. Keyser

    arsenal1886-2006 – Do you know much about American Sports ? Heh, not having a go, honest question we’ve had this conversation on here and you can’t really draw parralls like that, from what I understand he pretty much lets his teams just get on with it, the Nuggets are one of the few teams I know something about and Carmelo was on a max contract and they had a very good team he’s just not likely to do what New York or Miami have done and bring 2-3 players of that ilk together.

  9. Keyser

    “By the way,I’m not knocking Oxo,I like him,but surely if wenger can move the boat,in monetary terms for a young inexperienced,unproven at the time OX,why can’t he move the boat out for 1,or 2, so players of experienced quality,whilst shifting 1 or 2 of the dross of the books..?”

    Ify ou compared him to Classic Cars would you understand ?!

  10. SDE

    Keyser

    Still have not answered my earlier question,as you like to take isolated excerpts from my commentary and ,pick out lines,rather than take my commentary as a whole..

    How do you square that wenger earns £3 million (£7 million) more,than Fergie,£4 million)?

    But fergie delivers trophies year-in-year out-2008 CL+PL Titles,etc,etc..(over 7 year period)& wenger doesn’t(well over a 7y ear period anyway)?

    PS
    I suppose it was the stadium debt,the GFC, the Mancs& Chelsea,that conspired to lose us the CC Final 2011 against a relegated Birmingham team,lead by a manager,who’s doing his level best too relegate another club currently,i.e.Aston Villa-non?

  11. Keyser

    “If Wenger really believes in sustainability then why does we have such a big bloated squad. If you have spare money you buy Gold, not 3 metres of sand.”

    This is it really, look at football and the marketplace, to find that gold we’ve basically got to take a sive go down to the river and sive through tons of sand and murky waters, you take a paleful of the water, shake it through the sive and hope you’re left with some gold.

    That’s why the squads supposedly bloated, because some teams are simply stockpiling all the good players leaving the market inflated with players worth less than their market value.

  12. wenker-wanger

    Im thoroughly pissed off with my once loved football cliub arsenal.
    in a nutshell, generally mediocre players being dug out by star performers like RVP and nasri and cesc the previous years. Winning nought and being occasionally humiliated by the mancs and birmingham in a mickey mouse final. Being knocked out early in cup matches, losing pace with the leaders of the prem and having to stomach the wenger rally-cry for an end-of season surge for a champs league place. Sick of profit-making transfer deals by selling the star players and buying imferior replacements and in some cases the most appalling useless lumps of meat in chamakh and the squid.
    Our club is a big joke, but no arsenal fan is laughing .
    If you believe in wenger you must believe in witch doctors!

  13. Keyser

    SDE – I take out points of relevance and try to trim down the answer of irrelevant matter, losing the Carling Cup final was obviously disappointing but then having won it would that have really made everything ok ? We could have rested players mid-week or in the Champions League and had Fabregas/ Walcott fit, the league just happened to have more relevance.

  14. Keyser

    “How do you square that wenger earns £3 million (£7 million) more,than Fergie,£4 million)?
    But fergie delivers trophies year-in-year out-2008 CL+PL Titles,etc,etc..(over 7 year period)& wenger doesn’t(well over a 7y ear period anyway)?”

    Also this, we’ve had to build a 400 million pound stadium, surely that shouldf actor somewhere right ? Or are you going to ignore certain things aswell.

  15. SDE

    Keyser

    A manager with foresight,vision & ambition,would have targeted players needed in place..That’s what leadership is about..
    He’d be proactive in the market,not reactive..
    Not go on a panic-buying spree & try to paper over the cracks..
    That said,if I as an ordinary,don’t know much fan,can clearly see for years now that we needed a GK..
    Why hasn’t wenger till date,addressed this issue as one example..?

    What he will wait,till Szech get’s injured,or has loss of form,to what, bring back flapinski..?

    What stopped him from getting schwarzer,or shay given?
    He had money with schwarzer,but dillied,dallied over a million,or two-non?
    Or was it the stadium debt that held him back..?Or the GFC?

    What about the Mata deal..?Was it not over a million,or two?So the money was there when he entered negotiations…?
    What happened with that deal?The GFC,stadium debt,the mancs,chelski?

    What about the Jalgeika deal?
    He came in with an improved deal of £9 million-2 million,less than the original offer of £11 million in the previous season?
    What happened there?GFC,Mancs/etc..etc?

    Or was it just a smokescreen,to make the fans believe that he was intent & serious,whilst having no intentions of note..If it was the latter..then this is a man,not to be believed, or trusted.A man economical with the truth..

    Do you think with a warchest at his disposal..he would spend…even with sponsorship renewals & thus a large infusion of cash?

    Personally based on his track record..Aarrrr..Nooooooo!

    I’m sorry to say but I think you belong in the funny farm!!

  16. arsenal1886-2006

    Keyser.

    Good answer.
    Guess the only way to open the market is player caps. 25 man squad for the first team and the same for the youth. The reserves team would utilise non playing first team players and youth team players, this would help the younger players by playing alongside experienced individuals, you would also tell from an earlier age who will make the grade to the first team.
    The youth team players should also be on a league wide capped salary until 18 years old. This way they will not be poached from smaller clubs as frequently as they are, the selling club would also get a better price for an 18 year old than they would do for a 15-16 year old.

    One more thing i would change that really bugs me is the loaning of players to other premiership teams, this should be stopped immediately.
    You can stockpile talent and then loan them out to weaker clubs in the hope they will damage your main opposition by scoring crucial goals or stopping them as the case may be, all the while knowing that they cannot play against you.

  17. SDE

    Keyser
    “Also this, we’ve had to build a 400 million pound stadium, surely that shouldf actor somewhere right ? Or are you going to ignore certain things aswell.”

    Reply:
    I repeat again…maybe I complicated the question…In its basic form

    How do you square that wenger earns £7 millionsalary package(£3 million more),than Fergie-£4 million who has some silverware to show for his meagre salary in comparison to wenger’s?

  18. kwik fit

    Newcastle currently have the best front 6 in the league with the cost of less than one Andy capp . So it’s not all about spending big , it’s all about spending right. Unfortunately Wenger has lost the ability to buy right. 30/40m spent well in the summer would make a massive difference but we still need a new coach to iron out the frailties.

  19. SDE

    Keyser

    “If Wenger really believes in sustainability then why does we have such a big bloated squad. If you have spare money you buy Gold, not 3 metres of sand.”

    “This is it really, look at football and the marketplace, to find that gold we’ve basically got to take a sive go down to the river and sive through tons of sand and murky waters, you take a paleful of the water, shake it through the sive and hope you’re left with some gold.That’s why the squads supposedly bloated, because some teams are simply stockpiling all the good players leaving the market inflated with players worth less than their market value.

    Reply
    Blimey,and we pay him £7million to find this elusive gold,or to have a bloated squad..& remain trophyless for the next decade..

    Hmmm..I think it would be cheaper,to find a manager worth his weight in gold & buy him, a la Mourinho,Hiddink,Guidiola for example..to end this drought,or 7 years of famine…

    Be far more effective..!!

    Roll the dice..I say!!

  20. Albo

    Fuck meAnd I thought Albo was in the way of healingSo Albo knows, even he had theories of how Arsene was forced to contribute his magnetic voice into the answering machine.
    ————————————

    Not exactly rocket science is it Bade? Do you really think an EPL manager gives a flying fuck about some voicemail message for ticket sales? That sort of nonsense is part of the job – just like giving interviews and press conferences.

    It’s this weird obsession with those kind of tiny little details that sums up the more unhinged people on here. It’s like the crazy obsession with the ‘attendance’ announcement that certain people had a while back. We all knew it was ticket sales. We all knew it mattered not one tiny fucking bit. And yet for some people it was the first sign of the fucking apocalypse! It’s just…weird!

  21. SDE

    Keyser
    “the Carling Cup final was obviously disappointing but then having won it would that have really made everything ok ? We could have rested players mid-week or in the Champions League and had Fabregas/ Walcott fit, the league just happened to have more relevance.”

    Reply
    Complete crap..
    This had nothing to do with resting players,or attatching more importance to the league..
    As usual,wenger treated Birmingham with contempt,like he did with Wigan & QPR this season & other clubs he considers beneath him.

    If he was serious,about winning that cup,he could have organised his team,in such a way,as to win at all costs..
    He could have employed a 4-5-1,defended & hit these guys for six on the counter,like he did in the 2005 FA Cup Finnalagainst the Mancs..when it went to penalities.
    He did damage limitation back then,having been on the end of b-2-b defeats against the Mancs in the league.The last one being the 4-2 defeat,when even John ‘O’shea scored against us..
    Oh no,he would not do that,as it would be a betrayal of his footballing mantra..

    As I’ve said,previously Wenger would rather lose beautifully,than win ugly..
    You don’t understand winning a cup of any sort,lifts the team,it instills a winning mentality especially amongst the kids in our team,who the majority of have not tasted..
    All it did was demoralise them even further,given we surrended a 4-0 lead to newcastle in the previous week..
    Yeah,the morale was high going into the CL match with Barca…after the CC defeat..Yeah the defeat had no bearing on our capitulation whatsoever..No correlation hey..?

    Even fergie,in 2005 ,when he had a 2 year barren spell,decided he wanted the CC cup against wigan at all costs..
    Why’cos he wanted his team to get back that winning mentality,not to have feelings of being perennial losers,or runners up…Roll forward from there after fergie won the CC Final against mighty “Wigan”(a rugby town).

    If it’s good for fergie,why is it not good for wenger..?
    In short,you don’t understand the devastation,wenger is doing to the this team..!!If we could not do the basics against a relegated team,such as birmingham..god help us..

    Besides,its not rocket science,that Ben foster was the weakest link in that team..His weakness was crosses..As evidenced by the fact when the Mancs,played Birmighman that season,they peppered the Brummies box with crosses & it was a rout..5-1..They did there due diligence..
    Does wenger do his..due diligence?
    That’s all wenger had to do,if he bothered to watch some videos of Ben Foster’s weakness & that match,if he really wanted to win..

    Oh..I forgot,wenger does not due video analysis,due diligence of other teams,or tactics of other teams..

    Yeah,it was us being hamstrung by the stadium debt,the GFC,the resting of players mid-week,the importance to the league and all the other baloney you spout that cost us this CC Final..

    How about simply the man in charge is a lost cause..period!!

  22. kwik fit

    Bergkamp63 Joppaaa

    The poll would be better timed when the season is over.
    Afterall the result may have a detrimental effect on the team’s performance. 🙂

  23. SDE

    JOPAA
    For me..a resounding WENGER OUT”
    & not even moved upstairs when he retires..

    PS
    Can you confirm,whether Wenger,is on the BoD?

  24. SDE

    Can anyone remember,when we won the 2005 FA Cup,
    the look of disgust on wenger’s face..Simply because of the manner in which we won it…Whilst the players were dancing for joy,having won it against the run of play..

    You could almost hear him saying,never again,will we win such a trophy/trophies in such an ugly manner..A betrayal of his beautiful footballing principles

    “Le Pardon Magnifique”-translated I would rather be a beautiful loser,than an ugly winner..
    And true to form,he’s stayed true to his principles..hence 7 years no trophies..

    PS
    Stadium debt,emergence of chavs/mancs,FFP,stockpiling of players by other teams,overinflated market,GFC,etc,etc…absolute crap!!

  25. BOOZY

    For me, i’d rather see wenger win titles for us than anyone else, he made arsenal what it is today – but sadly he wont win major trophies for us again, which is why he should be SACKED immediately this season ends.

  26. SDE

    BOOZY
    “he made arsenal what it is today” –

    Reply
    Yeah,a team with filled with mediocrity,no mental strength,perennial losers & an
    the Manc Chavs being our ATM Cash Machine.

  27. BOOZY

    And my premier league team of the season is

    -chezney-
    ivanov-komp – colo – evra
    silva- yaya – song- bale
    rvp – rooney

  28. Cesc Appeal

    Arguements on here are futile. Whilst its commendable for everyone on here to be allowed their own opinion it really does matter little.
    I love reading Le Grove everyday it’s part of my morning routine, but it changes nothing. Arsene Wenger will do next to nothing this summer. Podolski might come in early and all the AKB’s will be saying he’s learnt his lesson, but then they’ll be nothing, just like after the Ox was bought last year until the 8-2 thumping.
    Wenger thinks he knows best, what we think is irrelevant, any polls won’t change his mind, the only thing that might is a huge hit to the books but that won’t happen as long as you have a hole in your backside, Arsenal are too big. Face it we’re stuck in this Groundhog Day phase now until either Wenger retires (though i suspect he’ll have a say in who comes in to run HIS club) or Usmanov gets aggressive.
    Arsenal will face the same season next year, and the year after, and the year after…

  29. Keyser

    SDE – Heh, I can’t beleive I got sucked in again and read your posts through till end, you completely ignore anything I’ve said and continue with your diatribe.

    “I’m sorry to say but I think you belong in the funny farm!!”

    Say what you want, as soon as you start the insults I know you’re losing it.

    Go back to the OX point and the Classical Cars thing there’s a start.

  30. kwik fit

    Just seen RVP on sky holding something in his hand speaking about winning player of the year. Don’t know what he was holding though. It was a big silvery object the like of which I haven’t seen before.

  31. BOOZY

    how scott parker is so highly rated above the likes-
    song
    mikel
    ramires
    de jong
    tiote
    fellaini
    even lampard

    is a big mystery to me.

  32. BillikenGooner

    So I’m sure it was talked about earlier, and was mentioned in the post, but 6 points gets us 4th (unless some crazy change in goal dif.).

    Gotta say, I’m worried about getting 2 wins now without Arteta.

  33. SDE

    Keyser

    I suppose you think..Chamakh,Squillaci,Park,Denilson,Djourou,Senderos(before wenger,eventually succombed & let him go,1st on-loan to AC Milan,then Everton&finally Fulham-painful for wenger to let such a calamity go hey!!),Alumnia,
    Walcott, etc,etc…in your eyes are collectibles…?

    You my friend ,come out with the diatribe..& plenty of it…
    Your tactic is to deflect,and move the argument elsewhere..then come back to your comfy position of stadium debt…GFC..blah,blah..

    Anyway,I explained my take on the 2011 CC Final..
    What’s your take..?
    Even you,could find youtube links of Ben Foster back then..if you do your due diligence ,& ask why did wenger not set the team up,in order to exploit this weakness?

    Do you think mourinho would have overlooked this?Aaarr..noo..

    Fergie certainly didn’t..He had a field day..when they played the brummies..

    Or was wenger to busy being hamstrung by stadium debt& the GFC, to contemplate such minor details..

    PS
    If I talk such diatribe,why don’t you canvass a poll on here..
    Seems to me,when I hit you with some home truths,you scarper& resort deflection tactics,which you seem to be renowned for..You are learning well from your master wenger!!

  34. Cesc Appeal

    Has anyone seen Neymar’s skill on The Sun sports page. Amazing feet that boy’s got. Wenger described him as his perfect player…..go and get him then! I don’t understand Wenger. He doesn’t even try, we’re fourth in the Forbes list, masses of income it’s time we started acting like it!
    Neymar would probably mean a £30-40 Million investment. But the shirt sales, imaging rights and commercial deals just through that would be staggering! And talk about opening up a South American market where Real dominate!

  35. SDE

    Cesc Appeal
    “Has anyone seen Neymar’s skill on The Sun sports page. Amazing feet that boy’s got. Wenger described him as his perfect player…..go and get him then! I don’t understand Wenger.
    He doesn’t even try, we’re fourth in the Forbes list, masses of income it’s time we started acting like it!
    Neymar would probably mean a £30-40 Million investment. But the shirt sales, imaging rights and commercial deals just through that would be staggering! And talk about opening up a South American market where Real dominate!”

    Reply
    That’s what a manager,with ambition,foresight would do..Be proactive..not reactive..

    But according to Keyser,we are hamstrung by Stadium Debt,the GFC,Chavs,etc,etc..!!We must be prudent& sustainable,whilst continuing to be haemorraging money on the wage bill at an alarming rate..
    By keyser’s logic we’ll just wait for sponsorship renewals,then if the price is right,we will go in for him,if he’s still available..non?lol

    PS
    A manager with his finger on the pulse!

  36. BOOZY

    cesc appeal arsenal need a 100 mil investment in the squad to make it highly competitive
    neymar for 40 mil
    hazard for 35mil
    kagawa for 15mil
    vertoghen for 7 mil

    that 102 mil to kick ass.

  37. Gunner2301

    Geoff another great post. Nothing against Pedro but sometimes you need more of a realist to reflect the situation.

    Not sure about the Chamakh option. I think Wenger will go with his best team hoping everyone can hang on for the last few games, which means RVP up front. I agree that Diaby might step in though. He did look good for the period he was on and looked more efficient than Ramsay.

    I thought at the time like you that Arshavin was Ivans purchase for the exact reasons you say, but I’m not sure anymore. I think there were a number of issues with Arshavin.

    1. I think he preferred a more free role, and he probably got that option more at Zenit and for Russia

    2. He was used as a sub rather than a starter making him more lethargic and probably saw him put weight on, which would have slowed him down.

    3. Russia missing out on the World Cup knowing it would probably be his last opportunity, so he was depressed about that for a long while and he said as much himself.

    4. Arshavin wasn’t settling to life in England. He missed his home comforts didn’t like the food etc and I don’t think he really acclimatised.

    5. There have been motivational issues and disruptions throughout the team that has unsettled the players, such as Fabregas, Nasri et al.

    6. Arshavin lost faith in Wengers methods.

    With these issues surrounding Arshavin his form dropped. This was compounded because no matter how bad he played Wenger continued to play him when what he needed early on was a kick up the arse. Yes he did leave him out of the Chavs game but he’d been shit previously and not been left out but when he’s playing well he gets left out. You can imagine how confused he probably was.

    The last thing about this whole saga is Wenger’s role in all of this. Arshavin clearly wasn’t settled in his mind he lost form and more importantly lost his motivation. This is where you expect a manager to come in and be able to motivate a player (using soft or hard means) in this situation.

    As we have seen over the last few years, Wenger has not been able to motivate the team, complacency has been rife and players who should have been dropped for poor form or just being plain shit continued to play.

    I believe Wenger is not good at dealing with contention amongst the players (Gallas & Toure), players who cannot motivate themselves for any reason, we saw this with Fabregas intermittently and other players individually and the team as a whole culminating in the appearance of him losing the dressing room.

    So Arshavin was stuck in a situation where he wasn’t performing and there was no consequence when he didn;’t perform. He wasn’t being motivated as the manager wasn’t capable and he wasn’t being played correctly. With the up and down performance of the team Arshavin started losing faith in the managers methods, being an experienced pro he’d been exposed to other ideas that worked and was probably frustrated at Wengers reluctance to try something different even though what he was doing clearly wasn’t working. This all contributed to his decline and rather than deal with him Wenger preferred to ship him out.

  38. goondawg

    Can anyone remember,when we won the 2005 FA Cup,
    the look of disgust on wenger’s face..Simply because of the manner in which we won it…Whilst the players were dancing for joy,having won it against the run of play..

    ___________________________________________-

    Talk about clutching at short straws

  39. SDE

    Gunner2301
    I’m inclined to agree with all the key,relevant points you made above,regarding arshavin…

    It reminds me of the Reyes scenario-him not adapting to the culture,or climate here in the UK,albeit slightly different..
    Begs the question ,with a swap deal with Real Madrid at the time..When he was loaned to Real & in exchange we got Baptiste..I thought Baptiste did a good job,was mighty surprised Wenger refused option-to-buy Baptiste based on the valuation..of the respective players involved..Oh well..what’s new -hey?!!

  40. Cesc Appeal

    SDE that stadium debt thing is the holy grail for AKB’s, the answer to their prayers, its not Wenger’s fault. It’s utter crap, sorry, wasn’t moving to the Emirates meant to allow us to compete with Barca/Madrid etc, he can’t have it both ways.
    Either he got that wrong or he’s lying. They tell us we’re financially strong, wenger can go out and splash £40 Million on a player if he wants, the next they say they have to be careful. The whole heirachy has to go.
    BOOZY, yep totally agree, the injection of belief, confidence and will to win in the squad alone would be worth it.
    The stadium would be lifted, we’d suddenly be the hot property for commercial deals with young stars like, Hazard, M’Vila and Neymar (all nike as well!!). Shirt sales, image rights, advertising. Especially Neymar who would attract American/Latino companies wed never get a look in on.
    It makes sense on and off the pitch, but for us that is simply a wet dream. Never ever going to happen.
    If Wenger did bow to pressure he’d probably play Neymar as a keeper and Hazard as a CB and when they play shit ‘you see I told you that paying high prices doesnt always mean qualidddddddddddddy.’

  41. gambon

    Boozy

    Have you ever thought that the fact that people in the game rate Scott Parker so highly might mean hes a good player?

  42. BOOZY

    my bad 97mil – so revised

    neymar 40mil
    hazard 35mil
    kagawa 15mil
    vertoghen 7mil
    podolski 11mil.

    108 mil of force – conquer every team.

  43. Bade

    After he reads the comments in the past few days, rest assured Pedro will be back tomorrow with a double up sugar coated post, and another biased poll!

  44. kwik fit

    The more I think about it the more I feel we should sell Theo this summer to the highest bidder. Some games he is unplayable but those games are few and far between. I think we are not going to see the consistency that is needed.
    Hopefully he has a blistering summer and his stock rises. King Kenny couldn’t resist a cheeky 30/35m bid could he?

  45. Cesc Appeal

    Boozy, i dont think i want wenger spending that, i want a new manager, new owner/majority shareholder, new chief exec. Wenger can’t be trusted with players, can you imagine Wenger getting neymar and hazard and turning them into Arshavin’s and Walcotts through his piss poor tactics and zero man management.
    Jurgen Klopp please or Pep

  46. Bade

    Albo

    The funny about you, is how much hypocrisy there’s in’em.

    You always question facts, even when they came from people who know best and of course better than you

    Then you come up with those made up rubbish that more about your own interpretation based on false basis, and try to present them as facts

    You’re talking about obsessions but you forgot you own one mate

    AEM

    Aresene excuse making

  47. Gunner2301

    SDE

    I liked Baptista particularly as he came with the beast tag. He was a little disappointing for me though seemed to be reluctant to get involved and put himself about, yes he came from La Liga but I think the PL put fear in him, which meant he never really looked fully committed and that’s something I can’t tolerate seeing in an Arsenal shirt, so I think Wenger was right not to buy on this occasion. Just my thoughts maybe I’m wrong.

    PS. Well done to RVP our saviour this season. We would have been mid table without him. I hope Wenger is fully aware of this seeing as he loves facts.

  48. gambon

    Although he is undoubtedly gonna be great im not sure we need Hazard & Neymar, no chance of one let alone both, I also think it ignores other things we need.

    Subotic 20m
    Baines 10m
    MVila 20m
    Hazrd 30m
    Kagawa 15m
    Podolski 10m
    Ba 10m
    Reserve GK £5m

  49. Keyser

    SDE – You talked of Ox, think of it in terms of Classical Cars and your analogy, why won’t you ever answer that ?!

    You don’t stick to any one topic what am I supposed to do ? I answer one thing you swtich it to 3 others, pick a particular topic if you want.

    Why not start with my question from above you’ve been running from it for a week or two now.

  50. @K_Swiss147

    Errrm…. Still keeping my fingers crossed to see what Wenger does this summer. I don’t know why some people have to argue about it. None of you may even end up with the right predictions. Keyser and SDE, you both have valid points in your reasoning but none of you is completely right and there’s no reason for one to try to make the other think he’s completely wrong either.
    Adios!

  51. SDE

    Keyser
    “You talked of Ox, think of it in terms of Classical Cars and your analogy, why won’t you ever answer that ?!”

    Reply
    And I suppose you think..Chamakh,Squillaci,Park,Denilson,Djourou,Senderos(before wenger,eventually succombed & let him go,1st on-loan to AC Milan,then Everton&finally Fulham-painful for wenger to let such a calamity go hey!!),Alumnia,
    Walcott, etc,etc…in your eyes are collectibles…?

  52. gambon

    —————————Szczesny

    Sagna——–Subotic————-Vermaelen———-Baines

    —————MVila———————-Arteta

    –Hazard—————-Kagawa———————Podolski

    ——————————-RVP

    Bench

    – GK
    – Koscielny
    – Song
    – Wilshere
    – Rosicky
    – Chamberlain
    – Ba

  53. arsenal1886-2006

    Bade April 23, 2012 21:11:40
    Pedro lost the dressing roomJust like his mentor.

    HaHaHa……
    He went to Copenhagen to find out from Bendtners dad how to cope with being deluded.

  54. gambon

    Nah, Parkers better than them.

    Cant compare Song to Parker. Song is a dozy fucker that thinks hes the black Cesc.

  55. goondawg

    Cesc appeal what are you on?

    Think about your namesake and what Wenger did for him, and then apply that logic to the raw talent that inhibits players like Hazard and Neymar. Wenger is definitely the right man to manage players of that calibre. It’s just procuring these talents is the problem. Walcott is a one trick pony, and you can drag him to the pond, but you can’t force him to drink it. Arshavin a fat little hobbit that became lazy and had poor work ethic, prone to magic moments but I think ill-suited to the rigours of the EPL.

    ‘If Wenger did bow to pressure he’d probably play Neymar as a keeper and Hazard as a CB and when they play shit ‘you see I told you that paying high prices doesnt always mean qualidddddddddddddy.’

    Please refrain from making stupid comments like the above. I know you hate the guy but c’mon now behave

  56. Gunner2301

    Gambon

    I’m feeling Koscielny more than I am TV. If it wasn’t for his goals and forward play he’d be a disappointment. He can talk all he wants about wanting to stay at the Club for life. Djourou says the same thing. I need to see what he’s worth as a CB and he’s been patchy so far.

  57. SDE

    Keyser
    “Think you should look at that 7 year period, we built a brand new stadium, spent 400 million, during that period their’s been a global economic crisis, and in terms of football we’ve had to deal with 2 different teams spending upwards of a billion pounds each as our rivals.”

    Reply
    A manager with foresight,vision & ambition,would have targeted players needed in place..That’s what leadership is about..
    He’d be proactive in the market,not reactive..
    Not go on a panic-buying spree & try to paper over the cracks..

    That said,if I as an ordinary,don’t know much fan,can clearly see for years now that we needed a GK..
    Why hasn’t wenger till date,addressed this issue as one example..?
    What,he will wait till Szech get’s injured,or has loss of form,to what, bring back flapinski..?
    What stopped him from getting schwarzer,or shay given?

    He had money with schwarzer,but dillied,dallied over a million,or two-non?
    Or was it the stadium debt that held him back..?Or the GFC?

    What about the Mata deal..?Was it not over a million,or two?So the money was there when he entered negotiations…?

    What happened with that deal?The GFC,stadium debt,the mancs,chelski?

    What about the Jalgeika deal?
    He came in with an improved deal of £9 million this season-2 million less than the original offer of £11 million in the previous season?
    What happened there?GFC,Mancs/etc..etc?

    Or was it just a smokescreen,to make the fans believe that he was intent & serious,whilst having no intentions of note..
    If it was the latter..then this is a man,not to be believed, or trusted.
    A man economical with the truth..

    Do you think with a warchest at his disposal..he would spend…even with sponsorship renewals & thus a large infusion of cash?

    Personally based on his track record..Aarrrr..Nooooooo!
    I’m sorry to say but I think you belong in the funny farm!!

    PS
    Whilst you are at it,deflector extradonaire,you failed to answer the above questions..Oh wait..let me guess…the AKB party line..stadium debt & gfc..right?!!

  58. Keyser

    See, what questions, you’re rambling there, gfc ? wtf ?!

    “By the way,I’m not knocking Oxo,I like him,but surely if wenger can move the boat,in monetary terms for a young inexperienced,unproven at the time OX,why can’t he move the boat out for 1,or 2, so players of experienced quality,whilst shifting 1 or 2 of the dross of the books..?”

    Hmm why would we spend money on the OX, why would you buy Classical Cars.

  59. goondawg

    I’m feeling Koscielny more than I am TV. If it wasn’t for his goals and forward play he’d be a disappointment. He can talk all he wants about wanting to stay at the Club for life. Djourou says the same thing. I need to see what he’s worth as a CB and he’s been patchy so far.

    _______________________

    Agree Gunner2301 – Koscielny has been a revelation this season.

  60. Cesc Appeal

    oh goondawg do one! Of course i know he wouldnt play them as a keeper and a CB it was sarcasm!
    The fact is that Wenger frequently plays players out of position and you watch their performances nose dive. I have no faith in him, i dont want him spending any of the money we have or locking us up in wages for dross players for four or five years.
    He has to go and soon. Graciously step aside.
    ‘Your old road is rapidly aging. Please get out of the new one if you can’t lend your hand.’

  61. Gunner2301

    Goondawg

    There’s a difference between creating a talent or developing it an giving talent a stage. I believe Wenger gives talent a stage I struggle to name a talent he made himself . Even if you dig it’s hard to find a name. Wilshire and Fabregas were like prodigies and ready to play by the age of 16. How much input could he have had into their talent? Very little because they have natural talent.

    In these cases he gave them a stage where other managers might not have. I’d say this is more what Wenger does. You can debate his motivation for doing this it could be self glory ie project youth or simply as a money saving option.

    Whatever the reason I would say he provides them a stage to showcase their talent. Sometimes it will come off and the talent will take their opportunity or sometimes they don’t ie Reyes, Ramsey.

    I think in the two cases you mentioned Hazard and Neymar there is very little he can add. He can’t even provide them a stage because their talent is already established. That’s why I doubt he would ever buy them.

    Wenger developing talent is a myth. He will promote it but most come to nothing and the few that do we’re always talented and were always going to make it at any top club it just might have taken a bit longer for them to come through.

  62. Keyser

    All players have to have natural talent, don’t really get the point there ?!

    Wilshere’s a technical midget, they get bypassed half the time in lower leagues and as kids for bigger stronger players, if he was going to succeed anywhere in this country it was with us.

    Look at McCeachran at Chelsea.

  63. SDE

    goondawg
    “Think about your namesake and what Wenger did for him, and then apply that logic to the raw talent that inhibits players like Hazard and Neymar. Wenger is definitely the right man to manage players of that calibre. It’s just procuring these talents is the problem”

    Reply
    Funny how suarez under a past it manager KK & a crap liverpool team,seemed able to procure him,and get some goals out of him in his first season..Or chicarito at man utd,were able to procure his talents,and get the best out of him over a season and a half..
    Mata at chelsea,seemed to be doing ok-a few goals& assists in his first season,under a managerless team..
    Wellbeck,a mercurial talent seems to be a talent nurtured over the years by fergie..Aguero at man city,seems to be coming along nicely..so is dempsey at fulham..Moses at wigan,showed us some of his prodigy..at the emirates last monday…

    I’m sure with the exception of aguero,it would not have broken the bank to get these players..non?

  64. SDE

    Keyser

    Question I asked previously retard is:

    Would you regard
    Chamakh,Squillaci,Park,Denilson,Djourou,Senderos,Alumnia,Walcott as collectibles,or clapped out bangers,of no value,blowing a mighty big hole in the wage bill…?

    Freeing up these players,and bringing in quality players on note ,has nothing to do with stadium debt,or the gfc,or other crap you alluded to earlier on…
    You exhaust me..Basic questions you can’t answer..

    Oh GFC-dufus is short for global financial crisis..Talk about dumbing down..man..

  65. Keyser

    Just tell me what you think Collectible Cars are ? I have this niggling suspicion that you mean vintage mustangs or mercedes coups.

  66. goondawg

    “Wenger developing talent is a myth”

    I have to say this is quite debatably absurd. Not to take any sheen off what you say Gunner2301 but I believe Wenger gives them a stage to showcase their talent and develop as a player. Henry, Vieira, Cesc all spring to mind.

  67. Cesc Appeal

    goodawg, absolutely, but he’s not some messiah who develops stellar youngsters.
    Denilson, Djourou, Bendtner, Vela, Walcott, Lansbury, Bartley, Hoyte (J and G). Remains to be seen what will happpen with likes of Aneke, Afobe, Campbell, Oxo, Miyachi etc

  68. Gunner2301

    Keyser

    Let’s deal with just Arsenal. There are players who have talent (fabregas wilshire rvp) and others that don’t have talent but Wenger still perseveres with (walcott song djourou et al) and probably some in the middle who make up for lack of talent with hard work (Ramsey at the moment but Wenger keeps telling us he’s a talent that’s why I’m so agains him).

  69. SDE

    Gunner2301

    “You can debate his motivation for doing this it could be self glory ie project youth or simply as a money saving option.”

    Reply
    I believe both…

    And in academic circles,he’d be done for plagiarism..Taking credit for other people’s work/input,and not referencing the work of others..

    His raiding of club’s youth academies on a yearly basis,is just partly an attempt on his part to find,a henry,vieira..but just younger versions with the bonus of not having to pay sizeable fees for them..
    Using arsenal as a shop window/platform to showcase this talents.
    For him its a win-win kind of scenario..He basks in the glory if it comes of ,whilst enriching himself & his cronies on the BoD.

    In short we are a selling club!!The sooner AKB’s work that out the better..
    It’s no a selfless task he is performing,but a selfish one…
    And who pays for this privilege of seeing potential kids if they turn out to be quality,strutting into the emirates & strutting out of the emirates to the highest bidder..the fans through their nose&ears!!
    If silverware was on hand,it might be tolerable..but it isn’t!!

  70. Keyser

    “goodawg, absolutely, but he’s not some messiah who develops stellar youngsters.”

    Think people need to work out what they mean by develop, it’s not like you bring players in who’ve never played football and teach them it is it.

  71. JOPPAAAAAAAA

    FFS, why do people keep going on about what players we need? What is the point in bringing players in if the manager doesn’t want them, doesn’t do tactics and lies annually to the fans?

    Surely it’s best to replace the manager first and then talk about transfer targets?

    Am I right or am I right?

  72. Pedro

    I’m with Keyser on this one… not sure how you can say Arsene doesn’t develop players. That’s probably the most ridiculous thing I’ve heard. His whole 15 years at the club has been about developing players.

  73. Keyser

    Gunner2301 – Don’t really get your point, look at Song, has he improved since he got here ? Or Koscielny ? Is that development ?!

  74. Cesc Appeal

    Jopa, whats the betting we become ‘interested’ in Eden Hazard come the close season. Fans buy it, buy season tickets, we get Wes Brown

  75. Cesc Appeal

    Pedro, but there’s been more failures than successes. Leeching from the club. And now we’re starting to sell the good ones (lose hold of them) in their prime.

  76. Pedro

    Bade, as for losing the dressing room… if I’ve lost the dressing room to people who don’t think Arsene develops players… it’s hardly a massive loss is it.

    The equivalent is saying Mancini doesn’t try and buy success!

    If we all sit here bemoaning Wenger not buying in proven talent… what exactly is he doing if he’s not developing players? Is there some sort of middle ground here I’m not aware of?

  77. Pedro

    ‘there’s been more failures than successes’

    No shit Sherlock! Tell me a manager who has developed more successes than failures?

    In fact, if you look at his record compared to most managers… he’s had far more successes.

    I’m not a massive Wenger fan these days, but come on, some of you makes yourselves sound ridiculous when trying to take down the man.

    He has his flaws… developing players is not one of them.

  78. Gunner2301

    goondawg

    I’m not knocking you. You probably know my thoughts on Wenger and experienced players that he basically tells to go out and play your game and gives little direction to. No tactics from Wenger is a clear demonstration of this. Also the difference the experienced players have made with no change in tactics by Wenger. Wenger looks successful with players who can play a position well other players he has had no success with and there’s a long list starting with Walcott, Eboue, Denilsons, vela is thriving now, Bendtner no improvement in ratio under Wenger. I could go on. If there is a talent that Wenger created and nurtured himself in his time at Arsenal you couldn’t count on one hand. If this is enough to hold him up as a great developer of talent then so be it, but not for me. It’s nearly as bad a myth or lie as the move to the Emirates to compete.

  79. kwik fit

    Pedro

    You go to Copenhagen for a few day’s and you come back to find Anarchy on LG. Well I suppose It was inevitable when you left Geoff in charge 😉

  80. Cesc Appeal

    It does make me feel warm inside that we rear these great youngsters, give them so much money they can right off 100k mercedes and buy new ones without having touched the first team. God we’ve got the model down! You can see other clubs tripping over themselves to be just like us. Dortmund is how you do it. Wenger’s idea has failed, whether you wanna call it commendable, stupid, idelaistic, you have to call it a failure.

  81. Gunner2301

    Pedro LMAO. Developing players is not giving Denilson or Walcott 200 games in the hope they come good. Someone who is good at developing talent but doesn’t know when it’s not working? That doesn’t make sense. Really it doesnt.

    Wenger manages like he develops talen. He should have been sacked how many times over this season. Yes he has come back but it doesnt take away the fact he should have gone.

    Who’s to say Benitez or Hodgson or Scolari wouldn’t have pulled it round too given the same chances as Wenger has had and that’s exactly how he treats his players.

    We don’t want 5 years of shit to be told they’ll come good in the 6th and if they do they’ll be off anyway.

  82. Pedro

    Cesc, you’re right… fuck capitalism and fuck stupid Arsenal being the only club out there who pay young players lots of money.

    Damn them all to hell…

    We’ve failed with the young players… Jack, Theo, Chamberlain, Gibbs… all shite. This has failed. 3rd best team in the league so far… we might as well all go home and give up.

  83. JOPPAAAAAAAA

    Does give us the poll Pedro (without fixing it!).

    Wenger In or Wenger Out?

    Also it does all depend on your timing of the poll. Two cups to me sounds pretty good right now as opposed to £40M attracting average players, ticket increases, no chance of the title or CL. Yeah that 4th spot trophy is worth it’s weight in gold.

  84. Pedro

    Gunner2301, Theo Walcott is doing pretty well this year… he might frustrate, but his stats are pretty bright and he’s a dangerous winger. Not quite sure how you see that as a failiure?

    Why aren’t you talking about Sagna, Vermaelen, Koscielny, Song or Robin? All just good? No help from Arsenal?

  85. SDE

    Keyser
    And I have this niggling suspicion,that you are an asshole..!!

    Let’s call it a day…Even a blind man,on a galloping horse in thick fog,
    can see that the current situation under wenger will continue to persist..

    And it has nothing to do with stadium debt,global financial crisis,FFP,or stockpiling of players by other teams,etc,etc…as you continue to allude too.

    If the board on one hand is saying there is money,and some twat is saying about quality &quantity crap,whilst haemorraging obscene money on a wage bill that accommodates the likes of squillaci,djourou,walcott,park,chamakh,alumnia,denilson,etc,etc & in the process is banding out pay rises and extension contracts to quite frankly crap players,..not based on merit,but on sentiment & loyalty,like its confetti..

    Whilst he is duly getting paid £7million for getting us what?
    A top 4 finish,whilst his counterpart fergie is getting paid £4 million and putting trophies on the table,on a yearly basis..

    And you continue to spout endless nonsense..

    Whilst your love-in for wenger,might be admirable in some circles-i.e.AKB circles,
    it’s quite frankly, vomit inducing & nothing short of pathetic in my circle..

    Let’s just say we agree to disagree..I’m done going round & round in circles with you…like a dog chasing its tail.

    Either you are a wind-up merchant,or just an asshole of the highest order..
    I believe it’s the latter..have a good night..

  86. Pedro

    Joppa, you can’t fix a poll and it’s highly inappropriate to be running polls like that whilst we’re still playing.

    … and you know the answer would be to keep him.

  87. Cesc Appeal

    Mario Gotze, 25k a week, only just been upped on a new deal because he earned it, one fo the best young midfielders in Europe.
    Third best team in England? Oh come off it Pedro, i know your not stupid, the only reason we’re there is because for some reason Chelsea and Spurs are trying to out crap each other.
    Oxlade Chambo, Southampton, hasn’t been with us a year.
    Theo, failure. Perhaps you think not but…
    Gibbs, meh…..
    Jack, agreed great player.
    I agree your failures will always far outweigh your success, but still giving shite massive weekly cheques is just plain stupid and i cannot believe you’d argue otherwise.

  88. Gunner2301

    Keyser

    His problem started when he got rid of the experienced players he had that would have acted as the benchmark. He then proceeded to lower the bar to allow certain players ie his favourites in. Eboue was one just like Djourou is now. Walcott was never any good and should never have been given 200 games to show us that. We could have had an established winger who was ready from day 1 for that price. His failings should have been identified earlier if Wenger was to rescue him and send him out on loan. Why do you think Walcott has never been on loan? Can you see him hacking it without his Arsenal comfort blanket? I’m all for re-instating the bar to entry. If your not good enough you don’t get in simple. That would see the majority of the squad out on their arse. Sorry

  89. JOPPAAAAAAAA

    I find it highly inappropriate to field teams which get beat 8-2. Teams which lose 10 league games (with three to go), teams that get hammered by Milan, teams that ship more goals each season, teams which sell their best players every year and teams which pay a manager £8M a year and don’t really give two fcks about it’sf fans.

    That to me is highly inappropriate, not a poll on the general feelings of the fans on their manager,

  90. goondawg

    Jopa, whats the betting we become ‘interested’ in Eden Hazard come the close season. Fans buy it, buy season tickets, we get Wes Brown

    _______________________________

    I’m loving your sarcasm Cesc! Keep it up!

  91. Gunner2301

    The reason why were even having this conversation is because of the effectiveness of Wengers dumbing down techniques.

    Example – “if I get rid of gallas, Campbell, senderos (on loan), silvestre (joke but he had Pl experience), then Djourou who couldnt get in the team automatically looks attractive as a starting CB”.

    That was a classic dumbing down technique you probably missed.

    Last year we couldn’t do without Fabregas now its Arteta? WTF 😯 more dumbing down.

  92. JOPPAAAAAAAA

    I’m not a fan of international football at all, certainly not an England fan particularly but after this disaster of a season I am quite looking forward to the Euros. Who knows England might surprise a few.

  93. Keyser

    SDE – The niggling suspicion you have is a haemorrhoid you fuckwit, pull your pants down, sit on the floor and drag your ass around until you feel better.

    It’s been two weeks of me trying to make you see your Collectible Cars analoigy was complete rubbish, you either don’t want to accept it or don’t have a clue, the value to be found is in youth that’s why we spent money on the OX, Yes YOUTH.

    Don’t believe me, regurgitate your own argument and see for yourself, how many of the older players have ended up better than we expected ? Squillaci, Chamakh, Park.

    That;s your own argument contradicting itself, you don’t want to see or hear anyone elses opinion and just ignore them or get abusive. You’re only hurting yourself.

  94. SDE

    Pedro
    SDE, don’t abuse people on here. Disagree politely.

    Don’t think I was being abusive.On the contrary,in fact thought I was being rather restrained,given how much keyser,has been winding me over the past week…
    You try being in my shoes,and having to put up with Keyser’s diatribe!!
    He’d even make the Pope,start foaming at the mouth!!

  95. JOPPAAAAAAAA

    Gunner2301 you are exactly right.

    I just hope people see through it. The myth that Arsenal will become nothing if they fail to qualify for the CL makes me laugh.

    If we failed to qualify:

    Fan unrest
    Wenger leaves
    Boardroom changes
    Usmanov in
    New manager and backing.

    Come on, we have been patient for 7 seasons, what’s a couple more?

  96. Cesc Appeal

    gunner2301, another…look how happy everyone is we us stumbling over the line to third because of dismal Spud and Chelsea displays, yes we had a good run after what had been a disastrous season but are faltering yet again.
    People turn back onto Arsene’s side. Rewind a few months and everyone was almost unilateral in their wish for big, big changes. Now look.

  97. Keyser

    Gunner2301 – You weret alking about developing players, Ebway was one of the best right backs in the league, what happened ? We got Sagna someone even better.

    Walcott has developed, he’ averaging double figures for assist and goals for the last two seasons now, it doesn’t mean he’s the new Pires or Ljungberg, but it’s shows he’s improved.

  98. Herkules

    The problem with Wenger Out as a phrase is that it doesn’t answer who will come in.

    I do not think Wenger will ever win the league again. I generally believe Cup wins are silly – and sure if he gets lucky he might win one – but who cares.

    So I generally think he should leave.. HOWEVER, I do appreciate that we are a sustainable club, constantly providing entertainment in multiple leagues, suiting up with some of the world’s best week in and week out.. and despite everyone’s gripes, most teams don’t get that year after year…

    Perhaps he’s the right guy until our finances approve in a few years?? But if he isn’t – there aren’t many obvious replacements in the wings anyhow

  99. JOPPAAAAAAAA

    Cesc agree. Spurs in particular have let Wenger off the hook. All they had to do was hold that lead when 2-0 up at the Emirates but the fkin wnkers bottled it and went to pieces. It must be one of the worst blow outs in history because before that and for 30 mins at the Emirates they looked top draw.

  100. SDE

    Keyser
    This is my last comment to you,for a considerable length of time..

    All I will say,is that I will sit patiently on the sidelines,and see how the course of events over the next 1-2 seasons pans out…
    If the situation at arsenal regresses beyond recognition under arsene’s regime,
    I hope you eat more than just a huge dollop of humble pie..preferably wengers waste material!!
    And then we will see who was talking completely out of their posterior..

    Adios..

  101. Caribkid

    If one want’s to look at astute buying then go no further than Newcastle and Everton. Demba Ba was on a free and Collocini, Ben Arfa, Cayabe and Cisse were relatively inexpensive purchases. For Everton, Pienaar is on a loan and Fellaini was a cheapo.

    Instead, we got Chamakh, Park, Squillacci and a host of under performing, salary subsidized players out on loan whom we can’t sell because of their inflated salaries.

    To top it all, we have Galindo, Wellingston, Bothellho and Campbell out on loan to European teams (subsidizing their salaries too) because we can’t get work permits. Name me one other well run team which does this and I will eat my words.

    10-12 Mill on Walcott 5 years ago was idiotic based on his productivity to date. Back then that was equivalent to about 25 Mill in today’s market. We sure could have gotten a Kun Aguero or Falcao with that type of cash.

  102. Cesc Appeal

    SDE the eating of humble pie will never occur, there will always be an excuse, always be another day, always be another competition, always be another transfer window.

  103. Keyser

    “All I will say,is that I will sit patiently on the sidelines,and see how the course of events over the next 1-2 seasons pans out…”

    I-2 seasons, fuck me, after all the things you’ve been repeating on here and you’re willing to wait 1-2 seasons.

    Amazing.

  104. Gunner2301

    Pedro

    Thing is young players or not I don’t really care I just want the best players in our starting line up I don’t care who they are. Why the obsession with young players? Because Wenger convinced us that thats what we should be doing? Just like fans pre-occupation with the finances. More dumbing down techniques im afraid.

  105. JOPPAAAAAAAA

    7 seasons.

    Squad worse each season
    Defence worse each season
    Results worse each season

    WTF? Has this man Wenger hypnotised you all or something. Arsenal lives on without him you know!

  106. goondawg

    SDE – Pedro didn;t mean it! You and Keyser’s bickering was just as banterful as Bade and Keyser’s used to be! Don’t stop now!