Robin does us proud, Arsenal finally win a trophy!

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Well done Robin, you got what your play deserves and finally won what we can claim as a trophy, the first since Thierry Henry won it in 2004.

I have to say you had it coming and I’m glad you weren’t pipped at the post by one of Mancini’s mercenaries.

Talking of which at least they have to try and beat Newcastle now, well one would hope anyway because I could easily see them getting our third spot.

I think that although Spurs and Chelsea can still overhaul us Newcastle are in the best position. I would think 6 points from our last two games will see us over the line and barring a disaster, we should manage that.

Winning at Stoke next week would all but guarantee that.

I was thinking about who we have fit left in our ranks that could help us do that this season and the return of Diaby would be a great asset at Victoria Road.

Chezzer

Sagna Kozzer Vermaelen Gibbs

Rosicky Song Diaby

Robin Chamakh Bennayoun

What Chamakh you all scream? Yes I would for this one, a bit of height in there for me is what we need. I leave Ramsey out as we don’t want him wetting the bed at the scene of the Ryan Shawcross horror tackle. So the inclusion of Diaby in there would be the right move.

I have always rated Diaby and he looked good when he came on against the chavs, my problem with him is he can’t stay uninjured for long, if he could he would be in my starting 11 every time. Lets see if he can stay fit for the run in, if he can he could make the difference, if he can’t it’s time to move him on.

If we qualify for the ECL, and by qualify I mean 3rd spot, then we should go into the market early and with intent.

That means no more bargain basement and no more unknowns.

Whatever happens this season cannot be considered anything other than a dismal failure. 10 losses and no trophies is unacceptable for a team like Arsenal. If any of you out there are crowing about the prospect of finishing third and Wenger’s greatest achievement blah, blah, blah then you have been conned big time.

I was thinking about what went wrong with Arshavin, the player who got 4 against Liverpool was rarely seen again, here’s my take.

I think Arshavin was a Gazidas buy, I think the board forced his hand and Wenger was never happy with that.

If my memory serves me right I also think all four of those goals came from the middle and the hole he loves to play in, he was forced out of position and with that his form went south.

Wenger was sulking and Arshavin paid the price, that’s only my opinion though and I could be wrong. (I doubt it though)

Either way we need to move him on with at least 10 others, with that money saved and received we could bring in Hazard, Verthnghen, Podolski and M’Via and those four would make the difference between us qualifying for Europe or winning in Europe.

I put Podolski in there as Pedro is convinced he’s coming, and I do like him, but I would prefer a Benzema.

The amount of players we have out on loan is scandalous and totally unnecessary, how many of our loanees ever make it? Very few I can tell you.

I would then seriously look for a left back and back up keeper with the change.

Talking of left backs I would even consider playing Santos as a wide man in the run in and move Bennayoun into the middle.

Lets face it, with three games to go we don’t have burn out to worry about do we!

Have a great day Grovers, tomorrow you’ll get Pedro the pollster back.

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  1. SDE

    albo

    “Wenger is still only an employee…”

    Reply,
    Albeit a very powerful employee-handsomely paid for his services,who has managed to wield considerable influence at the club,..Anyway how many “normal employees”,do you know that have a bust erected in the workplace whilst they are still alive!!Can you name any?
    I can’t…
    And I said before,name an industry,where the chief executive reports to the manager?
    Either way,he’s one remarkable employee-Albo!!

  2. albo

    GeoffApril 23, 2012 11:51:15
    Albo, you are such a cunt, you don’t read anything I say do you, my point about the answer phone was about his obsession with having a hand in everything, not proof that he does negotiations.I know a lot about what goes on and write a blog to share it with people, why don’t you if you are such an expert, or better still fuck off to a blog where people will listen to the shit you talk.
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    Geoff, do you honestly think that was Wenger’s idea, rather than some guy in a PR office saying ‘ooh, let’s have Wenger do the answerphone.’ Seriously, your view of him as this Machiavellian, all-powerful schemer is slightly far-fetched at times.

    If you read my first posts I was actually fairly polite. I agreed with you about Diaby and the title run in and made some inoffensive comments about AA’s transfer. Even my second post, while strident, was hardly offensive compared to what goes on around here. And it was at least cogent and well thought out. But instead of replying with any counter argument, or making clear what your detailed insider information was, you just replied ‘zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz’.

    All this time you allude to information you have…but you never seem to give any of it. You just declare you’re a shareholder and you ‘know people’ and think that trumps any argument. It doesn’t!

    Yes, I appreciate that writing a blog takes time and effort, but by doing so you are making your opinions public and seeking to have an impact beyond yourself. And you are writing about a football club that I care about more than anything in the world outside of my close family. So excuse me if I stay on here and disagree with you from time to time…

    (Besides, we both know people like me keep the site traffic up. Where would the comment section be without some people to get all the doomers frothing at the mouths :))

  3. albo

    And I said before,name an industry,where the chief executive reports to the manager?
    Either way,he’s one remarkable employee-Albo!!
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    He’s certainly not a normal employee, but he is an employee nonetheless. I think people on here would be surprised by how much of a back seat he takes when it comes to non-football matters, for example. Alex Flynn’s fantastic book is a good insight into that side of things.

    And I’ve not heard about Gazidis having to report to Wenger? What’s that all about?

  4. Norgun

    Gambon, you are right in that Kroenke has never sold any of his teams, however, none of his franchises have appreciated as much and as rapidly as Afc. Usmanov’s attention is probably all caught up in the Megafon deal, however pending on how much cash he needs to put out for control, I bet he will come in hard for Afc when that deal is wrapped up. The things is though, if I had that kind of money, I would like to know that I was wanted before I’d move. So as long as people are happy whining on Le Grove etc I suspect nothing will happen. Take that to the Emirates…who knows… Even with Usmanov’s money though, Wenger won’t spend. That is his legacy and he won’t destroy that for anything. That’s is one of multiple reasons why he needs to go…but not alone…

  5. goondawg

    Shit yeah i forgot about his days at Monacco that led to him having to leave! He did win a title and some cups then left under circumspect situations saying there was too much corruption and bribery in the french game I recall. He did rely on youth as well, but Djorkaeff, Petit and Thuram were undoubtedly youth Starlets, so even then Arsene’s eye for talent did n.

    I think when you look at it Arsene is the lesser of two evils, and removal of Kroenke should be foremost. Kroenke may not pocket the money himself but he is surely inclined not to see it part in such lavish ways, a proper cheapskate. Guess that’s why him and Wenger gel so much. Spells disaster for a club like Arsenal. I like to think Wenger will buy players like Hazard and Goetze and Benzema, if he had a willing benefactor like Usmanov backing him, then he would have us playing wonderful brand of football again! Not saying there aren’t better managers around like AKBs harp on about, and Wenger is insufferable at times but if you swapped the managers Mancini and Wenger around, same squads untouched, i’d wager Wenger would have the mercs playing wenger ball and winning the league at a leisurely trot. Or would you disagree?

  6. albo

    Bade- I don’t know nothing for a fact, I live thousands miles away, I trust Pedro though so when he said that about AA23, I believe he made his calls and check ups before with people at the club.
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    Now I don’t want to denigrate Pedro – he does a great job finding something to write 6 or 7 times a week, but I think you are misjudging the situation if you think he makes calls and checks on all his sources like a proper journalist? I had this conversation with him during the ‘Wenger bonus’ debate and he (quite rightly) pointed out that he wasn’t in a position to be doing that kind of thing. This is still just a fan blog mate.

    And as I say, even if Ped’s source was correct that he perked up in training, I still think my explanation that he perked up BECAUSE the deal was nearly done is far more plausible.

    And I think we’ll just have to agree to disagree on the number of chances AA got. He got a shit load. He basically hadn’t been playing well for 18 months. Well, how many games did he play in that 18 months?!?! If that’s not enough chances, I don’t know what is!

  7. Mark Beasley

    Totally agree with your transfer policy Geoff…. I think if we signed those six players (Hazard, Podolski, M’Vila, Vertonghen, decent Left Back & experienced GK) we could all look forward to next season with optimism.
    The left back may not be necessary if we considered coaching / employing some tactics!
    You can’t win every year, but I do expect us to compete, not trail by 18pts.
    The signings may seem like wishful thinking based on recent evidence, but something has to happen. We’ve got away with it this year due to the incompetence of AVB, Dalglish & ‘Arry, but with sponsorship renewals coming up in 2014 it’s time to start behaving like one of Europe’s elite.

  8. wenker-wanger

    good comment about some foolish dumbass supporters crowing about finishing third.
    wenger has sold you lot an empty box!
    wenger OUT.!!!!….its time the deluded autocrat practised his charlatan artistry somewhere else!

  9. goondawg

    Obviously even if Usmanov threw the money in bundles and bundles and Wenger still refused to spend, then he will be out that door faster than pre-hamstrung Walcott.

  10. goondawg

    Arshavin wanted to leave us, not the other way round. He clearly saw that his days were numbered or that he would not be granted as many chances as he had in those dud 18 months or so he gave us, especially with the resurgence of Ox, and he saw that his main priority was plenty of playing time as his fat little russian legs could muster so that he can be in at with shout to captain Russia in the euros.

    I think it is plausible to suggest he perked up in training the last few days because he wanted to go back home to Zenit.

  11. albo

    wenker-wangerApril 23, 2012 12:41:04
    good comment about some foolish dumbass supporters crowing about finishing third.
    wenger has sold you lot an empty box!
    wenger OUT.!!!!….its time the deluded autocrat practised his charlatan artistry somewhere else!
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    Now I do know I’m not going to convince anyone on here, but guys – we have the 4th highest budget in the league. All basic logic says we will finish somewhere around 4th place. So why are people getting batshit crazy that we might finish third?

    This isn’t me being ‘defeatist’ or a ‘loser’, its just looking at the situation with a completely unimpassioned, logical, neutral eye. Yes, 3rd – a slightly better than ‘par’ score – is a little disappointing in terms of being a football dreamer who always wants the best for my club…but the level of hysteria on here just seems a bit…unhinged…given the realities of the situation…

  12. telarse

    3rd’ll get Wenger a big Brucie Bonus ~ especially as achieved without Jack and Abou. Can’t imagine he’s under pressure to buy and he can always count on the competition under~achieving!

  13. goondawg

    For me, finishing third would be an amazing feat. Especially after taking into consideration our abysmal tragic start to the season, and that humiliating gut-wrenching 8-2 defeat at the hands of our bitter rivals. Does that mean I’m happy with our season? Hell no, our squad is shit and bereft of real quality bar RVP and probably Sagna (who has been out of form last few days and injured for months upon end). I like Wilshere, who is a crock this season, I like Vermaelen and Koscielny who have scored more goals than dross Chamakh and Park. But fact is we have lost 10 and conceded a bucket load of goals.

    But still there we are, league table says it all really, up there third. Who would have thought it? From 17th to 3rd, from relegation sunken to nestling underneath supernova spenders Mancs, even sitting above chavs, scouse (oh how I lol at their trivials) and more importantly the spuds. Every pundit and non-arsenal fan in the country had written us off at the start, yet we bit between our teeth and fought on, and Wenger deserves credit for getting us out of the messy shit he first ensnared us in. Hopefully fingers crossed, pray to the gods, he learns from this close shave and does something about it, that is still to wait and see. But this ongrowing masstitude of cries for Wenger’s head on a pike by LeGrovers and slating Pedro for writing posts of optimism of showing reason to smile and hope, is a bit unfounded really. Why can’t we just wait for after the summer, when he fucks up?

  14. AC Gooner

    I for one am looking forward to watch Russian matches during the Euros. And look to see where the little AA is lining up and playing.

    If he plays in the middle and commands the field like he did four years ago, then Wenger will look embarassed and he will certainly sell him.

    If he plays stinkers, we probably will take him back to the Emirates.

  15. The Legend That Is Dennis Bergkamp

    Lets face it, with three games to go we don’t have burn out to worry about do we!
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    I think our performance against Chelski stank of burnout. Our players looked shot at the end of that game. Much like a F1 tyre, once they go the performance drops off a cliff…

  16. goondawg

    Well I’m curious to see who he’ll bring in, what replacement will be suffice enough for RVP if he goes, etc. I don’t see him getting the sack in all honesty if 3rd is achieved, but I’ll give him this summer only, just to rectify the mistakes he made last summer. It’s still a mystery apart from poldi, which is in the bag, who else he will bring in. We are still playing the system that evolves around Cesc and he still hasn’t tackled that issue that we are lacking midfield creativity. If he doesn’t put it right this summer, I will be more fervently joining the crowds amassing for Wenger’s head come next year. Because if Wenger makes the same mistakes this year again, I fear we will not be good enough to sustain a champions league place and out of the window goes any hope for winning a trophy, because for sure Chelsea, Liverpool, Newcastle(?) and Spuds(?) will reinvest with bigger better squads which goes without saying for the mancs, so we are in real danger of being left behind and finally regressing to mid-table status. If Wenger sees this, and truly loves Arsenal he will do something special this summer. If not, fuck him!

  17. richie powling

    gambon April 23, 2012 11:48:13
    One day there will be a St Gambon
    The legend that slayed an evil french cunt.

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    That cracked me up Gambon. Maybe we need to create and market a Nemesis that gets enough momentum and publicity behind it to bring down the Evil Empire.

  18. JOPPAAAAAAAA

    Amazing the amount of people who think 10 league defeats, thrashing in Milan, shite FA Cup is a decent season.

    Fck me. Spurs may be deluded but Arsenal fans are sheep.

  19. Geoff

    I don’t think 17th to 3rd was the big deal you think it was, that was only after a few games anyway.

    The point is, due to the unbelievable bad management we lost our two best players in the second week in August and Cesc had a 3 year contract and we let him go cheap.

    He knew Wilshere was out and Diaby is always crocked and he didn’t replace them.

    He deep down knew Chamakh was shit but did nothing, in two windows, he bought Park and that was nothing short of stupidity. And frankly cruel, yet he hasn’t had to answer to that has he???

    And he panic bought the rest, all into the season and not used to the team.

    Anyone will tell you players need to bed in, thats what pre-season is all about, he let Cesc off it and as a reward let him.

    And don’t blame circumstance he said he wouldn’t buy early.

    Now if all that isn’t crap management I don’t know what is, and if it wasn’t for the chavs and spuds monumental collapse we would not even been in the top 4.

  20. Paddywhack

    I cannot understand people wanting to get rid of AW. OK, say we get rid of him, who takes over. Not Pep, Not Maureen, and please don’t say the likes of Martin O’Neill or David Moyes, I don’t think either would cut it a top 4 club. There’s always Steve Bruce of course!! Or ‘arry when England decide they could do better!! No I think AW will get it right if only he would spend some f…cking money.

  21. Paulinho

    Wenger handed Vermaelen the opportunity to fulfil his Gunners dream and he will be forever grateful to the French coach for sticking by him during his injury hell.

    He added: “I have never known a manager so loyal to his players. He shows immense trust and has shown incredible loyalty towards me.

    “I was sidelined for a long time with two nasty injuries. But it was under the orders of the manager that the board gave me a new contract until 2015. I can’t describe the joy that gave me.”

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    Yep, really sounds like Arsene is bossed around by the board doesn’t it?

  22. Albo

    I don’t think there’s a person on the planet who doesn’t think last summer was a monumental list of incompetence and fuck-uppery Geoff…

  23. JOPPAAAAAAAA

    I mentioned that Spurs are as much to do with our rise and the pressure being lifted from Wenger than anything else and got slated.

    George Graham vs. Wenger (bearing in mind 4th isn’t a trophy you fkin sheep).

    Graham: May 86 to Feb 95.

    Winner:

    First Division (2): 1988–89, 1990–91

    FA Cup (1): 1992–93

    League Cup (2): 1986–87, 1992–93

    UEFA Cup Winners’ Cup (1): 1994

    Total 6 in 9 seasons.

    Wenger Oct 96 to present

    Winner:

    FA Premier League (3): 1997–98, 2001–02, 2003–04

    FA Cup (4): 1997–98, 2001–02, 2002–03, 2004–05

    Total: 7 in 15 seasons.

  24. goondawg

    I can’t fault what you say Geoff. This season has been a monumental disaster in terms. Losing our two best players in Cesc and Nasri was never going to be easy to succumb. Especially if Wenger does not replace, it seemed a little too late for me also, sure there was sufficient noise about replacements being heralded, but it was all too sluggish and never quick off the block as you’d expect other managers like Fergie to act. For that Wenger had to answer. I don’t think anyone foresaw Wilshere being out for a season, and Diaby is a diabolical crock. And perhaps if hadn’t panic bought after the 8-2 defeat and actually before the ball was even kicked in August, we would have stood a better chance.

    I just realistically don’t see Wenger getting sacked for coming third. Despite his failings and flaws which are obvious for all to see. I just hope he changes for Arsenal’s sake and does something about it this summer. Or else his legacy will be tarnished for worse, even more so than these 7 barren years has given. He will be the man that sunk Arsenal

  25. Geoff

    Albo it wasn’t that, it was that came after 7 years of no silverware, it’s his worst ever year, most goals conceded, most losses, can’t you see he’s not improving, he’s doing the opposite.

    I don’t know why people can’t see his judgement has gone, he throws money at average players and they stay loyal, well Henry, Vieira, Cesc, Nasri and Clichy didn’t.

  26. dennisdamenace

    Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more;
    Or close the wall up with our English dead.
    In peace there’s nothing so becomes a man
    As modest stillness and humility:
    But when the blast of war blows in our ears,
    Then imitate the action of the tiger;
    Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
    Disguise fair nature with hard-favour’d rage;
    Then lend the eye a terrible aspect;
    Let pry through the portage of the head
    Like the brass cannon; let the brow o’erwhelm it
    As fearfully as doth a galled rock
    O’erhang and jutty his confounded base,
    Swill’d with the wild and wasteful ocean.
    Now set the teeth and stretch the nostril wide,
    Hold hard the breath and bend up every spirit
    To his full height. On, on, you noblest English.
    Whose blood is fet from fathers of war-proof!
    Fathers that, like so many Alexanders,
    Have in these parts from morn till even fought
    And sheathed their swords for lack of argument:
    Dishonour not your mothers; now attest
    That those whom you call’d fathers did beget you.
    Be copy now to men of grosser blood,
    And teach them how to war. And you, good yeoman,
    Whose limbs were made in England, show us here
    The mettle of your pasture; let us swear
    That you are worth your breeding; which I doubt not;
    For there is none of you so mean and base,
    That hath not noble lustre in your eyes.
    I see you stand like greyhounds in the slips,
    Straining upon the start. The game’s afoot:
    Follow your spirit, and upon this charge
    Cry ‘God for Harry, England, and Saint George!’

  27. Ice

    “All the time this Song kid remains at the centre of it this team is going nowhere against the elite teams ”

    At last the support team have opened their eyes

    Now someone tell the manager

  28. Matchy

    @geoff

    He deep down knew Chamakh was shit but did nothing, in two windows, he bought Park and that was nothing short of stupidity. And frankly cruel, yet he hasn’t had to answer to that has he???

    So you reckon Wenger bought Park or Gadi and the board bought park? since Arsenal is going to make a spash in ASIA again this year after last year ??

  29. JOPPAAAAAAAA

    ICE – what country are you from? Don’t come on here slagging off England. Without England there is no football, no Arsenal FULLSTOP. People need to remember that.

  30. Albo

    Geoff – I can see that he’s not improving. And I’m not nearly as uncritical as you think. It’s only on here that I appear very pro-Wenger because the anti-Wenger arguments are pitched so hysterically most of the time.

    Bottom line is the vitriol and hatred on here would seem about right if we were in the sort of position Spurs were in pre-Redknapp. I just find it hard to understand the level of vehemence when all he’s doing is ‘achieving par’ – or even a little better, depending on whether we hold onto 3rd or not…

  31. kapslock

    Congrats to RVP definitley deserved it. Been a bit off the boil as of late but that’s because we have no alternative to come off the bench. I still can’t believe that our 2nd best striker is at Sunderland. Yes, NB52 gets slated and rightly so but he offers so much more then Park/Chamakh and he’s been getting some good goals recently.

    If we get 3rd then our summer should end by mid July. Get rid of the dead-wood and if no one can afford them drop the price. Get deals tied up soon and no haggling over a few mill like cheap cunts. However, we all know this will never happen. We are 4-5 players away from being able to compete with City/United and the other top teams around Europe.

  32. fanboy

    Ha, so because he dragged us down 17 and then brought us back up that means he did nothing wrong?

    Its like saying thank you to a guy who paid your hospital bills for a stab wound…even though he was the one who stabbed you in the first place

  33. Geoff

    Matchy so you think we make that much money in South Korea do you?

    Give me a break. So why not play him, isn’t that why you buy players?

    If we did it for the money surely buying a Chinese would make more sense.

    Ice, George was English and if it wasn’t for him, whatever shitty little country you come from would be overfuckingrun with Dragons, show some respect.

  34. arsenal1886-2006

    dennisdamenace April 23, 2012 14:47:42
    Most of these fuckwits who come on here and slate the English/British would be speaking fucking German now if it wasn’t for us…….fucking ingrates!
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    As you bow to your German queen….

  35. Confidentgoner

    As long as most sheep still chant , ‘ there’s only one AW”, don’t expect him to go or be sacked even if we fail to make top 4. He has a dream job for life.

  36. Geoff

    I think you’ll find George the 1st was the German, since then they’ve been English until Victoria, but we’ve had a few since then.

    If we went on that basis the only people that could claim being English would be white people, and that would be racist and silly don’t you think?

  37. dennisdamenace

    1886-2006 – If you’re going to come on here and teach me my own country’s history i suggest you do better with your fucking research.

    Technically she’s a Heinze 57 – part British, part German, part Dutch, part Danish.

    As with all European Royal lines/marriages, all the royal families are interlinked….

  38. arsenal1886-2006

    On a serious note though Geoff, Pedro’s posts seem to have become less critical of not just Wenger, but the squad as a whole. I must admit I got sucked in until we lost to QPR and Wigan in recent weeks, as I feel did a few others. It will be tough to build any momentum to oust him as he always seems to come up smelling of roses. Even some in the media who were calling for his head early in the season are now calling him a genius for getting into the top three. I cannot see any big changes in the summer as he has the excuse of the “Euro’s made any deals impossible due to the lack of time to negotiate”.
    Podolski is I believe RVP’s replacement with Theo possibly going in the middle (I hope I am wrong).

    Wide of the mark or what?

  39. Keyser

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/apr/23/genoa-ultras-match-suspension-serie-a

    “Only one, however, would refuse. Giuseppe Sculli – who had been substituted moments before the disturbances broke out – instead marched over to the tunnel to confront the troublemakers himself. As he approached one commanded him to give up his shirt. “I’m not taking it off,” he replied before clambering up to grab one ringleader around the back of the head and pull him in for a tete a tete. “It’s mine.”

  40. gambon

    I detest Pedros AKB rhetoric!

    Ive been doing some private investigations, and im 99% sure he is a ‘Twins’ like experiment, fathered by Tony Atwood, Bob Wilson, Tom Watt & Albo.

  41. SDE

    fanboy

    Ha, so because he dragged us down 17 and then brought us back up that means he did nothing wrong?
    Its like saying thank you to a guy who paid your hospital bills for a stab wound…even though he was the one who stabbed you in the first place”

    Reply
    LOL!!
    Quite funny that,quite like the analogy fanboy

  42. JOPPAAAAAAAA

    I was just trying to put musical artists to the people who make comments on here.

    For instance Keyser could be Mariah Carey, Geoff – Roger Daltry & Perdo – Michael Bolton.

    Gambon likes to think he is Lennon but definitely more McCartney, Where as I am the Morrisey of the blog.

  43. SDE

    fanboy
    “Ha, so because he dragged us down 17 and then brought us back up that means he did nothing wrong?”

    Reply
    How about this for analogy..
    You’re a virgin,and some woman takes pity on you,and decides she’s going to make all you wishes come true,and breaks your virginity..

    You woop for joy,brag to your mates..only to realise, that in the course of taking your virginity, you’ve contracted,chlamidya, gonnorhea, syphillis,VD and other STD’s in the process..
    You call her all the names under the sun,& she looks you squarely in the eye,& uttters the words-“if it wasn’t for me,you would still be a virgin,you ungrateful boy!!

  44. Corona X

    Geoff:
    ‘Add to that no defensive coaching it makes you wonder what he does do!’

    OK, so what is your opinion on Koscielny? His rise from French Ligue2 to being a great centre half in the Premiership has nothing to do with coaching?
    And what about Gibbs – despite his injuries, can you honestly say that he hasn’t improved over the years?
    Not to mention Sagna?!
    You still adamant that there’s no defensive coaching going on?

    I agree that Wenger doesn’t sign enough backup defenders (which was very appaerent during all those games where we didn’t have a recognized full-back this season), but to state that there’s no defensive coaching is very narrow minded …

    Sometimes your logic and reasoning goes beyond belief.. It does make for entertaining reading though!! 🙂

  45. arsenal1886-2006

    JOPPAAAAAAAA April 23, 2012 15:36:44
    Gambon likes to think he is Lennon but definitely more McCartney, Where as I am the Morrisey of the blog.

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    I thought Gambon would be more like Morrisey, a whining manc.

  46. SDE

    albo
    “Bottom line is the vitriol and hatred on here would seem about right if we were in the sort of position Spurs were in pre-Redknapp. I just find it hard to understand the level of vehemence when all he’s doing is ‘achieving par’ – or even a little better, depending on whether we hold onto 3rd or not…”

    Reply
    As an aside..what has redknapp ever achieved..
    He’s a worse charlatan than Wenger..
    Look at his track record over the years..30 years in management & only 1 domestic trophy to show for it..
    His record in europe was quite atrocious..an intertoto cup campaign with west ham,which they only qualified for,by virtue of having the least no of yellow/red cards..And I think,i might be mistaken,they entered themselves into that comp, if not on the former basis..

    His abysmal record at Portsmouth in UEFA, a few years back,when he got bombed out by Braga, 4-1 I believe..His excuse at the time,he’s focusing on the prem..league.
    Never twitchy’s fault..
    Off the back,of 1 CL campaign,he’s suddenly being lauded as the next best thing.On what record,or achievements..?
    His only record of achievements of note,is him leaving a financial trail of destruction(bankrupting clubs) behind me on exiting the clubs he’s been at…
    A la bournemouth,west ham,portsmouth..Don’t think this is somewhat a coincidence..!

    My point is,don’t compare us with spurs-pre-redknapp,or post redknapp!!That’s a whole new argument altogether..

  47. Bade

    Fuck me

    And I thought Albo was in the way of healing

    So Albo knows, even he had theories of how Arsene was forced to contribute his magnetic voice into the answering machine.

    Oh Arsene, poor sod how they conned you

  48. Bade

    So Arsene the “Only-Employee” was the only one Cesc thanking when he fucked off to Barca….

    Why he was only thanking Arsene for letting him go? Blimey Cesc you stupid fella, Arsene was only an employee!

  49. Bergkamp63

    One thing I can’t really figure out on this blog a(nd many like it) is what it is that a lot of people are actually afraid of ?

    Are we afraid that if we get shot of Wenger we might not get into a champions league spot (and the 40m it brings) ? Is it a case of “better the devil you know” even though we all know deep down we have absolutely no chance of winning the blasted thing.

    Would we rather carry on the status quo of 3rd/4th spot and last 16/last 8 CL or roll the dice and go for it ?

  50. Keyser

    “Would we rather carry on the status quo of 3rd/4th spot and last 16/last 8 CL or roll the dice and go for it ?”

    What, if we fell out of the top 4 you mean ?

  51. Keyser

    If you look at what could change to improve us or our chances if we stayed in the top4,surely the sponsorship renewals would help ?!

  52. gambon

    Lol,

    I do love the way people seem to think if we increase our spending we will fall out of the top 4.

    Give me any reason why this makes sense?

    People make out not spending ensures we will carry on finishing 3rd/4th etc.

  53. Bade

    So memory betrays with time

    Be warned Grovers

    Though I seem to remember at one of my visits where I donated those stupid 12 quids to the Emirates tour, that the guide said to us that Arsene designed the dressing room for the home side (and visitors if I recall right)

    Hahaha, a mega designing project, yet the “only employee” has a say even there

  54. gambon

    Keyser

    Would it not make sense to invest now to strengthen our chances of remaining top 4, and also securing the best possible deals in 2014?

    The more successful we are, the better our deals in 2 years will be.

  55. Keyser

    “I do love the way people seem to think if we increase our spending we will fall out of the top 4.”

    What are you on about ?!

    Aren’t people discussing that if we happened to fall out of the top 4 we’d probably be forced to spend to get back in, which is tempered against us not having as much money having fallen out of the top 4.

  56. Bade

    Gambon

    Because most of them know deep in their hearts increasing spending means for Arsene pay raises for Denilson, Djourou and Squillaci, not buying quality players with the added money

    So here’s your sensible reason for it 😆

  57. Keyser

    “Would it not make sense to invest now to strengthen our chances of remaining top 4, and also securing the best possible deals in 2014?”

    Nasri/ Cesc were a couple of the last few youthful, full of real potential players we have, that help us maintain our position in the top 4 while also keeping us waiting to see if they’ll make the step up.

    Wenger’s last summer transfer window was almost him conforming to the norm, we’re going to have to spend now.

  58. Bade

    All the Fans-accountants should go first and check how many wasted money we have in our weird wage bell

    There are about 40m, if not, of wasted money on players that shouldn’t be on our payroll for years, and youngsters that will never ever touch the Emirates pitch that are on 5k a week as if it was the minimum wage

    When Chicharito won the Mancs the title, he was on less than 20k whereas anyone to get 3 starts at Arsenal immediately raised towards 40-60k a week, for only succeeding to lase their boots

  59. Bade

    Keyser

    I do want to believe, truly do

    But having in mind those summer signings were made all as panic buys / last minutes injuries, I find it hard to accept it

    I will accept he’s changed when I see it

    And announcing the Podolski deal alone wouldn’t do the trick for me

    There are at least 3-4 other signings and 20+ players shifted out to complete the job

    I honestly bet you won’t do much bar the Poldy deal, that might eventually turn out to be as Robin’s replacement

  60. gambon

    “conforming to the norm”

    What panic buying in the last 24 hours of the window and loaning from our rivals?

    If thats the norm from now on then we’re fucked.

  61. Bade

    Exactly Keyser

    After he showed his worth and earned his pay raise

    What did Ramsey / Djourou / Squillaci / Almunia / Eboue / Vela / Denilson did to us to vindicate the pay raises they got?

  62. SDE

    Keyser
    “What, if we fell out of the top 4 you mean ?”

    Reply
    Would be a blessing in disguise..
    Then wenger would now be vunerable..Ripe for rich pickings!!
    He won’t be able to hide behind the”we’ve qualified for CL,in his time”.

    As the media,love a good story,they will be sharpening their pencils,questioning whether wenger’s has lost it..
    Asking the obvious question,is it time for wenger to go?

    The disgruntled fans,will be more vocal than before…

    The BoD & the various factions,will turn on each other,looking for a scapegoat to deliver to the fans..
    Potential players of quality,who had an inkling about coming to the emirates,will turn their attentions elsewhere..Since it is about CL keyser..

    Current players at the club of note,with ambition,might decide to exit the sinking ship,&ply their trade elsewhere where winning trophies won’t be just a fantasy,but a reality… A la Cesc,Nasri,
    A revoult,a mutiny in the offing!!Yes…

    Yes,it would be a blessing in disguise..It would set the cat amongst the pigeons..!!
    And quite frankly with the clamour for wenger to go,ever increasing..I would like to see wenger spin his way out of this scenario,should it ever come to pass..

    So bring on,a finish outside the top 4,if it will bring about change in the long term, for the betterment of the club..

  63. Keyser

    “What panic buying in the last 24 hours of the window and loaning from our rivals?”

    Didn’t say it was a good thing did I ? But it shows that he had to adjust and pay the going rate for players that aren’t going to improve by much or fulfill any real hidden potential.

  64. SDE

    keyser
    “Chicharito’s on 80 now, and Man United’s wagebill was 30 million more than ours.”

    Reply
    Whilst on the talk of figures..On a slightly different note.. I’m led to believe Wenger earns more than Fergie-£3 million more..Yet fergie delivers trophies year-in-year out..And Wenger,over the past 7 years has delivered..what?
    Nothing,neither,zilch..
    Oh I forgot emirates cup & CL 4th Place trophy..
    How do you square that one Keyser?

  65. gambon

    We’ll see Keyser

    The next step is for him to stop trying to be a fucking Alchemist and sign Hazard, rather than a 17 year old Ivorian.

    We need an Aguero level signing in attack. The chances we find it for £4m are beyond remote.

  66. arsenal1886-2006

    Keyser April 23, 2012 16:32:50
    If you look at what could change to improve us or our chances if we stayed in the top4, surely the sponsorship renewals would help ?
    ———————————————————————————–

    Kroenke will trouser that money straight away, he will not stop until he has recouped every penny of the shares he purchased. Then if he does decide to sell to the highest bidder he holds all the aces, a profitable business means a higher share price. He could quite likely double his initial outlay.

    He sees the current model as success, generating record profits from minimal outlay is a businessman’s dream. Extra income means bigger profits and bigger dividends for the board.
    He is quids in and he knows it.

  67. SDE

    Keyser

    Success,breeds success.The more successful you are,the more money you generate,which allows you to reinvest part of the revenues generated,to buy players of quality,and offer wage increases to those current players that helped achieve that success..i.e.based on merit..

    So man utd having a larger wage bill makes sense in this case..
    What does wenger,base his wage increases for his current playing staff on..?
    Certainly not on merit,or unprecedented success..
    More on loyalty & possibly for finishing 4th..?

  68. Keyser

    gambon – I can understand you wanting Hazard because you lurve him, but fucking hell dude, if he’s that good can’t you at least admit that there’s going to be competition for him ?!

    That’s the whole fucking problem, hopefully with the players teams like Newcastle and Tottenham have bought the markets going to maybe go back closer to what it should be.

  69. Bergkamp63

    I voted for CL football over 2 cups previously but this is a different question.

    5 more years of top 4 and last 16 of CL or New Manager and take a gamble ?

    Personally, I would rather take the risk end up mid table (like Liverpool before you say it !!) for two years then win something big than carry on like we have been but that’s just me !! At least it shows the club have ambition ?

    I’m for change and I make no secret of it !!

  70. Keyser

    Bergkamp63 – Mate, was thinking that the new sponsorship deals would give us a boost, dunno exactly the dates but they should be soon.

  71. goondawg

    Keyser
    “What, if we fell out of the top 4 you mean ?”Reply
    Would be a blessing in disguise..
    Then wenger would now be vunerable..Ripe for rich pickings!!
    He won’t be able to hide behind the”we’ve qualified for CL,in his time”.As the media,love a good story,they will be sharpening their pencils,questioning whether wenger’s has lost it..
    Asking the obvious question,is it time for wenger to go?The disgruntled fans,will be more vocal than before…The BoD & the various factions,will turn on each other,looking for a scapegoat to deliver to the fans..
    Potential players of quality,who had an inkling about coming to the emirates,will turn their attentions elsewhere..Since it is about CL keyser..Current players at the club of note,with ambition,might decide to exit the sinking ship,&ply their trade elsewhere where winning trophies won’t be just a fantasy,but a reality… A la Cesc,Nasri,
    A revoult,a mutiny in the offing!!Yes…Yes,it would be a blessing in disguise..It would set the cat amongst the pigeons..!!
    And quite frankly with the clamour for wenger to go,ever increasing..I would like to see wenger spin his way out of this scenario,should it ever come to pass..So bring on,a finish outside the top 4,if it will bring about change in the long term, for the betterment of the club..

    ___________________________________________________________

    And if your wrong? and all it does is propel us backwards?

  72. Keyser

    Bergkamp63 – Thought we extended them, dunno though, if it’s 2013 I’d rather wait, we’ve gone through 5-6 years of playing it steady, pointless rolling the dice now.

  73. Keyser

    Before anyone jumps in, ‘rolling the dice’ having fallen out of the top 4.

    Who knows these next 3 games could see any number of circumstances crop up.

    Starting with Chelsea qualifying/ not qualifying tomorrow.

  74. Bergkamp63

    Are we confident Wenger will get rid of these 20+ overpaid players and buy in the quality we need ?

    How much of a dice are we actually rolling ?

    New commercial deals starting season 2014, 60K seater stadium, 2 billionaire owners.

  75. arsene nose best

    there’s absolutely no way we will finish 3rd,losing at home to wigan all but guarantee’s that,we lose at stoke which is more then likely will see us finish outside the top4.whoever finishes 4th best pray barca do the chavs tomorrow.

  76. Bade

    And that list was only to mention a few

    So we pay mediocre players pay raises they don’t deserve, then we claim we don’t have funds?

    We do have, but we opt to spread it the wrong way

  77. R,S.P.C.Arsenal

    what are the odds that diiaby gets injured again…. or if he plays well he may get in the french squad for the euros…. then he will get injured!

  78. Bade

    “Bade – Has he had as good a season as last year ?!”

    Ge won them the title with pivotal goals

    How many players in our squad did that

  79. Bergkamp63

    I think Chelsea have to actually win the CL to qualify for next years,

    They are still going to have to survive tomorrow night then beat either RM (most likely) or BM in the final.

    We should be fine.

  80. Keyser

    “Are we confident Wenger will get rid of these 20+ overpaid players and buy in the quality we need ?”

    Players like Squillaci don’t have long, Benayoun will probably go back, there’s several older players who could move on, even if you look at the ‘panic buys’ they’re older players that could be phased out.

  81. Keyser

    “Ge won them the title with pivotal goals”

    Fuck me, won them the title, he’s on 80k a week now has he improved x4 aswell ? Heh, so only the quadruple to win this year. and for the next 4 years after.

  82. SDE

    Keyser
    “SDE – Success breeds success/ fall out of the top 4 to achieve it.heh”

    Reply
    Well clearly,you don’t understand the madman Wenger we are dealing with..

    We have money,he doesn’t spend it..!

    He does the bare minimum,to buy players on the cheap,and reward mediocre players on the books pay rises..certainly not based on success,merit..but on loyalty,& in order to achieve a top 4 finish..

    Are you happy with that?
    Is that the limit of your ambition as an arsenal fan?
    If so,lets have a wage bill on par with Newcastle’s then..
    Better still,lets have season ticket prices,on par with Newcastles then?If you’re happy with 4th..

    Better still,lets have wenger wages downgraded to that of a manager in charge of a 4th place team..
    Would make sense that way,our ambitions might not be so grand,then we could all be as content and as happy as you are…

    What I’m saying Keyser,if he will not spend,when we are in the top 4,then his position as manager will have to be severely tested,or questioned!!
    If that means,us falling out of the top 4,so that he realises he is not an immortal & he is forced to spend,or us getting a new manager,with fresh ideas,fresh impetus,with a war chest & a remit to go and spend,in order for us to start challenging for CL,EPL titles etc,etc..then so be it…

    Sometimes you have to take the bitter pill in the short -term,in order to achieve the success that has eluded us for 7 years.. in the long term.

    So with money at our disposal,& his track record over the 7 years,has there been any visible improvement(s)…?
    Last time I checked..no…

    You even said,a few days back,that on the sporting side,he has come short..So now you add the caveat-that sponsorship renewals will now elevate us to the next level!!Under wenger!!HAHA

  83. Keyser

    Barcelona should have enough, but the last two games all it took was 1-2 attacks and they conceded, over 90 mins Chelsea have a chance, and then they either have Bayern or Real, still only 90.

  84. Arsenal Toujours

    All this stuff about Germany-UK is farcically stupid – Prince Philip *is* a German Nazi! You don’t even know that?

  85. Bade

    What a daft comments re our “doing a Leeds”

    We’re a club valued for 800m pounds

    We can easily get excessive loans if we only need to

  86. Keyser

    arsenal1886-2006 – I think the general consensus with his teams is that while he may not invest too much, he doesn’t strip them of assests either so I think he’d let us spend whatever we generate, like gambon said it’d only mean us being more lucrative.

    Though it was interesting that Wenger made the big clubs don’t sell comments and then after a conversaton with Kroenke decided to sell Nasri anyway.

  87. SDE

    goondawg
    “And if your wrong? and all it does is propel us backwards?”

    Reply
    And you think we are not currently going backwards,with a sizeable warchest..?
    When we are into double figures in terms of defeats..10&counting..
    With a worsening defensive record -year-on-year,of 43goals & counting,rising to 60 odd in all competitions..
    A record 8-2 defeat in the prem.league & a record defeat 4-0 in the CL,whilst sitting again on a sizeable warchest!!

    An increase in the number of mediocre players on the books..hence an increase of the wage bill..For what?

    You call this progress,or regression…?

  88. Bergkamp63

    Incidentally, that forbes figure is 11 months out of date.

    It’s probably to May 11

    Current value 1.003b

  89. SDE

    Arsenal Tojours

    All this stuff about Germany-UK is farcically stupid – Prince Philip *is* a German Nazi! You don’t even know that?

    Reply
    I thought he had,some greek heritage in him also?

  90. Keyser

    SDE – Mate, we’ve been discussing this if you’d followed from the point where I said.

    You talk of revenue being generated from success, well we used that to build a new stadium, we tied ourselves down to money up front from sponsors on not soo generous deals to build the stadium and now finally after several years of being prudent those deals are nearing renewal.

    Even if you don’t think Wenger would spend the money surely you’d see that now we’re this close to getting close to market value for sponsorship deals it’d be pointless to drop out of the top four to instigate change either in manager or policy.

    All you’re left with is a loss in Champions League revenue and a team playing in the Europa League trying to tie up new sponsorship deals.

  91. Bergkamp63

    SDE,

    I would ignore Toujours if I were you !!

    He’s A Psycho !!

    CORRUPTION !! CORRUPTION !! CORRUPTION !!

  92. SDE

    Keyser
    “Though it was interesting that Wenger made the big clubs don’t sell comments and then after a conversaton with Kroenke decided to sell Nasri anyway.”

    Reply
    And who did he decide to consult in your infinite wisdom,when he got rid of toure& adebayor to the mancs?

  93. Arsenal Toujours

    SDE – god you english people are deluded about your own oppresion – his ‘Greek’ credentials are an honorary title bestowed from one corrupt ‘royal’ regime to another – there’s nothing remotely Greek about him, at all. He’s a German Nazi.

    Haven’t you noticed that the worst fascist governments in the world all have ‘royalty’ running them as pocket regimes, UK included.

    You stupid fools.

  94. Keyser

    “And who did he decide to consult in your infinite wisdom,when he got rid of toure& adebayor to the mancs?”

    You don’t think they were different situations ? Or did he make the big clubs don’t sell comment then to ?!

  95. Bergkamp63

    Who says we have to drop out of the CL spot ? Just because we change the manager, it doesn’t mean we will drop out ? We might move up the table ?

    We could invest now in a new manager and new players ?

  96. goondawg

    SDE

    Well last year we finished 4th with Fabregas and Nasri on our hands, this year we are on level to finish 3rd without the pair+wilshere and hardly any quality players. I would call that progress yep, albeit due to capitulation of other teams failings around us

    What I don’t follow is this dropping out of fourth nonsense, just because you dislike Wenger doesn’t mean we should forsake what is best for the club. I’d rather watch Arsenal in champions league and attract the best players possible than regress as a club. Who knows when liverpool will start rejoining the elite? It’s not as easy as saying let’s drop out of fourth, get a new manager and in two years time start challenging for top honours.

    And I don’t buy this Wenger has had a sizeable war chest available for him. If he has, is he that stupid not to spend? I mean we needed quality players like Cesc, Viera and Henry.. There must be something holding him back in spending as extravagant as others. Whether it be Kroenke or the board I don’t know. Maybe I’m wrong and the money is there, then Wenger is playing a very tight game in regards to his cheapness.

  97. Arsenal Toujours

    Bergkamp63 is why watching the football is the greatest distraction of all – too stupified to look around and see what is actually happening – they are buying your stupidity and ignorance for a few pence a week …

    Enjoy your brain damage.

  98. Arsenal Toujours

    Gambon can call people ‘spastics’ and seems ok – Bergkamp63 thinks he can have people banned because they challenge his pre-historic idiocy … there have even been people on this blog defending racism … like who-the-fuck is Bergkamp63’s ultimate judgement?

    Why isn’t he banned?