Robin does us proud, Arsenal finally win a trophy!

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Well done Robin, you got what your play deserves and finally won what we can claim as a trophy, the first since Thierry Henry won it in 2004.

I have to say you had it coming and I’m glad you weren’t pipped at the post by one of Mancini’s mercenaries.

Talking of which at least they have to try and beat Newcastle now, well one would hope anyway because I could easily see them getting our third spot.

I think that although Spurs and Chelsea can still overhaul us Newcastle are in the best position. I would think 6 points from our last two games will see us over the line and barring a disaster, we should manage that.

Winning at Stoke next week would all but guarantee that.

I was thinking about who we have fit left in our ranks that could help us do that this season and the return of Diaby would be a great asset at Victoria Road.

Chezzer

Sagna Kozzer Vermaelen Gibbs

Rosicky Song Diaby

Robin Chamakh Bennayoun

What Chamakh you all scream? Yes I would for this one, a bit of height in there for me is what we need. I leave Ramsey out as we don’t want him wetting the bed at the scene of the Ryan Shawcross horror tackle. So the inclusion of Diaby in there would be the right move.

I have always rated Diaby and he looked good when he came on against the chavs, my problem with him is he can’t stay uninjured for long, if he could he would be in my starting 11 every time. Lets see if he can stay fit for the run in, if he can he could make the difference, if he can’t it’s time to move him on.

If we qualify for the ECL, and by qualify I mean 3rd spot, then we should go into the market early and with intent.

That means no more bargain basement and no more unknowns.

Whatever happens this season cannot be considered anything other than a dismal failure. 10 losses and no trophies is unacceptable for a team like Arsenal. If any of you out there are crowing about the prospect of finishing third and Wenger’s greatest achievement blah, blah, blah then you have been conned big time.

I was thinking about what went wrong with Arshavin, the player who got 4 against Liverpool was rarely seen again, here’s my take.

I think Arshavin was a Gazidas buy, I think the board forced his hand and Wenger was never happy with that.

If my memory serves me right I also think all four of those goals came from the middle and the hole he loves to play in, he was forced out of position and with that his form went south.

Wenger was sulking and Arshavin paid the price, that’s only my opinion though and I could be wrong. (I doubt it though)

Either way we need to move him on with at least 10 others, with that money saved and received we could bring in Hazard, Verthnghen, Podolski and M’Via and those four would make the difference between us qualifying for Europe or winning in Europe.

I put Podolski in there as Pedro is convinced he’s coming, and I do like him, but I would prefer a Benzema.

The amount of players we have out on loan is scandalous and totally unnecessary, how many of our loanees ever make it? Very few I can tell you.

I would then seriously look for a left back and back up keeper with the change.

Talking of left backs I would even consider playing Santos as a wide man in the run in and move Bennayoun into the middle.

Lets face it, with three games to go we don’t have burn out to worry about do we!

Have a great day Grovers, tomorrow you’ll get Pedro the pollster back.

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  1. andy

    Arshavin was a gazidis buy? Hmm i would bet nasri was a gazidis sell in this case …
    I dont see ncastle winning their last four matches against chavs, wigan, city and everton … I think they will win one, draw one and lose two … I think they will go done in position behind chavs but ahead of scum

  2. Geoff

    I hope you are right about Newcastle Andy, but if we don’t get 3rd spot we may have trouble getting the right players, if indeed we even try.

  3. bnsb

    Morning Geoff, dot on time too!

    Spuds loosing and Newcastle winning other day changed whole scene did it? Chavs badly needed to win against us and they played for a draw, damp squib.

  4. Sleek

    A very good post Geoff, I don’t say that often when you post. Diaby brought a calming presence when he came on against the chavs. I agree with your line-up against Stoke, we need Chamakh up top with Robin playing off him to smash them in.

  5. Geoff

    Morning chaps, yes I think that Chelsea have blown it now, for third anyway, I would like to see the spud run in, but whoever they have I didn’t expect them to lose to Norwich and QPR.

  6. Gooby

    Goeff

    first everyone accused wenger of giving too much chances for lazy fat arshavin who “clearly doesn’t care” and now it is wenger’s fault that he left.

    arshavin is a top player but he’s lost faith and a bit physically that is all

  7. Cesc Appeal

    Geoff, I seriously doubt we’re even going to try and get the right players, Wenger is already making the noises he does every year. Quality not Quantity. Wilshere and Diaby will be like new signings. Now he’ll say so will Walcott and Areta.
    With that stupid grin on his face ‘so you can say we only signed Podolski and Wes Brown but we also ‘signed’ Wilshere, Arteta, Diaby and Walcott. Four players of outstanding qualidddy.’
    And Arsenal fans know it as well. Year on year their target is to put on a few exciting matches (Barcelona last year for example) make a whopping profit most years £40 Million + and get Champions League football.
    City, United, Chelsea, Tottenham hell even Newcastle’s board and management have far more balls and ambition than us.

  8. Robert

    So in summary:Buy:
    Ba (8mill)
    Hazard (35 mill)
    Poldi (11)
    M’vila (15)
    Baines (5)
    Vertongen (9)Sell:
    Arshavin (8)
    Vela (6)
    Cham (5)
    Park (5)
    Almunia, squid and all the rubbish kids (total 5 mill)Loan:
    Ramsey
    Ryo
    Diaby
    Ozkayup
    Mannone
    Bartley
    Jenkinson

  9. Bush Gooner

    Morning Geoff.

    Our result on saturday was not all bad then with the spuds choking at QPR. Newcastle is the team i fear most now as they are playing well and getting the results needed and they also have a game in hand. We seriously cannot afford anymore slip ups as we could easily drop into 4th and then it will become a dogfight!

  10. Ricky

    If Ramsey wasnt as shite as he has been I would say the stoke game would be a perfect place for him to start picking up some form/confidence.

    However, he cannot be trusted so I’d throw diaby in there, half fit or not.. Looked miles better then Ramsey on the weekend & that’s saying something for someone who’s hardly ever fit.

  11. Geoff

    Gooby he played him out of position, he left him out of the Chav semi final when at the time he was our best player, he rarely praised him, yes it was Wenger’s fault.

    Cesc, I think you are right. Him getting 3rd place will up his status even more with some.

  12. Albo

    Nah, Arshavin was definitely a Wenger buy. I remember an interview with Arshavin talking about how Wenger had chatted to him numerous times about how much he’d love him to come to the club and stuff and how much he would suit our style etc etc.

    Totally agree about Diaby. Everytime he plays his customary 30 mins before the next lay off I’m struck by just what a player he might have been. Tragic really – and all the more so when you think the medical team put it all down to that one awful leg break years ago.

    The Spurs loss was great for us. For me, in terms of run in, they were the biggest danger. Newcastle and Chelsea are on form, but Newcastle have to play both Chelsea and Man City, while Chelsea are just that little bit further behind.

    Stoke away is always a tough game, but 3 points and I’ll feel fairly confident about 3rd place.

    I’ll feel a damn sight better if Chelsea go out of the CL and we can relax that 4th is also a CL spot!

  13. Goonerpower

    Not totally convinced Arsh was a Gazidis buy?? Not saying your wrong because none of us really know!? Just can’t see it.

  14. Cesc Appeal

    Yeah. And totally agree about Arshavin, yeah he got lazy but look at him, he looked a beaten guy at the end. That’s why I’m, fearful for the Ox. If Wenger starts Gervinho on the right and Ox on the left against Stoke you know he’s got it in for the fans favourite. Wenger cannot stand us adoring Oxlade and not giving two shits about guys like Diaby/Ramsey/Walcott.
    I think it was someone on here, perhaps you Geoff who said the more we love him and call for him to be played the more Wenger will resist it or play him someone ludicrous?

  15. Adrian

    finishing fourth could prove to be disatrous if by some twisted ill fate chelsea win the champions league and end up in 5th or 6th place. That would mean europa for arsenal.

    COYG!!!!!!

  16. Geoff

    People I remember Wenger’s face when he announced him, he didn’t look happy, and every time since then he had that tight jaw, the one he gets when people ask him why he didn’t spend money.

    I’m pretty sure I’m right.

    Anyway, we’ll never know, Wenger lies all the time.

  17. Cesc Appeal

    And also I heard Usmanov had a massive part in Arshavin coming from Zenit. their sponsor is Gazpron or something like that. He sits on the board of the energy firm as does Medveyed (former Russian Pres) who is his personal friend. I remember hearing he oiled the wheels so to spoke. So that would add up to be honest.

  18. Bade

    Hello Grovers!

    Another great piece from the Grizzly

    Though I don’t agree with the Chamakh inclusion

    He’s out of his form seriously. He lost any kind of confidence and I can’t see him contributing anything positive to the side, to be honest

  19. Cesc Appeal

    Ha, yeah absolutely. Can’t you just see Diaby, Song, Rosicky in the middle, withe Gervinho, RVP and Ramsey up top…..because Wenger knows

  20. Albo

    Geoff – Gooby he played him out of position, he left him out of the Chav semi final when at the time he was our best player, he rarely praised him, yes it was Wenger’s fault.
    ———————————————

    Guys, can we PLEASE stop with this infantile argument. It comes round again and again and it is just laughable.

    Yes, Wenger’s decision to drop AA from the semi was crazy and backfired horribly.

    But the idea that Wenger somehow ‘ruined’ Arshavin by not playing him in that 1 game is pathetic. And please ‘he rarely praised him’???!!! Firstly, Wenger was actually forever praising AA in press conferences. But secondly, this is a supposedly world class, £multi-million earning athlete. It’s not some small child that needs a pack on the back and and an ego rub every 5 minutes. Or at least, it shouldn’t be!

    Seriously? AA was appalling for 18 months because he was left out of 1 game and wasn’t praised enough??!!! What a load of nonsense. But if it’s true – what a total fucking whining bitch that would make him!!! That you would believe that but still blame Wenger rather than the player shows how myopic your hatred makes you!

    And finally, the ‘out of position’ thing is misleading. AA played out on the left a lot for Zenit according to Jonathan Wilson. (And he should know!)

  21. Bade

    I hope you’re right there Geoff

    I really liked Chamakh when he first arrived and had big hopes he’d been a fabulous player for us

    I reckon London’s night life hampered him

  22. bnsb

    newcastle wont win all their games,chelsea, man city, everton?

    Even if they win they will have to score 13 goals more than us. That is of course assuming we win our three.

  23. hitman49

    well done robbin.
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    he wins when he wants..
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    so if arsh was a gazid player then the twatt of a frenchie really showed his employers who boss?

  24. Cesc Appeal

    Albo i think where Geoff has a point though is he couldn’t get Arshavin out the door quick enough, to the detriment of the squad really but guys like Denilson, Bendtner, Squillaci, Almunia, Djourou etc he hangs onto becuase they were 100% unquestionably his picks. We’ll see what he does with Park and Chamakh and if he makes any effort at all to hold onto Yossi who went out and grabbed after the 8-2 thumping.
    Geoff has a point, i don’t think you can dismiss it as pathetic. As i said a little while ago, I worry that now Oxlade is the new beau for the fans he’ll take one his stubborn sets against him.
    Wouldn’t be surprised to see Ramsey start simply because the Emirates (Mostly) has turned against him for being wasteful and a slow thinker on the ball.
    Walcott has had 200 games and is guilty of the same flaws. Denilson had one billion six hundred and twenty seven million, nine hundred and eighty two thousand, six hundred and fourty four games for us for crying out loud!!

  25. big guy

    Your Comment Here

    morning grovers , Geoff i love reading this blog but sometimes i just have to say your anti wenger views are mad . I’m sure in your opinion he was to blame for the worlds banking calapse as well !!! . Move on mate i know you don’t rate but for fucks sake be careful what you wish for

  26. Leedsgunner

    “Whatever happens this season cannot be considered anything other than a dismal failure. 10 losses and no trophies is unacceptable for a team like Arsenal. If any of you out there are crowing about the prospect of finishing third and Wenger’s greatest achievement blah, blah, blah then you have been conned big time.”

    Never a truer words been spoken on Le Grove. Enough excuses, enough dithering, and enough already… if you are not going to change Arsene and not spend the money that our club needs to compete at the highest level — have the decency and just go.

  27. nin

    Geoff, I think there is something in the wenger/arshavin situation.
    The thing that really struck me was when we signed arshavin late that night he was completley alone, no arsene wenger in sight.
    Wenger played him on the left or upfront on his own, never in the hole.
    arshavin has amazing talent but for me its the job of the manager to get that out of him.
    You dont go from the 6th best player in the world to shit all by yourself.

    I still think we will get 3rd.

  28. Bade

    Geoff

    I totally agree with you over Arshavin.

    Even if he was Arsene’s buy Albo, the facts remain the same.

    From being our best player in the first half season, then he became just a productive player the season after, then he started to decline with form albeit maintaining a positive end product, then the final whistle blew

    A good manager should have had much much more out of him, so it’s Arsene’s fault.

    It’s not only the Chavs Semi, that was really stupid call that alone might have depressed his spirit, but numerous cases were alike.

    Pedro reported just before he was taken out on loan that he was just finding his form back, he was happier on the training ground and did us a great favour with a superb assist to Thierry, then Arsene again couldn’t let him raise his head could he?

  29. Geoff

    Cesc, spot on.

    Big guy, I think if you are happy with Wenger you must be easily pleased, he has conned you as well.

    Careful what I wish for? We are Arsenal, one of the world’s biggest clubs and we have lost 10 times this season, my goodness you’re Ok with that?, And he gets paid £7mil to do that.

    Albo you couldn’t be more wrong.

  30. gambon

    Have to say im gonna have to agree with Albo (Shock horror)

    Wenger fucked up big time in that semi, and the man has genuinely lost it. That said Arshavin is supposed to be a world class player, and he isnt being played out of position at all.

    The guy is just a fat little lazy russian. He doesnt wanna be here, he never integrated into the english way of life, and hes best off gone.

    That said, loaning him out in Jan, with no replacement was yet again pathetic management from Arsene.

  31. Dan T

    We Don’t really need height to beat Stoke – What use is height when there are no balls delivered at head height?
    Newcastle tore them apart time and time again – this was mainly by slick passing, not height. I would rather have somebody who will receive, pass and move not receive, dawdle, turn back to goal, pass and stand still.

  32. northern Gooner

    people (Geoff, Cesc appeal) are up for a conspiracy theory. Wenger hates the fans and hate players who are popular? Gazidis buy? How can you say Arshavin was a Gazidis buy and at the same time claim Wenger is a dictator at the club? How can an ordinary emploiee dictate what a dictator should do? Makes fun reading though 😉

  33. Albo

    Cesc Appeal – I didn’t dismiss his point that AA might not have been a Wenger signing as pathetic.

    I pointed out that actually AA himself said that Wenger had been trying I persuade him to come to Arsenal for a while, which I think suggests Geoff is wrong about that.

    Furthermore, it rather weakens their argument that Wenger is and always has been in COMPLETE control of the club for years. The idea that, early in his tenure, Gazidis could have foisted a player on Wenger seems pretty far fetched to me.

    The only thing i said was pathetic was to make excuses for AA’s woeful form for OVER A YEAR by blaming it on him being left out of 1 game and not praised enough, as if that can remotely be used as an excuse by a £multi-million earning sports star. Jeez, Benayoun would hardly be able to kick a ball if that was the case!

  34. Albo

    The guy is just a fat little lazy russian. He doesnt wanna be here, he never integrated into the english way of life, and hes best off gone.That said, loaning him out in Jan, with no replacement was yet again pathetic management from Arsene.
    ——————————————–

    And I’m gonna (shock horror) have to agree with Gambon! Crazy to leave him out of the semi, and equally crazy to loan him out with no replacement.

    Btw also worth pointing out that he has hardly set the Russian league alight now that he has been freed of Wenger’s demonic influence!

  35. northern Gooner

    Geff; Yes and if Wenger was a dictator he sanctioned the apointment of Gazidis. Gazidis is a Wenger buy!

  36. Albo

    Albo, I keep telling you I’m not wrong.
    ———————————————

    And if only that had the same effect as you presenting a coherent and logically thought through argument then I’m sure I’d be convinced 😉

  37. hitman49

    come on now boys…lets look at some recent fact’s and put two and two together.
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    cesc said last week.
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    no clear instructions are given ?
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    no tac tics ?
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    i’m sorry but he’s in the dressing room ?
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    so is he shit stirring ?
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    now take that into account as its imporatnt.
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    i have always said a team play in the image of the manger.
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    so wally walcott..clueless because he’s not coached ? simple.
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    arsh,,no direction so wanders in and out of games as he see fit or not ?
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    midfield lose and sloopy..no direction no one tells them.
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    so when us the fans start to react to bad dissions bad play frenchie throws his toys out the prame.
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    what do we know 5 million trillion subs made ect you all know the rest…
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    he has lost it…if he finds it so be it ..but ?..i have little to no confidance in him.

  38. Albo

    But Bade, a key point you’ve missed out there are the COUNTLESS chances Wenger gave AA this season to play himself back into form, when people were screaming for him to give the Ox, or even Banayoun a go in his place.

    And btw, do you know for a fact that he hadn’t perked up in training specifically because he knew he was on his way back home, rather than him perking up and THEN Wenger callously ditching him? The former explanation seems more likely to me – especially given how long it takes AFC to do any fucking deal!

  39. Kavit Patel

    Truly well deserved for Van Persie to win PFA player of the year.

    For me, there has been no better player in the premiership since Jan 2011.

    Is this the first time an Arsenal player has won player of the year when we have won nothing during the season?

    Henry won it in 2002/03, we came second in the league but still won the FA cup

  40. adi

    Though i get all the ramsey bashing, i still don’t think a loan will do him any good. He doesn’t exactly need pl experience, isn’t really afraid of the physical side of the game either. Keep him on the bench till he finds some confidence, he’s a decent player.
    Chamakh up top would be suicide. Do you really want to play him over someone like the ox or even gervinho? He doesn’t provide trickery, any height advantage is offset by his timidity. I’d rather start the ox on the right wing, benayoun/gervinho on the left and diaby in the arteta role.

  41. Albo

    You dont go from the 6th best player in the world to shit all by yourself.
    —————————————-

    Torres anyone?

  42. Cesc Appeal

    George Osbourne might be out of a job soon anyway so Wenger might get a call up, maybe then we can get a football manager not a bean counter

  43. Lurch LeRouge

    Recon you’re right about Shava Geoff.

    Aw’s statement to the effect of his lack of stamina was targeted to the board, just like his jibe about big clubs selling 2 stars.

  44. Albo

    Gambon – Definitely prefer to se Geoff posting more often.
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    I’ll grant you, his special brand of grammatically challenged rabble rousing does at least get the comments flowing 🙂

    (Though, that said, there are actually some full-stops in the middle of paragraphs in this one, so maybe times they are a-changin’…)

  45. colonel mustard

    “Whatever happens this season cannot be considered anything other than a dismal failure. 10 losses and no trophies is unacceptable for a team like Arsenal. If any of you out there are crowing about the prospect of finishing third and Wenger’s greatest achievement blah, blah, blah then you have been conned big time.”

    fact…welll said. This club needs changes.

  46. Cesc Appeal

    We are always a few buys away from greatness, but those buys never arrive. We seem to have a star come along, he doesnt get the support he deserves, he leaves, another star crops up, leaves and so on and so on.
    Fabregas, Nasri, Van Persie (who could blame him if we sign next to nothing?)
    Look at the players Wenger has bottled on over the years. Yaya. Ronaldo. Drogba. Kompany. Ibrahimovic. Mata.
    But he has no problem offering huge wage packets to the Denilsons, Bendtners, Djourous of this world because he faces no competition for their signature.
    Its effing ridiculous!!

  47. Goonerman

    ‘Add to that no defensive coaching it makes you wonder what he does do!’

    How is it that we conceded no goals against Chelsea if there were no defensive coaching?

    Ridiculous statement; you have got to question the credibilty of the authors on this website.

  48. Cesc Appeal

    Goonerman we are one goal away from a record number conceded…..you’ve got to question the credibility of some of the comments on this site

  49. Big Dave

    We won’t be Stoke.

    5 players out for the season, squad looks thin again.

    Arteta big miss.

    Arsenal were poor on saturday

  50. GOONER4EVER

    Geoff
    I do not agree with you that Newcastle is our main rivals for 3rd spot
    Newcastlehave to play Chelsea away,Man city home and Everton away,which for me is maximum 5 points
    Chelsea Have QPR home,Newcastlehome Liverpool away and Blackburn home for me 9 maximum
    While tot have Blackburn home,Bolton away Aston vill away and Fulham home for me 10 maximum
    and Arsenal awy to Stoke,home to norwich and away to W.B.A for me 5 to 6 maximum
    That will give us a prediction of Arsenal 70/71 Tot 69 Chelsea and Newcastle 67 points

  51. Goonerman

    Cesc – we had massive number of injuries at the start of the season ie 4 full backs were out!!!!

    How do you cope with that?
    We had Centre Backs playing as Full Backs!!

  52. tippitappi

    Thats going back a bit Victoria Road is home to the Daggers I think it was called The Victora Ground anyway the problem with Diaby and Saturday is those fuckers under orders from the vile pulis will target him because of his problems and he won’t last 90 wenger bleeting there over the years has made this Stokes special match a shame the twat could’t keep his mouth shut and if your theory on Arsh holds any water at all the frenchy need a good kicking

  53. Albo

    Cesc Appeal – we haven’t been great defensively this season, but the stats are a bit misleading.

    Our first choice back 4 has looked very solid this season, even moreso with our first choice midfield (Arteta with Song) in front.

    If you look at our line-ups when we conceded lots of goals, it’s not hugely reflective of our defensive ability. Jeez, Traore was LB for the 8-2, and there was no Song, Arteta, TV or Sagna! Likewise, the run of games with 4 CBs at the back – hardly the best recipe for defensive cohesion!

  54. Cesc Appeal

    How do you cope with that? With a better squad? Studying the team you are playing not just sending the boys out the same every week (hence why Wigan beat us with a 3-4-3 system they’d used so well against United and wenger did not study). Read Fabregas’s comments, Wenger does not study opposition, doesnt show the players tapes of it.
    Who’s fault is it that with a 6ft 4 19 year old Spandiard centre back with less experience in the prem than the chewing gum in robins mouth playing left back?
    Goonerman….you cannot blame failings on bad luck. Barack Obama couldn’t get bombed by the Russians and then say ‘oh shit, what bad luck our lead defence expert was out with flu this morning.’
    When you earn millions of pounds a year, its your job to account for this. We are Arsenal, we get masses of injuries, we know, how can someone on £7 Million per year not?
    How can you plan you season on one great full back (Sagna). Then rely on a 19 year old with half a season of league 1 experience as his back up. A fibre glass 20 year old on the other side? Do not forget Santos was a panic buy….what on earth was Wenger doing?? Three full backs – only one of whom was good enough to make the grade??
    There’s your reason!

  55. Alex

    No chamakh thanks. we will have very few chances against stoke and only with rvp up front will have a chance of taking them.

    I agree with your back 5 and midfield, but I would leave RVP in the middle, go for benayoun on the right with santos on the left. If we are struggling for creativity we can bring on gervinho and on either wing and shift benayoun into midfield. If we are a goal or two up I would bring on Coquelin.

  56. Cesc Appeal

    Albo i agree, its no coincidence that when we got a full back four our form improved greatly. However what i argue is that Wenger has a get out of jail free card with this.
    It’s his piss poor planning and stubborness that lead us here. The only REAL full back we had going into the season was Sagna. All of us knew Gibbs would get injured. Carl Jenkinson? Boy might come good but you do not start a campaign with a 19 year old with half a season at Charlton as your back up!
    I hear what you’re saying Albo but for me Wenger has had a shocker this year, Real Madrid, Barca, City, Chelsea, United any other top team would have a replacement ready OR would already have sacked him

  57. Albo

    Cesc Appeal – you’re preaching to the choir there mate. The summer was a total fucking disgrace. And a 3rd place finish won’t change the fact that, at the time, it was appalling mismanagement by everyone at the top. (Not just Wenger, if the rumours I’m hearing are correct)

  58. Squirrel

    Newcastle fixtures:
    Chelsea v Newcastle Wed 2 May
    Newcastle v Man City Sun 6 May
    Everton v Newcastle Sun 13 May

    Spurs Fixtures:
    Tottenham v Blackburn Sun 29 Apr
    Bolton v Tottenham Wed 2 May
    Aston Villa v Tottenham Sun 6 May
    Tottenham v Fulham Sun 13 May

    Chavs Fixtures:
    Chelsea v QPR Sun 29 Apr
    Chelsea v Newcastle Wed 2 May
    Liverpool v Chelsea Tue 8 May
    Chelsea v Blackburn Sun 13 May

    So it looks like we get 3rd with 6 points imo

  59. Cesc Appeal

    Albo, yeah im with you there. Hill-Wood, Gazidis, Kroenke, they are all guilty in this. Who on earth got to the game at Old Trafford and thought, yeah our squad is good enough? eight goals later….
    That’s our main issue, no one at the club has the balls to say ‘Arsene, this squad list is dog crap mate. You’ve lost Fabregas and Nasri and you haven’t replaced them, our defence looks a mess and we’re a few injuries away from a disaster. Which would be ok if injuries were rare…but this is Arsenal. This is what we do!’

  60. Albo

    Well Hill Wood is a target because he is a buffoon, but really he has nothing to do with anything. He’s a figurehead and has been for years.

    But yes, there is plenty of blame to go around. Wenger, for example, wanted to hold onto Nasri and let him go at the end rather than sell him, but the club forced his hand. Now, that was probably sensible, but they needed to have found someone to replace him and they hadn’t, thanks to the Mata deal falling through. And I know everyone on here believes Wenger is a dictator, but truthfully, negotiations aren’t his remit, so I’m pretty sure there are some other people at fault over that too…

  61. Cesc Appeal

    Wenger wouldn’t look so crap if Dein was still at the club. Valencia agreed a £18 Million fee with us but we were waiting to see if Fabregas’s deal went through. I don’t like Gazidis, i never have, he seems one of those guys who just has nothing about him, no fire, no passion for the game, a glorified accountant. It’s funny they always go on about sustainability when a lot of the fans who pay to watch the team risk their own financial health to do so with our inflamed ticket prices.
    The club needs a serious shake up, from top to bottom, you always feel most comfortable right before you die. And i think this is where we are now with people feeling cushy in their jobs.

  62. Cesc Appeal

    Alex, Wenger has had his day, get over it. Ali was a great fighter once, but it’s knowing when to hang up your gloves before you get embarrassed

  63. goondawg

    The way newcastle are playing I feel it is well within their grasp to take big-game scalps. Personally I hope they do in Chavs, and when the chavs go tits up against Barcelona, or maybe in the final,which I don’t think they are good enough to win, playing this anti-football amongst the likes of Bayern or Real. I hope they get torn to pieces and then regret throwing the league away when they locked up shop against us, when in all fairness needed the three points as much as. So Chavs muck-up in league and CL would be a dream.

    And Spuds can continue their run of 1 win in 9 games. Brilliant team, much better team than arsenal(!), with so many old players that will progressively get shitter with niggling injuries, and all the players that want to leave next year, so are willing to miss out on top4 just to get a more willing going-rate, and an insufferable manager who is just as tactically inept as Wenger.. England is in safe hands. I think not.

    Soo, I’ve been talking to some realist German football fanatics, and they all mutually agreed that Podolski is shit. A shadow of his former self that wowed and blitzed so many goals in the world cup, now he’s just an average player. Now, I naturally will take this with a pinch of salt but at least he knows where the goal is right?? I mean how shit is a guy who scores 16+ for a relegated side?

  64. finestcuts

    All 3 games are must wins, we’ve already benefited from the slip ups from others. Newcastle have surprised everyone, they could have enough in the tank to go on a winning run until the end. We have the Player of the season, we can’t drop him for Chamakh. Chamakh is firing blanks, it’s just too risky. Every game is like a cup game now, no time for slip ups, We must finish the season off on a high in 3rd, count our blessings for how it’s ended up because we all know, it could have been much much worse.
    Then Wenger must strengthen.
    RVP doesn’t have to sign now, he can wait till Wenger does his transfer business because he knows we’re not selling him.
    Players like RVP are rare gems, we must build a proper team around him. Focus entirely on next season and re-group with a winning mentality where we challenge for the title.

  65. goondawg

    Lol 4 Geoff posts in a row, soon has all the AKBs coming out in full tilt, they can’t handle such personal insults to their lord, it’s blasphemous!

  66. JOPPAAAAAAAA

    All this season means is more of the same next season (and the season after).

    10 league defeats would be instant dismissal for any other manager at a big club. Wenger though is still loved by the majority of Arsenal fans so basically we are fucked.

    What does it take for him to go? 20 league defeats? 30?

    I just find it unbelievable.

  67. SDE

    Guys can you help me out here. Do you think,or don’t you think Wenger mislead Cesc,prior to Cesc going to World Cup 2010?
    Remember when he told cesc to trust him,he will do what’s best for cesc,for him just to focus on the tournament,blah,blah…

    I just need to clear this up!!

  68. nuudles

    Geoff, good writeup. Lets hope we finish third and the summer business (including RvP contract) is done early.

    Ons the chav game, Ramsey had a shocker first half but he was much better I thought in the second. I agree with you about Diaby, I love his ability, his attitude needs work but maybe it is down to him being frustrated with never being fit. I honestly think if he can make a RvP fitness turnaround and have a full season he can be just as influential as Robin.

    Benzema is Real’s first choice now, unless we blow them out of the water (ha) I dont see it happening. We might have a chance of getting Cavani, Falcao or Neymar (have not seen much of him, nust saying who we might be able to get not who we should). Still think we missed a trick with Reus. Poldi would have to do and I think his power and direct approach would suit the PL perfectly.

    More worrying in my book is left winger. Gerv is in a slump, he can be useful but is he the Chamakh of the wingers? Oxo has promise but he needs a seasons loan. Ryo is not yet up to PL level for us to rely on him for a full season. I know if we get Poldi he will likely line up on the left when RvP is fit, but if RvP or Poldi is out for an extended period we have problems. Similarly on the right Theo shows flashes but one would expect more consistency after sp many games and his contract situation is also still up in the air.

    If we can have a full season of RvP, Jack, Diaby, Kozzer, Vermaelen, Sagna, Chezzer and Poldi and not too many injuries for the remaining spots I am sure we can challenge.

  69. Matchy

    “””””””I think Arshavin was a Gazidas buy, I think the board forced his hand and Wenger was never happy with that.””””””””

    so wenger is a DICTATOR WITH HANDS TIED?

    HE WAS FORCED TO BUY.
    SO IT MEANS HE COULD BE FORCED TO SELL.
    IT COULD MEAN HE HAS NO MONEY TO INVEST FROM THE BOARD.

    SO THATS WHY WENGER LASTED SOOOOOO LONG IN THE BUSINESS. HE MAKES MONEY FOR THE BOARD,

    football clubs exisit not to make money. why a f#@$%#$ joke.

    tell van persie to reduce his pay packet for his next contract and well see what happens.

    When you are the dictator who follows his his instructions and makes money for his boss you are the greatest dictator.

    Kronke is boss. Wanna sack wenger .. MAKE KRONKE AN OFFER.

  70. gambon

    SDE

    Being honest I dont know. I thought he was 100% going and we were looking for a replacement then it didnt happen.

    It would surprise me for Wenger to lie to one of his players rather than face up to the situation.

  71. SDE

    Albo

    “And I know everyone on here believes Wenger is a dictator, but truthfully, negotiations aren’t his remit, so I’m pretty sure there are some other people at fault over that too…”

    Reply:
    And from what I hear,its Gazidis..non?
    That being the case,who sanctioned his recruitment?Wenger..!!Why?Because,wenger only works with people,who are not a threat to him,or his position,or won’t question him..
    In any other industry,since when does the Chief Executive, report to the Manager?..Only at Arsenal..

  72. TT

    That was pretty lame Geoff….Where is the fire breathing Geoff of the old that tore strips off the French ponce?

    kvunt out

  73. Geoff

    Fucking hell Albo you do talk shit. Trouble is you allude to the fact you know something, but you don’t.

    We actually do, we know people on the staff, I am a shareholder and for you to think that Wenger doesn’t do any negotiating is quite frankly, laughable.

    He even has his fucking voice on the phone answering system.

    Was the punctuation okay? Or would you prefer more profanities?

  74. goondawg

    I don’t think he misled him really. I mean what Wenger said was right, don’t concentrate on this transfer speculation, just do your thing.. and they won it, with Cesc applying the final assist.. What happened behind the scenes is as good as anyone’s guess.. But he may have stayed on one year as a promise from Wenger to replicate this trophy winning form for Arsenal.. that went tits up with the Bham final. But we know that it was Wenger who sold Fabregas for a cut-price, saying it was time for him to go home and this strikes me as a deal fullfilled for Cesc.

  75. Bush Gooner

    “Arsène Wenger believes defensive-minded opposition have made life difficult for Arsenal in their last two home games”

    Thats why you should go out andy buy quality players to make life difficult for the opposing defence.

  76. SDE

    goondawg..
    Lol @ SDE – that was so yesterday

    Reply
    I just need to verify it,…!!I know it was sooo yesterday..
    Can someone just please verify it?

  77. Geoff

    TT I’m trying to tone it down to protect the ears of the AKB’s

    As you can see though, they’ll find something to argue about!

  78. Albo

    SDE – I think you slightly misunderstand the balance of power in the club. We get wasn’t responsible for drawing up the short list or headhunting Gazidis. He did, of course, ‘sanction’ his recruitment in the sense that he declared he could work with him, but the idea that Wenger ‘appointed’ Gazidis is yet more internet nonsense

  79. fanboy

    There may be only one Wenger but f*ck I don’t want him.

    Robin completely deserves the award, take away his goals and we would have been around 10th place (Wengers new trophy)

  80. JOPPAAAAAAAA

    Who was St George?

    St. George is the patron saint of England. His emblem, a red cross on a white background, is the flag of England, and part of the British flag. St George’s emblem was adopted by Richard The Lion Heart and brought to England in the 12th century. The king’s soldiers wore it on their tunics to avoid confusion in battle.

    Saint George is popularly identified with England and English ideals of honour, bravery and gallantry, but actually he wasn’t English at all. Very little is known about the man who became St George.

    Quick Facts about St George

    Born in Turkey (in Cappadocia)
    Lived in 3rd century
    His parents were Christian
    Became a Roman soldier
    Protested against Rome’s persecution of Christians
    Imprisoned and tortured, but stayed true to his faith
    Beheaded at Lydda in Palestine
    St. George is believed to have been born in Cappadocia (now Eastern Turkey) in the year A.D. 270. He was a Christian. At the age of seventeen he joined the Roman army and soon became renowned for his bravery. He served under a pagan Emperor but never forgot his Christian faith.

    When the pagan Emperor Diocletian started persecuting Christians, St. George pleaded with the Emperor to spare their lives. However, St. George’s pleas fell on deaf ears and it is thought that the Emperor Diocletian tried to make St. George deny his faith in Christ, by torturing him. St George showed incredible courage and faith and was finally beheaded near Lydda in Palestine on 23 April, 303.

    In 1222, the Council of Oxford declared April 23 to be St George’s Day and he replaced St Edmund the Martyr as England’s patron saint in the 14th century. In 1415, April 23 was made a national feast day.

    Patron Saint

    St George is patron saint not only of England but also of Aragon, Catalonia, England, Ethiopia, Georgia, Greece, Lithuania, Palestine, Portugal, and Russia, as well as the cities of Amersfoort, Beirut, Bteghrine, Cáceres, Ferrara, Freiburg, Genoa, Ljubljana, Gozo, Pomorie, Qormi, Lod and Moscow.

    St George is also patron saint of scouts, soldiers, archers, cavalry and chivalry, farmers and field workers, riders and saddlers, and he helps those suffering from leprosy, plague and syphilis.

  81. SDE

    goondawg..

    I suppose,there are several takes on this..You might be right,but according to the version I heard..and my interpretation- Wenger gave Cesc the impression,that the deal for him to go to Barca,would happen upon his return from the 2010 world cup,only to backtrack.Subsequently doing a deal with cesc,which would see him staying another year,blah,blah…

    But I won’t argue this one out,if the consensus is in line with your take..

  82. Norgun

    There are two villains in Afc: Wenger and Kroenke. Anyone failing to see that is fucking blind. Read the article on LA Dodgers from the other day: “Saving that same franchise from an owner that is only bottom-line driven is magical. Stan Kroenke is that worst thing that could have happened to the L.A. Dodgers.”….” Kroenke is the prime example of the worst kind owner, one that takes the hard earned money of the fans and stuffs in directly in his back pocket. Reinvesting into teams is a foreign idea that is openly scoffed at. Frankly put, Kroenke is cheap.”. You guys don’t see the link between our transfer record and Kroenke?? Wenger with his obsession for “cheap” kids and “gems” from obscure leagues works like a dream for Kroenke. The fact that Wenger manages to secure CL football with the lowest net spending in PL makes him the most productive manager in Kroenke’s portfolio, and hence unfirable. I agree that Wenger needs to go, but NOTHING will change unless Kroenke sells as well. This is not an AKB statement in defense of Wenger, but Kroenke will not invest in the team REGARDSLESS of who’s manager. Wake up and smell the fucking coffee, BOTH needs to get the hell out of Afc!

  83. Geoff

    Joppa to be honest I’m fed up with arguing with people over Wenger and his idiotic decision making, there’s only a month to go before we see if he’s learned anything. I suspect he hasn’t.

    We’ll see.

  84. goondawg

    SDE

    I’m not 100% certain either, just guesstimating.. How much did Cesc get paid in his last year? I’m pretty sure he was at least bribed well enough to forsake his historical catalanic birth right views to stay and slave it up with the Arse.. He did take a pay cut in order to join up later I recall..

  85. goondawg

    Geoff – this summer shall be showdown summer! Let’s see if Wenger learns from his mistakes, but I fear we will buy Baboolu kaka, Xioung Ji and Vikram Sokundaganesh

  86. Geoff

    Joppa, you are like Pedro, he googles and cuts and pastes!

    Here the Geoff slant.

    George was English and rumour has it from Bethnal Green. He was in the Roman army as it was the only place he could get a free sword and a red skirt.

    He made his name from killing Dragon’s, that’s how come we have no Dragon problem in England. Fucking obvious I would have thought.

    Turkey my arse.

    I hope that sets the record straight.

  87. goondawg

    Who was St George?St. George is the patron saint of England. His emblem, a red cross on a white background, is the flag of England, and part of the British flag. St George’s emblem was adopted by Richard The Lion Heart and brought to England in the 12th century. The king’s soldiers wore it on their tunics to avoid confusion in battle.Saint George is popularly identified with England and English ideals of honour, bravery and gallantry, but actually he wasn’t English at all. Very little is known about the man who became St George.Quick Facts about St GeorgeBorn in Turkey (in Cappadocia)
    Lived in 3rd century
    His parents were Christian
    Became a Roman soldier
    Protested against Rome’s persecution of Christians
    Imprisoned and tortured, but stayed true to his faith
    Beheaded at Lydda in Palestine
    St. George is believed to have been born in Cappadocia (now Eastern Turkey) in the year A.D. 270. He was a Christian. At the age of seventeen he joined the Roman army and soon became renowned for his bravery. He served under a pagan Emperor but never forgot his Christian faith.When the pagan Emperor Diocletian started persecuting Christians, St. George pleaded with the Emperor to spare their lives. However, St. George’s pleas fell on deaf ears and it is thought that the Emperor Diocletian tried to make St. George deny his faith in Christ, by torturing him. St George showed incredible courage and faith and was finally beheaded near Lydda in Palestine on 23 April, 303.In 1222, the Council of Oxford declared April 23 to be St George’s Day and he replaced St Edmund the Martyr as England’s patron saint in the 14th century. In 1415, April 23 was made a national feast day.Patron SaintSt George is patron saint not only of England but also of Aragon, Catalonia, England, Ethiopia, Georgia, Greece, Lithuania, Palestine, Portugal, and Russia, as well as the cities of Amersfoort, Beirut, Bteghrine, Cáceres, Ferrara, Freiburg, Genoa, Ljubljana, Gozo, Pomorie, Qormi, Lod and Moscow.St George is also patron saint of scouts, soldiers, archers, cavalry and chivalry, farmers and field workers, riders and saddlers, and he helps those suffering from leprosy, plague and syphilis.

    _________________________________________-

    You legend Jopaaa

  88. Albo

    Geoff – so hang on, your ‘proof’ that Wenger does the negotiating is that the club have a recorded message of him when you get the answerphone on the ticket hotlines?!
    Interesting!

    What I actually said was that negotiations aren’t Wenger’s remit, not that he has NOTHING to do with them. I was pointing out that, when the Mata deal fell through there were more people to blame than just Wenger, not that he was blameless.

    Wenger runs the footballing budget, so in that sense he is instrumental in negotiations since he sets a lot of the figures.

    But there is more to negotiations than JUST deciding who pays what, and here’s a little fact for you. On deadline day, when we sewed up all those last minute deals, Wenger wasn’t even in London, let alone at the Emirates working on negotiations. He was at a conference somewhere.

    So I’d say there must be some other people involved, no?

    “Fucking hell Albo you do talk shit. Trouble is you allude to the fact you know something, but you don’t.We actually do, we know people on the staff, I am a shareholder”

    Ironically it is YOU who do often allude to knowing things without any evidence, and that statement is a case in point. You suggest hidden knowledge, but rarely actually seem to know anything I can’t know just by following a handful of well connected people on Twitter! Jeez, if you were so well connected I’d have thought you might have known you were talking nonsense about Wenger’s bonus all those years ago! I on the other hand almost always back up my assertions with actual facts that are in the public domain.

    “Was the punctuation okay? Or would you prefer more profanities?”

    It’s funny how often you seem to link things that have no link as if you’ve made a logical argument. (See the hilarious answerphone point above). Profanities? If I had a problem with profanities I would have commented on your vocabulary, not your grammar!

  89. JOPPAAAAAAAA

    LOL Geoff, I got that off some primary school website (yeah sure they teach English history in primary schools).

    Re Arsenal: Suppose you are right. Wenger still winds the fc out of me though.

    I don’t think this summer will be any different. The ingredients are already in place with RVP going.

  90. SDE

    albo

    I think you slightly misunderstand the balance of power in the club. We get wasn’t responsible for drawing up the short list or headhunting Gazidis. He did, of course, ‘sanction’ his recruitment in the sense that he declared he could work with him, but the idea that Wenger ‘appointed’ Gazidis is yet more internet nonsense

    Reply:
    And Albo from your line”He did, of course, ‘sanction’ his recruitment in the sense that he declared he could work with him, ”

    And if you read my excerpt:-
    “And from what I hear,its Gazidis..non?
    That being the case,who sanctioned his recruitment?Wenger..!!Why?Because,wenger only works with people,who are not a threat to him,or his position,or won’t question him..”

    So we agree wenger sanctioned gazidis’s appointment..
    As in had the final say on gazidis..
    If wenger had said no he could not work with gazidis,do you think that the BoD would have forced Wenger to work with gazidis,whether he liked,it or not?
    Thus the BoD,creating a conflict of interest,thus jeopardising their r’ship with the cash cow..Wenger.. Don’t think so..!!
    I think you underestimate the power-base wenger has been allowed to indulge himself in at the emirates..

    That said,if its gazidis who concludes/dithers on negotiations,the problem lies not with gazidis,but with wenger for sanctioning his recruitment,not on the basis of being a competent employee,but in wengers crazy world,because he will not pose a threat/challenge to wenger’s powerbase..
    A leader/ manager is only as strong as the personnel he/she manages,or leads,albeit in the workplace,a football team,or an army unit into battle..
    Remember that son..you might go a long way..

  91. Cesc Appeal

    Everybody just calm down! We’re already signing Wilshere and Diaby! With Arteta and Walcott on the way! That’s four signings clearly Wenger has learnt his lesson

  92. jack

    Good post as usual Geoff.

    As a shareholder , would you sell yours to Usmanov if he needed it and promised you a place on the Board.

    IF only..

  93. Geoff

    Albo, you are such a cunt, you don’t read anything I say do you, my point about the answer phone was about his obsession with having a hand in everything, not proof that he does negotiations.

    I know a lot about what goes on and write a blog to share it with people, why don’t you if you are such an expert, or better still fuck off to a blog where people will listen to the shit you talk.

  94. SDE

    “Albo”
    “alboI think you slightly misunderstand the balance of power in the club. We get wasn’t responsible for drawing up the short list or headhunting Gazidis. He did, of course, ‘sanction’ his recruitment in the sense that he declared he could work with him, but the idea that Wenger ‘appointed’ Gazidis is yet more internet nonsense”

    Reply: the above is albo’s rhetoric..not mine!!

  95. goondawg

    Norgun

    Not meaning to sound pro-akb, but the bigger villain sounds like Kroenke and not Arsene who manages to secure 4th place on a shoe-string budget.. If Kroenke boosted up the coffers and war chest a bit with his vast array of cash, instead of pocketing it all as profit, then I daresay Wenger would not resort to buying kiddie gems and shopping at lidl.. This is why I’m a firm believer that Usmanov should take over.. Kroenke is like a disease, Wenger being one of his affected victims.

  96. Cesc Appeal

    Is there anything we can do realistically do to prompt an Usmanov move? I can’t think of anything, I wish he would get aggressive, I think he could lever Kroenke out, the guy clearly doesn’t know football (soccer) and is here for cash and status.

  97. gambon

    Goondawg

    Since when has Kroenke pocketed ANY money from the club?

    He hasnt at all. he isnt even payed a salary.

    Wenger has had money time after time after time. He chooses not to spend it.

    kroenke is far from perfect as he will never inject his own money I dont think, but lets not try and excuse Wenger by blaming him for Arsenes baffling decisions.

  98. albo

    SDE – I think we basically agree with each other. The point I was making about Gazidis’ appointment was that, if he’s not up to scratch, surely the BoD have to take responsibility for that, rather than Wenger? No matter how powerful he is at the club, Wenger is still only an employee…

  99. gambon

    Cesc

    The only thing that will make this happen is sustained demonstrations at the ground. It isnt really that realistic.

    Kroenke has NEVER sold a stake in one of his sports clubs, thats what people have to understand.

  100. Cesc Appeal

    Wenger’s failed. How can the AKB’s not come to realise that? His whole plan was to build a team from kids that would play like Barcelona and have a steadfast loyalty to the club. Fabregas being touted as the poster boy.
    He’s won nothing, lost most of his coveted players, or they haven’t worked out (Denilson, Bendtner) he persisted with giving big contracts to his under performing favourites and still does (Djourou).
    He has to go, if he doesn’t it tells Europe that we’re a laughingstock, we have no ambition and we’ll roll over for you just so long as we make that £35 Million getting in the Champions League

  101. David Bolo

    “Walcott has had 200 games and is guilty of the same flaws. Denilson had one billion six hundred and twenty seven million, nine hundred and eighty two thousand, six hundred and fourty four games for us for crying out loud!!”

    Cesc Appeal, a bit of over exagerration there. I reckon Denilson played only half the number you have quoted! Cut him some slack.
    Your Comment Here

  102. Bade

    Albo,

    I don’t know nothing for a fact, I live thousands miles away, I trust Pedro though so when he said that about AA23, I believe he made his calls and check ups before with people at the club.

    As for “countless chances” this is truly hilarious. after you fuck his whole spirit and drive, are you expecting him to react like a soulless machine? because he isn’t obviously

    And those countless times could have hold a worthy debate if only Arsene gave him the run he deserved after he was back to his form and we lacked a player of his calibre. But Arsene clearly wasn’t interested

  103. Cesc Appeal

    yeah i hear you gambon, but Usmanov does have crazy money, £18.1 Billion. Could Kroenke resist making some record profit on shares?

  104. Bade

    Albo

    Sorry for the late reply, I know the debate is somewhere else now, but I wanted to clarify my point

    Now I leave you to earn my living again

    Fuck me my dusk looks as if…. as if there’s no disk at all full of nasty boring paper work

  105. BOOZY

    coaching is now a young mans game, gone where the days of old relics handling clubs.

    how many top coaches now are over 55, except you can rig your way to titles like Mr. fuckerson, i can only think of carlo ancelotti who is still getting the job done.

    top coaches winning titles today are young bloods
    maureen
    pep
    de boer
    kloop
    conti ( will win for juve this season )
    alegri
    garcia
    avb

    I’ve always wanted to see wenger lift the champions league for arsenal – now i realize it wont happen, because the ego of old age has caught up with him, and now screws are beggining to lose in his brain.

    we need a young fresh blood.