Arsene… leave the commercial side alone! | Robin denies interview, not moving | Sunderland – Arsenal preview

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Morning everyone! Nothing like waking up to yet another lecture from Arsene Wenger on profit and how to run a good company. Yeah, Arsene is spouting off again in the press trying to justify his lack of expenditure by bending the truth about what has to happen at the company he’s running on a commercial level.

“We want to pay the debt we owe from the stadium we built, that’s around £15 million [per year]. So it’s normal that at the start, we have to make at least £15 million or we lose money.”

Oh Arsene, why do you do it? Why don’t you just leave the finance to Ivan and get on with your job. It’s not your responsibility to look after that side of the business. It’s your job to look after what happens on the pitch. Ivan sets your budget for the year and he’ll tell you what you can and cannot spent on players. I tell you who else could put you straight on your thinking about the stadium repayments… Danny Fiszman. He said this a few years ago…

‘There is this constant thing that the Emirates is bleeding the club, that we’ve got these repayments — it’s total crap – look at our accounts and you will see our net payments are £20m and the revenue increase from the new stadium is close to £50m. Explain to me how the stadium bleeds the club if it’s producing an extra £30m a year’

Well Danny, someone needs to explain that to Arsene Wenger, because after years of trying to put out the fire of fear around the stadium loan killing us, the manager is trying to reignite it to cause confusion and panic. The club DO produce profit, albeit through property and player sales and we have done regularly over the past 4 years… but we’re not investing it back in the playing squad.

We could also go into debt. Sure it’s not sustainable on a long term basis… but if the club decided they wanted to pump a £120million into player acquisitions to make sure there was an amazing team on the pitch by the time of commercial renewals, they could do that with little problem (when you consider we’ll have £77mill in cash sitting in the bank when the Queensland Rd development sells, we’re not far off). In fact, Madrid did something similar a few years ago when they tried to make it back to the top. They took out huge loans, brought in some major players, didn’t make it back to the top, but they sure as hell raked in the cash on a commercial front. Everyone wants to be associated with their glamour.

The trouble Arsenal have is that they made supporting so about business that the fans had to go out and educate themselves in corporate finance. Now we’re all educated, it’s becoming harder for Arsene to spin his nonsense because professionals who know the clubs finances better than the club can unravel what’s going on pretty damn fast.

The manager took a pop at the African Cup of Nations. He quipped that quality was low and that nobody was attending.

‘Can the people not afford to pay for tickets? Are the prices too high? There is a deep, basic problem with this tournament – there is nobody there.’

I have to agree with him. I caught the second half of Ghana vs Zambia the other day. The stadiums were empty and the football was terrible. Maybe the tournament is played too often? Maybe the Africans are numb to international football like we are in England? Either way, I think they’d benefit from playing it every four years over two. Good news is that Gervinho will be back soon. He hasn’t contracted any tropical diseases yet and he managed to score a  good goal the other night!

Arsene also ruled himself out of the England manager job…

“[Managing a national team] is completely different; it is more PR, more communication, there is less impact on the footballing side and less impact on building the team because if you have a good generation then you can do well and if you don’t you can do nothing. In a club you always have ways to build a team.”

I think all signs point to Redknapp. That would work for me. He’s desperate for the job, he’s worked hard to get it, he knows how to motivate and the players will love him. It’ll also unsettle Spurs in the run in. That’s going to be really interesting. How will their squad react to knowing Harry might be off in the summer? Quite often it has a negative impact on team unity. Suddenly not everyone is pulling in the same direction because they feel the manager isn’t. Hopeful speculation maybe…

It’s Sunderland up this afternoon… a big, big test of resolve for the Arsenal team. We need to start building out a bit of a run otherwise we’ll fast see ourselves dropping out of contention for the coveted money making position (<– that sounded a bit gross didn’t it). The team from the North East is resurgent under Martin O’Neill and they’re eighth in the league. Never mind where we think we are as a club, they’re contenders with us at the moment. That doesn’t mean we should roll over and let them take the points. We’ve got to go up there and play with the same authority we did against Blackburn last week. We’re going to have to play our expansive games and we’re going to have to make sure we get the best out of Theo and Oxo. Stretching them with pace will pen them in and make our job a whole lot easier.

I’m not sure how Arsene will line up. I’m guessing he’ll go with a front three of Oxo, Theo and Robin… he has little choice. The midfield will probably revert back to Arteta, Rambo and Song… at the back, I’d hope to see a far more balance line up with Sagna slipping into right back and probably a continuation of Vermaelen, Mertesacker and Kosicielny. That’s a strong side. A side that should go up there and win!

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Right, that’s all I have for you… have a great day!


Wenger came out to deny the Marca story about Robin moving over to Spain with Madrid. The pressure is sure to ramp up over the next few months. We know it’s unlikely Robin will hang around for Arsenal to get their act in order, so we have to expect this. One line that did make me laugh was this one about Barca getting Robin…

“What do you think? Barcelona knows that they have a difficult job with us, always,”

Errrr… no they don’t. That much is pretty clear after the summer when they mocked us for getting Cesc on a cut price deal. Anyway, don’t worry your cottons… Robin said this on Twitter.

“Contrary to reports in Spain I have NEVER spoken to Marca newspaper and never gave any interview. Enjoy your day.”

Shame he didn’t deny wanting to move there!


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  1. tippitappi

    hate wenger but always pleased we win it’s just so painful watching what is happening to our club but its game on again although I’m not getting my hopes up for 4th, it seems the boys looked good at the back today
    love Arsenal hate wENGER

  2. reggie57

    listen here albo you melon !iv been a arsenal fan for nigh on 50 year’s now!! not a arsene one !if it mean’s we lose to shit team and wenger get’s the sack so be it!! we have the potential to be one of the biggest club’s in the world but sadly a manager who’s only interested in making a bucket load of cash !!for what to develope more property around the emirate’s you tell me he’s not spending it on the team is he, the club’s a joke mate and people like you are not helping matter’s we are arsenal fc not arsene fc alright!!

  3. Alone + Easy Target

    Geoff, you are surely joking that Song ’caused’ the goal?!


    Albo you should really watch the replay of their goal again. Song dozed off and didn’t the control the ball which he should easily have. That was what started it all.

  4. albo

    I’ve said it before Bade – football is a cyclical game. Even the most successful teams in the history of the game will go periods in the lifetime of a fan where they are not at the top. (Just ask Liverpool!) You’ll be a very miserable football fan, whichever team you support, if you’re only happy when you are top of the league!

  5. Geoff

    Well Albo, I hope you read all those comments (not mine) about Song and their goal, next time try watching before getting on your Song soap box. I’m not alone.

  6. Swedish Gun

    Great win!

    Sunderland was unbeaten at home i think?

    surprised chelski lost again

    4th looks more and more doable

    a nice draw in the late game would be nice too

  7. Geoff

    Albo that would be true if we paid what Liverpool did to watch our team, sadly we don’t, so we do have the right to expect, at least expect a manager that earns £7mil a year to spend some of our money on someone other than himself.

  8. DialSquare

    LeMassiveCoqFebruary 11, 2012 16:30:36
    Fucking lanky streak of piss was a liability anyway. I hope he’s out for the season.

    Comment of a Gooner or twat you decide

  9. albo

    Think your dislike of Song is blinding you there Geoff. Have watched it several times – it looks like a totally intended lay-off to Mertesacker to me…

  10. Geoff

    There was a point today when England were losing to Italy in the rugby and Arsenal were one down, it wasn’t very happy in my front room.

  11. goonermart

    Good result but a very shit performance, if people are happy to watch Arsenal play so poor then so be it. If we played that shit once in a blue moon I don’t believe anyone would give a shit, but too many times we have played like that. If you can’t see thats a problem I really don’t understand.

  12. Bade


    I think Song was shite regardless his part in the goal

    Had the senile popped up during the interval, he would’ve probably seen my take on Per being so jaded and would’ve replaced him, so the goal would’ve not happened despite Song

    Arsene you cock, you should pop on LG more!

  13. LeMassiveCoq

    Dialsquare….I am embarrassed by that comment i made and thought i had not posted it. A case of ‘rush of angry getting beat again shit to the brain Im afraid’.

    I hope Per recovers quickly. I do however still think he is on the shit side of average.

  14. Geoff

    Ha, ha I know he intended to put Mertesacker in the shit, I don’t suppose he thought he would cause him an injury though.

    And all the balls he gave away Albo?

  15. kay

    Shit – Walnut
    Shiter – Song
    Shitest – Wanker (lucky today that his usual 67 min subs clicked).

    Positives –
    1. chesney,
    2. TH14 (RVP s backup gone and we re blinking… )
    3. Ramsey (Long shot effort which was not at all taken throughout the game in which we tried to break open sunderland which was in vain.
    4. Arshavin (the ONLY Cross which made use of a forward)

  16. albo

    Haha – know that feeling Geoff. Though watching one on my laptop and the other on tv got a bit confusing after a while. Kept looking at the laptop and getting pissed off that the blues were in possession only to remember it was the Arsenal!

  17. iffy the Mighty Goonasaures

    Ricky February 11, 2012 17:36:42

    The spuds are killing it!!

    And as much as it pains me to say…… They’re playing ball.

    No surprise really…they’ve got good players. I hope barcelona gets their man in the summer

  18. Sabeel


    I suppose walnutt will never be dropped by wenger, becos he is a project just like denilson is….next season denilson is also going to be given another run prob,when rosicky leaves

  19. Al

    How godly is King Henry, nice movement and finish, credit to arshavin getting the cross in from a tight angle something Walcott could never achieve, this team will certainly improve once Walcott does not start every game.

    also kos at the moment is playing out of is skin, he is a player thag of would say GETS IT, on regards to fans expectations of its players.
    Also I think rosicky deserves a mention he really forced the issue today in driving the team forward.

    Great win at a tough ground against a resurgent team

  20. Danny

    Don’t get too excited lads coz our next 3 league games are:
    ….and of course without Thierry……

  21. Byo

    The doomers and gloomers will not be happy with this win. They have to find something not to like- upcoming fixtures, or Song’s is shit or some such.

  22. RodneyK –
    “Last-gasp Henry winner sends Arsenal fourth in the Premier League”. –
    “Rooney double fires United to top spot”.

    Simply the difference between Fergie and Wenger. He keeps talking about mental strength, blah, blah, blah. But it’s obvious settling for 4th and his own weak mentality is the reason why we’re where we are today; relying on a former legend to win against – wait a minute – Leeds and Sunderland. Great win today though.

  23. albo

    So just out of interest – the people blaming Song for their goal. Are they talking about an error early in the build up, or is it just that they’re mistaking Sagna for Song and think the final pass to PM was poor?

    (For the record I don’t think Sagna did anything wrong. PM would easily have passed it back to Chezzer if not for the injury)

  24. Doublegooner

    Reggie57: @ 17.27

    You are so spot on.

    I’ve said for 2 years, there are two groups. Arsenal & Arsene Fans.

    Wenger is so stale, like the majority of his players & his tactics.

    How does renewing Djourou’s contract ( probably with a reasonable increase) sound good business. The guys a dud & once again, he’ll have a contract that makes it impossible get shot of him.

  25. Bade

    This game was so similar to the win we nicked late against Villa away. Remember?

    Well, the downside of it is the bad run we had since than win…… Hope this isn’t duplicated now

  26. Alone + Easy Target

    So just out of interest – the people blaming Song for their goal. Are they talking about an error early in the build up, or is it just that they’re mistaking Sagna for Song and think the final pass to PM was poor?
    The former but I can’t find the replay which shows it. It’s like 3or 4 seconds before the start of this video.

  27. albo

    Shit. Trying to decide which is more important to our season. The horrible thought of Spurs on the up, or Newcastle losing a load of goal difference and confidence. I guess realistically the latter. Optimisitcally, the former…

  28. Goon from BD

    When the fuck is Gervinho back? Theo is a fucking liability. But Wenger will probably keep Theo playing from the start.

  29. Doublegooner


    Spuds prove that a 36,000 stadium with a wage bill far less than ours can compete…It depends on the players you buy with the money available & the way you play.

    Great having a 60,000 corporate spaceship, huh !

  30. albo

    Bade – to be honest, I always find it hard to judge players on a shitty internet stream cos half the time I can’t work out who is who! (I thought RvP had scored the winner initially!)

    Will be better able to judge once I see it on the big screen tonight…

  31. Leedsgunner

    4-0 to the Spuds…. Damn they’re playing like we used to. Like I said a good win but 4th is not a trophy no matter what AW says. How did AFC become an accountant’s wet dream?

  32. Doublegooner


    (Also I was watching the rugby at the same time, so not really best placed to judge individual performances…)

    Proper Goon ! lol

  33. kay


    Its 2-2 for you today.. but we are at 4th atleast….

    my next wish is spuds drop points starting next week..

    Bade please say yes..I have a strong feeling your predictions will turn true someway or the other..

  34. Mayank

    DoubleG, just out of curiosity, do you think there’s any way Spurs can retain their wage bill and their players over the summer?

    I mean Bale, Modric, and Ade are on a fraction of the wages they can demand. VdV and Scott P are in the twilight of their career. So are Gallas, King and Friedel.

    What do you think the long term plan for Spurs is? Is the current wages structure sustainable? I doubt it and I doubt the have the financial power to fight for top 3 on a regular basis.,

  35. nishanth

    Song and walcott were rubbish today.I would rather play le coq in the right wing.He has got more trickery than walcott

  36. albo

    Doublegooner – but all Spurs are doing is what we’ve been doing for the past 5 seasons. Running the eventual winners close and staying in the hunt.

    Why is that suddenly worthy of such praise, when it’s been such a huge disappointment when we do it? Pisses we off when gooners start lauding Spurs as this great example of how to run a club when all they’ve done is had 1 and a half decent seasons and still aren’t going to win the league!

    (And by the way, they won’t hold onto half of these players without a lot more money for wages in the next few seasons)

  37. Blanco

    another crap comment from wenger ‘You never know. It is a shame that a player of that quality is not in England or in Europe’ well if you were not an ageist twat – you could of signed him when he left barca. Wenger has got to go with comments like that

  38. Pedro

    What a cunt I feel… pleased Spurs are winning 4-0!

    There’s a new call to action for the podcast in the side bar… if you want to get it direct from iTunes.

    The site is nearly complete…

    Next week, we’ll be tying up with a betting company… they’ll do some exclusive odds for you… so help the cause when it happens by opening an account!

  39. Doublegooner

    Wenger the dozy twat goes on about how strong our bench was…We make loan signing for handful of games & spuds take a chance and sign Saha. If I’m correct, they have 4 strikers…and us ? !

  40. albo

    DoublegoonerFebruary 11, 2012 18:12:50
    albo(Also I was watching the rugby at the same time, so not really best placed to judge individual performances…)
    ————————————————————————————————Proper Goon ! lol

    Presumably you’ll be levelling the same snide remark at Geoff then?! Hate watching the footy on a shitty stream so planned to watch it properly later. Hardly proof that you’re a bigger gooner than me!

  41. Ricky

    I can’t get my head round wether its a good or bad thing that Henry is still considered one of our best players at this stage of he’s career…

    I think it just proves how backwards we have gone since he left.

  42. Doublegooner


    supporting a team is about doing it come rain shit or shine, plus singing / getting behind the team,,,that doesnt say you arent allowed to criticise the manager or the players.

    Like Reggie, I’ve been clocking up the miles for 45 years.

    I support The Arsenal. Not Arsene FC.

    There was a good club here before he came, he definately improved it..However, will it be any better when he leaves than when he arrived ?

  43. albo

    Doublegooner – yes it will definitely be better when he leaves than when he arrived. A good example of that is that had we been in this position in Wenger’s first season it wouldn’t remotely have been regarded as a failure by us fans. And that was without the increased level of competition caused by Chelsea and Man City’s rise to the top…

  44. Blanco

    just sitting here watching Nordveit do a good job as a holding midfielder. Antoher Wenger let go without even watching. Looks far more accomplished than Song.

  45. Doublegooner


    My pal called Brewin Dolphi yesterday to sell his share assuming it was Usmanov paying £16k. The guy couldnt be heard saying it wasnt him (R&W) but ‘another party’. When my mate asked ‘was it Kronke ?’ the guy replied ‘along those lines’.

    My pal did not sell the share.

  46. kwik fit

    The share price will continue to increase. I think Stan is buying more because he know’s that Usmanov is going to take him out in the Summer. doublegooner tell your pal to hold tight.

  47. Doublegooner

    kwit fit:

    Stan aint selling.He’s here for the long term. More like he’s trying to reduce the shares available to Usmanov & AST members/shareholders.

  48. Ricky


    Your right to a certain extent but the main reason fergie took scholes on board is because he couldn’t get sneijder to leave inter in jan.. Plus they never expected to lose fletcher.

    At least with fergie the mancs know they will have one of the worlds best CM’s in the game in the summer.. Where us gooners can’t say the same thing.

  49. Ricky

    Albo, we never made an attempt to sign Podolski so no..

    We can say what we want to mask things up but the facts is wenger never had any intention of signing Podolski where as fergie pointed out he’s target & went for it even if he knew it would be rejected at least until the summer.

  50. albo

    RIcky – I’m sorry, but you simply have no idea whether that is the truth or not. Bottom line is neither manager made a big purchase.

  51. IvoryGoonz

    Ricky: I dont think we should worry about Henry being our best player, look at Bergkamp, was still the best and up for the challenge at 34…
    what Im really worried about on the player side is when Sagna is able to see from the stands what Wenger never sees.
    When Robin clearly sees Wenger fuck up, and end up apologising for having ambition, you have to wonder. when Wenger protect so,e player when 10 years go he wouldn’t have hesitated kicking asses during press conferences, it only show Wenger thinks he can do anything, and until most of us unite and ACT, he’s happy milking the cow for his ethical-utopical experiment.
    what we should really worry about is the pattern that Wenger follows.
    as Pedro and Geoff know, why do Wenger keep talking about the need of selling players to make 15m profit every year, while we should be in a better position than before Emirates, and be able to keep our best players?
    when greed, money, is more important than results and success, you know something is wrong, and whoever still defend this politics is either filling his pocket, or totally blinded by his dream.
    Wake up Arsene, or be gone!

    when you agreed a loan repayment terms with your bank, and that you can easily repay that with your main added income due to bigger stadium, but that you need to invest in your squad since 7 years, why do you end up repaying the debt quicker, and only get stop gaps in?
    Wenger has not learned the lesson.
    he’s learned that lot of Arsenal fans drink his shit banky drink and will accept his sustainable model which consists in piling up our money on accounts and make interest money because he’s way too frightened to spend it, as much as he boosts a positive net transfer every year, he’s spending pocket money, and saving pocket money, and that these fans will accept anything, the same way French let their presidents cheat on elections, fraud on ammunition contracts, in the same way US government showed the way since the Koweit-Iraq war;
    it’s not even about a financial crisis.
    if euro zent into a real final crisis, it would take down China with it, Europe being the first client of China.
    Aint gonna happen.
    all these so called economists should have seen coming the explosion of the “bubble”, but should also know there are way too any people living on making money out of thin air, or money itself, for them to let it fall without preparing it first.

  52. Socrates

    Great win, dont know if its only me but at some point I thought Kozzer looked over confident, like he somehow had cracked the premier league defending code.

    Looked a bit arrogant particularly with the header he gave away

  53. Ricky

    Albo, I know for a fact that fergie tried to push the sneijder deal forward as soon as he knew they would have to give fletcher extended leave.

    Inter refused & sneijder wanted to wait until the summer as was agreed which is why he chose to call up scholes & save the sneijder cash until the summer (which makes perfect sense IMO)

    Which reliable source has told anyone that wenger tried to bring in Podolski in the jan market? Truth is wenger was all talk like he has been with tons of other players in the past & never had any intention of spending any money in the summer.

  54. DialSquare

    iffy the Mighty GoonasauresFebruary 11, 2012 19:15:34
    why’d we sell Ade again?

    Because he is a money grabbing cunt

  55. Ricky

    IG , Henry being 34 & one of our best players is not so much the worry..

    However, The fact that Henry is a shadow of he’s former self & still one of our best players is a big worry.

  56. jlp

    Hey Pedro
    I have a question for you. Since the site change over i been running into a untimely welcomed problem.
    When i read you guys on the iphone the page keeps redirecting to some sexy pornesque type site as soon as the download is clear,which as i said would be welcomed if it wasnt whilst i sit in the personnel room at work. And you know my ip address and let me tell u these fuckers wouldnt see the humor in it. You got any idea on this