Time to forget Wenger, his bizarreness and occasional fibbery, time to get the tissues out, it’s fantasy time!

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Ok I have said all I need to say about Arsene Wenger and his inability to understand what the fan base actually want, namely a few decent players and the odd trophy.

And save stating the obvious that we should do a January swap deal with Real madrid for Jose Mourinhio which we clearly won’t, I want to talk today about what could happen should the ‘odd one’ luck out with this team, the returning players, a spud/chav collapse and if he’s involved in a massive smash up with the ‘abitofcommonsensejuggernaut’

So this is the team we could soon have lining up to pick up the points and win trophies.

Chezzer

Sagna Vermaelen Mertesacker/Kozzer Santos

Diaby Arteta Wilshere

Oxo RVP Gervinho

Bench of Theo, Ramsey, Song, Coquelin and Fabianski

Yes I left out Song for Diaby because with Jack and Arteta we would have a midfield that would and could swap around and be where they are needed, not to mention skill over lack of pace and fundamental absence of any footballing knowledge.

Also, it’s time to bench players if they aren’t pulling their weight, either because they aren’t good enough, aren’t good enough yet, or complacent because they have no competition. Either way we are neither a nursery nor an indulgence, time to man up and manage.

The back four pick themselves but Mertesacker, Kozzer and Vermaelen should be vying for the centre back role and not the full back fill in, with Santos and Sagna back we will be in good shape, with Yennaris and Gibbs as back up as I think Jenkinson has crock written all over him.

The forward line needs someone in it that can attack, cross and find the goal. If the manager thinks Oxo will get fatigued he should have saved himself £15mil or left him in the academy all season.

Now if he did something like that, dropped his hapless favourites and sold his sh!te signings Chamakh, Squillaci, Bendtner, Denilson, Djourou, Park, Almunia and Rosicky we would have the money to reduce season ticket prices, as we know that as long as he’s in charge we won’t buy a decent footballer.

For years Pedro and I were telling him to get rid of Eboue, Senderos and Denilson, he wouldn’t, he played them over and over and over again, he even made up stats for them! (most completed passes in the Premiership was a classic for spinning head) Then one day they slipped out of the door quietly and he said nothing, have we missed them? My ring piece we have!

All I’m saying is he will eventually get shot of the crap I mentioned so why not now?

Ok that was a bit of fantasy but as now the whole footballing world has realised our manager tells porkies, shifts the blame to whoever is nearest, doesn’t listen to his coaching or medical staff and has complete control over our board and football club, then I may as well move onto something else, being proved right eventually gets a bit boring, so I am now going to indulge my fantasies!

I would take Mourinhio, I really would, but Ancelotti would do, anyone would to be honest as long as it wasn’t Phil Brown, Sam Allardyce of anyone connected with Tottenham or David Beckham.

Bergkamp with Steve Bould would do it! There I go again, fantasising!

Barca/Madrid was funny last night, it took Cesc all of 4 months to turn into a nasty Spanish card waving at the ref tosser, way to go Cesc, I hope you feel at home. Who taught you that, or was it in your DNA?

Finally I watched Liverpool and Man City last night, not a kid amongst them, so what chance do we stand fielding them, it’s a waste of a cup the way we play it, good luck Cardiff!

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Have a great day Grover’s next up, Villa in the cup!

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  1. Robin's Choco Leg Special

    height at the back? i’d still be comfortable to play a line with the 1st eleven back 4.. If we’re playing stoke or blackburn away mertesaker would come in for koscielny…

    DM? I’m bored of that word…. if you play 3 in the middle who are intelligent and can interchange but have 2 who aren’t afraid to make tackles then if we have the majority of possession we shouldnt need a DM…

    I don’t believe montolivio is a sub standard am.. I’d rather have goetze but montolivio tick things over nicely and uses the flanks well and quickly when on the ball in the final 3rd.

    Gourcouff is another one but i’m bored of french hasbeens.

    Gervinho is useless but if you play a 4-3-3 we do you need direct wingers who attack fullbacks that can make chances on their own. Gervinho’s composure is a bit wayward, but i’ve seen enough to know he’s the best we’ve got at arsenal out wide and there’s no point giving up on him after 7 months regardless of how frustrating he is…

  2. nuudles

    __________Chezzer_____________
    Sagna_Kozzer_Tommy_Vertonghen
    ________M’Vila_Arteta___________
    ___________Jack_______________
    ____Hazard__RvP__Oxo_________

    Bench, from: Martinez, Flappy, Per, Santos, Gibbs, Miquel, Yennaris, Frimpong, Ramsey, Podolski, Gervinho, Campbell, Le Coq

    Better Gambon? Buying Vertonghen, M’Vila, Hazard & Podolski is a massive stretch for current management but those 4 changes & shipping out much of the deadwood would make us a serious contender.

  3. Liquor & Poker

    Rosicky and the Brady bunch (Squill, JD, Cham, Arsh, Park etc. . ) need to get as far away from Arsenal as possible. Agreed, Rosicky has shown a glimpse of two of appetite in the few games he has played this season! However, where has it been for the last 5 years! I do not understand the signing of Park in any way shape or form. AW clearly has zero confidence in his ability as he has so far this season still opted for Cham ahead of him. You then add to this the TH12 factor, if our sqaud at the start of the season was always going to be in need of a Striker come January due to African Nations . . . (& assuming Park was bought as a future prospect) does that suggest that Arsene has effectively been gambling on reuslts. Knowing he would need a Striker in January.! What if Henry wasnt available . . .would he have signed BIG or just fed us the line that the sqaud is sufficient (I.e. Theo can play there, OX can play there, Arsh can play there!!). As IMO, if Henry was good enough to sign temporarily and slot straight into the first team set up, then the argument is that he should have just made his move permanent!

  4. _Paul

    arsenal need to reinvest the money they have made in transfer profits soon or risk falling out of the champions league for a vey long time. The wingers at the moment dont score enough goals which they need to do in a 4-3-3 formaiton. The defence, midfield and strikers all need reinforcing too.I would sign: Shaqiri- 10 m
    kagawa – 15m
    podolski- 10m
    vertonghen – 10m
    Unlikely but he did say fantasy…

  5. Xagu

    Seriously I’d take Hazard, Gøtze, M’vila, Erickson, M . Fellah, H. Singh and hand whoever wants them Diaby Rosicky and Denilson free of charge just to take them of our wage bill!

    Scandinavian footballers are way underrated, and Arsenal obviously has a shit scouting network, because all of the scandinavians on this list could be had for peanuts had we acted.

  6. nuudles

    Jamal, Santos is not the best on defence, he has improved with time in that regard, but I rate him as quite dangerous when going forward. A lot of our attacking moves started with him when he was playing. Im not saying he is on Alves’ level but he is not bad. The goal against Chelsea was also a good one.

  7. The Joker

    Hey Le Grove,

    Enjoy reading the blog I have to admit, even if I don’t agree with everything you always say. Firstly, Arshavin is getting slaughtered. Lets not forget that we have not played him in his favoured #10 role just of the striker for us. Fr Russia and Zenit thats where he excelled but for us he’s always played on the wing. He doesn’t have the strength that Pires and Ljunberg had for us when they dominated our wings. i agree he looks dejected but thats not entirely his problem. maybe if he was played where his abilities would be best used we may see a different player. However, I think its gone beyond that now anyway, he must be sold in the summer. In terms of Wenger….there is noone I would personally want in charge. He loves our club, he with the crippled squad we have navigated us back into 4th before our recent blip. But how much is hi fault, and how much is it the players. Also, why do we have a God given right to be top 4 every year? under wenger we have to admit we were spoiled. We won countless trophies, he gave us Vieira, Henry, petit, overmars, anelka, gilberto, A Cole, Pires, Ljungberg, anelka…so many more. He also gave Bergkamp a platform to perform (I know Rioch brought him in, but he was pivitol for wenger) what i say, ok we are having a blip in our history…but keep the faith, support our team fully, love each individual and stop being overly pessimistic. i wonder if players read blogs, cos if they do it would be the worst mistake ever to read this one after a bad performance lol!
    theo and ramsey i agree are having absolute nightmares recently, i agree some of that blame must go to wenger over playing them, but if the arsenal team/wenger are fighting their own fans as well as the opposition and media then Arsenal have no chance!!!
    thats another thing, the media LOVE a good ol’ Arsenal disaster story, they love our club being dragged through the mud. We need to stem this by fighting the Arsenal corner when in debates with our friends and opposing fans,
    we may end up out of the CL this year, prepare for it. But we will bounce back one day. i personally think it will be with wenger as well.
    The day is darkest before the dawn, but the dawn is coming.

  8. Xagu

    John says:
    January 26, 2012 at 13:20

    Gambon stop being silly I should be banned from posting comments on here because I rate Diaby higher than Modric?

    No you should be banned because I think you’re too young to hear all the abusive language being directed at your shit for brains comments;-) We don’t want you to teach such language to other children now do we.

  9. irish gooner

    id sell walcott,he has pace which just about saves him from being useless,other than pace though all aspects of his game are sunderland level,laugh in his face when he wants 80k a week and show him the door,,,thats what id do

  10. Kurt F

    To all those who believe everything Wenger says is a cunning tactical ploy and comes from some mystical understanding of the game that we mere mortal supporters can’t possibly comprehend, I ask you to consider this question:

    Why in the summer did Wenger say: “Imagine the worst situation – we lose Fabregas and Nasri. You cannot convince people you are ambitious after that.”?

    Even if it was an attempt at some tactical ploy to make sure they got the most money possible for the players, there is no reason to mention the last sentence about ambition.

    For me the only explanation for this statement is that Wenger genuinely believed one or both of the players would stay. They didn’t.

    Surely even the most ardent AKB must concede that in this case Wenger clearly didn’t know best at all. In fact his statement suggests a dangerous disconnect between his perception of what’s going on at the club and what is actually happening.

  11. Thomas. it's up for grabs now...

    AC Gooner @ 12.16
    “I think the point is that all those profits from selling players went to reduce the stadium debt”
    ————————————————-

    No. The profit from player trading ended up in the profit and loss account and subsequently ended up as cash in the bank.

    The stadium debt is fixed. It is now standing at around 230m. This is been reduced over the next 20 years by fixed rate bond repayment. In 2011 we paid 13.5m interest (on the stadium bonds) and 5.6m of capital.

    In 2010 we paid 129.6m to totally clear our property debt and are now debt free in this area.

  12. Jimmythegun

    You’ve got me thinking now Pedro,

    If Diaby doesn’t like playing in ‘midfield’, where the f*ck did he suggest he prefers playing??!!

    He is the king of taking too many touches, he’d literally try and walk the ball in if he played up front…

  13. Josip Skoblar

    M’Vila is available (in June for sure) and no one is making a move for him. No one is even mentioning the lad anymore. I’ve been very impressed by him every time I’ve watched a France or a Rennes game. We could have him for £12-15M. Five years ago, Wenger would not have hesitated for a second to buy this type of player. He is no Diaby. He is strong and has versatile skills. What is he waiting for?…

  14. onbeingaminimum

    Diaby?! Are you joking?!

    The Diaby whose preference is to be injured rather than play?

    The Diaby who wants to join Spurs?

  15. Thomas. it's up for grabs now...

    SOME ARSENAL STATS 2006-2011
    Profit
    2006 – 15.8m
    2007 – 5.5m
    2008 – 36.6m
    2009 – 45.5m
    2010 – 55.9m
    2011 – 14.8m

    Cash in the bank
    2006 – 35.5m
    2007 – 73.8m
    2008 – 93.2m
    2009 – 99.6m
    2010 – 127.6m
    2011 – 160m

    Notice a trend?

  16. Xagu

    On the whole LB issue, Santos is not bad, I agree…

    The way Wenger employs LB’s on the other hand… that is highly suspect. I doubt any LB would perform to an acceptable level in that role over time.

    Because unless all of you are tactically inept as I serously doubt you all are. You have probably noticed Arsenal only plays with one actual fullback. Usually Sagna at RB. The LB is a wing back position, where I imagine the idea is that the LW is actually performing more of a SS role, looking for spaces, trying to cut into the middle all the while opening space for the LWB to come in on a overlap. This is where it usually gets hairy, because if we don’t have any end product to this maneuver… We’re fucked. Royaly so.

    In short until we change this glaring tactical flaw our LB’s will always be caught out, and we will continue to drop easy points, because since we lost Cole this move has been far more adventagious for our opponents than it has ever been for us.

    Wenger is a block head, and his football is found out! It is as simple as that. He has simply been found out.

  17. John

    Wenger will stay and should stay at Arsenal.

    Maybe we could do with a new number 2 Pat Rice is retiring at the end of the season hes our defensive coach

    Its funny we have always struggled at set pieces but we seem to have sorted that situation out with Mertesacker we looked alot stronger at defending set pieces.

    Been unlucky with the full backs. Kieran gibbs was coming into form he was brilliant at white hart lane

    Sagna was a loss but so was Jenkinson who was just settling in coming into some decent form. He had a great game vs West brom

  18. Bade

    Just tell me Grovers

    Did they know already who’s the bastard with the gun pointed to Geoff’s head, that forced him to set than line up?

  19. Bade

    Funny Diaby’s in the mix….

    Yeh yeh, when Diaby’s fit and in form and not acting like a stupid cunt hitting the opposition right in front of the ref, and if he’s nor having one of those odd games where he can’t manage to control a ball, well – he’s world class……

  20. Thomas. it's up for grabs now...

    What numpty said we can’t afford to let some players go as it will weaken the squad?

    Arsenal playing staff 2006 = 49 Players
    Arsenal playing staff 2011 = 70 Players

    Players available to Arsene Wenger after submitting his 25 (22) man squad to the PL = 52.

    If you ask how this is possible you have no place on this blog and should stick with Nickleodeon.

  21. Sir Henry Norris

    Nuudles/Rutu

    It turns out the Bayern Muchen mega-buck striker announcement due this arfo was a publicity stunt. lol

  22. incesc

    Omani defender Saad Al-Mukhaini has completed his trial at Arsenal. I’m told he didn’t impressed, and unlikely to be signed.

  23. Thomas. it's up for grabs now...

    Cash in the Bank at May 2011 = 160m

    Cash now = 180m… probably. (6 monthly due next month)

    Cash that will be in the bank at the end of the season if we don’t invest heavily in the next week = 200m…Probably

    Minimum cash in the bank Arsenal are obliged to maintain = 31.6m in a Debt Service Reserve account.

    And here’s an interesting one from the 2011 Annual Report.

    Borrowing facilities
    The Group had undrawn committed borrowing facilities at the balance sheet date, in respect of which all conditions precedent
    had been met, as follows 55M

    So ARSENAL are pre-approved for 55m if they need it. Add this to the available cash in the bank and that’s purchasing power many a manager would creaming themselves for.

  24. incesc

    also from twitter

    Arsenal once pulled this stupid trick Bayern Munich have today and pretended they’d signed a striker. His name was Marouane Chamakh.

  25. Xagu

    Yeah John I’m guessing you missed my point about the futility of Arsenal fullbacks…

    Jenkinson come good?
    Your Hypno Therapist wouldn’t happen to be a tall white haired guy with a french accent working out of the Emirates now would he???

    Think of the fact that we had an option on Bale but le Prof thought he wouldn’t cope. I don’t trust that man to judge the potential ability of Defenders any more than I would him to do my tax returns. Ok thats a lie I actually would let him do my tax returns, cus its not like I’m going too 😉

  26. John

    Carl Jenkinson is 19 years old. You dont think he will come good?

    Man Utd tried to sign Jenkinson at 16 but failed cause he got injured and had a massive growth spurt he was out of the radar for a while

    Koscielny? Vermaelen? Sagna? Poor defenders eh?

  27. Thomas. it's up for grabs now...

    And before the discussion starts on paying them in the future blah blah… cos I’m off now..

    Notwithstanding that the loss of the CL cash would certainly hurt..

    We are due approx 25m from the Queensland road project in next years accounts..

    There were strong hints in this last years report that we will see strong results in the commercial side. They said it was a 5 year plan. They (T Fox and crew) are now in their 3rd year. So we can ‘expect’ some significant gains in this area. I won’t even guess a figure for this.

    The stadium will break the 100m barrier this year. 3rd best in the world.

    The following year the major sponsorhip deals are up.. (Kit, Shirt) Expect big increases.. IF WE ARE A SUCCESSFUL TEAM entering negotiations..

    Holding onto the CL spot money and with these future revenue streams the future can be very bright..

  28. boozy

    I’m of the opinion that after the jews, the english are the most intelligent race on the planet. Then i read ACLF and UNTOLD.

  29. ardentgooner

    A hot, Spanish babe walks into a bar and sees Roman Abramovich having a drink with the chelsea team.

    She says to Frank Lampard – “Sign my arm .” So Frank signs her arm.
    She says to John Terry – “sign my tits.” So she takes off her top and John signs her tits.

    She then says to Roman Abrmaovich – “Sign my pussy.” She takes off her mini-skirt and panties but Abramovich stops her and says- “Fuck off. The last time I signed a Spanish cunt it cost me 50 million!

  30. ashvin

    boozy
    The posts are good at aclf.But the people in the comments are extremely deluded.As for Untold this article- ‘Is wenger planning to bankrupt Barca?’ came up and the worst part is that some people actually praised him for the article.

  31. Bennydevito

    John, you’re new on here aren’t you? Generally speaking if you are considered a staunch AKB by Gambon and a few others you will be banned. It happens all the time. Whenever a newbie comes on and dares to have a differring opinion to the doom and gloom they normally get ganged up on, abused and then banned.

    Modric is massively overated, Wilshere is head and shoulders above him already.

  32. kmac

    Diaby simply doesn’t work hard enough even when fit. This is the same for a lot of our players. They are sent out to play like Barcelona without the added instruction to charge around like a lunatic to get the ball back if they lose it. As for selling the dead wood, who’s going to buy them. No-one came in for Bendtner or Denilson in the summer. Bendtner has hardly enhanced his reputation. He’s been banged up more than he’s banged in and every time I hear of Denilson it’s because he’s been red carded.We have a lot of future potential in youngsters Sez, Kos, le Coq, Frimpong, Ox, Rambo and Wilshire…just maybe time for a manager who can combine flair with industry and a winning mentality. If you want to know how important the last two are, just ask Fergie, he won the league with the worst Manure team in decades.

  33. ashvin

    John
    30 m on a good winger would make us a much better team.That way walcott can come off the bench after exactly 67 mins to run at defences.But i expect u don’t want us to spend that much.

  34. Bade

    There were (and still are) some blind AKB’s on here

    Somehow they dwindle, or just vanish, not banned.

    They seem to lose grounds and arguments then run away like cowards

  35. Joppa Road

    I’ve not said much today. I will say however that Modric is a top quality player. To say otherwise is just silly.

  36. nuudles

    John, dont be daft. No one is suggesting we pay £50m for Modric, we have Jack so I see no need for Modric.

    Hazard, Podolski (should have been Reus but we were asleeep as usual, or maybe Ba), M’vila & Vertonghen for £35m, £15m, £20m & £15m respectively. Then we are over the alloted number of non-homegrown players and we need to trim down the wage bill so sell Arsh, Chamakh, Squid & Almunia to start off with. Probably a net spend of £65-70m depending on what we get for that lot.

    Will not happen but if it did we would be almost guaranteed top 4 spot.

  37. Martin Hayes Never Missed

    I dont think its like that Benny, people just try to talk some sense and educate those that are clearly less informed.

    For at least 3 years Ive been on Untold and ACLF and asked the same question to various AKBs…

    what does Arsene Wenger currently bring to this team and our club?

    No-one an give an answer except talk about things he did in the 90s or when he built the stadium with his bare hands!

  38. Xagu

    John says:
    January 26, 2012 at 14:06

    Carl Jenkinson is 19 years old. You dont think he will come good?

    Man Utd tried to sign Jenkinson at 16 but failed cause he got injured and had a massive growth spurt he was out of the radar for a while

    Koscielny? Vermaelen? Sagna? Poor defenders eh?

    Again I see you have still not seen the post about the futility of our defending, see above 13. 47

    I’ll admit Sagna is a world class defender, he is shit coming forward, but he is a class defender. Kos we’ll see. Still Guarantee you there were better available options and still is. Kos is the cheap option, so was Verm when he came. If you are willing to waste a year of progress on having players adapt to style pace and so forth then fine do that, but we don’t and since Kolo went we have not had any form of unity at the back. Individually we can do better, Cahill would have been better. Samba the same, why? Because you can play them the next week after purchase.There is never any guarantee a foreign player will settle, and the pitfall is even greater at Arsenal because of the incomprehensible way we play defense.(Again see post above).

    Penultimately; Sagna is the shit I agree… Jenkinson will have to come good, same as with AOC and previously Walcott, the fall from grace should they not, is quite simply not an option for Wenger, so he will play them until they do get good, no matter the cost. You should know this, he has done so before (Ref last 10 years).
    The same can very much be said about Kos and Verm, since Gallas went we simply had noone else, and whoever we used instead of Verm just made Verm look all the sweeter. It is a continuing spiral of shit! I just cannot understand how you keep falling for it?!

  39. IvoryGoonz

    John: just to let you know.
    I’m quite busy right now at work, so I don’t have the time to go through all the AKB stuff you post. But be sure I’ll do that once I’m home…
    Is Will*Bill* back or what?

  40. Azed

    Bennydevito says:
    January 26, 2012 at 14:17

    John, you’re new on here aren’t you? Generally speaking if you are considered a staunch AKB by Gambon and a few others you will be banned. It happens all the time. Whenever a newbie comes on and dares to have a differring opinion to the doom and gloom they normally get ganged up on, abused and then banned.

    Modric is massively overated, Wilshere is head and shoulders above him already.
    ————————————————————————————————–
    Just like Denilshite, Diaby and Vela are world class players?

  41. arsenal4ever

    when will these AKB admit Wenger has to go in summer if not top4 finish is secured? I think never. Clueless idiots. Hope they will move with Wenger to his new club. Love Arsenal, hate Wenger!!!

  42. nuudles

    Xagu, I couldnt care less if our whole back 4 dont ever score a goal as long as they do their job (i.e. let in as few goals as possible).

    To say that Kozzer is rubbish is idiocy. Easily our best CB and easily in the top 5 CBs in the PL. Yes he struggles a bit with winning balls in the air, so against Stoke I would play Per but against any proper football team I cannot think of a better CB. Or would you rather have Luiz, yes he will score a lovely goal every 10-15th game like against ManU last year but he is a liability on defence.

    A fit Sagna would make my top 5 RB list, not only in the PL but in the whole world. Micah and maybe Sergio Ramos are the only fullbacks who I can think of who can defend properly AND who represent a real threat going forward.

    And I am sorry but Samba and Cahill as you suggest cannot hold a candle to Koz & Vermaelen.

  43. Herkules

    Gentlemen please – I enjoy the creative banter and want to see some changes as much as everyone else – but let’s please stop pretending that we understand the bank balances or cash reserves or precise financial state of either ours or any other club.

    Besides, I suspect the number one issue isn’t really cash anyhow but rather cash-flow, specifically the principal that they don’t want to spend more money per week than they take in.

  44. gambon

    Lol,

    Well Podolski would be £12m and we dont need Modric.

    What a surpise to see an AKB cunt making pathetic statements as they now have nothing to defend.

    If you include the dross we need rid of (Denilson, Diaby, Squillaci, Djourou, Arshavin, Vela, Bendtner, Chamakh, Park, Gibbs, Almunia, Fabianski, Walcott) we could go and buy:

    – Hazard
    – Cavani
    – MVila
    – Hamsik
    – Hummells

    Or to put it into context, with the kind of money we can spend we couldve bought:

    – Silva
    – Toure
    – Mata
    – Vidic
    – Kompany

  45. arsenal4ever

    @ gambon says:
    January 26, 2012 at 14:38

    fully agree. Alone the wages for our injury prone and overrated players are a fukking joke. Did Diaby had one injury free season yet?

  46. Martin Hayes Never Missed

    Xagu – You know Marcus Berg – Swedish forward who I think is at Hamburg. Very underated in my opinion….

  47. frenchie

    gambon-

    we could have had yaya on the cheap had ogl not been so concerned about killing careers, like diaby’s. ironic how things have developed.

  48. nuudles

    Neither Kos nor Vermaelen were really “cheap” options as you suggest. If I remember correctly they were both roundabout £10m, and apart from idiotic deals like Luiz and the current established world class CBs like Vidic, Lucio, Thiago Silva & Pique that was the going rate at the time for a top CB.

  49. Martin Hayes Never Missed

    Gambon – don’t be silly…if we’d have got Vidic before Manure, that would have killed Djourous development!

  50. Xagu

    nuudles says:
    January 26, 2012 at 14:37

    Xagu, I couldnt care less if our whole back 4 dont ever score a goal as long as they do their job (i.e. let in as few goals as possible).

    To say that Kozzer is rubbish is idiocy. Easily our best CB and easily in the top 5 CBs in the PL. Yes he struggles a bit with winning balls in the air, so against Stoke I would play Per but against any proper football team I cannot think of a better CB. Or would you rather have Luiz, yes he will score a lovely goal every 10-15th game like against ManU last year but he is a liability on defence.

    A fit Sagna would make my top 5 RB list, not only in the PL but in the whole world. Micah and maybe Sergio Ramos are the only fullbacks who I can think of who can defend properly AND who represent a real threat going forward.

    And I am sorry but Samba and Cahill as you suggest cannot hold a candle to Koz & Vermaelen.

    I never said Koz was rubbish I said he’d need at least a season to perform to acceptable standards and even then I’d gladly take Hangeland or someone like him over Koz anyday.

    I said WE tend to overrate koz & Verm because of the lack of better alternatives, to say any of them is world class is downright stupid. Take that with your nuuudles.

  51. nuudles

    gambon, our biggest crime of 2011 was missing out on Mata, more than not getting a CF, more than not keeping Cesc, more than not selling Chamakh when we had the opportunity

  52. Xagu

    Xagu – You know Marcus Berg – Swedish forward who I think is at Hamburg. Very underated in my opinion…

    Isn’t he a bit on .. off

    I seem to recall him scoring a couple of sneaky tap ins though, I can’t say I know that much about him, but I do know both Swedish Danish, Norwegian and Icelandic players are top notch on physicallity and agression though and that is something we sorely lack on top.

  53. midlandgunner

    just been thinking about tuesday transfer deadline day surely a complete waste of time and money for sky sports news to send reporters down to the emirates for the day

  54. Xagu

    Niklas Bendner is the exception that proves the rule Jamal!

    No Danish, Swedish or Norwegian club ever even looked at him, he won a goddamn television talents contest, because he could keep the ball in the air using just his feet through an entire shopping mall. Fun to watch but not exactly the thing our coach should be looking for, wouldn’t you agree?!

  55. nuudles

    Xagu, I concede that we tend to overrate them because of the lack of alternatives.

    I dont think Vermaelen is quite world class, and Kozzer also not there yet (and I didnt say he was, I said he is top 5 in the PL in my book). Current world class CBs in my book (in no order): Kompany, Vidic, Thiago Silva, Hummels, Pique and that is it.

    They are all better in the air than Kozzer, but in my book he is better on the ground and faster than any of them. Yes he still makes mistakes but his raw pace means he normally recovers from the errors. Also only Vidic has the same hunger to win the ball as Kozzer.

    I read that the coaches at Arsenal said from day 1 that Kozzer is the real deal. I know they have made many mistakes but I also think he is the one.

    If stats is your thing his tackle completion rate is highest of any player in the PL for the current season. Considering that of late other teams attack us much more (and therefore he has to make a lot more tackles) than say ManCity and that says a lot. I also remember reading that in his last season in France (yes he played in an inferior league, but still) his tackles won vs tackles attempted was 100% which is phenomenal.

    I love his never say die attitude and if I was manager he would be the first player I pick regardless of the CBs I had at my disposal.

  56. Xagu

    DaleDaGooner says:
    January 26, 2012 at 14:57

    IvoryGoonz and Paul Kagame (Rwanda President) are the same, both are dictators who want Arsene out!

    EY! Ixney on the Dixtatorsay ey?

  57. Martin Hayes Never Missed

    Birmingham was his level..

    I live in Sweden and watch the football here – there are no real prospects I can see to be honest. Nothing different, that couldnt be picked up in the Championship or from Swansea, Wolves etc..

  58. Xagu

    nuudles says:
    January 26, 2012 at 14:59

    I love his never say die attitude and if I was manager he would be the first player I pick regardless of the CBs I had at my disposal

    That is your prerogative, I on the other hand would have a long f…. list ahead of him could I have it my way.

  59. Dan Ahern (@topical_storm)

    I’m not even convinced Diaby EXISTS anymore. More likely he was mercy-killed after his 400th injury, and the club keep his name on the books to pocket his wages and have another excuse not to buy.

    Second theory: he’s the best con man ever. He learned football and rose through the ranks, all the while studying Wenger and knowing all the traits he liked, and therefore knowing how to train and develop. At long last he was bought, became a favorite of the boss, and slowly starting faking injuries because hey, con men make money by NOT working. Eventually he got so good that he doesn’t even need to play anymore. He can just convince Wenger that he’s hurt year-round and collect his cheques. He’s probably sitting on a beach in Fiji right now, phoning in a phony report that he’s doing some new-age volcano pumice joint therapy.

  60. nuudles

    Dale, Xagu is, but as he says everyone is entitled to their own opinion (might I mention then that he is wrong? 🙂 )

    The think about Kozzer is he is not good in the air and he is not good at organising the defence, but put him with someone like Tommy or Per who can do those things and he shines.

  61. Xagu

    Dan Ahern (@topical_storm) says:
    January 26, 2012 at 15:04

    Yeah I’d agree with that assesment, Diaby is “Winston Bogarde-ing” us as a mothaf…a!

  62. The Prophet

    Dear John (I could not resist)…..I must be honest, I hear what you are saying and you pose some really good arguments (I think you managed to get everyone talking to you today), but when it comes to Diaby…..it would be easier to see his class if he actually played.

    To see is to believe.

    And Diaby was part to blame for us losing points to NCastle….it makes it MUCH easier to win when you have 11 men on the field (unless you’re united when they generally have 12 – Howard Webb etc).

    If we had some world class players like we did in the past, then it would be easier to sell tickets, attract commercial revenue (sponsors, TV deals etc) and a lot more people will accept the higher ticket prices.
    Think of it this way, would you spend 50 quid on watching a musical on broadway or your 11 year old nephew doing Jesus Christ Superstar?

    And on top of that, would you be happy paying 50 quid every year for the last 7 years watching a worse performance of Jesus Christ Superstar?

    Hope you now understand our point and where we are coming from.
    It isn’t just a Diaby issue…it is a lot more than that.

  63. Xagu

    nuudles says:
    January 26, 2012 at 15:06

    Dale, Xagu is, but as he says everyone is entitled to their own opinion (might I mention then that he is wrong? 🙂 )

    The think about Kozzer is he is not good in the air and he is not good at organising the defence, but put him with someone like Tommy or Per who can do those things and he shines.

    Yeah nuuudles you pretty much summed up my qualms about him quite nicely right there. I on the other hand would prefer to calm dudes at the same time, kind of like Keown and Adams. And I would ban them from ever doing those dimwitted runs with the ball up the middle, and I’d shoot Per as soon as he crossed the damn halfway line.

  64. Arsene's Nurse

    Arsenal have £160 million in the bank right now. About £50 million available in the TPA.

    Wages are £130 million and when everything is taken into account it costs £160 million to “run” AFC.

    At the start of any season AFC need about £60 million in the bank as cash to pay for wages etc. As the season progresses money comes in from season tickets, tickets, merchandise sponsorship, property and pre-season player sales etc etc. At the end of the season AFC make a profit.

    It is estimated that at the end of this year without player sales AFC will have £200 million cash in the bank after debt is serviced etc.

    RVP and Walnutt are likely to leave so can be sold for £40-50 million. (Kenny went mad and bought walnutt)

    So that’s £250 million cash.

    The dross (about 12 players) are sold off cutting the wage bill by at least £40-50 million per year but also increasing the coffers by another £30 million plus.

    So that’s £280 million cash.

    So yeah we’ve got no money to spend in the summer. /rolleyes.

    AFC could easily buy 3 world class players (25-30 million) and pay them £150k p/w and still have money to spend replacing the likes of Diaby and Gibbs.

  65. Xagu

    Lurchlerouge says:
    January 26, 2012 at 15:17

    Kozzer is awesome. Fact

    Fact is you should stop watching just Arsenal games… Slightly above average PL standard IMO.

  66. Xagu

    Both Senderos, Cygan, Eboue and a few others got more games than they should have. And I don’t mean we should never have played them, I’m saying we should never have thrown them in the deep end as Wenger is and has been doing to defenders since as long as I can remember, just as he is doing to Miquel now.

    Overuse of a “talented” player tends to kill of the talent.

  67. ashvin

    Wilshere is as good as modric and could become better.He’ll be a fixture in the team for another 10 years atleast.However Ramsey seems to have regressed.He looked superb before his injury.He has been unfairly asked to play the ‘cesc role’ on his return from injury.I have a feeling he’ll come good next season.It would have been better if we had signed someone like mata so ramsey could quietly regain his form.

  68. ashvin

    Podolski will cost more than 12m.We should try to get him though.
    Xagu
    Kozzer is one of the best defenders in the league.

  69. Lurchlerouge

    Fact is you should stop watching just Arsenal games… Slightly above average PL standard IMO.

    Presumptuous and non sensical. Your opinions worth shit new boy till you establish some credibility so perhaps some manners are in order until that time arrives?

  70. Xagu

    ashvin says:
    January 26, 2012 at 15:29

    Wilshere is as good as modric and could become better.He’ll be a fixture in the team for another 10 years atleast.However Ramsey seems to have regressed.He looked superb before his injury.He has been unfairly asked to play the ‘cesc role’ on his return from injury.I have a feeling he’ll come good next season.It would have been better if we had signed someone like mata so ramsey could quietly regain his form.

    Don’t think Mata would do for that role, but I agree with your point though. I would much rather have Fellaini for an example. Free up Song, Arteta Ramsey and Wilshire…

  71. AC Gooner

    Thomas. it’s up for grabs now… at 13:40

    Thanks for the clarification.

    But regardless of whether we look at it as total debt or net debt, the club can now afford to spend a lot more than they did in the past few years. And I think we should.

    But the board is comprised of a bunch of old, conservative bankers who dont like to have a lot of debt on the balance sheet.

    We just need to add in a few top players. Oh dear, said that so many times already.

  72. dennisdamenace

    You know i have ONE major worry about Arsene finally leaving.

    The fact is we have a bunch of self-serving, clueless clowns in charge. We don’t have a David Dein amongst this lot, someone who can recruit the right person for Arsenal FOOTBALL Club.

    Be clear though, this alone is not enough for me to want the has bean to stay.

  73. Henry14

    Bank balance aside – Arsenal have combined the second richest owners in world football.

    Usmanov is only behind Man City owners in wealth and Kronke is also worth £2Billion.

    If the board really wanted to they could pump £100M into the club for players – regardless of any of our other revenue streams.

    They don’t because they don’t give a shit about the club and only care about the profits – which we all know.

    Kronke will be forced into getting rid of the insane french serial loser at some stage in the next 12 – 18months.

    We will have lost 10 – 12 games by the end of this season – which is sackable in my view but it is all going to be down to attendances.

    he only got rid of the rams coach because attendance was down nearly 50% and he had no choice.

    In my view Kronke is the worst thing to happen to arsenal football club.

  74. dennisdamenace

    EIGHT fucking defeats from 22 games……

    Shocking, truly fucking shocking for a club with the sort of resources it has at it’s disposal….

  75. Dan Ahern (@topical_storm)

    Yeah, so um, back to commenting on the post.
    Obviously Diaby’s just a dream–a sweet memory of something that could’ve been, but doesn’t actually exist.
    But aside from him, I think Geoff’s fantasy lineup is actually quite realistic. That’s the default best lineup we have. Only thing that will be different is Theo will keep starting for no good reason. And as mentioned by countless others, Song for Diaby. I actually kind of like the base of Song and Arteta staying deeper so JW can do his thing. That should be what happens, with Ramsey subbing for JW while he gains match fitness, and then rotating in here and there.
    As for the Ox… sigh, I think he’s doomed to the impact sub role for a while. But thank got he indeed makes and impact, unlike Yossi, Rosicky, Arshavin, etc. I’m really hoping he eventually steals the starter role, because if I’m honest I think Theo’s a dangerous player, but not near starting quality for whatever reason. He’s just much better playing 20 mins than 90.

  76. arsenal tom

    Wenger isn’t going anywhere till his contracts up, he wont quit the easiest job in football and the board are too gutless to sack him.

    this summer will go exactly like the last… loose our best player replace with a far lesser player then moan about everyone else doing exactly what he should be – buying top players.

  77. dennisdamenace

    H14 – Likely defeats, and i’m trying to be objective here!

    Bolton away
    Sunderland away
    Spudz at home
    Liverpool away
    Newcastle at home
    Man City at home
    Chavs at home
    Stoke away

    Bravado aside, who is really confident that we could win in any of these games?

  78. arsenal tom

    henry… and thats just the league mate, we’ll definitely loose at least once more in the CL, and go out of the FA cup at some point.

    none of

    sunderland away
    spurs home
    liverpool away
    chelsea home
    city home
    everton away

    look like much fun

  79. Lurchlerouge

    DDM

    Yup there’ll be a vacuum alright.

    It’s a shit situation and AWs got the owner by the balls. Any top manager capable of dealing with executive decision Ie director of football will want his own team, from physio up to assistant.

    Can the club afford to 1. Pay AW out of his contract 2.hire a top manager & team and still have cash for players? Likely not.

    So they opt for a younger less experienced coach and IG becomes director of football? To fit within budget by using existing bods and still afford players?

    Not great is it.

  80. dennisdamenace

    Lurch – Usmanov has the money, and probably has the inclination/desire to….

    This syrup wearling sceptic tank has no real interest in Arsenal FC.

    His only interest is in a “manager” who turns a profit for him.

  81. dennisdamenace

    I hope that the LA Dodgers purchase bleeds the cunt dry, and he’s forced to sell AFC to cover his boney fucking arse.

  82. arsenal tom

    DDM – bonjourno… and with the stadium being such a massive cash cow and gazidis’ new boys doing some deals that unlikely.

    the CL thing may be a factor but he’s got his “we cannot compete with other clubs who have unlimited resources” bullshit excuse ready to go.

    Plus stan is in this for the long haul, he’ll wait till the debts paid off which he wont have to do himself and as long as we’re in and around the top4 still he can then sell the club for another few hundred million more than he brought it for… easy money really.

  83. goonerDNA

    Fact is you should stop watching just Arsenal games… Slightly above average PL standard IMO.

    LOL PL defending is the best in the world so that makes Kozzer pretty fucking good

  84. arsenal tom

    ddm… true, but its also what i honestly see our future as being.

    Wenger’s happy as long as no one fucks with his football team and the rest of em are happy as long as no one fucks with the profits or affects their annual bonus. win win for them, loose loose for the fans.

  85. AC Gooner

    Dan Ahern at 16:01

    I agree 100%

    If there is one little wish that AW could easily fulfill for us, without spending a penny, and immensely improve the squad…

    then that is…

    start the Ox and only bring on Theo when the other team is run ragged. then his strengths really blossom.

  86. Joppa Road

    Is it worth any of us actually putting a lot of this down on paper in a letter to AFC – just to see the response we would get? I remember being at the game when Wrighty got the goal scoring record at Highbury. I was in the East Stand that day but behind a post.

    When I got hope I wrote to Arsenal telling them about the wisdom of moving to a new stadium and did they realise the potential the club had! In fairness I got a response from PH Wood with in a week.

    I volunteer to draft the letter.

    Thoughts?

  87. Sir Henry Norris

    Gambon

    Poldolski game would not flourish in the English premier. Rather the potential signing of Matias Suarez for half the fee and half the wages.

    We tried to buy M’villa in the summer his club refused to sell.
    Cavani (aledgedly) has a 30m+ release clause is he over 3 times better that the Argentinian player I named above.

    I’m pretty sure we were ok for center backs when Vidic was available although i believe we were trailing him first.

    Yaya, Wenger conceeded that he got this one wrong. He got Ronaldo right but we where guzzumped by the same team that beat us to Vidic.

    Mata = Greedy little shit
    Hamsik, come on, think about it
    Hummels superb player your at devouring best part of 25m for his services.

    We have gone over this Hazard thing before his club ain’t selling and who is to say when they do we won’t try to buy him?

    Of course we can all dream, Wenger dreams of signing Neymar who is valued inexcess of 35m. If Wenger really has that kind of money why don’t you think he will not bid for him?

    Wages has become more of a issue over the last 6 years, – Think Henry 10m golden-hand-shake, and Cesc 5m+ signing on fee when he extended his contract. – The Board are not speculators and have sometime ago taken the decision to use the surplus as a fail-safe against the Stadium and the ecconomic downturn.

    The need to strengthen the squad is glaring but as a man once said “It’s not a supermaket” [transfer window]

  88. miki dora

    I’ve just read all of John’s comments.

    Some absolute crackers in their John. Nice one.

    Nice. One.

    Diaby aside and the fact that he’s utter shit your point about Jenkinson blew my mind. I’m reeling from your insight.

  89. AC Gooner

    Henry14 at 15:53

    If I remember correctly, Usmanov offered to inject 100m into the club to pay for top players.

    but, there was one condition: it should go into the club as a capital increase and any other shareholder not contributing their share would be diluted.

    As 100m for Usi is chump change, and he would gladly own more of Arsenal than his 29.9999%, he can easily offer this.

    The trouble is the other shareholders:

    They dont have loose change like that.
    They dont want him owning any more of AFC.

    When you got two billionaires owning different percentages, none of them is just going to hand over some money to the club. If Usi does that without demanding more shares, then his money just goes to increasing the value of Kroenke’s share package.

  90. dennisdamenace

    Wages have indeed become more of an issue recently, so why the fuck are we then paying a man, who has won NOTHING for the past six going on seven years, £135,000 a week?

    Won’t pay Mata £100,000 a week, but we can keep on paying £135,000 a week for failure…..

  91. Lurchlerouge

    Not sure Atom,

    I’ve the suspicion SKE are acquiring franchises with a view to bundling sports products into their own online channel when it all goes that way.

    They’ve seen the writing on the wall, there’s more revenue to be made eventually through merch and broadcast rights with an expanded global Market so their amassing content. Economies of scale in distribution etc….

    Which if you think about it is DOOMier than fattening us up for eventual sale.

  92. dennisdamenace

    Do you really think Abramovic is a real Chav??

    No, of course he isn’t, but what he is, is a winner.

    Usmanov is the same.

    I’d take a little of that at my club over the self-serving close-but-not-cigar brigade….

  93. Joppa Road

    DDM but the board don’t see that £135k pw failure as long as the stadium is being paid off and everyone is taking a nice salary.

    Where Arsenal finish isn’t important to them. They know there are fans in the wings waiting to step in blindly.