So Arsenal fans… are you going to protest?

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You can’t hide from it, people are talking about it all over the web, in comment sections, on twitter… it’s the planned demonstration planned by Where has our Arsenal gone (WHOAG). It’s happening at 1430 on the 15th of May before the Aston Villa game. At the moment, rumours are that 200 or so Arsenal fans are going to meet, don black scarves and wander up to the ground to make a statement of dissatisfaction against the club.

I recently wrote that I’m not a fan of protest and pop up action groups. I still stand by that but what I am a fan of is people who actually want to do something. I’m a fan of supporters joining together to do something they see as for the better of the club and I’m a fan of giving everyone the choice to make a rational decision on whether they want to join.

From what I can gather, they are in the main marching against the increase in season ticket pricing. The group are not a collection of post 1996 Arsenal fans, they are in fact the opposite. Many of them have been season ticket holders since the 70’s, they’ve seen the dark days of Arsenal football club, they’re members of the AST and AISA but they want to take things into their own hands to let the club know they’re not happy about the way things are going.

Some of their ideas are very fair. They want the club to recognise that increasing the cost of season tickets is hitting fans hard, they want to offer the chance for fans to downgrade their seats, they want the club to allow fans the chance to have a season ticket holiday for a year, they want the away fans to be moved into the upper tier into the more expensive areas so there are more affordable seats for the faithful.

A protest about season ticket pricing makes absolute sense to me and that is a cause I’d absolutely back.

The trouble from where I’m sitting is the press release about the march lacks direction and clear objectives. They veer off into areas like commercial activity, corporate fan slagging, the manager’s lack of spending and sacking the Chairman. All debatable points on their own, but all they do for me is add confusion to the situation and they muddy the water.

A protest needs goals and objectives. If no one is exactly sure about what they’re protesting about, you allow the rest of the web to make snap assumptions. Many people are calling it a ‘Wenger out’ protest. Le Grove has dealt with people who make assumptions about our site without reading it and I fear that what is essentially a good willed movement is being tarnished by the very vocal and aggressive AKB.

This is the problem with new groups, it’s very hard to create an organisation when no one is fronting the group. I tried to contact them via their twitter account last night for a few words and I’ve heard nothing. That’s why my preference is go through more official channels like the AST. You know every statement made by them is carefully researched and rational. The AST wrote an e-mail to Ivan Gazidis the day after they found out about the potential hike in season ticket prices way back in February. Do you think it’s a coincidence the club has waited so long to announce regular season ticket increases?

I don’t like the factions that have been created at Arsenal this season, it’s really sad that we can’t all get along. It’s sad that fans are tearing lumps out of each other in the ground and it’s sad that groups like WHOAG have to set up in the first place. I won’t be joining any protest until there is more clarity around exactly what the goal of it is supposed to be but I do admire that a group of Arsenal fans are willing to take their grievances to the street and make a public point to the club.

What I’ve done is join the AST. I’ll be filling out the end of season questionnaire which goes directly to the board. I’ll then be attending the AST Ivan Gazidis meeting (June 13th) where he’ll take questions uncensored for an hour and a half from anyone who is a member. For all the criticism the club receives, there aren’t many CEO’s that would put themselves through such an ordeal.

We may have lost out way on the pitch this season but I strongly believe the club tries its best to involve the fans every step of the way. Globalisation of football is inevitable… if you want tradition, you’ll have to find another sport. For all the eulogizing about the game way back when… you did get what you paid for. Terracing was fun, but football violence wasn’t. Paying a tuppence for a ticket was value for money, seeing people throw bananas at black players was not. Knowing that you were likely to see your favourite players down the local after was nice… but seeing the power, pace and skill we have now is far more enjoyable.

Hopefully when Ivan Gazidis takes his hot seat in June, he’ll have snapped up a decent player and the fans will feel somewhat appeased. At the core of it, we all want what’s best for the club, we all want to be optimistic and we all want to feel our club is trying its hardest to be the best that it can be.

This summer is the chance for the club to unite the fans again, I just hope Stan understands that sentiment.

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  1. SUGA3

    BHN,

    as far as I am concerned, it’s the manager’s fault all the way:

    – poor selections
    – poor tactics
    – poor subs
    – poor motivation skills
    – not strengthening the team despite it being so damn obvious: poor show

    can you see the common denominator of these points?

  2. ice

    No new news today then…..

    I have to say all this speculating on possible in-coming players is a waste of time as nothing can be decided until the manager is given the board’s undying support or a new boss is lined up (without a doubt now though a succession plan has been discussed with a dutch-spin). Don’t expect any quick moves unless Arsene makes the first move by falling on his sword though….with June most likely the decisive month. Expect the new boss to bring in 3 or 4 of his own players. Fabregas and Nasri are unlikely to have enough of the “champion” trait to impress the manager being mooted and will be gone before the Underhill game in July. Exciting times ahead…..

  3. David

    Well Black Ninja,

    I understand that this looking at teams below us thing is an automated attribute of the glass half full view of life (allegedly) and in some ways owing to good upbringing being grateful for what you have mentality.

    That speaks well of you it does.

    But may I encourage you to look up every now and then.

    Go outside, go for a walk in the evening with a special someone and invite them to look up.

    I bet your chances of “success” would be infinitely higher.

  4. tiarnan

    And if we would like to use another Irishmans wise words “Shallow are those that CANNOT judge a book by its cover…” (Oscar Wilde)

    I would then refer anyone to the pravda website http://www.arsenal.com

    And look at Djourous head….(or facial expression)

    If I photoshopped – “Duhhhhhhhh….” in a speech bubble above his head, would it look out of place?

    Would it fuck.

    He really is the poster boy for Arsenal.

    Looks lethargic, soft as fuck, no intensity, no will win to win, no yelling, no screaming, no organisation – just a fuckwitted expression that hides his shock of being paid £000s for playing football.

    A toblerone would have given us more protection on Sunday; the Swiss shitehawk.

    Remember Martin Keown? An ugly fuck, but at least there was intensity. He could crack a cocnut with half a fuckin headbutt.

  5. Black Hand Ninja

    SUGA3 says:
    April 26, 2011 at 18:34

    it’s really simple:

    accepting failure and giving the culprits endless chances = big dent in morale and motivation not only in cases of these bad apples (why would they want to improve, etc.), but also the genuinely good and motivated ones…

    impeccable work ethic is an extremely rare commodity and even this can only last for the finite period of time, y’know what I’m saying?

    —————————————————–

    I agree. Also, work ethic without belief, intelligence and wisdom will be in vain.

    I don’t think that Wenger should have said what he said about finishing 2nd place for the next 20 years, it sent out the wrong message. He obviously doesn’t want to pressure the players, but I think perhaps he needs to be more intuitive with the players he is dealing with and respond to them as such. His man-management skills must be at an optimum, and if not, then surely his coaching staff should be helping in this particular area.

  6. Evan

    Afternoon

    Playing Bendtner full stop is not productive. Second rate piece of crap. The best bit about Bendtner is Wenger believes he is a top striker, so good that he plays him on the wing?

    Wenger know nothing about defense its painfully obvious

  7. SUGA3

    BHN,

    well, perhaps it’s about time someone pressured them? unless you count ‘not being allowed to ski’ (Aryan Pele) as sacrifice, it’s not like they are sacrificing themselves for the suffering millions, is it?

    and there are players that never even stood next to a player with enough belief, intelligence and wisdom, forget about them having these traits themselves!

    there are plenty of players that seem to be lacking the most basic skills, like being able to trap the ball, and you want to TRAIN them?

  8. Black Hand Ninja

    David says:
    April 26, 2011 at 18:42

    Well Black Ninja,

    I understand that this looking at teams below us thing is an automated attribute of the glass half full view of life (allegedly) and in some ways owing to good upbringing being grateful for what you have mentality.

    That speaks well of you it does.

    But may I encourage you to look up every now and then.

    Go outside, go for a walk in the evening with a special someone and invite them to look up.

    I bet your chances of “success” would be infinitely higher.

    —————————————————–

    Oh believe me, by no means should we settle for second. That’s not what I’m saying.

    I believe that we should be happy with what we have, while always looking to improve on that. If we are always unhappy with our lot in life, we will make ourselves ill with stress (quite like how Arsene is looking at the moment lol), and life will not be as enjoyable as it perhaps should be. People associate life with pain and wonder why they encounter pain often.

    And Arsenal need to do the same: look to improve, but upon the foundation of what you currently have.

  9. David

    I also find it very odd and very weird that anyones’ measure of relative success is looking at teams below us.

    For example a team like Crystal Palace who is indeed aforementioned whose record breaking transfer fee is
    2 and a half million it posses the question…

    Do you have to go THAT low just to say that Arsenal FC is not doing THAT bad?

  10. tiarnan

    Fuck me did anyone see Arsene Wengers latest quote?

    “History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce.”

    Oh no wait.

    That was Karl Marx.

    The socialist scumbag who wrote works detailing how a class struggle was necessary to alleviate the struggles of the poor, but in fact, these works were funded by elitist bankers such as the Rothschilds so they could create Communist tyrranies where the middle class were wiped out and all the wealth transferred intro the hands of the few.

    I’m always getting Comrade Wenger & Karl Marx confused.

  11. David

    Black Hand Ninja says:
    April 26, 2011 at 18:52
    David says:
    April 26, 2011 at 18:42

    And Arsenal need to do the same: look to improve, but upon the foundation of what you currently have

    ——————————————-

    Agreed! Very well said!

    Which is why its absolutely BAFFLING that with this sort of thinking you turn around and say youre “Keeping Faith” with Wenger.

    Salt Water and Fresh Water cannot come out of the same spring.

  12. Black Hand Ninja

    SUGA3 says:
    April 26, 2011 at 18:50

    BHN,

    well, perhaps it’s about time someone pressured them? unless you count ‘not being allowed to ski’ (Aryan Pele) as sacrifice, it’s not like they are sacrificing themselves for the suffering millions, is it?

    and there are players that never even stood next to a player with enough belief, intelligence and wisdom, forget about them having these traits themselves!

    there are plenty of players that seem to be lacking the most basic skills, like being able to trap the ball, and you want to TRAIN them?

    —————————————————–

    LMAO “Aryan Pele” – I like that lol

    There should be more pressure put on them for sure, if not to iron out the mistakes, but also to cultivate those very same attribute I mentioned there. To the chagrin of those without the patience at current, I would say it can be done, but of course, the general consensus would be that buying is the solution.

    I think the backroom staff personally needs new coaches in there, to add some dynamism that players can learn from, especially an academy like ours, which has a focus on technique and skill, would have some steel behind them.

  13. Black Hand Ninja

    David says:
    April 26, 2011 at 18:57

    Black Hand Ninja says:
    April 26, 2011 at 18:52
    David says:
    April 26, 2011 at 18:42

    And Arsenal need to do the same: look to improve, but upon the foundation of what you currently have

    ——————————————-

    Agreed! Very well said!

    Which is why its absolutely BAFFLING that with this sort of thinking you turn around and say youre “Keeping Faith” with Wenger.

    Salt Water and Fresh Water cannot come out of the same spring.

    —————————————————–

    Because I don’t believe that he is as rigid as we make him out to be, and I’m sure that he will make the changes necessary. They need not be MASSIVE overhauling changes, but necessary changes for the better.

    A couple signings and some new coaches. That sounds about right. If things don’t change in the summer, I’m sure my faith won’t be as strong as it is now, but right now, I think things will get better for us, despite the major disappointment of not winning anything.

  14. tiarnan

    Black Hand Ninja

    The way you write suggests to me your a very similar character to that of Bree off Desparate Housewives. Its all pleasantries and deary me’s until you shoot someone in the face or offer them a chocolate chip cookie laced with arsenic.

    Suga –
    Was just thinking about that stuff the other day – about how all animals have a different character trait thats reflected in humans (like the way Aesops fables were used like that…)

  15. SUGA3

    tiarnan,

    all the side-effects of communism you mentioned are quite well visible in Poland and don’t let any Pole in your quarters tell you any different…

    BHN,

    I believe that the only hope for this team is:

    – a few heads rolling in a spectacular fashion to make an example

    – buying a few class players, so that the rest would be well motivated and have something to prove

    – hiring a fucking Nazi of a no.2 with Wenger allowing him to be vocal, like saying ‘OK, you wanna play hard?’

  16. useroz

    sick and tired of writing the same shit as wenger, nor arsenal management and board, would give a damn

    however, arsenal’s player problems could be summarised as the lack of urgency and forcefulness

    the rest would be problems with the manager and the board brilliantly manifested by the fucking idiot, PHW

    put PHW into a retirement homw would be a good start for our revival…

  17. SUGA3

    tiarnan,

    this animal resemblance thing: funny you mention that, we once figured that you can see it perfectly clear on acid 😆

    seriously!

  18. patthegooner

    Does anyone else fear that the planned protest march will be misinterpreted as an Anti-Wenger march and potentially end up turning nasty and probably turn into a mini riot.

    I back the protest and agree with most of their opinions and I am pleased to see someone actually doing something rather than just moaning, but I do fear that some will get the wrong end of the stick and kick off.

  19. patthegooner

    Oh and I also believe that this march will help to force some change.

    The fan bad feeling is escalating and if they think a march is bad, can you imagine what it would be like in 12 months time with further inaction….especially on the back of a 6% increase on ST’s.

  20. Keyser

    I think it’ll be great if it kicks off, the greater the better, some bloodshed, big headlines in the media and so on and we’ll all get the change we deserve.

  21. Queen of suburbia

    I’m certain people will kick off at the protest. My husband has had a dozen calls about it.

    He’s older and wiser but there are plenty that aren’t.

    Frankly I fear a massacre.

  22. Black Hand Ninja

    tiarnan says:
    April 26, 2011 at 19:05

    Black Hand Ninja

    The way you write suggests to me your a very similar character to that of Bree off Desparate Housewives. Its all pleasantries and deary me’s until you shoot someone in the face or offer them a chocolate chip cookie laced with arsenic.

    —————————————————–

    LOL. I’m actually an autistic musician from Mitcham. Make of that what you will…..

    /////////////////////////////////////////////////////

    SUGA3 says:
    April 26, 2011 at 19:05

    BHN,

    I believe that the only hope for this team is:

    – a few heads rolling in a spectacular fashion to make an example

    – buying a few class players, so that the rest would be well motivated and have something to prove

    – hiring a fucking Nazi of a no.2 with Wenger allowing him to be vocal, like saying ‘OK, you wanna play hard?’

    —————————————————–

    I agree with all of these points. Our new number two (if Pat Rice goes) has to have other specialties that Arsene doesn’t possess.

    Also, it was telling that Arsene said he didn’t want Pat Rice gone, could it be that Arsene doesn’t actually want an assistant who is the anti-thesis of Arsene’s blueprint.

    Because you know that Thesis plus Anti-Thesis = Synthesis. I thought Arsene being a person interested in philosophy would know this….

  23. patthegooner

    It will be a shame QOS, as I think the majority of the concerns raised in the press release are probably held by the majority of Gooners.

    Sadly though, not many of them will have read it and jump to the conclusion that it is Anti Wenger.

  24. SUGA3

    tia,

    well, never experimented with this kind of quantities, but they say it only makes it longer
    😆

    you actually get to see that very minimum of an animal in a person and it’s always accurate…

    not seen that game before, but it’s funny because it’s true!

  25. Big Dave

    Steve clarke, L’pool num 2 has helped Dalglish a lot, he is a good number 2 to have around, he is the reason that L’pool have done well lately.

    A backroom staff shakeup could do us the world of good

  26. Keyser

    PattheGooner – Nah, it’s political correctness gone mad, I tells ya, the AKB’s are going to get it, would it be going too far if that dude with the Arsene Knows banner happened to take ‘a little trip’ over the railing ?!

  27. Black Hand Ninja

    patthegooner says:
    April 26, 2011 at 19:17

    It will be a shame QOS, as I think the majority of the concerns raised in the press release are probably held by the majority of Gooners.

    Sadly though, not many of them will have read it and jump to the conclusion that it is Anti Wenger.

    —————————————————-

    I read the press release and they have stressed that it is not an anti-Wenger march. So if anyone thinks that it is, one must assume that such people are illiterate, or out to make trouble for their own agenda.

  28. Wenger the liar

    This place cracks me up.

    Anyway,

    Massive odds on Schalke to win tonight, are they that bad, are United that good?

    Time for a bet methinks.

  29. patthegooner

    And in the bigger picture, I can see a lot of other clubs carrying out similar marches in the coming years.

    The every increasing wage demands of players is causing this and finally fans are starting to say enough is enough.

    We are first as we have the most expensive seat around, but I bet others will follow.

  30. Keyser

    Schalke are poor, lie 10th in the Bundesliga, they don’t really do defence, and have a pretty good attack, but they’ve only really shown it in the Champions League.

  31. patthegooner

    Thats it SUGA3

    Everyone should go as a big cuddly mascot.

    No one would attack a big fluffy bear and if they did, it would be comedy gold.

    I love a good mascot punch up.

  32. SUGA3

    I would just love to see ALL the dissenters coming and wearing these damn white coats – no slogans, no chants, no reacting to AKB nonsense, just numbers…

  33. patthegooner

    Shame QOS, you would have hoped we had more class than that.

    I remember coming down from the Highbury Barn after the cup final in 98 and it was kicking off outside the Gunners (God knows why, we had just won the double). Cars and vans were being set alight and the riot police cleared the area.

  34. Black Hand Ninja

    I can see United mauling Schalke tonight, their defence has been a little shaky this season, despite their run in the CL so far

  35. patthegooner

    Although (And I was too drunk to remember which pub it was) it was very funny when the Riot Police were lined up in the pub, and all the Gooners were singing Are you tottenham in disguise. Even the Police were laughing.

  36. patthegooner

    BHN

    I have a sneaky feeling the Germans might come out of this and go through.

    lucky it is not us, we would go into the game with a massage dose of complacency and monk it right up.

  37. G STAR

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  38. G STAR

    THE SUMMER TRANSFER SHORTLIST 100% CONFIRMED

    Involve The Following :

    Sakho
    Cahill
    Parker
    M’Vila
    Hazard
    Ayew
    Hulk
    Gameiro

    ————————————————————————————————————–

    THE SUMMER TRANSFER SHORTLIST 100% CONFIRMED

    Involve The Following :

    Sakho
    Cahill
    Parker
    M’Vila
    Hazard
    Ayew
    Hulk
    Gameiro

  39. Keyser

    I’d got for goals or corners, haven’t watched Schalke much this year and Inter just seem like they could have been a good match up for them.

  40. Black Hand Ninja

    patthegooner says:
    April 26, 2011 at 19:30

    BHN

    I have a sneaky feeling the Germans might come out of this and go through.

    lucky it is not us, we would go into the game with a massage dose of complacency and monk it right up.

    —————————————————

    I have been alarmed at our lack of urgency in some games this season, I don’t understand it. Obviously we cannot run around at top speed like crazy people for a whole match, but it seems the players go from urgent to complacent to nervous in a matter of minutes.

    //////////////////////////////////////////////////

    http://younggunsblog.co.uk/2011/04/arsenal-trial-servette-youngster-mbabu/

    The academy train doesn’t stop going……..

  41. Wenger the liar

    Yeah I just did that Keyser funnily enough. Hedged my bets instead of just sticking to what I thought.

    Fucking pointless.

    Hope youre well Keyser

  42. SUGA3

    BHN,

    I did some thinking on the subject and no, no other manager would have done as good on the budget, simple as that…

    and I believe is pretty dim to think otherwise!

    however, despite of what OGL would have you believe, I don’t think there was a single poster on here who would ask for a ‘galactico’ type signing or a few…

    I, for one, only asked for a few players of size and power, you can go through the threads since I started posting on here and I am still singing from the same hymn sheet 😉

    all we needed was 2-3 players before the rot started for good…

    and now?

  43. SUGA3

    gambon,

    nonsense, Coyle is not on the same planet and ‘Arry?

    I reckon he MIGHT do better with the same players motivation wise, but would he ever get them? doubt it…

  44. Black Hand Ninja

    gambon says:
    April 26, 2011 at 19:39

    Suga

    Owen Coyle & Harry Redknapp would both do better than Wenger on the same budget.

    ——————————————————-

    LOL I’m not sure about that one, I don’t recall either winning any titles. Redknapp possibly, as he has won the FA Cup.

    Possibly arguable, but I wouldn’t say thats a given.

    Redknapp has spent more than us and he isn’t above us in the league…

  45. Rohan

    I just hope there’s no violence or burning effigies or anything of that sort. We’ll be a fucking laughing stock then.

    ——————–
    David says:
    April 26, 2011 at 17:53
    Great analogy Kush.

    Personally ive said a big fuck you to Windows entirely.

    Discovering Ubuntu for me has been like discovering the Dead Man’s Gold Chest in Pirates of the Caribbean
    ————

    Best thing you’ve ever said, my man. UBUNTUUUUU

  46. Rohan

    gambon says:
    April 26, 2011 at 19:39
    Suga

    Owen Coyle & Harry Redknapp would both do better than Wenger on the same budget.
    —————–

    Harry Redknapp has a bigger budget than us and what the fuck has he done?

  47. hitman49

    I WILL ONLY PROTEST IF THEY’

    PROMISE TO KETTLE US AND STOP US FROM SEEING THE GAME.

    AND NOT GET ARSEN TO TALK TO US !

    AS IT MUST BE AGAINST HUMAN RIGHTS TO HEAR THAT MENTAL STRENTH SPEACH IT’LL BE LIKE WHITE NOISE

  48. gambon

    Harry Redknapp has spent £35m since he went to Spurs, yet has a wage bill £50m below Arsenals.

    Its fair to say he is currently a better manager than Wenger…..oh and wenger cant win a trophy to save his life.

  49. Rohan

    I don’t understand the fuss about the wage bill. We have the third-highest wage bill and we’re third in the league. Surely that’s justified?

  50. Rohan

    “Its fair to say he is currently a better manager than Wenger”

    Of course gambon, just because you say it does not make it true. No club in the world would take Harry fucking Redknapp over Wenger.

  51. tiarnan

    “Two manky hookers and a racist dwarf, Im going home…”

    Thatd be my kinda party, once Id strapped the dwarf with velcro…

  52. SUGA3

    crazy idea, but I would put them (OGL and ‘Arry) in a managerial tandem 😆

    before anyone says anything: yes, I am aware that it’s unworkable!

  53. choy

    Of course wenger can win a a trophy, he’s proved that already..

    he’s just trying to go about in a ridiculous manner for the last couple of years..

  54. Kushagra India

    Tia there is always a balance if you go deep you will find evr1 playin the same piece since the dawn of humanity 😉 in different names or religions…

  55. albo

    You have to hand it to Gambon, anyone who can say, with a straight face, that Redknapp is the better manager has some serious commitment to wumming!

    Gambon – he inherited a hugely impressive and costly squad (albeit one that was massively underachieving) and then spent further amounts and he still probably won’t manage to keep Spurs in the CL slots. And he hasn’t won a trophy with them either. So by what measure is he the superior manager?

  56. Paulinho

    Looks like United aren’t afflicted with the “lacking a little bit sharpness” syndrome, regardless of how many games they play.

  57. albo

    Gotta say, if you’re a Man U fan you’d have to frickin LOVE Hernandez. The kid’s got passion, commitment, fight, skill, movement and striker’s instinct (and by all accounts a fantastic attitude in training etc). What a fucking STEAL he was for them!

  58. tiarnan

    PTG – see in the dwarf tossing clip the reporter asked the woman: Do you think dwarves will be scared of “big” people now?

    Fuckin brilliant. From that clip alone you could make a feature length movie.

  59. albo

    Kush – its a point I made on here a week or so ago, and no one really has an answer to it. If we assume that essentially another manager would have been able to spend what Wenger has plus the £40 million available, is there anyone who could have come close to where we are now? Not in my opinion…

  60. Kushagra India

    Redknapp’s squad was already a top 6 squad albeit the result spoke otherwise…he is decent but nowhere near Europe’s best…

  61. Maciek

    Albo,

    He would have been wasted here at Arsenal, with out tippy-tappy, ugly football. Also predictible and boring.

  62. Paulinho

    And there’s right back Fabio in the box just missing…

    The idea that we play total football with planks like Clichy and Sagna in the side is laughable.

  63. BillikenGooner

    I sometimes get the impression Wenger’s tantrums are those of an old man who wants to retire and had this grandiose plan to “hand off” this Legacy Team to someone who he could take credit for over the next decade while ‘managing’ France, touring the World, coming back to walk the halls of the Emirates on occasion as a returning king, people bowing to him, accepting accolades….

    but is realizing he has to eat some crow and do what others want him to do (reshuffle the team and sign some established talent) or only have a sack of dirt to hand over, especially if he loses Cesc and Nasri this summer.

  64. SUGA3

    Kush,

    to be honest, it’s a tough job, but the article is a bit of a manipulation:

    – first of all, there was no need to impose the restrictions as much as AW did, i.e. we could afford to top up the team in the winter, plus, we could have and should have replaced four shit players who never get a look in anyway until it’s too late because of being shit with two players who would constitute genuine options

    – secondly, this year’s title was our to lose and we never fail in that department, do we?

    – finally, as I said before, there are scores of managers who would do much better job motivation and tactics wise given the same team

  65. gambon

    People were calling for Neuer when he was 23, however wenger knows best and thought Fabimunia were the answer.

  66. tiarnan

    Now look at Neuer – a world class goalkeeper that anyone wanting to be considered a major club would bid for.

    Will we bid for him?

    Will we fuck.

    So instead of paying £17.5m and 65k per week salary…and having the kind of goalkeeper that would guarantee you 18 points a season (according to Fergie)….

    Wenger will by a 12 yr old peanguin from lapland for £4.8m, that is athletically superb (especially under water) but is “perhaps lacking a little bit of mental strength and maturity…also maybe a little lacking in technical ability, but I beleeeeeeeve to add 2% on this side and some little piece of maturity and he will become a great footballer.”

    ITS A FUCKIN PENGUIN WENGER – HE WILL NEVER BECOME A GREAT FUCKIN FOOTBALLER!!

    What a cunt!

  67. albo

    SUGA – its not really manipulation. If you look at net spend and add the money we all agree hasn’t been spent (£40 million), then that cancels out anything ‘self-imposed’.

    When you add our warchest, since 2003, our net spend COULD have been about £5 million a season. This includes the money available but not spent. That would put us below teams like Sunderland, Villa and Birmingham, (and of course Liverpool, Man U, Chelsea, Man City etc).

    You are right that another manager might do better WITH THIS TEAM, but that’s not really the point, since they (presumably) wouldn’t have been able to build such a good team in the first place…

  68. Santos

    We are going to lose all our remaining games and probably fight to finish in the traditional 4th position. Then we will lose Cesc and Nasri and Arshavin will get bored of playing for us. Clichy might force a transfer too. We will buy no stars, maybe an unknown from the French 3rd division and a couple of 16 year olds from Japan and Korea. Lpool will strengthen, Manure will, Chavs of course will, Mancity I neednt talk about. We may finish 6th and have fun watching footy on Thursday nights. I just hope Wenger and his bunch of incompetent players who dont know how lucky they are to be here, leave my beloved Arsenal. This relationship is over! We pray to see change, but it wont come. We are going to moan and cry for at least 3 more years, before the senile French idiot would be gone.

  69. SUGA3

    albo,

    now, why would any other manager not build the same team, given the same time and all that?

    it’s not like all these scouts are Wenger’s answer to the samurais from ‘Ronin’, is it?

    IMO, it’s a matter of how patient the board is prepared to be with you at any level – if there is no pressure to deliver silverware, you knever know…

  70. albo

    Santos – in fairness, that kind of nonsense in the second half of your post has been predicted every season for the past 4 or 5 years by pundits and journos, but it never seems to happen…

  71. albo

    SUGA – well that’s the point isn’t it. Would another manager have put THAT team together. Are you arguing the manager ISN’T responsible for the players bought?!

    If it was so easy, surely the teams in the midtable with similar transfer budgets would all be building teams of our quality? (After all, our wages might be high, but that is, apparently, because we pay way over the money for our squad players, so that would be easily rectified…)

  72. tiarnan

    Supporting Arsenal is like living in the richest neighbourhood with piss poor parents –

    On Thursday nights when all your neighbours are unpacking their Range Rovers & Jags and taking out shopping from Harrods…Daddy Wenger pulls up in the driveway in his rusty Skoda with two small bags from Lidl.

    On sunny Saturdays as the neighbourhood is full of smokey barbeque fumes, Daddy Wenger serves up burnt toast and beans.

    And on Sunday nights as Mrs Mourinho is getting undressed Daddy Wenger slowly removes the lens cap from his binoculars and walks towards the roof top window…

  73. andy c

    the way i see it is we could have off loaded one crap player a year for the last 6, there is no way we will offload 6 in one window and wenger is not gonna buy that many either!

  74. albo

    SUG – The thing I do find with people like you, who believe it is our absolute right to be at the top of the table every season, is that you seem to massively underestimate how difficult the job is. As a result, you are convinced that pretty much anyone could come in and quickly transform our fortunes and win us things.

    But the point is that a whole host of managers have been backed far better financially than ours and still come nowhere near the summit of the table. So clearly it is not that easy…as you may find out when we finally do change manager…

  75. SUGA3

    albo,

    no, I am not saying that, what I am saying is that there is no need to spend if there is no pressure to deliver and you can dilly-dally with the D******n et al ‘trial and error’ nonsense – it does not cost money, but it costs you trophies…

    and he IS responsible for the players he bought or kept, you know who I am talking about, don’t you?

  76. Confidentgoner

    The competency gap between Sir Alex and Wenger is amazingly wide, with Alex far better than his colleague. You just wonder by how many goals are we going to bend over on Sunday. Management competencies include:

    training methods
    Player scouting
    Match day strategy and tactics
    Dressing room management
    Player transfers to improve squad
    Squad rotation and dynamics
    Winning mentality

    But if you add balancing the budget and exposing youth to the deep end, Wenger gets full marks

  77. Santos

    Albo
    If we dont reshape, Im afraid the chasing pack will overtake us. I think you are very unrealistic too, you Wenger bum-licking cunt! We will be lucky to be challenging for honours with this set of schoolboys in the team.

  78. gambon

    “And on Sunday nights as Mrs Mourinho is getting undressed Daddy Wenger slowly removes the lens cap from his binoculars and walks towards the roof top window…”

    Lol, absolutely priceless.

  79. SUGA3

    Albo,

    SUG – The thing I do find with people like you, who believe it is our absolute right to be at the top of the table every season, is that you seem to massively underestimate how difficult the job is. As a result, you are convinced that pretty much anyone could come in and quickly transform our fortunes and win us things.

    dude, let’s get one thing straight once and for all: I am not dumb enough to think that we are owed a trophy every season, but it is my belief that we should have done better with what we have – fair?

    the only thing I am expecting is for the players to fight until the bitter end, that’s all…

    now, when was the last time we saw that?

  80. gambon

    Wenger definately has his plus points, there are things he does better than anyone:

    – Buying kids
    – Overpaying kids
    – Buying shit frenchmen
    – Overpaying shit frenchmen
    – Increasing the GDP of Africa
    – Teaching how to defend like a cunt
    – Saying “I will buy” in April
    – Dodging his Q&A
    – Blaming refs
    – Blaming everything & everyone but himself and his players
    – Looking like an anorexic voyeur cunt
    – Being a twat
    – Not knowing how to remove “the handbrake”

  81. albo

    SUGA3 says:
    April 26, 2011 at 20:56
    albo,

    no, I am not saying that, what I am saying is that there is no need to spend if there is no pressure to deliver and you can dilly-dally with the D******n et al ‘trial and error’ nonsense – it does not cost money, but it costs you trophies…

    and he IS responsible for the players he bought or kept, you know who I am talking about, don’t you?

    None of that really answers the original question. On the budget available, would any other manager have kept us as competitive as we have been? By way of example, David Moyes is often held up as a man with a team performing way beyond its budget, but has has outspent Wenger by nearly £25 million since 2003.

    If you take into account the £40 million Wenger could have spent, the question becomes this – would £15 million of spending bring Everton to the same level as Arsenal? The answer is categorically ‘No!’

  82. Wengerafc

    Tarquin. I think you’ll find that the salt beef has been substituted of late by rather inferior pastrami . One can only presume the penny pinching is to help contribute to a new centre half !

  83. Mr B

    City will win the fa cup and the title next year.

    They have so many winners they’ll just show two fingers to Mancini’s tactics on the pitch, once they have some cohesion and confidence.

    P.S. They are all bum chums already. Johnson kissed Dzeko after he scored while Dzeko was grabing bolatelli’s arse. 😀

  84. albo

    Dude, let’s get one thing straight once and for all: I am not dumb enough to think that we are owed a trophy every season, but it is my belief that we should have done better with what we have – fair?
    ——————————————————

    Yes, I do agree with you there. For starters, we should have won the fucking Carling Cup!

    But playing devils advocate – either our squad isn’t good enough because Wenger has bought the wrong, rubbish players, or it IS good enough to win trophies, in which case a lot of criticism levelled at Wenger should be ignored.

    My genuine worry is this – that unless things change financially David Dein’s original prediction will come true. ie that we will have nowhere near enough to compete and we will drop down the table very swiftly. Without Wenger to build squads WAY better than their budget should allow, how long would be even be top 4?