Clichy: Don’t say we didn’t warn you… Ratings + Reveiw

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Yesterday was pretty horrible. I spent most of the morning listening to Spurs fans banging on about the second coming of Christ then the afternoon was occupied hearing how clever Liverpool were for signing ex-Spurs and Arsenal scout, Damian Comolli… so I was kind of hoping the evening was going to be all about Arsenal’s new breed of technically gifted players.

Fabianski
Eboue Djourou Squillaci Clichy
Wilshere Eastmond Rosicky (C)
Walcott Bendtner Nasri

Sadly it wasn’t to be. Wenger decided against fielding Lansbury and JET, he once again opted for Eastmond in the middle of the park and I’d say 90% of Arsenal fans knew what the outcome of that would be.

Arsenal failed to really take hold of the game from the off. We did however manage to take the lead when Jack Wilshere set Theo off with a nicely waited long ball. The Englishman kicked up into 9th gear, sprinted the length of the pitch and picked out a finish from about 16 yards into the bottom corner. Some people said the finish was Thierry-esque, me? Well, I thought it was more like a Marc Overmars finish. It reminded me of the goal he scored against United away at Old Trafford in 1998.

The game fell to pieces from there. The only spark we had in midfield was Jack Wilshere. Eastmond and Rosicky weren’t creating much and seemed to  be doing their level best to break up play and put their team mates in awkward positions.

Eboue was being exposed at right back time and time again and after a Jack foul was waved on for advantage, Shaktar broke, the Ivorian was the wrong side of his man and he fouled.

The resultant freekick was just as much of a shambles, the backline deciding the shorter/lighter Eastmond should mark Chygrnsky, the cross was floated in, the Ukrainian breezed past our green centre midfielder and nodded in at the near post.

I did wonder if the players had been made aware that the Ukranian had already scored twice this season and could cause aerial problems?

Shaktar made it two when Clichy produced and epic howler. He had control of the ball down the flank, backed off presenting an opportunity to Srna who took it with both feet, nipped inside, cut it back to Eduardo who slotted home clinically.

I wonder how many of sentimental brigade cheered that goal?

Our problems worsened as the half wore on, the tense atmosphere and the fast movement of Shaktar contributed to a visible collapse on the pitch. The only three players worth a bean were JD, Wilshere and Fabianski. The rest failed to find their feet or get a hold of the game.

Nik Bendtner wasn’t receiving the service he needed, that’s still no excuse for a terrible touch and poor passing.

I hoped for an improved display in the second half, but more of the same was on show. Eastmond was struggling and was clearly well out of his depth.  He was taken off for Vela on 59 minutes.

We carved out a few chances, Theo firing close to the keeper on a number of occasions. Probably the best chance of the half came when Clichy chipped a cross into the box, Squillaci connected and headed towards goal only to be denied by a smart save.

Too many cheap balls were given away in the second half and too many players didn’t turn up.

If the game was an exercise in trust, you’d have to say that the players let Wenger down badly. We can all criticise the selection of Eastmond, that felt like and obvious blunder, but that doesn’t account for the more senior players in the side letting the manager down.

Wenger wasn’t a happy man in the press conference after. Many Arsenal fans were making weak excuses on the web about losing, the coach wasn’t.

“We should have made the most of it after we scored the first goal like we did, I believe it’s a lack of maturity.

“We dropped a bit of our urgency and we were punished because they are good players.”

In the Sky interview he said that he wasn’t happy with anyone’s individual performance because he went out there to win. I’m sure there will be an internal inquiry into what went wrong yesterday because from where I was sitting, it felt like our group of young superstars went into that game believing their own hype. Complacency can be a cancer in a talented squad, it needs to be stamped out immediately.

There needs to be a marked improvement on Saturday and we simply can’t take 3 points against Newcastle for granted.

On the positive side of things, how many teams could afford to be without Cesc, Arshavin, Song, Sagna and Chamakh in their starting line up?

We also have to factor our great previous Champions League form. We’re all but qualified,so there are no worries about that. It’s just a shame we couldn’t do it last night.  Last nights game was more a test of squad character, one that I feel we failed. I’d rather we make that mistake now than in a game that really counts, like an FA Cup away tie at Sunderland.

Arsenal fans have a tendency to go hugely over the top when we’re winning, then so far under after a loss the Samaritans monitor the comments when we lose. Lets pick the bones out of this defeat and move on. We’re having a great season so far and I refuse to believe we’re going to let the Black November pick us off again!

Chin up Grovers, there’s still plenty to play for.

Ratings

Fabianski: Made some top saves that kept the score line respectable. He’s starting to build a bit of momentum and the defence are beginning to trust him. Maybe a little too much if you consider how many times they left him exposed last night. 7.5

Eboue: A shocking game from the right back. He was exposed an outrageous amount of times in the first half and he looked truly lost. This isn’t a surprise to me, but it will be for those who think he should be playing ahead of Sagna. 4.5

Djourou: He kept us in the game for large parts. His aerial presence and his last gasp interceptions were very important last night. I still think he gets drawn out a little too often, possibly more so yesterday trying to fill the hole left in midfield. He’s growing game from game and he was definitely a highlight for me. 8

Squillaci: He should be making sure the biggest players on the edge of the box are being picked up by our biggest players. I thought he had a slightly weak performance yesterday though he did go close to equalising. 6.5

Clichy: Another horror show from our left back. He’s been the weak link in our side for a while. I think his howlers have been over shadowed recently by the keeping problems, but once again, a complete brain freeze lead to a goal being conceded. His crossing was back to normal levels and he was bumbling all over the field. He needs a big fat T.O, but with Gibbs busy competing for the biggest crock trophy, that time is going to be hard to come by. 3.5

Wilshere: Definitely a bright spark in the first half with some superb through  balls, however, as the game drew on his creative side became a touch one-dimensional and a little predictable. There’s only so many times you can try and thread it through the centre of a good defence. He was a bit impatient and things didn’t really go his way. 6.5

Eastmond: He’s not ready for Champions League football at the moment. I know there always seems to be a player we’re not happy with, but there is always a player in our squad Wenger persists with until they come good, even if they cost us. If we want to win trophies this year, we can’t be dropping 19 year olds who aren’t ready into the starting 11. 4

Rosicky (C): He’s an amazing impact sub, shame he can’t seem to do it from the off. He’s a great cog to have in your machine when everything is working in tip top order, however, when things start falling apart, his game is too fragile and dependent on perfection to be effective. Still, I prefer him as captain over Almunia. 6

Walcott: I had a disagreement before the game about whether he is a striker or not. For me, he’ll always be a winger. Comparisons with Thierry Henry are ridiculous. He’ll never have the skill or natural ability the great man once had and it’s cruel to compare the two. Theo is at his best when he’s chasing a long ball as he demonstrated last night with a superb finish. After that though, it was same old Theo, running up blind alleys and making poor attempts at final balls. Jens Lehmann and Leonardo both made valid points, the German saying he’ll never be Thierry because of height and build, Leonardo saying he’s more of a midfielder than a striker. 6.5

Bendtner: Old big time is back in the building. I felt he had a very complacent game, his touch was poor and he wasn’t holding the ball up very well at all. If he wants to reach the levels Chamakh is at the moment, he really is going to have to work harder than that. A truly woeful performance. However, it’s important to note, he’s fresh back from injury and we’ll see that type of inconsistency for a few games. 4

Nasri: Was kind of hoping for more out of the Frenchman today. Too many chipped passes and extravagant shows of skill. When Cesc isn’t in the team, sometimes he goes into his shell a little. Hopefully he’ll shake that off by the weekend. 6

Subs:

Vela: 6

Chamakh: 6

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408 Responses to “Clichy: Don’t say we didn’t warn you… Ratings + Reveiw”

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  1. Wenger the liar

    LOL Pedro, no no.

    This is not based on last nights result, as I said last night was meaningless.

    When you see an outcome, a result, like the final league table, the seeds of that result are sown a long time before.

    Other people have said we competed for the league on two occasions in the last five years, I dont buy that shit.

    We have gone into the last 5/6/7 years (im actually losing count now!) without a hope of winning the league. The team that we have at the end of the summer transfer window has never been good enough.

    People will argue that “we came close”, in life there is no coming close, there is winning and everything else is losing.

    We have not had a squad of players that had the balls to win, losing is easy winning takes balls. Thats why when “we came close” we shit ourselves and found nice excuses for failure. Set backs that other teams would have used for motivation were the excuses we found for failure.

  2. gambon

    Choy

    Tom Cruise is at Carlisle on loan, it would be mission impossible to get him back, unless we gave them someone else as Collateral, there are only a few good men left in football these days, but he would be the firm choice for LB with gibbs injured. Hes far & away our best young LB and could go on to be a legend. If Wenger makes all the right moves who knows, we may be able to recall him.

  3. timao

    in two matches clichy got us three points and lost us two points – so he’s one up for now, and the three won are worth more than the two dropped.

    clichy is not the devil! he will come back even stronger v newcastle and we will all praise him

  4. ZARgooner

    gambon says:
    November 4, 2010 at 12:06
    Yeah guys Suarez is FAR from proven

    60 goals in his last 63 games, 16 in 38 internationals.

    He must be rubbish.

    ———————————————

    Mateja Kezman

    Played 176 league games scoring 138 league goals before coming to the EPL….

    Just think its nieve to think Suarez would be better than RVP just based on his record. I do think his play looks phenominal though BUT he is a lying cheat thus more suited for manure

  5. Wenger the liar

    Timao –

    Not arguing with your logic even though its bollocks but your math is wrong. If Clichy only cost us two points then he only won us two points as we would have drawn without the goal.

  6. timao

    Wenger the liar – “…in life there is no coming close, there is winning and everything else is losing.”

    fucking hell that’s very true! but no-one wins every time they play so it is important to learn how to cope with defeat.

    when i coach youngsters i remind them of two well known maxims: in sport a good honest effort is always a victory. a loss can be turned into a win if you learn from the experience.

  7. timao

    ok ok – clichy had the guile precision and energy to foil his marker and fire in a brilliant pinpoint cross with his wrong foot!!! to win us three points on saturday v west ham. we’ll top the champs league group anyway but those 3 pts v west ham are priceless

  8. Wenger the liar

    Timao –

    I agree with the sentiments of what you are saying and if we had learned anything from the Eduardo incident then the Ramsey injury would have been a spring board.

    There is coping with defeat and then there is becoming accustomed to losing.

    Let me ask you this Timao:

    If you wanted to get your boys to have 15 shots on goal in a game because you thought you would win if you reached that number would you:

    Tell them there was an incentive if they have 15 shots in the game?

    Tell them there was an incentive if they have 20 shots in the game?

    I ask this as I read AW make another one of his loser comments “our first target is fourth”

    Losing is easier than winning, theres no pressure in losing.

  9. CEL

    LAST THOUGHTS ON THE DEFEAT

    Thought that LG was spot on with performance comments. Especially the no show of Bentdner, Eboue
    and sunday morning defending of Clichy. Apologies to Sunday footballers.

    Two critiscms have to be levelled at Wenger.

    CRIT 1/ Why has he with substantial medical staff
    back up,failed to address the constant loss of
    key players to minor or muscle injuries that
    plagues the squad. I cannot recall a big game
    in the last few years when we have had a fully
    fit squad to pick from.

    The AGM presentation documents even noted the
    high level of injuries affecting the team.
    This has to be a high prority issue. Shame that
    we do not have a football man on the board take
    this up .

    CRIT 2/
    Why did Wenger not play the experienced Kolcieny
    at the back with Djourou, and push the Sqill into
    a holding role in front of the back four.
    This would have spared the confidence of young
    Eastmond.

    Wenger sometimes cant see the wood for the
    trees. Fellow Arsenal supporters reckoned that
    this positional move is to radical for him.

    CEL

    injuries

  10. gambon

    Lol, ok so that goal was all down to clichy. Goalscorers no longer matter, its only about the assist. Should we drop golden boot for goalscorers and give it to the player with the most assists?

    Alex Song got us 3 points on Saturdey, not Gael Clichy, the most error prone FB in the game.

  11. timao

    Wenger the liar – i coach boxing and chess not football, so i wouldn’t know. if i was managing a salesforce i’d definitely set the targets higher though. can you incentivise players to take more shots? it might be counter productive

  12. DaleDaGooner

    Wow! gambon, now that is smarts, for ones, you put together some good art! not the colorful things you normally say on here. Good lad, you’ve got some spunk kid!

  13. timao

    gambon that is so wrong, clichy gets the credit for that goal even more than song in my book, he had the harder job, my dog could have done what song did

  14. timao

    Wenger the liar – i suppose the point is to set the bar high of course. but that’s surely not where we are at with an elite professional football team is it? these guys are all super motivated already or should have fallen by the wayside as teenagers.

    i play on chessbase and chesscube

  15. Pedro

    Gambon, goalscorers are important, of course they are… but the creators are generally more valuable to the team and I’m with Timao here… that cross made the goal.

  16. Marko

    Unfortunately after last night we’ll have to play serious stuff in our final 2 group games which means no giving run outs to Chezney and co. which is apparently what he’s demanding. We’ll still top the group or should still and dare I say I don’t think the result last night will have any real affect on our performance sun. We could of drawn last night and for Sunday you’d expect either one or both of Denilson or Song will be back and our little mini DM crisis will be over cause long term Eastmond won’t make it here.

  17. timao

    marko – such a shame that frimpong got injured right at the start of the season. wenger called it a ‘massive blow’ an clearly he had high hopes for the youngster. he certainly looked the part in pre-season

  18. Wenger the liar

    Timao –

    I will ask you this again nearer xmas and we will play, you will kick ass no doubt.

    Motivation changes and not everyone that makes it is motivated in the first place.

    You can see people like Tyson that were top of their game that just thought fuck it.

    Roy Keane sums this up well when he said that after the CL win he thought some of the squad had thought that was it.

    Once the finances have taken over its easy to lose track of the game.

    You lose against spurs and you think the players are hurting, like us losing a deal to the competition, however when you leave the stadium your ego is slightly lifted by the fans waiting for your autograph then you climb into your Ferrari and the leather seats make the journey home feel just that little bit better, then you get home to your £5m house and the maid has dinner ready for you and you feel that little bit better, then you call up a page three girl and she comes round and blows you and you feel that little bit better, you wake up the next day and you cant remember if yesterday was good or bad.

    😉

  19. Dutchman

    We will win easily against braga. We will play the best posible team and we will have sagna-kos-vermaelen and gibbs back in defence. So, don’t worry, even if we lose then we are 2nd.

  20. Dutchman

    Yeah, frimpong looked like a real fighter, one prospect that could match the big games. It’s a pity that he is injured but he will be a star for us in the future!

  21. charybdis1966

    WTL – I like that little insight inot the workings of th emoind of your typical footballer.
    To quote the mighty Metallica “Sad, but true”

  22. Pedro

    Rafa Q&A

    Q. So how are you enjoying Italy, Rafa?

    A. “Do not be frightened of the water but fear the dolphin. Mr Hodgson must think I am, as my father used to say to me while hitting my head with a spoon, invisible in a room full of boiled eggs.”

    Q. Riiiighht. Does the lifestyle here suit you?

    A. During my time at Liverpool, the owners were trying to see out of the back of a balaclava and as the hermit I met in the Caves of Almeria can tell you, the way to neuter a dog is with a knife, not with words; do you see what I say? If a black dog is biting you, for sure, you don’t worry about the colour of his fur.

    Q. Okkkaayyy. Hermits…err…right. Your family really liked life on Merseyside – have they settled in Milan yet?

    A. The question I would ask you is one which my priest used to ask me every Sunday; would you saddle a greased pig and ride her? For me, that is the most important question. At Liverpool the owners could not answer this and we all quickly realised that a clown without his make-up is just another man with loose-fitting trousers.

    Q. Mmmmm greased pig. So would you opt for the beef or the lamb on a menu?

    A. I shall answer that with this question; if I break into a player’s house and steal some fish, am I poor or does it show my love of fish or my contempt of the player? Or is it a compliment to the player who may be one of the world’s best fish buyers? These are the questions any manager of quality must answer before he can literally do anything.

    Q. Well yes. I’m sure. Seen any good bands recently?

    A. Sometimes I think Mr Hodgson, if he found toast in the road, he would assume the road is made of bread. I would never do that. I have never thought any road is made of bread. That is a fact.

    Q. So have you a message for all your fans on Merseyside?

    A. You are familiar with the Spanish saying, he who talks with one hand clapping greases the squeaky wheel, no? I think it’s clear to the fans which side of the soup the toilets are.

    Q. Thank you Rafa.

  23. gambon

    Pedro

    Dont agree, if assisters were the important thing then no team would spend money on strikers.

    You would buy the worlds best playmaker then stick Jay Simpson infront of him.

  24. Pedro

    Gambon, teams spend money on reserve keepers.

    How many of the Ballon D’Or winners have been strikers in the last ten years?

    3 by my reckoning (7 creators have)…

    They’re important, but I place more value on creative players… you can have a limited striker in your team and do wonders if you’ve got fantastic creators. You can’t really go vice versa.

  25. gambon

    Pedro,

    A squad of 28 players will usually have 5 strikers, so statistically they should only have an 18% chance of winning player of the year awards. Yet strikers have won the Ballon D’or 50% in the last 10 years, and 30% in World player.

  26. Mayank

    Depends on the kind of goal really… But if we’re generalising at a lower level strikers are more important but at the highest level it’d have to be the assisters.
    The teams are too tactically astute to be broken down without some imagination in MF.

    Of course there are strikers like Drogba who make the assister’s job easy.

    As for the West Ham goal I’d say it was Song’s drive that created the move and he finally scored it so he should get more credit. Of course getting a good cross was very important and it did make it hard to miss.

  27. Pedro

    How have you come to 50%?

    Midfielders:

    Messi
    C.Ronaldo
    Nedved
    Figo
    Kaka
    Ronaldinho

    Strikers:

    Owen
    Shevchenko
    Fat Ronaldo

  28. Mayank

    The Ballon D’Or count isn’t a smart way to judge anything. Cannavaro is the only winner I remember who was a Defender. We know how important defenders are to any successful team. The awards focus too much on the flash side of football.

  29. Wenger the liar

    Diaby will win the Ballon d’or this year then retire from football and prove the existence of the higgs boson diaby particle, as it will be known.

  30. Mayank

    Pedro, Ballon D’Or winners are generally top of the scoring charts for their clubs. So by that token goals-scorers are the most important players on the pitch. Except that they’re not. It would be a fair gauge if the players importance to the team is taken into consideration, but it’s generally not.

  31. Queen of suburbia

    Wenger was right about the complacency – up to the goal we were playing well, pressing high up the pitch then we decided the job was done and allowed them to start playing.

    I thought clichy had an ok game bar one clanger eboue on the other hand had one of his worst ever games. Squillachi was also very poor. JD was actualy ok.

    Rosicky is starting remind me of Hleb, flatters to deceive, does fuck all where it matters. Eastmond struggled but he’s behind song, denilson, diaby and frimpong so arguably 5th choice.

    Nik was poor, Theo great finish looked better coming from the left than the right.

    All in we were without our three world class players in arsha, rvp and cesc and it showed.

  32. Mayank

    Of course they’re strikers, they just cut in from wide positions. They are not midfielders by any stretch. Look at the job the coach gives them, it’s pretty much the same instructions a striker would get. The main difference between them an out ant out strikers would be that they pick the ball up deeper and while defending they’d need to cover from time to time.

  33. timao

    QoS – hleb was sensational, he might not have scored a lot but he certainly created plenty.

    bit hard on rosicky aren’t you? he started the season brilliantly and has had a couple of average games, mind you evryone did last night

  34. JJ

    Wenger – “We have learned the lesson that at this level you cannot lose focus at any moment and that is why we were punished.”

    Really? Have we learned this lesson? How many times can you learn the same lesson?

  35. luke

    I bet if Vermaelen played yesterday we would have won comfortably. We lacked unity, organization and drive in defense. Vermaelen brings all of that to the table. I really think he should be our captain or atleast second choice. Anyone have an idea when he’ll be back?

  36. DantezGood

    Mr Wenger just the other day after the westham win said the team is now matured after that performance against the hammers then 72 hours later the team lacks maturity.On a serious note AFC needs to get rid off some players inorder to win the league or CC, we have some outstanding yet below average players around.

  37. ben

    i am with Pedro on this one. Messi and Ronaldo are not ur out and out striker but more the creator. the fact that they score shot loads of goals, just make them more dangerous

  38. JJ

    Despite Eboue and Clichy having shockers, here is my technical analysis:

    Eastmond was (supposed to be) protecting the back 4. Rosicky looked like he was playing behind Bendy and Theo/Nasri hugged the touchlines. That left too much space for LJW to cover and almost impossible anyone to string passes together.

    Usually our central 3 maintain a tight triangle that allows them to play the pass and move game. It also allows them to press together when we lose the ball.

    This is why I think we lost control of the game. We didn’t control possession like we usually do and were too spread out when we lost the ball. Add this to general complacency and you get last night’s result.

  39. David

    Nik was poor because he’s shite.

    Shouldnt have even bothered to pass to him. Might as well hand it over to the opposition.

    And i think you are very harsh on Eboue.

    Ofcoarse Eboue is going to be out of position as an attacking fullback when pass the ball to your center forward and neither has the first touch or the ability to play with his back to defenders.

    Nick lost the ball,

    They hit us on a counter, Eboue did well to pick up the yellow card, which Ironically you slated clichy for.

  40. Kushagra India

    Mayank
    u cant call them strikers ,they don’t play on their own they cut inside because there the space is Capello tried the same with Gerrard but failed becuase of his lack of dribbling skills and mediocrity of Rooney they are given a free advanced role but they are not the focal point of attack otherwise they are marked out of the game

  41. Kushagra India

    How can anyone forget Zinedine Zidane he didn’t scored a lot of goals but by god he controlled the midfield like few other can

  42. Kushagra India

    Lothar Matthaus the first fifa player of the year we don’t have any like him nowadays with the death of 3-5-2

  43. cynik

    “…we curse arshavin but we missed him last nite altho hes doesnt score his creative ability is vital…”

    He doesn’t score?

    We curse him?

    He does score, and only weirdo idiots curse him.

    Arshavin has been scoring and getting assists and playing with injuries and terrorizing opposition defenders like a freaking MACHINE, and yet for some weird reason a lot of gunners fans give him relentless criticism.

    “It is asharvin’s fault that clichy is a defensive liability.”

    “Rosicky is much, much better than arshavin.”

    “Arshavin is LAZY and doesn’t score goals.”

    It is time for those who have a homo-erotic crush on Rosicky and who can’t read the stats to open a massive can of STFU.

    If we had a few more arshavins, songs and fabregases, we be serious contenders for a bit of silverware.

  44. Kushagra India

    Franz Beckenbauer: You must use this slogan, the whole nation watched. But you can only do as a coach against such opponents what you can. Against Brazil one can motivate easier.

    On motivation limitations of coach

  45. Kushagra India

    If anyone is calling Suarez a cheat than every player who is red carded is a cheat because most of them intentionally prevent the player from scoring.

    He never dives and hasn’t repeated the offence

  46. Samir

    Even Cristiano Ronaldo is bigging up Romelu Lukaku…He’s the next Drogba…We should get a bid in there…Along with one for Bale. I’m Welsh and…GOD he will be AMAZING 😀

  47. Queen of Suburbia

    Timao i don’t think Hleb was amazing, all style over substance. Great at turning a player on the edge of his own box and carrying 10 yards but actually contributed next to nothing bar two half assists and an own goal.

  48. Queen of Suburbia

    I also don’t think Rosicky has started the season all that well personally. I think he had one good game and then everybody started saying that he was back to is best.

    In my opinion, all three forward players in a 443 must carry a goal or assist threat. He doesn’t currently, lots of turns and twists and exploring openings, but very little end product. Hence the comparison with “he who likes ice cream”.

  49. Baafuor from Ghana

    What do u guys think of Hulk as a replacement for RVP?I really like him and he has scored 10 goals or so this season.

  50. Samir

    Okay…What would everyone’s dream teams be atm…As in…The players in the best form atm?(Premier League only)
    Here’s mine:
    ___________Fabianksi________
    Sagna–Vidic–Koscielny–Evra
    ____________Essien_____________
    Walcott–Nasri–Van der Vaart–Bale
    __________Drogba____________

  51. goonergerry

    Despite fielding a weakened team, that game was salvageable. We were pretty dire in midfield- the performance reminded me of those at the end of last season. When we are weak in the central midfield we don’t retain enough possession to be able to use the strengths of our backs-which is going forward- as a couple of defenders they are a liability. Bendtner also does not get the right balls- and cannot hold the ball up like Chamakh- and still has a long way to go. Vela is still a passenger and Nasri cannot play 3 games in a week.
    I go along with others I think we need another defensive midfielder with greater physical presence and another top forward. Given our record with injuries we may have to field a side like this again- and I cannot see them beating anyone.

  52. Keyser

    Phew, could see loads of people needed that loss to calm the nerves and get their minds back on track, it’s better for them that they don’t give in to hope, don’t think they handle it too well.

    Didn’t see the game, saw the highlights, poor mistake by Clichy, Eastmond a bit unlucky, hard to tell with Theo, he basically passed the ball into the net from 20 yards is that him being Super-confident or just panicking early and taking the keeper unawares ?!

    Either way, the loss means pretty much fuckall once we qualify, if we do (just for the doomers), onto the next game.

  53. luke

    Samir-

    Reina
    Sagna-Vidic-Vermaelen-Evra
    Cesc-Essein-Yaya Toure
    Nasri-Drogba-David Silva

    Subs-Cech, Terry, Bale, VDV, Song, Walcott, RVP

  54. Chris beef

    agree with QoS @17:39 although i though Clichy was his usual average self – back to his poor crossing.

    I seriously do not understand how premiership footballers can be so poor at crossing. Sagna has improved this season but he is still not a good crosser. What do they do in training all day?

    Also agree with QoS @19:58 I don’t think Rosicky is back to his best. When he first came here he used to have a great shot on him – would always have a decent shot from outside of the box. He’s not been the same since that injury.

  55. Stu

    Vermaelen? He hasnt played since august and you have him in your form team? Odd choice but whatever.

    Disgusted we lost last night and it was all our own fault…as well as the ref of course 😉 The fullbacks were responsible for both of Shakhtars goals. Ebowie because he cant tackle and Clichy just because he is shit.

  56. Keyser

    I don’t think there has to be end product from him neccessarily, if there’s plenty of other goalscoring threats from elsewhere.

    It was the same with Hleb, we only struggled when we had to rely on Hleb to create or score goals and he didn’t push himself.

    Hleb dropped deeper, Flamini stuck with him, Rosicky pushed on, Van Persie and Adebayor scored goals for fun, as did Fabregas with the freedom in knowing that Hleb wasn’t going to lose the ball cheaply.

    Rosicky was scoring goals then, I don’t think he has it in him to be up there posing a goal threat and to track back and make up the numbers in midfield, but that’s what Hleb did anyway.

  57. Rohan

    Rosicky seems to have lost his shot. He used to have the best right peg on him in the team at one point. He’s scored some absolute rockets in his life.

    He does make us tick though and his guile and experience is invalulable but he’s best suited when he isn’t required to be a main creative influence. He’ll be best suited when Cesc is available and if we want to replace Arshavin to give us a better balance against the bigger and more physical teams where we need to be at the top of our game.

  58. incesc

    gotta say

    harsh on eastmond today in the report

    young guy in shaktars cup final.

    thought he did OK, and a good experience for him to realise where he needs to be.

  59. JJ

    I hope Gibbs gets back soon because Clichy is useless in attack and dire in defense.

    I don’t know why our backs get caught wrong side so often and don’t learn.

    Incesc – The reports weren’t harsh. He was just way out of his depth. The midfield trio were too far apart positionally to combine and that made things worse for everyone.

    I don’t blame Wenger for playing Eastmond as there was no one else to choose from. I would have told Rosicky to play deeper though and asked Nasri and Walcott to come back and help bring the ball up the field more often.

  60. Keyser

    Think he’s just giving us something to talk about.

    We’ve got a goal threat, we’ve been decent defensively or we’ve got new faces in that make us feel like they might have something more to them, we’ve still got injuries.

    What we lack is efficiency, people can talk as much shit as they want about how this is the same team that’s been failing for the last few years, simple fact is it’s not, every year we’ve seen new players come in.

    Going away to Shakhtar isn’t easy for anyone, only a week or so ago people were saying the group stages are too easy, it’s not a test at all and we can’t gauge how good this team is it from it, now as soon as we lose it’s something that epitomises what we’ve seen for the past few years.

    I’m glad the loss came in a compeition where we should be able to qualify with ease still from, because several of the players do need to learn how to get through tough away games like that.

  61. JJ

    Rohan – I agree with your Rosicky comment. Where the heck has that howitzer shot gone?

    That said, I don’t like seeing AA and Clichy on the same side. AA doesn’t defend and Clichy is MIA too often.

  62. JJ

    Keyser – How is that loss beneficial to us? You say that several players need to learn how to get through tough away games like that.

    We haven’t won a tough away game in forever so how does taking more losses help us.

    We need to WIN a tough away game. Learning how to win these games is what we need to do get to the next level. We have plently of experience in losing these games already.

    I hope Wenger changes the side significanlty for the weekend so that the loss of confidence is mitigated. We have a bad habit of imploding when we take a loss…

  63. Keyser

    JJ – It’s not beneficial exactly, but it’s not the end of the World is it, far far from it and the whole point is that some of them will need to learn from experiences like that.

    We beat Man Citeh, but you’ll say we struggled and they had 10 men, we went to Belgrade and won, but you’ll say it was scrappy and they’re crap anyway.

    Look at who’s playing and what you think our team should be week in week out. It’s only a habit when the same playrs are doing these things week in week out.

    You could point to Clichy or Ebway, but I’d still say our problem starts from the front, we went in front then I’ll bet we invited pressure on to us until we cracked.

    We’re still not as efficient up front as we should be, but that’s not surprising is it, that run from Walcott was as efficient as it gets, so it’s not a problem of talent, it’s a problem of execution.

  64. Keyser

    Also the reason we do end up losing another game after ones like that, is partly down to how reguarly we change the team.

  65. Kushagra India

    Rosicky has done well from the bench .He is still not near the form he showed in 2007-2008 season .Arshavin is a better option from the start

  66. elvi

    when wenger will turn serious for titles …always say young boys…same excusse,,, saying young boys must or had learn from this defeats……for how long… wenger must not say this..any nore ..anyone there to force him to use the money we have in bank for players… he should spend atleast 30m for few players…to strength our arsenal…or wenger being cowords inside…to face chelsea ,city and manu…

  67. elvi

    when wenger will turn serious for titles …always say young boys…same excusse,,, saying young boys must or had learn from this defeats……for how long… wenger must not say this..any nore ..anyone there to force him to use the money we have in bank for players… he should spend atleast 30m for few players…to strength our arsenal…or wenger being cowords inside…to face chelsea ,city and manu…without excuesse

  68. confidentgoner

    The problem with this team can be traced to complacency endorsed by AW and the board . The players are always in their comfort zone