Arsenal win valuable point with excellent result + Transfer update

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I honestly believe we’ve pulled a very good result out of the bag. I think Liverpool will improve vastly on last years league position and I’m sure they’ll take points off the others in the top 4 scrum. You have to remember that we were missing Cesc, Robin and Song and we had players like Diaby who have hardly trained this preseason. We fielded the inexperienced Jack Wilshere, two Premier League debutants and a keeper not fit for purpose.

When you add all that up, it’s surprising we came away with anything!

I was also pleased with the goal we conceded and the overall sloppy performance from Almunia. He was given the captains armband in a weak attempt to instill a bit of confidence… the plan clearly didn’t work and he was typically diabolical all game. He flapped at 3 crosses and he didn’t react quick enough to the N’gog finish. A sad way to end a below average career at Arsenal. I hadn’t heard much about Schwarzer from the people I talk to regarding Arsenal but yesterday I was told we’ll secure his signature within the next ten days.

Not one to spread rumours, but him not being fit for Fulham’s first game has about as much credibility as my jokes. I heard we’re looking at 1-2 centre backs and the preference is British. Here’s hoping! When Wenger says that people aren’t selling, he’s not lying. Apparently there is a lot of truth in the Mertesacker, Jones and Jagielka stories.

We want good players but we’re not after them for silly money. If we bought Jagielka for £17million off the back of that serious injury and he broke down Robin style I think people would be calling for Wenger’s head. I guess it’s a similar story with Mertesacker, his height and presence is appealing, but the guy is error prone. If we bought him for £20million and he flopped, it’d be embarrassing.

The interesting thing about all this is that the only clubs in Europe with any money are City, Arsenal and the German clubs. Why aren’t teams selling? It should be a buyers market. Or is it like the stagnating housing market in the UK at the moment? People can’t buy because sellers have unrealistic price expectations?

I feel like I’m making excuses for Wenger here. The one thing I find incredibly incompetent is that we’ve taken so long to secure a new keeper. There is no excuse on that front and in a league that could be decided by a point, I find it maddening that we’ve already dropped two because of a keeping error.

Anyway, Arsenal dominated the first half possession statistics in embarrassing fashion.

Eboue was marauding through the Liverpool midfield taking any opportunity he could to plunge to the floor and feign injury. The guy is still an embarrassment to the club with his behaviour. Still, the resulting freekicks gave us a few chances, Thomas Vermaelen going closest with a rasping 30 yard striker.

Johnson was the first to test Almunia with a high central shot that was tipped over. The following corner found Ngog who was denied by Clichy on the near post.

Joe Cole was sent off for a very silly challenge on Kozzer. A tackle that saw our French boy stretchered off.  Chamakh was being offered no service whatsoever and our key players were given very little chance to express themselves. Liverpool were woeful.

The second saw the Koz come back on with and egg sized lump on his shin for his troubles. People have told me one of the Frenchman’s best attributes is that he’s a fighter and he has the right attitude. He was going to need that with the introduction of Torres. One area of his game he’ll need to work on is his ability to deal with aerial balls. He was beaten by N’gog early in the second half when perhaps he should have done better. All part of the steep learning curve. He looks sharp on the ground and he’s fast.

Our first goal was conceded after a catalogue of errors, N’gog was threaded through and he beat our captain at the near post. At least 5 mistakes were made in the build up to the goal.

1) Clichy had the ball passed through his legs

2) Arshavin made a poor pass

3) Jack fluffed his touch

4) There was no holding midfielder clearing up at the edge of the box

5) Almunia was beaten at his near post by a soft shot in my opinion

Arsenal brought on Theo and Rosicky and we lost Eboue and Jack. I’ve read some criticism of the young Englishman and I think that’s bang out of order. He’s 18, hugely talented and he just started against some of the worlds best midfielders. He deserves patience.

Theo, surprisingly changed up the game. He moved up top and his speed created a bit of a fear factor. He didn’t really do anything too spectacular but the fact we can bring two players of their calibre off the bench is very encouraging. Theo bent a freekick around the wall only to be denied by a tidy Reina save. Wenger should take note of how well other players took freekicks today.

Rosicky swept into the box off the back off the back of a lovely one two move with Arshavin, his shot impressively tipped over by Reina.

RvP managed to keep an Arshavin back post cross in, but Theo couldn’t capitalise on some Reina indecisiveness.

In the 89th minute, Rosicky floated an average cross into the box, Reina squinting in the sun didn’t come for the ball allowing Chamakh to nip in front of him and get a touch that hit the post, the ball came straight back at Reina who could do nothing other than bundle the ball into his own net.

What is it with Spanish keepers?

The game could have been killed off when Theo broke into the box with three players on hand to slot the ball home, instead of playing the ball to feet, he decided to go back post with a floated chip. Typical poor decision making from Theo. The ball went up the other end and Kuyt was dispossessed with a kick to the nuts by Kozzer. He picked up a his first yellow. Gerrard had a freekick 25 yards out that was saved by Almunia.

Koz still had time to make his mark on the game when he handled the ball and received a debut red card. Am I upset? No way! He’s one of the boys now!

After 5 painful minutes of injury time, 20 players finished the game and a point was shared.

Now we have a whole bunch of easy games coming up, we’ve got a full squad of players to choose from (Bar Rambo who is now running) and we’ll hopefully have a new goalkeeper and a centre back to get excited about.

Today wasn’t perfect, but remember, we’re not 100% fit, we’re missing key players and we don’t have a proper keeper.

Arsenal know what they have to do to make the league their own this year and I truly believe we’re going to bolster. Keep the faith for two more weeks Gooners. I’m pre-empting a great squad and I have no doubt we’ll be up there come this end of the season.

Could this be our year?

Let us know in the comments section!

Update: Track this seasons players ratings through google!

Player Liverpool (A)
Manuel Almunia 5
Abou Diaby 5
Bacary Sagna 6
Thomas Vermaelen 7
Laurent Koscielny 7
Tomas Rosicky 6.5
Samir Nasri 7
Robin van Persie 6
Theo Walcott 6
Jack Wilshere 6
Gael Clichy 6.5
Andrey Arshavin 5
Emmanuel Eboue 6
Marouane Chamakh 6

P.S. Check out the new site from the boys over at the Gunning Hawk, it’s taken them all summer and it launched over the weekend..

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  1. chippy

    Yep, And if anything after a poor world cup and back end of last season we could be signing a keeper thats on the decline and when they go they go quickly !!

  2. Jimbo

    Why what is bollocks, Sam, that Schwarzer is supposed to be the best keeper at claiming crosses in this league?

    Just watch some of his games – start with the WC, and work backwards.

  3. KM

    Is it me or our players did not look 100% fit?

    i think its going to take abt a month for our squad to get into the groove…we looked sluggish for some reason

    Re. the Ngog goal – I think the goal was quite funny – Kuyt nutmegs Clichy….then seconds l8r Arshavin plays a dodgy pass to an unaware Wilshere ( Jack should have been more switched on and maybe Arshavin should have chose a safer option)…..however Ngog’s goal was a rocket. Imo Alumnia should have at least got his hands to it….i thought he reacted late which is poor from a guy earning obscene wages

  4. Paulinho

    Keyser – I was waiting for you to bring Hleb up. Can’t let him go can you? 😉

    No he didn’t do that. He used to go past a player or two – and then lay off a simple pass. This simple pass was alot more effective because of the players he had taken out of the game (by going past them), and the opposing team losing their shape as a result(due to another player vacating a position to close him down). Thus Hleb passes to a player in space in advanced positions.

    Nasri DOESN’T go past anybody. As I said, he actually runs up to them 0 then turns his back on them, and passes backwards or sideways. A benign pass that gets us absolutely no where because the other team still have their shape due no one has been dragged out of position.

    His goal against Porto showed he can do it but he chooses not to, or simply cannot do it in the premier league.

  5. N21 TONE

    Gambon – you are right but our fucking club have reduced to getting exciting about signing an average GK…

  6. David

    I cant believe people are making excuses for Almunia’s rubbish yesterday.

    What a joke?

    Are these Arsenal fans at all?

    What part of getting beat at your near post is good enough?

    Bend Foster gets beat at his near post from an Arshavin shot and never plays for United again.

    You excuses filled apologists make me sick.

    Please go support West Brom.

    Keepers like Almunia are okay for teams like that.

  7. chippy

    He did get his hand to it didnt he? Thats why im in two minds as to whether he could have or should have kept it out,

  8. incesc


    they all jetted off around the country for friendlies last week.

    its no wonder they didnt look fit, worst friendly timing ever.

  9. leon

    i dont think scharzer is worth that much he 37 how much to fulham expect to get for him i would not be suprised if wenger is looking elsewere as well,but i would prefer almunia to stay as number 2 keeper,wenger will only let one keeper go not 2 i think it will be fabianski and clearly wenger trusts almunia more than fabianski.

  10. KM

    Rosicky looked like he was reborn y’day. If he plays in that same vein of form he’l give Nasri/Arshavin a run for their money. I’v also noticed Arshavin picks up his game when he’s playing with Rosicky & Cesc….

    I think its time for Wenger to play 2 attack minded AM’s in midfield.

    Rosicky —- Cesc

    a bit like the Barca formation….where Rosicky is Xavi and Cesc is himself 😉




    i know a lot of u will say WTF? But we know Arsenal cant defend to save their life so its better if we have our best players on the pitch so they can keep possession better which means we dnt lose the ball 😉

  11. Keyser

    Paulinho – I knew it was a loaded comment, you were just trying to get back onto your favourtie topic, but I weighed it up, and thought it’d be fun to see how you’d work your way around it all.

    Especially to make Hleb look good.

    I loved Hleb, but yesterday Liverpool played well like they usually do and I can’t remember many instances where players were pulled out of position of where they lost their discipline.

    That’s pretty much the point, I know you love to try and make yourself look insightful, you’re not on your own there of course, but it’s a bit harsh to single Nasri out when you consider we did do well defensively, whether thats because Liverpool were content to sit back or we didn’t push on is irrelevant.

  12. A

    yeah gambon he’s far from a wonder keeper, but the one thing that he is very good at, is exactly where we’re lacking. He isn’t going to make loads of wonder saves, or show great agility, he isn’t a world class overall keeper, but he is imo EXACTLY what we need, whereas Given is EXACTLY what we don’t need, and I’ll be very annoyed if we got Given over Schwarzer

  13. Sam

    David, not to forget that was a rocket from Arshavin and Foster made what turned out to be the match turning save of RVP early in the second half.

  14. Keyser

    Hleb worked around players well, even if he pulled them out of position you still need others to attack the space, Liverpool never left many gaps, I think any chance of them doing that was lost after they scored.

  15. Jimbo

    What people think we need is what we lack.

    We’ll just be begging for a faster keeper with better reactions after watching Schwarzer for a couple of months.

  16. KM

    Also how funny was Reina’s cock-up? 😉

    However fair play to Chamakh for getting his head to the cross. you’v gotto give him credit

  17. KM

    When Hleb,Flamini were in their last season and with Ade as striker, we played amazing football – football which also had end product. Since then we’v caught some sort of disease….keeping the ball but doing nothing with it – its just bewildering!

  18. timao

    anyway football fans i’m not even sure you can call that an example of the goalkeeping crime of being at the near post – maicon’s goal against n.korea is what is meant by that. ngog just smashed it in the top corner…

  19. Paulinho

    Keyser- They never left any gaps?

    That’s my point. A dribbler commits a player, goes past him, and voila, a gap is left. Agricultural brainless players like Sagna then have a purpose and free lane so they don’t have to think too hard.

    It’s true Liverpool sat deep but our play was ridicously lateral and powder-puff. If you move the ball at snails pace with no movement then expect the opposition to look like they’ve left no gaps.

  20. Supergunner07

    Pedro says:
    August 16, 2010 at 12:52

    Gambon, I’m not sure who city are flogging, but I like Kompany, Given and Bellamy.

    Good players who could deliver anywhere.

    I think the Welshman would be more effective than Silva…

    Mancini wants to change City’s style from counter-attacking to more possession based with his signing. If dynamism is preferred then Bellars all day long BUT Silva is more intricate possession is preferred however physically he can bullied.

    With their fixture list expect defensive City until their difficult fixtures at the start of the season is finished.

  21. Sam

    Paulinho, this is the 1st game, we have 2 of our most creative players missing in Cesc and RVP and our best DM missing in Song. So all our 3 mids had to be cautious of being too attacking. We cant have too many creative midfielders and keep them happy at the same time.

  22. chippy

    If mancini insists on playing 3 DMs he will be gone by Xmas the Arabs wont have spent 250 mill on football that would knock you out better than any horse tranquillizer,

  23. Sam

    SIG , why does he need to learn?

    He is still No 1 despite doing all that. And he is captain (even 3rd choice is too much) on the 1st day of the season. How do you expect him to learn ?

  24. Keyser

    Paulinho -No it’s not your point, think about it, how many times did Hleb actually break the line of defence and either get in behind or take a shot ? Very rarely.

    He didn’t really beat players then, especially against the top teams, he just as regularly dribbled AROUND them in front of the defence from one side to the other, or he’d dribble along the touchline waiting for the player to dive in and commit himself, Liverpool never did that yesertday and like Hleb just ran players into dead ends.

    Where Hleb differed was that most of the time once he’d dribbled himself into a dead-end instead of simply losing the ball he’d be able to find someone else in support or dribble back out, so they could start again, Wash,Rinse and Repeat, mate.

    It’s the first game of the season, away, at Anfield, to Liverpool, we’ve moved the ball far quicker than we did yesterday, but then I’m glad we were a bit more reserved then we should be later on in the season.

    Brainless players ? Give it a rest.

  25. gerrysummerville


    (AP- MOLDOVA) THE Moldovan international goalkeeper Nilain Levroji has lashed Manuel Almunia, saying that the Arsenal keeper has “gotten worse” in terms of positioning since last season, adding that his father’s prize-winning pigeons are better than the Spanish international.
    Levroji has played twice for the Moldovan national team but has been rated as one of the top young keepers in European football.
    Levroji who is tipped to move to the Emirates from Moldovan club Iskra-Stal Ribnit is unlikely to endear himself to Almunia after his comments on his Facebook page last evening.
    The page and the comments were removed this morning.
    Levroji’s father Igor is the top pigeon racer in Moldova and recently won the European Grand Prix event in France — the celebrations of which forced his 23-year-old son to postpone his trial at Arsenal for two days.
    However, Almunia and probably Arsenal will be unhappy with the manner in which the Moldovan stopper was outspoken about his potential squad colleague.
    Posting on social networking site Facebook hours after Liverpool and Arsenal drew 1-1, Levroji blamed Almunia for the LIverpool goal, saying that it was poor positioning that allowed the ball to get past him from a tight angle.
    “The goal that he conceded is typical Almunia. He conceded a very similar one against Zlatan [Ibrahimovic] in the Champions League last season and if anything his positioning has got worse and not better.
    “I know that I would offer much more stability to the Arsenal defence than he does. In fact, father’s pigeons flapping their wings wildly would offer more solidness (sic) than Manny Almunia.”
    The comments were reported in Moldovan media on Monday afternoon and Levroji was refusing to make any statement about them. The deal to bring Levroji into the Arsenal squad in the light of the expected departure of at least two goalkeepers is believed to be almost finalised.



  26. LeProf

    Let’s imagine what Ian Holloway gonna ask from Tony Pulis on simple tricks to defeat us…”Hey Tony, jeez, just how easy to beat the gooner?” “Please Ian, with almunia a stool there? He he he !” “Very funny tony!” “Yeah Tony, my alex baptise will bonk robert huth wife for that!” “Stuff of champions eh, Ian! Bwahahaha!”

  27. Keyser

    Paulinho – Not like I’m badgering you is it ? Well, not anymore than normal, just don’t get how you’ve come to the conclusion you have, sorry.

  28. Keyser

    He’s just beaten Wigan 4-0, with no budget, playing the same sort of football they played all year in the Championship, I really doubt he’ll chat to Tony Pulis about us.

    Quite like Holloway seems like a nice bloke.

  29. gambon

    Blackpool have outspent Arsenal in the last 5 years.

    Although this isnt to point out that they spend big, more that we are a joke in the transfer market.


  30. Arse&Nose©

    Holloway is a good manager. He has praised Arsenal on many occasions and wants to replicate Wengers way of playing.

    Having said that he isn’t stubborn enough to ignore route 1 football as a plan B, and Blackpool will test us in the air.

  31. Maqitlarge

    You have to live and breathe the brand of football Stoke play. You can’t practise it for one week just to play Arsenal and then revert back to what you usually do.

    We’ll win comfortably (certianly control of the game wise not necessarily on goals) on Saturday…

    Pretty tough on Blackpool to get 2 away games to start with though…

  32. Keyser

    Marlon Harewood is top quality, and talent like that costs money, especially when you consider his movie career he was great in Super Mario the movie.

  33. Keyser

    Maquitlarge – I think they might have more than that, they had to get some of their home games reversed, because their stadium isn’t quite ready or upto Premiership standards.

    I think they could be tough, they’ve got nothing to lose and will be on a massive high.

  34. Pedro

    A&N, I think it was one of those, ‘lets get this story in the papers and all laugh at how lazy journo’s and bloggers are’ type of stories.

  35. cemo

    Zargooner so you only want almunia to leave so RVP or Vermaelen can be captain. Not because we might earn more clean sheets and points??

    Very very narrow view…

  36. Arse&Nose©

    sabeel, it is a hoax

    i looked at a few moldova fixtures, even u21 fixtures a few years back and he is in none of the teams

  37. cemo

    ok here’s my say on the game yesterday…

    We looked very solid in the 1st half and had more possesion and looked the more likely team to score, though chances were at a minumum.

    We should have capitalized being a man up but that early goal from a mistake by Wilshere/Arshavin made the game a lot more difficult. Now liverpool had no intention to push forward and were more than happy to defend. After the goal they scored, we were shocked and on the ropes the next 10 minutes or so.

    The introduction of Walcott and Rosicky turned the tie. Now we were more direct and had more chances. The goal that eventually came was just reward for our hard work.

    We looked rusty but a point from Anfield wihtout 3 of our certain starters is not bad. Hopefully better things to come….

  38. incesc

    rosicky was so fired up yesterday to change the game lets hope we have a fired up player on our hands who wants to make up for losing a couple of years of hes career.

    actually would be better than signing joe cole or gourcuff as he doesnt need to gel in, he just needs to keep fit.

  39. incesc

    its more likely given told barton he would like to join arsenal and they both know we need a keeper.

    Give only found out he was number 2 on saturday so its not likely a deal is being thrashed out just yet.

  40. Mayank

    Not to get too excited but did anyone think that for the first time in some years the defence looked calm. Except at corners but that could be deferred to the GK.

    Kos seems to have better positional awareness than Verm.
    Now if only he was 6’3″.

  41. chippy

    Please let it be true ! As i said earlier cannot see it in a million years but fuck it its always nice to be excited by a transfer !!

  42. gambon

    Fucking hell, i never realised just how bad our sponsorship deals were.

    Shirt sponsor money has gone up dramatically & we’ve completely been left behind.

    Man Utd – £20m
    Liverpool – £20m
    Chelsea – £13.8m
    Spurs – £10m
    Man City – £7.5m
    Arsenal – £5.5m

  43. incesc


    koz definatley did look composed.

    hes gonna make mistakes as all players will in their first season but i think he has a very bright future.

  44. ZARgooner

    cemo says:
    August 16, 2010 at 14:40
    Zargooner so you only want almunia to leave so RVP or Vermaelen can be captain. Not because we might earn more clean sheets and points??

    Very very narrow view…
    No cemo i want Almunia gone or to be honest our number 2…. I said one of the benefits (ie the BEST THING) of him leaving would be that we dont sacrilegiously give him the armband anymore

  45. Kreshnik

    We got quite a lot of depth in midfield and attack, get 1 or 2 CB’s for more depth in defense and then Schwartzer or Given and we will do well. Kos dfntly looks the bollocks, much better attitude then Gallas also. A proper keeper would do wonders.
    Now I don’t know if I’m alone in this but I wouldn’t mind seeing RVP on the right, Chamk central, they could be quite lethal, and we also get some decent height up front

  46. BillikenGooner

    I liked seeing Koz outrun Torres even after getting his leg buckled, but I’m still going to rule judgement until he starts facing bigger bodies in the box.

  47. DB10

    “If I get the three players I’ve got on my list we’ll win the Premier League. But the chances of getting them are quite slim.”… Guess who? Arry said that

  48. chippy

    Yes it was a good sign but Torres looked 5 yards of the pace as he did in the World cup, Hes defo protecting his hamstring + groin as soon as he sprinted full pace in the Final it went pop, Ill be surprised if he ever gets back to his true true form he looks to me as tho he will go the same way as Owen,

  49. DB10

    Given’s former teammate Warren Barton told Fox Soccer in the USA when asked if Shay Given will leave the club:

    “I do believe so. I spoke to him and I wished him well. He is one of my old colleagues and he wasn’t sure he was going to start. He is 34 years of age and an excellent professional, and an excellent goalkeeper as well.” He continued.

    “For me there is no doubt he could be at Arsenal football club.”

    Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger was rumoured to be on the verge of signing Fulham goalkeeper Mark Schwarzer, however reports suggest the Frenchman has mad a u-turn on the transfer and turned his attention to the Republic of Ireland number 1.

  50. A

    You never know incesc – he found out on Friday, then could’ve immediately been in contact friday/sat/sun.

    Hope it isn’t true though, much much prefer Schwarzer, think Given would be a mistake

  51. Sabeel Indian Gunner


    Is it possible to have on a sidebar->,
    the average player ratings voted by le-grove bloggers,those who post or not here..basically we can see what the fans average player rating is..

    we can have le-groves ratings and bloggers ratings,side by side…something like below

    Player Le-grove Fans(majority-AKB)
    Almunia 5 8

  52. cemo

    the armband is a hyped up thing anyway. If Schwarzer comes in and Almunia drops to the bench, what does that tell you about Wenger’s view about the armband?

    What role does the armband have? It’s not like the captain can commit more fouls than other players. Now and then the ref calls the captains from both sides to restore order. Fabregas is our best player but is he more vocal or more commanding than the other players we have?

  53. DB10

    Gambon Arry knows what to say to the media. Tell whats the point of having a list if he knows he is not going to get any of the players on the “list”?

  54. Mayank

    Yup Incesc,
    I don’t think the fans will get on his back as much as I first feared. Everyone was behind him. Seems like he can go on to be quite important for us.

  55. Ryan L

    Sorry but don’t know exactly who I am referncing in the comments and don’t have time to go back and looks, but I think it is pretty plain to see that LJW has received critcism for his part in the Liverpool goal and it has been recognised in the comments. I think the difference between the lambasting that Almunia and Denilson get compared to LJW is…………………………..about 160 games !! 🙂

  56. BillikenGooner

    I don’t know if it is a lack of quality wide players or if they have just been coached to try and try and try and try to shove the ball through the middle, but it was very reminiscent of what we would do last season when the pressure was on us to break down a team.

    All the ball movement we seem to have doesn’t lead to the spaces I’d hope for. We need some to make a little space and take shots from outside the box once in awhile.

  57. incesc

    if you look at the difference between koz and silvestre who looked like his boots were made of cement the difference is huge.

    I dont know if he is better than gallas yet but if we get an experienced top cb and keeper we might actually be better than last season.

    happy days.

  58. incesc

    given may not be best at crosses but he is such a good keeper i think he will win some games for us we would lose with fabianski or almunia.

    if he can look good behind newcastles defence he must be decent.

  59. alex


    Hope he stays fit this season, should get chance in the centre if Cesc is out or Nasri isn’t performing

  60. A

    incesc quite the opposite – he made Newcastle’s defence look worse than it really was, because of never stepping foot off his line or coming for any crosses etc. That’s what people were saying on the Newcastle blogs after he left anyways…. They loved him, Newcastle legend, but defenders seem to not like playing in front of him

  61. A

    Pedro – would it not be possible to get a ratings section whereby grovers could all vote once each, so that there were averages for the individual game, and accumulated averages ongoing over the course of the season?

  62. incesc


    at newcastle he looked awsome more often than not.

    i get what you are saying but hes not as bad as almunia or fabianski on crosses is he?

    i know what answer im gonna get


  63. chippy

    No hes nowhere near that bad hes not the best at coming for crosses granted but hes far better in other aspects, This is a goalkeeper that has been in the PFA player of the year twice in 10 years hes far better than Almunia,Fabianski and schwarzer,

  64. A

    depends what you mean by not as bad incesc!

    both almunia and fabianski try to come for too many crosses when they can’t get there, or misjudge it, and as such end up flapping. at other times they do catch the ball though.

    given doesn’t step foot off his line so never comes and misses crosses, but he doesn’t ever take the pressure off the defence by catching the ball.

    it did surprise me when i read that, but it did get me thinking – all the comedy defenders that newcastle have had were perhaps not THAT bad

  65. Wenger the liar

    Pedro –

    You werent joking mate. The guy who is top of the fantasy is 90th on the planet!

    Maybe I should get an Ipod nano for clubman or something


  66. Mayank

    Pedro ask Sabeel, I’m sure he’ll do it for you. Tell him Geoff would appreciate it.

    Also, does anyone think Arsh should be rested for Vela. He’s saying he’s carrying an injury. I know Vela ain’t as good but can he be as bad?

  67. Arse&Nose©

    Given will be murdered if he comes to Arsenal, the man is a midget who sticks to his line and shot-stops. Never comes for crosses, weak at set pieces.

  68. Kreshnik

    Great fuckin idea Pedro

    A … even if we actually programmed something like that, some fuckers might skew the averages so much that it would break the whole system, relies to much on good intentions

  69. incesc

    id rather given on the line saving everything than punching the ball in the net from a cross or falling over and missing the ball and leaving an empty goal or dropping it on brambles head and into the goal.

    I have also lost count of the times almunia has run out fucked up and given Man u an empty goal.

  70. Wenger the liar

    Kreshnik –

    Exactly. Denilson could win world player of the year and still average a 2 on the le grove ratings.

  71. Mayank

    Kreshnik Imdb has a system where they discard the ratinge that vary too much from the average, I’m sure it could be employed here.

  72. chippy

    If Denilson ever wins world player of the year i will run round the Emirates naked signing ive got a foreskin havent you it will not happen FACT !

  73. iamgooner

    if wenger lets given go to fulham and not us i will be truely gutted

    in my opinion shwarzer is no better than almunia and certainly not arsenal worthy

    given is arsenal worthy along with other keepers we are not looking at..

  74. A

    we are weak at crosses/set pieces/high balls

    schwarzer is good at dealing with crosses/set pieces/high balls

    given is bad at dealing with crosses/set pieces/high balls.

    Pretty logical to me which keeper we should be after, regardless of which one would look better on a youtube compilation

  75. arsenal4ever

    @ iamgooner: I really hope Warren Barton was right and he knew something we didnt. He said he is sure Given will coming to us!! Not sure tough as it would be to good to be true!!

  76. iamgooner

    i hope its true but i dont hold much hope at all arsenal4ever

    A – your deluded if you think shwarzer is better than given

  77. timao

    barton never said given was coming to arsenal – he just said he was sure given would do well at arsenal IF he came here

  78. Dick (aka Willy)

    I physically cannot believe there are people on here actually claiming that Schwarzer is no better than Almunia.

    Are you people INSANE??

    I always hate to diss a fellow Gooner or put down their opinion because when it’s all said and done, we support the same cause- but how can some be so blind??

    Schwarzer was the star man at Middlesbrough throughout almost his entire time there. The season they sell him…? They get relegated.

    After arriving at Fulham two years ago – who had only just beat the drop the year before – he helped steady their defence and turn them into one of the meanest rear-guards in the Premiership.

    The greatest thing about Schwarzer is not just his handling or steadiness, but the fact he can actually marshal a defence. How many times have you seen Almunia organise his backline? Never.

    Schwarzer is exactly what we need– someone who can breed confidence into the defence.

    It is an absolute FACT that some of the most humiliating Arsenal meltdowns in recent memory (Anfield away in the Champions League, the 4-4 draw with Spurs, Birmingham away x 2, losing to Spurs away last season, getting hammered away at City 4-2 last season and 3-0 the season before, Barca away, Man Utd home league & Champions League semi-final) ALL could have turned out different if we had a better ‘keeper.

    In EVERY one of those games Almunia is directly culpable for the scoreline. The guy is a total fucking waster. I honestly think he is the biggest reason – bar Wenger’s refusal to spend – that we haven’t won anything over the last five years. It’s like playing with a handicap and at a time when every competition seems to be decided by the thinnest of margins (when was the last time a team waltzed the Premier League, or smashed an opponent in a domestic cup final??) we have perpetually fallen ‘just short’ when having a better goalkeeper could have carried us over the line.

    What’s more, Almunia’s contribution to Arsenal can be summed up with one memory– a penalty save against Spurs in the league 3 seasons ago.

    The guy is a utter fucking clown and how anyone can suggest that signing a ‘keeper who has played in two World Cups, a Europa League Final and kept countless clean sheets for lesser teams isn’t a vast improvement is quite frankly beyond my comprehension.

    I think people will realise exactly to what levels Arsenal have hampered themselves when they finally sign that elusive ‘keeper.

    Schwarzer or Given– quite frankly I don’t care who so long as Almunia, Fabianski or Mannone end up nowhere near our first choice ‘keeper this season.

    And to the guy who a few posts ago said that Given never comes for crosses– I wouldn’t go that far. But then again with his reflexes he’s one of the few ‘keepers who can make up for it by saving whatever comes at him. Casillas is the same, and interestingly, they’re both of a similar height. I’d much rather our ‘keeper stayed on his line and put his trust in his shot-stopping abilities than come out when he’s got no chance of getting to the ball and leaving his goal empty. Almunia did that twice on Saturday and was very lucky to get away with it. Plus, Given – like Schwarzer and unlike Almunia – can also give a defence instructions.

    I’m just astounded it’s taken us this long to replace the guy.

  79. A

    schwarzer isn’t better than given overall iamgooner, but he’s much better than given at commanding his area, organising his defence, and dealing with crosses, set pieces, and high balls.

    given is a much better shot stopper, better reflexes and more agile.

    we suffer much more from an inability to deal with crosses etc rather than shot stopping

  80. Le Invicible

    Neither Shay or Shwarzer s the answer and to be honest, I’m ashamed that these are the two GK’s e’re linked with.

    Fucking shambles

  81. iamgooner

    fuck whatever.. the goalkeeper situation is boring me now..

    lets talk about something differant

    whos replacing fabregas next year?

    gourcuff does look good

  82. Stu

    Our problem with keepers is that we always concede from hardly any shots while it often takes us 15 to score just 1. Teams are just incredibly clinical against us.

  83. cesc

    given or schwarzer any1 is better than bloody almunia or flapiansky but imo we should sign given wouldnt mind schwarzer though

  84. Stu

    Its the defenders jobs to deal with crosses. The keeper cant be expected to claim everything that comes into the box. Thats Fabianskis problem, always thinking he has to claim the ball because he thinks/knows the defenders wont.

  85. Stu

    We also need a keeper that will fuck the defenders out of it if the oppo get a shot off…even if its off target. Almunia always has the same dopey look on his face regardless of the situation. How about screaming at the defence once in a while to tell them its not good enough letting the oppo shoot.

  86. A

    It’s everyone’s job to deal with crosses, not just the keeper, not just the defence.

    A keeper who was good at it would make a big difference though

  87. Dick (aka Willy)


    re: Who will replace Fabregas, Gourcuff?

    I watch a lot of French football and Gourcuff is a good player, but he’s not at Cesc’s level. No way.

    For starters Gourcuff (24) is a year older than Fabregas (23) and only started playing regularly (i.e. as a guaranteed first-choice starter) just over two seasons when he moved to Bordeaux from AC Milan.

    While he can match Cesc’s technical ability and range of passing, he doesn’t have Cesc’s engine or his consistency in front of goal. Don’t me get me wrong, I like Gourcuff, but someone like Ozil looked a lot more akin to Cesc, and – being a few years younger than both Cesc and Gourcuff, suggests he’s the type of player who will get much better.

    I think we should try and keep hold of Cesc as long as possible. The only way to do that is to start winning things.

    First up? New ‘keeper…

  88. timao

    sigh… cesc will not leave next year. or the year after that. or the year after that. so there’s no point in talking about who will replace him for aqt least another 3 years – by which time hopefully wilshere will be good enough that we don’t miss him. but of course the team will have evolved quite a bit by then.