Promises Broken? / Strip him of the Captaincy / Defender deal?

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Around this time last year I remember walking down Pennard Hill at Glastonbury when a girl flew out of a tent off her face on everything and told us all that MJ was dead, this was a moment of great hilarity as the guy I was walking with had recently lashed out about a grand for tickets to his o2 gig in the hope the hope of flogging them to pay of some unsightly credit card bills.

Oh and we laughed!

Something that weighed more heavily on my mind than the pop music tragedy was whether Arsenal would sign the right amount of players to compete. Actually, come to think of it, I think I’ve been wondering the same thing for the last 5 summers?

I also wondered how awkward it would have been had MJ been a Hammers fan… Imagine him having to sing ‘ I’m forever blowing bubbles’… the last thing Jacko would have needed was more allegations about his private life.

So the reason I bring the question up is that Felipe Melo has now hit the main stream in a big way. He binned us off last year for the Old Lady, it all went terribly wrong for him there and plenty of blog geeks came running over to Le Grove to tell us how stupid we were for suggesting Melo was a good idea. Well, people of no Brazilian faith, guess who has come good? Felipe Melo is receiving rave reviews as the tough tackling enforcer for Brazil and even worse for my disposition, Gooner legend Gilberto is also playing really well!

‘Oh but his legs were gone’

Were they gone? Or is that just something Arsenal fans tell themselves to make players like Denilson (Who is so painfully slow at 21) seem like an acceptable choice. Gilberto loved Arsenal and he clearly could have still been doing a fantastic job for us. That’s part of our problem, once a player gets past 30, we have no time for them whatsoever.

Why hasn’t this Sol Campbell deal been sorted out yet? Surely one of our best players of the past 6 months should have put pen to paper by now? Why is there no update from Arsenal on that subject?

Where is our new Polish defender Kolossus (We’ve got to start figuring out nick names)? I thought we were promised a signing by Friday? What could possibly be holding up the deal. It’s not like we’re trying to buy from a European powerhouse here.

Everything with Arsenal takes an age to agree. What happened to the days when Freddie Ljungberg would have a fantastic game against England, the next week, he’d be ours? All this farting about is so frustrating.

It’s interesting that this time last year, we were talking about making the type of signings that would make Cesc want to stay with the club. Well, now we’re a year on and we’ve not made those signings and guess what? Our captain no longer wants to be at our club.

You can get all lawyerish on me and point to the fact that there are no quotes, but by doing that, you’re only lying to yourself… like the bloke who says his girlfriend would never cheat because she is special.

The Spaniard isn’t stupid. He doesn’t go out to Spainish band camp and tell all his mates about how amazing the Arsenal squad are. I also don’t think too many of the other Spanish players ask where Almunia is when Cesc checks in, or try to confirm if Eboue really does have super powers, or if he has met Songs imaginary friend in the flesh.

He’s watched a lack of investment year after year and he knows he’s probably going to get more of the same this summer. If you needed confirmation about his desire to leave, check back through the archives to see how rapidly he has denied stories about his departure over the past 3  years… then overlay those time scales onto this summer.

So that begs the question…

Do we want Cesc as our Captain next year if he’s prepared to treat the fans in this way? Are you happy to know that the man representing our club as the on pitch leader has been thinking about other clubs in a quite perverse way this summer? I don’t think I am… why am I thinking along these lines?

Well the club captain should be Mr Arsenal, 100% commitment to the cause and the other players should want to follow his lead. What have the youngsters seen from Cesc? Well, when you get good enough at 22, you try and engineer a move away from the club.

That’s not good enough.

Who could takeover? How about a real on pitch leader like Thomas Vermaelen? How about someone who has never spoken about returning to his boyhood club like Robin Van Persie? At a push, if he’d shown good enough form over the last year, I’d even go as far as saying Gael Clichy. I think those three already have a passion and love for the club to rival Cesc’s, especially this summer.

Now don’t get me wrong, I’d hate to see him go… but this is Arsenal, the greatest club on the planet with the greatest fans and no one is bigger than that, not Thierry, not Paddy, not Bobby, not Adams and certainly not a captain who has lifted the grand total of zero silverware for us… always remember that.

See you in the comments Grovers!

P.S. I was disgusted to see Torres diving to get a man sent off last night. I’m not surprised though, the Spanish have less moral fibre than the nonce wing at Broadmoor. I felt sorry for Chile until they realised they were going through and struck a non-verbal agreement with Spain not to play the last 20 minutes of the game. Disgusting to watch and worthy of a FIFA investigation in my eyes…

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  1. sixx pac

    No one good enough to be captain? Thats a bit high dont u think. Rvp, AA23, Gael, Thomas Vermaelen.


  2. incesc

    tony adams


    no six pacc we havent had a captain since them and the ones we have had since are better contenders after cesc.

  3. SUGA3


    I would have AA as a captain – does it well enough for Russia and does not strike me as a type who is prepared to accept second best…

  4. Nick

    Since no one really knows the whole truth, and all the Spanish press should be presumed to be liars and fabricators all the time, of course he should remain captain. Do you want to drive him away?

    I must say, the English obsession with the captaincy strikes most of the rest of the world as a bit icky — give it a rest.

    It has to be Cesc.

  5. incesc

    suga3, cheers mate

    as captain of russia there is huge expaectations on his shoulders, hes won club trophies as captain and it always takes a couple of seasons for players to come good, arshavin as captain would be awesome. next season he will be amazing, im sure of that

  6. Stu

    Arshavins form is too inconsistent for him to be captain imo. Was he captain of Zenit when they won things? I could have sworn it was someone else.

  7. incesc

    “I must say, the English obsession with the captaincy strikes most of the rest of the world as a bit icky — give it a rest”



    as if great captains havent been leaders of great teams abroad…

    all winning teams are driven on by great leaders.

  8. Stu

    Its not an english thing either. Im Irish and of course want the best captain possible.. which, if reports are to believed then Cesc no longer is.

  9. Stu

    Seeing as i just effectively shot down your Arshavin suggestion i will somewhat back it up because Arshavin was captain away to Pompey last season and was magnificant. Pointing to where players should be and such.

  10. CedarBayDave

    Hopefully England are much better than the USA were today. The group the USA would have to face to get to the semi’s was the perfect stack for success, but oh well.

    Now back to the transfer market!

  11. zeus

    That was absorbing. Well, tomorrow Messi finally scores after warming up for the past few games, and England will pack their bags and go home.

    Repeat of the Germany v Argentina 1/4 final like last time.

  12. Stu

    Apart from Holland I would like Germany to win the WC if they get past England. I hate Spain and Brazil play too negatively for my liking, even if they are still deadly in attack. I have no reason not to want Germany to win because Ballack isnt there.

  13. incesc


    touve always had a thing for the germans if i remember coreectly, dont you watch the bundesliga?

    i like spains football, hate xavi and co…

    i love nando, think he is exciting as henry in his prime, and i can like him as liverpool are shit.

    He was the perfect replacement for henry and would have come to us.

    wenger, cheers for that one

  14. Tommy

    ffs Cesc should never ever ever EVER have been giving the captain armband.!

    Wenger has always been shite at naming captains.

    what we need is a captain that identifies the club and someone whom we dont need to fear loosing every fukkin summer.

    it should not be a french clown / former chelsea player that has just arrived!! (i cant believe it ever was) !?!?!?

    It should not be 12 year old spanish kid either (no matter hes obvious talent)

    a spanish second drawer flop-a-like goalie should never wear the sacret (at least it used to be) arsenal armband. even is he is just a vice vice cap.

    it pains me to see tbh.

    When Cesc leaves (and it will be this summer) Wenger will name Van p as our next captain. And he will leave to inter milan in 2012 and by then Wenger will pass the legendarie Armband on to some french twat non of us knows yet..

    Guess Wenger knows (him).

  15. incesc

    i guess

    if busquets acts like a cheating bitch one more time i might give up on this world cup but david villa has been superb

    remember when wenger pretended to try ad sign him at xmas

  16. incesc


    i agree our captain should identify with the club absolutely but cesc has dragged us through and turned up to inspire us enough to warrant the armband more than any other these barren years. The fact he is our captain and wants to leave for a place on the bench elsewhere is worrying…

  17. Stu

    Yeah i do admire the bundesliga incesc, havent watched this season though because i dont have the proper channels anymore.

    I dont think you can blame Wenger for not forseeing Torres’ taking to the prem so well. His goalscoring record in spain was pretty shit for someone who cost about 25m. That would be like us getting that for Bendtner now…even if he is worth double it 😉 .

  18. ethangunner

    further proof USA didnt deserve to head the group ..
    its a 3 man team ..

    HA FUCKING HA ! all the twats who big’ed up the USA !
    (mainly just Americans 🙂 )

  19. incesc

    come on torres goalscoring was never going to be a gamble at arsenal.

    arsene made adebyor and anelka look good, torres was always going to be huge and with his injuries a nailed on gooner

  20. gnarleygeorge9

    ….& Canadians 😎

    Now if its good enough for Mick Jagger to get satisfaction from the USA, I’m jumping on England. But only for footie, after the WC I will be back giving Blighty hell.

  21. Gooby

    give the ambrand to LJW!

    more seriously, those stories are all made up by the media and the barcunttlona players like xavi the major twat. They are making everybody believe this shite by taking old interviews and come up every week with one of them.

    sure the DNA does matter but we are the club who made fabregas and he is a london colney trainee, fuck off barcunts

  22. ethangunner

    Gooby says:
    June 27, 2010 at 00:37

    give the ambrand to LJW!

    more seriously
    gooby , i agree .. he is about the same age cesc was when he got it ..

    he is more valuelble LONG term to the club ..
    yes i think your on a winner and its not as absurd as it sounds ..

    if you are to gauge Jack and cesc of similar skill @ 18 …

  23. ethangunner


    I’m jumping on England. But only for footie, after the WC I will be back giving Blighty hell.
    we accept the partial surrender and welcome you on board for a 2 week pass ..


  24. ethangunner

    when you think about it .. cesc already stated he would return at some point , that’s why wenger gave him the captaincy to make him stay and feel a major part of the squad .

    i think the last time we had a truly loyal captain was TH14 minus his last year and Adam’s before that ..

    wenger needs to get this right !
    amongst many other things .

  25. ethangunner

    im almost banking on TV becoming the next captain , for wenger he’s done it at ajax and to be honest the best captains are defenders ..

    he’s my bet to replace the treacherous captain

  26. ethangunner

    you got to have ‘money’ to bet it ,
    you poor mouthed Canadian bet felching Cnut !

    besides you would want odds, like im some casino grande !
    you havent got a fuckin clue !

    fuck off back to ACLF were you give people shit and they are to stupid to realize it ..

    i dont expect much from a Canadian geek like yourself .youve probably never stepped foot into a pub anyhow ! hell your probably not old enough !

    Go search for pubic hairs in the shower you twat !
    leave the sarcasm to the Experts …
    ME 🙂

  27. ethangunner

    sixx pac says:
    June 27, 2010 at 02:50

    Give the armband to Wilshere? Isnt he like 12
    no thats your age !
    now your really getting confused !

    and dont start six-twat …

    if you had a fuckin brain ..
    short of fucking your best friends mrs , going back on a bet is about the 2nd most UNMANLY – WEEVIL LIKE ACTION a man can practice …

    if you both weren’t totally stupid enough to realize it , it shows your character’s right there !

  28. ethangunner

    jack’s got more natural talent @ 18 than cesc ever had @ the same stage …

    jack constantly gets involved ..
    he is a far better all rounder ..
    jack really isnt far off cesc’s ability NOW ..

    providing wenger treats him no differently to cesc ill be happy .. treats him like theo .. and ill be pissed .

    it seems you have be European before you get to play in your natural position .

  29. ethangunner


    just another chance to remind everyone what cunts you both are ! and dont ever think ill let up on it @!

    weasel …

  30. ethangunner

    think of it as a constant community notice im offering to Le Grove .. a public waver .. to warn those betting 100’s of quid that you wont see a penny from your tight asses ..

  31. ethangunner

    what sort of powder puff fairies go back on a bet , then hang around to gloat about being a bet feltcher ..

    sad MF’s right there !

  32. sixx pac

    No thats not sad Ethan. Thats actually funny. Whats sad is a 41 year old man? Who spends his time harbouring hatred towards two complete strangers thousands of miles apart over a bet that they may have or may not have made on a blog.

    Whats sad is someone who starts a debate and when they are out debated they refuse to accept that they are wrong. They then go away for a while and comes back when the other users are gone and claims that there was a power outage.

    Listen Ethan, I try not to insult anyone but if ur gonna insult me then just fuck off.

  33. Drifter

    Ha ha. I missed u boyz. Nite shift has truly returned. It was getting a bit too lovey dovey with ethan and six pac

  34. gnarleygeorge9

    Shouldn’t we be having a look @ Suarez. & don’t say Barca & Manure are up for him, those bankrupt clubs would get the heavo ho if Wenger actually decided to spend the cash he has available 😈

  35. gnarleygeorge9


    I know it might be a ratings bonanza having the ethan v 6 pac/AA23 niggling act, but it upsets Pedro & Geoff. Both set this blog up as a peace loving site 😛

  36. gnarleygeorge9

    To use one of DDM’s sayings, can you 3 get a room 😆 Chamoneeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

  37. ethangunner

    it doesnt upset Geoff 🙂 he’s said i say things he only WISHED he could say to certain individuals 🙂

    oppss secrets out ..

    NO Six – pac .. what is sad is you bet with conviction.
    and didnt honor yourself .. by being a

    might not mean much in that drug smoking hippy country you come from .. but it rates up there with the worst type scum you can imagine in Western society … not paying off your debts is like fucking your friends mrs !

    we all know each other.. not by face … maybe ..

    but if we can enter a conversation so much so we all agree to wager on a bet … you do it and honor it ..

    do you know the cunts personally at
    i think not ! but if you wager you should pay up ! END OF ! and trust me they would make you !

    if not what is the point to begin with ? to have a bet ?

    just be the pussy that you are and say your too poor to bet or you cant afford too !

  38. sixx pac

    Drug smoking hippie country? You watching 70s movies. Read a book or watch the news sometime. We have a lot of problems sure but Thailand is not exactly paradise is it. In fact its far from it. Only thing it has is the cheap whores which probably explains why a cunt like you can get married

  39. sixx pac

    and as for not being able to afford paying out a bet. Dont make me laugh. The thing is I didnt bet with u cunt.

  40. gnarleygeorge9

    I’m actually quite looking forward to tonights game England v Germany. This fixture is undoubtably the biggest grudge match in world football. It used to be England v Scotland the oldest fixture, but anyone with a trickle of football flowing through their blood will watch this. And its Englands turn, quite simple really, Germany has arsed penalty shootouts to scamble across the line in the past, but for their demise they will be able to blame The Kaiser who shot his mouth of too early 😆

  41. goonergerry

    CF clearly wants to go to Barcelona badly-anyone who thinks this is all press speculation is dreaming. You make a great point about the captaincy and it should be Sol-surely resigning him is a no brainer? If not him then TV. If CF doesnt leave-how effective will he be? Is 50m Euros to be sniffed at in this economic climate? I believe selling him is all down to the price we get offered.

    I would not be surprised to see GC and Eduardo leave as well. We should see more young players playing next season. I still believe we can make better use of what we’ve got-even without Gallas and CF and no one else coming in. Thats if we don’t get a load of injuries.
    I am not sure who we will buy- but we are only likely to buy experienced players on top wages if they are on free transfers-because clearly we can’t afford both high wages and big transfer fees. All this stuff about splashing the cash is rubbish. AW will make a net profit on transfers again this year of approx 25m-and this will be spent on reducing interest payments-like last year.

  42. gnarleygeorge9


    I am originally of English & Scottish heritage. It is my right to chose Blighty this time.

  43. Lambo


    Fuck Sakes. I have not laughed out loud like that at this time of the morning before. Very funny..Give it. Take it ??

  44. ethangunner

    sixx pac says:
    June 27, 2010 at 05:20

    and as for not being able to afford paying out a bet. Dont make me laugh. The thing is I didnt bet with u cunt.
    go fuck yourself .. i can call it up … it was one morning prior to the barca game ..

    you said ill take that bet and why only 100 quid ?

    for someone so young you got a REAL SHIT MEMORY !

  45. ethangunner

    gnarleygeorge9 says:
    June 27, 2010 at 06:02

    …mind you the Scottish side of me is not happy 😈
    its alright just tell that side to fuck off 🙂

  46. ethangunner

    quotes please ?

    what ?

    6 – pac the whole of Le Grove knows you/AA23 had a bet with me 100 quid a piece for Arsenal winning the League ! been flat out denying to pay me for months now..&now you just say it ever happened ? WTF ?

    i aint wasting my breath on you ..
    even drifter remembers !

    as for proof i dont need any..
    you spend years looking thru for what you said .

    because i remember what happened ..

    AA23 said it 1st you , like a sheep jumped on board 2nd ..

  47. Rohan

    Remember when people used to bet on Ethan’s house?? Don’t think anyone took that seriously.
    Just leave it Ethan, it ain’t worth it and frankly, it’s getting tedious and boring now.
    As for today, Deutscheland Uber Alles.. 😀
    I jest, I’m going for England winning on penalties.

  48. sixx pac

    Thank u Rohan. Finally someone wiith some sense. Although u can count on him to tell you that ur a kid and that u should fuck off 😉

  49. sixx pac

    You and I normally agree but if ur backing England ur mad. As i said all non English goons cheer for the foriegners

  50. ethangunner

    saying… I WOULDN’T BET MY HOUSE ON IT ..
    and engaging in a 2 month debate on how delusional several certain Arsenal fans put there faith in the manager .. is 2 differing subjects ..

    when someone bets 100 quid its not a joke !
    its called a BET !

    rohan ,

    you just like to debate with me , you just the same , a wet behind the ears 17 year old plonker who knows fuck all about Honoring a bet !

    it would get tedious to you .. you cant even gamble !
    how the fuck are you an authority ?!

  51. Rohan

    I don’t really care who wins but England winning on pens is my prediction not neccessarily what I want.

  52. Rohan

    Has anyone ever honored a “cyberbet” as such? Don’t think it’s very prudent,no.
    Trust me, ethan, if I ever did bet with ye, I would honor it.

  53. ethangunner


    a valuable life lesson.
    dont bet money on a ‘wind up’ or you might be missing most of your teeth after it !

    these cunts felt strong enough not to back down on a bet , i told them to put there money were theirs mouths was and they said HOW BIGGER WAGER ?

    none of it was a joke !

    if it was it was a pretty elaborate , boring one !
    and the days that ensued heard them saying better get your money together Ethan ….

    it only ends up a joke when the losing party LOSES !

  54. ethangunner

    Rohan says:
    June 27, 2010 at 08:08

    Has anyone ever honored a “cyberbet” as such? Don’t think it’s very prudent,no.

    we talk sports and are here every day , betting is a by-product of sport ! … its revenue ! its also a way of following thru on your convictions ..

    Trust me, ethan, if I ever did bet with ye, I would honor it.
    rohan , if you talk to the same person every day for months you cant tell me you know nothing of me ..

    and like you if ever i bet’ed with you i would honor it ..

    because your either the betting type or your not ..
    dont bet with anyone if you lack the conviction to follow it thru ..

    and the bit that pisses me off if i did lose and by some miracle wenger did lead us to victory id be 200 quid out of pocket !


    i wouldnt piss on those 2 if they were on fire in the street ! ..

    they would fleece you before they helped you ..
    you can see the type of person they are ..

    they would sleep with your mrs if you turned your back on them ! ….

  55. Rohan

    Fair enough, ethan.
    It’s just that you may want to just let it go because both of you are going nowhere with this….
    I don’t know exactly what happened so I’ll refrain from commenting further. 😀 😀

  56. ethangunner

    also if you knew a person for 15 years and only betted with them once , you still wouldnt know what type of man they are until after the bet .. so….

    Don’t think it’s very prudent,no.

    is kind of an oxymoron .

    even if you were betting with your brother .
    you wouldnt know if he would honor the bet until that time ..

    but if you SAY LETS BET – HOW MUCH ! then its a fucking bet DUDE !

    and i dont give a fuck about money ..
    i got plenty .. its principle ..

    us English are sticklers for it !

  57. ethangunner

    Rohan says:
    June 27, 2010 at 08:24

    Fair enough, ethan.
    It’s just that you may want to just let it go because both of you are going nowhere with this….

    the cunt has stopped writing 🙂

    hasnt he ?


  58. MickyDidIt89

    Gnarley: off on holiday to Catalonian Pyrenees after WC, and have just bought a book on Catalan Cuisine. Pigs trotters stuffed with snails and how about lobster and chorizo stew. Does it for me!

  59. ethangunner

    in fact

    both of them

    VISIT less 🙂 ,
    & only a fraction of the horse shit they used to blurt out when they do tooo.. !

    its a WIN WIN .

  60. ethangunner

    gnarleygeorge9 says:
    June 27, 2010 at 08:33

    I guess you’d be getting a bit excited about the BiG OnE!!
    i fuckin hate germans 🙂

    in the HAUS , and on the pitch 🙂

  61. ethangunner

    will be tough tonight ..

    been let down since 1986 ..

    to say this is a HOODOO TEAM is a understatement .

  62. MickyDidIt89

    Oh, football talk. Yeah, I would drop Roon

    Johnson King Terry Cole
    …..Lampard Barry
    Milner Defoe Cole

  63. ethangunner

    but it only takes a red card or a rash challenge.
    and the game can go either way ..
    this sudden death stuff seems unfair ,
    and often is ….

    My Ethan tipping % would give England 30 % chance .
    germany 50% . 20 % penalty shoot out 15/5

    or 35 % overall chance of winning ..

    germany have 2 good strikers and a solid goal keeper and a good technician in the center of the park ..

    i dont think any team would want to play them TBO .

  64. ethangunner

    think rooney is up for it tonight . .
    i really do mick ..

    not sure why .. but i feel he is under pressure to score , and when he is forced to he usually will ..

    either than or he will be red carded , but not a chance in hell of rooney being dropped im afraid ..

    got more chance of Carrighar coming back !

  65. MickyDidIt89

    Ethan: I’m not sure their strikers are as good as most of what Terry & Co face in the prem. week in week out.
    Germany were desparately lucky in ’90, and we have thrashed them in two games in Germany recently.

  66. MickyDidIt89

    Ethan, I know full well you are right. I really must put my club loyalties aside, although he is a red card in waiting when he cannot find his form. He will definately start, but one yellow and he should come straight off. Fritz will know this.

  67. bc

    CHILL, not sure if you have noticed, but no one is signing anybody, because the best players have been at the world cup and so have the managers.
    Signings will begin in earnest this week now that 18 countries are already out and another 6 to join them over the next 2 days.
    There is still 66 days left till the transfer window closes