Dan the goat: The low down / A win for negativity! / He’s off to Barca!

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Just before I kick off proceedings, I had an e-mail from Newsnow yesterday regarding a complaint about misleading headline over the weekend. Apparently someone read Sundays headline and thought we really were going to buy two of the most valuable players in the world.

My Grandma who recently wrote a letter of complaint the to the council about the closing of the local haberdashery she doesn’t use has a message for that person…

‘Get a life’

I can guess the type who’d do that but I wouldn’t want to make any accusations about how obvious it is that one of our blog stalkers has been playing dirty. Even if it was shameless hit seeking, our advertising partner is a CHARITY!

Onto something more exciting! Yep… the review of the man they like to call Aliko Dangote (If he does buy our shares, we can cocknify his name to Dan the Goat… conglomeroat sic (he owns one). Has a real Lock Stock feel to it, don’t you think?).

The previously unknown 261st richest man in the world exploded into the mindset of Gooners world-wide over the weekend when it emerged the Nigerian businessman had been identified by Blackstone as a candidate to gobble up Lady Nina’s shares.

So, what do we know about the Nigerian football fanatic?

Well, we know he’s not interested in buying Lady Nina’s shares for £15k a pop. When I heard this was what she was asking for the shares, I said to myself out loud whilst feeding the fish,

‘If he’s an astute business man, surely he’d tell lady Nina where to go with an asking price like that?’

… and sure enough he did.

Still, it’s interesting to know that he is actually an Arsenal fan as well as an enterprising business man. He started off his business after securing a loan from his Uncle in 1977, from there he began trading building materials, he then incorporated 2 companies in 1981 which he eventually rolled into one conglomerate known as the Dangote Group.

This group is like Unilever on speed, they deal in food, packaging, logistics, textiles, iron plus his latest interest… oil and gas.

He is the Golden boy of Nigerian business and he sounds like quite a good guy. He has an active interest in supporting the people. He trains young Nigerians within his business and supports groups that keep the youngsters out of crime… very noble in a country that has many social problems. He is currently employing 12,000 people, expected to rise to 24,000 inside a year.

He is all about keeping his fortune within the Country and developing his nation… This quote was interesting,

“If you give me today $5 billion, I will not invest any abroad, I will invest everything here in Nigeria. Let us put heads together and work.”

If Wenger was a business mogul, he’d say something like this,

“If you give me today $5 billion, I will not invest any abroad, I will also not invest any at home. Lets put our heads together and create some mental strength and some spirit.”

Seems farcical to think that after saying something like that he’d want to invest in the vainest of billionaire play things especially if he’s built a reputation on being a man of the people.

Owning a London football club whilst a chunk of your country sits in poverty might work for Russian Oligarchs, but judging by the noises coming out of Nigeria… probably not there.

In Africa, like many other countries, where there is money, corruption is usually not far away. Like I’ve said before, sticking a cowboy hat on and saying yee haa doesn’t mean you’ve earned your crust without treading on a few peoples toes.

Dangote has faced his fair share of allegations that I believe he has been cleared of. Still, it’s worth reporting on them because no one gave Usmanov the benefit of the doubt despite being retrospectively cleared of a rape charges.

The trouble I’ve found with digging out information on Dangote is that most of the text isn’t in a decent format so it’s hard to tell what is propaganda and what is genuine reporting. Still, if you’re interested in reading about the darker side of Dan the Goat, click here , here and here.

So, little chance of him hoovering up the shares… and probably a good thing really. The last thing we need is another billionaire vying for our beloved club, especially as he, like Kroenke, doesn’t appear to have the cash to run our club any better than we can already. I think he’s worth £1.8billion. That’s Randy Lerner cash… in billionaire terms, he’s making the tea (probably in the literal sense judging by his portfolio).

It looks like Barcelona could be ready to make a move for our second choice right back and first class Joker, Emmanuel Eboue. Yep, he’s looking to secure a move to become Barcelona’s second choice right back. I can see the logic, if you’re going to sit on a bench, best make it a warm one eh?! If he moves, I won’t shed a tear… unless of course it’s a tear of laughter because he gives his exit press conference in that tiger suite. Go on Eboue…  do it, think of your legacy!

Seriously, I’ve appreciated his effort over the last year, but when you’re 26 and still not first choice, it’s time to weigh up your options and think about yourself.

Other snippets include a £14million bid for Gary Cahill which would work nicely for us. A battled hardened defender more interested in clean sheets than sulking on the half way line when things don’t go his way. PHW has also come out to deny there have been any offers for our Spanish Maestro. You’ve got to love Barca haven’t you?

‘Err, how about £30mill becuase we’re a bit strapped?’

How about no?

As the bores are out in force this summer trying to dig out Le Grove and its un-Christian negativity, I thought I’d leave the realists with something to smile about with this quote from James B Duke who is a Professor of Behavioural Economics at Duke University.

‘Depressed people tend to show a smaller optimism bias and a more accurate perception of reality’

So George Graham, Lee Dixon, Martin Keown, Robin Van Persie, Cesc Fabregas, Charlie George, the club level phone operator, Andrey Arshavin, Dennis Bergkamp and Piers Morgan may all be a bit miserable when it comes to the Arsenal… but the harsh reality is, they’re probably going to be right.

We’re in good company Grovers!

I’m off to to listen to my Smiths CD with a very depressed, yet smug look on my face.

A bit like this…

Seriously, it's the best I could do...

Have a great day Grovers!

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810 Responses to “Dan the goat: The low down / A win for negativity! / He’s off to Barca!”

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  1. ethangunner

    the gold and silver is fine !

    🙂 ill let you take the bronze there duke me boy ..

    well he’s got 1 already duke .. chamakh .
    and we must get a new keeper surely .

    i think he will come close ..
    lets just hope 4 dont leave 🙂

  2. chippy

    Interesting article in the Sun today talking to Hleb and him saying Cesc should stay now thats not the biggest snippet he goes on to say Cesc and Clichy have to make there own decisions !! So basically our Gael looks like hes been head hunted as well, I carnt beleive this hasnt really been picked up by anyone yet !!!

  3. Geoff

    Interesting and informative post Pedro, I feel like I know him now and a little disappointed he won’t be joining, still if Nina is asking £15k a pop, it’s easy to see why Usmanov and Kroenke haven’t bought them.

    Happy birthday Ethan!

  4. gambon

    Arsene Wenger;

    “If you give me $5bn i will not invest it abroad, I will give Jay Emmanuel Thomas a payrise. He wants to buy a new car, who am I to stop him.”

  5. Stevie

    Players who can leave Arsenal this years on a free


    Why didnt we sell them last year, did any of them have a future here?

  6. Richaldo

    Best and most informative post of a long long time.
    Spending my morning at work reading about this Nigerian dude…

    No way i reckon he’ll invest, let alone buy into us. I really hope not… bad enough we are from the same town as the Russians… but we don’t want any more dodgy foriegn investment. we are good, we are paying off our debt, and we don’t need a Nigerian accademy…

    I for one may miss Eboue. He’s not, and never has been class enough for our first team. But what he lacked he more than made up for in commitment. And he ‘won’ us a that free kick in the Champions league final….

    on a final note: Fuck off Barca. £80M same as Ronaldo or: FUCK OFF!

    How funny would it be if we sold him to Real and then bought some of their players.

    Mind you – i don’t want any cheating diving spaniards. I want us to buy some brittish grit (Cahill or/and Heart). We can be great again, but not if we keep getting pissed about by these thieving scrouts from overseas.

    Good old Arsenal! We’re Proud to sing that name!!!!!

  7. gnarleygeorge9


    I’d say get Cahill in. He would jump out of his skin to make a name for himself @ The Arsenal.

  8. kpomzi


    I know I was abit upset with all the Nigerian and dangote negativity on show here yesterday but to be honest, pedro, you have really outdone yourself with your research and am quite proud of you. I appreciate your objectivity and that’s what makes le-grove a wonderful website. It was well thought out and articulate and devoid of the unecessary negative spin.

    I am sad though that he will not be investing in Arsenal but being a fan doesn’t rule him out in future from assisting the club, so am contented there.

    I might also have to steal your phrase of ‘ Dan the Goat’ and use it more in Lagos to refer to him!!! Lol


    per mertasacker ahead of cahill

    6ft 5 60 caps and a leader
    and interested and available for 15mil or slighty under

  10. Arsenal Tom

    cahill in and let them have jack for another 3/6 months as a sweetener.

    dangote ruled himself out of buying yesterday didn’t he?

    have a good one ethan

  11. charliegeorge

    Masterpiece of a post, Pedro.

    But do you really believe anything Hill Wood says? How can we really know if Barca have made an offer or not? They’re a clique of inbred liars, from Hill Wood all the way down to the Jose Mourinho wannabe, Le Senile.

  12. ethangunner

    John A says:
    May 25, 2010 at 09:20

    How old r u ethan?
    forty fucking 1 ….

  13. Pedro

    Kpomzi, glad you like the article!

    If you post on here regularly you’ll notice that everyone is game when it comes to micky taking, there is rarely any malice in a comment… if there is, we remove it.

  14. slimshady

    So I take it Flappy will be spending the summer as Le-Chump on the widgets then…. poor bastard lol.

  15. Big Dave

    Feel sorry in a way for Theo, the pundits are allways on his back and the squad is big yet all they want to discuss is Theo, Theo Theo.

    Leave him alone, just let him get on with his game, we know he is no Messi, think their is to much pressure on the lad

  16. Seb

    Seeing as you referenced The Smiths, one of the greatest bands ever, here are some of their tunes, firstly some for our manager:

    – I Started Something I Couldn’t Finish
    – Stop Me If You Think You’ve Heard This One Before (‘mental strength?’)
    – Last Night I Dreamt That Somebody Loved Me
    – I Know It’s Over (bit premature :D)
    – Suffer Little Children (as in young players, not paedophilia -.- )

    One from Cesc
    – Please, Please, Please Let Me Get What I Want

    and one for Mr Gallas and the fuss over his sand buggy antics
    – William, It Was Really Nothing

  17. Steven

    This is the true test of Wenger’s biz acumen.He should of course continue to try t talk Fab into staying.But when it becomes clear that he wont do so in spite of Barca not really having any need for him, it should be time for the gloves to come off…80m pounds or Barca can shut the door behind them;80m pounds or we WILL WAIT for another four years to talk to them.

    That revolving door policy must end up in the dustbin and once Fab goes, surely, the youth policy goes with him. We buy players who can perform and after 3 seasons, AW should run the rule over them…by the way, if Cesc goes, so should Denilson, Diaby and other flopsters, bids or no bids.

    If Cesc does leave, everything has changed, I just hope Wenger realises that and adjusts properly to the said change in the right way…

  18. Rohan

    Happy Birthday ethan
    This is for you:

  19. Rohan

    To continue from yesterday:
    Eboue has already been to Mars; that’s why there are no signs of life there.

  20. charliegeorge

    Will the Wenger acolytes now open their eyes?
    As we await the announcement that Fabregas has left the club…

    By Jeremy Cunnington

    If Fabregas leaves Arsenal in the summer then it will be a momentous moment in the reign of Arsene Wenger. It will be the first time a world class player leaves Arsenal under him before reaching his peak. The fact is that the club captain, talisman and fulcrum of the team does not believe in the manager and his youth strategy nor his plans for the future. This is a damning indictment on our manager’s youth strategy and should be a wake up call to all those who still believe Wenger can take the club forward.

    Wenger: Money burning a hole in his pocket since 2007?

    This failed policy, while possibly needed at the time of the stadium move when money was tight has not been necessary over the past three seasons. It is only the manager’s continued stubborn belief in an unrealistic and flawed strategy that has prevented proper squad strengthening.

    This shows no signs of changing. Even after his charges fluff the opportunity to win the easiest Premiership for over 15 years, winning one and losing five games against the other top four teams, throwing away two goal leads against relegation threatened teams in the last quarter of games, the manager still thinks we only need two or three signings rather than the radical overhaul most fans (and our best player) think we need.

    Wenger’s youth policy has always had two major flaws, which the past couple of months have shown up all too glaringly. The first is that however talented the young players are there needs to be a core of experienced players to teach the younger players how to win things (eg Man Utd in the mid-90s) and also offer competition for places so if a young player performs poorly he will be dropped. For example Nani and Valencia at Man Utd can and have been dropped and replaced by Giggs or Park. This if anything has improved both players in the second half of the season.

    Secondly, players, especially the most talented and ambitious ones, will not stay waiting for the proverbial “Godot” of winning a trophy the “right way”. Players have short careers at the top and cannot be expected to wait around to achieve someone’s vision.

    Take off your Wenger tinted glasses please

    Some point out that we have been for long periods without trophies and to stop being so demanding. Yet that was a different era when there was far more parity between teams and where ambition was a swear word in the Arsenal board room. It is also hardly befitting the facilities we have, or the statements from our board shareholders or senior executives to be a major world force.

    Others, less complacent about our under-achievement and but still supporting Wenger cite financial restrictions caused the stadium move or lack of quality players to buy. Both views are clutching at straws.

    There must be dozens of better goalkeepers or defensive midfielders than our current crop for a start, many of which would have been affordable. There are plenty of quality players out there for a club with one of the most extensive scouting networks as the Sagna and Vermaelan signings have shown.

    Back as early as 2007, the then CEO, the largest shareholder and eventually the man himself have admitted that Wenger has had the money and the complete authority to make these decisions:

    At the announcement of the 2006-07 annual results in September 2007 Keith Edelman said:

    “We gave Arsene a budget in the summer and he didn’t even spend all of it on transfers and hopefully we’ll be able to carry that forward into future years. We have got plenty of financial firepower to make the transfers Arsene wants to make. We had over £70million of cash at the end of the year and if Arsene wants to spend that money we will make it available.”

    Danny Fiszman, then the largest shareholder stated at a meeting with fans in September 2007: “With regards to transfers, only one guy decides – Arsene. We are in a very strong financial situation and if he wanted to spend £100 million, he could. He decides whether a players fee and salary is worth it. It is his decision and his decision only.” And then Arsenal.com on 27 May 2008: “There is no set (transfer budget) amount. But as I said we have always supported Arsène, we have never said no to him and have no intention of saying no to him.”

    Indeed shortly after that the manager admitted he has money to spend when in July 2008 on ArsenalTV online he stated: “Of course I am in a position where I can spend the money. But every time we have done such a great job with the young players that you are concerned do we kill a young player or not by bringing another player in? It is a very sensitive subject which is not specially linked with money.”

    Money, money, money!!

    Then there are the financial figures which seem to back up these statements that money is available: In the fiscal 2004-05 year Arsenal had a footballing turnover of £115 million and pre-tax profit of £19.3 million. In the latest financial year (2008-09) footballing turnover had rocketed £225 million and pre-tax profits to £39.7 million.

    With stadium debt on fixed interest rate and Arsenal selling out and qualifying for the Champions League that was not an issue. Our property investments may have been hit 18 months ago, but many properties were sold before the crash and would not have prevented Arsenal from spending some money. Now as the latest half year results show there should be no impediments to spending.

    Indeed we have been spending money – on the ballooning wage bill. According to the 2004/05 annual report our wage bill was £66 million when we had a squad full of quality experienced winners near their peak (Vieira, Campbell, Pires, Henry, Lehmann etc), to one estimated at around £120 million this season (according to the Arsenal Supporters Trust assessment of first half 09-10 results), where we only have Fabregas, Gallas, Van Persie, Vermaelan , and Arshavin. If correct, this wage bill in on a par with Manchester Utd’s last season with all their experienced, proven winners and is up £20 million on the previous year (08-09).

    Yes there has been wage inflation, and the number of (non-playing) staff has risen to take into account the bigger organisation, but the dearth of experienced international winners in the squad now compared to five years ago should have mitigated the rise, not led to a near doubling over the period.

    I am not suggesting that we would have had the type of money to compete with the silly amounts spent at Chelsea. But spending a transfer budget of around £20 million (plus a proportion of the considerable transfer market profits) a year over the past three years would have strengthened glaring weaknesses in our team, notably in goal, defence and defensive midfield. It would have put us in a far better position to properly challenge for trophies and given us a great chance of winning the weakest Premier League for over 15 years last season. That in turn would help persuade players such as Fabregas to stay longer.

    The only reason why this has not happened is down to our pig-headed manager persisting with a flawed plan, not lack of quality players or money. If the manager will not (and there are no signs that he will), the board, who must also take some of the responsibility for letting this happen, must act now and start behaving like a proper board rather than the manager’s fan club. If they don’t there will soon be regular attendances of 75% full or less for home games watching Arsenal struggle to qualify for the Champions League. This will put in doubt the self-sustainable model and threaten paying off the stadium debt.

  21. Rohan

    I’m sorry but if England play as they did yesterday, there’s no way they’ll even make the semis..As a neutral I jsut find their play so unimaginative adn lacks any exuberance or joy whatsoever. This may be due to the fact that they lack a proper playmaker.

  22. goonerkitt

    Time to come out fighting. Tell cuntseloana its 80 mil cash or fuck off, give us the 10 mil you still owe us or Gai Assulin or we are suing them. Put in bids for Buffon, Cahill, Inler and Gourkeff and tell Cesc we are not afraid to put him in the stiffs for a bit. He will soon lose his place in the Spain squad if he is not getting first team football its not as if they have a shortage of classy ball players is it?

  23. Rohan

    I don’t want a player called Gai. We’d be the laughing stock of the prem.
    What about his brother Strate?

  24. goonerkitt

    Happy birthday Ethan. 41 eh? You can probably remember when we had some proper shit players. Lee Chapman who me and my mates called Douglas Bader (good in the air but two wooden legs!)

  25. slimshady

    okay Pedro!

    goonerkitt – nobody still knows for sure whether El Capitan actually requested a move or not. I personally believe its covert Sky nonsense

  26. Gunners The Stunners

    Morning Pedro,

    Did you do something with the website? The font has changed and the page doesn’t refresh when I refresh it. I have to refresh it for probably 15-20 times to get to the latest comment. At the moment it’s stuck to Rohan’s comment posted at 10.23 and it’s showing the same comment as the last one even I’ve been refreshing it for about 20 mins.

    PS. I don’t have any problem with the internet BTW.

  27. SongtheGreat

    mornin….happy Birthday Ethan :..damned fine post Pedro…so it wasnt a scam from good old Nigeria then..the man realy excist…darn..;

  28. Grimandi

    Morning Grovers,

    What a great post today Pedro.

    Thanks for the insight on Dangote!

    I also love the fact that Le grove is worldwide phenomenon. Our fans are as diverse as our team and I’m glad the blog now reflexs that!

  29. Alco

    MARK GOONER says:
    May 25, 2010 at 10:40
    alco wat madrid have signed angel di maria

    40 Million Euro

  30. Alco

    Rohan says:
    May 25, 2010 at 10:28
    Did anyone see Di Maria’s goal yesterday? FFFFFFFSSS

    Yes againts 11 Hockey player
    Even Maxi scored

  31. SongtheGreat

    Rohan..agreed mate..we could do worse than gettin hleb back…
    16days left to WC…come on wenger..show us your transfer hand….chamakh was great..now get the rest…

  32. slimshady

    Rohan – how do you post video straight on here like you just did with the one a bit higher up?

  33. slimshady

    Oh, thanks gm.
    Fabregas vs Madrid


  34. goonermichael

    I’m having this in a couple of weeks. Should I have it in black or red? I can’t make my mind up


  35. Big Dave

    When you look back on those you tube clips regarding Arsenal to upto date it’s amazing how many assists involve Cesc, quite remarkable. I know we all knew that already.

    What a player he is, so Barca fuck off, make it more like 180 mill not 80

  36. Stel

    no to hleb… c’mon apart from a very occasional show of brilliance he was 1 of the most frustrating players to watch… and re Cahill i’d want the tim variety

  37. goonerkitt

    So Dan the Goat isn’t a Nigerian general who wants to give us 1 billion if we pay 50 thousand admin fee. It would be just like us to lose 16% of our club in an email scam. We are fast becoming a laughing stock. No backbone in the squad no backbone in the boardroom it wouldn’t suprise me if we lose fab4, ebay and chichy for a joint fee of 50mil and a couple of cast offs. God I hate summer no real football and shit stirring hacks making our lives miserable. If they are going to write fiction why can’t it be “arsenal to sign messi, ronaldo, cassilas and torres!

  38. Arsenal Tom

    gooner… because 3 of those 4 (not torres) would laugh at the idea of joining us so its a non starter.

  39. goonerkitt

    Wenger needs a new direction. When the team get to austria forget training just get the 89-91 squad in to restart the Tuesday club, build up some team spirit(s) and comaradery so that the team will die for each other on the pitch. No more coasting along in matches a la Diaby and Denilson. Then off to Pizza hut for some post match fire extinguisher frolics

  40. Walking Wounded

    Mornin’ All

    Lazy post I see CharlieGeorge. Copy and Paste someone else’s opinion and claim it is fact.

    Get real. The Cesc situation hasn’t changed in a week, and still nothing official from Arsenal, so whoever Jeremy Cuntington is, can’t be arsed for his opinion on a dormant story.

    Dan the Goat, like it, Pedro “You Charming Man”. I’m waving my Gladioli as we speak

  41. goonerkitt

    Big Tone was a fucking legend! How many of our current squad do you think are capable of even aspiring to be as good as him?

  42. Arsenal Tom

    Francesc Fabregas, Cesc’s father, believes his son will eventually get his wish to rejoin Barcelona.
    But Fabregas senior thinks the transfer may not happen before the World Cup finals.
    Arsenal rate Fabregas as good as Kaka who cost Real Madrid £60 million from AC Milan last summer.
    He said: ‘Arsenal have to respect the decision and the will of the player.
    ‘Negotiations between Arsenal and Barcelona will be very long. Both sides are going to have to sit several times because the issue is complicated.
    ‘Cesc is now focused on the Spanish team but he wants is to close the signing soon.
    ‘He has always responded to Arsène Wenger with his work and we are also grateful to Arsenal because they made my son a great player. We just want this to end soon.
    ‘At the moment has a contract with Arsenal. I get the feeling that the English club do not want to sell but in the end will finally give in and let Cesc go.’

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1281243/Cesc-WILL-join-Barcelona-Arsenal-World-Cup-says-Fabregas-senior.html?ito=feeds-newsxml#ixzz0owAA3SfP

  43. Arsenal Tom

    gooner… tru! but even those numpties wont go as far as that! they are world class players after all…

    we dont want to buy those at arsenal thankyou very much!!

  44. henry14

    If his old man is saying that then i think it’s pretty much a given. Although i think we all knew that anyway.

    Having said that the issue still remains that they don’t have the money.

    They even made the comment about buying Villa in Installments!!!

    So they want us to sell them Barca for £30M and let them pay us when they want.

    The fucking cheek of it is incredible.

    What makes me sick though is the hacks in this country make out it’s fair – there is such an anti arsenal bias in the media – they want to force players out of the country.

    It’s ridiculous.

  45. Arsenal Tom

    rohan… fab brought this on us this time mate.

    they are scum but fab has courted them this time for me

  46. Arsenal Tom

    i think the bias is more anti wenger for never indulging them, they want him to fail cos he such a know-it-all and never gives them juicy quotes or transfer speculation or 1-on-1 interviews, they have no access to him so just choose not to like him instead

  47. km

    rOHAN @ 10.30

    AGREE WITH U MATE. England are just awful! Also Vela should have finished at least 1 of his two chances

    lol @ the h’hardback’ joke 😉


    madrid have signed DiMaria??? links?

  48. chippy

    Knowing Arsenals negotiating skills we will probably end up paying Barca to take him back !!

    I still carnt quite work out how we only got 5mill and Gallas for cole let only less for Henry than what Bent went for and the same fee we payed for Hleb after a cracking season,

    No wonder Barca try it on theyve fucked us over twice in 2 years and see us as easy pray i hate our Neighbours but one thing the do well is get a decent price when forced into selling i mean 32mill for that wanky Bulgarian !!!

  49. Gunner4Life10

    Cesc should just make an official statement and say he wants to leave then i’ll hate him forever for been a disloyal badge kissing lying cunt !

  50. finestcuts

    I’ve just read what Cesc Fabregas’ Dad has to say about his son joining Barcelona. Wenger should try to keep him for one more season. Cesc wants to fight for his place in Barcelona whereas if he had one more season at Arsenal he would be more experienced and in a better position to break into the team in the 2011/12 season.

    But even if he does go Wenger will have to rebuild the team.

    The transfer has to be huge, with around 100 million from the EPL and at least 20 million from the CL as opposed to yearly installments for Fabregas (10 million over 5 years at 50 million…..which will be the bare minimum price considering that is how much City are willing to spend.

    I don’t think Fabregas will go on the warpath, if we can keep him for another season while Barca save up to buy him we’d both benefit. If PSG can say that about Sakho their captain we should be able to do the same.

  51. gambon

    Hopefully we can all now accept Cesc is going.

    There seem to be a lot of people that think it was all media bullshit.

    Time to plan for the future now.

    Gourcuff please, or even better go back to 4-4-2.

  52. gambon


    How has he been disloyal.

    When he was kissing the badge he was 100% committed to Arsenal, just as he will be until the day he leaves.

    Do you also call Nasri a disloyal cunt?

    What about Arshavin? or RVP? or everyone else that we signed from another team?!

  53. Maqitlarge

    “The negotiations between Barca and Arsenal will be long and hard.
    ‘But Francesc wants a transfer to take place as soon as possible to be quiet during the World Cup, “he said. We’ll see how it ends but Arsenal must respect the will of the player even if he is still under contract. Cesc has always been very pro. Thank Arsenal have been the player he is today, but we want a speedy resolution of negotiations. I think the Gunners will eventually let him go. ”

    Ummm, no we fucking don’t have ot let him go. Our player, we’re in teh box seat.

    Meet our valuation and you can have him.##Fuckking arrogant pricks.

    I take this as Daddy speaking for Cesc here. Very disappointing!

  54. km


    that story means that Wenger has got a battle on his hands to keep Fabregas. I dnt think Fabergas wants to stay…he wants out – BUT the stumbling block will be the money because Arsenal will want it upfront, but Barca will probably want to pay it in installments. This is going to drag on and on.

    The worst thing is that atm he is with the spanish squad until the end of the world cup and all his Barca mates will be brainwashing him every day that he should move to Barca.

    Hleb is right because Fabregas will not be guaranteed a place in the midfield unless Iniesta is moved to LW position….however fabregas has won fuck-all at Arsenal for 5yrs so he’s probably thinking that its time to move on.

  55. km

    If Fabregas leaves, i won’t be angry with him. He’s gave us half of his playing career and we have to respect him for that. He’s not going for the money – he’s not a mercenary.

  56. darrenchallis

    I hope to good we get Gourcuff and a few more World class signings this is Arsene’s kick up the Arse.

    Real Beat Barca in Spain, we win the PL and the CL all next season and Eboue waves his winning medals at Cesc whilst doing one of his stupid dances.

  57. darrenchallis

    There is no Guarantee of winning at Barca it like the SPL 50 -50 in the league and they didn’t win the CL this season. With Maureen at Real he will also have the beating of Barca.

  58. km

    I think its a good thing that Nasri was not selected for the world cup. He has so much talent but is so inconsistent….he is not doing himself justice. If he wants to be a top player he needs to be more committed. The ommission will give him a kick up his ass. I sometimes wish we had a Mourinho type no.2, to fire up our players and get rid of the shite.

  59. gambon


    The thing is, you can be absolutely sure that Cesc will wina trophy before summer 2012 with Barca, likely more than 1.

    I would also bet that we dont win a trophy before then the way things are going.

  60. charliegeorge


    I see you’re not up with the latest news … not that I expected anything different from Basil’s bumboy. I reckon Spurs must be doing the PR for Arsenal right now, because the Arsenal PR man couldn’t be doing a worse job of it. Cesc IS going, get used to it! That article spells out better than I could the reasons why Cesc IS going. Defend a house of cards all you like, mate … sooner or later, it’s all gonna come crashing down, and you’ll be spotted in a drunken stupor, five years behind the times, crying into your Foster’s. Fucking AKBs, the pariahs of our times.

  61. Maqitlarge

    Its so odious isn’t Franchise. I don’t even want England to win the world cup as I don’t want the players to be immortalised national heros. I;d rather they be remembered for who they are (Terry, Cole, Ferdinand, Gerrard etc). Discusting people.

    Cole said in the evening standard last week he doesn’t enjoy football. Its just a job. How fucking insulting is that?! Prick.

    Then compare to other world class sports people in Olympic type sports. They’re so humble. They understand what real people do in their lives. They don’t live in a bubble.

    Oh, poor me, I want to change football clubs. This 6 figures weekely pay ceck has the wrong club on it.


  62. gambon


    Installments wouldnt be a problem. It would likely allow us to get more.

    All transfers are paid in installments, and we should be using all the proceeds on players anyway.

  63. Master P

    FFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 👿

    Cesc’s father, Francesc Fabregas, was quoted as saying on Radio Marca: “The negotiations between Arsenal and Barcelona are going to be very long.

    “Both parties are going to have to sit down several times because the matter is complicated.

    “Cesc is now focused on the Spanish national team, but he wants the signing to be closed as soon as possible.

    “I don’t know how this is going to end up, but I think that we need to respect the decision and the will of the player.

    “Cesc has always responded to Arsene Wenger with his work and we are also grateful to Arsenal because they have made our son a man. We only want this to end soon.

    “At the moment he has a contract with Arsenal. I get the feeling the English club don’t want to sell him, but in end will allow Cesc to leave.”

  64. Arsenal Tom

    km… yeah mate doest look good does it!

    we should say… if you’ve only got 30m, we’ll take that as a down payment… another 40m on the last day of the season next year and we’ll put him on the plane then.

    or if you’d prefer you can fuck off

  65. darrenchallis

    gambon : I know but his chances are slimmer with Maureen’s arrival. And without being negative or trying to be, I hope AW will learn from this, if it happens.

  66. Cannon Man

    Morning. I’d like Cesc to stay and a decent box to box midfielder bought in but all it comes down to is how much Barca are prepared to pay because there’s never been a player that doesn’t have a price. Even given our history, I doubt we’d get less than £60m, that’s IF he goes.

    Primarily, I want an improvement in our defensive game and some decent players bought in to show some of these guys how to win. Chamakh’s arrival will help with this but we lack organisation in midfield and defence. Most teams have players who know where they need to be. These teams also have at least a player in defence AND midfield who takes responsibility and directs the other players. Gilberto/Viera/Flamini were vocal on the field and alerted team mates to potential danger. We don’t have ONE midfielder with enough testosterone to at least attempt to be this player for us. I’d love to see Song shouting at Denilson or even Cesc and the wide players but its never happened and probably never will. I DON’T THINK THE PLAYERS TALK TO EACH OTHER ON THE FIELD MUCH. THEY’VE HAD NO EXPERIENCED WINNERS TO PICK UP GOOD HABITS FROM.

    This team does not defend as a unit and is easy to break down. The number of goals we concede is as low as it is because we have the ball as much as we do. That’s all. Our players display such a lack of aggression and fight that it sickens me. Its as if they’ve been neutered. You never see any convincing passion from the likes of Denilson, Diaby, Nasri, Arshavin, Walcott etc. Diaby for all his size intimidates NO ONE. Part of the battle is psychological and we’ve been suffering in this regard for a while now. Physical size is not necessarily the issue.

    We’ve got some skilful players but they don’t seem to understand how important it is to give 100% in every match. I do think the development/creche culture at the club is the main reason why. Failure to give 100% (not necessarily failure to win) has been rewarded for too long. Anyone with a brain should understand that clearing them out in one flush is not practical but given that the situation has been mismanaged to the extent that it has – and the fact that we now have substantially more financial flexibility – we should be seeing the culling of at least two our half-hearts and some experienced, consistent performers being bought in otherwise its hoping that some of these guys show a noted improvement which doesn’t seem likely to me. What happens when Walcott starts most games he’s fit for next season? Will he start to contribute more than Freddie did from an arguably less advanced position? I don’t know if it was a joke but someone Walcott world class yesterday. World class at being useless? Our midfield will continue to be given the run around while Denilson, Diaby and Nasri – who needs to watch the WC on a treadmill this summer – are given the responsibility of completing our midfield trio. We clearly don’t have the mental strength! We’ve had no one to give these guys a few clips round the ear hole. Even still they’d probably have been sent packing. I see little passion or respect for competition, in the general sense, in these players.

    Of all the top PL teams, we have the most flexibilty in terms of meeting the 25 man squad requirements. I know many don’t agree, but looking at events over the past 2 seasons, I think CM and CB are MUCH bigger priorities than GK. Our midfield troubles are just more easily glossed over, that’s all. All these distractions may end up as an excuse for not strengthening where needed and that’s worrying.

  67. gambon

    I think the thing Wenger should learn is not to pluck kids from the youth system of a team they support.

    They will always be looking for that move back.

    Look at Cesc, Merida & Pique, all came & went home again, it was a bad idea to begin with.

  68. charliegeorge

    Cesc has been lied to, over and over and over. He should be allowed to leave, not for ridiculous money, but a fair price. Without Cesc, where would Arsenal be now? And if he had left 3 years ago, who would have replaced him? Barazite? Randall? Let the boy go and wish him well. Seven years is a long time in anyone’s language. Cesc deserves better.

  69. km

    Mourihno is the devil’s child!

    I’d laugh if he stops fabregas getting hold of titles in Spain 😉

  70. darrenchallis

    gambon. agreed 100%. We have just been a finishing school for Barca. Why send a player out on loan when he can compete at the highest level at such a young age and come back to you when he is still only 23 and has played regularly in CL.

  71. finestcuts

    Not necessarily Gambon. We’ve had good service from Cesc, and we stand a chance of earning a fortune from his transfer fee.

  72. gambon


    I agree we shouldnt resent him, and hes actually right to go.

    But we shouldnt worry about a “fair price” we should be raping them fuckers for all we can get.

    We have all the power here, they have nothing.

    We should set a price and be ridiculously stubborn around it.

  73. charliegeorge

    Mourinho is a fucking genius. He’ll probably end up winning 4 or 5 CL trophies, if not more, whereas the cunt we’re stuck with will have won ZIP! Give the man his proper dues.

  74. Cannon Man

    Cesc should be allowed to leave for what the club that hold his registration think he’s worth. He’s been paid to do a job. This is how life works. Cesc and Arsenal, mutually, are owed and deserve what is stipulated in their contracts. Nothing more nothing less.

  75. gambon

    Youre right there finest, but he is absolutely integral to our game, it doesnt matter what we get for him, theres no way we can replace his infuence in the short term.

  76. darrenchallis

    Maureen will get Pep Guardiola sacked or give him a breakdown with his monster defensive counter attacking team and then fuck off the ManU in a couple of years time.

  77. charliegeorge


    I can’t see how they can possibly keep him. When it comes down to the crunch, they’ll cave in like they always have. You know as well as I do, money comes first with these fuckers.

  78. Big Dave

    Very sad times for our club and the fans, he does deserve better, but WTF are we going to do without him? one of the greatest players to wear the shirt, why does it allways happen to us? the best leave us, going back to Brady, Stapleton to current.

    No one can replace him, I don’t want to see a midfield of Denilson, Diaby ffs

  79. Master P

    gambon, if he really wants to leave, we dont hold all the power, there is no sense in holding onto someone who doesnt want to play for us.

    No one player is bigger than Arsenal.

    I cant find a legitimate reason for Cesc to stat to be honest, and if he does go, fair play, its not as if he has given it 1 or 2 seasons before wanting to go. He has given AW 5 years to fix up and build a team around Cesc. Muppets like Song, Diaby, Denilson, Eboue, Silvestre, Almunia are by no stretch of the imagination, players which are anywhere near Cescs level.

    AW has had FIVE YEARS to address this problem


    Good luck Cesc, whatever you decide

  80. chris

    Brilliant post, Pedro, loved it!

    On the Cesc thing, although I think it’s relevant that he hasn’t come out and said it’s not true like he has in the past, the Barca guy said (I think) It’s important that he has said he wants to come home, perhaps even this season…. sounds like picking soundbites.

    Although I agree with everyone who says he owes the club nothing and we need him more than he needs us I’m not convinced he’ll go this year(like C Ronaldo the year before he left for £80m) and though he’s worth £40m minimum right now, I can only see that going up so I don’t see why Arsenal would take that even if it was being offiered – I also saw on a website that something like £26m was wtill owed between Henry and Hleb – couldn’t we get that paid before they buy more players on tick?

  81. charliegeorge

    A contract isn’t worth the paper it’s written on these days, at least not in football. Arsenal will cave in; Arsenal always have; Arsenal always will. Plus, Basil never holds onto unhappy players …. or is that just another one of his philosophies that he’s prepared to go back on.

  82. Grimandi

    All this myth about winning trophies is blocks!

    At the end of the day if you love your club you will stick with them regardless of trophies or RELEGATION!

    What ever happened to the days when footballers loved their team and showed loyalty.

    A good example is Jamie Carra! Loyal to pool even though they dont win much.

  83. Master P

    The only way Cesc will stay, IMHO, is if we sign atleast another 4 top players PLUS a top GK and get rid of the crap (see comment above)

  84. Grimandi

    I have to be honest and say British players are by far more loyal to thier clubs than European, African or South American players.

  85. Master P

    Grimandi…Cesc has always said he would go back to Barca one day. He has been loyal enough, but this hasnt been repaid by club or manager.

  86. charliegeorge


    Let’s not forget the tiny matter of how Cesc came to Arsenal in the first place … under the cover of darkness, was it not?

  87. gambon

    Master P

    But we do have the power in negotiation.

    We have him tied down to a 5 year contract. Its not the same as the Chamakh situation.

    If they want to wait for him, they’ll be waiting til 2015 when he’ll be 28.

    Its simple, we just say £70m.

    If they say £40m…..we say “youre £30m short”

    If they say £45m…..we say “youre £25m short”

    If they say £55m…..we say “stop fucking about”

    You get the picture.

  88. darrenchallis

    Big Dave
    Brady and Stapleton left us after winning trophies and putting in a good stint, as Did Henry Bergkamp, Wrighty and so on. Cesc can’t even say that and thats why he has waited this long. I’m sure now that if he had won the CL in 2006 or the league last season or the season before, he would have left then.

    But look to the future, I can’t see Wilshire doing that or even Ramsey.

  89. Master P

    Gambon, yes but only to an extent. If he really wants to go and has infact stated this, that surely gives barca more power in the negotiation stakes?

  90. charliegeorge

    There were no foreign players in the old days, and they more or less earned the same money. You can forget about loyalty; in Cesc’s case, he wants to go because, not only is he going home, he wants to better himself. How is he gonna do that playing with a bunch of D graders?

  91. Grimandi

    Master P,

    He is paid enough money to be loyal enough to us.

    We took a kid from Barca, we paid them the compensation and we made him a world class player.

    I 10000% sure cesc would never have been the same player if he stayed at Barca. We played him in our first team from the age of 16, that develops players more than anything else.

    He would never have got into the Barca team at that age.