The irony of resting players… why we can afford Arshavin now!

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The irony of drawing against Cardiff is that the team put out to play that game was only so weak because we were resting players… now we have added another tricky fixture to our schedule. Some people are ok with the draw… but I happen to think we’ve missed a good opportunity to keep a winning streak going… plus risked possible injuries in an unnecessary game.

Fabianski
Sagna Djourou Toure Gibbs
Eboue Ramsey Song Nasri
Bendtner RVP

I can’t understand the persistence with Eboue… The stability argument doesn’t rub anymore… there is nothing stable about a player who gives the ball away 60% of the time… he doesn’t even know which position he is playing in. So why does he keep getting the nod? I was a bit wary about playing Song and Ramsey in the middle… Ramsey becuase of his inexperience and the pressure… Song for obvious reasons. I would preferred to have seen Denilson and Nasri in the middle… Rambo out wide right… Vela left (Or Wilshere due to the injury).

Still, we had what we had…

The first half was a poor showing from Arsenal. We struggled to get any sort of passing rhythm going, we were second to most balls and the midfield, bar Song… didn’t really offer anything. Even when Song is playing ok, he still doesn’t offer us the pace or drive the current set up need from a centre midfielder.

Ramsey was terribly off the pace today and showed why he isn’t yet ready to stake a claim on a starting berth. Eboue was pretty dire for the first half. He was once again deployed in the ‘free role’ and he rarely offered us width. He was harshly booked after going down easily in the Cardiff box… but like I said earlier in the season, when you get yourself a name for being a cheat, that type of stuff happens.

As chances went, Cardiff had the better. McCormick caused us problems all afternoon. He went close early on with a glancing header… he also blazed a shot just wide shortly after. The fact of the matter was Cardiff didn’t hit the target, so Arsenal were let off.

Arsenal had a few half chances, with Nasri going closest. He was played in sublimely by RvP… but instead of letting rip early, he took his time, made a couple of phone calls, put the kettle on… then weakly shot right of the keeper who saved with ease. Nik B went close twice as did Kieren Gibbs. The story of the first half was all about how well Cardiff played against a top 4 team… and how Arsenal had failed to be at the races against a weaker team.

The second half began and I was hoping for a more urgent Arsenal. We kind of got that, but we still had the same issue we’ve had most of the year… no penetration. The whole midfield lacks that winning mentality you look for in a world class team. You get the impression some of the players expect to win without having to work hard for it… which I guess is why we saw a casual approach to nicking a winner.

Things started to look promising when Ade came on for the disappointing Eboue (Why was he shaking his head?). Ade ruffled Cardiff’s feathers straight away when he played in RvP from a long ball… who struggled but did manage to get a shot off, only to be saved by Enkleman. Not long after that, RvP chipped a cross to the unmarked Togan… who shinned the ball into the ground in ridiculous fashion. I know Ade isn’t getting the service he was last yaer… but for £80k a week, you do expect a little more from him. I’m not saying he should have scored it… but he could have at least worked the target.

For all the possession Arsenal held… we didn’t really test the keeper. Cardiff went close late on with a ripper of a freekick that hit the bar. The game fizzled out… and a replay for 9000 Cardiff City fans was ensured.

Player Ratings:

Fabianski: Someone must have slipped a Ritalin pill in his lucozade before the game because I thought he showed an unusual amount of composure and calmness today. He made a couple of smart saves and commanded his area well. 7

Sagna: Not his best game in a yellow and blue shirt. I thought he was a little erratic and last ditch at times. His crossing was nothing short of woeful. 6

Toure: I didn’t really think too much of the defense today. Kolo made a bad error early on, but my issue was more with the defence as a unit… I didn’t feel it was very cohesive… Kolo should really have addressed that. 6

JD: Again, not a great defensive performance… but a clean sheet. 6.5

Gibbs: Considering his age and lack of playing time, I thought he did well against an organised Cardiff team. He also went close in the first half for a goal. A solid back up for Clichy. 7

Nasri: Anonymous in the first half, bar the earlier described miss. I wish he’d show more desire for the ball when he isn’t playing well. He has the ability to change games, but he’ll never do that without the ball at his feet… Wilshere at his tender age is a great example of a player who always wants the ball…. Nasri was better in the second half, and offered us a lot more creatively… but I still think a player with his talent should be doing more. 7.5

Song: I know there were a lot of people slating Song before the game, but I thought he did pretty well today. His passing in the main was pretty sharp and he made a few solid tackles and quietly got on with his job…. he even won a race with Joe Ledley! He faded as the game went on, but considering how much extra work he had to do next to Rambo… I thought he did himself proud. I don’t think he is the future there because he lacks the right qualities, but hopefully he can begin an upward curve of improvement. 7.5

Rambo: I was pretty shocked that the 18 year old was given a start considering the importance of winning the FA Cup this year. He was roundly booed all game by the Cardiff faithful and it rattled him. His passing wasn’t sharp and he wasn’t as direct as he has been in previous games. When things weren’t going his way, he started to force things and that made matter worse. Great talent, bad game… 5

Eboue: Not really sure where he was playing today… but I don’t suppose it mattered. He was poor again and didn’t really offer us anything anywhere… I will be surprised if he signs a new contract with us because he really is disliked by a majority of Gooners… and a majority of pundits. He’s just not Arsenal class, and I don’t know how many years Arsene is going to give him before he lets him go. 4

NiK B: I thought he played ok today… lady luck wasn’t on his side, but I thought he worked hard… RvP seems reluctant to pass to him sometimes. I suppose the first half of the season is still fresh in the memory for the Dutchman… hopefully the trust will come back soon. 7

RvP: I love watching Robin play… he holds the ball up as well as Kanu used to and he creates chances. I would like to see him score a few more, but I think the goals will come in time… probably when we sign someone with a bit of creativity. 8

Subs:

Adebayor: Shook things up when he came on but guilty of a poor miss. 5

Jack: Brought on with 3 minutes to go… should have come on earlier. 6

Diaby: Came on, made some poor passes… lost the ball a few times and added nothing to the team. He has bundles of talent, but if he never uses it… he is a bit pointless. 5

I am pretty sure Arsenal were one of the only teams in the Prem who fielded a weakened team yesterday, and that is disappointing. Are our players that precious they can’t get it together for an FA Cup game? Others may not agree, but I find it deeply frustrating to know that we purposely fielded a weakened team in the Carling Cup… then in the FA Cup. We should show the competition some respect…

… but on a positive note (stolen from the comments):

  1. No one was injured
  2. We’re now 9 games unbeaten
  3. An extra game will mean an extra £3.1 million in the bank… so we can now sign Arshavin!

Have a great Monday Grovers!

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  1. Mark C

    cant believe we are resting players, who are only playing 1 game a week.

    I am sure Ramsey will improve.

    One small correction, the gate is split 50/50 with the away team, so we will only get 1.5 mill !!

  2. Mark C

    I found it amazing, Wenger was bigging up Denilson, and then left him on the bench.

    Lets hope he plays midweek against Everton.

  3. choy

    morning all…

    well i think we were pretty clueless in the midfield yesterday bar nasri…

    i think nasri should start playing through the middle… denilson and ramsey are not ready and this is going to cost us someday…

    i would rather have nik on the right than eboue.. he is useless… i don’t see what he offers us?!?!

    and sagna and clichy really really need to work on their crossing.. their ratio is like 1:30 or something for good crosses…

  4. Ali Saljuk

    any updates on this arshavin saga , Zenit have all of a sudden stopped talking ( which i think is a good thing) so now what? another 48 hours , deep negotiations , agreeing terms , lots of faxes to and fro. What?

  5. Arsenal Tom

    morning all… surely the gate is split between how many seats each team sell… if we give them 9,000 seats they get 9,000 ticket sales at whatever they charge… i know we’re shit with money but we cant be this bad surely!!

  6. Jay

    Bigs up Vela and Denilson in the week and then doesnt play them. Eboue makes me ill watchin him. Ramsey had an off day, but clearly will be a talent.

    Woefull miss from Adebayor. A shadow of the man last year.

  7. Pedro

    Mark, I don’t understand it either… Denilson builds up his game, starts to look good… then we put Song back in there?

    I prefer Denilson in the middle all day…

    Geoff, I thought he was ok yesterday…

  8. choy

    MOSCOW, January 26 (RIA Novosti) – Zenit St. Petersburg’s board of directors are to meet later on Monday to decide whether to accept Arsenal’s bid for forward Andrei Arshavin.

    Talks continued throughout the weekend, but no deal was struck. Zenit general director Maxim Mitforanov stated on Sunday afternoon that the clubs were close to a compromise agreement. He earlier said a decision would be reached “on Friday or Saturday.”

    Arsenal have given Zenit until today, January 26, to settle the issue.

    The English Premier League side earlier offered 12 million pounds ($16.4 million), plus another possible three million depending on the player’s future performances, for Arshavin. Zenit turned the offer down. Russia’s Sport Express has reported that Zenit faxed a new payment proposal to Arsenal on Sunday evening. There are no further details.

    “I’m waiting for a final decision,” Arshavin told the paper. “The talks don’t depend on me. I haven’t been in touch with the club management, so I haven’t heard a clear ‘yes’ or ‘no’ yet.”

    The 27-year-old player earlier said he would go on strike if he were not sold to a foreign side.

  9. Mark C

    Pedro, morning.

    ALL FA Cup gate receipts are shared 50/50.

    That is why smaller clubs wants to play away at THOF or Old Trafford.

    We might get extra TV money. but it wont be that much.

    If we beat Cardiff, we have a home game, although I reckon, the club will try and reduce the ticket prices to make sure there is a full house.

  10. Stu

    So, i went up to Tesco last night looking for some Peroni but it was effin closed (i really should have realised that tho). So off I went to te off licence and there was none there!!! I had to buy nothing and drink Magners(yuk) for the night. (i wasnt gonna buy anything when I had free magners in the fridge already. 😀

  11. Jay

    So its Arsh judgement day, i think it will got through –

    Im trying to stay positive!

    Desperately need thst extra dimension while Cesc and Rosicky are out. Theo will be back soon but needs to improve still.

  12. Pedro

    I would have thought that would be pretty detrimental to a club that is small… if Cardiff split their gate receipts with us… they probably would have made a loss on the game?

  13. Goonerman

    In view of yesterday’s drawn game, if I were Gazidis, I would now raise the Arshavin bid by a £1m and spend the remaining £500,000 on the next Anelka.

    Pedro – Fair rating for Song and Eboue (Eboue confidence now shattered)

  14. Mark C

    re the sharing of gate receipts, a couple of years ago, in the Carling Cup Semi against Spurs, Arsenal wanted to drop the prices of the tickets, as it was JUST the Carling Cup.

    Spurs did not want this, as half of the gate would have been theres, and took AFC to the FA.

    The FA upheld Spurs’s claim, and the ticket prices were normal prices, not the £10 for an adult, £5 for a kid.

  15. Norm

    Breaking News!

    Cardiff refuse request from Arsenal to take Eboue + 5 million pounds. They will agree to take the 5 million as long as Eboue isn’t part of the deal.

    Someone please take EBOOOOUE.

  16. Steve

    I think you’ll find that the FA are also entitled to a large slice of the turnstile pie for FA Cup games. I once heard 30% of gate receipts. In which case it’s 35% to each club.

    Good post Geoff.

    Have any Bendtner haters noticed the amount of work he puts in yet?

  17. Pedro

    Steve, he worked very hard yesterday… and that is all you can ask of a young striker with talent. I think the goals will come.

  18. Steve

    And Franchise is right, Arsenal and Man United generally waive their right to a share of gate receipts for away games against lower league opposition. FYI Chelsea don’t.

  19. Steve

    Pedro, I’ll always forgive any player who works as hard as he does. He chased every lost ball and battled 100%. When we played Man United at our place he got critisised for the chances he missed but battled so well and chased their defence down at every opportunity to stop them creating chances. If Adebayor had half of his application he’d be worth 80k per week.

  20. Pedro

    Jeez… I hate being the liberal…

    Steve, we have too many fans who are still living in the days of 1 chance Thierry… we have to accept that strikers take time to develop and we shouldn’t be overly critical.

    I know we slate Song, but for me… he doesn’t have the basic talent in the first place… Nik does.

  21. charybdis1966

    Morning all, I was going to say, you were a bit harsh on Clichy and his poor crossing when he didn’t play yesterday.
    However it is a bit annoying that we have another opportunity to pick up unnecessary yellow cards and injuries due to this replay. Of course PHW and the like will be seeing cash registers in their eyes at the prospect of another home game. Will we see any of that revenue in the form of on field reinforcements? Hmmm..

  22. Mandanda

    ‘Togan’ lol, sounds better than Togolese tho…good post btw. weak team selection but shud be good enuff to beat Cardiff

  23. Doublegooner

    Morning Goons;

    I am just getting old & pessimistic, but I was bored shitless yesterday. I really can’t see anything with this squad that gives me hope.

    Nor would I be surprised if no new faces come in.

    Sorry to sound like a miserable Old C**T !

  24. Franchise

    What really makes me moan is that our team is just not good enough??? 3 years ago our January signings were Diaby, Ade and Walcott. To date none can really be relied on.

    we have added more would be or might be world class players in the shape of rambo, coquelin etc

    It took flamini 3 years to be the bollox at Arsenal then he fucks off, it took hleb the same then he fucks off also.

    Whats going on with my dear club? Its beginning to look silly

    My ‘still living yet to be poisoned’ Mancs friends said to me last night

    ‘Comon boy whats wrong with ur club, u have too many players that are not good enough to play for Arsenal. the shit ones are shit and the young ones dont look like they would be ready for another 3 years’

  25. Steve

    Was anyone else dreading the prospect of trudging over to the Emirates on a cold midweek night to be screamed at by 9,000 nannygoats? I knew it was going to a replay long before the final whistle.

  26. Mark C

    here is the offical line from the FA regarding sharing of gate receipts:

    PROCEEDS OF MATCHES PRIOR TO THE SEMI-FINALS
    (a) The net gate receipts due from a match (except replayed matches in consequence of a
    breach of the Rules) shall be the total ticket sales for the match less VAT, the travelling
    (and possibly accommodation) expenses of the Visiting Club, the fees and expenses of the
    Match Officials, and other match expenses allowed under the Competition Rules (which
    include costs relating to gate attendants, turnstile operators, stewards, weather reports,
    police charges, floodlighting in accordance with the Competition Rules, contributions to the
    costs of First Aid Helpers and any costs relating to clearing the ground of snow and water
    provided the Visiting Club is consulted beforehand on the approximate costs). Any
    shortfalls in receipts are the responsibility of the home club and are not to be shared. The
    Professional Game Board shall have the power from time to time to issue instructions as to
    what shall and shall not be allowed as a match expense.
    (b) Net gate receipts shall be divided as follows:
    (i) In matches prior to the Third Round of the Competition Proper (other than replayed
    matches in the Competition Proper), the net gate receipts of each match shall be
    divided equally between the competing Clubs.
    (ii) In replayed matches in the Competition Proper prior to the Third Round, 5% of the net
    gate receipts shall be remitted to The Association and the balance shall be divided
    equally between the competing Clubs.
    (iii) In matches played in the Third, Fourth, Fifth and Sixth Rounds of the Competition
    Proper, the net gate receipts of each match shall be divided as follows:
    45% to each Club competing in the match.
    10% to the Pool.
    (iv) In replayed matches in the Third, Fourth, Fifth and Sixth Rounds of the Competition
    Proper the net gate receipts of each match shall be divided as follows:
    5% to The Association.
    42.5% to each Club.
    10% to the Pool.
    (c) “The Pool” shall be a fund held by The Association which shall be divided at the completion
    of the Competition between the FA Premier League and the Football League for onward
    distribution to the Clubs in the FA Premier League and the Football League which
    participated in the Competition. The 5% payment to The Association for replayed matches
    in the First, Second, Third, Fourth, Fifth and Sixth Rounds of the Competition Proper shall
    be divided at the completion of the Competition amongst all the Clubs outside the FA
    Premier League and The Football League playing in the First Round of the Competition
    Proper.
    (d) In matches played in the Third, Fourth, Fifth and Sixth Rounds of the Competition Proper
    involving Clubs outside the FA Premier League or The Football League, the net gate
    receipts of each match shall be divided as follows:
    50% to Clubs outside The FA Premier League or The Football League.
    40% to FA Premier League or Football League Clubs.
    10% to the Pool (save where both Clubs are outside the FA Premier League or the Football
    League).
    (e) In replayed matches in the Third, Fourth, Fifth and Sixth Rounds of the Competition Proper
    involving Clubs outside the FA Premier League or The Football League, the net gate
    receipts of each match shall be divided as follows:
    47.5% to Clubs outside The FA Premier League or The Football League.
    37.5% to FA Premier League or Football League Clubs.
    10% to the Pool (save where both Clubs are outside The FA Premier League or The
    Football League).
    5% to The Association.
    (f) The net gate receipts shall be approximately divided immediately after the match. A full
    statement of account for the match shall be prepared by the Club playing at its home
    ground, on the prescribed Statement of Receipts and Payments Form, and payment shall
    be made in full to the Visiting Club and The Association within 14 days of the match. The
    Statement of Receipts and Payments Form must be signed by a Director or Football
    Secretary of the home Club. A Club failing to comply with this clause may be ordered to
    pay a fine and any other punishment, including non-admission in the future to the
    Competition, may be imposed as determined by the Professional Game Board.
    (g) Any Club failing to comply with these provisions may at the discretion of the Professional
    Game Board:
    (i) be ordered to pay daily interest on the money due calculated at 5% per annum over
    Barclays Bank Base Rate in force for the time being from the due date to the actual
    date of payment, and/or;
    (ii) be removed from the Competition for the current and/or future seasons and any other
    order as is deemed appropriate until such time as the money has been paid.
    (h) A Club that alleges that it has been financially disadvantaged by another Club failing to
    meet its financial obligations under these Rules must bring the circumstances to the
    attention of The Association in writing.
    (i) When a match is postponed through causes over which neither Club has any control, the
    expenses shall be paid out of the gate receipts of the match when played.
    (j) In any match ordered to be replayed in consequence of a breach of the Competition Rules,
    the Club in default shall not receive any share of the gate receipts of any nature of such
    replayed match (except the approved travelling costs in accordance with Competition Rule
    23) without the consent of the Professional Game Board, and such consent shall only be
    given under special circumstances. If consent is not given, any such share shall be remitted
    to The Association.
    (k) A Club may at its own expense erect temporary stands and take the proceeds in cases
    where the opposing Club declines to join in the expenses of the erection. A stand shall be
    treated as a permanent one if used after the match for which it was erected.
    (l) In cases where the gate receipts are not sufficient to cover the entire expenses of the
    match, the deficit shall be shared by the two competing Clubs.
    (m) The Home Club must maintain proper accounting systems and documentation (see
    Competition Rule 26) for the control and recording of match receipts. A clear audit trail
    must be available from the documentation to the entries recorded on the Statement of
    Receipts and Payments Form.

  27. Richaldo from the North Bank Highbury

    You’ve just reminded me of Eboue’s first dive, and it’s made me think of the second one when no one was within 5 yards….

    honestly, if someone did that in a game of footy in a park you’d knock their teeth out…

    Shocking : (

  28. Nil

    We weren’t resting that many players though? Gibbs had to play, so the only ones resting were Denilson and Ade.

    Denilson played every game in pre-season(including 2 matches within 24 hours in the Emirates Cup) and has started almost every game for us throughout the season. He deserves a rest.

    Ade on the other hand does not. But perhaps starting Bendtner starting was supposed to give him a kick upp the arse?

    Ramsey is clearly not ready. I’ve seen him play 3 very poor games now in his prefered position. He should probably play more reserve games to work up some kind of form and confidence.

  29. London

    Top, top post Pedro an absolute pleasure to read, your fairness, honesty and above all the depth of your knowledge of football are the principal reasons I hold this site in such high regard. No easy job steering the ship through the varied and strongly held views of the contributors of this site but once again you have deftly handled the task. 9 for Pedro.

  30. Franchise

    Do u put at risk ur kids education, healthcare (assuming its the US system) and welfare cos u want to live in a luxury mansion? i dont think the stadium is afinancial burden yet as for highbury square?????? Thats no excuse we shouldnt have sacrificed our competitiveness for a stadium. i dont think we did anyway its the wise one has become too wise for himself.

    ‘When a wise man begins to think otherwise then he becomes unwise’

  31. Big Dave

    It’s about time that Jack W got more then 6 minutes to play for us, and what has Eboue got over Wenger that he allways seems to get the chance to play, but never preformes at all

  32. GMR

    I remember Vieira making a ludicrous dive at Anfield to try & get a player sent off when nobody was near him. If people are going to label Eboue then at least be consistant, Vieira would never have received the same stick.

    Every club has a player/players that dive, it’s not right but unfortunately its become part of the game, some of these players & in particular Gerrard & Drogba earn their sides probably 9-12 points a season with their play acting, so as cynical as it is other clubs have to do the same.

  33. Franchise

    My missus tells me that i’m very close to her heart. this arshavin chase has made me worry exactly what she means for the last two weeks we have been close to signing arshavin ive just read another arsenal close to arshavin article 🙁

  34. Steve

    Or Pires GMR. The difference is that these were great players who done great things for the club. Eboue is just Eboue. If he was a great player who done the odd silly thing then i’m sure we’d forgive him. The fact that he is shit and dives makes him even more infuriating.

  35. kelsey

    Steve Says:
    January 26, 2009 at 9:36 am

    “Was anyone else dreading the prospect of trudging over to the Emirates on a cold midweek night to be screamed at by 9,000 nannygoats.”

    Think before you post Steve, you may be offending some and in my case you certainly have.My wife is Welsh and one of my children was born in Wales. Cheers

  36. Dr Whiff

    Arshavins been training with Zenit all week in Dubai, they had a friendly match on Saturday and he didn’t play…..he wasn’t even in the squad!!! That could mean good things….right?

  37. Ryan L

    Pedro, here is my little conspiracy theory and an even bigger reason why we can also now add to the Arshavin pot:

    I am guessing that for season ticket holders, the replay will mean that we have to take up another of our “6 cup vouchers.” Assuming we then beat Cardiff, that will mean that season ticket holders will end up getting charged for atleast 1 additional game (next season) because we will have had the 3 CL group games, plus a guaranteed game against Roma plus Plymouth, Cardiff and Burnley/WBA in the FA Cup. Then theoretcically it could be even more if we beat Roma and progress to another home draw in the FA Cup. All meaning extra money that wouldn’t/shouldn’t have been budgeted for !!

    (Tongue very frimly in cheek now) Maybe the club will take note of what AW said the other week about caring for its fans and not only buy us a player that excites fans but hey how about let season ticket holders in for free to see the rplay against Cardiff ??? Come on Arsenal put some money where your mouth is even if its just 1 of those scenario’s !!

  38. charybdis1966

    Yes A Tom – there’s always an upside to the most annoying of fixture pile ups.

    I don’t whether I’ll go to the replay – my next game is Sunderland, but the “nannygoats” do seem rather rough house and the prospect, as Steve points out, of seeing them mid week doesn’t especially appeal.

  39. mwt

    god how must rvp feel in this team atm. Not only is he expected to score goals, hes ahving to create everything as well. And his partner in crime is pocketing 80k a week!

  40. TK

    what game were you watching? diaby was 10 times better than song and ramsey. He came on took charge in midfield something we were lacking. … he should defo of started!!

  41. Jules

    Morning All

    Well , I return from a weeks great skiing hoping for a signing or maybe two !

    And , I arrive to rain , misreable transfer to long term car park driver , switch on the car radio to hear eboue booked for diving , song gives the ball away , bentner fails to control the ball and oh ………….. we have ,nt signed anyone !!!!

    how fucking shit to be back !!

  42. gooner-pak

    AA was suppose to go on strike for tht uae match….and where is AJ who said we will be revealing AA on friday!!!!!!!!

  43. Pedro

    GMR, I’ve always been consistent with Eboue and his diving. In fact, I didn’t even call it a dive… I just said that’s what happens when you get yourself a rep for being a cheat. Something that I noted would happen earlier in the year.

    I can’t ever remember Paddy being a consistent cheat, so any comparison would be unfair.

    Cheers London!

  44. arsenalised

    ADEEEE….,…..why did you miss that. am a big fan of the togonator but i would have shot him yesterday if i saw him.

  45. Jimbo

    One thing I’ve never agreed with you guys over is your match ratings, but I think today you’ve done a pretty good job!

    Only thing I’d change:

    1 – Think Gibbs deserves slightly higher. Some great tackles, and a couple of nice crosses too.

    2 – Song probably gets 0.5 less – a few really stupid soft passes.

  46. GMR

    Pedro, my comment wasn’t aimed at you & I also posted a comment with a link to Vieira’s dive on youtube but it’s gone missing.

    Cheating is cheating whether it’s once, twice or every game. I can’t stand it but it’s become part of the game & I seriously doubt any on here would’ve been calling for the CL final to have been replayed had we won it 1-0 due to Eboue’s dive.

  47. Steve

    Hiya Jules, be positive mate, there’ll be a coming. I think Arshavin will sign this week and 1 other before the end of the month.

  48. Michael Gillon

    This time, thanks to Setanta the game started at 11.30pm (not as late as usual). When I saw that both Song and DFN Eboue were in the starting lineup I wondered if it was worth staying up to watch. I persevered until half time put the f___er on record and went to bed. This Arsenal line up is utter crap. The pundits are talking about Arsenals passing game missing, this bunch of wankers couldnt pass a good crap. Eboue is the worst excuse for an Arsenal player I have ever seen. Song, suprisingly wasn’t bad. If the rest of the midfdield had played decently he would have been fine. Bentner was his usual crap (big f___er with a lousy first touch) Gibbs played well and as I stated in previous posts is a better option than Silvestre.
    There is a saying “that water seeks its own level” and the teams that Wenger keeps picking are causing players like Sagna & Clichy dropping their levels to that of Eboue.

    The Carling kids played Sheff U and Wigan off the field and if Simpson had started ahead of the pink booted poser we would probably have been in the Carling Cup final.

    Arsene, you talk about skill and talent, why dont you play them rather than the Afro Underachievers.

  49. swgunner

    Hi, not posted on here before, but thought today would be a good time to start.
    First of all, I dont know what evrybodys problem is with Song?
    I think the problem is the setup being used with the players available. Song had a very decent game yesterday and I think he is a very good holding midfielder in the right setup.
    I would prefer to see Song doing the Makalele, Nasri and Diaby in front with Nik on the right and somerbody we will hopefully sign soon on the left, if not then Denilson and RVP up top, because at the moment Ade does no work for the team. It is possible to use Song and Diaby in the middle, Nasri left, Nik right, and two of RVP, Ade or AA if he comes up top.
    Mainly just get Eboue out of the team and give lazy Adebayor a wake up call.

  50. GMR

    Steve – My point is not about how much those players did or didn’t do for Arsenal, we all know how great they were for the club, anyone can criticise Eboue for his actual play but I hate the cheat label being thrown at him when there are many others that are just as guilty.

    For anyone thats not seen or forgotten Vieira’s dive here it is:

  51. Pedro

    GMR, you are right… but there is a difference between Paddy and Eboue.

    Eboue is a persistent offender.

    Paddy cheated so infrequently, they have a youtube video dedicated to it.

    Eboue doesn’t play the game in the right spirit… and I hate that.

  52. AJ

    Morning all. the latest on Arshavin is that he is at Arsenal but finer details between the clubs need to be reached, everything agreed but just when they unveil him. was expected friday but just a short delay, announced today

  53. GMR

    Maybe there is a difference in the amount that Eboue cheats compared to that of Vieira, however in that link I posted Vieira had already been booked & clearly should’ve been sent off for the worse kind of dive any player can possible do (going down when there is no contact whatsoever).

    Vieira throughout his Arsenal career was unprofessional on so many occasions, from attacking players to reckless sendings off etc, yet he is forgiven. He f**ked the club about for around 4-5 summers in a row & was desperate to leave for Madrid, but again it’s forgotten.

    Yet because Eboue is a rubbish player everything is thrown at him.

  54. gazzap

    I am sure that in past seasons when Eboue was playing right wing he has actually done a fairly decent impression of a right winger. OK he was never a great winger but he held his own. This season he reminds me of that player who managed to con Southamton into buying him because he was George Weahs cousin, and then when he came on as a sub in his first game, they had to take him off again because he was worse than a pub player. Thats how Eboue looks to me. If we didn’t know he was a footballer, you’d honestly think he wasn’t.

    I have said so many times on this blog that Eboue is worse than Song and I stand by that. Hope Vela gets better soon, though I dont know whats wrong with him.

  55. arsenalised

    Pedro:you are right,refs dont take eboue seriousy because he is a serial diver to make maters worse he dives all over tha pitch not just in tha penalty area.

  56. Franchise

    that is life GMR

    be good at what u do and ppl would overlook ur fuck ups!!!!

    of all the managers in the top 4 (5) only arsene wld tolerate a player like eboue for this long. especially as a RM. FFS

  57. Jerseygooner

    Morning all,

    Good post Pedro i agree with most of your comments apart from the Song rating. IMHO he was mediocre at best and gave the ball away at least 3 times when under no real pressure. Eboue though should just leave. I cannot abide cheats even when they are one of my own. I hate to say it but he now looks even worse then Ronaldo.

  58. charybdis1966

    Arsenalised – I wish the refs would realise Cronaldo dives just as much (and also kicks out at oppo defenders – something Ebway doesn’t do) and be aware of that, but the greasey winker gets away with it time after time. The refs and FA scared of Fergie – surely not?

  59. Pedro

    GMR, I don’t think anyone ever lauded PV04 for the bad things he did… and no one enjoyed what he did each summer… but he always stayed and for the most part, we were a very successful outfit.

    Eboue isn’t helped out by his lack of ability… but he regularly shames himself for unneccasary acts of cheating or play acting. His behaviour is deplorable and embarrassing… and comparing him to Paddy is way off the mark.

  60. Stooee21

    Gotta disagree with you on a few points. Still thought Song was cak I’m afraid. You can see him working really hard but he’s just so sloooow at a flat out sprint he’s clearly pretty rapid so I gues the only reason he can seem slow in the middle of the park is that he can’t change direction or he can’t read the game.

    Eboue aweful as usual. He makes such explosive runs but then even when he’s broken into the clear you just know he’s going to pass it straight to the other team.

    I thought as soon as Diaby replaced Rambo we look far more dangerous. Diaby geave the ball away a few too many times but on the whole his ability to turn his man or ghost through a gap caused a lot of problems for Cardiff, pulled them out of shape and created openings for others. Actually thought he was one of our better players

  61. Geoff

    It doesn’t matter what Paddy did or Eboue didn’t, he’s no better than cover as right back and we are all paying the price of Wenger’s guilty conscience for buying Sagna, it’s not only a joke, it’s unprofessional.

  62. thanks god

    GMR Says:

    January 26, 2009 at 10:22 am
    Maybe there is a difference in the amount that Eboue cheats compared to that of Vieira, however in that link I posted Vieira had already been booked & clearly should’ve been sent off for the worse kind of dive any player can possible do (going down when there is no contact whatsoever).

    Vieira throughout his Arsenal career was unprofessional on so many occasions, from attacking players to reckless sendings off etc, yet he is forgiven. He f**ked the club about for around 4-5 summers in a row & was desperate to leave for Madrid, but again it’s forgotten.

    Yet because Eboue is a rubbish player everything is thrown at him

    True..if he had an ion of talent in him..he would get only half the stick he is getting now.
    And Viera’s is forgetten because he was perfoming for the past 6 years and won tackels that turned the games and at times in tunnel itself.

  63. gazzap

    Kelsey, My wife is welsh as well and I respect her background but Steve’s nannygoat comment was funny. Lighten up man.

    With regards cup tickets, I think if we beat Cardiff we are up to 8, meaning we have to pay for 2 more on next season’s ST. If we beat Roma then it’ll be 3 more. I beleive that Twente at home was part of the season ticket. Then the 3 CL games, then Plymouth, coming is Cardiff and Roma. Burnley/WBA will be 8.

  64. Pedro

    My nannygoat is English and took particular offence to Steve’s comment… don’t tar all goats with the same brush Steve.

  65. Geoff

    Got to agree with that one Kelsey, if we worried about taking the piss in a light hearted way, it would be pretty quiet on here, the scousers and the chavs get some real shit don’t they?

    And they booed our Aaron the whole time he was on so we need to address that!

  66. AJ

    arshavin is in London, he has agreed to the move, his family in hotel in London. he is not in Dubai , he left the training camp last week and was not in squad for Zenit on saturday for pre season game. i am not sure why they did not announce it friday, don’t mind all the paper talk, just a matter of agreement with zenit when arsenal pay the 3 million instalments. keep an eye on sky today

  67. gazzap

    I thought Ramsey was just coming into the game when he came off. he had had his first good 10 minute spell of the game. the booing at the start got to him which was understandable. When cardiff tired and gave him more space, he began to take control. But at that point Diaby came on and took advantage of the extra space that cardiff allowed us towards the end. Rambo will be OK and will have learnt a lot.

  68. Franchise

    Guys we are at risk of going our 4th season without a trophy. 9 games unbeaten would be irrelevant for me unless we pick up some silverware this season.

    Im not saying we sell any player but IMO in our whole team we do not have one completely reliable and ready player. I dont know if its the true nature of things or just the story of our season. We used to have a team that had at least 6 players of that calibre that delivered week in week out. now we have none.

    the closest player to that now is VP.

    the full backs aint far off but are still short from that mark(clichys stupid errors and the pairs woeful crosses)

    CB – 1 good performance normally follows or precedes a bad one

    Midfield – this season Cesc has been at his Arsenal career worst considering he started playing at 17 for us in the league it is very bad. Denilson is ok but not yet good enough to have made 30+ appearances in one season by January. Song do i need to say more. the rest are either too young, crocked or not enough experience

    Forwards – have struggled to make an impact in most games. VP has stepped up in the last few games. As for Ade i bet even Arsene is biting himself for doubling his wages. Bendtner lazy today, hero tomorrow. Eddy and vela excite me but havent featured a lot for obvious reasons

    GK – Almunia wld never play international footie cos no one outside Arsene rates him. Fabianski might be the bollox in a few yaers.

    My honest assessment of our team as at 26/01/09

    😉

  69. Franchise

    Guys we are at risk of going our 4th season without a trophy. 9 games unbeaten would be irrelevant for me unless we pick up some silverware this season.

    Im not saying we sell any player but IMO in our whole team we do not have one completely reliable and ready player. I dont know if its the true nature of things or just the story of our season. We used to have a team that had at least 6 players of that calibre that delivered week in week out. now we have none.

    the closest player to that now is VP.

    the full backs aint far off but are still short from that mark(clichys stupid errors and the pairs woeful crosses)

    CB – 1 good performance normally follows or precedes a bad one

    Midfield – this season Cesc has been at his Arsenal career worst considering he started playing at 17 for us in the league it is very bad. Denilson is ok but not yet good enough to have made 30+ appearances in one season by January. Song do i need to say more. the rest are either too young, crocked or not enough experience

    Forwards – have struggled to make an impact in most games. VP has stepped up in the last few games. As for Ade i bet even Arsene is biting himself for doubling his wages. Bendtner lazy today, hero tomorrow. Eduardo and vela excite me but havent featured a lot for obvious reasons

    GK – Almunia wld never play international footie cos no one outside Arsene rates him. Fabianski might be the bollox in a few yaers.

    My honest assessment of our team as at 26/01/09

    😉

  70. GMR

    Pedro, we’ll have to disagree on this one, Vieira was playing in a better Arsenal team than Eboue is so of course Eboue’s faults are shown up a lot more than Vieira’s ever were. When it comes to cheating & unprofessional conduct I have every right to label Vieira exactly the same as Eboue. I’m not comparing the quality of each of them because of course that would be silly.

  71. Steve

    cheers gazzap, at last somebody that isn’t trawling the web looking for a reason for being offended. This fear we all have about being p.c now is getting out of hand.

    Sorry Pedro, next time I see your goat i’ll buy it a peroni.

  72. gazzap

    AJ, well lets see what happens. Your name was mud on here on Friday when nothing occured and you had gone to ground!! I hope all is as you say and Zenit come to their senses today.

  73. Steve

    If we all got offended every time you made a sweeping generalisation Geoff the place would be a hotbed of law suits 🙂

  74. Franchise

    re steve and kelsey. it was wrong IMO for steve to say he wouldnt loose any sleep for saying that. kelsey took offence, steve should just have explained that he was taking the piss and didnt mean any harm. steve’s reply could have started another xenephobe/race massacre on legrove which we all hate

  75. Steve

    Pedro, that really did make me L.O.L.

    I’d have to say that I like kelsey and often agree with his views. I guess it would have been easier to apologise but unfortunately that would make me a hypocrite as well as a xenaphobe.

  76. Stu

    Also, re the Vieira dive. He was anticipating contact. Hamann flicked his foot and Vieira thought he was going to be kicked.

    And also Vieira went on to score arguably one of our most beautiful goals that season. That excuses him from a lot of his play acting. He had the talent to back it up.

  77. Pedro

    Franchise… Welsh people are pretty easy going, I don’t think there are too many that would be offended by that comment.

    If it is direct offence, maybe… but being offended indirectly offended is a bit PC.

  78. kenny smith

    Yeah AJ you got it wrong on friday so why shud we believe you now??????

    You shouldnt be filling all the grovers with false hope again!

  79. Franchise

    i knew someone would come out and defend vieira’s dive. there has never been an issue raised on here that has been unanimously agreed on. 😆

  80. Wardo

    AJ – where did you go on Firday then? Once it was clear AA was not signed………

    I think we may sign him but, your story does sound a little obvious mate.

  81. Steve

    Fair point Franchise, it maybe does sound a little confrontational. It just all seems a little pathetic to me.

    I now retract my original comment and am rather excited about heading over to the emirates in the freezing cold after being at work all day to be goaded by 9,000 nannygoats.

    Better?

  82. Stu

    Im a tad lost here. Whats all this about offending Welsh people and nannygoats. What the fuck is a nanny goat? Never heard of it whatever it is. Or should I even bother asking? 😕

  83. kelsey

    Geoff,

    it wasn’t the post it was the response directed at me which i took offence to, and i assure you Steve I am not trawling the web to be offended.It’s got a bit to personal for my liking.

    I post as I feel but i don’t go out of my way to make snide remarks to anyone.Anyway, we will leave it at that,as we are obviously on different wavelengths.

  84. LB

    I like Song. Considering that before Diaby came on he did ALL the hard work, I’m shocked at the constant criticism he gets. We all watch football differently, but generally show bias towards offense. I can assure you there were numerous times when Nasri and Eboue did not bother toget back on defence and Song was the only thing standing between te defence and a Cardiff goal. He was tackling on the left, on the right and closing spaces everywhere. How is it that so many of you fail to see that? In fact, check all the games Arsenal have played this season. Our best defensive performances were with him in the team. He excels for Cameroon on a consistent basis, because he gets support there. At Arsenal, we scream and shout at our own players. For what purpose?

  85. charybdis1966

    Pedro – you’re right about the taffs. I remember my cricket club were playing a team form Glamorgan Uni(not the actual team, but the caretakers, support staff etc.. as my club we nowhere near up to the standard of playing Uni teams)and when we were talking to them in the pub after the match the old “sheep shaggers” issue came up.

    Their response was to smile and say “if you’d seen the women in Wales you wouldn’t really blame us”.

  86. Ryan L

    Yep ur right gazzup – I totally forgot all about the Twente game.

    Even more of a reason to either spend the excess on something/someone to brighten our days or alternatively, give ST holders the Cardiff game for free !! Especially as you can argue that putting out a weakened team has effectively cost us ST holders money !! I am basing the Cardiff game as being the 7th cup voucher even though it comes before the Roma game, as the Roma game was already a guaranteed shoe in.

  87. Sparrow

    Morning all,

    watching the game yesterday, I thought Diaby did alright, he made Song play better as well. Couple of decent tackles and booming runs from the lad.

  88. Stu

    LB, in all fairness its a DMs job to close space, protect the defence etc so why should he be praised when he gets it right once in a while? He gets paid great wages so he should be expected to play well consistently. He wasnt bad yesterday but stranger things have happened.