Arsenal cash crisis numbers revealed as board enter final battle with Wenger

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Take a moment people.

Take a moment, sit back, and look at what an absolute mess Arsenal are in.

16th in the Premier League table

Squad in mutiny against Wenger, fleeing like rats on a sinking ship

No plan to replace

Club briefing the media there’s no money for transfers

Make no mistake, Arsene Wenger has been hitting Arsenal with 1000 cuts for 10 years, now we’re entering the critical zone, losing blood fast, struggling for consciousness. Our once great leader is immensely damaging the reputation of the club, he’s damaging us financially, and we’re tanking on the pitch.

The club has no identity. There’s no vision for success. Arsenal are rudderless.

So I have some thoughts on what’s going on here that’ll become clearer tomorrow, but I’ll tee you up with some fodder to chew on today.

Arsenal will likely move on Alexis after rejecting City’s opening bid. There’s simply no way we don’t move him on. His team mates don’t like him, he’s confrontational with the manager and he’s mailing it in. Plus, smirking from the bench. Sell him, it’s simply not an option to keep him.

Chamberlain has moved onto Liverpool. Good riddance, I truly hope it doesn’t work out up there after the game last week. Kieran Gibbs, world class bottle job and freeloader has remarkably taken a job at West Brom, superb business, I hope he finds his balls. Expect to see Lucas Perez sold or loaned out today.

Ozil? FORGET ABOUT IT. Arguably the most expensive luxury in Europe won’t move anywhere unless a team really panics.

 

That total could take our summer earnings past £130m. Net £87m. Add in the £100m we reportedly already had going into the window, and you’re looking at a tidy pot of cash.

Add up the prospective wages we’re going to lose.

  • Chezzer – £100k
  • Gibbs – £70k
  • Chamberlain £70k
  • Sanogo – £40k
  • Gabriel – £60k
  • Jankinson – £40k
  • Alexis £140k
  • Perez – £90k

Out: £610k

Transfer ins

  • Lacazette – £200k
  • Kolasinac – £140k

In: £340k

Premier League cap: £140k

Net: £410K

 

We could feasibly spend £150m on talent today, and offer out £410k in wages.

If Arsenal does not have money, that’s because they’re not willing to let Arsene spend money.

Today is going to be very interesting on that front. Will Wenger throw his toys out of the pram and go direct to Kroenke to let him have a Draxler type? Or will he have to suffer the consequences of his poor summer planning and go with the squad as is?

I hope he doesn’t spend. He’s a poor judge of talent, he’s under duress, and he’s not had the chance to plan his next move.

The club needs to think about its future.

Wenger is finished. He doesn’t have enough credit with the fans to make it. He doesn’t have any credit with a squad that’s abandoned him. It’s fully over.

The big question today is will Stan go with the will of the board? Or will he back the manager like he did when Wenger went direct to him for his undeserved deal?

This is Game Of Thrones like political maneuvering. Wenger has made all the mistakes, an astute general in his youth, but sadly edging his way towards a brutal miscalculated battle he’ll never win… but he has one secret weapon, the direct line to his sugar daddy.

Let’s see how this pans out….

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  1. Goobergooner.

    Southern goober
    “If he isn’t [after big wages] then why did he reportedly want a big salary to stay at Arsenal.”

    Mate, think about it. Would you stay at this shit show for anything less than a mega paycheck if you were Sanchez?

    And by the look of this window, how the fuck do you think we will be improving in January, when it will be most likely even worse off than now, let alone improving enough to make Sanchez think twice about leaving.

    I’ve been like many of you Wenger out for a while, and i thought I’d be numb to this after so many years. But this whole summer up until this very moment has just got me fuming.

    What the fuck have I been wasting my time on. This isnt a football club. It’s a load of shit. The owner is a fucking cunt. And Wenger is even worse. Get the fuck out

  2. leon

    I really don’t see this team is going anywhere, at least 50% of the players don’t want to be there, there is at least 4 players who just waiting for thier contracts to run down, other players like debuchy, Walcott, wilshire Jenkinson ect who are at the club because they are not willing to take a pay cut not any loyalty to the manager and 1 or 2 injuries in defence we are in deep trouble

  3. Carts

    Yep Wenger hints by holding on to Sanchez, he’ll fire us into the top 4?

    This should be fun. Let me go grab a chair.

    There’s more chance Gazidis walking than there is Sanchez giving anything more than 65% from now till January.

    His options in January will consist of at least 4 teams; he’ll probably still opt for City. Moreover, he’ll cost even less and he stands to earn a fortune in wages.

    So yes, Arsenal will flog him in January once it’s apparent that we’re worse than last year.

  4. PhD07

    I think I”ll grab two chairs for this season.

    Should be and will be quite a comedy show.
    Worth the entrance fee-I might add.

    Oh my-the popcorn’s out already..

    OGL-The stage is yours..

  5. ArseneisaFraud

    Another TW fucked up! Well it’s good to see that the ship is nice and steady with it’s nose 45° below see level.

    We now have one very pissed off player in Sanchez who is guaranteed to go through the motions. Considering that there were already bust ups between players, he is now going to add some spice to all this.

    I truly think that we are really in for a ride this season. Don’t forget to put your seatbelts!

  6. tonyd

    £60million lost in one day.

    Those that say we’ll get it back via CL or TV rights so it’s ok.

    Reality is it is still lost revenue.

    City might be pissed with Wenger now, but they will be the winners in the end getting Sanches free next summer.

  7. tonyd

    Wenger doesn’t realise Lemar doesn’t want to play for Him like most players who are serious about winning trophies with tactically visionary managers.

    That deal was never going to happen even at £92 million.

  8. tonyd

    I hope the fans are going to unite now against Wenger. I won’t be buying merchandise or adding to the club’s coffers, but that’s all I can do from 6000km away.

    If the Liverpool game and this summer’s TW doesn’t make everyone realise Wenger is only going to get worse, then nothing will.

    The decline has been for almost 12 years.

  9. keef petrovic

    Cheer up, when Kroenke, Wenger and Gazidis and all the new moronic so called fans who support this shower fade away (time and half empty stadium will do the trick), the huge amount of real fans who don’t attend matches any more because of price or disgust will rise again.

    When this shit is all over the real fans will be left, just like the old days.

    Regular Arsenal away fans – you have always been hardcore, utmost respect to you.

  10. jim2k4

    Even though wenger is WAY past his used by date, wenger in or out wont make a difference. Kroenke is the problem. Boycotting arsenal is the only way.

  11. Follow the money

    EVERY transfer window that passes continues to provide more evidence that it was Dein who was responsible for Arsenal’s success, on the pitch and off. Wenger, true coward and loser

  12. Dissenter

    The Chilean FA is mad as Arsenal for the way they handled the Sanchez deal.
    Man City are mad at Arsenal for the shambolic and unprofessional manner they handled the deal. The player was told to go ahead and sign the deal then they told him ti was over a few minutes before he was to play for his country.

    Alexis is not going to be exactly happy about this. Lets wait and see how it goes when he gets back.

  13. Jasongms

    This is the next level of incompetence… Truely embarrassing that a player we chased all tw, turns us down at the 11th hour… someone please get arsene out of the club before he does irreparable damage to the club and brand or have we already crossed that line?

  14. peanuts&monkeys

    someone please get arsene out of the club before he does irreparable damage to the clUb”

    A repair work of 10 years is irrepairable.

    There are hundreds of Rip Van Winkles out here. Irreparable damage of vlub’s underachievement mindset was done 5 years back whn RVP was sold

  15. tonyd

    I think we crossed the line a long time ago, Jason.

    Elite and up and coming elite players don’t want to play for Wenger. Wenger is pissing off clubs at an alarming rate.

    The Sanches fiasco was purely so Wenger can try to salvage the season, but he’s too stupid to realise Sanches will be far from the savior needs.

    Are you going to be in BKK next month or this year?

  16. TitsMcGee

    Alexis is not going to be exactly happy about this. Lets wait and see how it goes when he gets back”

    I hope he rips then in the media. (With a translator if necessary )

  17. TitsMcGee

    5th place.
    16 (?) Points behind Chelsea.
    10-2 on aggregate to Bayern.
    Players mailing it in.

    What does he do? Signs two players, after:

    Groveling for an extension , refusing a DoF and shamelessly taking more money.

    Eggs all over the naive faces of the AKBs .

  18. Wallace

    Champagne charlie

    “Arsenal needed a reaction to our worst season under Wenger and we didn’t get it. We got an amateurish transfer window that started very well, got very quiet, got very annoying, then was embarrassing on deadline day. Our best player will walk for free next summer, and doesn’t want to be here. Ozil will walk for free next summer, Mustafi doesn’t want to be here. And we failed to address the issue in CM…”

    agreed. we look to have added two excellent players in Kolasinac & Lacazette and hopefully we’ll see a bit of Reiss Nelson as well, but my god, this last week has been f*ckin’ painful to watch unfold.

  19. Wallace

    sold the Ox for good money, but just at the point where you’re wondering if he’s going to turn into the player some of us thought he might be, and to a Liverpool side who I’m sure we didn’t want to deal with after the Suarez fallout.

    Mustafi, Elneny & Chambers were all available at various points over the summer. they’re now players we are going to be relying on massively.

    and Alexis…he thought it was done and he was away. I think 4th-6th is the best we can hope for now, but even that will depend on our best player getting over his disappointment and performing somewhere close to his best. far from guaranteed.

    just a colossal goatf*ck all round this last few weeks.

  20. Wallace

    Tim Stillman made a good point in that some of the blame for the Alexis fiasco must be placed at City’s door. if they really wanted him all summer why wait until the last day of the window to make the bid? unless it was just an unsettling tactic, and they had no intention of buying him.

  21. Wallace

    both Manc clubs have spent big and improved their squads. ourselves, Liverpool, Chelsea & the Spuds it’s a bit less clear. but we were definitely the team with most to do and we haven’t done it.

  22. Wallace

    “Borussia Dortmund have handed the number seven shirt vacated by Ousmane Dembele to an England youth international, after making the most left-field signing of transfer deadline day.

    The German giants have signed Manchester City and England Under-17 forward Jadon Sancho for a fee in the region of £10m.

    The 17-year-old – who wanted to leave Manchester – had stopped training with the club to force a move. City did not give him permission to speak to any British clubs and a long-term deal was agreed with German side Dortmund.”

    – bbc football

  23. Barney75

    Easier said that done but I wouldn’t even bother talking about Wenger anymore – just ignore the twat. He seems to love any attention, good or bad; if that dries up maybe it will send him over the edge.

  24. tonyd

    “Tim Stillman made a good point in that some of the blame for the Alexis fiasco must be placed at City’s door. if they really wanted him all summer why wait until the last day of the window to make the bid? unless it was just an unsettling tactic, and they had no intention of buying him.”

    According the Telegraph today City kept calling Gazidis only t be told Sanches was not for sale.

    Gazidis only told City yesterday afternoon Sanches was going to be allowed to leave the club because the had a replacement: Lemar.

    So City upped their bid, which was accepted by Gazidis.

    Lemar never wanted to plays for us or more importantly Wenger.

    Who can blame him?

    So Wenger pulled the plug on the deal.

    Bottom line is Wenger should have bid £70k 2 months ago and then Sanches could have gone to PSG or City.

    Not that it matter a jot because Lemar would have been wasted under Wenger and become demoralised soon enough.

    Although Lemar is young, he is smart and probably with even smarter advisors.

    Wenger had his chance to reinvent himself as he said he would and this is the sum total of his reinvention. He had the money to spend.

    Come over the the dark side Wallace, you’ll feel better in the end.

    We are all as pissed off as you are, but we expected this to happen as so many of the past 8 week’s posts confirm.

  25. Rhys Jaggar

    How it panned out, if DM transfer fees are remotely accurate, is that Arsenal spent lest than they received for selling players.

    Man Utd spent £140m net, Man City £100m net, Chelsea £80m net, Liverpool and Everton both north of £50m net, Spurs broke even.

    The only other team to make a profit was Burnley.

    Most smaller clubs spent £10-40m net.

    Those asking about Spurs stadium costs, the £800m appears to include all prepatory work, planning enquiries, compulsory purchases etc etc. There has not actually been a figure documented the narrow cost of the build, but information in the ether suggests the final loan figure will be around £400m and that Spurs have presumably been diverting revenues to the stadium account for a few years while keeping wages down.

    If you think they will have, say, 25 home games averaging 80,000 at £50 a pop, that is £100m revenues, probably an increase of £70m on last season. I suspect at least £50m of that is going to pay the builders, with the balance being paid to the FA in stadium rental. I am being conservative here: with huge corporate section, they might get £125m if season went really well…..

    As things currently stand, their loan facility is quasi bridging, as repayment is due in three years (presumably anticipating a mortgage refinancing against the newly built stadium asset).

    The transfer prices are perfect for them in terms of current player assets providing second-tier security against the loan. They could conceivably pay the stadium off in two years selling Dele, Erikssen, Dier, Rose at the top of the market. I doubt they will, but academy with the ability to pay top dog wages.

    So given todays crazy market, Spurs’ stadium debt will be far less onerous than that which Arsenal took on…..

  26. Moray

    ” Truely embarrassing that a player we chased all tw, turns us down at the 11th hour… someone please get arsene out of the club before he does irreparable damage to the club and brand or have we already crossed that line?”

    What do you think has been going on this last decade? We are seeing the results of a decade of mismanagement at all levels. And our fall will be swift. I suspect Gazidis will step down soon and I really think we could finish anywhere outside of the top 6 this year, things have become so serious.

  27. tonyd

    I got berated by many for wanting us to lose matches and the FA cup final last season, but Wenger puled a Houdini and beat clubs who were just about turning up and Chelsea who were already on their holidays even if it was a our best performance of the season.

    Wenger then got his contract and this is what we get, which so many of us saw happening after the FA final.

    You all sang ‘Only one Arse Wenger’ merrily at the final and this is how he pays all you ‘Wenger Ins’ for your unbridled support.

    Sorry to say it, but you reap what you sow.

  28. Leaving in a wooden box

    Wenger doesn’t give a fck about us fans….and we kind of know that and Wenger is seemingly immune from our protests or opinions.
    The media and pundits are now tearing into him, and this I believe does affect Wenger.
    The same people that for years creamed their pants over his beautiful football and his attacking style of football with cut-price inspired signings are now virtually exasperated by his decisions in all aspects of his management.
    Basically he can’t dismiss them with his “what do they know” putdowns.
    They are now on his back smelling blood. They will be the end of him and if he has any sense left in that addled brain he would start to spin his departure.
    The fckin idiot could have left in may, at least holding some decent memory to half the fans, instead he will leave with his tail between his legs. Knowing when to retire is usually a logical matter, sensible sportspeople weigh it up correctly…Wenger is so clearly not of sound mind.

  29. Adams Halfvolley

    Frankly I’ve totally had it.
    If you’re still going to games it should be to protest.
    Two years straight we have failed significantly, only to reward the manager with a two year extension.
    If the results continue to stink after this dereliction of duty in the transfer window there should be all out protest for a change at management and board level.

    Any football coach/owner that does not see the past 10 years as failure and continues to trouser the salary, in spite of the outright rejection of the paying fan base is a leech and will only go if pushed.

    Enough is enough.

  30. Moray

    Tony, exactly right. The club has the manager, transfer window, performances on the pitch it deserves. We are one of the most amateur set ups in the whole of football.

  31. qna

    Does anyone know if Arsenal season ticket holders can hand back their season tickets and get a partial refund less the games that have been played?

    I wonder if there could be a movement to gather fans en masse to do this. If 40,000 fans get refunds for their season tickets amd if those on the waiting list were also willing to participate in the movement it would be pretty effective. It would be hard for Arsenal to run based on tourist sales only. Especially for the smaller teams.

    As bad as the current situation is, it might actually be the opportunity for a catalyst for change. A change of the owner

  32. Moray

    Wenger will be gone by xmas. This is the first time the media has rounded on him like this. And he has a squad of players none of who, wants to be there. He’s fucked.

  33. Leaving in a wooden box

    I see no shame in praying for a Bournemouth win over us.
    The final nail in wengers box…..possibly?
    We are THAT close I’m certain of it.

  34. Johnsgiles

    That alone is negligent and sackable surely on its own can u imagine any other job where you can spunk £10m up the wall and not be accountable ?

  35. peanuts&monkeys

    how on earth is that joker Iwobi at Arsenal? bugger hasn’t scored one fucking goal in last three years here. what the fuck does he do? have you seen the way he moves around with his hands stuck between his armpits?

    WengeMF might not have found a single buyer interested in him in the entire 20 EPL teams. Thats Arsenal quality

  36. peanuts&monkeys

    that arsenal did not even add a CB this entire season indicates club might have put ArseneMF might have been robed off all transfer activity rights after last three results and the way the team is decoupled from him. could be….

    Amen

  37. peanuts&monkeys

    now with only one CB, arsenal are certain to ship in at least 20 goals in next 14 games till X’mas. Mark those words. those 20 are excluding the 8 they will ship in vs ManU and 4 vs Spurs. Ha H a ha ha.

    Arsenal fans are Supporters of Failure

  38. Radio Raheem

    Arsenal made £21m profit this window. That’s some of that CL lost revenue taken care of. We’ve also cut the wage bill by getting rid of more than ten players.

    If we somehow manage to still finish in the top 4, and that’s likely going by our record the last 20 years, why would an owner like Kroenke sack Wenger?

  39. TitsMcGee

    Wenger has wasted so much money.

    The dead weight on the roster.

    Chambers
    Diaby
    Sanogo.
    Mustafi (who he clearly doesn’t favor)
    Sanchez will walk on a free.
    Walcott.
    Perez.

    Etc etc

  40. TitsMcGee

    We’ve also cut the wage bill by getting rid of more than ten players.”

    Does Wenger’s salary count in your equation?

  41. Barney75

    Wenger will only be gone if relegation becomes a serious proposition or something comes out in the media on him. if we are muddling along at 6th-10th around X-mas I wouldn’t expect any change. Lower than that then could be a possibility. But that all depends on what the club’s objectives/goals are and they are unknown. Does anyone know what they are? For all we know Kroenke might be willing to accept the risk of a season in the Championship if it means having to pump in less investment in the short-term. Wenger might even see that as a challenge – ‘the man who brought us back up’…who knows what’s going on in his head.

  42. Mark

    I watched the Liverpool match again ( glutton for punishment I know ) just to see his reaction ( or lack of ) during the game.

    It seems clear to me that he doesn’t have a fucking clue. People are giving him far too much credit, implying he is deliberately trying to sabotage anything. He just doesn’t have a clue !
    Head in hands, picking his teeth, not able to influence our game in any way, or make in game changes based on what’s going on in front of him. .

    The whole universe knows he’s finished. If he offered any kind of vision or ambition no CL this season would not affect transfers .

    ” We’re aiming to get straight back in this season, and I want you to be the star this season that helps us to do it. ”

    ” Non merci, I’ll take Klopp & Pool all day. Only place you look like bouncing is into the championship.” Replies Lemar.
    Lemar doesn’t want to come cos he’s seen & heard Wenger is finished.

  43. Mgb

    Hopefully Sanchez writes us a letter like RVP did explaining how the set up is a shit show then gets a massive ban for thinning a Bournemouth player after 20 seconds

    That’ll get the media all over the club n pressurise some action

    Would love to know what usmanov is thinking right now

  44. Ishola70

    Somehow and likely to finish top four in the same sentence.

    Have you seen the odds for Arsenal to win the EPL?

    Many bookies have Arsenal double the price to win the EPL in comparison to Spurs. This sort of stuff has never been seen before. It is absolutely damning.

    Many said on here that there was a faint hope that Arsenal might get top four if they got the back three system right and tightened up. Others said it was false hope. Well it looks like those that said it was complete false hope have been proved correct because it looks more than likely that Wenger now abandons the back three and goes back to back four. The central midfield is going to hurt Arsenal more than enough times this season. It is simply not good enough that central midfield. Far too many flaws in it.

    Top four is going to be hard for Arsenal to obtain and it doesn’t matter one jot how good Arsenal’s record was prior to last season to get in those CL places. It is about the here and now not previous records.

  45. Ishola70

    Alexis Sanchez must be absolutely gutted.

    He won’t show it outwardly because that is not his way but deep down he must be highly pissed off.

    To have your international team mates congratulate you on a move and then to have that taken away must be absolutely embarrassing for him.

    He has got individual professional pride so he will get his head down and do the business for periods but it is very dubious now whether it will be sustained and consistent for the whole season. We know previously he is a tough player and doesn’t shy off with injuries but as others have said will be no surprise at all that overnight he will become a player this season that will all of a sudden become a player with re-occurring niggling injuries.

  46. raptora

    Yes. I’ve always had hope, as a fan it’s normal, but I believed we could have a decent go at it if the stars align in a good way for us. Not this season. It’s gone from bad to worse. I have no belief that we could finish as champions while top 4 looks very hard to achieve as well. Still we’re going to be around it in my opinion. The stories how we’re going to end up in relegation battle are bollocks. I won’t miss a game of the team but I’m well aware that the team spirit is low. You cannot achieve anything with a low team spirit. We needed something to cheer us up from last season’s rough times and instead the summer window has made us even more depressed and sad. No excuses could work anymore. Hopefully they saved a good amount of money for the new manager when they decide that the time is right for a change. It’s always going to be late, hopefully it’s not going to be too late now.

  47. Ishola70

    David Smith:
    “Kroenke has struck”

    Quickest way to get rid of Kroenke is to usher Wenger out of the back door. Yes that Arsene Wenger that you like to deflect from.

    Kroenke’s initial interest in Arsenal was due to Arsene Wenger. Kroenke is owner of Arsenal because of Arsene Wenger. Arsene Wenger was his attraction in the first place not Arsenal Football Club.

    So let’s get rid of the accountant cum football manager and just get in a football manager minus the accountant part in.

    That should be the first step in seeing Kroenke up sticks and go.

  48. Elmo

    “I think 4th-6th is the best we can hope for now, but even that will depend on our best player getting over his disappointment and performing somewhere close to his best.”

    Yup. It shows how bad things have got that for the first time in recent memory, finishing 4th is seen as the very highest goal we could aspire to this season, and only then if everything went in our favour.

    Sanchez is going to be pissed. Chile were thrashed 0-3 at home by Paraguay last night, putting their WC qualification in doubt (they have to play Bolivia away, who rarely lose at altitude, and Brazil away). I’m sure he will be blaming Arsenal and Wenger for once again creating needless instability.

  49. Pierre

    Wenger was damned if he did. And damned if he didn’t regarding Sanchez , ox and ozil and he and the club have brought it all on themselves due to their incompetence in not sorting out their contracts last year.
    We were lucky that Liverpool were stupid enough to give us 40 mil for ox but the Sanchez/Lemar deal was a fiasco . Amateurish is what CC called it and he was right .
    Wenger will probably survive as per usual , at least for the next 2 months as our run of 9 games with 6 at home consist of Doncaster, 3 crappy Europa league sides, Bournemouth ,Brighton ,Watford ,west brom and Chelsea will give him breathing space.
    I think the shit will really hit the fan after these games when we play city, Spurs and Utd .

  50. Carts

    If losing expedites Wenger’s fate thenbring on that loss to Bournemouth.

    After intl break, I’d love to be a blue bottle fly siting on Bould’s head just listening to Wenger’s bastardised Evey Given Groundhog Day Speech.

    Value, love, respect. As soon as someone yawns at the nonsense, I’d fly down their fucking throat

  51. Carts

    Pierre

    Only an idiot would damn Wenger if sold he Sanchez. Keeping Sanchez could be detrimental.

    You’re essentially asking a player who wants to leave, to now give it his all so we get back into the top. Said play will be 29 by the time he leaves. Arsenal stand to make, at very most, £25mif he’s sold in January

  52. Marko

    Joke club. Honestly if they had any sense they’d use the international break to get rid of the manager and bring in someone else. Other than that it’s drab performances all season long with the more than occasional hammering from a half decent side

  53. Barney75

    Even if Wenger was sacked half-way through the season I wouldn’t get too excited (apart from the relief that he’s finally gone) . Last time that happened at Arsenal we got Stuart Houston to finish the season off, which wasn’t pretty. Which could mean we get Steve Bould for six months. Depending on the state of things at Xmas any prospective long-term managerial options may want to see where we are come May. At best we’d get a mr fixit like Gus Hiddink in.

  54. Leaving in a wooden box

    Wenger has been kept afloat by money, and historically by a great set of players he inherited. Of course his inroads into the French superstars helped as well.
    He got massively lucky…in those early years his reputation was boosted by the winning mentality and success of those Graham’s warriors.
    Next after the warriors departed he had the excuse cushion of funding the Emirates….PERFECT reason for slowly failing on the pitch.
    But he had great players like RVP Cesc and for one season nasri, to dig out results and get that 4th spot.
    Then the really stellar signings of Sanchez ozil etc….these guys can win matches in a blink of an eye…again covering Wenger’s ineptitude.
    Now all these props have gone…the world sees Wenger as he really is…how many of us have realised for 5-15 years, that this charlatan has conned a reputation on the back of some amazingly fortuitous circumstances.
    Good riddance!
    I’ve always wondered what Wenger would be like managing Burnley or derby…Yknow where he had to get hands-on and motivate, bollock the players, and make do with a small budget.
    He would be sunk in 6 weeks.

  55. David Smith

    Ishola, dont get me wrong, I would have Wenger out tomorrow, he is disgustingly complicit in everything Kroenke does, arguably makes wenger worse as he is supposed to be a football person.
    But the fact remains, Kroenke is the worst of owners

  56. Elmo

    Barney75

    The second Wenger leaves the building, there’s scope for all the people who have been controlled and suppressed by him to begin reshaping the club, from the lowest level up. That means coaches doing specific work on tactics, executives proposing new models for how the club should be structured in the future, and realistic planning being carried out for future transfer windows. There might still be external limitations applied by Kroenke (e.g a requirement that the club at least breaks even in any financial year), but there will finally be room for new thinking and a cleaning out of the accumulated cobwebs of the last decade.

  57. Bamford10

    David Smith

    Wenger is not “complicit” in Kroenke’s plan. The plan is Wenger’s. Kroenke is an absentee landlord who has placed full and complete faith in Arsene Wenger. You are misrepresenting the situation.

  58. Park Chu-young's left testicle

    A little piece of Arsenal dies with every passing day.

    Surely he won’t last the two seasons? If it takes an extremely poor run of results, so be it. Unfortunately there are supporters, I know one, who flip-flop – a couple of decent results and they’re back on board the Wenger bus.

  59. Coach 15

    Wenger will probably survive as per usual , at least for the next 2 months as our run of 9 games with 6 at home consist of Doncaster, 3 crappy Europa league sides, Bournemouth ,Brighton ,Watford ,west brom and Chelsea will give him breathing space.
    ————-
    Don’t be to sure about that. Didn’t we lose to Watford and west brom last season,and were on the rack against Bournemouth.
    That defence he’s left with has cover he clearly doesn’t trust,that he’ll have to use up to January if injuries occur. Said last night,if he reverts to a back 4,big Sam flagging up how to beat us,we could be dragged into a relegation fight. If that’s the case you need a untied team,and a manager who can coach game management/tactics!

  60. Guns of Hackney

    All

    It’s great talking but you need to act. We have seen a decade of abysmal performances. We have seen a decade of mismanagement. A decade of terrible recruitment.

    He’s still there and was only just rewarded £10m a season.

    This is NOT failure in Arsenal’s or Kronke’s eyes, merely ‘business’ as usual.

    Everyone except the fans is making money. The board are rich, the manager is rich, the players are rich. This system is working for them so why change anything? They had a chance to twist but they stuck knowing that with Wenger, the status quo will always remain.

    If you go to games. You’re compliant. If you buy merchandise. You’re compliant. Get it?

    Unless you make a decision, what we are seeing will continue. You must choose whether you want Arsenal to be what they are: a business or go back to being a football club.

    It’s totally in your hands.

  61. Ishola70

    David Smith:
    ” dont get me wrong, I would have Wenger out tomorrow, he is disgustingly complicit in everything Kroenke does, arguably makes wenger worse as he is supposed to be a football person.
    But the fact remains, Kroenke is the worst of owners”

    Don’t think anyone disputes that at all.

    Have said on here numerous times that he is a useless owner and a leech and that is why I have stated what I think is the quickest and best way to get him out and that is to show the door to Wenger as Wenger is the reason Kroenke is at Arsenal in the first place.

    Sentiments really need to be put aside here however difficult it may be for some because the end of Wenger at Arsenal could have the domino affect of seeing the end of Kroenke as well.

  62. Bamford10

    Best option now is to revert to 4-3-3 and use this XI:

    _________Cech
    Bell__Must__Kosc__Kola
    _____Xhaka__Elneny
    ________Ramsey
    Ozil______Lacaz___Alexis

    But Wenger will fuck even this up and continue to play Ozil centrally (pointlessly).

  63. Champagne charlie

    “Club is being absolutely pilloried online. Joke of world football at the moment. All on Arsene Wenger.”

    Except this shitshow isn’t all on one man, the entire shitshow is down to Kroenke, BoD, and Wenger.

    Every one of those needs removing and replacing.

  64. Pierre

    Watching Gary Neville on sky, he sort of echoed my sentiments in that re arsenal’s transfer window.
    I know it all has to be negative on here and I understand that because it’s an anti Wenger site but Neville said that arsenal had a good window in the fact that they have bought a top class striker in lacazette, a quality left back in Kolasinac and have kept sanchez and Ozil.. We have unloaded a lot of the surplus to requirements plus ox who will be no loss.
    Neville remarked that the loss to Liverpool and the inept performance by the team is the reason why the media and fans think it was a bad window which is exactly the text I sent to a mate who’s a Liverpool fan.
    Is it enough, no way near.. Will it win us the league, no chance.. Will be it win us Europa, FA cup or league cup.. Possibly..
    Does it get Wenger out of the shit.. No.

    Waiting for the abuse..

  65. Biggles

    I don’t understand why we made selling Sanchez contingent on signing Lemar. He was always an unlikely signing and we’ve pissed away £60m. I can’t see Sanchez giving 100% and I suspect he’ll be rather “injured” this season, which means we’d be as well having Welbeck playing left wing , which is the we-sold-Sanchez-and-didn’t-have-time-to-sign-anybody backup plan anyway.

    As an aside, does anybody else think that the transfer fees might be a bubble that will burst? I don’t see how it’s sustainable for prices to have inflated so much, because it means that outside of the EPL and PSG/Real/Barca/Bayern/Juve, nobody else will be able to afford top players. I get that some players like Neymar carry a premium for being absolutely elite, but Mbappe and Dembele are also costing £60m+ on top of the cost of say Lukaku, who is very good, but not in my mind absolutely elite. Aside from a couple of windows where the richest clubs accumulate the greatest players, the cycle can’t continue if the lower teams don’t keep re-investing the cash. Dortmund spend £10m on some kid to replace Dembele, they didn’t drop £90m on somebody. Monaco didn’t spend nearly as much as they received. Surely it can’t continue…

  66. Dissenter

    We are the laughing stock of European football
    We turned down £10m from West Brom for Kieran Gibbs in July then sold him to the same club for £7m close to deadline day.
    We really can’t be considered an elite club any more because top clubs have world class management which we are clearly lacking.
    Gazidis is just getting paid for nothing. The statDNA purchase has proven to be a failure already and he clearly is just man without integrity. He ought to have walked away when he lost the showdown with Wenger.

  67. Champagne charlie

    Pierre

    We have a squad good enough for top 4, I was saying that all through the hysteria. But look at Arsenal from the moment we finished 5th until today.

    Amateurish. We added two first team players, let one first team player go, and made almost 30 mil profit. That’s on top of resigning a manager who didn’t deserve it.

    So yes, I get we’ve made two good purchases and kept Alexis, but our dealings and behaviour has been an embarrassment. We showed spineless leadership from the top as usual, and instead of aggressive purging and then recruiting all summer we postured and postured until we fucked up things come the 11th hour.

    Lacazette was a need, Kolasinac was a need…. but where’s Mustafis replacement, Alexis’s replacement, Ox’s replacement, Elnenys replacement, Chambers replacement, Ozils replacement? Seeing a silver lining is admirable of sorts, but if fans take that approach then we’ve lowered the demands of excellence we place on the club and ultimately accept whatever they give us. That’s not how it should be.

  68. Pierre

    Champagne Charlie
    Disappointed in you..
    You have allowed yourself to be brainwashed by the media and people like marko… Shame on you.

    Take a step back and get a grip and think logically…

    Just remember, there is nothing worse than a gloating WOB….

  69. Biggles

    Anyway, I’ll make an armchair scouting suggestion, the same way I tipped Virgil Van Dijk and Victor Wanyama.

    Jason Denayer.

    He’s a 22 year old Belgian centre-half who is signed to Manchester City. He’s never made the first team and has spent a season on loan at Celtic where he played alongside Van Dijk. Then a season at Galatasaray, last season at Sunderland, and now back to Galatasaray for this season. He’s been capped by Belgium a few times, although his last game for them was the defeat by Wales at the Euros, where he did have a bit of a nightmare. He’s got Champions League experience with Galatasaray.

    I mention him because he was on a par with VVD (who we could have signed for ~£13m) who is now supposedly worth £50m+.

  70. Elmo

    Think about it like this. Wenger effectively decided to sign Sanchez on a one year loan deal at £67m (£60m cash foregone + £7m wages).

    Would a single person think this was a good idea if suggested as such?

    There’s simply no long-term planning going on at the club.

  71. Dissenter

    Biggles,
    “”Does anybody else think that the transfer fees might be a bubble that will burst? I don’t see how it’s sustainable for prices to have inflated so much, because it means that outside of the EPL and PSG/Real/Barca/Bayern/Juve, nobody else will be able to afford top players.”

    I’m not sure that’s true
    Spuds got Serge Aurier for only £23 million and his wages will fit into their sub 110k weekly budget.
    They also got Juan Foyth, one of the best prospects in South American football who was wanted by Real Madrid and Juventis for about £8 million.

    There are still good deals to be had with good scouting and groundwork.

  72. Champagne charlie

    Pierre

    Hold the phone here, the media has had no influence on how I see things. I knew exactly what I wanted from Arsenal as a reaction this summer to Wengers worst ever season in charge.

    I wanted new management to breath life into us, and a refresh of players along the lines of 5 out, 5 in. That was easily achievable with thorough planning and execution.

    Alexis for Lemar
    Mustafi for VvD/Evans/Sanches
    Chambers for Aurier
    Ox for Barkley

    All those could’ve been achieved with minimal effort and we’d have a new manger with fresh ideas taking on our newly invigorated squad. The total outlay would’ve broken almost even. But Arsenal response to being abject last term is to earn the 2nd highest profit this summer behind Swansea.

    Are you happy with this summer?

  73. Dissenter

    Pierre,
    You must be the last standing AKB:-)
    “You have allowed yourself to be brainwashed by the media and people like marko… Shame on you. Take a step back and get a grip and think logically…”

    Good God.
    If only you took your own advice and just opened your eyes to see what’s in front of you. All you see is the Wenger of 2002.

  74. Steveyg87

    After the Liverpool game, Wenger should have transfer listed Ramsey. He simply refuses to learn his lesson, he had the perfect opportunity to redeem himself to a certain extent this summer, he has in no way even tried to, if anything, he looks more of a c**t now. CM postion, which is now critical, he has failed to address. For 11 years now, he’s been trying the Barca approach and failed horrendously. I couldn’t believe how lucky we were when Barca came sniffing for Bellerin, but no, we managed to f**k that deal too. Wenger and Ivan’s words have become hollow and I hope that they are found out this season.

  75. Marko

    Lacazette was a need, Kolasinac was a need…. but where’s Mustafis replacement, Alexis’s replacement, Ox’s replacement, Elnenys replacement, Chambers replacement, Ozils replacement? Seeing a silver lining is admirable of sorts, but if fans take that approach then we’ve lowered the demands of excellence we place on the club and ultimately accept whatever they give us. That’s not how it should be.

    Very true. I’d argue though the demands of excellence are long gone from the club. Won’t be back until we actually have people who demand excellence.

    Make no mistake about we ain’t getting top 4 that defence and midfield will see to that not to mention our two biggest superstars will likely half ass it all season (in Ozil’s case for the entirety of his contract). He’s lost the dressing room absolutely no doubt about that and that’s even before we get to potential injuries. Any injuries to Koscielny or Bellerin and we’re down to the bare bones.

  76. Barney75

    Elmo

    Let’s hope so but Wenger’s influence on the club will linger, it won’t just disappear over night. Don’t expect a seismic shift in our fortunes the moment he’s gone. It could take a few years of further pain to totally purge him from the club but as long as progress is evident I’ll take that.

  77. Steveyg87

    “Alexis for Lemar
    Mustafi for VvD/Evans/Sanches
    Chambers for Aurier
    Ox for Barkley”

    This and more could’ve been done with ease. Never mind the fact that we now have the weakest midfield in the league now

  78. Marko

    Signings the club should have made this summer had they the inclination to try to be successful. Either Lemar or Bernardo Silva earlier in the window. Two of Goretska/Tielemens/Matuidi/Bakayoko/Tolisso. Ricardo Pereira coming off the back of a fantastic loan spell at Nice would have been good for RWB. CB is a tough one I suppose Manolas was moving earlier in the window for around 30 million.

    For the price we were seemingly willing to pay for Lemar yesterday we could have bought Bernardo Silva and Bakayoko or we could have bought Bernardo Silva and Tielemens and Blaise Matuidi.

    We ain’t got a plan

  79. Elmo

    Pierre

    “Watching Gary Neville on sky, he sort of echoed my sentiments in that re arsenal’s transfer window.
    I know it all has to be negative on here and I understand that because it’s an anti Wenger site but Neville said that arsenal had a good window in the fact that they have bought a top class striker in lacazette, a quality left back in Kolasinac and have kept sanchez and Ozil.. We have unloaded a lot of the surplus to requirements plus ox who will be no loss.”

    The problem is the club aren’t learning from the mistakes that have been made and building for the future.

    Sanchez SHOULD have been sold, because it’s too much of a gamble to assume that one player can carry you back to the CL, especially when you finished 5th last season when he had a career season. Arsenal aren’t a sugardaddy club, so effectively paying £67m for one season from a player is way, way too much.

    I don’t think much could be done with Ozil because no one wants him when a transfer fee is involved. The last chance to move him was probably summer 2016, and coming into this summer it was most likely that he would run down his contract to open up better options.

    A very worrying facet is that the club didn’t react to this summer’s contracts fiasco by taking steps to prevent the same happening next summer (Ramsey, Walcott, Welbz etc entering the final year), by either selling or extending the contracts of the affected players. There was no international tournament this summer; why not take action this summer? If you want to keep them, extend them. If you don’t, sell them now while you still have control over proceedings, and then replace them.

    Positive moves for the future were bringing in two young, talented first team players in Lacazette and Kolasinac, bringing in £35-40m for a player in the final year of their contract (Ox), and starting to rationalise the wage bill (even if the sales we made were for largely pitiful amounts that indicate just how much we had been overpaying our squad players).

  80. Tonyd

    Pierre
    Charlie is making perfect sense as he has often recently regarding the TW.

    Having said that this squad isn’t good enough for top 4 under Wenger, and I seriously doubt it would be with a new manager until the CM and defence is sorted out.

    Sorry mate I know you desperately want the good times back: however, it’s time to wake up to the fact that Wenger needs to go as well as every one above him.

    Let’s start with Wenger first.

  81. Pierre

    CC
    not happy at all because I wanted mahrez for ozil, lemar for sanchez and Nzonzi for whoever..

    I will go back to the Liverpool and stoke games and the influence those results have had on everyone.
    Wenger is totally at fault for his ridiculous team selections for those 2 games. the players were confused and looked bewildered by the selections and tactics.
    The season will depend on whether Wenger can sort the team out which is not that difficult… All he has to do is play the players in their correct positions, play lacazette and Kolasinac and stabilise the midfield (no Ramsey) and pray that sanchez and Ozil play to their maximum.

  82. Pierre

    Tonyd
    Sorry mate I know you desperately want the good times back: however, it’s time to wake up to the fact that Wenger needs to go as well as every one above him.”

    100% agree that they need to go…

  83. Confidentgoner

    Folks, it is what it is. We have a terrible manager and an uninterested owner. For us to enjoy football, we must now elevate our Arsenal discussions to ” what might” or to a “fantasy Arsenal” existing only in our minds. Let’s hope that he will fall hard enough to merit a sack and a share sale by Kronke.

    Now considering the players we have, how might we be more effective? I would still play the 343 but with different personnel.

    _________Cech
    Must__Mert/Holding__Kosc
    Bell___Niles__Elneny__Kola
    Web____Lacaz/Giroud___Alexis

    Benching : Ozil, Xhaka, Montreal, etc.

    Elneny will play ahead of Niles, while Niles will be the DM, in front of the defense, his best position. He is our best tackler.

    Bring in Nelson when we are winning or chasing the game , to replace Welbeck. Bring in Ozil to replace Elneny when we are chasing.

    If Jack is strong and fit, he can come in for Elneny at times.

    Welbeck will help the right wing, while Kolsnic will boss the right wing with Koscielny.

    Our mid cannot be ruffled over any more. Furthermore, we can change from 343 to 442. However, 343 is good going forward, but our problem is that we fail to play it right when out of possession. It should be 541 when defending! We also allow outfitted players of our opponent to be free when we attack, allowing them to take the ball before we have a chance to regroup. Schoolboy errors that a £10m a year manager should sort out.

  84. Confidentgoner

    The hole in our midfield affects our defense. Playing players out of position further compounds it. Then being tactless with our shape takes us to new levels of incompetence.

    Once Xhaka and Ramsey are benched, then we can cover the hole. The next task is then playing round pegs in round holes and sensible tactics and hardworking boys.

    Ozil playing 90minutes should not happen anymore. Best to start him from the bench. Once Ozil, Ramsey and Xhaka know that they are bench players, the work ethic of the boys would change.

  85. Mgb

    Unless there’s investment from the owner/ owners even for one season ie 2 Windows and a major increase in commercial / sponsorship at the club we can get used to this type of window

    Also he needs to play players in their proper positions how can Lacazette be the striker he was at Lyon by playing deeper than our midfield or going out wide.

  86. Samesong

    Take the relegation odds on offer now – they’re going to tumble over the next 2-3 months.

    Really, relegations a bit too far fetched.

  87. Coach 15

    SS
    Relegation may be a bit far fetched,but if they do come unstuck against B’mouth, Watford,WBA ,Chelsea,your are risk of starting to be dragged into a relegation battle.
    With our fixtures in November and our regular xmas/Jan slump,nothing can now be off the table with this clown.

  88. Jacko

    Talk about liking to rub salt into the wounds.

    So after the shambles of yet another TW, the club chooses today, to make public, the addition of more club seating.

    In other words, fuck you…and give us more of your money.

    Values my arse.