£72m release clause unlikely to be activated | SUPER GOOOOOOAL

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It’s all about the players heading out the door at the moment. The latest two stories are geared around Chamberlain, who is attracting a £35m from Chelsea, and Alexis, who has City gearing up a £60m bid.

It’s distressing our summer is being bothered by two players who only have a year left on their deals, but if we’re strong, then I guess it won’t be such an issue in the short term.

Chambo is a tough one. He’s 23 years old, he’s shown some promise in a new position that would normally be occupied by Bellerin, and he’s dropping numbers stats wise. However, it has to be noted that he’s been pretty average for years now. If he’s not in terrible form, he’s out injured. It’s no coincidence he’s putting in the good form now there’s a contract on the line.

Do we keep him, and deal with the full on Theo effect – where we overpay because we’re weak on the leverage front – then suffer 4 years of average as he mails it in. Or do we sell him to Conte who beasts him into the player we know he could become?

A tough decision. I’d probably be inclined to sell him if there’s a player we could buy in his place. Namely, because there are just some players Wenger can’t improve. Chamberlain appears to be one of them. Maybe a new coach and a fresh outlook is what he needs for his career? £35m is better than nothing at the end of the season. As far as I can see, we’re losing both ways. He signs and has a good year, he’ll leave. If he stays and plays shite, he’ll leave in a year. Might as well take the mullah.

The Alexis story is a non-starter for me. They have no one that’s attainable that I’d be interested in swap wise. They are a rival with a hole in their front line Sanchez could fill. We simply can’t allow the Chilean to there. PSG or no-one in my opinion.

If anyone needed further evidence that Juve have lost their damn minds this summer, they’re eyeing up Jack Wilshere along with AC Milan, Roma and Sampdoria. I hope someone lands him. A lost talent who needs a new club to shake some passion into him. The thought of Jack picking up some culture in Italy fills me with joy. Sun, great food, and the arts. What more could a young lad want?

Talking of young lads. Reiss Nelson scored a wonder goal in the reserves. Take that in. SPECIAL.

Finally, let’s end on some banter. Some papers are linking us to Asensio. He has a £72m release clause and we’re going to test their resolve. PUUUUURLEASE.

“He wanted me to stay, I wanted to stay too, always said that, my plan was to use pre-season to win a place in the squad, and that is how it has turned out.

“I am here to fight for a place, I am available for him whenever he needs me. I am comfortable in any position in attack, either side or in the centre.”

Looks like that one is dead in the water.

RIGHT, see you tomorrow. Pray for more positivity on the transfer front.

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  1. Emiratesstroller

    Thierry Henry has reinforced my view that Wenger focuses too much on the
    entertainment value and attacking side of our game and neglects consequently the way we play defensively.

    I have made the case consistently, which was challenged by several other posters last year that if you win the League Title as opposed to FA Cup then you need to build a defensively compact unit.

    Looking back at the Wenger era over 21 years only one team has won the Title
    conceding more than 37 goals [under 1 a game] and that was Manchester City.

    Wenger’s teams in recent times are more likely than not to leak far too many
    goals and that has been always our problem.

    An efficient defence and midfield needs to be disciplined and a well drilled unit. Arsenal’s midfield players are positionally poor and the wing backs are
    far too focussed on attack.

    Our defence continue to play zonal marking and are too often reacting slowly
    to what opposition does at corners and free kicks.

    A top manager and coaching team would understand this and instil a work ethic into the team. If players cannot adapt then you offload them.

    Sadly Wenger has not learned this lesson, which is why Arsenal have not been
    title contenders for so many years.

    Having made that point it does not mean that winning the FA Cup is worthless
    as so many posters suggest. If you discount the Community Shield there are
    only two other domestic trophies to win.

    Realistically only one club a season can win the League Title and last year only
    3 clubs won trophies including ourselves. Man City, Spurs and Liverpool won
    nothing.

  2. raptora

    on whether the Ox will be here at the end of the season…
    Yes.

    on why he thinks that…
    Personally, because I rate him highly and he’s one of the players who is on his way up. In the last year, he has made huge progress and I want him to stay here for a long time. I’m convinced he will be the English player that everybody will look at in the next two years.

    on if he’ll keep Ox no matter what…
    Yes, I have regular conversations with the players where I tell them where I stand and they know what I want and where I stand on that front.

    on if he’s pleased that transfer requests haven’t been handed in…
    Yes, I’m very happy about that, because I believe it’s important that you have a serene atmosphere inside, and clarity as well about your commitment. That’s why we spoke about the transfer window. It’s important that the players are not half in and half out, but completely in.

    on if club is strong enough financially to potentially run down high-profile contracts…
    Look, let’s not be wrong, it’s not an ideal situation on the financial side and it demands some sacrifice but first of all it doesn’t mean the players who are in the final year of their contract will not extend their contract. You have still that possibility and we work on that as well.

    on whether he expects a busy end to the transfer window…
    Getting players out keeps you as busy as getting players in. I think I will be busy, yes.

  3. Wallace

    Don

    yes, could easily put him in there. not much between any of Mert, Monreal & Holding for the final spot. they all bring something different.

  4. raptora

    So there will be players who will leave, Perez for sure.
    Ox is expected to sign a new contract.
    He says that they are working on renewing contracts on players with one year left meaning that Ozil is likely to sign a new contract. (meh…)
    Alexis is expected to leave on the free next year.

  5. raptora

    Wallace,
    The questions are if we are going to start with Ox or Bellerin (probably Bellerin because Wenger…), if we are going to start with Ramsey or Elneny, who’s going to be the third guy alongside Mustafi and Nacho.
    I’d go with Ox, Elneny and Mert. We need to be secure on the ball – Elneny. We need to have height and experience in the team especially vs Stoke away as we are not expected to have the ball 75% of the time – Mertesacker. We need to be dangerous sometimes on the break, or even in general – Ox who is classes ahead of Bellerin in offence.

  6. Emiratesstroller

    raptora

    My concern with what is going on at Arsenal is not whether we hold onto Sanchez or sell him. With the current contract rules Arsenal are in control of
    the situation until 30th June 2018. Thereafter the player can do what he likes.

    Arsenal paid £35 million transfer fee for this player which equates to £8.75 million per annum. His salary is costing us this year just over £7 million.

    Replacing him with equivalent player between ages of 23-26 if such a player exists in market at moment would cost Arsenal at least £90-100 million +
    wages of at least £300K PW. So it does make sense holding onto him.

    On the other hand having 8-10 players in your squad whose contracts end in
    2018 without contract resolution is not clever. Arsenal are unlikely to replace
    that number of players over next two summers. The cost will be prohibitive.

  7. Black Hei

    raptora

    I would start Ramsey over Elneny in a back 3 formation any day.

    Ramsey has a lot more than Elneny. El is hardworking and careful but in a stalemate and without Sanchez in the lineup, we do not have enough firepower to breakdown sides.

    The Stoke we know is no longer the Stoke of old. Leicester is now more Stoke-like than Stoke itself.

  8. Cesc Appeal

    Sounds as if we are done in the market then.

    Gazidis should never be allowed to forget his ridiculous ‘catalyst for change’ comments.

    We’re setting up to fail again. Fourth place at very best this year.

    Forgetting about success in the now, because with Wenger it is pretty moot, we do need someone to tidy this club up from top to bottom in terms of its long term future. Wages, contracts, transfers, coaches etc, all needs looking at.

    Especially considering Wenger’s deal is going to need sorting this time next year, unless the egotist is going to go into a season like last season having admitted it destabilised the whole side. Which would not surprise me.

    He either needs to quit at the end of this season, or sign an extension next summer.

  9. WestLondonGoon

    ES

    If Wenger continues the running down of contracts because that’s how football is going to go in the future, we will have 3 leaving at the end of this season, with no money incoming for replacements; next season it will be another 10, again with no transfer money coming in. We will literally have nothing for wages in a few years. The man is mad.

    How does he think he will replace them? Just expect other teams to givve us their players?

    What message does it send out to the other players in the squad to see players just walking away?

    He is ganbling with the future of the club here.

  10. Emiratesstroller

    Wallace

    Ox is a talented young footballer and the club should [must] retain his services, but only if he signs a new contract. In contrast to Sanchez and Ozil who will be 30 next season and diminishing assets this is not the case with Ox. To allow him to leave at age of 24 on Bosman would be madness.

    My view for what it is worth is that Ox should become our first string right
    wing back providing he signs new contract. He has played the position better
    than Bellerin last season. It is only a matter of time before Barcelona comes
    calling again for Bellerin.

    We could lose both in next two summers unless we make right decision.

  11. HighburyLegend

    “will be very relieved if the Ox stays. think he could be very big for us this year.”
    Awesome… is this wenga speaking ??

  12. raptora

    Black Hei,
    If it’s going to be Ramsey from the FAC final vs Chelsea – YES, PLEASE! That Ramsey could be a world class player. The desire in his game was second to none. It would move mountains for us if he could replicate the performance in that game more often this season.
    If he is his usual undisciplined self though I’d go Elneny.

  13. WestLondonGoon

    If Wenger had any balls, assuming Ozil isn’t going to sign a new contract, he should be announcing that Arsenal are inviting bids for his transfer before the close of this transfer window.

    There is no apparent interest in him currently, so we need to create a market place, recoup something back, get his wages off the books, and just get him out of the club.

    If he stays, and has this dream of a season that all of the last year contract rebels are apparently going to have, his leaving next year will just leave a bigger hole to fill. Getting rid now, would be an easier fix (even with our current players), because Ozil’s output hasn’t been consistent enough for his enormous wage.

    That last comment could probably be applied to at least a third of our squad, but I think everyone on here is agreed on that point anyway.

  14. Ishola70

    ES:
    “Thierry Henry has reinforced my view that Wenger focuses too much on the
    entertainment value and attacking side of our game and neglects consequently the way we play defensively.I have made the case consistently, which was challenged by several other posters last year that if you win the League Title as opposed to FA Cup then you need to build a defensively compact unit.”

    Which posters ES were arguing against that?

    Which buffoons were actually disputing this?

  15. raptora

    “Real Madrid’s hopes of signing Kylian Mbappe have been given a boost with Paris Saint-Germain now doubting whether they should push on with their pursuit of the Monaco sensation, reports Marca.

    There is supposedly a continent-wide backlash against the Ligue 1 club following their world-record purchase of Neymar, and bringing in the 18-year-old would only antagonise that further.”

    LoL at the second paragraph! Who hates PSG now that they bought Neymar?! Haven’t read anyone in this forum to rage at them, or any of my friends. Neymar initiated the transfer because he wasn’t happy at Barca, PSG paid the release clause. End of story. The Farcelona media brainwasher at it again…

  16. Sanmi

    The Arsenal manager was once again quizzed about the Chilean’s future at Wednesday’s press conference, and he once again reiterated his stance.

    on Alexis and whether he’ll sign a new contract…
    Look, at the moment no, because we have not progressed on that front. At the moment he is a player who goes into the final year of his contract and prepares for the season. We have not made any progress on the other front.

    on whether he is really willing to let Alexis leave for free next summer…
    That is a consequence of what I say, yes, unfortunately. But we have to make a choice between efficiency on the field and financial interest and most of the time if you can find a good compromise, it’s better. But in this case, I think I prioritise the fact that he will be useful on the sporting side.

    Read more at https://www.arsenal.com/news/wenger-why-he-so-determined-keep-alexis#fvlfADUr0OVpAcXr.99
    Read more at https://www.arsenal.com/news/wenger-why-he-so-determined-keep-alexis#TxWQb4XSchzqP8CJ.99

    He stays! End of

  17. Sanmi

    BoomslangAugust 16, 2017 11:28:21
    “Which buffoons were actually disputing this?”Probably the usual diehard, AKB buffoons

    I am one of them

  18. Ishola70

    lol Wenger always starts a sentence with “Look” when he is irritated.

    “Look, Sanchez is not going to sign a new contract, Just fvck off”

    lol

  19. Sanmi

    How compact defensively was man city when they won the league? How uncompact was the invincibles, whatever your response you are screwed.

  20. Emiratesstroller

    Ishola 70

    Last year quite a few!

    There were quite a number who disputed my argument the league is won by
    the most defensively frugal team.

    Chelsea won the title under Mourinho in consecutive years conceding 15 and
    22 goals. Man Utd won the Title under Fergie in following three seasons conceding 27,22 and 24 goals. Contrast that with how our team plays now.

    Anyone who watched Arsenal play under George Graham will understand the
    point. The back line were seldom if ever out of position. They were a well drilled unit and Wenger benefited from that, because he was able to harness
    more gifted players in front of that wall in safe knowledge that if they made a
    mistake it would not be fatal.

    Wenger’s teams today lack that discipline and organisation.

  21. Marko

    A sustained title challenge (notice I’m not saying a title win) would be deemed a successful season for this club who hasn’t challenged in so long.

  22. Sanmi

    There were quite a number who disputed my argument the league is won by
    the most defensively frugal team.

    This is bullshit! Spurs were the most defensively frugal team. They won nada.

    The only fact here is the team that wins the post Points win the league. Only outscoring the opponents guarantee you that.

    Stop making it up

  23. Ishola70

    Emiratesstroller:
    “Last year quite a few!”

    Oh it’s ridiculous ES. They are fvcking brainwashed aren’t they.

    Of course there are occasions where high scoring teams without the soundest defence can win the league but percentage wise it is far higher that teams with the best defences win the league or their league.

    And this is not just the EPL. Leagues from all around the world at varying levels of ability show this as well.

  24. Sanmi

    WestLondonGoonAugust 16, 2017 11:38:18
    …says Sanmi, who thinks that Berbatov has better stats than Benzema.

    Your benzema has only scored more than 20 league goals in only one season in LA Liga. He’s that shit. Over rated. Lukaku is better

  25. Sanmi

    ‘Of course there are occasions where high scoring teams without the soundest defence can win the league but percentage wise it is far higher that teams with the best defences win the league or their league…’.

    Then Ishola it is no longer a fact once there are exceptions.

    The only fact is outscoring every opponents guarantees you the league. Because outscoring every opponents guarantees you the win. Not conceding in every match guarantees you a draw. Which if you do in all matches guarantees you relegation.
    One high scoring win and two losses is better than 3 0-0 draws

  26. Emiratesstroller

    Sanmi

    You are actually talking bullshit.

    Of course you need to score more goals to win games, but there are far too many teams including ourselves who neglect the fundamentals of good defending.If you don’t have a solid defence you will win nothing

    Spurs did have a solid defence but Chelsea were also solid as well. They conceded 33 goals.

    Wenger inherited a solid defence albeit not one quite as frugal as those of
    Chelsea and Man Utd, but then the players were already in their 30s.

    Apart from Adams none of those defenders were exceptionally gifted players.
    Steve Bould won just one international cap and Winterburn probably two.
    Dixon and Keown did win international caps, but were not England’s top ranked players.

    The defenders we have on our books today are possibly more gifted footballers but they are certainly not in the same class as defenders.

  27. WestLondonGoon

    That’s ok Sanmi, so now Lukaku is better? Changing the argument now?

    Wrong on both counts either way. Perhaps a little tiny bit of research is needed on your side?

  28. Ishola70

    Sanmi
    “Then Ishola it is no longer a fact once there are exceptions.”

    That sentence is only makes sense if someone had stated that teams with the best defence always win their domestic leagues. ES simply originally stated that having a compact defensive unit gives you a much better chance of winning the league rather than what Wenger has served up.

    But this wasn’t said. What was said was that teams with the best defences win far more league titles in comparison to those that don’t.

  29. Sanmi

    ES

    Which of my assertions are false?

    Goals win games.
    Defense don’t win games.

    It’s 3 times better to have a good attack than a good defense.

    End of story

  30. Sanmi

    Ishola

    He dint say better chance, he says guarantees a win. Scroll up. Or better still I’d help ya

    EmiratesstrollerAugust 16, 2017 11:37:04
    Ishola 70Last year quite a few!There were quite a number who disputed my argument the league is won by
    the most defensively frugal team.

  31. Marko

    On Wilshere “At the moment his future is at the club. I plan for him to be here for the whole season, after that we will see at the end of the season.”.

    Sounds like he couldn’t be arsed to actually bring in a midfielder who’ll contribute and help the team so he’ll keep Jack around.

    Looks like bar a couple sales that’s our window. Battle for 4th it is then. Another opportunity for the league title passed on. Shame that

  32. Paulinho

    The Chamberlain situation is similar to Ozil. I doubt anyone is even interested him. All this talk of Chelsea this Liverpool yet not a single bid. More agent talk most likely.

    What top club would even go near Chamberlain. Guaranteed to bring the collective IQ of the side, all for the odd rampaging run that leads to very little. Only way I can see it happening is free transfer next season, and sell him off to Stoke or West Ham a couple of years later

  33. Sanmi

    Meaning he’s saying teams that conceded the least goals win the league. Last year alone nullify is assumption.
    That’s why I stated a team that wins most point wins the league. And that is outscoring the opponents the most.

  34. Paulinho

    “Sounds like he couldn’t be arsed to actually bring in a midfielder who’ll contribute and help the team so he’ll keep Jack around.”

    Yeah, exactly the same bullshit. Every single end of the season you hear all this talk about a clear out, but by the end hoarder Wenger has got his arms wrapped tightly around every player, rocking back and forth with his eyes closed.

  35. Sanmi

    As long as sanchez doesn’t leave, this team is good enough to challenge for the league. Failure to do that has nothing to do with the personnel. The manager has to be blamed.

    Until then. I’m ok with what we’ve got

  36. Ishola70

    Sanmi:
    “He dint say better chance, he says guarantees a win. Scroll up. Or better still I’d help ya£

    Scroll up even further at his original post at 10.04 where he said teams with compact defences can win league titles rather than ones that don’t.

    If the conceding of goals is not such a big deal why did Wenger switch to a formation at the end of last season that has as it’s primary purpose the intention of conceding less goals? Does the back three mean more goals offensively?

  37. Emiratesstroller

    Ishola 70

    Absolutely correct.

    Yes Spurs were frugal, but there was a period early in season that Spurs struggled to score goals in absence of Kane who was out injured.

    As I wrote previously only one team in Wenger era has won title conceding
    more than 37 goals. That was Man City four years ago who conceded the abnormally high 43 goals.

    Most teams winning title concede around 28-32.

  38. steve

    @Sanmi

    What you’re not getting is that you have a bigger chance of outscoring the opponent if you also have a good defence. How can you not get that?

    “One high scoring win and two losses is better than 3 0-0 draws”

    Not necessarily. Depends on how many goals you concede in those two losses.

  39. WestLondonGoon

    Perhaps the most consistent defence is a better way of putting it?

    We have no level of consistency in our defence; sometimes we are average, sometimes we are park standard. We do not have an outstanding defence on any professional level as has been pointed out for years with the exact same failings.

    A constitent defence looks drilled and relatively solid despite any personnel changes.

  40. Sanmi

    As long as there’s an exception, it’s no longer a fact.

    Also, formation was switched because we weren’t winning not because we were conceding. We always concede. We weren’t winning because we weren’t outscoring the opponents. The formation freed up our attackers to attack rather than defend most times. Ozil doesn’t have to track runners.

  41. Emiratesstroller

    Sanmi

    You have obviously no heard the chant “1-0 to the Arsenal” when we played under George Graham. We won an awful lot of games by single goals.

  42. Sanmi

    If one win equals to 3 draws point wise. As a coach it makes sense to focus on attacking drills 3 times over a defensive drill. It’s a no Brainer.

  43. Sanmi

    EmiratesstrollerAugust 16, 2017 12:14:13
    SanmiYou have obviously no heard the chant “1-0 to the Arsenal” when we played under George Graham. We won an awful lot of games by single goals

    That never won you trophies. Yet the man you disdain has won the most trophies in arsenal history

  44. Gooner63

    Sanmi

    Wenger won 10 trophies in 20 years

    Graham won 6 trophies in 8 years including a European

    (not including the shitty community shield which is a joke of a trophy)

    by averages trophies per season – Graham kicks Wengers arse

  45. WestLondonGoon

    Just to wade through the whole Arsenal were boring under Graham argument:

    1990-1991 George Graham

    p 38 gf 74 ga 18 gd +56 p 83 Position 1st

    2016-2017 Arsene Wenger

    p 38 gf77 ga 44 gd +33 p 75 Position 5th

    2003-2004 Arsene Wenger

    p 38 gf 73 ga 26 gd +47 p 90 Position 1st

  46. Emiratesstroller

    Sanmi

    I suggest that you take a look at Graham’s record as manager before making the statement you have just made. He was manager at Arsenal for period far shorter than Wenger with very limited financial and playing resources.

    He won:
    2 League Titles
    1 UEFA Cup
    1 FA Cup
    2 League Cups

  47. WestLondonGoon

    ES

    Graham, and his backroom team, (cos he didn’t think he could actually do it all himself,) also had to altr the way we defended due to the change in the ‘back pass law’. He allowed us to make this transition better an any other manager in the league, which is something that he, Don Howe and Theo Foley are rarely give credit for.

  48. raptora

    The last 11 years put shadow on Wenger’s legacy. His bad period did coincide with us moving to a new stadium. Whether it is objective or subjective reasoning, it is a fact.

    No one should even try to deny that the first 8-10 years were absolutely glorious and far more exciting than the GG period. Trophy wise. The Invincibles. The quality of football. The brand that we became because of the football we were playing. It should be without a doubt the better of the two eras. And it is, at least in my eyes.

  49. Gooner63

    Depends what the definition of “best” is

    in terms of major trophies

    Wenger 3 leagues
    Graham 2 leagues and a european

    Wenger screwed up being the best by becoming a money maker, rather than a major trophy winner – dumped the fans in order to earn lots of money

  50. HighburyLegend

    “Who’s the best manager in the history of arsenal?”
    We already know the answer… sorry, I mean YOUR answer.

  51. Micheal

    Who’s the best manager in the history of arsenal?

    Depends how you measure it.
    The manger with the best match success record is Pat Rice from September 13 to September 30, 1996. – 75% win rate. No one comes near that.

  52. WestLondonGoon

    There were less inadequacies in Graham’s ability than there are Wenger’s. Graham’s ability to set up a team to get the required result in any one game, far outshines Wenger.

    Wenger believes that players should be self-motivated which is a very egalitarian outlook, whereas Graham would back his players to the hilt but also knew when they needed a boot up the arse. Perhaps it has something to do with having played at the highest level himself?

    If Arsenal weren’t performing the chant of ‘Georgie, Geogrgie, sort it out’ would ring round Highbury as the teams went off at half time…..we believed in him to do just that, more often than not, he did as well. Nowday we know that nothing will change until the 65-70 minute at the earliest, and will always be pretty uch the same people on, same people off.

    As a fan, the level of trust I have in Wenger, both as a manager and (sad to say) as a man, is far,far less than I had in Graham.

  53. qna

    “wenger is ok with the club losing £50-60m on Sanchez but won’t accept £12m for Perez, or £10m for Gibbs.
    He lurches from hypocritical act, to contradictory statement so often now, even the mainstream are starting to see him for the fraud he is.”

    Great point

  54. Marko

    wenger is ok with the club losing £50-60m on Sanchez but won’t accept £12m for Perez, or £10m for Gibbs.
    He lurches from hypocritical act, to contradictory statement so often now, even the mainstream are starting to see him for the fraud he is.

    Great point.

  55. Marko

    So it’s all well and good putting your foot down and keeping the likes of Sanchez, Chamberlain and Ozil but what about next summer when we lose these players on frees how stupid will we look then? And what if we still missed out on top 4? Taking risks that’ll end up costing us another season and him getting dogs abuse all season. It’s like he never learns

  56. Champagne charlie

    Sorry but why should Arsenal accept €12 million for a guy they paid double for last season?

    Lucas showed his quality here, so he didn’t get the games he wanted, and what? That doesn’t half his price for someone wanting to buy him. Especially in a window where anything sub ten mil gets you a cardboard cutout. Depor need to stop bitching through his agent and stump up the money we paid last term.

  57. Marko

    Sorry but why should Arsenal accept €12 million for a guy they paid double for last season?

    Double? Wasn’t it like 12 million with 5 million add on’s and Depor are offering 10 million. So a 2 million loss for fucking about a player seems fair

  58. Champagne charlie

    Arjen Robben in a letter to his 16 year old self:

    “A lot of the guys who have been at the club for a while will look out for you, but there will be no one more important than John Terry. What can a Dutch winger learn from an English center back? Everything.”

    So to reiterate, John Terry, whilst being a colossal cunt stain, is going to be hugely missed off the pitch at Chelsea this season. And no, Rudiger isn’t going to replace him.

  59. Leftsidesanch

    Really can’t understand why we weren’t in for Matuidi (not sure how his name is spelt).

    It’s almost as if Wenger wants to bury this club. Over the years I’ve not agreed on a lot of his practices but you could at least understand them but on top of leaving us under-prepared for each season, the player contracts is a new low even for him.

  60. Champagne charlie

    Marko

    Arsenal bought Lucas for €20 million. Simple release clause transfer. Depor want him for €12.

    Shock horror, Arsenal don’t see that as a good deal.

  61. Guns of Hackney

    Yep, he’s at it again.

    Sanchez, Ox, and Ozil is approximately £130m down the drain in transfers, not to mention the cool £15m+ well pay them for this season.

    Let’s say for arguments sake, we win the league (I know hilarious)…it still wouldn’t justify the loss financially of these three players, now. Maybe we win the league and these three stay I hear you cry…errr, no. They want out and regardless of what happens or the words that imbecile keeps spouting, Arsenal are going to lose AGAIN.

    Wenger is a maniac. A mentally impaired, maniac.

  62. Don

    So to reiterate, John Terry, whilst being a colossal cunt stain, is going to be hugely missed off the pitch at Chelsea this season. And no, Rudiger isn’t going to replace him

    This!!!!

  63. Marko

    Not sure you can compare the impact Terry’s had the last couple years barely playing with the impact he had when he was one of the best defenders around playing week in week out like when Robben was there. I’m not even talking about playing necessarily either. Back when Robben was at Chelsea there was clear evidence of Terry’s contribution. The last couple years less so

  64. Gooner63

    it does feel like Wenger wants to destroy the club – so that a new manager cant come in and do well straight away and show wenger for the fraud he is

    plus with him being so scared of having to sell more players n watch them win trophies elsewhere etc

    cant believe the board cant see whats happening

  65. Marko

    Arsenal bought Lucas for €20 million. Simple release clause transfer. Depor want him for €12. Shock horror, Arsenal don’t see that as a good deal.

    Yeah I don’t think so though. Apparently 12 million for him with add ons coming to 17.5 million and they’re offering 10 million for him. Besides highly unlikely that the whole transfer fee was paid up front as with a lot of deals. It’s like with Lacazette his transfer is apparently like 47/48 million with add ons coming to 52.5 million. Or United with Martial he cost about 35 million but certain add ons mean he could eventually cost what’s it 70 million. Not gonna win the balon d’or there so it likely won’t

  66. Guns of Hackney

    Gooner63

    The board can see what’s going on and they are paying through the nose for the privilege.

    As long as the moronic fans keep putting cash into the club, Wenger wins. The board wins.

    Anyone who supports Wenger, isn’t an Arsenal fan. It’s gone way too far.

  67. Leftsidesanch

    if a signing makes sense and the general consensus is that people are in agreement of this then you can expect Arsenal (cross that out) Wenger not to pursue it. He has to be the most intelligent at all times and ironically management wise he’s prob the biggest most predictable imbecile going.

  68. raptora

    I mean sometimes I can understand the shenanigans that Wenger is up to. But I cannot for the life of me get why we didn’t sell Bellerin to Barca. Maybe the offer was not real? It’s the only explanation. Else the quoted number was £50m. He has a better player in the position already in AOC. So he gives AOC a new contract with the promise he will be a starter and that’s £50m for a player you don’t really need. Or if he wanted to he could reinvest part of the money in Aurier (£25m) or someone similar and still upgrade on the position while being £20m – £30m on plus. Third option – he sells both Bellerin and AOC and still buys Aurier or someone similar with net plus of more than like £60m+ It’s a very, very weird decision in my books.

  69. Guns of Hackney

    Leftside

    Wenger isn’t predictable. Who saw Kim Kalstrom coming?

    That sir, is anything but predictable.

  70. Gooner63

    Waiting for the fun of deadline day

    “We had to sell Alexis, Ozil and Ox to our rivals as for some reason, we could not convince them to stay, and we had no time to get in any qualidee replacements”

    ” but we have back Wilshire, which is like a new signing”

  71. TR7

    How in the world could Arsene pass on Matuidi? You can’t get a better player for £18M in the current market and he is the type of player we needed in our midfield.

  72. Guns of Hackney

    “Arsenal make shock move to sign former player, Abou Diaby on pay as you play basis”

    “Free agent, Diaby who suffered an injury ravaged nine seasons at Arsenal looks set to return to the fold and help out “father figure” Arsene Wenger”.

    OMG

  73. andy1886

    Charlie, I believe that the basic fee for Perez was about £12.5m rising to £17m with add-ons that almost certainly will not have been triggered (no of games, goals, titles etc).

    There are simple reasons why he is now worth less than last year. Firstly he’s older and at 29 will almost certainly have no future sell on value. Secondly when we bought him he was a player that scored 17 league goals in 36 matches in one of the top leagues in Europe. Now we are selling a player that only made 11 league appearances and scored just 1 league goal – a far less attractive proposition. In addition we want to sell and the player wants to leave which doesn’t help us get top dollar.

    So given that a small loss is hardly a big deal to a club that will allow over a hundred million pounds worth of players to walk away for free next summer.

  74. Jacko

    Gooner63

    Sounds about right mate. As if our frugal Manager and owner are prepared to throw huge piles of cash away.

    This window will end the same way they always do… in disappointment.

  75. Dissenter

    We keep making the same mistakes, over and over again..and then expect success.
    Wilshere and Cazorla are just like a redux of Arteta and Rosicky.

    Same old Wenger; dithering, withering and slithery.

  76. raptora

    TR7,
    Literally my thoughts. Might not be the player he was 2 or 3 years ago but from what I’ve seen from him in the UCL and in Euro 2016 he was still a world class player. Huge engine, a workhorse, knows how to pass, how to win space with the ball in his feet, long legs, tall player, can tackle and score. Literally one of the best fits for a dominant central midfield along side Xhaka. Is on the market and for a similar price that Leicester paid for Wilfred Ndidi…

    Maybe the player had set his mind on Juve. Surely a better destination. We could have given him a top salary though… Regrets, regrets. Why are you so many?!

  77. Dissenter

    We can’t lose 2-3 million on Perez?
    I wonder how much we lost from Brexit and all the other financial blunders that has been wrought on the club. How about the 100 million plus we are about to lose on all these players on the last year of their contracts.

    Wait for it.We will dither until the end of the window and then send Perez on loan to Newcastle at the 11th hour. He will be another Dubuchy situation by next summer.

    Wenger stated that he is “prioritizing” keeping Sanchez’ talent over money.
    How about do the decent thing and prioritize decency to let Perez leave even at a small loss. PRIORITIZE DECENCY. It’s not his fault that it didn’t work out. He acquitted himself well every time his number was called up.

  78. Cesc Appeal

    £18 Million for Matuidi.

    We should have been in there on that one, much better partner for Xhaka than anyone we currently have.

    I cannot believe we are rolling into the season with the exact same midfield options, actually I can, fully believe it.

    Worse still hearing that Wilshere is still considered an option. F**k me.

  79. Champagne charlie

    “Not sure you can compare the impact Terry’s had the last couple years barely playing with the impact he had when he was one of the best defenders around playing week in week out like when Robben was there. I’m not even talking about playing necessarily either. Back when Robben was at Chelsea there was clear evidence of Terry’s contribution. The last couple years less so”

    This is why people come back and say ‘you haven’t played he game’.

    Because if you had, you’d understand.

  80. Guns of Hackney

    Hold on everyone. Matuidi wasn’t the answer.

    At £18m he would have possibly been a bargain but at 30 and a new, faster league…this one probably wouldn’t have gone well. A stop gap, yes…but at £100,000 pw, that’s a massive stop gap.

    I’ll blame Arsene if it rains, but I can’t blame him for Matuidi. Anyway, we have no idea what Juve and PSG had agreed.

  81. Don

    Marko
    Mugs influence is his influence
    The belief he Instills in players. The winning mentality. Every single day in training, he’s there, putting in a shift. Showing them how it’s done. Every single day. Just because he wasn’t playing as much he was there every single day and that mentality of his would be rubbing off. How to carry yourself. Where to position yourself. Stay on your feet. It’s like having an extra coach but one that you can truly admire and look up to. One that doesn’t just talk the talk. And you know because you’ve seen him do it. Not just through his career but every single fucking day in training.
    Don’t tell me you cannot grasp that.
    What robben was saying was not just what you learn from him during a match but that winners mentality, he has that all day every day. He lives it. That’s what he offers to anyone playing at the club, apart from the gigalo service on the side

  82. raptora

    Also Lucas Perez ain’t getting younger. He will be 29 in less than a month. Age is important and losing couple of millions or even 5m, makes sense since he got older and very, very close to the 30s. The bloke was decent and gave his all every single time. If in the end we loan him or play him for 10 games the whole season it will be bad for us as well because if we are going to sell next year he will be 30 yo and even cheaper. There might be couple of offers for him and the team waiting for a bit better one. Still we need to let the guy walk. He even agreed on lower salary than he was already getting in Depor just to follow his dream. Not cool.

  83. Champagne charlie

    “Charlie, I believe that the basic fee for Perez was about £12.5m rising to £17m with add-ons that almost certainly will not have been triggered (no of games, goals, titles etc).”

    Source that. Everywhere that stated the transfer acknowledged we met his buyout clause of 17.1 million pounds (€20 mil).

    Also, a year down the line a players value isn’t diminished by that capacity. Not sure what economics you’re familiar with but none of that is sensible, Depor are low balling and relying on Lucas’ desire to return to secure them a cheap deal. Same as Costa at Chelsea.

  84. N5

    “I have never liked matuidi. End of”

    I’m the complete opposite end of the spectrum with Matuidi. He’s been one of my favourites for a long time. He’s a great player, leader and influencer of the game.

    Juve are no mugs in the transfer market and they’ve got a good purchase here imo.

  85. Sanmi

    Who’s in charge of juve transfers nowadays? Seems to like clubs rejects.

    ScZ
    Wilshire
    Matuidi
    Dani alves
    Higuain

  86. Leftsidesanch

    Sanmi, following your pattern of though you can say our two most valuable players are also club “rejects”. Difference is, with two of those rejects you listed they still made the CL final and won their league..

  87. Sanmi

    What juve has always had is ruthless efficiency and extreme game management. Regardless of the 11 on the pitch it’s the same game play.
    It has little to do with player quality.
    Madzukic in the midfield says it all

  88. N5

    “Regardless of the 11 on the pitch it’s the same game play, It has little to do with player quality.”

    So they’d still be as efficient and successful if they had a team full of Palace players (for example)

  89. sj228

    Don’t know why we don’t just give the Ox the contract he wants, we will always be able to recoup the money on an over priced contract by flogging him at the end of the season.

  90. Don

    http://news.arseblog.com/2017/08/video-thierry-henry-analyses-alexandre-lacazettes-premier-league-debut/amp/

    Some fascinating insight there from TITI

    He’s right about xakha there
    The hall should go. He sees Lacazette, he’s it to pop that ball into the inside channel. Hopefully xakha does start to ping those. Any team that plays a high line needs to be punished by the pace we have there. Can’t let opportunities like that go in tight games just to play tika taka. We need to get that directness back against certain teams that aren’t scared to play a high line against us
    How often do you see Arsenal pop a ball over the top any more? Even the invincibles used to launch it to henry or wiltord

  91. Dissenter

    “What juve has always had is ruthless efficiency and extreme game management. Regardless of the 11 on the pitch it’s the same game play.
    It has little to do with player quality.
    Madzukic in the midfield says it all”

    Is it too wishful thinking to expect same for Arsenal
    When people like me write to criticize the manager, you rise up and cal us all sort of names.
    We just want Arsenal to operate in a similar manner.
    That’s why we are critical of Wenger because he wields so much power and repeats the same errors.

  92. HighburyLegend

    “I cannot believe we are rolling into the season with the exact same midfield options, actually I can, fully believe it.”

    @CA : take a look at who our manager is, seriously, I don’t understand how you can be shocked by this summer.

  93. TR7

    I don’t buy the age argument regarding Matuidi. Juve buy these ‘old’ and ‘past their sell by date’ players from other teams every season and then beat the same teams on their way to CL semifinals/finals.

  94. Champagne charlie

    “Definitely says we paid £12,6m here:”

    Transfermarket is one website, they a viable source suddenly? They also state his market value is £13.5 million.

    I can paste half a dozen other sources stating we activated his £17 million release clause including Sky, BBC, ESPN, the Guardian etc.

  95. karim

    Sanmi
    Higuain and Alves have been very important for Juve, not sure they give a damn if they were barça and Madrid rejects lol

    Matuidi may be technically limited, but Makelele, limited ???

    As for the Benzema/Lukaki thing, wtf ?

  96. graham62

    Guns of Hackney

    Quote of the day/week/month/year/decade

    “Anyone who supports Wenger, isn’t an Arsenal fan”

    Agree with you 100%

  97. Josip Skoblar

    Hi Karim
    Matuidi is not technically limited. He’s not Zidane, but he’s got excellent passing and positioning skills.

  98. Pierre

    Graham62
    “Guns of Hackney… Quote of the day/week/month/year/decade“Anyone who supports Wenger, isn’t an Arsenal fan” Agree with you 100%”

    How about quoting this.

    “GROW UP”

  99. WestLondonGoon

    CC

    You really are hard work sometimes. You asked for a source, I gave it to you.

    We bid the £17.1m to trigger the transfer, then put in caveats depending on future performance; none of these have been achieved so currently Perez has only cost us £12,6m in transfer fees.

    The same thing has happened with Lacazette this summer; we have paid a fee of £47.7m, if he then goes on to hit all his agreed performance targets, we will end up paying and extra £5m.

    The price to buy Perez was £12,60m, but over time his cost could have eventually been £17.1m; the price to buy Lacazette was £47.7m, but he could end up costing us £52.7m if he is successful.

  100. karim

    Hi Josip !

    Yeah, he’s no Zidane for sure, still a very good player I agree..

    Lille have a new rich owner, a new stadium , they hired Luis Campos who did wonders for Monaco as a director of football, and Bielsa as a coach, so yeah, curious to see how it pans out.
    Their pre-season and first game were excellent but they lost 3/0 last week-end,
    although they were very unlucky with 3 early injuries.
    Thiago Maia looks excellent.

  101. champagne charlie

    “You really are hard work sometimes. You asked for a source, I gave it to you.”

    With respect mate, fuck off. I asked for sources as to the breakdown of the transfer because MULTIPLE reputable sources that I quoted (BBC, SKY, ESPN, GUARDIAN etc) all stated the fee was 17 million pounds and activated his release clause (which ordinarily isn’t a structured payment).

    So no, one website stating something doesn’t constitute proof of that if I can give you 6 that argue something else. Whats difficult to appreciate about that? Nothing hard work about it, just you trying to bullshit your way through a simple question instead of being reasonable.

  102. WestLondonGoon

    With respect to you CC, and before I do fuck off, why not learn the difference between a BUY OUT clause and a RELEASE clause; becasue there is a difference.

    There is even a difference as to how they are applied by the Spanish federation to the rest of Europe.

    Google it and go learn something new today, It’s the way these things work, in Spain especially.

    Alternatively you could have a look at the club accounts (I’m sure you know how to do that), where you will see a tab for last year’s player aquisitions……Ooooh, can you guess what it says there? Do you feel my confidence here? Or will you even bother to look?