Lacazette on the left?

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ITK?

I don’t need or seek those powers.

Why?

Because I am the art of persuasion.

I’ve been forcing the concept of Theo to Everton for weeks, and it seems Ronald Koeman is taking the insincere bait.

At £30m. 

If only you could caps numbers, because that sort of figure needs to be LOUD and followed by lolololollllookool.

Imagine that?

I mean, the way they’re bulking up this summer they are certainly top 4 contenders. Koeman is a solid manager (BORING), but he’s made some good additions this year. Giroud and Theo might be interesting.

INTERESTING FOR US. Lolololljollol.

In other news, the little boy in Sanchez always wanted to win the Champions League.

Or earn £400k a week.

Either will do.

It’s getting to the point now where we need a decision. If he goes, Lacazette on the left (a move Alfred predicted), with Giroud through the middle simply won’t cut it as anything other than miserable.

Our summer is being held hostage at the moment, and it’s difficult to feel like we’re making progress with a new left back and a striker that’s split the fan base.

A big week for Arsenal. Teams around us are shaping up. We need to push the boat out and make sure this threat of a good summer is delivered upon.

Right, see you in the comments!

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  1. Bamford10

    Absolutely no to Lacazette on the left. He is not good enough there. He must be played through the center; otherwise his signing will be a complete waste. IMO.

  2. N5

    It feels every single one of our transfer windows is overshadowed by a player holding the team to ransom.

    If he wants out, let him go and take the money. Then put that money back into the squad, not sit on it.

    Why drag it on for months.

  3. Bamford10

    Wenger: “I think Jack Wilshere will be at Arsenal next year. He has to work hard and fight for a place in the team.”

    Jesus Christ. The player is completely crocked.

  4. Alexanderhenry

    TR7Excellent point on previous thread.

    . Managers lose players they’d rather keep all the time.

    Fergie losing Ronaldo is a case in point.

    Kroenke forced Nasri’s sale. It’s a fact.

    This wouldn’t be the first time an owner has done this but the the level of obsessive anti wengerism on here means that we’ve now entered the land of the loons.

    Really, the level of discourse is getting nuttier and nuttier on here.

  5. Champagne charlie

    Bamford

    Knew you’d pipe up about Lacazette on the left. Wish you’d rein it in a touch, you came to the conclusion Lacazette was a good signing via YouTube videos. It’s embarrassing for you to make these type of declarations when in reality you’ve barely seen the player.

  6. Marko

    Don’t you know? The owner is bi-polar. One summer he allows the manager 100m to spend, the next 10m, the next 100m.

    That must be it. Otherwise Alex isn’t giving much away. Ask him about Kroenke he goes nuts ask him about Wenger he spends what’s available to him. No real accountability. As I said before fuck Kroenke but to blame him and not Wenger for certain things is incredible. It’s Kroenke’s fault we never address squad issues or offer new contracts to injured and undeserving players or for the poor football we play or the regular drubbings we get from decent teams every season. My ass it is. Blame Kroenke for Park for Stepanovs for Santos for Sanogo for Almunia for the youth set up for the scouting network for the bang average training methods and coaches that are pilling up at the club. This stan is a menace alright. Such a shame he’s mates with Primoric and Bould and Peyton and Rowley.

  7. N5

    ” the level of obsessive anti wengerism on here means that we’ve now entered the land of the loons.”

    Wow, just wow Alex. You’re obsessed with SK and you call others loons!!

    Jesus, it’s OK to disagree with them, but don’t insult them, when you’re doing the exact same thing but just directed at a different person.

  8. Bamford10

    TR7

    Sorry, but none of that touches my argument. There is no manager on the planet who would accept a situation in which the owner forced him to sell a player that he absolutely did not want to sell.

    And he certainly wouldn’t accept it without even a murmur of public protestatio or complaint.

    Yet that is what you are asking us to believe occurred with Nasri.

    Moreover, not only are you asking us to believe this implausible scenario, but this implausible scenario also runs counter to everything Wenger has ever said about how transfer dealings work at Arsenal and counter to all of the other existing evidence re how things work at Arsenal.

    So, sorry, but no.

  9. Marko

    From the other thread so Alex you don’t believe there’s another manager out there who can do better than Wenger?

    Also Charlie how are my comments on Sanchez embarrassing? He wants to leave the club to compete for trophies we cannot match his ambitions. It’s a scathing indictment of the club and one that can’t be denied by certain fans anymore. Things are not alright at Arsenal haven’t been for a while. Even now we’re sitting on piles of cash and still we’re losing our best players? That’s not right is it

  10. Rambo Ramsey

    Bamford

    Its no surprise your struggle to understand others’ pov. In your Wenger obsessed mind, there’s only one way and its always the right way.

    Everyone makes their case behind closed doors and then a decision is made. Once this decision is made, everyone in the company abide by it whether it is to show an united front or just to keep their job safe.

    Wenger not coming out to throw a tantrum in a press conference does not equate to Wenger made the decision to sell Nasri. Similar to how you pointed that Gazidis coming out and gushing about Wenger in front of cameras should not be taken as the actuality of his feelings re the manager.

    Anyhow: You love putting up questions based on certain scenarios so here’s mine to you: Why would any manager willfully want to lose his best employee?

  11. Atid

    Lacazette is a decent player, that’s why the last 3 managers of France have preferred Giroud over him.

    As for Alexis if he wanted to win the Champions League he should have stayed on the bench at Barcelona.

    Certainly no English club is winning it next year.

  12. Bamford10

    Champagne

    Hilarious. One, funny that Pedro’s piece today is about the very topic I highlighted the other day — a topic which you dismissed as not even worthy of consideration.

    Two, I had in fact watched Lacazette play, and I was always actually a little underwhelmed by him, especially when I saw him played wide once. My point about the Youtube highlights — a point you’ve now twice misrepresented — was that in watching the videos, I started to become more comfortable with our signing him, as I started to believe that he might be a more dangerous CF than I had previously thought.

    But just to be clear: are you now of the view that we should be open-minded to Lacazette playing somewhere other than CF? If so, please say so. Further, if so, who then do you think should play CF? Giroud? Do tell.

  13. TR7

    Alex

    Yes, managers lose players they would love to keep and yet continue in their job.

    If De Gea transfer had gone through which would have been the case in case there was no document related mess up by Madrid, would LVG have resigned ? NO.

    Has Jardim put in his papers because he has lost Bakayoko and Silva ? No. One can cite thousands of such examples. Almost every manager makes a few compromises behind closed doors to keep his job.

  14. Champagne charlie

    “He wants to leave the club to compete for trophies we cannot match his ambitions.”

    No, live read the hyperbole bollocks of the gossip rag that remove context entirely. As per…

    Alexis was asked about his ambitions in football: said he wanted to compete and win the CL, it’s been a dream since he was young.

    Alexis was asked about his future with Arsenal: said he knows what he wants and it’s up to Arsenal.

    Remove the context and you get the tabloid spin of “Alexis wants champions league, bye bye Arsenal”. Amazing how you denounce the rags all summer long with players being linked but you’re right onside when they talk up an exit. Classic .

  15. Marko

    Fact is that we are still as bad or worse now than when we moved stadium. Only back then we were losing our best players due to austerity but now we’re losing our best players but spending money. Doesn’t add up

  16. Bamford10

    Rambo

    Well even that is not an adequate response to my argument. Wenger wanted to keep Nasri — his best player, according to you — and yet was forced to sell him by an owner who knows fuck-all about football and Wenger just went along with this? Without even a single word of dissent?

    Sorry, that’s not believable. No manager on the planet would put up with such a situation. None.

    As for your q re why he did sell, my reply to Alexander works just as well here:

    Wenger sold Nasri completely of his own accord, and did so because Nasri—
    – asked for wages that would challenge Wenger’s “socialist” wage scale
    – told Wenger he wanted to win titles, whether at Arsenal or somewhere else
    – asked to be made the CAM
    – offended Wenger

    And also because, yes, Wenger wanted to show that he could win without adopting the world’s ways, i.e., spending on names. As always.

  17. Champagne charlie

    Bamford

    It’s preseason games, Elneny has been playing Cb you scrotum. Just where can Giroud operate other than CF? He’s on the tour, he needs the minutes, he plays central…it’s not fucking hard.

    Lacazette started as a winger for Lyon, this idea he can’t occupy a wide forward role is nonsense.

    Everyone and their dog knows Wenger bought Lacazette to be a CF primarily. But there’s not one forward player bar Giroud that has ever played just one position for Arsenal.

  18. Marc

    When it’s blatantly clear that Sanchez is off why the hell is club not being proactive with dealing with this. 99% of fans would be more than happy with Sanchez staying and signing a new contract but that’s not going to happen. Letting a £50 million asset walk on a free at the end of the season is not a sensible plan either although preferable to selling to City so why not hit a middle ground. Approach Munich, Juve and any other major club that’s not in the PL and offer him at a discount. If we offered him at £30 million they could then use the balance of the fee as part of a signing on agreement to help with his salary demands.

    Or am I just looking at things too simply?

  19. N5

    Marc, I think if the player has his heart on City then he just wouldn’t agree terms with any of the clubs.

  20. Champagne charlie

    “Wenger just went along with this? Without even a single word of dissent?”

    Why do you always act as though fans are privy to 100% of what goes on at a football club?

    You’ve no idea what was said or done behind closed doors. You as a fan get head of the beer mate, you’ve not a scooby about the internals except Chinese whispers. To think you can sit so resolute thinking you’re aware of all things going on is hilarious.

  21. Bamford10

    Champagne

    What then did Alexis mean? Please tell us.

    To me his meaning is clear: one, he wants to be playing CL football. Two, he won’t be able to do that this season at Arsenal, so he’d prefer Arsenal sell him to a team that is in the CL. Three, he has told Arsenal this.

  22. TR7

    ” If we offered him at £30 million they could then use the balance of the fee as part of a signing on agreement to help with his salary demands”

    What do we gain out of it ? 30M which doesn’t get you a proper squad player these days let alone a player good enough to start for us.

  23. Marko

    Charlie he’s 28 and wants to win the champions league do you think that means he wants to stay here that he can win it here? And that whole the club knows what I want is either him saying match my ambitions or move me to a club who can. He’s saying everything in a classy way not kicking up a fuss or nothing. But I love how you’re talking about tabloid spin but it wasn’t so long ago that you yourself when it seemed like we were doing fuck all you kept mentioning the fictitious 80 million bid for Mbappe as evidence that we were actually having a great summer.

  24. Marc

    TR7

    We get part of a fee whilst not selling to another PL team – it’s not that complicated.

    Or do you think Sanchez leaving on a free to City is a good thing?

  25. Alexanderhenry

    All managers lose players they’d rather keep.

    Man utd sold Ronaldo to Real Madrid because the transfer fee was an offer they couldn’t refuse.

    Would fergie have preferred to keep him? Yes, of course.

    Did Fergie resign or even make an issue of it? No.

  26. Marc

    N5

    This is where we need to man up. Tell him he can leave to an overseas team or he won’t kick a ball all season.

    Munich are contenders for the CL and were interested. We help with the wages and save some face in the process.

  27. Bamford10

    Champagne

    Wait, one, if I’m a “scrotum” for thinking that Wenger might be considering playing Lacazette somewhere other than CF, does that make Pedro a “scrotum” for thinking the very same thing? Are you calling Pedro a ball-sack for penning this article?

    Two, I never said Lacazette can’t play wide; I said he’s not good enough wide.

    Three, again, are you suggesting that we should be open-minded to Lacazette playing wide and not CF? Further, are you suggesting that we should be open-minded to Giroud as the starting CF?

    Do tell.

  28. Rambo Ramsey

    Bamford, with comments like above, you show yourself up as the ultimate buffoon on here. Enter a debate, take a stance on a matter, call for evidence but when presented brush it off because it goes against your take, then proceed to claim your version is the absolute truth.

  29. Marko

    It’s preseason games, Elneny has been playing Cb you scrotum

    First uncivilized comment of the day goes to Charlie. It’s just debate Charles no need to get so heated making excuses for everything “Arsenal”. Relax

  30. Bamford10

    Alexander

    That’s a different scenario. No one was making us an offer for Nasri we “couldn’t refuse”. They would have had to come in for 50m for the situation to be comparable. Further, Nasri would have to be the kind of player that Arsenal couldn’t possibly hold on to forever (as was the case with Ronaldo). So no, sorry; that’s a false analogy.

  31. Marc

    This place is getting unbearable. The almost complete lack of any balance just makes it boring. Commenters slagging off so so pre season performances against weak opposition who if we had stuffed them would just slag off the team for beating them anyway.

    It’s pre season for fucks sake.

    I’m off to watch the race and then the Wimbledon final.

  32. Champagne charlie

    Marko

    You chat utter shit, you’re sounding like joe. I stated sign in Kolasinac and being in talks with Lacazette as the proof we meant business this summer, nice….twist. Arsenal too would buy Mbappe tomorrow if we were quoted a price, we’re also still negotiating Lemar (but for you we’re dithering, lol)

    Funny how you’ve been dead adamant Alexis has asked to leave, but just then you’ve stated his words can be seen as him saying to Arsenal “match my ambition”. So has he asked to leave or has he told Arsenal terms of a stay or he wants out? The two are black and white.

    If Alexis didn’t want to be at Arsenal he’d come out and say. Period. He sees staying as a distinct possibility so he’s proposed conditions of that stay hence “it’s up to Arsenal”.

  33. TR7

    Marc

    Why not keep him at Arsenal for one more year and add couple of more players and see where does it take us ? 1 year is a long time in football. Alexis may not be at the peak of his forces 1 year later , Pep might get sacked 12 months later, Alexis’ mind could change……….I mean who knows really. He is in great form at the moment and our priority should be the to extract the most out of him as long as possible.

  34. N5

    @TR7, or he could do a Cesc and sulk on the pitch and make life really hard. The only thing Wenger could do is threaten him with the reserves and hope his attitude is better than Adebayors.

  35. Samir

    How the fuck didn’t we dive in and get Douglas Costa on loan for €6M? He would of been the perfect replacement for Sanchez. Wenger is still clueless.

    We should have also brought in Salah to replace Walcott before Liverpool got him.

  36. Alexanderhenry

    Bamford

    I disagree. For arsenal at that time it was good enough.

    The club sold him to the highest bidder regardless of who that was, just as they did with rvp and just as they will do with sanchez.

  37. TR7

    N5

    Yes what you say is a distinct possibility as well but less likely. Sanchez loves football, so if he stays he will do his best. He just doesn’t any other way. And surely he’s not gonna do an Adebayor. It takes a special c**t to emulate him 😛

  38. Marko

    YYou chat utter shit, you’re sounding like joe. I stated sign in Kolasinac and being in talks with Lacazette as the proof we meant business this summer, nice….twist. Arsenal too would buy Mbappe tomorrow if we were quoted a price, we’re also still negotiating Lemar (but for you we’re dithering, lol)

    One I’m not Joe. Two you have mentioned a bid for Mbappe like it was a real thing and three we absolutely dither have for years it’s undeniable. Took two years for us to pull the trigger and sign Lacazette.

    Also I’m probably inferring Alexis wants Arsenal to match his ambitions. In reality he presumably wants to leave cause he knows he ain’t winning the champions league here. A scathing indictment of the club

  39. TallestTiz

    Manager: Are you staying on £275k?

    Alexis: No sir

    Manager: Then get a club that will pay your transfer fee of £70 million. Have a good day gentleman.

    Cant Wenger grow a pair?

  40. Champagne charlie

    Bamford

    Brilliant, only yesterday did you call someone a fucking idiot for being supportive of Wenger but suddenly the word scrotum has you and Marko crying. What a pair of twats you are.

    Wenger literally stated in his press conference that Lacazette will “play Cf most of the time”. When does he ever state that about forwards? Webeck, Theo, Alexis have all had the ‘he can play across the front’ talk. Lacazette gets he unequivocal statement he’s a CF primarily.

    Marko
    “In reality he presumably wants to leave cause he knows he ain’t winning the champions league here. A scathing indictment of the club”

    No that’s your reality, actual reality saw him leave Barcelona despite these heroic claims of wanting to win the CL. Reality would suggest he’s more interested in his salary (or why would Bayern have been rejected on the basis of money?).

    You don’t know end of day. You want Alexis to leave though so it gives you some scope to botch and moan.

    Do wonder what angle you’ll come at were we to keep everyone of note and add Lemar. You’d simply change attack.

  41. gonsterous

    there was a time when everyone here was on the fence or an akb (apart from gambon)
    things have changed a lot since where it’s almost everyone against Wenger ( apart from Alexander)

  42. Rambo Ramsey

    Bamford, let me see if I’ve got this right-

    Wenger did not display signs of dissent publicly after Nasri was sold. According to you, this implies that Wenger pushed for the sale.
    Why would Wenger do that? According to you, its because Wenger got infuriated with Nasri’s demands and wanted to make a point.

    What about Nasri’s comments re the whole thing, where he claims Wenger wanted to keep him on but was overruled by the club hierarchy?
    According to you, this is nonsense and should be treated as such.

    Your justification is that Nasri might not know what transpired( even though it was his future that was the topic of discussion ). You even suggest Wenger might have manipulated/tricked Nasri by feeding false info just to maintain good relations with the player.
    ——-

    So, to sum it up: Wenger the egomaniac despised Nasri after the latter challenged his ideas and methods. Wenger the megalomaniac took a stand and decided to sell Nasri as to make a point. At the same time, Wenger the manipulator booked some alone time with his challenger Nasri, turned the player against the club, all this because he wanted to be liked and loved by the player.

    Jesus Christ, have you taken up the doctor appointment yet?

  43. Marko

    the word scrotum has you and Marko crying. What a pair of twats you are.

    Hey I don’t care about the language I just was pointing out that you were the first one to insult a person today that’s all. Carry on with your excuses.

    Reality would suggest he’s more interested in his salary (or why would Bayern have been rejected on the basis of money?)

    Now are you getting the Bayern rejection at the same place that said we bid for Mbappe or from your mate who said we were in for Griezmann?

    The cheek of you to say I don’t know at the end of the day. But you do? We end up keeping Sanchez and getting Lemar I’ll be delighted (still need a midfielder and defender though) but that’s not likely to happen now. He wants to win titles he won’t win them here so he’s likely off

  44. Alexanderhenry

    I wish Usmanov was in charge.

    https://www.theguardian.com/football/2012/jul/05/arsenal-robin-van-persie-alisher-usmanov

    To quote:

    ‘Usmanov’s take on the “self-financing model” which delivered such windfall profits to the people who had liked to describe themselves as “custodians,” verges on devastating.

    “The self-financing model … allowed the major shareholders of the time to load the club with a liability [£260m debt building the Emirates],” he argued. “The board then appeared to pursue a policy of increasing ticket prices and squeezing the fans … until all of these shareholders … cashed out at vast profits.”‘

    It’s an old article but sums up the whole rotten mess at arsenal very well.

    Paying Arsenal fans have been well and truly shafted.

  45. Bamford10

    Champagne

    Do you ever honestly respond to the point made? I don’t know that I’ve ever seen it?

    I couldn’t care less that you referred to me as a “scrotum”; your old man insults are laughable. My point was that you must also regard Pedro as a “scrotum,” because his piece today is about the very possibility I highlighted, i.e., Wenger’s thinking about playing Lacazette wide.

  46. Champagne charlie

    Marko

    Bayern were in for Alexis but couldn’t afford his wages, you can find that anywhere from a dozen sources, including those with ties to Bayern. Good try though. Arsenal would buy Mbappe tomorrow as I’ve said, so not sure what angle you’re trying to come from again given this is common knowledge at this point and the only inhibiting factor is Mbappe seemingly staying put as Wenger stated yesterday.

    Griezmann? (not like joe though…)…we did try for griezmann, that’s all I’ve ever stated. Not sure how us not buying him comes into that equation whatsoever. You must be overly dense about how ‘trying’ and ‘getting’ are two different words.

  47. Ishola70

    Conclusion:

    Don’t believe a word that comes out of Nasri’s mouth.

    Bit like Arsene in that respect.

  48. Bamford10

    Champagne

    What is Alexis saying with his comments, then, if he is not saying what others think he is saying? You haven’t explained that.

    I’ve said what I think he is saying. He wants CL football, and Arsenal can’t give him that, so he’d prefer to be sold.

    What do you think he’s saying?

  49. Bamford10

    Sorry, Alexander, but the two situations (Ronaldo-Madrid-United and Nasri-Arsenal-City) are nothing alike.

  50. Champagne charlie

    Bamford

    Our first comment was about Lacazette playing wide, I responded to that, now you’re trying to go some other avenue about Pedro….

    But I’m not responding to the point made?

    Christ you’re simple. You’d rather ignore what’s said to you about a football point and instead concoct some nonsense including Pedro.

    Here you go dickhead: anyone who thinks Lacazette is going to predominantly play wide for Arsenal is a scrotum.

    Back to te actual point though….

    He isn’t going to play wide often, Wenger even stated as such. But given your ramblings about nasri to Rambo I’m sure you’re going to assert something else entirely.

  51. Alexanderhenry

    Bamford

    ‘the two situations (Ronaldo-Madrid-United and Nasri-Arsenal-City) are nothing alike.’

    Explain why.

    Also, according to your theory Koeman and Pocchetino should resign now as they’ve just lost Lukaku and Walker

  52. Bamford10

    Alexander

    I already did.

    And Koeman publicly stated that he was unhappy, and United’s offer for Lukaku was massive and no reusable (like Madrid’s offer for Ronaldo, and unlike City’s offer for Nasri).

    Walker is replaceable and the offer for him was insanely massive.

    Where have all of the intelligent posters here gone?

  53. Alexanderhenry

    Bamford

    No need for the insults.

    Anyway, if you mean this as an explanation:

    ‘That’s a different scenario. No one was making us an offer for Nasri we “couldn’t refuse”. They would have had to come in for 50m for the situation to be comparable. Further, Nasri would have to be the kind of player that Arsenal couldn’t possibly hold on to forever (as was the case with Ronaldo)’

    I disagree.

    At that time it was a very generous offer and made arsenal a £15 million profit.
    Also, I disagree that Ronaldo was the kind player man utd couldn’t hold on to. They are financially and in terms of support, of equal stature with real madrid.

  54. Ishola70

    Nasri’s quote that started this whole thing off that he was sold really against his wishes is very dubious.

    It is very dubious because he is a serial bullshitter akin to Arsene Wenger.

    If the dickhead pushed for a move at the time then the club would have pushed him out.

    But we will never know for certain what actually occurred. Not from Nasri that is certain because he lies and contradicts himself.

  55. Champagne charlie

    Ishola

    Would’ve been a lot quicker for you to say, let’s only consider quotes from people that support our argument and reject anyone else under the pretence they’re liars or untrustworthy.

    As you were mate

  56. TR7

    “Nasri’s quote that started this whole thing off that he was sold really against his wishes is very dubious.”

    No, the point is he was sold against Wenger’s wishes. Nobody has claimed Nasri was very keen on staying himself. Wenger wanted to keep him but Kroenke was none of it. Nasri apparently had no problem in staying for another year if Wenger wanted him to.

  57. Ishola70

    Champagne charlie:
    “Would’ve been a lot quicker for you to say, let’s only consider quotes from people that support our argument and reject anyone else under the pretence they’re liars or untrustworthy. As you were mate”

    Not at all.

    Both sides of Nasri’s bullshitting have now been aired rather than just the one side we had earlier on. That’s only fair isn’t it.

    I remember Nasri being a bit of a prick at the time of his departure so it’s no surprise at all to see him being quoted that he basically wanted out. Bit like Sanchez.

    But as said guy is a compulsive liar so hard to know what really happened.

  58. Rambo Ramsey

    Well Ishola, looks like history is about to repeat itself. Sanchez sounds like he’s leaving the final decision to the club, Wenger is adamant that he wants the player to stay. We’ll see what the hierarchy choose to do soon enough.

  59. Ishola70

    TR7:
    ”No, the point is he was sold against Wenger’s wishes. Nobody has claimed Nasri was very keen on staying himself. Wenger wanted to keep him but Kroenke was none of it. Nasri apparently had no problem in staying for another year if Wenger wanted him to.”

    The real point is TR7 is Nasri is not worth quoting if you are looking for anything like the truth in the matter. You have to guess yourself which is the true turn of events.

  60. Alexanderhenry

    Ishola

    It’s an extraordinary thing for a footballer to say. 99 times out of 100, players never criticise the owner of a club they’ve just left. Occasionally they might fire a few shots at the manager, but even that is rare.
    Also, there was nothing to gain for him making that statement.

    There’s a wider issue here.

    Some people find it impossible to apportion blame for anything that goes wrong at arsenal on anyone but wenger.

    It’s worth remembering that he is the team manager. He doesn’t own the club and yet some fans thinks he controls everything: budgets, wage structure, individual contracts; all of it.

    Arsenal is a big football club. It has a majority shareholder, a CEO a BOD and a small army of contract negotiators, lawyers, accountants etc who work there.

    The person in charge of the whole operation is Kroenke; not wenger, not gazidis, not sir ‘chips’ and apart from carpet laying, not lord harris of Peckham.

    Any attempt to suggest that the club’s owner just might bear some responsibility for the club’s fortunes, is met with a lot of antagonism on here from some people., to the point where they embroil themselves in pointless arguments and end up adopting absurd positions.

    As amusing as some of these positions are, it displays a kind of pathological, fanatical anti wengerism that is actually quite embarrassing- for them and other arsenal fans.

  61. Rambo Ramsey

    ‘You have to guess yourself which is the true turn of events.’

    Sure, its not that hard to do. We all know how notorious Wenger is in stockpiling players, he never likes to force sell.

  62. Ishola70

    Rambo Ramsey:
    “Well looks like history is about to repeat itself. Sanchez sounds like he’s leaving the final decision to the club, Wenger is adamant that he wants the player to stay. We’ll see what the hierarchy choose to do soon enough.”

    lol Wenger is adamant he wants the player to stay is he.

    Poor old Arsene eh.

    Being over-ridden again by those nasty employers.

    Maybe you should look more closely at why he wants to leave, what has happened or not happened at the club since he joined rather than just focusing on the final decision in whether to endorse the player’s wishes.

  63. Alexanderhenry

    Ishola

    ..having said that, wenger only has himself to blame . He’s put himself in a position where he takes all the flak- wrongly.

    Kroenke’s sitting on his ranch smiling to himself and thinking: ‘Thank god for arsene wenger. He’s made my life so easy’.

  64. Ishola70

    Alexanderhenry:
    “It’s an extraordinary thing for a footballer to say. 99 times out of 100, players never criticise the owner of a club they’ve just left. Occasionally they might fire a few shots at the manager, but even that is rare.
    Also, there was nothing to gain for him making that statement.”

    What are you going on about? Nothing to gain? It is obvious that he could have made that statement that day as not to be seen as a complete cvnt by the Arsenal fans because believe when it was known he was off he was called that and lots more. There is actually more quotes from him basically telling Arsenal fans to do one and that it was his decision to leave if endorsed. The old line about wanting to win trophies but of course he got a lovely big pay rise as well. Last year in his contract as well.

    lol I bet Nasri was crying in his sleep and still does if it is true he was forced out of the club and into Man City. How dreadful for him. That nice bigger wage waiting for him plus more chance of winning one of the big titles. I smell bullshit AH.

    The guy is all over the place with his past quotes and the reasons he left Arsenal.

    Compulsive bullshitter.

  65. G

    ” He wants to leave the club to compete for trophies we cannot match his ambitions. It’s a scathing indictment ”

    Yeh right..why did he come in the 1st place
    And nothing to do with money either..lol

  66. Rambo Ramsey

    ‘Maybe you should look more closely at why he wants to leave, what has happened or not happened at the club since he joined rather than just focusing on the final decision in whether to endorse the player’s wishes.’

    You want to harp on about the past? We’re at the final decision stage now. Money or ambition-that’s the question. By giving a contract to Wenger, the club have already given a thumbs down to the ambition option, offloading Sanchez would be reinforcing this.

  67. Ishola70

    Rambo Ramsey:
    ’You want to harp on about the past? We’re at the final decision stage now. Money or ambition-that’s the question. By giving a contract to Wenger, the club have already given a thumbs down to the ambition option, offloading Sanchez would be reinforcing this.”

    The situation is already fvcked up RR before this final stage.

    How did this situation arise?

    Sanchez is leaving Arsenal if not this summer then on a free soon after.

    You can go into la-la land with Wenger if you wish with dreams that he will sign a new contract if he stays on another season.

  68. Alexanderhenry

    Ishola

    Nasri made that statement over a year after leaving arsenal and after he won the PL with city- a lifetime in the memory of most football fans.

    There was no reason to make that statement unless he legitimately wanted to set the record straight.

  69. Ishola70

    btw these decisions on selling players in the last year of their contracts if they don’t look to have any inclination to sign on again are usually taken out of the manager’s hands.

    Not just at Arsenal. So what is the big fuss over that? Or the big deal?

  70. Marko

    Alex still any idea on that odd summer where we spent only 10 million and no outfield player? Bit odd that. Be curious tohear your opinion on that. Arsene refusing to spend or only having 10 million to spend?

  71. Ishola70

    Alexanderhenry:
    “Nasri made that statement over a year after leaving arsenal and after he won the PL with city- a lifetime in the memory of most football fans.There was no reason to make that statement unless he legitimately wanted to set the record straight.”

    So why did he make contradictory statements then afterwards?

    That makes no sense does it.

  72. Ishola70

    AH as said in the other post who gives a toss if Kroenke made the decision to sell Nasri over Wenger’s wishes.

    That is usually the scenario at other clubs if a player is in the last year of his contract and is making noises about wanting to join another club. The decision is not made by the manager when it reaches that point.

    If Wenger has you kidded that he makes decisions of this nature or has made decisions in the past when it comes to this point with a player then more fol you.

    How about addressing the reason these players in the first place run down their contracts and toddle off.

    This is in addition to Nasri’s bullshitting.

  73. Ishola70

    Chika:
    “The anti Wenger obsession is just so ridiculous lol.”

    No the all let’s feel sorry for Arsene Wenger narrative is ridiculous.

    It’s pitiful.

    We have posters saying that poor old Arsene is over-ruled and the selling of players in the last year of their contracts who don’t want to sign on is done by the nasty men other than dear old Arsene.

    For gods sake that is how most clubs run when players reach that point. The manager is out of the equation.

  74. Ishola70

    Akilan:
    “What are the most reliable twitter accounts re transfers? How good is moleyfootball?”

    He’s not reliable like most twitter ITks.

    He quotes tribalfootball.com lol

    If you want an amazing scoop though before anybody else he is your man. Just don’t rely on it.

  75. S Asoa

    Been reading the discourse today punctuated by AH Champagne! calling some “cunt” another “a scrotum “and over the columns directing the conversation.
    He has been called love child of his Hero who can do no wrong and only the s.o.b. Kroenke is responsible.
    But the picture emerges AH is an agente provocateur and quite sophisticated going about it.

  76. Alexanderhenry

    Marko

    He spends what he’s given. I’ve answered this question from you about five times.
    It was certainly not because he could have spent but chose not to on principle.

  77. Champagne charlie

    S asoa

    Might want to go from reading the discourse to communicating a readable version of your own. That comment was noise

  78. Dissenter

    Kroenke has to make the decision to sell Sanchez regardless of what Wenger thinks.
    This shouldn’t be Ieft in Wenger’s hands.
    We are Arsenal. Our existence isn’t tied to Sanchez.
    We have to plan as is he’s going because he will be gone next year anyway.

  79. Chika

    Well Wenger has the right to choose what his football ambitions/values are. If his boss doesn’t fancy him, then Wenger should be sacked.

  80. Alexanderhenry

    Ishola

    ‘AH as said in the other post who gives a toss if Kroenke made the decision to sell Nasri over Wenger’s wishes.

    I give a toss.

    The austerity period at arsenal was enforced and unnecessary.
    It lead to the early break up of the invincibles and the humiliation of having to sell our best players to rival teams.

    Despite arsenal’s recent spending, the club is where it is in no small part because of those years.

    Now, we have lost the advantage as the money in the PL is so huge for every club. Also, Spurs’, Liverpool’s and everton’s new stadia or stadium extensions will mean their match day takings will rival ours.

  81. Marko

    He spends what he’s given. I’ve answered this question from you about five times.
    It was certainly not because he could have spent but chose not to on principle.

    So he goes from 42 million one summer to 35 million the next THEN he’s given just 10 million before 90 million last summer. And you expect me to believe he spends what he’s given? That’s a bit far fetched. What’s more likely is he had funds available but chose to gamble on another season. The very notion that a club Arsenal’s size had a transfer budget of 10 million after buying Ozil and Sanchez well it’s pretty fucking stupid to be honest. You’d have to be a real disingenuous lemming to believe that tripe. In my opinion

  82. Richard robbins

    Tough day at the ole office? Same stuff we all know. They’re never prepared and agents dislike wenger. If Bayern passed Sanchez due to salary, how do we force a trade? We need talent back to replace; or creatively incentivize a contract that gives him a pass to be sold outside of the premier league next year if we don’t make top four. Not every player is loyal to club; theircareer is short and many want the money and glory. Basic. I guess. Our problem is he is still needed direly given our offense. They should cut a deal; always can discount in January. Right now they need to put out a decision to his representatives he’s staying.

  83. Alexanderhenry

    Ishola

    ‘No the all let’s feel sorry for Arsene Wenger narrative is ridiculous.’

    I don’t feel sorry for wenger at all. He was a fool for allowing himself to be put in the position where everyone blamed him.

    All those questions about money were unique to wenger. Managers aren’t supposed to provide explanations for a club’s finances. We have a BOD, an owner and a CEO who should be dealing with that.

    Also, wenger has lost touch with his position as manager. He is ultimately accountable to the fans not to Kroenke.

    The carry on about his contract last season and his own arrogance on the matter was a disgrace.
    He should have walked.

  84. Alexanderhenry

    Marko

    The idea that a manager would willingly not spend money made a available to him , and that a club would tolerate that is ridiculous.

  85. Alexanderhenry

    Dissenter

    Sanchez is off. It would stupid not to sell him. The important thing is that wenger and arsenal reinvest that money and get someone as good.

  86. Bamford10

    I kind of hope Arsenal are fucking crap again this season at the moment just so a dickhead like Champagne Charlie suffers.

    Alexander – If Arsenal don’t do well this season, who is to blame and why?

  87. Tonyd

    Nasri was a spoilt brat always throwing his toys out of his pram. At times a great talent but I wasn’t unhappy to see him go.

    Just a shame Wenger wasn’t the calibre of manager who could attract a better replacement.

    Really don’t know what the fuss about Him going to City.

    Cesc was a different class as was RVP. Those losses were far more damaging to us.

  88. Cesc Appeal

    Sanchez is a fantastic player, one of the best around. But he is not the foundations of our future anymore quite clearly. Whether it is in a few days or ten months, he is gone.

    It is virtually impossible to buy a player after selling him and claim he is a replacement, but what we can do is sell Sanchez and go out and try to lay the foundations of Arsenal for years to come. If you lose Sanchez but go out and sign, for example, Lemar and a high level young wide attacking prospect, fair enough no one can say we have replaced the world class Sanchez but what we may well have done is set ourselves up for years to come.

    Sanchez is kicking to get out, we already know he can go solo and into disruptive mode when he wants, he is Chile’s superstar so does need to really put a shift in this year to guarantee World Cup football and he could be a City player in January.

    The club need to be proactive, get the very best deal they can and then try to build for the future. Lemar, someone like Goretzka and a young premium talent wide forward would do that, in my opinion.

    Also, £30 Million for Walcott. Haha. F**k me. That is an absolute gift, if that is a concrete offer and we do not sell the whole lot of them, Wenger, Kroenke, Gazidis etc should be driven out just for that.

  89. Chika

    Ishola

    ‘No the all let’s feel sorry for Arsene Wenger narrative is ridiculous.’

    Please, stop making stuffs up, no one on here feels sorry for Wenger.

  90. Champagne charlie

    “I kind of hope Arsenal are fucking crap again this season at the moment just so a dickhead like Champagne Charlie suffers.”

    Marko care to police the blog again against mean words and insults?

    Bamford you show yourself up time and again, wanting the team you supposedly support to falter to spite a guy you’ve never met before.

    Classic bellend if ever there was one. You’re quite literally the worst type of follower leeched onto Arsenal.

  91. Bamford10

    Wenger: “I think Jack Wilshere will be at Arsenal next year. He has to work hard and fight for a place in the team.”

    Good call or bad call?

  92. Redtruth

    Bamford
    “I kind of hope Arsenal are fucking crap again this season at the moment just so a dickhead like Champagne Charlie suffers.”

    F*** *** Champagne charlie is comfortable with mediocrity.
    No need to hope as it’s a given Arsenal will be crap this season

  93. Marko

    The idea that a manager would willingly not spend money made a available to him , and that a club would tolerate that is ridiculous.

    Believing that only 10 million was available after we spent 78 million on two players and the summer before we spent 90 million is pretty dumb. The idea I heard that summer was he wanted Benzema or nothing and when Benzema decided he didn’t want to leave Arsene refused to go for another striker refused to spend the money and gambled once again with another season. The season Leicester won the league I believe. So unless you think he would have gotten Benzema for 10 million he absolutely left money available untouched. I mean I get it fans like yourself for some reason have to stick up for everything he does have to make excuses for everything wrong but I would’ve thought that 10 million/no outfield player bought summer was pretty indefensible

  94. Bamford10

    Charlie

    You’re a fucking douche-bag. That’s obvious to anyone who reads even two of your posts. Worse, your sense of self-worth is tied to Arsenal Football Club. You take any criticism of the club as if it were criticism of Charlie.

    I have already resigned myself to Arsenal not being very good as long as Wenger is still around; but I would love to see things get painful for you — as they’re likely to do if Wenger doesn’t sign another couple players.

    If Arsenal don’t do well this season, is there anyone to blame but Wenger?

  95. Marko

    Marko care to police the blog again against mean words and insults?

    No no just pointing out that you were the first today to insult someone when they were partaking in a civil discussion. Nothing more.

  96. Samesong

    Good call or bad call?

    Look forward to hogging the ball then losing it getting easily barged off and lying on the floor.

  97. Bamford10

    Alexander

    You haven’t said: was signing Wenger to a new two-year contract a good decision or a bad decision?

    What do you think, Chika? Good decision or bad one and why?

  98. Bamford10

    Samesong

    And look forward to him hobbling off the field the first time he lands awkwardly. He is totally crocked, and this was obvious some time ago.

    Maybe Kroenke has forced Wenger to hold on to him, though.

  99. Marko

    Alexander – If Arsenal don’t do well this season, who is to blame and why?

    Kroenke obviously. He only made 142 million the last two summers available to Arsene and forced him to stick with Jack and Theo and others.

  100. Cesc Appeal

    ‘Good call or bad call?’

    Stupid call.

    If Sampdoria really are offering £9 Million for him then take it. You could well have raised nearly £40 Million from Walcott and Wilshere if those deals come to fruition.

    No point at all in keeping Wilshere, Busted and even when he does play at best he is average, his quality is now an absolute myth. Worse still, statistically when he did manage a run of games in the Arsenal side in the 2014/15 season he had a majorly negative impact on the team and we were a far better side without him.

  101. Redtruth

    This is the worst side ever under Wenger.
    Finishing fifth and relying on two non league sides to progress in the Cup. What’s to cheer about..

  102. Tonyd

    If Wilshire couldn’t be one of the better performers for Bournemouth last season, it really proves he is not good enough for us no matter how hard he works for a place.

    You don’t see Bournemouth wanting to sign him.

    But no doubt he’ll end up being heralded as a new signing by Wenger.

  103. Champagne charlie

    Bamford
    Yawn. Your little hissy fits on here don’t bother anyone mate. I find it hilarious that you think anything Arsenal related would cause me pain hahaha absolute tool of a human you are.

    Marko
    Oh funny that, so I’ll keep that in mind then shall I? So surprised you’ve clammed up now bamfords spit the dummy. Clockwork

  104. Chika

    Bamford

    As a fan, I don’t think giving Wenger an extension was a good thing.

    I’ve not been totally impressed with the manner he has handled the team generally. Tolerating certain players etc.
    However, his style has kept him in a posh job so…

    Bamford, if you were Kroenke, what would have done with Wenger this summer?

  105. Marko

    CA the thing is fair enough Sanchez goes and use the money and whatever to plan for the future but one would you trust this manager to plan for the future of this club anymore? Especially after he got a two-year deal unless you think he’ll be here longer. And two even short term wise you trust him to get the necessary players in? As the likes of you and WE have been saying for nigh on two years now the only guarantee you get with this manager in this current set up is mediocrity and never challenging for a league title. Planning for the future though he is honestly the worst manager for that. Project youth, British core and our youth set up are examples of that

  106. Marko

    Oh funny that, so I’ll keep that in mind then shall I? So surprised you’ve clammed up now bamfords spit the dummy. Clockwork

    That’s funny cause I notice every time someone challenges Alexander you suddenly turn up like a knight in shining armour. It’s quite nice really. Strength in numbers and all that.

  107. Champagne charlie

    Marko

    Haven’t talked about anything he’s said today, didn’t even read what he’s put. Try again

  108. Tonyd

    Marko
    Wenger can’t even plan for the coming season let alone a 3 year plan to assemble a team who can win the EPL or at least be within three points of winning the title.

    His headless chicken trolley dash is all but 5 weeks away.

    Has Sanogo got a brother who plays football?

  109. Marko

    His headless chicken trolley dash is all but 5 weeks away.

    Absolutely accurate. I mean he’s already talked about how quiet it is (it isn’t) and about how the final two weeks will be busy and the final week even busier. It’s allset up for two weeks of speculation and expectations of signings only to be met with nothing better than what we’ve got and Wilshere will be back soon and all the usual shite that comes with not addressing squad issues

  110. Redtruth

    Champagne charlie seems these days to be part of the furniture on legrove, that is until the annual mid season rot sets in when he then is nowhere to be seen

  111. Marko

    Champagne charlie seems these days to be part of the furniture on legrove, that is until the annual mid season rot sets in when he then is nowhere to be seen

    True. Not like you Red through thick and thin that’s you

  112. Chika

    Bamford

    Good!

    Do you therefore agree that Kroenke is the bigger problem or you believe he is under Wenger’s spell?; D

  113. Duzie

    We will still argue about Wenger in 2019, when he would be given a new contract by the Arsenal board. Why don’t you all save yourselves the stress?
    To me, I feel defeated, since his contract was renewed. Seeing him on the dugout makes me sick. Seeing his name in the news, and his rhetorical comments make me sick as well.
    Sincerely, I hope Pedro devises new ways to make Le Grove more dynamic in nature. I may be speaking for myself – in the following seasons, I’m going to be a bit unattached to the team. It has come to that.
    Are we not seeing the patterns again? There’s a promise to get excellent players into the team, the holes are gaping, the dross overflowing, Wenger drooling on the prospect of promoting 17 year olds, we sign one or two players, thereby making the squad about 40% ready for the season.
    Gazidis talked about about change. I see no change, but just the same modus operandi – the status quo. It’s unsurprising.

  114. Bamford10

    Chika

    I have explained this many times now: Kroenke is a problem, but he is only a problem because he believes in and trusts Arsene Wenger. He does not meddle in transfer dealings, and he does not restrict what the manager can spend. Therefore, he is a problem, but he is not the biggest problem, because if we had a proper manager, Kroenke wouldn’t be a problem at all.

    Is he a fucking moron for re-signing Wenger? Yes, but of course he doesn’t know anything about the game, so his belief in Wenger is a little more understandable than the AKB’s. I mean, what excuse does the AKB have?

    As for his being under his spell, I wouldn’t go that far. It’s just s matter of his knowing nothing about the game and his buying Wenger’s endless bullshit.

  115. reality check

    “anyone who thinks Lacazette is going to predominantly play wide for Arsenal is a scrotum.” -CC

    Smh

  116. Bamford10

    Let’s move the discussion forward: if we keep Alexis, what signings do we still need to make?

    If we don’t make any additional signings, what will the first XI be and where do you see us finishing?

  117. reality check

    ZacoJuly 16, 2017    16:26:22

    “We are Arsenal. Our existence isn’t tied to Sanchez”

    Or RVP
    Or Cesc
    Or Nasri
    Or Henry
    Or Vieira
    Or Petit

    Hmmm starting to see a pattern here?

    Bah, Wenger knows!

  118. Duzie

    Kroenke is a problem
    Gazidis is a problem
    Wenger is a problem
    The board members are a problem

    Until, they are obliterated from the scene, we will not move to the next gear in the race to be among the elite.