Trouble brewing?

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Happy happy Saturday! Apologies for the lack of blogging, I’m in Spain on a stag do, at an event I’m 12 years too old for. No big deal, my coolness transcends age. Well, that’s what the lady in Marks and Sparks told me when I was buying a banging pair of 3/4 lengths.

Talking of hip, how about Arsenal in Aus? Cannot believe 83,000 showed up to see Darren Burgess Performance Direct. Fair play, great to see how important our brand has become around the world and it’s positive we won both games.

BIG TALKING POINT: Giroud ignored Lacazette when he celebrated scoring.

Big deal. I like that they don’t like each other. It’s called competition. If we had a bit more of it in the squad, it’d up the levels for sure.

Wenger dropped in with the second talking point centered around M’Bappe.

SHOCK HORROR: he will not be coming to us.

‘What we know now with Mbappe it’s over £100m, after [that amount] it’s free to imagine what you want, but we’ve not made any offe

‘Too much choice, maybe. So in the end, people don’t move.’

So here’s my thing. If we were in for M’Bappe, and now we’re not, are we going in for someone else?

DOUBT IT AFC PR AGAIN WE ARE THE FOOLS.

It’s amusing, because now we’re at the stage in the summer where holding onto players becomes the transfer wins.

Ozil and Chamberlain are going to be wins.

Then it’ll be Jack W and Chezzer.

Then we’ll take a shine to a kid tearing it up.

Like clockwork.

Anyway, a positive start to preseason. Let’s keep
Looking forward.

COME ON YOU REDS

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  1. Ishola70

    It’s not just a case about profit or football performance in these cases.

    Believe it or not there is a mutual respect between football players and managers and football players at the highest level in most cases or if we are not talking about youth/rookie players.

    The feelings of the fans is of secondary importance with these people and to think otherwise is naive,

  2. Ishola70

    If Alexis Sanchez makes it perfectly clear to Arsene Wenger that he wants to go this summer it is highly unlikely if it comes to crunch time that Wenger will stand in his way.

    Mutual respect between these people. Fans feelings secondary.

  3. TR7

    Alex Henry

    If Dortmund could afford to lose Lewandowski on a free for pure footballing reasons why can’t Arsenal do the same with Alexis when we have always had more financial resources than Dortmund ? Stan and Wenger have made Arsenal fans think like accountants. I wouldn’t like us to sell Alexis to City at any cost. Makes no sense to me.

  4. Bamford10

    Ishola

    I’d say it’s more that Wenger always does what he thinks is best for the player, even if this is worse for the club. It’s more this, IMO, than a “mutual respect” thing.

  5. Alexanderhenry

    TR7

    This is arsenal we’re talking about.
    As I said, we’ve been through all this before with rvp, nasri, cesc and others.

  6. Bamford10

    And Kroenke says little to nothing about the direction of the club. Other than: “whatever you say, Arsene. I trust you.”

  7. Emiratesstroller

    TR7

    Agreed

    Alexander Henry

    Disagree

    I think the message this summer is very clear that Wenger needs to produce
    a “competitive” if not” title winning” team even if it means spending money in
    transfer window and/or forgoing a potential cost in not selling Sanchez.

    The bottom line is Mahrez and Lemar are not replacements for Sanchez. They
    would be for me an upgrade on Walcott and possibly Oxlade-Chamberlain.

    Players like Sanchez are fickle. If they see improvement at Arsenal during the
    course of season they can change their mind and sign a new contract.

  8. TR7

    Bamford

    I don’t want to go in to Stan vs Wenger debate again but it’s an open secret that Stan forced Wenger to sell Nasri to City against his wish. Can’t absolve him of any blame. Both of them are culpable for the mess at the club.

  9. Alexanderhenry

    Here’s how I think it will pan out.

    The Alexis saga will drag on throughout the summer. Wenger will continue to say variations on; ‘I think he’ll stay’ or ‘I expect him to stay’.

    In the end Alexis will leave, and Wenger will say something along the lines of:
    ‘I did my best but in the end if a player really wants to leave, there’s nothing you can do’.

    Just before the window closes wenger will buy a couple of players; including maybe Mahrez .

  10. loyika

    @ Bam

    So for an owner is that a good thing or a bad thing.

    If a CEO did that with all his head of departments does that make him cool?

    I believe Arsene wanted Karim Benzema, but it was rumoured that the BoD balked at his wage demands. Lets not always paint things as if its only Arsene that decides these things when it comes to players and transfers. Yes he has a major say, but others have a say as well (more than we think or care to acknowledge)

    Arsene is the “Fall Guy!” and relishes that role, so not shedding tears on his behalf. But no way does the sale or otherwise of Alexis fall solely on his table.

  11. Marko

    Marko, when I was at the ground at the later end of last season, you could hear supporters talking about how Sanchez was a mercenary and another RVP and, I even heard one say that when he plays well it’s only for himself as a kind of “come get me” to City or Bayern.

    I think you’ll find those fans that were so quick to turn on him were probably just trying to save face and have their excuses lined up for when he left. The club is a joke though. Simply not ambitious enough for truly great players to want to join or stay.

  12. Bamford10

    TR7

    Please provide evidence of claim that “Stan forced Wenger” to sell Nasri. This sounds like nonsense, IMO.

  13. Alexanderhenry

    Loyika

    Agreed.

    Overall, an owner does dictate the direction of any football club.
    In effect they do this by performing two basic tasks:

    1) Determining how much finance is available.

    2) Recruiting staff to manage the club.

    Stan’s record at all his clubs is underwhelming regarding both of these.

  14. Bamford10

    Loyika

    If you’re asking whether it’s good that Kroenke has placed full and complete (and blind) faith in Wenger, the answer is no, it’s a fucking disaster.

    Kroenke is a poor owner, but not because he has restricted Arsenal’s spending; he is a poor owner (with respect to Arsenal) because he has allowed Wenger to continue with his counterproductive approach and with his futile project, despite continuously inadequate results.

  15. loyika

    No!! What sounds like nonsense is your feeling that Arsene sits down there and makes all the transfer decisions. Because Sir Chips says something during amd AGM and Arsene nods his head (amd is happy being the Fall Guy) doesn’t make it true.

    We might as well say he handed himself his 2 years extention rwgardless of Stan K? Because he is this “See all” and “Know all” powerful deity that the BoD worship the ground he walks on.

    Like most would agree, he has a powerful voice when it comes to transfer ins and outs but to think he makes 100% of the decisions is just plain bollocks.

  16. Marko

    Players like Sanchez are fickle. If they see improvement at Arsenal during the
    course of season they can change their mind and sign a new contract.

    Absolutely agree. You convince players like Sanchez to stay with actions and transfers not words and text messages. Great we signed Kolasinac and Lacazette wonderful now don’t stop there but unfortunately we have Arsene Wenger as manager and instead of kicking on and making the club competitive he comes out with his usual dithering it’s tough to find quality out there, we’ll sign 3 players maximum. I mean it’s looking pretty obvious now that signings will depend on players leaving (Sanchez leaving) and he’scome out and said he wants to keep Wilshere and Oxlade and Giroud and Walcott so no signings then.

  17. loyika

    There are some transfers that Arsene influences, like letting Cesc go at the price he went for the Barca and there are those where the BoD had a say – like a decision to make sure they got rid of all David Dein’s son clients at the club.

    That was a policy agreed by the BoD as they felt Darren Dein (i hope thats his name) was being a negative influence as an Agent and there was no love lost between the BoD and DD.

    Will you now say Arsene is the reason Usmanov has no seat on the BoD as well!?(since he is all powerful?)

  18. Emiratesstroller

    Marko

    The test of Arsenal’s ambition is whether the team will improve next season.

    Sofar Arsenal have brought in two players who might be considered upgrades on what we have got. Kolasinac is almost certainly a better left back than Gibbs.

    Lacazette is a prolific goalscorer and more mobile than Giroud, but in any event a better player than Lucas who is likely to leave this summer.

    Lemar or Mahrez if brought in would be better wing options than Walcott and
    Oxlade. The former scores goals, but his overall game is poor. Whilst Ox is a
    limited goalscorer and inconsistent.

    None of the above players can be considered an adequate replacement for Sanchez.

    The club has already taken a financial hit by failing to qualify for Champions
    League AND a substantial reduction in season ticket prices not to mention that they may struggle to fill seats this season.

    Arsenal cannot afford to repeat next season failure to qualify for CL.

  19. Marko

    Not this again. Alex we get it it’s all Kroenke a little bit of Wenger to blame (just a little not too much though). It’s tedious enough. Anyway post us up an article there about the Denver nuggets will ya. It’s been ages since the last one

  20. Ishola70

    Nasri? Meh.

    There were some that weren’t particularly bothered when he was sold off.

    Besides we are talking about 2011 six years ago.

    Arsenal were still not in a position at that time with their self-sufficiency to be able to operate from an even playing field with the finances. It was only in later years when the club could do this and more money was generated that didn’t have to go back in to even out those finances.

  21. Alexanderhenry

    Marko

    The buck stops at stan. It’s an inconvenient truth and one you’re unwilling to face up to, but the truth nonetheless.

  22. Bamford10

    TR7

    Sorry, but that’s not evidence of anything. First of all, that is Nasri’s representation of something Wenger allegedly told him behind closed doors. Who knows what Wenger actually said? Wenger might have said “the board” wanted him to consider offers for Nasri and Nasri could have interpreted this as “Kroenke”. The idea that Kroenke would have so micromanaged things here is not believable, as it contradicts everything else we know about how decisions get made at Arsenal, i.e., Kroenke is very hands off, Wenger has nearly complete control over nearly all decisions.

    Second, even if Wenger did tell Nasri that he would prefer not to sell him but that ownership was forcing him to shop him around, this could just as easily have been Wenger lying to a player in order to preserve appearances with the player.

    My understanding is that Nasri wanted to play CAM — now that Cesc was gone — and he wanted a raise. This, IMO, is why Wenger sold him, and because he thought he could do just as well without him.

  23. loyika

    @ Marko?

    Whats your issue. Bam asked for evidence and some posters decided to give it to him? (something a little research would have addressed for him)

    Was going to post some of the same articles myself but they beat me to it.

  24. Marko

    Also Alexander you never answered my question if Arsene always spends what the owner allows him to spend then explain that summer we only brought in a goalkeeper for 10 million and no outfield player? It was after we spent 42 million on Ozil and 35 million for Sanchez you know the summer before we spent 90 million. Explain that summer cause I seem to have read that it was Benzema or nothing for the manager and when he didn’t want to leave Madrid (absolutely nothing about our board balking at his wages) Wenger signed no one else and gambled on another season

  25. Bamford10

    Loyika

    Except that Wenger himself has said he has complete control over transfers and that he has not been restricted by ownership. And no one is saying he has “complete control over everything”; that is a straw-man.

  26. Emiratesstroller

    Ishola 70

    As you quite rightly point out it is a long time ago that Van Persie and Nasri
    were sold.

    Arsenal have not sold a major player to another club in EPL or for that matter in Europe for a very long time.

    So that the argument that we are a “selling” club today is not substantiated.
    It would only be relevant if we were selling Bellerin, Sanchez or Ozil this
    summer.

  27. loyika

    So we should believe you and not the player because you feel he was sold a lie!?

    Jeez!! Now i have heard it all.

    I hope you never put up any article yourself because everyone will use/throw your statement back at you.

  28. Bamford10

    TR7

    Another thing: if it were actually the case that Wenger wanted to keep Nasri but the owner forced him to sell him, every single manager on the planet (save one, apparently) would have resigned immediately.

    No manager would ever agree to work under such an arrangement.

    Sorry, but that is just not believable. Not at all.

  29. Marko

    The buck stops at stan. It’s an inconvenient truth and one you’re unwilling to face up to, but the truth nonetheless.

    Well it starts with the manager. Any scenario you can think of it’s always the manager who goes first. But unfortunately we have a hands off owner who is hoodwinked by a manager who can go around the board for a new contract. It’s a wonderful set up really. We’re one old guy’s plaything cause another guy only cares about money

  30. loyika

    @ Bam

    You are the one throwing “Straw men!” comments, left, right and center.

    Now you are a mind reader or spiritualist to know that Nasri was told a lie!! Beautiful.

    Mate let it go.

  31. Bamford10

    Loyika

    Actually, that wasn’t my argument. My argument is:
    – that is a player’s understanding of a conversation with a man who often speaks obliquely
    – that claim stands in contradiction not only to other claims re how the club works but to ALL OF THE EXISTING EVIDENCE re how the club works
    – that claim contradicts what Wenger himself has said about how transfers are handled at Arsenal
    – that claim is not plausible (see my last post just above)

  32. Alexanderhenry

    Marko

    That’s right. As I’ve said before, only Kroenke has the power to fire wenger and the decision to re employ him was his. He didn’t even consult the BOD.

    The worry for me is this. If you look at kroenke’s record as an owner of sports ‘franchises’, it does not bode well for arsenal..at all.

    This is a massive issue for arsenal football club. If you have someone in charge who is not motivated by winning and primarily interested in profit, the club will fail.

  33. Ishola70

    Emiratesstroller:
    “Arsenal have not sold a major player to another club in EPL or for that matter in Europe for a very long time.So that the argument that we are a “selling” club today is not substantiated.”

    Perhaps there have been no really rich pickings from the club for several years that the big players have really been interested in? 😉

    If Arsenal don’t get their act together they will be picked off again make no mistake. There is a natural pecking order in all walks of life including dealings with football clubs and Arsenal have teams above them that will pick the fruits again from the club. Especially will increase if Arsenal are without CL football for any real length of time.

  34. Bamford10

    Marko

    The guy literally knows NOTHING about Arsene Wenger — and has nothing to say about him.

    “But have you read about the Denver Nuggets …”

  35. TR7

    Bamford

    Haha okay you should not have asked for any evidence then as you surely have no regard for any evidence that doesn’t fit your narrative. I would rather believe the comments of the player concerned who was in the thick of things than your conjectures.

  36. loyika

    @ Bam

    Until you show evidence otherwise i think i will take Nasri’s comments over what you think he was told.

    Evidence based!!

    There are enough things to beat Arsene over the head with, but to allude to this is either saying Nasri is a dumbfcuk that can’t tell when someone is bullshyting him or that Arsene has a hold over the players minds that they believe all je tells them?

    Well in that case he should work his magic and tell Alexis he is going no where.

  37. Bamford10

    Alexander

    Well at least we can agree that re-signing Wenger was a terrible decision.

    But re this: “If you have someone in charge who is not motivated by winning …”

    One can’t help but recall that it was just two days ago that Wenger told the world that winning isn’t everything, that what really matters is a club’s “values”. He then spoke about “values” for a few minutes — nebulously as always. You’d have us believe he was merely echoing a narrative he had been fed by Kroenke. Sorry, but anyone who has been listening to Wenger for the past 20 years knows that this was/is 100% all Wenger, pure Wenger.

  38. Ishola70

    Nasri may well have his own reasons for putting out I was sold rather than forced it myself.

    Not that I am at all bothered that he was sold.

    Also as said before Arsenal were not on a level playing field with finances six years ago so Kroenke rubber stamping the sale or insisting on it is quite conceivable.

  39. Bamford10

    Rambo back to misrepresenting other people’s arguments again.

    Where have I said anything positive about Stan Kroenke? Nowhere.

    No surprise, too, that Rambo turns to the most grotesque of language and imagery to express himself. You’re disgusting, mate.

  40. Alexanderhenry

    Ishola

    Agreed.

    We were told by Gazidis a ew years back that austerity was over and arsenal would no longer lose their best players to ‘bigger’ clubs.

    We’ll see.

  41. Marko

    The worry for me is this. If you look at kroenke’s record as an owner of sports ‘franchises’, it does not bode well for arsenal..at all.

    This again after being told countless times you can’t compare American sports and a football club in London. Look the glazers are hardly trend setters in American sports and they’re likely to buy a title in England long before we ever even compete for one.

    ‘100 paste job articles ‘.I think of them as evidence

    Yeah but you dismiss the evidence of Wenger so easily.

    Again please in your own opinion answer me on that one summer where we spent only 10 million. Was it Kroenke refusing funds or did Wenger in fact refuse to spend funds available to him?

  42. TR7

    Ishola

    Nasri meh ? Really ? For me he was the best Arsenal player in 2010-11 season and if he stayed at Arsenal he could have gone on to do great things. Even now he pisses all over all the right side players we have brought in or played over the years to replace him – Theo, Ramsey,Benayoun, Welbeck etc.

  43. Rambo Ramsey

    Sanchez firmly puts the ball in Arsenal’s court. Something tells me the club management are shitting themselves at the moment.

    Keep a close eye on the news, might see some anti-Sanchez machinations from the club pr department.

  44. Bamford10

    TR7

    Agree with you that Nasri was a great player — better than many we have now — and that we should have kept him. Indeed if we had kept him, played him as the CAM and signed a couple of quality players, we probably could have held on to Van Persie.

  45. Ishola70

    TR7:
    “Nasri meh ? Really ? For me he was the best Arsenal player in 2010-11 season and if he stayed at Arsenal he could have gone on to do great things. Even now he pisses all over all the right side players we have brought in or played over the years to replace him – Theo, Ramsey,Benayoun, Welbeck etc.”

    Talented but lacking mental fortitude and real strength of character to be seen as a real top, top player. Didn’t really work out for him in the end did it his move to Manchester City. Had some good times no doubt at City but overall but a complete stellar signing for them.

  46. Rambo Ramsey

    ‘Rambo back to misrepresenting other people’s arguments again.’

    You make no arguments, dingus. Just write utter Wenger obsessed drivel time and again. See a doctor.

  47. Marko

    There’s no way of spinning it any other way Arsenal’s best player publicly saying he wants to leave after the club finishes 5th looks bad. That’s it. It shows the club for how ambition-less it has become.

  48. Alexanderhenry

    There’s no doubt that unfortunately wenger has bought into the club ‘values’ line.

    In that sense he’s lost his perspective on who he is actually accountable to.
    I mean of course, the fans.

    The most important aspect of any club is the fan base.

    Arsenal fans have payed top dollar for years and in return they have seen the club effectively downsized. The ‘values’ line is a cynical tactic brought in to manage expectations and ensure that plucky arsenal who play the right way and don’t buy the league like those vulgar sugar daddy clubs, also don’t spend what they can and should.

    Therefore, instead of seeing all that hard earned cash payed by fans, lead to results on the pitch, it’s effectively secured kroenke’s investment and made him a lot richer.

  49. Ishola70

    Alexanderhenry:
    “Agreed. We were told by Gazidis a ew years back that austerity was over and arsenal would no longer lose their best players to ‘bigger’ clubs. We’ll see.”

    Well if Sanchez moves on it is not just a case of blaming the club entirely and certain people who I know you will point the finger at lol.

    As said before professional decisions are made between players and managers at the top level and in many cases these decisions are respected.

    We have a player in Sanchez who clearly believes he should be at either a bigger club or more to the point a more ambitious club than Arsenal.

    Been that way before and will be that way again with The Arsenal esepcially since Wenger still has his hold on the club meaning real progression is impossible.

  50. Rambo Ramsey

    Wasn’t Ivan the terrible rehashing the same bs about ‘values’ weeks ago? You reckon Wenger wrote down the speech for Gazidis to by-heart?

  51. Marko

    There’s no doubt that unfortunately wenger has bought into the club ‘values’ line.

    Don’t forget the summer he didn’t sign an outfield player and he was forced to use “cohesion” as an excuse.

    Why did he only spend 10 million that summer again Alex?

  52. Bamford10

    TR7

    Let’s say for a moment that that is exactly what Wenger told Nasri behind closed doors, and that that was actually true. That is, let’s imagine for a moment that despite Wenger wanting to keep Nasri, and despite Nasri being the team’s best attacking midfielder at the time — we had just lost Fabregas, recall — Stan Kroenke forced Wenger to sell Nasri.

    Now note, I don’t think there is a chance in hell that this is what happened, but let’s imagine for a moment that this is what happened.

    Is there any manager on the planet who would stay in his position under such circumstances? No. Not one.

    Is there any manager on the planet who wouldn’t say something publicly about the absurdity of his situation under his ownership? No. Not one.

    Again, this one questionable piece of “evidence” not only contradicts all of the other evidence, it offers us a picture of the world that simply isn’t plausible.

  53. Alexanderhenry

    Marko

    ‘This again after being told countless times you can’t compare American sports and a football club in London.’

    You’re right to a certain extent. American sports are in fact a lot more egalitarian. With no relegation, wage caps and draft picks, all teams have the chance of competing. It’s not like the dog eat dog world of English and European football.

    Therefore, the fact that all Kroenke’s teams have been consistently shit for such a long time only supports my theory that he is a terrible owner.

    With all the advantages clubs enjoy in US sports, kroenke’s teams remain a miserable, mediocre bunch.

    How can you have any confidence therefore, in arsenal realising its potential under Stan?

  54. Marko

    We have a player in Sanchez who clearly believes he should be at either a bigger club or more to the point a more ambitious club than Arsenal.Been that way before and will be that way again with The Arsenal esepcially since Wenger still has his hold on the club meaning real progression is impossible.

    Yep

  55. Bamford10

    Wenger hasn’t “bought into” the values narrative. He fucking invented it. He has been spinning that line from the beginning, and it was just the other day here that Redtruth pasted in a piece from 2005 in which Wenger was going on and on about his beloved “values”.

  56. Alexanderhenry

    Marko

    You recently posted how you felt very confident arsenal could win the PL and CL post wenger.

    Given what we know about kroenke and his track record, where does this optimism come from?

    ..I wish I shared it by the way.

  57. Rambo Ramsey

    ”Now note, I don’t think there is a chance in hell that this is what happened, but let’s imagine for a moment that this is what happened.Is there any manager on the planet who would stay in his position under such circumstances? No. Not one. Is there any manager on the planet who wouldn’t say something publicly about the absurdity of his situation under his ownership? No. Not one.”

    Says the guy who only a few days ago was using ‘He’s towing the company line’ to defend Gazidis.

    But when it comes to Wenger, it has to be black or white-yes, sir.

    Hilarious.

  58. Bamford10

    Wenger: “I think Jack Wilshere will be at Arsenal next year. He has to work hard and fight for a place in the team.”

    Jesus Christ. The player is completely crocked.

    I supposed Kroenke has forced Wenger’s hand here as well, TR7?

    What a farce.

  59. Marko

    Look I’m not getting into the American sports thing again cause it’s been done. Like I said before one lucky draft pick of ayoung elite QB and the Rams probably win a couple super bowls. That’s it. In American sports you can get lucky in drafts and free agency (moving to LA will help in that regard) and win championships. In european football you need to spend money to compete simple as. And no question this club has had money to burn the last 5-7 years. But we haven’t always addressed squad issues and we absolutely haven’t remotely come close to competing. Why’s that?

  60. Bamford10

    Rambo

    Are Arsene Wenger and Ivan Gazidis the same person? Are they in the same position at Arsenal? Do they have the same amount of clout, power?

    No. No. No.

    Your analyses of things — whether it’s this or it’s “Pep = checkbook manager = Mourinho” — are so inadequate one almost doesn’t know what to say.

  61. Alexanderhenry

    Marko

    ‘Look I’m not getting into the American sports thing again cause it’s been done.’

    Nice try. The ‘American sports’ argument just doesn’t hold up Marko.
    It just adds weight to my argument that Kroenke is an absolute catastrophe of an owner- for all his clubs.

  62. Marko

    Marko Give or take a few million wenger spends what he’s given.

    So the summer before we spent 90 million we only had 10 million for transfers? It wasn’t Wenger refusing to spend or address squad issues (this is an undeniable issue)?

    You recently posted how you felt very confident arsenal could win the PL and CL post wenger.Given what we know about kroenke and his track record, where does this optimism come from?

    I’m just confident that a better manager can do better than 18 points off top spot after a 90 million spend summer.

  63. Alexanderhenry

    Regarding the Nasri statement, I’m reading some nutty, self delusional stuff on here:

    Apparently, the statement is false, but why on earth would Nasri lie?

    If Kroenke didn’t force the sale, who did?

    Did wenger deliberately sell nasri to prove he could win the league with worse players?

  64. N5

    Alex, why does Wenger put up with such bad ownership?

    If he’s working for Stan then he’s as guilty in every single department or he’d walk!!

  65. Bamford10

    Marko

    Don’t you know? The owner is bi-polar. One summer he allows the manager 100m to spend, the next 10m, the next 100m.

    Oh no, it’s not that he is bipolar, it’s that he needed a big cash balance at Arsenal in order to secure better stadium financing for his football team in the states. Except that that argument has been thoroughly rubbished as well.

  66. Bamford10

    Are some of you fucking illiterate? Where did I ever say Nasri “lied”? Jesus Christ. At least read the other person’s post correctly. FFS.

  67. Marko

    It just adds weight to my argument that Kroenke is an absolute catastrophe of an owner- for all his clubs.

    Yeah but the glazers are kind of shit owners in American sports too but they’re not holding back funds for United managers. So the argument that an American owner’s franchises in America can be compared to a football club they own in Europe is fanciful at best. I mean if the Rams win the super bowl next year and we finished 10th in the league there’ll be just as much correlation between the two as there is right now.

  68. Alexanderhenry

    Marko

    Well, we’ll see in time.

    Personally, I think things will get worse post wenger. I have absolutely no confidence in the current ownership of arsenal making the right decisions regarding:

    a) Financial commitment

    or

    b) Recruitment

    Still, we’ll preserve our ‘values’.

    Time will tell.

  69. Champagne charlie

    Marko

    Back to the dither commentary I see, on what premise exactly? Two first 11 names in and we’re now in Australia/Gina but you think we should be adding more right this second?

    Sums you up. Pretty embarrassing comments about Alexis too, “sobering” lol didn’t listen to the interview then? So unlike you to latch onto a tabloid and run..

  70. TR7

    Bamford

    You are mixing things up unnecessarily. Wenger not resigning from his post in 2011 doesn’t make a case for him being in agreement with Kroenke on Nasri’s sale. Football managers generally don’t just quit their jobs because of disagreement with their owners regarding one particular transfer. It doesn’t work that way unless you have a maverick and eccentric person at the helm. Jak Wilshere argument is a complete straw-man. Everybody knows Wenger loves Jack and wants to give him as much chance as possible. It has got no relation with Nasri case. The debate was not even about Wenger, it was about Korenke and I must say your unflinching faith in him is misplaced and not based on any objective assessment. He forced Nasri out of Arsenal that much is clear to me.

  71. Bamford10

    Alexander

    Wenger sold Nasri completely of his own accord, and did so because Nasri:
    – asked for wages that would challenge Wenger’s “socialist” wage scale
    – said he wanted to win titles, whether at Arsenal or somewhere else
    – asked to be made the CAM
    – offended Wenger

    And also because, yes, Wenger wanted to show that he could win without adopting the world’s ways. As always.

  72. Bamford10

    TR7

    Sorry, but none of that touches my argument. There is no manager on the planet who would accept a situation in which the owner forced him to sell a player that he did not want to sell. And he certainly wouldn’t accept it without even a murmur of public commentary.

    Yet that is what you are asking us to believe occurred.

    Moreover, not only are you asking us to believe this implausible scenario, but this scenario runs counter to everything Wenger has ever said about how transfer dealings work at Arsenal and all other existing evidence.

    So, sorry, but no.

  73. Marko

    Don’t you know? The owner is bi-polar. One summer he allows the manager 100m to spend, the next 10m, the next 100m.

    That must be it. Otherwise Alex isn’t giving much away. Ask him about Kroenke he goes nuts ask him about Wenger he spends what’s available to him. No real accountability. As I said before fuck Kroenke but to blame him and not Wenger for certain things is incredible. It’s Kroenke’s fault we never address squad issues or offer new contracts to injured and undeserving players or for the poor football we play or the regular drubbings we get from decent teams every season. My ass it is. Blame Kroenke for Park for Stepanovs for Santos for Sanogo for Almunia for the youth set up for the scouting network for the bang average training methods and coaches that are pilling up at the club. This stan is a menace alright. Such a shame he’s mates with Primoric and Bould and Peyton and Rowley.

  74. Rambo Ramsey

    Its no surprise your struggle to understand others’ pov. In your Wenger obsessed mind, there’s only one way and its the right way.

    Everyone makes their case behind closed doors and then a decision is made. Once this decision is made, everyone in the company abide by it whether it is to show an united front or just to keep their job safe. Wenger not coming out to throw a tantrum in a press conference does not equate to Wenger made the decision to sell Nasri.

    Similar to how you pointed that Gazidis coming out and gushing about Wenger in front of cameras should not be taken as the actuality of his feelings re the manager.

    You love putting up questions based on certain scenarios so here’s mine to you:

    Why would any manager willfully want to lose his best employee?

  75. Marko

    Personally, I think things will get worse post wenger.

    So you think that there’s not one manager out there who could do a better job?

  76. Alexanderhenry

    TR7

    Excellent point. Managers lose players they’d rather keep all the time.

    Fergie losing Ronaldo is a case in point.

    Kroenke forced Nasri’s sale. It’s a fact.
    This wouldn’t be the first time an owner has done this but the the level of obsessive anti wengerism on here means that we’ve now entered the land of the loons.

    Really, the level of discourse is getting nuttier and nuttier on here.

  77. Rambo Ramsey

    Bamford showing himself up as the ultimate buffoon today.

    Shouts for evidence but when someone brings it and it doesn’t back up his agenda, disregards it. Then proceeds to insist his own version of event is the absolute truth.

    Couldn’t make this up if you tried.

  78. Rambo Ramsey

    Bamford

    Its no surprise your struggle to understand others’ pov. In your Wenger obsessed mind, there’s only one way and its the right way.

    Everyone makes their case behind closed doors and then a decision is made. Once this decision is made, everyone in the company abide by it whether it is to show an united front or just to keep their job safe. Wenger not coming out to throw a tantrum in a press conference does not equate to Wenger made the decision to sell Nasri.

    Similar to how you pointed that Gazidis coming out and gushing about Wenger in front of cameras should not be taken as the actuality of his feelings re the manager.

    Anyhow: You love putting up questions based on certain scenarios so here’s mine to you: Why would any manager willfully want to lose his best employee?