Ramsey and Santi need replacing | Another new staffer | Bad attitude pairing worth it?

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So what do we have here?

A new keeping coach. Sal Bibbo. Sounds like an extra from Lord of the Rings, but he’s not.

He’s Basingstoke born and raised, Havant & Waterlooville is where he played most of his games, Chillin’ out max, and relaxin’ all cool, and all trainin’ some keepers at the Nike Academy school. When a couple of guys who were up to no good (Ivan & Wenger), made him a nice offer to join the Arsenal neighbourhood

… and he did.
No idea how good he is, doesn’t sound like Lollichan, but whatever, he has a real chance at being better than Gerry P.

We have Lacazette onboard now. It seems clear that we’re bringing a wide player into the mix. Who that’ll be is a mystery. It appears we’ve given up on Lemar, because Monaco want proper money from him and have probably pulled their trousers up after being severely dealt with by the bigger boys in the elite playground.

The rumour is Leicester City enigma, Mr Mahrez.

Now, he’s no doubt talent. However, I do have my worries that we’re taking a punt on a guy who went well and truly missing last year. He has a character flaw, and £50m is a helluva punt for a guy who might not show up. I’d also be super worried about being dependent on the grit of him and Ozil when the chips are down. They’d probably spark up a cigarette and pull out a pack of cards for a quick game of bridge if weather permitted on a dry night in Stoke.

It’d go one of two ways… the dream, where we bring title winner Mahrez back to form. A little but like the rebirth of the whole Chelsea team, in particular, the rebirth of Eden Hazard.

Or he’ll just be an expensive luxury the Gen Z tactics and stats nerds rally behind as the genius that can only be seen through the prism of an Xg graph, wrapped in a radar, contextualised through an opta stat like ‘meta transitional semi-sprints.’

The same carry on that stats pin Aaron Ramsey as the most important midfielder in Europe no one knows about.

I had an interesting debate with Alfred that centred around the Welshman. He feels Aaron is the replacement for Santi Cazorla, so we don’t need a replacement. My view is that doesn’t work for me. He’s never come close to replacing the genius of Santi, and he’s had plenty of chances. We need a direct replacement for Santi, right now. He’s over as a first teamed. Aaron should only be seen as a squad player until he can be trusted to stay fit, stay in form, and contribute to more than 10 games a season.

We need to start getting ruthless with players who can’t offer 40 games a season to the club. That’s both Ramsey and unfortunately, fan fave, Santi Cazorla.

On the Lacazette front, I’ve come to accept that he is the level we’re at during these heady Europa League times. His stats looks comparable to our two most prolific players at the moment. Here’s some back of a fag packet math.

Lacazette

  • Starts 45
  • 37 goals
  • 4 assists
  • 115 shots
  • 63 shots on target
  • 32% conversion rate
  • Goal per minute – 109

Alexis

  • Starts 54
  • 33 goals
  • 17 assists
  • 182 shots
  • 76 on target
  • 41% shots on target
  • 18% conversion rate
  • Goals per minutes – 147.2

Giroud

  • Starts 27
  • 24 goals
  • 8 assists
  • 83 shots
  • 40 on target
  • 48% shots on target
  • 29% conversion rate
  • Goals per minutes – 101.25

The way I see it is at worst, Lacazette is a faster version of Giroud. That goes a long way with how we hope to play. What we lose is having a bully up top. We’d be the only top 7 club without a lead striker under 6ft tall. But look, if we play fast, aggressive soccerball and we learn how to press in every game like we did in the cup final, we’re upgrading.

The absolute most important thing for the club is to keep Alexis Sanchez and Mesut Ozil. Keep those, and the summer could be a massive upgrade.

I also don’t buy into Alexis asking for £400k a week. You have to look where that’s coming from. It feels like propaganda to soften the blow of selling him. Reality is, Alexis is very unlikely to move to China, because that league is pony to cartoon like proportions. He’d also not land that sort of cash anywhere else in Europe. We should go all out to sign him, £300k a week would be fine by me if he delivers like he did this season. I’d not pay Mesut that, but be real, no one else would and no other club is in for him. His punishment for switching off last year. He must have forgotten Bayern Munich and PSG also have access to Nickelback soundtracked YouTube scouting montages.

So this summer is panning out real nice, some steady changes… still the underlying feeling we’ve been here before, but hey, you might as well enjoy things while they’re dreams and hopes!

Plenty of time for me to dash your dreams in September.

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  1. Rambo Ramsey

    Starsport understands the initial transfer fee is £75m with 15m in add-ons, with Rooney, who is valued at £10m, travelling in the opposite direction on a free transfer.
    ——————————————–
    So basically 100 million pounds for Romelu fucking Lukaku.

    More than Ronaldo, Suarez, Bale, Neymar et al. You have to laugh.

    Angel di Maria- 65 million pounds- FLOP
    Paul Pogba- 90 million pounds- Yet to live up to his hype
    Romelu Lukakau- 100 million pounds- ?

  2. Wallace

    champagne charlie

    yes, with a robust midfield and defence a physically slight attack isn’t really an issue. certainly think Monaco would have been just as effective in the PL with last season’s side as they were in Ligue 1

  3. Alexanderhenry

    Man utd have turned into a basket case of a club since fergie left.

    They have the world’s most expensive squad and the spearhead of their attack is going to be…wait for it… Lukaku.

  4. qna

    I am happy that united are taking Lukaku. He is very good. But not the type of elite striker that united can afford. Its a bit like us taking Lacazette. Not what most fans think they are getting and then they get stuck with that player for 3 or 4 seasons.

    I am also happy that they have Mourinho for the same reason. I dont know if he has got “it” anymore. Certainly this Lukaku signing suggests to me he hasn’t.

  5. Wallace

    If you’re a Utd fan comparing your squad with that of Real Madrid’s you’re f*ckin’ weeping. Cost way more to assemble, probably pay out more in wages…and yet the discrepancy in talent is monstrous.

  6. Sanmi

    I can understand Mou’s reasoning. He’s seeing Drogba in Lukaku.
    Not sure Lukaku can deliver like Drogba though

  7. champagne charlie

    Wallace

    That’s what happens when you panic sign a manager who was hounded out of such a club…

    Maureens reject 11 makes his current United side look like Donacaster. Still, knows how to ‘stifle’ a game so he’s world class.

  8. TR7

    I feel there’s something fishy going on in between Mourinho and Raiola. Mourinho signs so many clients of Raiola for exorbitant fees and invariably all the deals have a major cut for the agent.

  9. Rambo Ramsey

    Man United signed a player they rejected as a kid for 90 million pounds
    Now they sign a player their manager rejected as a kid for 100 million pounds

    Comedy club, indeed

  10. Sanmi

    Mou was never really good at bargaining, he had his best buys at Chelsea 1.0, basically then only 2 clubs were willing to spend that much (Chelsea and Madrid) but now that about 10 clubs can compete reasonably, he just buys ridiculously. He did the same at Madrid and bought dunce.

  11. Alexanderhenry

    I see big problems for man utd going forward.

    Failing is one thing, but spending huge amounts , failing while at the same time have the largest debt in football is something else.

    What they should have done is gone for a younger, more dynamic manager and given him the chance to rebuild from the ground up.
    Instead, they’ve gone for the quick fix of mourihno plus unlimited cash.

    The result is dreadful football, a toxic coach and – I think- no major titles.

  12. TallestTiz

    £75 million instant pay
    Plus £15 million add ons
    Plus Rooney on a free transfer and £15 million pay off by Man Utd
    Plus wages of £250k for fuckin Lukaku
    plus £12 million agent fees

    Totalling over £180 million over a possible five year contract…lol

    U just gotta laugh at Past it Mourinho and Man Utd

  13. TallestTiz

    TR7 July 8, 2017 09:57:55 I feel there’s something fishy going on in between Mourinho and Raiola. Mourinho signs so many clients of Raiola for exorbitant fees and invariably all the deals have a major cut for the agent.

    Exactly Tr7

    I suspected that since the Pogba deal

  14. reality check

    SanmiJuly 8, 2017    07:37:23

    Re: aubermayang

    I have refrained from commenting on him. My view is , he’s not as good as people think, same with Higuain . They are good strikers not elite strikers.
    Lacazette is on their level, now that he will be in a team that creates loads you’d see.
    …/
    You wouldn’t say this if Laca signed for spurs.

    In any event. Have we all forgotton what happen last season already? Hahaha Arsenal fans..smh no wonder wenger doesn’t respect us.

  15. China

    I’m pretty glad utd are slinking so much on lukaku

    I don’t believe he’ll make them competitive and he burns a considerable hole in their pocket for the privelage of not even being as good as zlatan

    They need to take a long hard look at themselves as a club and ask themselves if what they’re doing makes any particular sense

  16. China

    The model to be followed these days surely should resemble juve

    They spend wisely, big where necessary and look for elite bargains as well

    Utd seem to believe that the more money they pay for someone the better that player must be. But these guys are only valued this highly because the clubs know utd are willing to pay anything for a player they like

    Awful negotiation skills. Worse than Arsenal’s even

  17. TR7

    I genuinely believed LVG was taking United on the right path. He had an array of young talents prospering under his tutelage and getting a lot of quality time. He had shored up their defense and I thought if given one more season he would bring some flair back in their attack as well. But United took a very hasty decision and sacked him. Their hypocritical fans who moaned about LVG’s ‘boring’ style have no qualms in tolerating Mourinho’s soporific and antiquated style. Anyway it’s fun to see them lose their way.

  18. N5

    Jesus Lukaku like Drogba because they are both big and black, Defoe is like Lacazette because they are both small and black. Do you lot make your comparisons based on looks alone. Neither player is like the other person they’ve been compared too!! Jesus, thank god Gibbs is just like Ashley Cole though a!!

  19. China

    If you’re gonna spend ridiculously big you better we’ll do it on super marketable players and take the galacticos approach

    As someone else said, they’re paying galacticos figures for lukaku, rather than the Neymar

  20. seg

    If you’re a Utd fan comparing your squad with that of Real Madrid’s you’re f*ckin’ weeping. Cost way more to assemble, probably pay out more in wages…and yet the discrepancy in talent is”
    I’m not sure this is fair. Do you have any idea how much Ronaldo alone would cost in today’s market? Tony kroos? Marcello?

  21. China

    I wouldnt say LVG was doing particularly well. He spent some of the highest transfer fees ever and didn’t even make top 4. Very few particular success stories with the players he brought in and several failures which considering the price tags and how poorly they played I think he did really badly personally

  22. Rambo Ramsey

    ‘Awful negotiation skills. ‘

    The problem is it affects every other club long term. 35 million for a fullback, 50 million for a central defender, 75 million for a striker…The two Manchester clubs in their money-throw-around approach set an awful precedent which will mean the PL will drift further and further from the rest of the footballing world.

    These players will just sit tight only moving clubs within the PL. Other than Real Madrid, which other non PL club can afford these ridiculous fees and extravagant wages?

  23. Jim Lahey

    “£75 million instant pay
    Plus £15 million add ons
    Plus Rooney on a free transfer and £15 million pay off by Man Utd
    Plus wages of £250k for fuckin Lukaku
    plus £12 million agent fees

    Totalling over £180 million over a possible five year contract…lol”

    This can’t be real?!?!? Is it?!

  24. Bamford10

    Agree that Lukaku is way over-priced and that he will underwhelm, and also agree that United are not being run well and haven’t been run well since Ferguson’s departure. As I said the other day, they are spending a lot of money and accumulating a lot of names, but they don’t seem to be thinking about how all of these names really fit together.

    Mourinho would have been better off playing with two up top — Martial and Rashford — than spending 100m on Lukaku.

    And I love the comment, btw, that Mourinho sees a Drogba in Lukaku; Mourinho is the one who sold Lukaku when he was at Chelsea! Yes he now has a proven goalscoring record, but he’s fundamentally the same player. And while he is a great athlete, he is no Didier Drogba. Doesn’t have the same hunger or fire, doesn’t have the same guile.

  25. Bamford10

    Lukaku and Pogba vacationed together in LA, btw. Rented a mansion in the hills, threw parties, took a lot of selfies. They made so much noise and the neighbors complained so much that eventually the police arrived and wrote Lukaku a citation. The Mirror and others are reporting that Lukaku was “arrested”, but he was not actually brought into jail.

  26. N5

    Lukaku scored one goal against Chelsea that was Drogba like, but comparisons between the two are so stupid. He’s more like a clumsy version of Adebayor or a fat Kanu. 😛

  27. Jim Lahey

    @N5 –

    You know what… Adebayor in his prime was an absolute beast! Although even at his best he was incredibly frustrating to watch! I remember in 2007 when he scored 30 goals he should have had 50 that year!

  28. N5

    I know Jim, before he turned into a lazy headcase, he was a brilliant forward. Like Anelka, he will go down as a realatively nothing man who could have been huge.

  29. Dissenter

    Bamford
    A Beverly Hills police citation is not an “arrest”. It is a lower than a traffic ticket and he can pay the fine from his home.
    TMZ is full of bollocks as usual. Why did they even mention jail in their flipping paparazzi rag article.

  30. Jim Lahey

    Some of those finishes from Kanu are out of this world! Two of my personally favourites are the second goal he scored Vs Boro (4th) and the second Vs Chelsea(16th). The way he sees the space and manipulates the ball into that space is so simplistic yet magical!

  31. Jim Lahey

    @Dissenter –

    “Why did they even mention jail in their flipping paparazzi rag article.”

    The same reason they do anything, get them hits!!

  32. N5

    Jim are you talking about the impossible angle goal when he scored the hatrick in a 12 minutes or whatever it is? I’m afraid I’m at work so I can’t see the links attached (Bloody Gov PC).

  33. Dissenter

    Lukaku will not underwhelm. He’s a 24 year old premier league tester goal scorer. He will score lots of goals for united working for a manager that he knows already.
    People need to wake up and stop being such you know what.
    The lad does not even need to make that adjustments. He’s moving down the road essentially; no need to move house, change night clubs or dentist.

  34. Jim Lahey

    @N5 –

    The one before that! Overmars crosses the ball in from the right and Kanu with one touch knocks it past two into free space and smashes it home! It was so simple, what I loved about the guy was he never panicked, always cool in front of goal. To think he was nothing more than a bench player for us back in the early 2000s!

  35. Dissenter

    The premier league is losing one of the unique marketing advantages that it had. The early kick-off gave it a massive advantage over the other top European leagues because it made all the live games accessible from virtually everywhere on the planet.
    This Friday night games are going to diminish the global audience in my opinion.
    How’s it playing out with the local fans who attend games?

  36. N5

    I know Jim it was criminal. He was such a quality player.

    Dissenter, Lukaku can score agreed but his figures are very padded with what people on here would love to term flat track bully goals!! playing for Manure in big games will highlight what kind of player he really is. He’s good, no question, but £75m good, not a chance.

  37. Samesong

    Lukaku will be a success at United if Ibra can wrack up the goals I think Lukaku will only get better surounded by better coaches and players.

  38. Dissenter

    One of the greatest footballing malpractice I’ve seen is that Chelsea didn’t put any clause in Lukaku’s contract.
    They should have had a sell-on to get some of the proceeds and some kind of first-rule out like Real did to Juventus for Morrata.
    Emenalo efffed up big time. The Lukaku transfer was a big club-small club transaction. Everton were bidding for a player that was too big for them, they shouldn’t have had that much leverage.

  39. Rambo Ramsey

    Jim & N5, can you imagine what some of those oldies would be worth in today’s market?

    Henry in his prime shits over every striker operating in the world right now, IMO.

    I mean, even at 30+ Henry didn’t look out of place in a very good Barca team. Can you imagine any strikers who’d be able to do that at that age now Lol

  40. Dissenter

    N5
    Wait till Lukaku plays in a team with some creativity like he will get with United. He will EASILY score 30+ goals a season in the league.
    United drew many games they should have won because they didn’t have a Lukaku.

    Bamford
    You would be waxing optimism if United signed had signed a lesser striker like your favorite, Benteke for 75 million.

  41. N5

    Jesus Rambo, it doesn’t bare thinking about how much DB10 & TH14 would be worth on todays market. I’d imagine about 3 Pogba’s and a packet of Lukakus.

  42. N5

    “Wait till Lukaku plays in a team with some creativity like he will get with United. He will EASILY score 30+ goals a season in the league.”

    Crikey Dissenter, you’re really backing this lad to be a 30+ scorer a season and easily at that! I’m going to bet he scores Giroud figures, no money just friendly but the winner gets the title king of Le Grove and the loser has to make out with Redtruth for 3 hours.

  43. Dissenter

    Anyone of color who’s ever been around Beverly Hills knows that their freaking police is one of the most racist around.
    Snotty neighbors who hate renters, wild college girlsand a heavily pigmented footballer with an accent throwing money around….in Beverly Hills = citation.

    Lukaku will learn not be staying around Beverly Hills again, he’s learned his lesson well.

  44. Rambo Ramsey

    ‘Wait till Lukaku plays in a team with some creativity like he will get with United. He will EASILY score 30+ goals a season in the league.’

    Yeah right, do have have any idea how short the list is of strikers who have scored over 30 goals in a PL season?

    Thierry Henry and Luis Suarez managed it just once and Aguero is yet to do it.

  45. Samesong

    N5

    I agree with Dissenter across all comps can see him scoring loads mate.
    Don’t rate him highly but flat track bullies got to score.

  46. Dissenter

    N5
    You’re forgetting that Drogba played for Mourhino.
    How can any gooner forget Didier Drogba, the tormentor of Arsenal :-)

  47. N5

    Dissenter, that was when Maureen played much nicer football though and Lukaku is no Drogba. Current formation at Manure is 6-4-0, how will anyone score 30+ goals in that. I can only assume Maureen bought him to help defend corners!

  48. TT

    “Crikey Dissenter, you’re really backing this lad to be a 30+ scorer a season and easily at that! I’m going to bet he scores Giroud figures, no money just friendly but the winner gets the title king of Le Grove and the loser has to make out with Redtruth for 3 hours.”

    lol I would run a mile from this bet if I were you Dissenter, unless you fancy making out with Redtruth for 3 hours :)

  49. Rambo Ramsey

    Drogba failed to hit 30 goals in a PL season too.

    But Dissenter thinks Lukaku will EASILY do what Henry,Suarez,Aguero and Drogba struggled to achieve. Lolz

  50. Dissenter

    Rambo
    You don’t think a premier league tested 24 year old striker will exceeed 30 goals regularly?
    Lukaku and Harry Kane will be play ping-pong in this league for a while.

  51. N5

    “Ok. Can’t see that, but can see him scoring a bucket load mate.”

    Really, in a park the bus team? even with someone as good as Zlatan up front the creativity at Manure was criminal. He’s got players like Maka playing crab football or backwards when they should be running at defenders and either taking or creating chances. His team is as boring as a GG team and win or not, they are never going to be high scoring. Lukaku will score no doubt, but I bet 20-25 across all comps.

  52. Dissenter

    I said in the league people, 30+ goals.
    Look at the goal scoring opportunities United wasted last season, put a goal scorer in that squad and mama Mia.
    Harry Kane and Lukaku are going to revise all the records for goal scoring.
    Both have been scoring goals in the league from their cots since they were in nappies.

  53. Bamford10

    Dissenter

    How many goals do you see Lukaku scoring next season, and where do you see United finishing?

    Is Lukaku the best striker in the PL? Is he worth £90m? Whom do you rate highest and b/t Gabriel Jesus, Harry Kane and Lukaku? Why?

    Cheers.

  54. TT

    What ever you are smoking Dissenter I want some. He will score goals alright but 30+ in the PM? not a snowballs hope in hell. Not in the current Utd team under the current manager.

  55. Bamford10

    Dissenter

    The LAPD has a terrible historical record — I will give you that — but are you suggesting that Lukaku received a citation for noise because of the racism of the LAPD or his Hollywood neighbors? Please explain.

  56. Dissenter

    …and Lukaku is worth every penny of the 75 million transfer.
    It’s a transaction betweeen two premier league clubs, one of which does not have to sell for a 24 year old player who has already scored 85 goals in the league.

    I laughed yesterday when I read the Arsenal solidarity posters here crapping about how Lacazette was the better value for money.
    They are two different transactions. The Lukaku deal carries less risk and has a betterchance of of reselling Lukaku on for some money when his 4-5 year contract is finished. Lacazette will be 31 year old when his 5-year contract is done (minimal resell value).

  57. qna

    “Would they buy Danny back for a bargain 50 million i wonder.”

    Just money back will be fine. Who would buy him for even £16m. The only thing that he has going from is that he is home grown and his relatively low wages relative to his teammates.

  58. Bamford10

    Dissenter

    OK, so 30+ goals in 38 PL games. Where do you see United finishing, and to what extent will Lukaku “lead” them to this finish?

    Also, if you wouldn’t mind speaking to my q’s re his valuation and his quality relative to Kane and Gabigol.

    We are all interested.

  59. N5

    “and Lukaku is worth every penny of the 75 million transfer.”

    I’m begining to think you might be his dad? If he’s worth this, I dread to think what Kane is worth. As RR said yesterday , this makes him the 3rd most expensive footballer, Lukaku as the 3rd most expensive footballer!!!!!! WHAT????

  60. Dissenter

    I don’t need to explain anything.
    I didn’t even say LA police.
    I said Beverly Hills police. They get away with paying out so much reparations and fines for bad behaviors because it is a wealthy jurisdiction. The have a the most appealing record in the country for pulling over people of color for hanging around the locale aka driving while black. Some of it is understandable from the perspective of super wealthy residents wanting to keep the appearance of “trouble” out.
    Bamford, did you ever lived in the LA area? I did for five years and I know what I’m talking about. I learned to develop a mental GPS of places not to drive through talk less of living.

    The way police (all US police) deal with certain people (cough cough) aren’t the same. That’s been documented over and over again. I know you’re not asking to ridicule. I don’t want to invite a typical legrove non-football digression.

  61. Dissenter

    Bamford,
    It’s hard to change the mindset of players to make them believe they can win the title. That’s the challenge Mourhino has at united. It’s more mental.
    United have a very strong squad now. They have to be in the running.
    No club will break away like Chelsea did this season. It will be a nail biter. I think we too will challenge (with or without Sanchez) because there will be seven teams smashingeveryone elsse)

  62. TR7

    Lukaku struggles against any half decent team and scores in patches against shitty teams. Rest assured Guardiola, Klopp, Pochettino, koeman, Conte and Wenger won’t sweat over making strategies to stop him when they play against United. He’s a master of scoring meaningless goals against weak opponents and pad up his numbers.

  63. N5

    “He’s a master of scoring meaningless goals against weak opponents and pad up his numbers.”

    Exactly what I said above Vicky, he’s a flat track bully and he will not score 30+ imo.

  64. qna

    The same people that dont understand why Lukaku is worth £75m are those that couldn’t understand why Everton paid £30m for him. Yet Everton just made a £45m profit. At the time that was one of the highest teansfer fees for a young striker going around. There is extremely low supply of really quality strikers in the world. Even fewer that clubs were willing to sell. Lukaku is probably just outside the top 10 in the world right now. But with literally none of them better than him available (at less than a considerable 9 figure fee) Everton were set to milk United.

    None of this is actually shocking when you consider how much the top EPL teams have to spend and how few players there are to spend them on.

  65. TR7

    N5

    He is unlikely to score 30+ league goals. He’s the kind of player who scores 5-6 goals against say the likes of Swansea, Bournemouth and Sunderland in 3 consecutive matches and then goes on a barren run for another 6-7 matches.

  66. Bamford10

    Dissenter

    Yeah, I’m well aware of all of that. But your implication was that Lukaku received the citation because of the racism of the police and/or his Hollywood. So again I’ll ask: is that what you’re suggesting? That he received a citation because of “racism”?

  67. Bamford10

    QNA

    How many goals do you see Lukaku scoring next year, and where do you see United finishing? To what extent will Lukaku “lead” them to this finish? Is he THAT kind of CF?

    Just curious.

  68. N5

    Dissenter, RE what Bamford is saying, you said this “Snotty neighbors who hate renters, wild college girlsand a heavily pigmented footballer with an accent throwing money around….in Beverly Hills = citation.
    Lukaku will learn not be staying around Beverly Hills again, he’s learned his lesson well” which is kind of suggesting that had he been a white player doing the same thing no more would have been said.

    That’s all Bamford is asking you to clarify.

  69. Bamford10

    QNA, Dissenter

    Forget about price in the market for a moment: let’s just talk about quality.

    If we were rating CFs on a 100-point scale and we were to say that a Lewandowski is a 96, what would you say Lukaku is?

  70. Marko

    The problem is it affects every other club long term. 35 million for a fullback, 50 million for a central defender, 75 million for a striker…The two Manchester clubs in their money-throw-around approach set an awful precedent which will mean the PL will drift further and further from the rest of the footballing world.

    Precedent was set long before that. United paying 30 million a pop back in the day for Rio and Rooney back when clubs were spending 10 million on great players was the start. Granted they got their money’s worth but still it set the ball rolling on overpricing players.

    But yeah 90 million on Pogba and 75+million on Lukaku and anything less than a league title or champions league challenge is a failure. Not just that but if they don’t start playing good football next season the special cunt will be only fit for the chop

  71. Marko

    Bam Gabigol is the lad at Inter not City. Jesus looks a damn good prospect but nowhere near worth mentioning alongside Kane just yet.

  72. N5

    The Chinese league is introducing the 100% tax law to prevent this mindless money spending, maybe this is something worth considering for all leagues.

  73. karim

    Dissenter

    I share your enthusiasm about Lemar btw.
    More than that, I’m clearly in love with him !

  74. qna

    N5. But all valuations are arbitrary and always have been. Its always supply v demand. The cost of failure is hundreds of millions so the money has to be spent and everybody knows it.

    Lacazette isnt worth £50m anymore than Lukaku is worth £75m. Lukaku was the only player that United could get without probably going £150m for the next level up player. I am sure there would have been some ridiculous fee that wuld have landed Lewndowski or Kane. But that wouldnt have been “worth it” either.

    I doubt that Lukaku will be any better or worse than we are expecting and if so its not a failure is it? But if Lacazette is another Gervinho, or even another Giroud then it will be a bigger waste of money than £75m on lLukaku.

  75. Dissenter

    Bamford
    You have to realize that this is not some academic argument for me. It ticks off the emotional aspects of memory.
    You’re reading the story bland while it’s processed with context for me.
    The fact that you keep writing “Hollywood police” shows how little you know about the local factors.
    Like I said I don’t want to create a non-football diversion because they often draw the worst of good people.
    Let’s leave it at that shall we.

    Benteke for golden boot this season?

  76. Carts

    Dissenter

    “Lukaku will not underwhelm. He’s a 24 year old premier league tester goal scorer. He will score lots of goals for united working for a manager that he knows already.
    People need to wake up and stop being such you know what.
    The lad does not even need to make that adjustments. He’s moving down the road essentially; no need to move house, change night clubs or dentist.”

    I agree with this!

    Also, someone asked why Chelsea didn’t insert a sell on clause…I think we can all agree that at the time, people were saying Everton were taken over a barrel and the overwhelming majority of people still didn’t consider Lukaku a top striker.

    2 seasons ago I said we should go all out for Lukaku. A lot of people preferred Morata, at the time, even then, his stats weren’t great.

    For £75m, I’d say Utd did good. But the additional £15m plus Rooney on a free is excessive!!

  77. N5

    “For £75m, I’d say Utd did good. But the additional £15m plus Rooney on a free is excessive!!”

    Did well, Superman does good 😉

  78. Dissenter

    Palm greens garden police are now saying that Serena entered the intersection legally and could not have been technically responsible for the accident that led to the death of another driver.
    I wonder why they jumped the gun initially before all evidence was reviewed.
    She should sue them civilly to teach them a lesson. They just set her up for all the hateful comments she’s gotten since the unfortunate incident.

  79. Marko

    I’m going to go out on a limb here but I wouldn’t be surprised if Lacazette scored just as much or more than Lukaku next season. Depending on who stays and goes of course but Sanchez and Lemar with Lacazette and I don’t see why he couldn’t score plenty of goals. Imo of course

  80. Dissenter

    Give me Lemar… and sell off anyone that wants out.
    Electric Sanchez will be static electricity next season :-)

  81. Dissenter

    The placard carrying fans and other dissenting voices without the fan base have helped to shift the way we are doing business.
    Have we changed properly…NO but there’s no doubt that there was a message sent.

    I say this because there are still some gooners on the blogosphere ridiculing last year’s protests.

  82. Rambo Ramsey

    How is it that Spuds get these committed players? They haven’t won squat for years, don’t even pay their players particularly well..so how is it that their better players don’t kick up a fuss? Someone like Harry Kane, you’d imagine, will have suitors who’d be ready to double his wages. And yet…

  83. Marc

    Rambo

    It’s quite simple – they’re being sold a project / plan. While they see progression they think it’s worth staying – I’m pretty sure you’ll see a different situation in 2 years time.

  84. Jim Lahey

    @Rambo –

    Are teams interested in their players? I see what you’re saying about Kane, but has a club shown interest in him?

    I would have thought United would have been an ideal spot for him, would love to have seen how Spurs would have handled a £75m + bid for Kane.

  85. Rambo Ramsey

    Marc, what with Wembley being their home ground next season, reckon we won’t even have to wait two years :)

    Jim, depends on the player more than the club doesn’t it? If they hear news of bid and start making noises about leaving, that’s it. Then it becomes a game of extracting as much money as possible for the club.

  86. Dissenter

    I think there’s a general feeling that the spuds chairman, Levi is a prick to deal with.
    Agents and other chairman aren’t exactly pleased to deal with him because he won’t be pushed around.
    That has to be there weren’t bids for Harry Kane.
    if Daniel Levy tells you it’s 200 million, you wont be coming back.
    Real learned that with Bale. He extorted them in that transaction.

  87. Cesc Appeal

    In this market Kane would go for £150 Million. Absolutely top rate in front of goal for a number of years, golden boot winner last season, still only 23 and he is English.

    I really think Kane is in a bracket where he is unbuyable unless he kicks to get out of Spurs which does not seem likely. He would be a ‘one and done’ purchase for any of the top clubs without major selling. Alli will go the same way if he has another great season next year.

  88. Dissenter

    Spuds will have home advantage in the domestic cup finals if they ever get there, at least for the next two seasons.

  89. Samesong

    Cesc

    I could even see Kane doing a Bale if the opportunity arose if he keeps up his goalscoring.

  90. Cesc Appeal

    Samesong

    I think Pedro was spot on after the NLD last year at their place, how the f**k is Kane so good?

    Really is amazing that a team like Spurs have arguably the best GK, best full backs, best CB and best ST in the league. What they lack is depth and arguably bottle which will only ever be achieved by keeping their current group together.

    Wembley and the stadium move is a massive test.

  91. Dissenter

    Smart move by Rooney to make peace with Everton fans just before quitting the game. At least he will be able to use the local grandma escort service in peace.

  92. PhD07

    Your Comment DissenterJuly 8, 2017 14:36:18
    The placard carrying fans and other dissenting voices without the fan base have helped to shift the way we are doing business.
    Have we changed properly…NO but there’s no doubt that there was a message sent.I say this because there are still some gooners on the blogosphere ridiculing last year’s protests.
    —————————–

    I don’t agree with this at all.

    It’s the very fact that we dropped out of top 4.Finishing in fifth place.First time in 20 years,that prompted the club to change tact.Simply to spend money getting back into the holy grail of CL(top 4).

    Certainly the fans applied a bit more pressure.But let’s not lose sight,any changes being made now are as a result of finishing fifth.Otherwise ,we will continue to see the same shenanigans,that we’ve been subjected to every season under Arsene’s watch.

  93. Rambo Ramsey

    Look at all the promising young strikers in Europe. Dybala, Kane, Mbappe..I don’t think Kane will ever be good enough for a Madrid or other European giants.

    With Lukaku-who is of same age group as Kane- setting up camp at Old Trafford for the foreseeable, where can you see Kane play realistically? Chelsea?

  94. Dissenter

    Rambo
    You’re a proper gooner.
    You’ll still be dissing Harry Kane even if he wins the Ballon d’Or . All you will ever see is the spuds in him.
    They’ve had some world class players in their fold recently; Modric, Bale, Berbatov etc. Add Kane to that list; the kid is the real deal.

  95. Rambo Ramsey

    Dissenter,

    Lukaku scoring 30+ league goals easily; Berbatov world class; Harry Kane and Ballon d’Or in the same sentence.

    Isn’t that more than enough gems for one day? 😉

    But seriously, if you watch Dybala and Mbappe- them are the players you can see rocking it at clubs like Madrid, they just have that extra bit of quality that you don’t see in Kane.

  96. Dissenter

    Jermaine Defoe will stand out amongst premier league players for me.
    The work he did with Bradley Lowery is inspiring. He managed to fill the little boy’s shortened life with some joy.
    I hear the kid passed away. RIP.

  97. China

    Kanu is the only Arsenal player I’ve ever seen who had better close control than both db10 and TH14.

    He wasn’t obviously anywhere near the levels as a player but his close control was absolutely stupidly sick

  98. Jim Lahey

    @China –

    “Kanu is the only Arsenal player I’ve ever seen who had better close control than both db10 and TH14.”

    I would say Cazorla and Nasri would be up there too.

  99. China

    Spurs have bottled all but one of their seasons running back decades so in all likelihood this purple patch they’ve achieved last season won’t hold up

    They say a leopard can’t change its spots!

    They have an excellent team and a really good manager but I’ll be surprised if that’s enough for them next season. This is Spurs after all

  100. Bamford10

    Dissenter, QNA

    I’m still interested to hear how highly you rate Lukaku simply in terms of quality. If we are using a 100-point scale and Lewandowski is a 96, what is Lukaku, IYO?

  101. Rambo Ramsey

    Deportivo manager Pepe Mel has admitted defeat in his pursuit for Arsenal’s Lucas Perez, with the Gunners refusing to lower their asking price.
    —————————————–

    Apparently we are demanding the same money we paid for him last season-17 million. What stupidity. No wonder we struggle to move out the dross.

  102. China

    Kanu had that freakish ability to run with the ball basically touching his foot

    No need to ever catch up with the ball or latch onto it, it was just there like glue on his instep

    Hypnotic stuff

  103. Bamford10

    Jim

    Glad someone else still appreciates Nasri. Complete prick, but I loved watching him play. One of his goals — forget who it was against — is probably one of my top five Arsenal goals.

  104. China

    Also the goal where Kanu sells the goal keeper just by dropping his shoulder and carries on in the original direction is one of my favourite ever goals

    It was so filthy he should’ve been fined for bringing the game into disrepute. As with bergkamp’s glorious Newcastle goal (best goal of all time for me) it’s often those ones which are appallingly simple which are ludicrously good

  105. salparadisenyc

    Rooney on a free as part of Lukaku deal, mental.
    Mourinho is a ruthless dude, when he’s done with a player its DONE. Club legend, no matter were going to give you away and back home at that.

    Mourinho signed a young Drogba, Lukaku plays in that mold of big powerful CF whom can be lethal at times. Surround him with right players who knows how good he can be. Good business where it matters, on the pitch. I’m not making any judgements on that side until window closes. Regardless of cost they have some serious talent.

  106. Samesong

    I bet you guys if I asked you your predictions on who will win the PL next season you will all have a long hard think about it?

  107. Jim Lahey

    @Bamford –

    Yeah I am secretly a big Nasri fan… total prick, but excellent footballer!

    “One of his goals — forget who it was against — is probably one of my top five Arsenal goals.”

    His one against Porto by any chance??

  108. Carts

    Lol at is literally trying to get a refund on Perez.

    Arsenal treating him like a classic 1960s chevy that’s on done an extra 100 miles on the clock.

    Someone tell that bungling idiot that in order to make a profit on a player, said player must’ve displayed an improvement from the previous year and ideally, player more games than the prior season

  109. qna

    “I’m still interested to hear how highly you rate Lukaku simply in terms of quality. If we are using a 100-point scale and Lewandowski is a 96, what is Lukaku, IYO?”

    I dont rate Lukaku that highly. Not at all. But he is a CF that will acore 20 goals in the PL. They are going to cost £75m. Thats all I have said. I am loving that United went for him because I dont think he is good enough to materially make much difference for where they currently are. They are not a team, just a group of individuals and I dont think Lukaku is an individual that could make the difference. An individual like Ronaldo or Lewendowski could have and United could probably afford one of them. But they didnt and I am thrilled.

  110. Dissenter

    Bamford,
    ‘I’m still interested to hear how highly you rate Lukaku simply in terms of quality. If we are using a 100-point scale and Lewandowski is a 96, what is Lukaku, IYO?”

    Lukaku is an 80-85 but there’s a big rider on a number for him.
    He’s only 24 years old and he’s scored 84 premier league goals already playing for an average club.
    He is still a rough diamond who needs the big stage and a good manager to shine. I wish he got Conte instead of Mourhino.
    Mourhino is just going to use him like a medieval bettering ram through the fortress gate.

  111. Dissenter

    Carts,
    “Arsenal treating him like a classic 1960s chevy that’s on done an extra 100 miles on the clock.
    Someone tell that bungling idiot that in order to make a profit on a player, said player must’ve displayed an improvement from the previous year and ideally, player more games than the prior season”

    We tend to take a sentimental value on transferring payers out.
    It’s more like we are fulfilling some kind of fiduciary duty to get the player out to an acceptable club for them even if it means we get less money.
    Also I don’t think we paid that much cash for Perez anyways, a lot of the quoted transfer fee were dependent on clauses.

  112. Champagne charlie

    Wallace

    Said it since day one mate, Lemar done the business left midfield for Monaco but he’s destined to be a CM. His pace makes people think winger, he’s not.

  113. karim

    Abdelhak Nouri, 20, has just had a heart attack during an Ajax pre-season game.
    He’s been rushed to hospital after a helicopter landed on the pitch.

  114. Rambo Ramsey

    Emanuele Giulianelli‏ @EmaGiulianelli
    Monaco have said they want €60m from Arsenal for Lemar. Player pushing for the move. Confirmed. #AFC

  115. Wallace

    Champagne charlie

    apparently last month Arsenal assumed the deal was pretty much done and thought the first bid would be accepted and that he’d be on the plane to Australia

  116. karim

    The guy has no shame, announced Vargas on loan, Benz on a 4-year deal and even confirmed Manolas had had a medical.

    And that’s just Arsenal !

  117. Cesc Appeal

    Pretty confident now Lemar will get done. Sky Sports have said he is now are main target and we know we have the funds to get it done. £150 Million budget before the summer starts and also we do not know as fans what Arsenal know about who they may be selling.

    However, if Lemar is being looked at as more of a CM then I have to say Xhaka was the complete wrong buy. Unless of course we are adopting a 4-3-3 or similar next season where we can have two CM’s with Xhaka.

    In a 3-4-2-1 or 4-2-3-1 where the pairing is Xhaka and Lemar I just cannot see it working, especially as Lemar will be learning on the job. Last summer either of Kante or Wanyama would have been better options if Wenger was planning on having a smaller, ball playing type CM who is more inclined to attack like Caz or now Lemar.

    Unless the plan is to gradually try Lemar as a CAM and let Ozil leave on a free next summer?

  118. Rambo Ramsey

    Cesc, Wenger sees a central midfield player in everyone!

    I thought Lemar was coming in to play a forward role and thus excited because of his exploits with Monaco. But if we’re bringing him without having a definitive plan of how he’ll be utilized, I’m not too sure about this signing anymore. This trial and experiment shit makes for stuff of nightmares.

    It’ll be like Oxlade Chamberlain ( Wenger will probably still tell you this guy’s future is in central midfield )all over again.

  119. TR7

    The upside of Wenger seeing Lemar as a CM is may be Sanchez is going to stay or if he leaves we could sign someone again to replace him. A bit surprised Wenger is not looking at Goretzka if he wants a new CM.

  120. Ces1ne

    Lemar as a CM while a player like Ruben Neves (representation aside) went to Wolves for around 15milli, very sensical thinking right there.
    How about playing Lemar where he belongs & not ATTEMPTING to convert a player to a diff position. Typical……..from wenger (if true) & echoed/championed by his 2 minions on here.