Agüero swap deal. Progressive or regressive?

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Major talking point amongst EXCITED Arsenal fans is that City and Arsenal are mulling over a straight swap deal with Alexis and Agüero flipping clubs.

Now, I don’t want to piss on chips. The Argentine is one of the best strikers the league has ever seen, he’s also a big game player. However, I can’t help but look at this as a regressive move.

Pep G is the future of football at all times, and he’s elected to move Kun on presumably because he refuses to press and play by the Spaniard’s rules. Alexis is one of the most compelling players in the world at the moment, he’s younger and he’s far less injury prone. I feel like swapping him out for a player of the past, just seems, well, I don’t know… a bit Arsene Wenger.

I mean, look, it’s better than Lacazette. At least we know he comes with goals, we know he’s the answer to world class through the middle, I just worry with Wenger’s aggressive approach to overplaying, he’ll be sidelined more than he’ll be present on the pitch. I see how a signing like this upgrades our edge in front of goal, I just don’t see how it plays into any sort of evolution of thinking from Arsenal.

A major problem the club is we buy players based on individual talent, rather than mapping talents to a bigger picture system. We did well against Chelsea because our front three pressed really well (albeit for one game) and choked Chelsea out. If you lose the tenacity of Alexis, and replace it with a guy who won’t play that game. How is that going to improve the system? Or is the plan to rebuild our way of playing to suit the skill set of a player who was relevant 3 years ago?

This looks a lot like us being the only club in the Europe employing a number 10 in the way we do with Ozil… it suits his game, and his stats… but it hasn’t contributed to the success of Arsenal outside the FA Cup.

Anyway, discuss… because it’s an interesting topic.

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212 Responses to “Agüero swap deal. Progressive or regressive?”

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  1. N5

    Samir, not really sure what point you’re making?

    Shall we never take a risk on a player then in case they turn out to be Ramsey?

  2. BacaryisGod

    It’s not worth discussing an Aguero-Alexis swap because it’s never going to happen. Arsenal are at 10-1 odds to sign him which translated into English means ‘not a chance’. He’s 1-25 to stay at Man City which is all you need to know. Pedro just turned Click Bait into Comment Bait (including me)

  3. Black Hei

    Jim

    Lol, I can see a wrestling match in the middle of a football match as Mahrez and Sanchez fights for the ball. Those 2 are ball hoggers.

    Sure is good value for money. Nobody should complain about ticket prices.

    Giroud will just do a modelling job while they are at it.

  4. Rhys Jaggar

    I have to say a more logical swap is Kyle Walker and Aguero, although that sounds definitely in the realms of fantasy, as I doubt Aguero would play second fiddle to Kane and I remain to be convinced Spurs would go 3-4-1-2 to accommodate them both.

    Which fantasy football outlet will run this as a ‘story’ do you think?

    Dreaming up swaps Arsenal-City:

    Sanchez for Hart + £40-60m?
    Sanchez for Toure + £20-40m?
    Walcott for Ihenacho?

    Doubt any would happen, but who knows: if you make up enough stories it makes it harder to know which you are serious about.

    Rule one in world cup year: ask how Wenger can serve the interests of the French national team.

  5. T

    Selling Alexis would probably be good for the club. Se all know that arsenes teams work best when they reach a good harmony. Players like Gallas nasri alexis and co tend to disrupt that.. Last season the team had many disjointed parts and the endresult was the worst in two decades.

    What im saying is tuhat what the club need above anything else is a midfielder who can pass and dictate the pace of the game. Last fall we were in championship winning form until cazorla got destroyed. After tuhat everything fell to peaces. Just goes to show the point above.

  6. Cesc Appeal

    Wing back fever gripping the EPL, Chelsea are about to pay £60 Million for Sandro and City are looking at shelling out £50 Million for Walker while they also are closing a deal for Alves and trying to get one done for Mendy.

    If Arsenal want Lemar, then they need to get it done now. Firstly, because if City do close the deal for Mendy that is another Monaco player gone and they will get increasingly reluctant to sell and will increasingly add premiums to those they do sell. Secondly, Spurs (allegedly) main target is Lemar, if they get £50 Million for Walker they will easily be able to stump up the cash Monaco will want. Obviously the player might have preferences, but we cannot sit around, I do not think Arsenal are that much more of a draw than Spurs now who have UCL a young exciting side and a talented manager.

    Lacazette and Lemar are doable deals for Arsenal, very doable.

  7. OleGunner

    Again the wonderdul A Cultured Left foot blog dropping knowledge this morning:

    “Reality Check:

    We’re not title challengers. It’s a brutal assessment for the optimist to read but it’s our current situation. Aaron Ramsey spoke of winning silverware as well as qualifying for the World Cup; both seem remote prospects at the moment.

    Where Arsenal seem hamstrung is removing players from the squad, the ones who genuinely have no future at the club. If you look at the players like Gibbs, Jenkinson and Debuchy, is there any merit in staying at the Emirates?

    As with last summer, wages are proving an obstacle. Arsenal might quote a fee of £15m for Kieran Gibbs but that’s not insurmountable – and a clear sign of an inflated market – yet Watford were scared off. The prospect of paying him £80k per week echoes Crystal Palace’s opinion of Carl Jenkinson wanting a weekly wage of £50k.

    There’s a reality check going on and the folly of Arsenal’s pay structure is truly exposed. The players are so wealthy that they can afford to wreck their careers for a final contract year at the club.

    Obviously they have calculated that staying on, getting a bigger signing on fee and lower wage from then on makes sense. However, I wouldn’t expect Gibbs or Jenkinson to feature in a side in the top half of the Premier League table if they follow that path and stay at Arsenal.”

  8. HighburyLegend

    “Lacazette and Lemar are doable deals for Arsenal, very doable.”
    “doable” for le great specialist in transfer windows ?? It’s a bet!!

  9. Carts

    “Chelsea will still have been paying these young guns out on loan all over Europe. We were losing out to them because they were offering these 15/16yr olds way more money, and we weren’t offering peanuts. They’ve had some big payoffs, no doubt, but it would be interesting to know how much they’ve been shelling out every year on these kids.”

    I think it’s immaterial what Chelsea were/are paying these youngsters as it’ll all be accounted for in their P&L accounts. Bigger question should be:

    what is their revenue to wage ratio?
    Is it bigger than ours?
    Is it the largest in the EPL?

    It’s not inconceivable to suggest that the likes of Baker, RLC, Traore, Ake, Christensen, Kennedy, Nathan, Hector and Pasalic are on between £10k-£20k. Meh.

  10. Rambo Ramsey

    ‘Google get a 2.1 billion slap for abusing their powers.’

    I just read about it and admit the complaints make no sense to me. Why are Google not allowed to show items from Amazon when its the most popular worldwide online shopping site?

    What the fuck does ‘fair advertising’ even mean?

    What effect would that make on shoppers? I mean, if I search for a shirt and Google shows me ads from say a funkymonkey.com doesn’t mean I’ll shop there. I’ll go to Amazon regardless.

  11. Marko

    Monaco have so far lost Bakayoko, Silva, Germain and look likely to lose Mendy, Lemar, Fabinho and Mbappe. They’re gonna be left with just Falcao at this stage

  12. N5

    Same and RR, stumped like you, it makes no sense to me. It seems they are in most trouble for favouring certain sites? so what? it’s their search engine, how can it be illegal for them to favour their prefered sites?

    2.1BN as well? what a joke of a fine.

  13. Carts

    RR & N5

    Was a bit miffed by that too. My guess is that due to their market share, cos lets be honest, no one uses Bing to search for shit, Google are expected to at least leave some kind of wriggle room for others to get a bit of air time.

    As as you both said, if spending habits supercede Google influence, then why oversaturate the interwebs with redirects to their preferred site?

  14. Carts

    “Monaco have so far lost Bakayoko, Silva, Germain and look likely to lose Mendy, Lemar, Fabinho and Mbappe. They’re gonna be left with just Falcao at this stage”

    Talk about depleted Uranium – at this stage, they won’t even have turf for their ground.

    Rest assured, though, Monaco will do their utmost to replace those departed, but I think they’re in for a massive task.

    Their coffer will no doubt swell but the rebuild is going to be exhaustive.

  15. N5

    “That tax rate though Ozil, go on you know you want to :)”

    Ohhhhhhhhh, think about the lovely boats you can show your woman, the southern cafes where you can find the sweetest croissants. So much better than stinky ol’ London and it’s …. ehm… poisoned river *upwards inflection.

    Off you pop then you bug eyed freak, I mean Mesut.

  16. Rambo Ramsey

    Carts, what is wrong if Google promote their own products or products from those companies who give Google the most money?

    That’s how the world works, well everywhere except EU apparently.

    ‘Antitrust’ rules LOL

    These Europeans should frankly focus on bettering their own services rather than whinging about bigger companies asserting their dominance. Embarrassing.

  17. Park Chu-young's left testicle

    Google get a 2.1 billion slap for abusing their powers.
    ________________

    Wenger should get a slap for abusing his power.

  18. Rambo Ramsey

    ‘Google has been fined 2.42bn euros ($2.7bn; £2.1bn) by the European Commission after it ruled the company had abused its power by promoting its own shopping comparison service at the top of search results.’

    ‘The commission said it was leaving it to Google to determine what alterations should be made to its Shopping service rather than specifying a remedy’ -(LOL)

    ‘”What Google has done is illegal under EU antitrust rules,” declared Margrethe Vestager, the European Union’s Competition Commissioner. “It has denied other companies the chance to compete on their merits and to innovate, and most importantly it has denied European consumers the benefits of competition, genuine choice and innovation.” -(Sounds a lot like Arsene Wenger giving his kwallity and ze mental strength speech.)

    Google, which makes most of its money from advertising, has argued that the European Commission’s theory ” just doesn’t fit the reality of how most people shop online.”

  19. Champagne charlie

    Seems like I’m the only one who doesn’t think keeping Alexis is “essential”. He’s a quality player but we’re far too “left-side heavy” for me in terms of talent.

    Start left of attack and it’s him, make your way to the centre and the talent drops of with Giroud/Welbz, move to the right side and it falls further with Ox/Theo.

    Long been of the opinion that we can lose Alexis and become better. Bring in Mahrez, Lemar, Lacazette and sell Alexis and we’re a much better attack across the border for me. Way more dangerous.

    I’d rather keep him and add… but if he wants out is chuck him and make a statement with the follow up signings.

  20. TR7

    Charlie

    Agreed. We can become a better side even if we lose Alexis provided we sign the right players. I will be reasonably happy with following line up :

    ————Cech————-
    Holding——-Koss——Monreal
    Ox/Bellerin——-Goretzka—–Wilshere—–Kolasinac
    Mahrez——–Lacazzete/Welbeck——-Lemar

    P.S : I will have Wilshere over Xhaka in the midfield and Monreal over Mustafi. I don’t rate either of them.

  21. Rambo Ramsey

    TR7, building your side around an injury sicknote who flunked at mid-table level Bournemouth?

    Seriously?

  22. TR7

    RR, who would you have there ? I don’t see us signing 2 midfielders. If Santi was fit he would walk in to our squad. I don’t know who else can fill in there and do a proper job.

  23. Rambo Ramsey

    TR7,

    Xhaka, Ramsey, Elneny, Coquelin: I’d have any one of them over Wilshere. Fitness matters too.

  24. TR7

    Rambo

    Fitness aside? I think a fit Wilshere works better as a b2b in 3-4-3. If we have 5 defenders, I don’t think we need Coq or Elneny although I appreciate what they bring to the table. That leaves Xhaka, Ramsey and Wilshere as contenders for one spot in midfield. If everyone was fit who would you have out of the 3 ?

  25. Rambo Ramsey

    Bamford, as a customer I’m concerned about getting the best quality for money, pal. There’s a reason some brands/ companies have become popular and trusted worldwide- the quality of their products and quality of their service.

    They have worked for it and earned it. Other lesser companies or startups should learn from them and focus on improving their levels, not engage in dirty politics to try and pull down the ones sitting above them.

  26. TOLI83

    A better side without Sanchez?

    Sell our best player (by a country mile) and become better with a lot of ‘what if’s’…

    Some of you live in a dream world.

  27. Samir

    RSPC
    These are Onyekuru’s own words:

    “The Premier League is my dream league, I would rather go to Arsenal.”

    We obviously weren’t in for him.

  28. R.S.P.C.Arsenal

    Samir

    Maybe

    Or maybe we offered him low wages

    Sign of things to come Everton stealing possible players

    Newcastle n stoke next

  29. GoonerDave

    A small business does not get much opportunity to establish and grow if Google carry on favouring certain sites. Amazon is certainly very popular, but that doesn’t mean they should have a monopoly. This would result in a huge lack of competition and higher prices for us.
    And shopping only scratches the surface. Google have been abusing their power hugely as regards news, opinion pieces and especially geo-politics.
    Unless you’re prepared to wade through pages of search results, Google decides what sites you visit – simply by arranging them on page 1 or 2 of your results.

  30. Rambo Ramsey

    ”A small business does not get much opportunity to establish and grow if Google carry on favouring certain sites.”

    Why should Google or anyone for that matter care about equality or any of this philosophical bs? Its business, pal, not a happy go hippy commune.

    ”Amazon is certainly very popular, but that doesn’t mean they should have a monopoly. ”

    Then it is up to other companies to raise their standards and change people opinion. Its frankly a lazy and misguided opinion that its impossible to compete against established companies. You only need to look at the smartphone industry to see examples of this.

    How did Facebook become so popular? How did Whatsapp leave all other messenger apps trailing?

    If you are gonna copy someone else’s successful methods/ideas, at-least improve on it. Customers are always a fair judge, give them something they like and you’ll win their support.

    ”Unless you’re prepared to wade through pages of search results, Google decides what sites you visit – simply by arranging them on page 1 or 2 of your results.”

    I believe its arranged on the basis of popularity/ traffic. Even if you believe there is a massive conspiracy brewing at Google, you can stop using their service you know. Nobody has you at gunpoint.

  31. Carts

    The only, unlikely, positive that could come out of Sanchez leaving is that we have a more balance teams, in the sense that we wouldn’t have any stand out performers like Sanchez.

    A progressive manager should look to work with what he has, and build on it. I think Arsenal have demonstrated what a lot of us have suspected – they aren’t able to accommodate top players anymore.

  32. Leedsgunner

    “The only, unlikely, positive that could come out of Sanchez leaving is that we have a more balance teams, in the sense that we wouldn’t have any stand out performers like Sanchez.”

    Huh? How can this be a positive? So we have an entire squad of lukewarm average players?

    Sanchez is crucial not only for the goals he brings to the team, but his attitude as well. He is a fighter. We need more like him, people who want to fight for the badge rather than just pick up their paycheck at the end of the week.

    If our club cannot handle stand out performers like Sanchez anymore it says more about Wenger’s mediocrity and his desire to be unquestioned more than anything.

    Wenger, Gazidas, Kronke and the Board are the problem NOT Sanchez.

  33. Marko

    Seems like I’m the only one who doesn’t think keeping Alexis is “essential”. He’s a quality player but we’re far too “left-side heavy” for me in terms of talent.

    Absolute nonsense. First off left side heavy? There’s literally him and Iwobi. Secondly he is our best player and is one of those truly rare widemen/attackers who score regularly like a top class striker and you want to maybe replace him with Mahrez or Lemar? We should be adding. Look you’re only saying this shite cause you know he’s off, it’s speaks volumes of the current set up at Arsenal and you’re looking to save face for the club.

    Also since when has this club over the past decade or so replaced a departing star with like for like. When have we ever adequately replaced an important player?Honestly. Replaced Henry with Eduardo. Van Persie with Giroud and Chamakh, Nasri with Arteta? Gilberto Silva with Denilson/Song. Lehmann with Almunia.

  34. Marko

    The only, unlikely, positive that could come out of Sanchez leaving is that we have a more balance teams, in the sense that we wouldn’t have any stand out performers like Sanchez.

    All due respect I completely disagree with this. We have no balance and getting rid of our only consistent player and goalscorer wouldn’t add balance it’d make us struggle even more so

  35. Micheal

    Sanchez:

    No proprerly managed club in the world would get rid of their best player unless he is replaced by someone equal or better.
    Simple.
    Oh, yeah, this is Arsenal circa 2017 – owned by a cunt who does not care about OUR club, run by a totally discredited patsy and managed by a man who has been in the job too long.

  36. augie

    Aguero relevant 3 years ago ?? You are having a laff pedro – imo the man is still the 3rd best player in world football. He oozes goals and pure class, and is the ONLY player that I would entertain swapping alexis for.
    The problem with some fans is that they are still living in a world where we keep sanchez at the club …………..lads it aint gonna happen. He is a winner and wants to go to a club where he is gonna compete for the big trophies, and we all know that wont be us – I don’t blame him and will wish him well on his departure, but in this club money does ALL the talking, and we can sit back and watch him go to whoever pays the biggest price regardless of which country they play in

  37. Champagne charlie

    Marko

    First of all, shut the fuck up with your “save face” bollocks. I don’t work for Arsenal, I’m simply stating my own view that not one of our players is irreplaceable.so wind your fucking neck in with that patter.

    Two… read and understand what’s written. Left side heavy in terms of talent, not players who play there idiot.

    Alexis – Giroud – Theo Vs. Lemar – Lacazette – Mahrez

    The Alexis trio offers the majority of ability on the left, the second option varies ability and talent which Luke make us a much better attack as a whole. Talk about agendas when you’re recalling replacements from 6/7 years ago…

    Arsenal have targeted a different profile of player the last two seasons, and with the fallout from this past season it’s clear we’re not messing about with the talents we’re targeting this summer. Best left back in the bundesliga, best goal scorer in France the past 3 seasons, best talent in world football. All noise of course until signed, but the outlook is much different to previous seasons and to deny that would be wilful ignorance. Not that I doubt your ability there.

    You keep acting like Alexis is fucking godly though and that we’re doomed without him. Pretty laughable stuff

  38. Carts

    Leeds & Marko

    What I was trying to convey is that with Sanchez, we literally have one source of real quality. What he does for the team is replicated by anyone whatsoever.

    In other words, thanks to Wenger’s juxtaposition of shit and world class, by losing Sanchez, we’d have far more parity, as you put it – lukewarm – cos Wenger wouldn’t need to contend with motivated winners who’ll call him out on his BS.

    I was suggesting that losing Sanchez was a good thing, or it bringing more balance. It’ll further compel us to mediocrity under an autocratic lune

  39. Marko

    Arsenal have targeted a different profile of player the last two seasons,

    Really? Also love how you’re only talking about last summer and this summer and not the previous one where we only targeted a goalkeeper like that was clever. Also who the fuck cares who we’re reportedly after the only thing that matters is who we actually sign. I mean technically speaking we’ve been “targeting” a top class players for years but literally sign fuck all of them. Honestly what makes you think this summer is any different to the summers we were linked to Suarez, Higuain, Dybala, Griezmann, Benzema whoever. My real question though is why do you feel like you have to constantly stick up for the club? Sanchez likely to leave? We’re better off without him. Arsenal not making signings? Yeah but what about the rumours of signings. Make no mistake though we will absolutely struggle next season without Sanchez. Without a doubt.

  40. Marko

    it’s clear we’re not messing about with the talents we’re targeting this summer.

    What is clear? Have we signed any of the players we’re linked to? So what’s clear then? I tell you who’s not messing around this summer City, Chelsea, United, Juve they’re not messing around. Liverpool and Everton. You know why? Cause they’re actually signing the players they’re linked to. Lacazette aside we’re quiet and even the Lacazette transfer is likely to drag on cause we’re fucking awful at signing players

  41. Marko

    You keep acting like Alexis is fucking godly though and that we’re doomed without him. Pretty laughable stuff

    We finished 5th with a player who scored 30 goals how do you think we’ll fair when we sell that 30 goal player? But yeah laughable stuff

  42. Leedsgunner

    Carts

    Chill bud I knew what you meant… you and I often sing from the same same songsheet as far as the Arsenal is concerned.

    I’m sorry if I came across as calling you out. 😉

  43. N5

    Leeds don’t backdown my friend let’s call him out together, carts you stink and you are fat and your hair is matted.

  44. Carts

    leeds

    No problem at all.

    Even my follow up response contained a couple of typos that probably created more confusion.

    “Isn’t” as opposed to “is” in the first paragraph.

    “wasn’t” as opposed to “was”, in the last paragraph.

  45. Thank you and goodnight

    Hahahahaha yeah we’ll sign megastars….theyre lining up to play for arsehole wonga. Jesus even West ham are preferred to us, losing out to them for that Belgium kiddie Henry. Hhahahahaha bless champagne Charlie still fighting wenger’s corner

  46. T

    TR7

    Willshere is dead weight in midfield. You cant play in that pos IF you cant defend and he has consistently shown that he has no insticts for it :/