Drab striker chase raises questions about our creativity in transfer market

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Guys and gals, sometimes you have to take a step back and say, wow, haven’t we come a long way?

It feels like 4 years ago, we were sitting here complaining that Arsenal were tight because they wouldn’t spend an extra £10m on Higuain.

Now we’re sitting here getting upset we’re about to drop £60m on Lacazette!

Let’s be real here, we’ve just upgraded on last season’s attempt at signing Jaimie Vardy. Sure, Lacazette will score goals. He’s deadly in front of goal, has great link up play and he’s fast. I’m just not sure he’s going to next level us. I think he’ll be a very solid signing, but he won’t do as much for us as a player like Auba, who has just turned 28 years old and is apparently worth £63m.

I don’t really understand the argument that we don’t play to Auba’s style. We play lightning counter-attacking football when we want to, which suits his pace. We play a very intricate game, which the man from Gabon can play. Also, of massive importance in our league, is the height. Auba comes in 3 inches taller than Lacazette and that’s important if you’re moving on Olivier Giroud.

My bigger concern is the lack of creativity we’ve shown in dealing with the lack of strikers and talent in general. Henry Onyekuru coming in would be an interesting signing if we put him right back out on loan. We should be hoovering up young talent from around Europe that’s ready to go right back out to a mid-level Premier League clubs. We should be taking more chances on slightly older U23 youth that comes with a more modern premium.

Tielemans might be a bad example, but he’s been turning heads all year, he’s probably going to Monaco. So why aren’t we in there hoovering him up and shipping him out on loan at a good club, then we can bring him back when it makes sense? Kind of the way Chelsea have been operating. Modernising what project youth was… bring in £15-20m elite kids, loan them out, grow their talent, then have a production line of the best players coming into the first team squad when they’re good enough.

I mean, you’d have to have a good enough scouting network to do that. There seems to be very little creativity there. We’re right there, every year, fighting for all the obvious players. While Monaco, Sevilla, Dortmund and a host of other clubs pick up the bright young things. I mean, at a very basic level, it’s sad to see Paredes moving to Zenit from Roma.

Right, that’s all I have time for. It’s been a good week for blogging. Check out some of the pieces that are important reads.

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  1. China

    I’ve been a huge critic of xhaka but I’m gonna go soft on him and say I’ll give him one more season to win me over

    He had a really poor first year but there were flashes of a player in there. His discipline is a huge issue and I don’t expect it’s going to improve, but since we already need to burn down half this squad and start again, I’m willing to give a final chance to him as he’s only been with us a year

    My big fat dustbin consists of:
    Welbeck
    Ox
    Feo
    Jack
    Jenkins
    Debuchi
    Ospina
    Chesney

    My almost dust bin list includes:
    Wally (shite but useful goals)
    Cech (past it)
    Ramsey (there’s something in there but it smells a bit funky)

    Bellerin isn’t dust bin or nearly dust bin but he’s ridiculously overvalued by Barca so he should be dragged straight down the farmers market as well

  2. Wallace

    China

    When he’s fit Welbeck usually starts. Whether that’s for Wenger, Alex Ferguson or for England. But no, you’re right, shocking player.

  3. David Smith

    Pretty scary article AH, this is not a club moving forward, and that starts at the top.
    Stan is at best lazy when it comes to Arsenal, hence Wengers job for life, seems he didn’t even consult other board members.
    The people who sold to Stan did not do,their due diligence , they just lined their pockets in most cases…..or sacrificed the clubs future to keep Dein out.
    The fact is, Arsenal are a horribly conservative club, Dein /Fiszman were a bit of an anomaly
    Stan will never sell to Usmanov, there is a chance he may sell to someone else…..but who knows who they may be or how good for the club?
    I suspect this situation could get a lot worse, with or without Wenger.

  4. Cesc Appeal

    Chelsea are allegedly about to pay £50-60 Million for Sandro from Juventus.

    Big, big money for a full back, or wing back rather. But then given the system Chelsea play the wing backs are absolutely integral so you can see the logic. Not as if they have any other areas they absolutely have to splash out massively on unless there are sales (Costa, Hazard etc).

    Wonder if Juventus will look at someone like Mendy now.

    Looks as if Bakayoko will finally be done this week, and Sandro soon after. That would leave just their Bonucci deal to get done and they will have hit their main targets as they were reported a few weeks back. Three good signings there, especially the two Juventus players (not wholly sold on Bakayoko yet). Likely to have Lukaku coming in as well. Four powerful signings, really beefing up their first eleven.

    Surely that means Matic to United in the next couple of weeks?

  5. Emiratesstroller

    There seems to be the usual ‘lazy’ journalism with the suggestion today in many
    national newspapers that Man City are ready to offer Aguero in exchange for
    Sanchez.

    Frankly if that offer was made I would jump and accept it. Aguero may not have the versatility of Sanchez, but he is a more clinical and reliable striker. Also I think that he is less of a maverick than his Chilean counterpart.

    There is six months age difference between the two. Both have the same valuation on transfermarkt AND Aguero scored more goals last season.

    Aguero may not work so hard around the pitch, but he is a class striker and I
    think that he would fit in well at Emirates, because he is less of a prima donna
    and less self centred than Sanchez.

    If he came to Arsenal on an exchange deal it would allow Arsenal to invest money on other positions such as on the wing or central midfield and also I
    suspect that Aguero’s financial demands will be cheaper than Sanchez.

    One other point I think that Giroud is much less likely to demand a transfer
    than he would if Lacazette arrives at Emirates.

  6. Marko

    It’s a bit strange though paying 60 million for a LWB when Alonso had a brilliant season scoring plenty of goals too. The opposite side with Moses you’d understand more. But unsurprisingly Chelsea aren’t standing still

  7. Marko

    There’s no way Aguero coming towards the twilight of his career his one last big move no way it’s Arsenal. He’ll have plenty of suitors. Besides how often do you actually see swap deals take place? Rarely and especially with top players

  8. Rambo Ramsey

    Emirates, get your facts right. Aguero did not score more goals than Sanchez last season. His assist rate is nowhere near Sanchez’s. He’s injury prone and at Arsenal that’s likely gonna get worse.

    Lol at your cheap shots at Sanchez’s attitude. There’s a reason Aguero started falling out of favor with Guardiola, he’s lazy.

  9. R.S.P.C.Arsenal

    Chambers doing we am getting good reviews at u21 tourno

    Saying all the correct things bout coaching at arsenal

    Got to be a main defender next season ?

    Bettter than Gabriela

  10. TR7

    If Lacazzete is our first choice striker next season, Ozil and Welbeck will compete for right wing position with Theo. Wenger has always preferred Welbeck to Theo whenever the former is available for selection and obviously Ozil is ahead of Theo in the pecking order. Ox or Bellerin will play RWB. Can’t see Theo get many games next season. Would be a great deal for all the parties concerned if he were sold for £25 M.

  11. Cesc Appeal

    I do think with us now playing three at the back, unless of course Wenger reverts which he well could, he will be looking at giving Chambers some time there. Can well imagine he is thinking about Holding and Chambers long term just as he had always wanted Ramsey and Wilshere to be the foundations of our midfield.

  12. Cesc Appeal

    If you sell Walcott for £25 Million (absolutely great deal for us) and then Perez for £10 Million, you are most of the way there for Lemar in all likelihood. Though if we do want him we need to get it done now.

    With Chelsea close to Bakayoko, United looking Fabinho, a host of sides talking to Mbappe, with each sale Monaco are going to be adding premiums to the prices.

    That is why City had the right idea, identify what you want off of this summers carcass club and swoop in and get yours early before the rest of the vultures descend and a fight ensues.

    Mbappe is a pipe dream, so just put £40-50 Million on the table for Lemar and walk away from the Monaco situation that is only going to get worse.

  13. Emiratesstroller

    Rambo Ramsey

    Actually my facts are correct!

    Aguero scored 33 goals last season in 45 games [3,503 mins]. EPL 20,CL5,FAC5
    and CL Qual. 3

    Sanchez scored 30 goals last season in 51 games [4,229 mins] EPL 24,CL3,FAC3.

    Where Sanchez has a better performance level is on assists.

    It is true that Aguero is perhaps more prone to injury. On the other hand you
    have to ask the question how often does Sanchez play injured when he should
    be rested?

  14. Jamie

    Walcott out for 25m would be terrific business for us. Give his 140k weekly salary straight to Alexis, who is worth every penny of Walcott’s wage as well as his own.

  15. Rambo Ramsey

    Walnut gets the most shit but I think he’s contributed the most among the dummy British bunch the club tied itself to. Wilshere is a broken mess, Ramsey blows hot and cold, Gibbs a non entity and Chamberlain still got big question marks over him. Its both sad and hilarious.

  16. Emiratesstroller

    Rambo Ramsey

    Sanchez has been demanding more than £250K pw according to reports.

    No-one can or should argue about Sanchez performance level. However, he is
    prone to sulks and tantrums and that can upset other players.

  17. Marko

    Stroller since you’re including goals in the qualifying round in Aguero’s stats why not add in international goals for both.

  18. Marko

    However, he is
    prone to sulks and tantrums and that can upset other players.

    Zero evidence of that. You’re trolling at this point. And at our best player too. We need more like Sanchez at this club

  19. Rambo Ramsey

    Nobody can deny Aguero is historically a better goalscorer than Sanchez but then one is a CF and another plays wide. Half a season as Striker and Sanchez outscored Aguero in the PL while maintaining his assist numbers. You have to wonder how many he’d have scored if he played CF through the entire season.

    Why did Wenger ditch it halfway?

  20. Emiratesstroller

    Marko/Rambo Ramsey

    So you do not want to include the CL Qualifier as competitive games?

    The fact is that Aguero played 6 fewer games and 726 minutes less to score 33 goals against Sanchez 30 goals.

    Considering that Sanchez is on his final year of contract I would be inclined to
    accept such an offer.

    It may be rare for clubs to do an exchange deal, but this would be one occasion
    that I would accept it. Both players have parity valuations on transfermarkt.

  21. Rambo Ramsey

    ‘Sanchez has been demanding more than £250K pw according to reports.’

    So too would Aguero. He’s probably already on such money!

  22. Bamford10

    Which front three is better and why?

    Alexis + Martial + Lemar
    or
    Alexis + Aubameyang + Lemar
    or
    Alexis + Lacazette + Lemar

    I now think I like Lacazette best, especially after Karim’s post yesterday about the consensus in France.

  23. Bamford10

    However, re the above, I will say again that I think Lacazette will only succeed if he has top quality to his right and to his left. Welbeck to his right will not be good enough.

  24. Bamford10

    Not to get the anti-Welbeck crowd riled up again, but which of the following second-choice front threes is better, IYO, and why?

    Alexis + Welbeck + Lemar
    or
    Alexis + Giroud + Lemar

    Oxlade + Welbeck + Walcott
    or
    Oxlade + Giroud + Walcott

    For me, the Welbeck iteration is better in both cases, regardless his deficiencies.

    (Note that this is no championing of Welbeck; I’m simply trying to point out his relative strengths as a back-up. And remember that unlike Giroud, Welbeck can also play wide.)

  25. Marko

    Right there’s absolutely not going to be a swap with Sanchez and Aguero even if YOU want it it isn’t likely Aguero would. And again between big clubs and big players swaps rarely happen. So this whole thing is pointless really. We’re in a time where we’ve got to try to convince up and coming players like Lemar or a significant level below like Mahrez to join but you think we can convince one of the best strikers about in his prime to consider us? No way never gonna happen. As of right now we’re a project club with questionable ambitions trying to convince the football world that last season was a blip

  26. Emiratesstroller

    No-one wants Sanchez to leave the club, but if he is refusing to sign a new contract then sanity has to prevail particularly when Arsenal have several other players reaching final year of contract.

    Arsenal need to reach a conclusion with Sanchez and Ozil as quickly as possible and not allow the situation to fester throughout summer and until close of
    transfer window.

    The only chance that Arsenal will get Sanchez to sign a new contract is if he
    feels that the club has a realistic chance of competing for Title in EPL.

    That seems highly unlikely on current evidence.

    There is one extra factor which has not been discussed on Le Grove, but is
    relevant. Arsenal have too many players reaching final year of contract and
    the AGENTS have golden opportunity to earn a FAT COMMISSION if sold
    particularly at discounted price.

  27. Bamford10

    Guardian reporting Crystal Palace is set to appoint Frank de Boer as new manager, and OptaJoe tells us de Boer is the only manager in Eredivisie history to win four consecutive titles, doing so in his first four seasons.

  28. Rambo Ramsey

    If we’re talking pure numbers, Lacazette has scored 91 goals to Aguero’s 87- the last four seasons combined in their respective leagues.

  29. Bamford10

    “Please don’t share utter r*t*rded crap like this.” – @Goonertren

    One supporter’s response to Gunnerblog sharing the “news” that there might be a Sanchez-Aguero swap deal in the works.

  30. Bamford10

    Worried Wenger thinks Lacazette alone would make for a good summer. Absolutely not. We have to keep Alexis, sign Lacazette, and then sign one additional quality attacking player (like Lemar) and one additional quality CM. At the very least.

  31. Marko

    Bam in both scenarios you have two widemen generally speaking with zero personality on the pitch and then you’ve got one striker who slows down everything and for the vast majority of his time on the pitch does feck all (unless he’s a sub it seems) and then the other striker can barely kick a ball straight. Sandro for 5 million odd would have been a better option than those two. For me

  32. Rambo Ramsey

    Oxlade + Welbeck + Walcott…? Sweet mother of God, you struggle to see 15 goals between the trio.

    So yeah, Oxlade + Giroud + Walcott for me.

  33. Emiratesstroller

    I do not see Arsenal spending NET £100 Million in this summer’s transfer market. For a start our income from season tickets has been reduced and we are
    not competing in CL.

    I think that the net spend is likely to be no more than £50-60 million so that if
    we are spending above that figure we will need to sell players for at least £40-50 million to reach the threshold.

    Most of our dross such as Jenkinson, Debuchy and Gibbs is likely to be sold at
    heavily discounted prices to shift them out of the club to reduce our grossly inflated payroll so I don’t see much revenue from these sales. If we get £10-12
    million from these three I think that we could be doing well.

  34. Tomtom

    Can’t believe people are falling for the same old transfer stories again.
    Sanchez will leave and be replaced by Lacazette and nothing else will happen.
    Wenger is still in charge so it won’t matter who we sign, the man is completely out of his depth

  35. N5

    This is really starting to fuck me off again. People were on here a month back saying not to worry that Wenger hadn’t made any moves yet as no club had so it’s all good. We’re now weeks in and nearly every club has made a move of some sort and we’re yet again sucking our thumb.

    This window has the Cech saga written all over it again!! Sign some players Wenger you zip bothering womble.

  36. Carts

    “It’s a bit strange though paying 60 million for a LWB when Alonso had a brilliant season scoring plenty of goals too. The opposite side with Moses you’d understand more. But unsurprisingly Chelsea aren’t standing still”

    Exactly my thoughts, too.

    Alonso had a very good season, and would’ve made my team of the year. He also scored 7 goals.

    £60m for Sandro is steep. Good business by Juve.

  37. Marko

    I think that the net spend is likely to be no more than £50-60 million

    First off that’s like one player then coming in this summer in the current climate and secondly I don’t see other clubs thinking holy shit we can only afford to bring in one player unless we sell one or two of our best players. Fact is this summer like last summer and the summer before that we could easily spend upwards of 100-150 million if we had a manager willing to take the chance. He isn’t presumably cause he knows that after a spend like that you’d expect results and it comes with legitimate pressure.

  38. Marko

    This is really starting to fuck me off again. People were on here a month back saying not to worry that Wenger hadn’t made any moves yet as no club had so it’s all good. We’re now weeks in and nearly every club has made a move of some sort and we’re yet again sucking our thumb.

    Charlie will be on later to ease your frustrations

  39. Marko

    I mean he’s not wrong Bam we’ve all already got such low expectations for Arsenal in summer transfer Windows under this manager. But he tries to not justify it but make sense of it by saying shit like unless we sell this player we won’t be able to sign other players. I mean we spent 95 million last summer without any significant signings leaving. How were we able to do that?

  40. Carts

    Pretty much July now and we haven’t moved any players on.

    Next season is going to be a continuation of last season.

    If I’m honest, I think we should get rid of all necessary players at asap.

    Wenger is going to think that our player should be sold for top prices, while completely forgetting the fact that said players aren’t exactly coming of the back of a good season.

    The likes of Walcott, Welbeck, Wilshere should be moved on at a slightly discounted price. Even if that mean by reducing their asking prices and giving them the difference to facilitate the move.

  41. Bamford10

    Marko

    Because Wenger has long had plenty of money to spend. Some 175m in cash reserves, with plenty of money coming in. And if he would sell some of his favorite children and pursue titles rather than his stupid father-figure role, we would have even more money to spend.

  42. mysticleaves

    Your Comment HereLemar doesnt strike me as someone that is confortable on the right side of a 3. He is not as cultured to cut in to his left from right. So if Lemar will come, its either for Sanchez or as a wing back and Sead is already here.

    Have to say Ozil picked up towards the end of last season and i am willing to fully see him in this 343. I wont be in a rush to sell him.

    However signing someone uptop is a must. Ideally i prefer Icardi, he is much more than just a poacher but if we get Lacazette, i am good too.

    And oh, Giroud over Welbeck allllll day

  43. Leedsgunner

    Maybe the reason why Sanchez wants to leave the club is because he sees the amount of fringe players at the club making an easy living while he does the hard slog.

    For what’s it’s worth I would be happy to see either Lacazette or PEA at the club… and if we did maybe Sanchez would change his mind.

    Ideally I think we have the means to sign both players we just need to get rid of the fringe players.

    Better to have 2 to 3 players who are exceptional rather than 6 or 7 that are ordinary.

    If we got rid of our fringe players how much could we raise (on a realistic valuations)?

    Ospina- £5m
    Szcesney-£15m

    Debuchy- £1m
    Gibbs – £10m
    Jenks – £5m
    Gabriel – £10m
    Mertesacker-£1m

    Wilshere- £25m
    Walcott- £25m
    Cazorla £1m

    Campbell-£7m
    Akpom-£3m
    Perez – £15m*
    (I like what I’ve seen of him but it seems like Wenger has lost faith in him so we need to sell him and get something for him and not let him go on a free like Park and Chamakh.)

    Total? £114m

    This is even before we’ve even touched our transfer budget… my point is by selling off our fringe players for realistic valuations we are able raise huge amounts of cash to supplement our transfer budget if required. We have the money to compete, but need to act decisively.

    (Millions would be freed from the wages budget when these fringe players are let go.)

    Plus for what it is worth, if Giroud could be used as a makeweight to land our top target it would be foolish not to — considering Olivier is over 30.

  44. TR7

    Wenger put a valuation of £15M on Gibbs. He is going to find it hard to move players if he doesn’t budge on his steep valuations of our average players who also demand huge wages from prospective buyers. Smart thing would be to cut our losses on Debuchy, Gibbs, Jenkinson, Jack Wilshere etc who would not have too many suitors anyway.

  45. TR7

    United buy Matic for £40M. Fantastic business by Chelsea. I am not a big fan of Bakayoko but he is still better than Matic and they didn’t have to spend a single penny extra.

  46. Rambo Ramsey

    Chelsea the reigning Champions making strong decisive moves in the market. Meanwhile Ivan and Wenger are clinking glasses in France celebrating their signing of a freebie on the back of our worst season in 20 years.

  47. Frank Mc

    “Chelsea the reigning Champions making strong decisive moves in the market. Meanwhile Ivan and Wenger are clinking glasses in France celebrating their signing of a freebie on the back of our worst season in 20 years.”

    RR you surely can’t be shocked by the lack activity, another groundhog season awaits?

  48. Rambo Ramsey

    Surprise surprise. Started with Mbappe and spent a couple weeks on an unattainable target, then shifted to Lacazette and made progress there only to dither and get head turned by one more-Martial.

    This is like 2014 all over again. Benzema to Higuain to Suarez and ended up signing none.

  49. Samir

    Leedsgunner
    I would happily let Ospina, Gibbs, Jenkinson, Debuchy and Campbell leave on free transfers.

    Wilshere – 15M, Perez 15M, Walcott 20M

  50. Cesc Appeal

    Always thought Matic would end up back with Mourinho, surprised it did not happen last summer.

    Herrera, Matic, Pogba is a pretty decent midfield.

    Still think Chelsea will go for another CM, though Bakayoko and Kante is a very athletic midfield. Do not know what it is, just not fully convinced by Bakayoko.

    If he comes in and does well though looks like a genius deal from genius, £5 Million profit basically.

  51. Leedsgunner

    Samir

    You’re expecting Wenger to be ruthless… which he won’t be. His priority is not in winning football matches but rather preserving his stay at Arsenal. In reality, Wenger doesn’t run a football team at Arsenal anymore.

    It’s a personality cult that plays football from time to time.

  52. Rambo Ramsey

    Only at Arsenal is selling players made such a big deal of. The moment Mustafi was bought should have spelled the end for Gabriel or Mertesaker. Bellerin’s rise to first eleven material should have meant the end of Debuchy. Kosclanic’s arrival should have accompanied by the sale of Gibbs.

    But nope, we stockpile them.

  53. Jim Lahey

    @Leeds –

    “It’s a personality cult that plays football from time to time.”

    Looking forward to the eventual Emirates Siege where heavy handed ATF agents battle it out with hardline Wenger devotees..

    Call him Arsene Koresh.

  54. Carts

    Matic is a boss; but Utd have fallen victim to their economical success, once again.

    £40m for a player who’s hit his ceiling and with next to no resale value is very steep.

    Evidently,this is Mourinho signing a player he personally likes. I’d have muscled in on Bakayoko or Fabinho BEFORE Matic.

    Then again, if they win the league then it would’ve all been worth it.

    Kudos Chelsea.

  55. Jim Lahey

    Can I ask what other “big” club’s fans have to sit around all summer worrying that their one superstar is about to leave the club?? Seems like we have been doing this for the past 20 years..

    We are on par with Everton and Southampton at this point.

  56. Carts

    “Herrera, Matic, Pogba is a pretty decent midfield”

    I think this will allow for Pogba to play a more advanced role. Herrera and Matic should be able to implement a strong pairing.

  57. Jim Lahey

    “I think this will allow for Pogba to play a more advanced role. Herrera and Matic should be able to implement a strong pairing.”

    Guys… you’re all missing the big picture here!!!

    Matic to United means we are free to bring in Michael Carrick!!! Let the good times roll!!

  58. Leedsgunner

    “But nope, we stockpile them.”

    Yep… and then Wenger has the cheek to complain about the lack of money… and how unfair it is other clubs spend money on players.

  59. Jim Lahey

    @Carts –

    “I was about to laugh, then it dawned on me that we could well make a £6m bid for him”

    £6m???! What sort of under evaluation is that???! With all that experience and all those trophies he has won, the guy must be £15m at least! Hell we could even throw Ox in to sweeten the deal! Arsene you genius, you’ve done it again!

  60. Jim Lahey

    @Frank –

    “All we need is Salomon Kalou and we’re set to go….”

    Kalou and M’Vila to come in on the last day of the window.. You’ve heard it here first I am very much ITK…

  61. Alexanderhenry

    David Smith

    The nightmare scenario for me is Usmanov finally giving up and selling his shares. I’m surprised he’s stuck with arsenal for this long.

    No investor will be interested in buying arsenal shares at such a high price in return for no say whatsoever at the club.

    Therefore, he will have to sell to Stan which will spell total disaster for arsenal football club.

  62. Jim Lahey

    @Alex –

    “The nightmare scenario for me is Usmanov finally giving up and selling his shares. I’m surprised he’s stuck with arsenal for this long.”

    Same, and it’s not like he will just disappear either, most likely he will but his considerable resources into a project like Everton and suddenly there is now a northern Chelsea and we slip behind yet another team.

  63. Cesc Appeal

    Is that an old man trait in Wenger, hoarding?

    Is it a hoarder thing, or is it a fear of players going off and becoming good and making him look bad damaging his ego (Gnabry may well have done us no favours there), is it emotion over logic.

    Our stockpiling of mediocre talent and refusal to ruthlessly cull and upgrade is just baffling, has been for years.

  64. Alexanderhenry

    Jim

    Sadly, it looks like kroenke is unassailable.

    The only thing that might move him is if fans stay away and the club starts losing money.

    Having said that, he owns the denver nuggets who get the lowest attendance figures in the NBA and he hasn’t sold that.

  65. Marko

    That title winning Chelsea midfield and defence is just getting better. We’re likely to continue with Ramsey and Xhaka and think Wilshere can add something

  66. Frank Mc

    Wenger’s intricate French scouting set up was looking at Yann M’vila when he was an embryo, that’s why Jim!

  67. TR7

    Clubs are trying to get players in before their pre-season starts. Arsene will wait until we have dropped 5 points in our first two games. The man never learns.

  68. Jim Lahey

    @CA –

    “Our stockpiling of mediocre talent and refusal to ruthlessly cull and upgrade is just baffling, has been for years.”

    I think what he does is create a cult like devotion in the base core of players at the club, he brings an average player in, gives him a huge contract he would not be given anywhere else and there is nothing expected from the player in return apart from complete loyalty. And they are loyal… Ramsey, Walcott, Wilshere, Gibbs, Coq… and many many more will go to bat and defend Wenger in the media as often as they can.

    Its Wenger covering his bases, a Leicester like coup is impossible at Arsenal, sure one or two may decent, but they are soon uprooted and replaced, look at any player that has ever spoken out in any way against Arsene, the player is phased out and eventually kicked to the curb, doesn’t matter how vital the player is.. Its Arsene over Arsenal at all times at the club.

  69. Marko

    Any chance you can equate some of the blame towards Wenger there Alex? I mean Stan can hardly be to blame for hoarding useless players and pretending they’re good enough at the expense of signing players who can do a job

  70. Rambo Ramsey

    Cesc, its definitely a feeble old man thing. Its been the case ever since Fabregas and Nasri burned him and forced their way out. I read in some paper a few days back news that Wenger has asked Perez to reconsider the decision to leave the club. Sums it up, don’t it? He couldn’t be arsed to actually give Perez game-time last season but still doesn’t want to let go of him.

  71. Marko

    I don’t believe it’s an old man thing but more a useless lack of ambition thing. I mean Fergie was pretty ruthless and he was old as fuck

  72. Cesc Appeal

    TR7

    Has been said for years on here but this ‘Arsenal are financially prudent’ bollocks is just that, total bollocks.

    As everyone was saying yesterday, from our grossly inflated wage bill, socialist wage structure, amateur transfers in buying and selling, average commercials etc we are a shower.

    But you factor into that our approach to the transfer market actually makes the least financial sense. We wait until premiums are absolutely spiked until everyone knows we are desperate and boxed into a corner, until selling clubs have little to no time to replace players and so add on even more of a premium and then we start frantically searching for talent to buy.

    Again, this is where a football man, a Dein, a DoF, whatever you want to call it comes into play, demanding a summer plan from the manager to go out and execute laying the ground work before the summer even begins.

    As an example, Wenger is strongly rumoured to want Lemar, Monaco have already seen Silva and Bakayoko go, Fabinho may also, as may Mendy, as many Mbappe. Get in there quickly because each sale will just add however much onto the next sale, so a Lemar that may have cost you £35-40 Million at the start of the window ends up costing you £60 Million.

    Jim

    It really is sickening the total power Wenger has at Arsenal. Completely unhealthy as well. That is why he will not allow a DoF because a football mind would take one look at the way the club is run and laugh his arse off.

    I mean where do you start as a DoF? The wage bill, the deadwood, the 20th Century coaching staff, actually getting a decent assistant manager, the scouting network, the youth set up? He would actually be the only fucker in the club earning his salary.

  73. Marko

    look at any player that has ever spoken out in any way against Arsene, the player is phased out and eventually kicked to the curb, doesn’t matter how vital the player is.. Its Arsene over Arsenal at all times at the club.

    Exactly why Lucas is leaving for being unhappy with life on the bench (you’d never get that from Walcott) and it’s likely why we’d be okay with letting Sanchez leave.

  74. Rambo Ramsey

    Once upon a time Arsenal wouldn’t hand lengthy contracts to superstars as they approached their thirties.

    The fuck happened to this club?!

  75. Cesc Appeal

    Rambo

    He is just incapable of making decisions it seems.

    He is also incredibly lazy, his management style is best summed up in the past few years as copying what is popular and then taking the route of less effort and resistance.

    4-1-MESS-1 because Germany deployed it so well in the World Cup, 4-2-3-1 because it became popular, 3-4-3 and 3-4-2-1 because Chelsea introduced it then Spurs modified it and they became the two best teams in the league. Tiny changes in the transfer window because what he left in May will be basically the same when he picks it back up in August requiring little thought or preparation.

    Constantly spouting ethereal intangible things like ‘mental strength’ and ‘confidence’ and ‘maturity’ because there is no barometer for them, there is no coaching for them and there is no blame to be apportioned when they fail.

    Wenger is running a bit of a con in a way, but hats off, £10 Million a year, unlimited power and half a fan base who would die for you when you are mediocre at your job. How can you not be impressed by that?

  76. OleGunner

    If a fire was lit under Wenger’s arse with his contract renewal, he wouldn’t be taking this inane slow sleepwalking approach to improving the squad.

    But as he has retained TOTAL control over his personal fiefdom, the likes of Lemar will not be coming here. And like you all said, he has his precious lambs in Ramsey, Wilshere, Jenkinson, Walcott, Gabriel etc who he can’t let go of.

  77. Cesc Appeal

    If the stories of Wenger asking Perez to stay are true that is just quite incredible. Even for Wenger.

  78. Alexanderhenry

    Marko

    Of course wenger is complicit.
    Who just gave him a new contract though?

    There is a fascinating interview wenger gave at the end of last season

    In it, he described clearly the financial restrictions he had to work under, ostensiblely because of the new stadium

    When asked if he would work like that again he said no. I suspect he regrets sticking with arsenal through austerity.

    The situation now is different. There is money available to him and he believes –
    I think wrongly- that he is the man to take arsenal forward

    Unfortunately the money we have now is too little too late, wenger himself is too old and the breakdown in his relationship with fans is damaging on and off the field.

    He should have walked.

    As for kroenke, any arsenal fan who believes that the club’s future is bright under his ownership should be sectioned.

  79. Leedsgunner

    Next time you here Ivan Gazidas pronounce Wenger as the man to take the club forward — remember that Wenger is making the same mistakes he did when he signed away Fabregas, Nasri and RvP.

    The only reason Gazidas thinks Wenger is taking the club forward is because all the powers that be at Arsenal are happily facing the world backwards.

  80. Marko

    Of course wenger is complicit.
    Who just gave him a new contract though?

    We’re not talking about that now Alex we all know Stan shouldn’t of giving him a new deal but now it’s up to Wenger to move on who he deems useless and to bring in signings. Stan doesn’t set out who we sign and the pace in which we go after targets or who gets new deals that’s on Wenger completely. And please no need to post up anything about austerity or anything like that we’ve had ample resources for about 5 or 6 seasons now and we still act like we’re going through the great depression (we are) and that’s mostly down to one man who has kind of been left behind

  81. Ishola70

    Marko:
    “Any chance you can equate some of the blame towards Wenger there Alex? I mean Stan can hardly be to blame for hoarding useless players and pretending they’re good enough at the expense of signing players who can do a job”

    He’ll most probably make one kind of critical post of Wenger in response to you though not very harsh and then continue to post 100 anti-Kroenke items in a row. That’s the usual trend with him.

    These sort of posters stick out like a sore thumb. Still wedded to Arsene Wenger. Everyone is to blame except Arsene Wenger. Kroenke is just the latest one for them to grasp onto. Not just AH either. You see others popping up here as well on quite a regular basis never talking about Wenger only Kroenke.

    And this is said of course in wanting a more hands on owner but these posters are so transparent in their motives.

    The ironic thing is these sort of people are enabling the status quo to go on and on. Their oh so dignified respect and in other cases delusion for Arsene Wenger allow the gravy train to continue down the track unrailed.

  82. Emiratesstroller

    I think some people need to get real. Wenger told you at end of last season that he would be only interested in bringing in two to three new players.

    Also we failed to qualify for CL and that means a significant drop in income when factored in with lower season ticket prices as well.

    Then we spent last season something like £90 million net with very little revenue from sales.

    We have a huge first team squad with still 32 on books even after release of
    Sanogo.

    The club are clearly struggling to offload dross. There are probably 10+ players available for departure, but probably not at prices we want for players. The alleged offers for Szczesny and Ospina tells you everything.

    We have still not managed to extend contracts for Sanchez and Ozil which are presumably a priority.

    So the idea that Arsenal are going to spend big this summer is going to depend on what transfer revenue we generate from sales.

    Frankly I doubt that Szczesny, Ospina, Jenkinson, Debuchy, Gibbs,Campbell and Wilshire will fetch collectively £40 million in transfer market.Inclusive of Sanogo that is 8 players to be offloaded at very least.

    I may be wrong, but I don’t recall anytime when Wenger has offloaded 8 players from his first team squad. You will probably see 5-6 go at most if you
    are lucky with perhaps some of the others going out on loan as is already case with Asano.

    So if anyone believes seriously that Wenger is going to spend this summer
    £100 million net they are being highly optimistic.

    Lacazette will cost around £50 million and any additional player will depend
    on sales.

  83. Rambo Ramsey

    Or perhaps this is all down to the old fool’s obstinacy to his principles.

    Maybe he feels its wrong to break contracts, maybe he thinks its unfair to ask or force players to leave the club before the contract expires? His utterances about related contractual matters certainly back this up.

    This could well be the reason why so many of our dross either rot in the reserves or are loaned out year after year until their contract with the club ends.

  84. Cesc Appeal

    ES is not that bad, sometimes I feel what he is stating as likely fact comes across as justificatory.

    Nowhere near as bad as the new breed of pro-Wenger that say ‘I want him gone’ then proceed to defend basically every single criticism leveled against him but they believe (stupidly) that there defence comes across as objective and reasonable because, of course, ‘I have already said I want him gone’.

    Just as with Wenger and Arsenal, easy to say something, but it is your continuing actions that show what you really think.

    And it is not a case of ‘well what is the point in endlessly moaning,’ because that has validity, it is endless, tired, non stop defence of a man that they claim they want gone. Which begs the question, why do you want him gone if you do not think is culpable of anything?

    And that is when you get down to it, ‘well he should go for harmonies sake, for the good of the fan base’ and Wenger becomes the martyr, not a merit based sacking, a martyrdom.

  85. Leedsgunner

    The amount of money a club spends is IMMATERIAL IF you have a manager that does not know what he is doing.

    Wenger spent close to £100m last summer… and we struggled into 5th.

    I find it laughable that a Board of supposed astute business people want to even him more money to make the same mistakes…

    Yeah right.

    The three biggest signings we could have this summer were this.

    1. Let Wenger Go.
    2. Renew Sanchez’s contract
    3. Renew’s Ozil contract.

    I would venture to guess that even without any personnel changes a top manager like Simeone would have been able to get more out of this club from day one.

    It would be interesting to see how much better this exact same group of players would do under a different manager.

  86. Carts

    Lahey

    FFS, mate dont!

    Wenger is probably salivating at the prospect of going after Carrick.

    Just to fuck him off, Mourinho would veto that, 100%

  87. Rambo Ramsey

    Emirates

    ‘ The club are clearly struggling to offload dross. There are probably 10+ players available for departure, but probably not at prices we want for players. The alleged offers for Szczesny and Ospina tells you everything. ‘

    If a player doesn’t feature in our plans for the future, what is more important is selling him. Price? Have to be satisfied with the best money offered. Its important to get your priority right here.

    Cause if you haggle over price and not sell him, you’ll then be forced to pay his salary for an entire season. You don’t even want his services so you don’t make much use of him. What happens is his value depreciates even further.

    Can give you countless examples where Arsenal have made this mistake.

  88. Micheal

    Leeds:
    The only reason Gazidas thinks Wenger is taking the club forward is because all the powers that be at Arsenal are happily facing the world backwards.
    ====================

    “The only reason Gazidis thinks Wenger is taking the club forward is…”
    because is he is pulling in £2,600,000 a year.

  89. Alexanderhenry

    Ishola.

    ‘Kroenke is just the latest one for them to grasp onto’

    He owns the club ishola. The buck stops with him.

    His job is simple:

    1) Provide as much money for the team as possible

    2) Recruit the best people to create and manage that team.

    He has done neither.

    You should read that angry of Islington article I posted earlier.

    Also have a look at how well his other teams are doing.

    Feeling confident for the future?

  90. OleGunner

    Kroenke is a cancer on the club but put a high quality competent coach in charge with the money we have available and we’d be better off.

    I’m sorry but that is undeniable.

  91. Rambo Ramsey

    Ishola and Marko, let Alexander write what he wants. If you find an issue in his complaints about quite possible the worst owner in the top tier football world, then I have news for you lads- you stick out like sore thumbs too.

  92. Ishola70

    AH we have been over this a million times before.

    The main point is that it is quite clear that many can’t and won’t bring themselves to say Wenger out let alone hold up a banner with the same wording inside the home stadium.

    Under such circumstances Kroenke and Gazidis will be taking advantage of that simple fact over and over again.

    If so many fans are incapable to unwed themselves of Arsene Wenger then the gravy train continues. Simple as that.

  93. Ishola70

    Rambo Ramsey:
    “let Alexander write what he wants. If you find an issue in his complaints about quite possible the worst owner in the top tier football world, then I have news for you lads- you stick out like sore thumbs too.”

    Ok so what would be our motives for occasionally questioning the narrative that Kroenke is the most evil man in the world and is the man that is the cause of all of Arsenal’s woes? And I stress occasionally because AH posts insistently about the same subject and same man over and over again on this blog and is not referred to.

    I see that you have bitten again as well lol.

  94. Jim Lahey

    Can we all come to an agreement that everything we post on here is mostly conjecture? None of us work at Arsenal, our opinions have been formed at best by second, third-hand information.

    What we contribute here regarding Arsenal is again, mostly opinion not fact.

  95. Marko

    Ishola and Marko, let Alexander write what he wants. If you find an issue in his complaints about quite possible the worst owner in the top tier football world, then I have news for you lads- you stick out like sore thumbs too.

    Rambo I’m not a a Kroenke apologist in the slightest fuck him too I just disagree with a certain type of fans opinion that it’s mostly on him I disagree with Alexander saying the buck stops with Kroenke. In every other scenario imaginable it’s the manager who the blame is laid on and in the case of Arsenal FC it’s totally justified. But he wants to spout Kroenke rhetoric. Fair enough

  96. Marko

    What we contribute here regarding Arsenal is again, mostly opinion not fact.

    No no it’s a fact Arsene Wenger is useless and is holding us back. Undeniable. Everything else I say is complete bollox though

  97. Rambo Ramsey

    Ishola, majority of posters here use majority of their posts taking a shit on Wenger. I don’t see anyone harass them and demand them to apportion blame to Kroenke, Gazidis etc. Do you?

    But when this blame game is turned, a few of you on the other side just can’t handle it can you? You get your knickers in a twist whenever someone talks anyone other than Wenger and you come out with your ‘apologist’ and ‘Will you blame Wenger too’ and other bollocks.

  98. Rambo Ramsey

    Look, all I’m saying is let him write what he wants. Its not as if he’s slaughtering an innocent lamb here, Kroenke deserves every bit of dung thrown at his wigged mug.

  99. Carts

    Lahey

    Shut your whore mouth, Lahey.

    I have it on good authority that Kroenke, Gazidis and Wenger are all cretinous cunts.

    That, my friend, is a fact!

  100. Jim Lahey

    @Carts –

    “I have it on good authority that Kroenke, Gazidis and Wenger are all cretinous cunts.”

    I mean there no arguing with that, I believe its been mathematically proven!

  101. Ishola70

    Yeah RR but there is no such thing as a Kroenke apologist. I don’t think one exists on earth.

    But we do know there are Wenger apologists around.

    And this doesn’t help in trying to see the club advance or which may be the case now regress.

    Anyhow boring and been done to death this.

  102. Rambo Ramsey

    In other, funnier news: ‘Yaya Sanogo set to resurrect football career with Toulouse after Arsenal release’

  103. Rambo Ramsey

    In more familiar, depressing news:

    ‘Wilshere will get new Arsenal deal as Wenger is a huge fan’ – Martin Keown

    What a fucking comedy club we’ve become

  104. Alexanderhenry

    Ishola

    Have you any idea how repetitive this blog is?

    ‘Wenger out ‘ ad nauseum.

    I think he’s passed it and should leave, but I do not think he’s the main issue.

    The main issue is a lot thornier and a lot more problematic. It’s an inconvenient truth and one that’s hard to face up to.

    If any club has poor ownership, it won’t be successful.

  105. Cesc Appeal

    If Wilshere is getting a new deal I could see Wenger maybe eyeing Spurs’ 3-4-2-1 and thinking that Ozil and Wilshere can be the equivalent of Eriksen and Alli in that two man attacking midfield.

    He has tried before to squeeze everyone in, with Lacazette as ST that would not completely shock me.

  106. Carts

    Cesc

    Good point with that 3-4-2-1.

    However, I think Wilshere severely lacks the athleticism to feature as part of an attacking two, let alone anywhere in that midfield.

    The boy is too slow, and fragile.

  107. Cesc Appeal

    Carts

    Do not get me wrong it is a terrible idea. But I think it may be one going round Wenger’s head based off of his actions in the past when he had tried to cram Ramsey and Wilshere into the starting line up.

    He may be looking at it thinking his pace can come from Bellerin and Kolasinac, and then Lacazette up front, so he can finally have his midfield of tippy tappy nonsense.

    It is the easy option as well, requires one transfer in and out, and we all know Wenger opts for the easy everyday of the week.

  108. Carts

    Cesc

    Anything is possible with that serial corner-cutting relic.

    Still laugh at 4-mess-1, cos Wenger will do anything illogical.

    Mustafi–Kos–Holding

    Kolasinac–Xhaka–Ramsey–Bellerin

    Wilshere–Ozil

    Lacazette

    Yeah, I see what you’re saying, but that line up screams top 4 scrap.

    Give that team to Simeone and he’d have them well drilled, AF!

  109. Dissenter

    Arsenal will be used a case study of what happens when you over-centralize power in the hands of dinosaur manager.
    It’s horrendous [feels me with so much misery] just watching this slow motion crash.
    Wenger isn’t just destroying his legacy, he’s now taking down the club bit by bit.

    I just read that he assured Perez of his place.
    He doesn’t want Giroud to leave. He pleading for Perez to stay.
    WTF is wrong with this man. Why won’t anyone stop him within the club?

  110. Dissenter

    It’s been reported that Bournemouth are set to break their club record to sign Nathan Ake from Chelsea for 20 million.. He did very well on loan.
    You have to wonder why they didn’t ever consider golden boy Jack Wilshere. He’s not good enough for Bournemouth yet he’s set to renew his contract [with an hefty wage increase] with Arsenal

    We are really shitty.