Wenger’s anti-progress structure preserved

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How are we this morning? The weather in London is shining! So good to be back.

England lost 3-2 to France. Yawn. Really don’t think it’s going to be a surprise that Gareth Southgate isn’t going to be a great manager. I’d be trying to play like Spurs, seen as a fair chunk of the squad has played under Poch. That’s just me.

Right, onto Arsenal.

The Standard ran with the story that Arsene Wenger has successfully managed to secure deals for his average backroom team. That means Gerry Peyton, Boro Whatdoeshedo, Tony Colbert and Steve Rowley all land new deals. There’s also talk of a sporting director coming from within.

So basically, after dropping out of the CL in the last 16 for the 7th time in a row… after dropping out the top 4 for the first time. The club is making no changes. There are no repurcussions for anyone. Wenger lands a new deal, his gang the same. Quite incredible, even by Wenger’s standards.

However, it powers into my point I made the other week. Wenger doesn’t care about winning. He talks a terrific game.

‘Every defeat hurts’

However, it’s clear that winning is secondary to sustaining his empire. A true winner, who has to be accountable, would be ripping out his backroom team and at least attempting to plug knowledge and skill gaps. It’s literally going to be 14 years since our last league win. He still has the same staff, the same training methods and the same iron grip on transfers.

If he was serious about winning, and he watched as much football as he claims. He’d be making drastic changes. He has no desire to win, just a desire to continue.

However, what is clear about this, is there are no stipulations in the new deal. He’s not going get fired if he has another bad season. It’s just business as usual. The club has caved to a man so dominant, he’s actually bigger than a club. It’s quite gross. It’ll also send a message to the players of Europe that Arsenal are not longer serious about winning.

Lemar, Forsberg, M’Bappe and Lacazette on the radar? Who are we kidding.

This summer is going to be an exercise in tying failing players to longer deals. We’ll see Giroud hang on. We’ll make ok changes, because proper players won’t come to us. We’ll be in an even worse position next season, because we won’t have one-man-wrecking-ball Alexis Sanchez to help us. We’ll also struggle with Europa League duties on Thursdays.

The Gazidis Q&A will be interesting. How is he going to spin his ‘catalyst for change’ line? Because let’s be real here. If everything is the same bar three players, you’ve changed nothing.

Right, that’s me done.

HAVE A GOOD ONE! x

 

268 Responses to “Wenger’s anti-progress structure preserved”

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  1. champagne charlie

    Marko

    Do tell me what manager you hold up in football that has a great eye for talent.

    The fact you reel off names we didn’t get or prop up shit buys only serves to expose you as someone that selectively debates something. Classically dishonest, its the whole apple or nothing, not the part you want to talk about you fucktard. For every Mong you mention there’s the Bellerin, Koscielny, Fabregas, Holding, Hleb, Eduardo types that come out of nowhere.

  2. champagne charlie

    “For a guy who’s not an apologist you sure do make a lot of excuses”

    For a guy who claims I make so many excuses, you’ve yet to provide an example of one….

  3. Kwame

    It’s business s usual at this time of the year. Nothing has and nothing will change. Somehow this bodes well for us the fans. If we continue with the protests Mr Wenger should be out by December. Wenger must go!

  4. Marko

    The fact you reel off names we didn’t get or prop up shit buys only serves to expose you as someone that selectively debates something. Classically dishonest,

    Right but talking about the shit signings and missed out yet attainable names is way more evident than some of the decent signings he’s made over the years when you take into account how shit we are right now and how long it’s been since we challenged for a league title.

    Also Holding is hardly a success right but I’d argue back with 16 million Chambers. And Eduardo well I’d fire back with Chamakh. Fact is there’s so much more evidence to suggest that he doesn’t have a great eye for talent OR that he purposely doesn’t address squad issues

  5. TR7

    CC

    I think you are over emphasizing Costa’s statistics. For me he impacts most games and unsettles opposition with his pace and dribbling. I for one would not be too perturbed by his lack of goals/assists. Theo has good numbers overall but we all know how garbage he is. Anyway let’s agree to disagree, you have a different yardstick to judge a wide player than me – fair enough. For me among the attainable targets Costa would have been near the top of the pile.

  6. champagne charlie

    “Eh everything you write”

    So you really don’t have a Scooby what an excuse even is? Hilarious.

    Who was the manager you named as having a great eye for talent? By the sounds of things you seem to think someone with a great eye for talent should be unearthing gems on a seasonal basis or more frequently than 50% of the time. You genuinely haven’t a clue about football do you? Would love to know how you became a fan and how you follow the game. Pretty sure the words Sony, and Playstation are huge contributors.

  7. champagne charlie

    Tr7

    I don’t think I’m being to heavy on his stats, his output is awful mate and your idea he creates moments or impacts games isn’t being denied – but it’s difficult to measure. I get opinions differ, but you’ve not provided any telling contribution as to why he should be so coveted.

    Fine if you like him, but don’t take that view and elevate it with no reasoning. Costa hasn’t cut it in a tough Bundesliga I’m afraid, so I’m not sad we haven’t tried to get him.

    Also, I did ask why Bayern were selling him to which you didn’t reply….

  8. Marko

    I think you are over emphasizing Costa’s statistics. For me he impacts most games and unsettles opposition with his pace and dribbling. I for one would not be too perturbed by his lack of goals/assists.

    He did just say Hleb was an example of Wenger having a great eye for talent while Alexander as much as I liked him had questionable stats

  9. TR7

    CC

    I gave you 3 reasons why we should have coveted him. If you’re not willing to accept those arguments, I can’t help it.

    Costa saw his game time reduced at Bayern post his injury and voiced his dissatisfaction in public. Not the first time in the history of football that a player loses his rhythm a little bit due to an injury. Bayern have very high standards. Besides Coman is doing well. Kind of logical to get rid of a dissatisfied player when you have someone ready to fill the void. Sanchez was offloaded by Barca,Mesut by Real Madrid , so what ? Bayern,Barca and Real cast offs are often better than our first choice players.

  10. Ces1ne

    What kind of simpleton mind dreamt up that oh so clever “Le Grovellers” phrase & thought, “yup, that’s THE one. I’ve got them now!!!!”……????

    Besides (as many others have pointed out) it not making ANY sense with the point you’re trying to imply…….u VERY easily could have used a more apt term, which also fits better as well such as “Le Groan” or “Le Groaners”.
    See…….simple/easy & makes more sense to the blog name & the (pathetic) point you’re desperately trying to make……fckin wenger minions, can’t even come up with clever insults due to being warped in the head so much by their glorious leader.

  11. Ces1ne

    Lol, Hleb…..always remember him being praised as “assisting the assister”.
    Never forget that he had a worse/weaker shot than fckin Chamakh tho.

  12. Marko

    Who was the manager you named as having a great eye for talent? By the sounds of things you seem to think someone with a great eye for talent should be unearthing gems on a seasonal basis or more frequently than 50% of the time. You genuinely haven’t a clue about football do you? Would love to know how you became a fan and how you follow the game. Pretty sure the words Sony, and Playstation are huge contributors.

    All this Charlie is you making an excuse for how abject we are in transfer windows. I don’t need to mention other managers cause it’s irrelevant cause we’re stuck with ours. Instead just look at a few clubs in Europe and ask yourself do they legitimately challenge for honours in their respective country and then assume they or their DOF who is in charge of signings has a better eye for talent than Arsene Wenger. Explain to me how he can have a great eye for talent and we still need a DM or a striker? Have for years and yet never addressed it. Money shouldn’t be the factor cause if he was so good at spotting talent money wouldn’t be the issue

  13. champagne charlie

    TR7

    Alexis and ozil weren’t cast aside for failure to produce, they were cast aside as bargaining tools for further acquisitions. Not the same whatsoever.

    No you didn’t give reasons for him, you stated he plays as a winger and is better than what we have – an entirely different argument to whether he’s better than Lacazette for Arsenal.

    In both seasons he notched 4 goals in the Bundesliga, he simply isn’t what Arsenal need and thats why we haven’t entertained getting him.

    Marko
    Another dishonest attempt from yourself. Give the context a go for a change, not knocking Costa I’m knocking him compared to options like Lacazette. Others can spot the difference.

    Still waiting that manager with a greta eye for talent and a list of excuses I apparently provide. Thought you’d have that one done ages ago with how often you bark on about it…

  14. Marko

    Also, I did ask why Bayern were selling him to which you didn’t reply….

    Or you could ask why Juventus are trying to sign him. Why Barcelona and Chelsea have reported interest in him

  15. champagne charlie

    Marko

    “Explain to me how he can have a great eye for talent and we still need a DM or a striker?”

    Because he hasn’t bought one. A criticism I literally flicking stated of Wenger on the first page of this blog:

    champagne charlieJune 14, 2017 19:49:29
    “his transfer record matches up to anyones, its his LACK of signings that is the bigger issue.”

    Engaging with you is utterly pointless, you don’t listen to whats said and you go off on tangents because you’re not smart enough to engage a topic broadly. You’re so dishonest its pathetic, I actually can’t be bothered with this anymore. Refusing to answer anything aimed at you then firing back with questions even when they’ve been answered, what a fucking lettuce.

  16. Marko

    he simply isn’t what Arsenal need and thats why we haven’t entertained getting him.

    Even players that are needed Arsenal generally don’t entertain getting them in

  17. R.S.P.C.Arsenal

    Lacerzerte is not the answer ….

    Over priced , over weight an gonna be over here soon ….. whaaay joy.

    Mid table

    I ain’t looked at fixtures , what the point ..

    Clubs dead to me till that fraud cunt goes

  18. Marko

    Give the context a go for a change, not knocking Costa I’m knocking him compared to options like Lacazette. Others can spot the difference.

    You obviously can’t. Originally TR7 was talking about his signing as a kind of replacement for Alexis or the fact that we need another attacker/winger no one was comparing him to a STRIKER like Lacazette except you.

  19. champagne charlie

    TR7June 14, 2017 19:08:05
    Lacazzete over Douglas Costa?? That’s stretching it too far Charlie. Lacazzete will never get to play for clubs like Bayern and Juventus.

    Yea……..

    Or not Marko you moron.

  20. TR7

    CC, Yes, if someone is vastly better than what we have that’s strong enough a reason to pursue him. We have had Welbeck, Theo, Ramsey, Joel Campbell etc. played on wings for years , so I wouldn’t turn my nose up on Costa .

    Lacazzete has been angling for a move for at least 2 years now. Wenger never showed any interest in him. Nor has there ever been any strong clamor from Arsenal fans to sign Lacazzete up. So, Lacazzete is not any hotshot striker that will take us to another level. Better than Giroud and Welbeck that is all. Exactly the same way Costa is better than the Theos and Joels of the world.

  21. Marko

    TR7June 14, 2017 19:08:05
    Lacazzete over Douglas Costa?? That’s stretching it too far Charlie. Lacazzete will never get to play for clubs like Bayern and Juventus.–Yea……..Or not Marko you moron.

    Yeah I believe you started the comparison and he was just replying to it. Thick cunt

  22. champagne charlie

    TR7

    Clamouring for a player thats better than what you have isn’t reason to do so when there’s better options available. That’s like saying you’d sign Vardy over Aubameyang because Vardy is better than what we have currently.

    Also, you must’ve been asleep last summer when everyone and their dog thought we should’ve bought Lacazette. Look, we don’t agree its not a big deal.

  23. champagne charlie

    hampagne charlieJune 14, 2017 19:02:55
    Douglas Costa scored 8 goals and made 12 assists in the Bundesliga the past TWO seasons combined. Just for those currently sock in hand when thinking about him. He’s a dangerous player but his end product is fucking awful. It’s almost like he’s being sold by Bayern for not being up to snuff…Give me Lacazette/Mbappe/Lemar over him every day of the week. Oh wait, who are we after?

    TR7June 14, 2017 19:08:05
    Lacazzete over Douglas Costa?? That’s stretching it too far Charlie. Lacazzete will never get to play for clubs like Bayern and Juventus.

    Literally back to back comments and TR7’s first mention of Costa you absolute tit. “Thick cunt” lol That you are…

  24. R.S.P.C.Arsenal

    This time two weeks ago the club was spinning about big stars …

    Now reality kicks in, club treating us like we have forgotten the shambles of last year ,..

    Now they are just content in signing two bob stars …

    Club stinks an the main stinker is wenger

    Pedro says that he had rewarded his hangers on jobs for the boys ..

    Club gets what the club deserves fuck all
    #hatearsenalnow

  25. TR7

    Yeah. I already said let’s agree to disagree. Last season Wenger was trying to sign Vardy and even that didn’t materialize. So you have to look at calls for signing Lacazzete in that context.

  26. R.S.P.C.Arsenal

    We will prob be linked with the geezer at Swansea soon, Lorenzo ?

    Lazy journos getting bored with the club

  27. champagne charlie

    TR7

    Having watched Lacazette this season its an even bigger misgiving that we didn’t follow through with him last summer and got scared off by his price tag.

  28. PieAFC

    No wonder we are a laughing stock to supporters of other teams.

    It’s not even about the club anymore.

    It’s all about Wenger. It actually has stooped so low. He just happens to be the face of the collapse.

    Next season as predicted by so many on this board will be worse and it will only get worse.

    We’re riding into mid table mediocrity….. with the odd FA cup win.

    Chapman, Mee would be turning.

  29. Joe

    champagne charlieJune 14, 2017 19:49:29
    “his transfer record matches up to anyones, its his LACK of signings that is the bigger issue.”

    Isn’t making signings part of how you judge someone’s transfer record. Or should we just go by wenger’s almost signed list.

    So lack of signings makes his record terrible in the transfer market ESP if you go by his almost signed bollocks

  30. Joe

    lyon chairman just said he wants PSG to sign lacazzette as he wants him
    And other French talent to stay in France

  31. Cesc Appeal

    Joe

    The Lyon chairman supposedly has a reputation for trying to eek out as much money in transfer dealings as possible. It does not seem there is much high level interest in Lacazette, therefore he is likely just trying to fabricate interest as if implying PSG have made contact with him to try and speed Arsenal along into accepting his demands.

    Underwhelmed with Lacazette really given the options out there, I will take him for sure over going yet again with our usual options, but would not be my first pick, or second, or third.

  32. Joe

    Lacezzette does not get us into wenger’s coveted top 4! OR make up the 18 points we were behind Chelsea. Funny how ST deadline came and went , its gone from mbappe to lacaZette and in a few weeks it’ll be Defoe

  33. Marko

    champagne charlieJune 14, 2017 19:49:29
    “his transfer record matches up to anyones, its his LACK of signings that is the bigger issue.”

    So how can he have a great eye for talent but not see that we need a DM and have needed one for years. His transfer record matches up to anyones you say are you fucking for real? He’s shite god awful in the transfer market. We’re continually ill prepared and short on quality every single season

  34. Joe

    Eye for talent

    Not signing Alonso because of the talent of Denilson

    Gervhino over hazard

    Chasing chamack for 2 years

    Stealing park from Spurs.

    Selling gnabry

    Not getting griezmann when offered for vela

    The list is bloody endless

  35. Marko

    Isn’t making signings part of how you judge someone’s transfer record. Or should we just go by wenger’s almost signed list.

    Good point Joe. Watch an excuse just roll off Charlie’s tongue now

  36. Marko

    MarkoDidn’t Giroud have one of the best goals per minutes played ratios?

    In 5 years at Arsenal he’s got 69 goals while in the last 3 seasons Lacazette has like 96 goals. I’d be confident he’d score more than Giroud for us

  37. Samesong

    Marko

    Not defending Giroud but
    That’s playing in Ligue 1
    The Prem is a different beast all together.
    Wasn’t Giroud smashing it in ligue 1 before he came to Arsenal?

  38. Marko

    hampagne charlieJune 14, 2017 19:02:55
    Douglas Costa scored 8 goals and made 12 assists in the Bundesliga the past TWO seasons combined. Just for those currently sock in hand when thinking about him. He’s a dangerous player but his end product is fucking awful. It’s almost like he’s being sold by Bayern for not being up to snuff…Give me Lacazette/Mbappe/Lemar over him every day of the week. Oh wait, who are we after?TR7June 14, 2017 19:08:05
    Lacazzete over Douglas Costa?? That’s stretching it too far Charlie. Lacazzete will never get to play for clubs like Bayern and Juventus.–Literally back to back comments and TR7’s first mention of Costa you absolute tit. “Thick cunt” lol That you are…

    Exactly. You mentioned Lacazette and Douglas Costa first and he replied to it.

  39. Joe

    Kallstrom. The greatest indication of a spotter of talent if I ever saw one.

    Squillaci
    Silvestre
    Santos
    Dojouro
    Betdner and then played him on the Wing. He really knows how to get the best out of his players
    Arteta after his legs had gone
    Wellbeck

    The list could go on for days

    But hey he found Henry and viera

    All from the dark depths of the French national team on the cusp of euro and World Cup glory wow

  40. Samesong

    The jury out on Lacazette for me. Until he makes the move we don’t know what he’ll be like playing for us.

  41. Marko

    Samesong Giroud scored 20 ligue 1 goals before we signed him. I’m convinced Lacazette would be better than him for us. Considering that we favour pace over him and Welbeck in the big games that in itself is quite telling

  42. R.S.P.C.Arsenal

    Lacerezte is giround only 3 years younger ,,,,,

    None of the other clubs are interested in him …

  43. Samesong

    Marko

    Maybe and I hope your right
    But Arsenal don’t have an identity at the moment what is our style of play counter attack football ? Build up?

  44. Samesong

    I could see them working well together but that isn’t going to happen

    Look at the euros where Giroud and grease man linked up well.

  45. Cesc Appeal

    Samesong

    Agreed.

    Something about Lacazette that just leaves me thinking ‘meh’. He would be a decent signing, but I would want to see Belotti or Aubameyang attempted ahead of him, Icardi would be in with a shout as well, of course Mbappe but come on, cannot see us going for £100 Million plus signing.

    I quite like the look of that Keita Balde Diao as well as a curve ball type signing.

    Whatever happens though, to move forward that ST signing would absolutely have to be joined by another attacker like Lemar.

    And for me as well, we would need a CM on top of that, thinking Danilo, Rabiot or Kovacic types. Shame that Tolisso has already gone, and for £35 Million.

  46. N5

    Lacassette player has scored quite a few, but it’s in the French league which only has a few good teams. I mean even Sanogo scored 421 goals in one season there. Fact…..don’t look it up.

  47. N5

    I’d already grabbed my coat and was shouting the above comments over my shoulder as I legged it through a closing door a la Indiana Jones.

  48. N5

    I think Mayweather would beat him in either Boxing or UFC. I’m not sure it’s legal for Floyd to punch someone without gloves on though. 😀

  49. Marko

    Maybe and I hope your right
    But Arsenal don’t have an identity at the moment what is our style of play counter attack football ? Build up?

    I couldn’t tell you either samesong

  50. Samesong

    I know peeps may slate me but I always though a Cavani type player would fit our mold his runs and movement off the ball are insane. But he doesn’t half miss some sitters. ‘The old saying you gotta be in the position to miss them aye’

  51. Cesc Appeal

    N5

    Yeah, in a boxing ring no contest for me. He just will not have the chops to compete with arguably the best defensive fighter in boxing history.

    McGregor’s only chance is to come out all guns blazing and try to finish him seriously early, which you would think would play right into a defensive counter punchers hands?

    Still massive payday for McGregor, will be far bigger than anything he will ever earn in UFC, likely his entire UFC career added up.

  52. Cesc Appeal

    I think Belotti, Lemar and Danilo/Rabiot/Kovacic coming in with Sanchez going, dross like Wilshere, Gibbs and Walcott going, Perez being sold as well would be acceptable and probably would not be that bad in terms of cost either.

  53. N5

    CA. You’re spot on, McGregor coming out hard will play straight into Floyds hands.

    I’m not sure of McGregors background, but to me this has gimmick and payday written all over it. I’d be surprised if this made it past 3 rounds.

    CM, is a good fighter, but when was the last time he fought over 12 rounds?

    Discipline will be a real problem for him too. He’s explosive and irate and he’ll be fighting one of the most methodical boxers in history so keeping to any kind of plan or stopping himself becoming frustrated will be a major issue.

    Thanks Marko 😀

  54. Cesc Appeal

    When you are worth $600 Million or whatever it is you do not have to get in that cage. McGregor would total him in a cage, but just shows you McGregor coming to Mayweather’s arena and will likely have bowed to Mayweather’s terms the same way Pacquiao did before Mayweather schooled him.

    Likely be another $50 Million or more for Mayweather for a sparring session, no way will the purse be split evenly no matter what McGregor says in the coming weeks.

  55. Samesong

    This grenfell tower fire is really distressing watching the footage when I was younger I used to play footie round there.

  56. N5

    Samesong, I’m just not sure. If Floyd connected with a single one of his haymakers in those UFC gloves there could be a death!

    It would all depend on who got their weapon off first. For me pound for pound Floyd is the best Boxer since Ali. Maybe not a popular opinion, but the man has done it all in lots of different weights and never lost. Top top boxer. Arrogant fucker, but top boxer.

  57. Samesong

    I agree on Mayweather however cage is a different atoey all together all it take is CM to get in on the floor and it’s game over for me.
    Remember he is a cage fighter he can also take punches also.

  58. Cesc Appeal

    N5

    I read somewhere McGregor is handy in terms of striking and has done some boxing. But goodness me, you are stepping into the ring for your first professional boxing match against a man who made fighters like Pacquiao, Hatton, Canelo etc look average.

    Even fights like Cotto where people said Mayweather was pushed, when I watch them back he actually makes much easier work of it than people suggest. Only Castillo really years and years back who properly troubled Mayweather then when he fought him the second time he schooled him.

    I guess McGregor could watch Maidana etc and just try to be a truly awkward opponent, hit from unpredictable angles and swarm him.

    But they all say that.

  59. N5

    SS, you’re bang on, after I clicked post comment I realised I was just not thinking straight. In the ring it’s Mayweather all day, but in the ring, CM would only need to get Floyd in a hold of any sort and FM wouldn’t have a clue where to go from there.

  60. N5

    Ha ha, that they do Cesc. Ever person who faces Floyd says that there going to be the one that finally schools him, but even at 40 I can’t think of anyone currently that would push him at all, so how a cage fighter thinks he might do it it deluded and beyond me?

  61. PieAFC

    Mayweather is a skilled boxer. One of the greatest. For a boxing fan, true boxing fans appreciate his skill. NeutrLs think he’s boring, purist understand.

    Any one can throw a punch. Anyone. Not everyone can duck, dive, move as good as he does or any professional fighter, especially boxers.

    I’m sure for entertainment value it will be a great fight. just for the passion they both have and the claim to win it against the best, be it not the same sports.

  62. Cesc Appeal

    PieAFC

    Always make me laugh when people go ‘all Mayweather fights are the same’ as if that is suppose to be an insult.

    So they are saying, Cotto, Hatton, Mosley, Canelo, Pacqiuao, Maidana etc, big hitters, counter punchers, fast movers, inside workers, outside workers etc, they all end up fighting the same fight against Mayweather. Well that makes Mayweather a frigging boxing genius then.

    N5

    Like the time Bolt was going to play for Man Utd 😉

  63. N5

    “Like the time Bolt was going to play for Man Utd ”

    Ha ha, yeah Cesc or Sanogo playing for Arsenal……wait!

  64. Cesc Appeal

    N5

    Who does he think he is?

    Just because his conversion rate of letters into letterboxes was near perfect does not mean you are going to have the same success posting balls into nets.

  65. N5

    Cesc, it gives everyone ideas though too. My brother in law is a 46 year old Postman living in St. Leonards, he’s calls Arsenal, Arsenal United which shows his level of football knowledge and using Sanogo as a role model he’s wrote to Wenger requesting a squad place……………………he starts Monday.

  66. Joe

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    Easy i said, just say your buying Mbappe,Lacazette and Lemar.

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  67. tonyd

    This is how it’s done Ivan, please forward to Stan.

    “Claude Puel has been sacked as the manager of Southampton after the club concluded that the players and fans were not behind him sufficiently and that he would not lead them to regular European football.”

    “Southampton do not feel that he was a particularly bad appointment or that results were a huge problem, just that there was little hope of him galvanising the players and fanbase to continue their progress. The assessment and review of the season was led by executive director Les Reed.”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/06/14/claude-puel-sacked-southampton/

  68. tonyd

    Jose was quoted as saying Smalling was best without the ball after the Ajax final; then promptly bought Lendelof and is selling Smalling probably to Wenger for £30 million.

    For me that kind of money buys us much better than Jose cast off.

    What’s troubling is that Wenger has been an admirer of Smalling for some time.

    If the news is true that the Lyon president is in town to discuss the swap deal of Guroud and Lacazette, I’m not unhappy with that deal as long as it involves adding players like Lemar and Mbappe.

    Our current squad needs much more than Lacazette for Giroud up front to seriously make a challenge next season.

    I’d also want to see Rabiot or similar to hold Xhaka’s hand. Sidibe looks to have better potential than Bellerin so if he went to Barca I wouldn’t lose any sleep.

    Ox has just proved he’s no central midfielder in the French game. Add that to many misfiring games for us; I’d say let Liverpool have him. Maybe he just needs a fresh start to come good.

    Ramsey would be out of his league playing with the incoming talent so happy to sell him as well as the usual suspects mentioned here.

    If Sanches saw those players coming in, he’d be going nowhere and that would really give us a team who could win EPL and maybe the Champions League.

    Tomorrow it will probably be a much different story……..

  69. Guernsey gun

    Interesting posts and whilst I have been admonished by one of wingers rim crew on here for being to simplistic I feel as if I have to repeat myself. 1. Resign an old man who cannot cut it at any European level or his league. 2. Allow him to resign the losers on his staff whose primary role is to massage his ego and be part of said rim crew. 3. Make up a list of top quality transfers you know you have no chance of getting.4. Sign a low priority left back from a rank bang average German side. Then the best bit……we are going for the league. Any warhead he believes this needs a thorough check up from the neck up. He is going to fail hard and if he thinks the abuse he recived last season was disgusting I’m afraid the over sensitive twat has seen nothing yet. It’s top 8 all the way at best and young boys of Berne on Thursday nights good ol arsene a legend in his own mind.

  70. mano'gunner

    Oh Wenger is interested in winning alright. He won when he got his contract renewed and he got to keep his staff while successfully resisting any calls for changes to the internal structure.

  71. Emiratesstroller

    I think that the starting point of any discussion about Arsenal’s prospects and realistic expectations is of course the calibre of ownership and management of the club.

    I think that there is now an overwhelming view not just by posters on Le Grove and Arsenal Supporters that what is on offer is both not fit for purpose, but STALE. Talking two days ago to a Sports Journalist who knows the situation very well that is now a serious problem for the club. His view is
    that we have absolutely the wrong owner.

    Second I have been a supporter of Arsenal for over 60 years and my expectations are probably different from some other posters.

    Personally I think that it is now very difficult for English Clubs even with the finances currently available to compete in Champions League. The EPL
    in contrast to other leagues is physically demanding and the TV scheduling
    is frankly unhelpful.

    Real Madrid and Barcelona have made their own TV contracts and are in a
    position to control their own schedules. Also Spanish league is far less
    physical.

    Money does have an impact, because you can buy better players, but it is
    not necessarily the solution to the problem.

    Arsenal’s situation is complex. Wenger is a successful FA Cup Winner. Some will discount that feat as being unimportant. The fact is that he has
    won the competition three times in four seasons and this year has beaten
    both Man City and Chelsea.

    After this year’s FA Cup I suggested that Arsenal were a team who are capable of raising performance in one off games, but were not designed to cope
    with rigours of a long season notwithstanding that we have a large squad.

    What I do know is that if you have ambition to win the EPL Title you need
    a more balanced, reliable and physically stronger team/squad than we have
    got and that is not just down to money, but good management and planning.

    Arsenal’s major problems at the moment are as follows:

    1. Too many lightweight players both mentally and physically.
    2. A wage structure, which is not based enough on merit and rewards less
    talented players so that they are difficult to shift.
    3. Not enough rotation of “squad” players. By that I mean players who sit
    mainly on bench or not even there often for 3-5 years.
    4. A growing number of 30+ players in squad some of whom are injury
    prone. The squad now includes Cech, Mertesacker,Koscielny,Debuchy,
    Monreal,Cazorla and Giroud.
    5.A contract crisis with far too many players, because we have allowed their
    contracts to run down to final year. That is not a situation that seems to
    happen at Chelsea.

    Arsenal need to use this transfer window to shift out of club at least 10 deadwood players. That should be the goal even if it means selling them for peanuts or even letting them go on freebies.I am not including Sanchez or
    Ozil. There we should play hardball unless we get a decent transfer fee and
    are able to replace them.

    We need to bring in at least 4 quality players suited to demands of EPL and
    then focus on achieving our best possible result in that competition.

    Finally if the club fails to deliver improvement in the next 10 games and we
    lose to the likes of Liverpool, Man City and Chelsea in our starting schedule
    Wenger should either resign or be sacked without any further sentimentality.

  72. Rhys Jaggar

    ES

    Cannot disagree with what you say, I think this has been the concensus here for 4 years. I thought it six years ago when I stopped going to the ground.

    The problem I see is a lot of posters here in denial about who we could actually sign. Players have priorities:
    1. Ability to win trophies and play in UCL.
    2. If above immediately possible, the quality of manager to bring it within 12 months.
    3. Money.
    4. Playing time (regular slot in trophy-winning side).

    We are not going to sign Tolisso if he goes to Bayern, because our manager is a second rate coach who expects players to work it all out themselves. We are going for Lacazette because he is French and Lyon have no other offers for him. Wenger no longer has a reputation outside France….

    If Mbappe comes, in preference to another year in UCL with Monaco followed by Real, I will be very, very surprised. But I do not rule it because it is world cup year, he wants guaranteed football, he is French, and Wenger will kiss his ass, suck his cock, comb his hair, wash his clothes and set up his brother with a hooker a night for 12 months if he agrees to come. And talk to his mother whenever she rings up worried about her precious boy……

  73. Uwot?

    The prob at present is “where is the ditherer”?no sight or sound of him since getting his duty frees in Nice.prob on hols.like every other year.while all about are doing their business.clearly doesn’t give a f**k.expect usual two Bob purchases end of August as per usual.groundhog day again.except he’s digging an even bigger hole for himself this season.the shit should hit the fan v.early in the season.can’t wait.

  74. Leedsgunner

    Anyone willing to go into a fight with Mayweather needs to have his sanity checked…

    More money than sense applies here… although if CM comes out of this alive and with his faculties in tact he will earn even more money than Arsene Wenger in his 21 year Arsenal career.

  75. Leedsgunner

    We are a stepping stone club now… just like Spurs used to be for up and coming talents who wants to move on up to the biggest clubs. Funny that though… I thought we moved to the new stadium to be one of biggest clubs.

    We have all been conned, haven’t we?

  76. Snowman

    I don’t think Lacazette would be as underwhelming as some of you tend to think. He also scored a couple of goals in the Europa league as well as against Psg and Monaco which are relatively big games. Definitely an upgrade on Giroud. Also Pablo Fornals looks the part for me. Kovacic would be a dream. Lacazette, Fornals/Kovacic, Lemar. That’s a top top qualidee summer.

  77. Snowman

    Giroud barely holds up the ball. Total waste for a striker his size. Lacazettes link up play is way better than OG.

  78. Emiratesstroller

    Rhys Jagger

    Wenger has no reputation, which enhances our prospects of recruitment. That has been very clear for long time. It has not been helped by the club’s inability to be decisive and penny pinching when negotiating with other clubs.

    Lacazette is a good player but not outstanding. He scores goals as indeed does
    Giroud who is rated higher by French National Coach. I have no problem recruiting him, but he is not someone who will make a real difference if we lose
    both Sanchez and Ozil. He is the type of player you add to team/squad, but not
    as replacement for best players.

    Mbappe is a different story. He is undoubtedly a major talent. However, I am
    not sure that at his stage of development he will make a real difference if both
    Sanchez and Ozil leave. Also the probability is that if he came to Arsenal he would move on after two/three years with the current management set up at
    our club.

  79. Wallace

    I like Lemar, but would rather we sign Mahrez. if we’re going to be signing 2/3 forwards it would be preferable if at least one of them has PL experience.

  80. Emiratesstroller

    Wallace

    Where are you going to play Mahrez if Ozil and Oxlade-Chamberlain stay?

    The way that Arsenal are operating at the moment I think that it would make more sense to recruit players from French National Team/Squad as Rhys has
    suggested above.

  81. Wallace

    ES

    I’d start the Ox at RWB, and would only buy Mahrez if we sell Ozil. Same with Alexis, I’d much rather he sign a new deal than we have to replace him. Although if we manage to keep them both I’d still add another forward, Lacazette, probably.

  82. steve

    @Emiratesstroller

    Interesting that none of your major problem points included having a clueless manager. Why do you always deflect away from Wenger?

  83. Emiratesstroller

    steve

    The point about Wenger is a repetitive theme in most posts not just by me but by everyone else.

    In any event if you look further up at my main post I said that if Arsenal makes
    a poor start to season he should either resign or be sacked without sentiment.

  84. Jim Lahey

    @ES –

    “Where are you going to play Mahrez if Ozil and Oxlade-Chamberlain stay?”

    ————– Sanchez ——- Mahrez ————-

    ————————- Ozil ————————-

    Chamberlain can play RWB in rotation with Hector.

  85. karim

    Wallace

    Not that much actually. The consensus is that Giroud’s exit would be dependent on Arsenal buying one or two new strikers.

    West Ham and Marseille seem to be interested.