Alexis Sanchez on the Wenger creep: Good news?

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The aftermath of the fan boycott has been largely positive. The whole objective was for the fans to make a united statement, and whatever the reason was that you didn’t turn up, it contributed to making a global impact against the tenure of Arsene Wenger.

‘Nah mate, I weren’t protesting, I just didn’t show up’

Really can’t feel for you there, and with an attitude like that, I’m glad your absence has been rolled up into something that was geared towards shaking the club into pushing for a better future… otherwise, you just look like a really average fan who doesn’t care about the club. If you’re missing games for anything other than difficulties in getting there, you’re making a protest at the club, that, or you don’t deserve a ticket.

SHAME SHAME SHAME

Anyway, I think we’ve seen the way forward with making a statement against the club. A few people were saying that a march is more impactful, I disagree. Those things require just one person to call the manager a c-bomb and it’s over in the eyes of the media who love Wenger. For me, not turning up is silent, horrible to look at, and it leaves the manager exposed against a backdrop of empty seats. That matters, because at the heart of it, it’s his job to have all eyes on the club. That brings in fans, sponsorship and new opportunities. If people don’t want to watch in the ground, it says to marketing people that fans don’t want to watch on TV… that’s not good for Stan K.

Who has, as usual, been painfully silent. The fact fans are fighting to give the CEO leverage to tapper Wenger’s ridiculous power structure tells you all you need to know about how weak the owner is. He literally doesn’t care about sport. He’s the opposite of an asset stripper. He comes into clubs, works out the minimum needed to sustain life, and goes for it. That said, fans can’t moan too hard. Sure, we need an owner with more ambition, or at the very least, an owner who will empower Ivan to make the best decisions… because look, I can assure you our CEO will do great things in the aftermath of Wenger. But, back to Stan. If you’d said 10 years ago, we’d have an owner who’d leave the sporting stuff to the manager and never

That said, fans can’t moan too hard. Sure, we need an owner with more ambition, or at the very least, an owner who will empower Ivan to make the best decisions… because look, I can assure you our CEO will do great things in the aftermath of Wenger. But, back to Stan. If you’d said 10 years ago, we’d have an owner who’d leave the sporting stuff to the manager and never interfere. We’d all be applauding. Now the game is more competitive, we’re horrified. We just need a balance, that’d start with an owner who wanted to win. Such a shame Usmanov is likely going to jump ship and turn Everton into the new Manchester City. Even more reason for Stan to buck his fu*king ideas up. We are under threat…

As we head into next season, we’re coming to that part of the season where we start reminiscing about how good loan players are. The hot topic at the moment is the keeping position. Petr Cech, despite a strong finish to the season, has looked poor. David Ospina is not good enough by a margin. So what is on the table now? Szczęsny. That’s who.

Please lord don’t let him wander back to the club. Roma fans aren’t enamoured with him. He looks the same keeper he always has for me. Arrogant, prone to switching off, and simply not good enough for Arsenal. We need to be looking at someone who can man the sticks for the next ten years. That’s not Pickford for me, I’m unsure how anyone can look at a keeper who has conceded 64 goals this season and say they fancy him. He made some good saves the other night, he also made a lot of bad decisions. We need a keeper capable of playing at the highest level.

One player at the top of his game, Alexis Sanchez, had some strong words about the manager.

“I think that a coach that gave this club a stadium, trophies and who has been there 21 years should have a statue done to remember him forever.”

“He is a manager that looks after the players — he develops them and makes them mature. I’m happy here with the players, the club and with life in general.”

Very interesting comment. Like, the sort of disturbing view that only someone with something to gain would say, especially considering the situation and his kind of shitty attitude behind the scenes. When asked about his future, he had this to say…

“It doesn’t depend on me but on what the club wants or doesn’t want,”

Hmmm… sounds like he’s put a big number on the table. Match that, and he’ll hang around. He sure as hell won’t get £300k a week at Bayern or Juventus. Might get trophies, but we know these South Americans are all about that $$$. I was told he has a mega number in from China as well. So we’ll see, but look, there’s no way Wenger has the pull to do anything with elite strikers in Europe, so we might have to pull a David Moyes / Rooney move and just go for it.

I think Sanchez is incredible. Concerned about the stories he’s a pain in ass behind the scenes though. Is he staying at Arsenal because if the money is right, the power and lack of discipline appeals. The team will always be built around him. He’ll never be told what to do. He’ll play every week. Would he get that at an elite club? Unlikely.

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337 Responses to “Alexis Sanchez on the Wenger creep: Good news?”

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  1. TR7

    Carts

    I would take Son over Welbeck and Giroud as well let alone Theo. He is very nippy, intelligent and two footed. And unlike Giroud contributes to overall play and build up. Very good movement as well. Spurs bought him for a very reasonable price at well, in fact it was a bargain.

  2. Marko

    I’m still a big fan of Son fantastic player with a great eye for goals. But unfortunately Wenger has such a great eye for talent that he didn’t spot Son playing for Leverkusen. But I suppose we don’t really compete with other clubs for players anyway and that probably would of raised his price a couple million and we can’t compete with that… what did he move for17 or 23 million? Anyway at least we have Walcott

  3. Carts

    Lahey

    LOL. After Theo confirmed our beliefs on the eve of Crystal Palace, poor sod hasn’t had a sniff.

    Rest assured, he’ll get a new contract once he apologises to the almighty Wenger.

  4. champagne charlie

    “He has a figure in mind, and despise the idea of getting into a bidding war.”

    Because he can’t win a bidding war. Let’s not overlook the reality here which is the fact you stated you’d have got Kante (who rejected us), Lacazette for 35mil (Lyon rejected 40), and Manolas for 35mil (Roma rejected 35).

    From that all I can gather is you talk from a position of idealism and lack of appreciation for reality. All the while you do this in hindsight, which as ever makes all fans alike the greatest managers of all time.

    The glaring reality of your statements is acquiring those three names (ignoring Kantes rejection for a moment) was beyond our budget, simple as. Why not state you wanted Higuain instead of Lacazette if we’re on such an abundance?

  5. Carts

    I’m not sure if anyone has bothered to go back to the LG post back in September 1st 2011.

    http://le-grove.co.uk/2011/09/01/12704/comment-page-1/#comments

    To summerise: Gambon, Playmoney, Hitman49, Graham O’Keefe and a few others…these guys got it. They saw past the Jedi mind tricks, that Wenger and the BOD pulled.

    Reading through the comments, its embarrassing how many people pretty much accepted Arteta and Benayoun as replacements for Cec and Nasri.

    We had people ejaculating to the rumour of Arteta taking a damn pay cut. A fucking pay cut. Pay. Cut!

    Per was someone we needed as he had a wise head on him. Sadly how he’s still on the payroll today is beyond me. He was nothing more than a short term solution.

    Unfortunately I was a seldom silent reader at the time. Funny enough, a lot of the people that berated Gambon aren’t posting anymore lol.

  6. Leftsidesanch

    One of the questions put forward to Weng today:

    It’s the stadium you built, with your results and the way you’ve handled the club in the early years, if you are saying goodbye do you not feel the fans need to know so they can say goodbye to you properly on Sunday.

    – I don’t get why people credit him with building this stadium. No wonder the man’s ego has no ceiling, and no wonder that stadium houses a group of serial underachievers.

  7. BergkampLegend

    ““I do not give much importance to what Tony Adams says, honestly.”

    Correct translation : “I give importance only to the things I say”

  8. grooveydaddy

    Marko

    We did scout Son. I remember reading the glowing report saying he reminded the scout of Ljungberg.

    Wenger passed on him.

  9. Leftsidesanch

    Also, at a quick read of the transcript – it bares all the signs of a man confident he will still be here at the start of the season. Arsenal FC = Fraud’s R’Us

  10. BergkampLegend

    Well, considering his disastrous management during the last decade (and mostly during the past few years), he will stay mostly in my memory as the man who destroyed Highbury.

  11. Carts

    CC

    remind us how a cash rich club like Arsenal can’t win a bidding war?

    Getting into a bidding war is a matter of choice. It has nothing to do with not being financially able.

    Kante wasn’t beyond our budget. We spent more on Xhaka than Chelsea did on Kante. The only small difference, depending what source you use is that Chelsea pay Kante more p/w than we pay Xhaka.

    Ironically, over the 4 year terms of both player’s contract, factoring in wages, the gross outlay will be near enough the same for both players.

    And again, I’m not disputing whether we bid for Manolas and Lacazette as various source indicate we did. My point is that due to Wenger lack of planning, he could’ve funded those acquisition by getting rid of players who, today, are still dog shit.

  12. Marko

    Because he can’t win a bidding war. Let’s not overlook the reality here which is the fact you stated you’d have got Kante (who rejected us), Lacazette for 35mil (Lyon rejected 40), and Manolas for 35mil (Roma rejected 35).

    Zero evidence that Kante rejected us none. No evidence that we even bid for him we had Xhaka coming in since around January there were rumours that we were signing him and Wenger figured he was enough. Great eye and all that. I see you’re making excuses for him again like we can’t get involved with the decent players of this world because we’d have to compete with clubs and thus jack up the price. Such a wonderful approach for a supposedly big club. So yeah anyway we couldn’t afford Hazard that one summer but could afford Ozil for 42 the next. We operate with a budget but that one summer we only had 10 million for Cech available… it all makes perfect sense it’s Dick Law

  13. champagne charlie

    Carts
    Hold on, everyone keeps going on about how high our wage bill is and now you’re telling me we didn’t stump up for Kante? Which is it? we pay stupid wages or we don’t pay enough for Kantes etc… He had us or Chelsea to choose in this country and went there, end of.

    “remind us how a cash rich club like Arsenal can’t win a bidding war?”

    Do you need reminded that we can’t compete with the likes of City, Chelsea, United (in England alone) for transfers? Really? Where you been?

    Well here’s the kicker Re:Lacazette and Manolas, nobody else stumped up the cash for them so might I bet right in saying had we bought both they’d have received the same line of ridicule Mustafi did, in that “nobody else wanted him”?

  14. Marko

    We did scout Son. I remember reading the glowing report saying he reminded the scout of Ljungberg.

    Wanna know why we passed on him? Because we would have had to compete for his signature and Arsene Wenger doesn’t do that he gets scared. Also by buying someone like Son you’d basically have to give up on someone (not necessarily imo) and Wenger couldn’t do that to someone like Walcott. Eye for talent alright

  15. TitsMcGee

    Wenger spent a total of 10 million in the Summer a few seasons ago(was it the summer we bought Cech?). The idea that Arsenal gave him a budget of 10 million is ludicrous.

    Wenger spent 10 because he only wanted to spend 10. Can we go and spend 500 million every window? Obviously not nor would most want us to but we can do much more than we are doing. Wenger thinks people want to come here despite not winning jack shiite pretty much for a decade and a half.

  16. Marko

    Hold on, everyone keeps going on about how high our wage bill is and now you’re telling me we didn’t stump up for Kante? Which is it? we pay stupid wages or we don’t pay enough for Kantes etc… He had us or Chelsea to choose in this country and went there, end of.

    Again zero evidence we bid for him or he rejected us. We got scared off by Chelsea interest or thought Xhaka was enough. And could we of afforded his fee and wages? Yes. Choice between us and Chelsea would he have still chosen Chelsea? Probably

  17. grooveydaddy

    Also, didn’t Kante has a much lower release clause for a CL team (which we were at the time)? £20 mill or something as opposed to the 30 that Chelsea ended up paying. With that in mind, we could have definitely afforded his wages.

  18. TitsMcGee

    And could we of afforded his fee and wages? Yes. Choice between us and Chelsea would he have still chosen Chelsea? Probably’

    Which is what gets lost in all of this.

    You can’t be putrid on the field domestically and in Europe for a decade and a half and two decades respectfully and not expect us to be as attractive.

    We are where average players come to make a living or cast-off good players come because they were make-weight .

    When has a top player clamoured to come play for us?

  19. Marko

    Lacazette obviously he didn’t want to go past 30-35 million for him and Aulas at Lyon is tough to negotiate with at the best of times and considering the amount of playtime Lucas got and his fee it looks like Wenger didn’t even wanna sign up a striker in the first place. Again not addressing the issue. Didn’t he say as much recently? Also on Manolas he was only at Monaco a season so they weren’t that inclined to sell

  20. Marko

    Also, didn’t Kante has a much lower release clause for a CL team (which we were at the time)? £20 mill or something as opposed to the 30 that Chelsea ended up paying. With that in mind, we could have definitely afforded his wages.

    Oh yeah… wonder how Charlie will shoot this one down…

  21. Marko

    Tits that’s on the manager though. He has the club the way it is the lack of direction, ambition and the apathy that exists at the club is on him. All that changes with a new manager and an aggressive approach to the transfer market

  22. champagne charlie

    “Also on Manolas he was only at Monaco a season so they weren’t that inclined to sell”

    lol :) totally

  23. Marko

    I can’t diss Wenger for not going after Lacazzete. I don’t see the hype, think he is an average player.

    35 goals in 44 appearances total. Yep bang average. Eye for talent indeed how many has our strikers aside from Sanchez got?

  24. Bamford10

    Arsene Wenger says his future as Arsenal manager will be decided at a board meeting after FA Cup final:

    “The board meeting is after the FA Cup Final. That is when things will be finalised. I don’t know what will happen.”

    Would be nice to hear a we-were-wrong from everyone who said he had already signed, there was already a contract on the table, etc.

  25. Marko

    “Also on Manolas he was only at Monaco a season so they weren’t that inclined to sell”lol totally

    Yep check it out. They only bought him so unless we were to offer silly money they weren’t going to sell and considering we were haggling with Valencia for weeks for Mustafi (perhaps at the cost of results like the opening day defeat to pool) we weren’t about spend more for Manolas. If he was to move this summer the likes of probably Juve, Bayern and Madrid would likely be interested in him so that’s us out

  26. TitsMcGee

    Tits that’s on the manager though. He has the club the way it is the lack of direction, ambition and the apathy that exists at the club is on him. All that changes with a new manager and an aggressive approach to the transfer market’

    1000% agree regarding new manager(provided right one is hired).

  27. Wenker-wanger

    Tony Adams quote”Wenger couldn’t coach himself out of a paper bag”.
    Absolutely!
    Even as watching fans, the enlightened and intelligent know that beyond doubt.
    Adams is saying this now as he appears to have given up hope of returning to arsenal as Wenger has blocked that return 4 times already.
    Cynically, he has chosen to say this after probably putting his beliefs aside and keeping them hidden in order to work alongside this goon Wenger.
    Wenger keeps ex players quiet with some backhanded reward which is anyone’s guess. Keown, Wright winterbourne and more seem to be outrageously supportive of a man that’s torturing the club with his actions of incompetence selfishness and downright arrogance.
    As much as I love these arsenal legends, I’d still say MAN UP GUYS…..tell it how it is if you love this club.

  28. Marko

    Oh I see what I did there Roma obviously…. tell us again how you’re not an apologist but make a lot of excuses for the man…dot

  29. Dissenter

    It just dawned on me that Wenger be too humiliated to accept the new deal if Chelsea humiliate us 3-0 at Wembley.
    I hope he makes Theo the captain for the day.
    Make it happen

  30. champagne charlie

    Yea big Tone knows all about good coaching….

    Granada: P6 W0 L6 D0
    Goals for: 2
    Goals against: 15

    Great defender. That’s it. Maybe that’s why he doesn’t have an all access pass to the Arsenal coaching staff…

  31. Marko

    Dick Laws the reason for haggling with Valencia and buying Mustafi late August? Stan Kroenke the reason we spent 10 million that one summer? Couldn’t find a pen or his cheque book I suppose

  32. Wenker-wanger

    The son non-transferability doesn’t surprise me…Wenger only guys players that are not subject to an auction price….he sets the price he wants to pay….he expects his offer to be accepted and of some business etiquette to be finalised without higher bids elsewhere. Once say fergie bid 2 million extra for Rinaldo to cost 28 million, Wenger backed out. As we know Rinaldo was sold subsequently years later for 70 million.
    The man is a misguided fool that believes in his own moral superiority.

  33. Carts

    CC

    Are you pretending to be dense? Obviously Wenger didn’t think Kante deserved what he allegedly would’ve asked for. Wenger already alluded to this, hence why he didn’t bother bidding.

    For example, do you mean to tell me that Giroud and Ramsey are worth anywhere near what they’re being paid?

    Go and look at what we pay our players. If never actually witnessing us play, you’d assume that our players are all on the same level barring 2 exceptions.

    It’s since transpired that only Sanchez is worthy of collecting £140k p/w where as the other mob have just been ridiculously lucky.

    So yes, we could’ve afforded his wage. Easily.

    Fact remains that for whatever reason, Wenger didn’t want to pay the wages, and probably didn’t want to finance Leicester in anyway shape or form….cos after all, “we did our job by beating them twice, where other failed to do so” .

    Arsenal looked like total mugs – having not won the league in God knows how long. And Ranieri goes and does it with Leicester. We haven’t even come close to winning the league, ffs.

    Lastly, WE CAN compete. We simply choose not to due to some ethical nonsense that Wenger believes in.

  34. Marko

    So basically Tony Adams is saying the right things but is the wrong man saying it. I mean I’m sure there’d be plenty of really good coaches to talk shit about Wenger’s methods only he doesn’t let them into the club. He surrounds himself with yes men lemmings

  35. Wenker-wanger

    @ cc…
    Adams comment was very welcome, his own credentials for a manager seem like you say, questionable

  36. Bamford10

    Champagne is simply a dead-ender. He has decided Wenger needs to move on, but he will defend the man and his reputation till his dying day, regardless of facts.

  37. Carts

    Dissenter

    In all honesty, I think we’re going to pull it off against Chelsea. Don’t ask me why; nor do we have any right too.

    I also think we’ll sneak 4th. City and Liverpool are shitting bricks, and cos it’s been said since January that we won’t get 4th, as well as Wenger down playing it, it’s almost as if the pressure is off.

    Hope to God Everton’s player’s aren’t on Vegas mode of we’ll probably tank them by 4.

  38. Wenker-wanger

    The only result I want v Chelsea is the one which parts wankger with the club.
    As we know that particular result could be absolutely anything from 5-0 either way.
    So what result do we hope for?

  39. Bamford10

    One doesn’t need to be a proven manager to know that a coach can’t or doesn’t coach. Adams played under Wenger, recall, and he has played under and listened to many other managers.

    Jesus, it’s obvious to half the world that Wenger can’t coach, and most of us have never been to a training session or in the locker room.

    His laissez-faire approach worked when he had a great back five and world-class , experienced players — players who in large part managed themselves, coached themselves.

    It has never worked since.

  40. TR7

    ” 35 goals in 44 appearances total. Yep bang average. Eye for talent indeed how many has our strikers aside from Sanchez got?”

    Yes that’s why he is still plying his trade in French league despite clamoring for a move away for 2 seasons now, great talent indeed.

  41. Bamford10

    Wenker

    I hate to break it to you, but Wenger will not give one shit about losing to Chelsea — badly or otherwise. The man does not care about things like that at all. He will take there exact same attitude into that meeting, regardless: “I am Arsene Wenger, I built this club, I have made 10,000 substitutions, one game against a money-side is meaningless.”

    The only way to get rid of Wenger is if the board themselves decide not to extend him a new contract or if they place conditions on him (work under a DOF, meet these benchmarks) that he finds unacceptable.

    Wenger will see himself as in the right, though, regardless.

  42. Wenker-wanger

    @ Bamford spot on mate…
    I’ve said it for 8 years now, Wenger was in the right place at the right time…..
    When he inherited that monster of a defense and the greatest ever arsenal player DB10, he must’ve felt like a kid in a sweetshop!
    The team ran itself that’s why at half time he waited till they were walking out to start the 2nd half before he mumbled some inane comment( account Lee Dixon)… Wenger hasn’t a clue……just got LUCKY.

  43. Bamford10

    You guys are getting bogged down in discussions of whether he should have signed this or that player. Not necessary and unlikely to lead anywhere. Too many variables, too much difference of opinion.

    He had ample money to spend, he spent a ton of money, he could’ve spent another 100m and he did not spend well. End of story.

    Plus, he’s bad tactically, bad at team selection, bad at instruction, bad at motivation, bad at player development.

    He’s bad, and he’s been bad for a decade now.

  44. Marko

    Yes that’s why he is still plying his trade in French league despite clamoring for a move away for 2 seasons now, great talent indeed.

    Now now it’s not his fault he’s a Lyon boy through and through and his club president is a tough man to negotiate with and he wanted one year in their new stadium with champions league football. Worth pointing out that we bought Giroud after one season he scored 20 league goals in France and Chamakh after he scored about 15 league goals whereas with Lacazette he’s scored 20-30+ goals in each of the last 3/4 seasons I believe. Maybe the fact that he’s priced well whereas we got Giroud for what 13/17 million and Chamakh for free is what it comes down to. Great eye for talent? More like a bargain I say

  45. Paulinho

    “Would be nice to hear a we-were-wrong from everyone who said he had already signed, there was already a contract on the table, etc.”

    How does that change or prove anything?

    He’s lying and stringing everyone along as he’s done from day one.

    When Wenger comes out after the ‘board meeting’ and announces his new contract, are you seriously going to believe that it was some sort of seminal discussion without any of the participants knowing the outcome re Wenger’s future?

  46. Bamford10

    TR7

    When I have a little more coffee in me, I’d like to respond to your post about the relative value of cash on the books vs. investing in players as assets. While you are right in many ways, I think a more detailed analysis will show that whatever advantages there are to cash, such an approach does not make sense and would not make sense from an intelligent owner’s perspective. Also that there are other variables involved that you did not account for.

    Your post was a good one, though.

  47. Wallace

    Carts

    “Obviously Wenger didn’t think Kante deserved what he allegedly would’ve asked for. Wenger already alluded to this, hence why he didn’t bother bidding.”

    I’m sure Wenger would happily have paid 110k pw and 30m transfer fee for Kante. both are very reasonable. but if Chelsea are also keen there’s only one winner.

  48. Paulinho

    “I’m sure Wenger would happily have paid 110k pw and 30m transfer fee for Kante. both are very reasonable. but if Chelsea are also keen there’s only one winner.”

    Maybe he had the same mindset as you: We’ve got Coquelin, why do we need Kante?

  49. Bamford10

    Paulinho

    If the contract had already been placed on the table, Wenger would already have signed. That all waits upon this board meeting means that there remains a good deal to discuss, that all was not already decided months ago. And this is true even if Wenger gets another 2-year deal in the end.

    Those who said there was already a deal on the table, contract was already signed, all had long ago been decided, were wrong.

  50. champagne charlie

    “Adams played under Wenger……….players who in large part managed themselves, coached themselves.”

    Ahh the utterly predictable contradiction that is Bamford. If only he could coach Granada half as good as he coached himself.

    Speaking like the football sage he believes himself to be as ever. Record still broken though, different day same Wenger rant.

  51. Wallace

    Paulinho

    “Maybe he had the same mindset as you: We’ve got Coquelin, why do we need Kante?”

    you think Kante would have won the PL for us? maybe him and Ramsey?

  52. Carts

    Wallace

    “keen”, you say…

    Now explain to me why there’s only one winner in this situation?

    As we’ve established that finances wasn’t the reason….

  53. champagne charlie

    “How does that change or prove anything?”

    It feeds Bamfords ego. The guy lives to tell others they’re wrong and he’s right.

  54. Wenker-wanger

    @ Bamford…hear what you say….. I’m just hoping it’s so knife edge that either Wenger quits after winning, claiming his superior management-ship will be his lasting memory or loses so badly that it’s the straw that broke the arseholes back!

  55. BergkampLegend

    “Speaking like the football sage he believes himself to be as ever. ”

    Quote of the year so far… (lol)

  56. Bamford10

    “There are many aspects to be discussed at a board meeting. One is what happens with the manager,” Wenger said.

    Of course I will be there. At the moment we should focus on the short term and what is going on on Sunday and in the cup final.”

    This clearly means all is up for discussion, nothing was decided months ago.

  57. champagne charlie

    “As we’ve established that finances wasn’t the reason….”

    Since when did asserting a point time and again “establish” anything but an opinion?

    This place cracks me up. I mean you believe we can compete with City, United, and Chelsea in the transfer market….doesnt make it true.

  58. Paulinho

    “If the contract had already been placed on the table, Wenger would already have signed.”

    When he actually signs it is irrelevant. The whole thing can(and has) been verbally agreed, and none this recent stuff disproves that or can disprove the narrative put forward by some(me included) that Wenger and the club(kroenke, Keswick) are telling the public one thing, while the reality behind closed doors is something different. It would be logical fallacy to claim it proves we were wrong.

    I do think Gazidis wants change, and think there is a chance he could leave.

  59. TR7

    Well, as many have said here the contract has most probably already been signed. Stan flying to London to discuss Wenger’s future is pure hogwash at worst or a formality at best. It’s all about the proper timing of the decision for Wenger and board, not the decision itself per se.

  60. Bamford10

    What a shock: out of arguments, Champagne resorts to ad hominem attacks.

    I honestly couldn’t give a fuck about me, guy: I care about the arguments.

    You keep running interference for Wenger, though. Fucking pathetic.

  61. champagne charlie

    Bergkamplegend

    I dont post for approval you numpty. Maybe look at the content I provide? Hardly with the status quo.

    Do tell me next time I cut and paste my own comments from previous days posts, or demand others say they’re wrong. Cheers

  62. Park Chu-young's left testicle

    I don’t want Adams anywhere near a coaching role but he can compare the management skills of Wenger and, lets say, Graham.

    Although, thinking about it, I wouldn’t say no to Adams being Allegri’s ‘Steve Bould’.

  63. Bamford10

    Paulinho

    If everything of importance has already been decided and this is largely a formality, why would Wenger say this:

    “There are many aspects to be discussed at a board meeting. One is what happens with the manager.”

    The answer is obvious: many important things remain to be discussed, including whether Wenger stays.

    You lot got something wrong. It’s not a big deal. Just admit it.

  64. Wenker-wanger

    Tony Adams mould do a better job now than Wenger…. Even if he fell off the satin.
    Wenger provides nothing at all, a pathetically comic figure, unable to operate his zipper. Sanchez digs the results out, like RVP, cesc, nasri before him.
    His only use is to massage their egos and reward them beyond their ability.
    A driver of a driverless car if you want an analogy.

  65. Marko

    Maybe he had the same mindset as you: We’ve got Coquelin, why do we need Kante?

    That’s likely the reason.

    Wallace would Kante and Ramsey had won us the league? Would of had a better chance than Coquelin and Ramsey or Xhaka and Ramsey

  66. champagne charlie

    Bamford May 19, 2017 11:18:38
    “Champagne is simply a dead-ender. He has decided Wenger needs to move on, but he will defend the man and his reputation till his dying day, regardless of facts.” –

    Bamford10May 19, 2017 11:47:55
    “What a shock: out of arguments, Champagne resorts to ad hominem attacks.”

    :) Tell me more…

  67. Bamford10

    Paulino

    A chance Gazidis could leave? Or Wenger could leave? I take you mean the former.

    If the sun shines upon us all and Wenger leaves, will you then concede you lot were wrong about all being decided months ago?

  68. Paulinho

    Bamford – Wenger also said he would announce his future in March/April.

    He’s a shameless liar.

    There will be a board meeting all right. Nice little chat about whether the players should visit the set of Home and Away during the tour of Sydney.

  69. TR7

    “If the sun shines upon us all and Wenger leaves, will you then concede you lot were wrong about all being decided months ago?”

    What about your theory then if Wenger stays ? I would have no problem in admitting I was wrong all along if Wenger retired/left.

  70. Marko

    This place cracks me up. I mean you believe we can compete with City, United, and Chelsea in the transfer market….doesnt make it true.

    Changing the goalposts I see. We could of competed with Spurs for Son, Liverpool for Mane, Juve for Dybala, Atletico for Griezmann. We just don’t compete for players really ever…I suppose the blame is Dick Law’s again. Great eye for talent and all that

  71. Paulinho

    Bamford – Yep. If Wenger announces he is leaving after that then yes, you can fairly and right claim we were wrong.

    I will admit I’m hoping he’s being genuine for once and this meeting actually will lead to his departure.

  72. Bamford10

    Paulinho

    I disagree. I guess we will have to wait and see. Note, though, that if Wenger stays on, this does not mean that you lot were correct. We will need to know more about what was actually discussed in the meeting to determine that. I say everything is up for discussion and the board meeting will be highly, highly contentious.

    We will see.

  73. Marko

    “As we’ve established that finances wasn’t the reason….”

    Probably in reference to the work that Swiss ramble does on the financial side

  74. Bamford10

    Marko

    That’s exactly right: just because we cannot equal City or United’s spend does not mean we cannot compete with them. This is just another piece of sophistry from the salvage-Wenger’s-reputation crowd.

    We had ample money to spend, we could’ve signed many good players, we could’ve spent our money far more intelligently than we did, we could’ve contended for (and won) titles.

    Other smart clubs have done so — oftentimes with less money than Arsenal have spent.

    Wenger failed. Badly.

  75. Wallace

    Carts

    “Now explain to me why there’s only one winner in this situation?”

    two billionaire owners eyeing up the same player. one happy to inject some of his own cash, the other not. guess who wins?

  76. Marko

    I don’t think he’s signed anything. Something would of come out if he did. And well a verbal agreement don’t mean shit

  77. BergkampLegend

    So, wenga have said that “his future will be set after the Cup final”…

    No doubt, he’s the most hypocritical man on earth.

  78. WestLondonGoon

    Carefully staged presser….?

    ‘It’s the stadium you built’…….long pause…….’with your results….’

    ‘If it’s you are saying goodbye the fans need to know so that they can say goodbye properly on Sunday?’

    He’s counting on the cries of ‘one Arsene Wenger’ to go up round the stadium at the final whistle so he can present that to Stan as a reason to continue. There should be no ‘lap of appreciation’ at the end of the game, they can do that at Wembley if we actually win something.

    Yes people might want to show their respect if he were leaving, but the fact that we have got to the final game and we don’t know what’s going on, is purely his fault. Still smirking like a smug prick at everyone again I see.

  79. champagne charlie

    “Changing the goalposts I see. ”

    Nope, but I you are. I was speaking to Carts and stated we can’t compete with City, United, and Chelsea in England alone. He stated we can.

    But thank god you swooped in and discussed other teams in Europe then tried to make out I had changed the goal posts. Solid policing as ever Marko.

    Find it odd how I told you not to comment my way yesterday and today you’re back on the horse quoting and referencing what I have to say at every turn. It’s boring mate, there’s no point discussing anything with you and its for this exact reason.

    Talk to someone else, done with your tin pot postings.

  80. Paulinho

    “you think Kante would have won the PL for us? maybe him and Ramsey?”

    Nope, still short in terms of personnel and Wenger being our actual manager, but we may have had a half-respectable team that had some semblence of cohesiveness and menace in the middle third. More fluidity with Kante being able to take the ball in any area and possess the mobilty and skill to turn the play forward when the opposition expect us to go backwards, which they do now, and we which we oblige them in doing.

  81. Bamford10

    To get rid of Wenger, a poor showing in the FAC final is probably necessary. If he shows well, I fear he’ll be in a reasonably strong position.

    A protest needs to be organized for the morning of the board meeting itself. The building should be surrounded by people calling for “no new contract”.

  82. Marko

    two billionaire owners eyeing up the same player. one happy to inject some of his own cash, the other not. guess who wins?

    This in reference to Kante still? Could we of afforded his transfer fee? Yes. Could we of afforded his wages that he’s on now? Yes. Even if Chelsea were to offer him more wages we still could of matched them. And also they keep to a wage structure too you know. There’s a reason why people like Matic and Alonso aren’t paid as much as Costa and Hazard

  83. Wallace

    Paulinho

    “More fluidity with Kante being able to take the ball in any area and possess the mobilty and skill to turn the play forward when the opposition expect us to go backwards…”

    sorry, I know it’s not only you who talks up Kante’s offensive qualities, but I’ve seen him quite a bit now, and he’s a hell of a player when the opposition has the ball, but I just don’t see the canny, attack starting-Kante that you obviously do. offensively he’s Coquelin-like in what he brings to the team.

  84. Marko

    Ah Charlie you’re a little snowflake. No one can dispute your opinions (that you occasionally try to pull off as facts). I mean it is the internet and if you’re not happy arguing with people who disagree with you or call you up on some of the things that you say then I suggest you just throw your laptop out the window pal. Fuck me for calling you out on saying he’s got a great eye for talent or that Dick Law’s the reason for how bad we are at signing players or it’s Stan’s fault we don’t spend enough of money. You say we can’t compete with United or Chelsea but what a piece of shit I am for suggesting that we can compete with the likes of Liverpool orSpurs or Atletico or Juve. Could of at least. Anyway great work as always

  85. Wallace

    Marko

    “This in reference to Kante still? Could we of afforded his transfer fee? Yes. Could we of afforded his wages that he’s on now? Yes. Even if Chelsea were to offer him more wages we still could of matched them.”

    😉

  86. Wenker-wanger

    Will there be a special legrove party when the oily spin doctor fckwit leaves?
    All staunch wenger-outs invited….food drinks, dancing AKBs ? Haha… Be like a cup final victory in itself !

  87. Bamford10

    There is no reason to get bogged down on the question of Kante, but Wallace, there are many ways in which a club with slightly less money can compete with a club with slightly more money for player x.

    Your presentation of this and your analogy are false.

    One, Arsenal could have been ahead of Chelsea timing-wise. Sometimes you can simply sign the player up earlier, begin talks earlier. Two, sometimes you convince the player that he will be a better fit for your system, that he will be better valued, better treated, etc. Three, Arsenal could have equalled Chelsea’s offer. Four, Kante is not the only good CDM on the planet.

  88. champagne charlie

    Marko

    Nothing to do with people challenging my opinion, happens frequently on here if you paid more attention.

    It’s the fact you don’t pay attention and create alternative narratives, then attribute them to me. That’s what I can’t be bothered with. You’ve been called on it before, now I’d rather just not engage.

    Your ‘snowflake’/misrepresentations only reinforce what I say. The internet is full of mongs mate, I know when to ignore them. :)

  89. champagne charlie

    “I thought Champagne charlie was sectioned?”

    Know a thing or two about that I gather red?

  90. Dissenter

    If Everton think us 3-1 and Chelsea rip us apart at Wembley then all bets are off…Wenger might no get that deal.
    I’m holding out hope even though it looks like a country club lunch.

  91. Wallace

    Bamford

    the club speaks to the player’s agent. the agent lets them know if they have a chance. from what Wenger said, and the fact we didn’t make an official bid, it seems obvious Chelsea were either on to it before us, or they were prepared to top whatever we offered. and also, Xhaka was obviously Wenger’s no.1 target for central midfield. that was probably also a factor.

  92. Marko

    That’s the thing if he was to go it’s not like massive block parties around the globe will suddenly appear or there’d be a meet up for the people of this blog to jack each other off. No rather people will start to feel optimistic again about the club even for a short while. We’ve gone from scared of the unknown if he left to pissed off with the knowing we won’t ever compete again if he stays

  93. Carts

    Wallace

    You’re being disingenuous, and it’s not even funny.

    What has billionaire owner got to do with the price of fish, with regards to Kante?

    We’ve already acknowledged that nothing pertaining to finances was beyond either teams reach.

    Now you want to discuss billionaire owners as if the lure to play under abramovich was the deciding factor. Because if that wasn’t the case then why mention the owners?

    Let’s try again shall we…

    “Now explain to me why there’s only one winner in this situation?” (Re: Kante)

  94. champagne charlie

    Wallace

    Don’t forget we had Coquelin who likely was seen as the player offering what Kante brings. This obviously an embarrassing oversight, but not one many on here can chirp up about given the lashings of praise Coquelin received arsenal fans over for two seasons. Wenger massively at fault with that farce, but more than most complicit.

  95. Paulinho

    Wallace – Well as I said last year, that’s you being completely clueless.

    Plenty of examples of him showing offensive quality that Coquelin could only dream.

    Also, he is a much better footballer overall. Far more intelligent, far better touch, much more stamina. In every aspect he is better football; so the natural consequence is improved play in midfield and between the lines.

  96. Marko

    It’s the fact you don’t pay attention and create alternative narratives,

    What narrative do I create? The excuse after excuse you make as to how things are or how he works that’s my fault? Have you or have you not blamed Dick Law for how abject we are at signing players? Have you not blamed Stan Kroenke for lack of investment over the years? Did I make up that you said he’s a great eye for talent? Where have I given a false impression of you? All I’ve ever done is challenged the comments you’ve made and what’s wrong with that? Nothing wrong with thinking you’re hopelessly wrong and arguing with you ffs

  97. Carts

    Wallace

    “3 people in a bar – you, a beautiful woman, and Brad Pitt. guess who wins?”

    Me. I’m alpha AF, that’s why!

  98. Paulinho

    Coquelin can look a handy footballer for about five minutes, with his little step-overs and long balls to the full back. But there is no substance to it; incapable of sustaining it for any length of time.

  99. champagne charlie

    Marko

    Really not about to rehash all your examples of twisting narratives, I’ve argued about them all singularly. Because you’re playing dumb and acting measured is not my concern.

    I’ve long apportioned the necessary blame to those throughout the club who are tasked with differing roles. You, and others, continue your boring condemnation against anyone who expresses something not related to Wenger.

    You’re a chump. Leave it a that and go about boring one of the other posters

  100. Carts

    CC

    Fuck right off with that bollocks. Coq was being called out at the end of 14/15 for his limitation. Though he was a trier.

    Further compounded by the fact that any improvements he had made we’re well and truly dead as he’d been thoroughly exposed; not good very soon into 15/16.

    Wenger, with a forward plan would’ve realised, this and made a b-line for Kante. Cue Conte.

    What Kante was showing wasn’t a one off. It was very quickly realised that he was a don at what he was doing. Something we needed.

  101. Samir

    Question for you guys:

    If we had a £100M budget for a striker alone, who would you rather have? M’Bappe or Harry Kane?

  102. Rambo Ramsey

    “calling me out for my English…..you prick.”

    DNA, nope. Calling you out for your use of a strawman, you cunt.

  103. Marko

    I don’t even think Coquelin had anything to do with us not going for Kante. We just stumped 35 million on Xhaka and the hope was that he could do the job of a DM. I still think we needed both cause Ramsey is wank and Cazorla is crocked but alas Wenger once again wanted to gamble going into the season. Our midfield as of right now is absolutely poor. No real ball winners (cue Coquelin getting dumped on his arse by Hazard) and no one to really dictate the play outside of Santi. Ramsey offers little by way of dictation bar the occasional run from deep. Xhaka is good for diagonal balls that’s about it he slows play down. Santi is broken. Jack is pretty average at just about everything. elneny is a squad player at best. The whole midfield lacks an identity. It needs a makeover

  104. Wallace

    Carts

    okay, last try. Wenger has said he was interested. maybe if he was the player he most wanted to sign last summer he might have been up for a bidding war with Chelsea. but I don’t think Kante was a top priority(rightly or wrongly). I see us and Chelsea going head to head for a player from a similar viewpoint as a Liverpool fan who’s just found out Arsenal are also v keen on a player they want to sign – still a chance, but not optimistic.

  105. champagne charlie

    Samir

    Mbappe for me. Unreal talent. Kane is quality, but he has a team built around him. Higher ceiling for Mbappe easily, though reaching that potential is not a guarantee.

  106. Bamford10

    Champagne

    Right, so Wenger was wrong in his assessment of Coquelin. That some here were also wrong re Coquelin does not excuse Wenger’s being wrong about him.

    If you or I could see that Coquelin wasn’t good enough, then so too should have Wenger.

    I guess that’s a hit on his alleged “good eye for a player”.

  107. champagne charlie

    Carts
    Selective memory then. Coquelin was utterly adored for his work ethic on here, don’t try and rewrite things.

    Rambo
    “DNA, nope. Calling you out for your use of a strawman, you cunt.” – LOL

  108. champagne charlie

    Bamford

    That’ll be why I called it “embarrassing” and a “farce”…. Why the selective copying?

    Ahh yes, because Coquelin is shit that’s wengers eye for talent ruined. You’re right

  109. Bamford10

    For those who like Son, even if Wenger had signed him, he wouldn’t have played him properly, wouldn’t have placed him in the right spaces, wouldn’t given him a coherent, patterned system in which to play and thrive.

    This is one of the less talked about issues with Wenger: it isn’t even enough to sign good players. You have to build a coherent system into which they fit and thrive.

    Wenger just throws players into slots — and often the wrong slots — and says, “go play, go make decisions”.

  110. Guns of Hackney

    Sweet baby Jesus…

    Have you been starved for so long that you are looking at a potato skin and comparing it to a 13 course taster at The Fat Duck? Chesney is a trashy goalkeeper who doesn’t rank in the top 20 in the world, and yet he should be welcomed back to arsenal. Crap.

    We are a championship level club with a £200m wage bill. No top player would or should even choose us over an elite club…unless we are offering a £1,000,000 a week.

    Arsenal are dead, they just haven’t ralised it.

  111. Rambo Ramsey

    “Note, though, that if Wenger stays on, this does not mean that you lot were correct.”

    Of course we’ll have been proved right. And your ilk will have been played for the fools you are by the club.

  112. Leedsgunner

    Son earned his move from Bayern Leverkeusen after being their best player for a season or two, as well as being the standout player for the national team in South Africa during the WC 2012.

    We picked the wrong Korean basically… in panic buying Park CY in 2011 rather than choosing Son.

    In any case,after Wenger’s complete utter mismanagement of Park CY, no decent Korean player is going to consider us as a viable option until Wenger goes.

    Park wasn’t the best player, but even so Wenger didn’t do him any favours by hardly playing him either…

    I wonder if that’s the reason why Perez wants to leave? He doesn’t want to end up forgotten like Park!

  113. TR7

    Samir,

    Kane over Mbappe. Kane is a proven top class striker whereas Mbappe for all the hype surrounding him is still just a young talent. We would get neither of them though.

  114. Redtruth

    Player ratings against Spurs:

    Cech 7

    Several decent saves and could have been a landslide without his contribution

    Gabriel 5

    Booked. A resilient character at time but not one aspect of his game shines

    Koscielny 7

    Is a top-class operator but even he could not hold this defence together

    Monreal 5

    Booked. Too easily beaten on too many occasions, not quite up to the job

    Oxlade-Chamberlain 5

    Strangely inconsistent, surely not the best position for his talents

    Gibbs 5

    Did not now whether to stick or twist, attack or provide cover

    Xhaka 4

    Rarely can there have been a bigger liability to one of the elite teams

    Ramsey 5

    Little went right, control and passing accuracy regularly letting him down

    Ozil 5

    To say he is on the periphery too much is to be repetitive but true

    Sanchez 5

    Decent but might want to stop his relentless berating of team-mates

    Giroud 5

    Not getting any quicker and hardly leading the line with aggression

    SUBS

    Welbeck (Xhaka 64 mins) 6

    Bellerin (Gabriel 74 mins) 6

    Walcott (Giroud 80 mins)

  115. BergkampLegend

    “Gabriel 5
    Booked. A resilient character at time but not one aspect of his game shines”

    And he’s f*ck ugly.

  116. Bamford10

    Rambo

    No, Wenger getting a new contract will not prove that you lot were right.

    If the board meeting is contentious, if his getting a contract is/was not a foregone conclusion, if some present argue for him not to get a new contract, if some argue that a DOF be brought in and Wenger’s role reduced, then you lot were not correct.

    I mean no offense, but your thinking at times is a little simplistic.

  117. Carts

    Wallace

    Hold on a sec, cos you’re shuffling.

    You still haven’t explained:

    “Now explain to me why there’s only one winner in this situation?” (Re: Kante)

    Happy to say it for you if you want. Chelsea are a bigger team, showing more desire to be successful. Any top player, today, being offered identical terms would more than likely opt for Chelsea.

    So how did we get to this position? due to Wenger’s lack of adaptability and desire.

    His arrogant “know it all” attitude has been his downfall.

    Now you’ve implied that in a 2 horse race Chelsea will beat us to most player (though in reality this has nothing to do with Abramovich anymore, but success.)

  118. BergkampLegend

    “Arsenal are dead, they just haven’t ralised it.”

    And they’re not the only ones…

  119. Carts

    CC

    “utterly adored”. LOL.

    I suppose we all saw how utterly adored Arteta was when we signed him.

  120. Marko

    You’re a chump. Leave it a that and go about boring one of the other posters

    At least I never said he had an eye for talent. Was extremely embarrassing

  121. Bamford10

    Wenger has had massive resources at his disposal, yet he has not challenged for a PL title once in the past ten years. Not once.

    On top of this, he has been dishonest, he has talked up / sung the praises of average to poor players, has talked up / sung the praises of average to poor squads, has missed out on countless good players, has retained crocked players, has SIGNED crocked players, has overpaid average players, has insulted the fans, has claimed he built the club, and more.

    How anyone defends this man at this point is honestly one of the wonders of the world. It will be discussed for a long time to come.

  122. Wallace

    Carts

    “Now you’ve implied that in a 2 horse race Chelsea will beat us to most player (though in reality this has nothing to do with Abramovich anymore, but success.)”

    so…the one has nothing to do with the other?