Arsenal Protest > DO NOTHING | Wenger trots out humiliating excuse

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It’s a big day today, Arsene Wenger is aware of the protest, that of the ‘DO NOTHING’ variety, that may or may not take place this evening.

I don’t have a ticket, but I wouldn’t go. Dicking a few teams on their holiday’s after the total capitulation on all fronts we’ve faced this season (FA Cup is coming) doesn’t have me convinced Wenger is right to lead us forward. The hope for the fans right now is that Ivan can utilise the leverage he may or may not have going into the big contract negotiations post season.

One item he might be able to lean on is the lack of fans in the ground. I had some back and forth about this online. Some people are saying that not going isn’t a protest… err… kind of the biggest protest you can make as a fan.

Protesting outside the ground is a bit ridiculous when you think about it. It’s kind of like standing outside a restaurant you used to enjoy, waving your ‘HEAD CHEF OUT’ placard, then going inside, and ordering a bottle of red with the best filet mignon on the menu.

Choosing not to show up to a ticket you’ve paid for when we’re about to lose football for 3 months is literally the most agressive form of dissent open to a fan. An empty seat is symbolic. In fact, one of the reasons the Premier League has such mega TV deals is the PASHUN the home fans have for the game. 93% capacity across the land. Quite remarkable. Italian football is more technical than ours, but they play to empty stands. Outside the major clubs in Spain, you don’t get full capacity week in week out. So when people say the club won’t pay attention, it’s a nonsense.

If you’re a brand like Adidas, and Ivan is asking you for £70m to sponsor the shirt after Puma… what are you going to say to screw that number down?

“Mate, you can’t even fill your ground every week and the atomsphere if f*cking toxic online. Why would I put my brand there?’

Do you think Chelsea struggled to fill the ground last night? No way. How many times do you think Spurs had 12.5% of their home fans missing this season (average number of fans missing in 2014 can you believe!)?  How many times have Liverpool struggled to fill their ground this season? Not many… but we have Arsene as our overlord, and he offers up a boring product. However, he does try and sell it as something special. This is him yesterday on the Bayern game and his lack of progress this season.

“I think we suffered a lot when we went out of the Champions League under special circumstances. If you look at just the first halves, we would have qualified.

“Would 75 points be progress? I don’t want to go into conclusions too early but it shows that if we can make 75 points it is good because I won the championship with 78.

“You had basically two leagues, with the top six and everyone else.”

Worst thing is some fans will be nodding along to this sort of tripe. This is the manager of Arsenal FC, one of the most prestigious sporting clubs on the planet, and that’s how he’s framing going out of the Champions League 10-2. Also, ‘special circumstances’, no mate, exactly the same ones for 7 years running at the same point in the competition. The special circumstance is you’re the only manager in Europe who can’t be fired for being a bad coach.

So anyway, back to my point. Don’t go this evening. Make a point. The media now know about it. Arsene knows about it. Every empty red seat will make and impact and attack his power at the end of the month.

It’s your last chance to make an impact in an easy game.

In other news, absolute banter that Wenger swiped at teams “being on holiday” when he’s overseen 3 easy victories against teams taking it so easy, they were sneezing mojitos. Mourinho even came out and said of the last few games, “in this moment the Premier League is just matches we don’t want to play.”

Well, Pep G came out and had a pop back at the mind games clearly aimed at derailing his City and Klopp’s Liverpool.

“I never saw one player in my life go to the pitch and don’t try to win the game and when the target is done, it’s done, but so if you don’t want that, win more games yourself, or qualify before or win the champions league, and after we don’t have the problems for the other ones.”

He also made the point that I just made a few paragraphs up.

“Yeah, but he [Wenger] plays against Everton and Sunderland, no? Both teams are done, no? One is relegated and one is in the Europa League, so it’s the same situation, so you don’t want to complain, do it better during in the season and you will not have this problem.”

There isn’t much to talk about regarding the starting line up, Sanchez is nursing a kicked thigh. Outside that, I’d be surprised not to see a similar side to the Southampton one. It’s going to be drab, Sunderland are awful and finished, we have perked up now #Top4 is on, so we’ll probably win. Let’s just hope it’s in a fairly empty ground so the focus of the match report is disgruntled fans.

Final ask, we’re running a podcast this evening, we have a number you can call to tell us what you think should happen with Arsene Wenger moving forward.

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Leave your name, where you’re from, and what you’d like to see happen as we close out the season. BE NICE.

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531 Responses to “Arsenal Protest > DO NOTHING | Wenger trots out humiliating excuse”

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  1. Dissenter

    Bamford and Jim
    Agree to disagree and move on.
    Right now it’s become a petty circular argument. You both sound like Angela Merkel arguing with Donald Trump.

  2. TR7

    Sczesney has returned back to Arsenal. What would you guys want us to do with him ? I have always liked the guy despite his rash and maverick style, I think he’s very talented. Seems to have done well at Roma,hopefully he has matured now. I can see Ospina leaving and Cheezer competing with Cech for no 1 position.

  3. Jim Lahey

    @Red –

    Who would you like to see come in this summer?

    One thing I must give you credit for was for calling Jan Oblak long before others did.

  4. Carts

    “Okay how about this… £90m this summer –

    Who are we buying? £150m this summer –

    Who are we buying? What are the areas we need to improve on??”

    We need a Grand Design style renovation, from top to bottom.

    But to focus on players then after selling 10-14 we’d easily make £120m.

    Add in our “war chest” that’s £190m.

    Koulibally
    Diawara/Naby
    Mertens/Bernardo
    Icardi/Auba/
    Werner/Dolberg
    Sessegnon
    Keylor/Rulli

    A realistic mix of 6 players from that mob would suffice

  5. Jim Lahey

    @Carts –

    That is a Grand Design style renovation! I don’t think we will see many leaving the club this summer though. Sanchez could be the big loss but can’t see a lot of the deadwood being moved on.

  6. TR7

    I for one wasn’t much impressed by Bakoyoko if his CL exploits are anything to go by. Bernardo Silva and Rabiot are absolute quality though.

  7. Wallace

    Carts

    “…if he was baulking at £30m players, knowing full well that his tried and tested method of buying unproven cheap players was never going to win him shit.”

    ironic this discussion’s about replacing Cesc, among other things, bearing in mind the above.

  8. Micheal

    Sczesney ?

    He will never be a top flight ‘keeper as long as he has a hole in arse. Lacks judgement. Great athlete and fine shop-stopper. But unsure about coming off his line, does not take crosses well and panics under pressure. Does not have temperament or judgement for top level.

  9. Wallace

    TR7

    the bits I’ve seen of him (Bakayoko) I think he’d make a perfect partner for Xhaka in the centre. physically imposing, great athlete, a beast in the tackle, good on the ball…might have been overshadowed by some of his colleagues in the latter stages of the CL, but was still impressed by him.

  10. Carts

    Wallace

    Instead of answering the question you’d much rather talk in parables, trying to be smart

    We were already fighting a losing battle with Cesc because he could see Wenger wasn’t up to the task.

    For example, We hadn’t won shit since 2005, at that point. Wenger’s kiddy approach and lack of management was the reason we lost to Birmingham City in the cup final.

  11. Carts

    Lahey

    Sadly, I agree with you. How Wenger can’t see that he needs whole sale changes is beyond me.

  12. Wallace

    Carts

    “We were already fighting a losing battle with Cesc because he could see Wenger wasn’t up to the task.”

    all i’m saying is Wenger obviously thought there was a chance he could talk him into staying, they were very close at the time, and put all his eggs in that basket. with hindsight it was a dumb move, and left us exposed, but without knowing the details of the conversations they had we can’t just assume it was a foregone conclusion that he was headed out the door.

  13. Mr.J

    “….worth remembering when we baulked at going from 22m to 30m+ for Higuain that our record transfer at the time was still Sylvain Wiltord…. ”

    was that not either Reyes or Arshavin?

  14. Elmo

    “Just cos my neighbour, in the £1.5m house eats Wagyu beef for dinner, doesn’t mean that, I , who lives in a £500k flat, has to eat fox shit for dinner, does it?”

    Lol!

  15. Dissenter

    Michael,
    “He will never be a top flight ‘keeper as long as he has a hole in arse. Lacks judgement. Great athlete and fine shop-stopper. But unsure about coming off his line, does not take crosses well and panics under pressure. Does not have temperament or judgement for top level.';

    Grossly unfair
    Have you seen him play recently.
    He’s matured a lot but he will regress if he returns to the management of Gerry Patyon et al.

  16. Dissenter

    Thomas Lemar is the player to get at Monaco, not Bagayoko.
    Legrove is a mega echo chamber, the chants for one player just reverberates on and on.
    Lemar is the engine of Monaco

  17. Wallace

    Mr. J

    “was that not either Reyes or Arshavin?”

    maybe…but we’re still talking 13-15m range. my point was back then us agreeing to pay 21m for a player was a big deal. for Madrid to then bump the price up to 32m…there wasn’t much of a clamour on here for us to match the fee. a lot of people thought it was too steep.

  18. Marko

    Might be an idea final home game of the season also televised get thousands of Wenger out placards going for the lap around the pitch. Make it blatantly obvious if it wasn’t already that under no circumstances should a new deal be offered

  19. jasongms

    Jim / Bamford, you’re both arguing over semantics, get over it

    ‘Money is king’ with the caveat being, a judicious financial model being adhered to with a planning horizon (DOF) and not give licence to a manager that had little to no experience with financial planning and valuation in the real world, save a degree in economics. (no matter how many substitutions he claims to have made)

    and B’ where circumspection is measured by the level of success and not failure. in other words don’t ever offer 40m +1 again you f’king coward.

    what I’m getting at here is that you can have all the money in the world, but if you don’t have a system in place that acknowledges and then sanctions highest and best use of said monies, then its welcome to the current Arsenal.

  20. Joel

    The problem over the last decade hadn’t necessarily revolved around lack of spending on transfers…It’s been more a case of the inability to significantly improve the abilities of these signings.Arsenal no longer seem to represent the “sum of their parts”.There can be no doubt that many of these players have had a great deal of potential but in most cases this has remained unfulfilled.Whilst injuries haven’t always helped in their development neither has a lack of playing continuity;no clear strategic plan;a wage structure that rewards a lack of real success;and an obvious inability to use up -to -date coaching methods.The Ox,for example, has been playing at Arsenal for 6 years and all the Manager seems to know is that he can effectively play in a multiple number of positions.There is a fair chance that a young player who undoubtedly has as much natural ability as the likes of Dele Ali could leave the Club in search of first team football and proper coaching.As things stand how many other players at Arsenal would want to stay at a Club that has no real ambition and therefore fails to develop the abilities of its players?….Presumably only the likes of Jenkinson, Gibbs,Gabriel,Debuchy and Sanogo who aren’t good enough to be playing at such a club in the first place.
    Otherwise I was forced to laugh at Wenger’s claim that Arsenal’s 4th Place competition had benefitted from other teams being “on holiday”..A comment that could only be a case of “pot/kettle/black”;as Arsenal’s recent resurgence has undoubtedly benefitted for these very same reasons.It now,however, seems to be a case of “too little too late” and forth place is extrely doubtful.Hopegully this means that the Board will finally see through the “Emperor’s New Clothes” and realise that whatever Wenger initially brought to Arsenal Football Club has long since ceased to be of any practical use.

  21. jasongms

    Carts
    Is Wenger still the architect in this Grand Design style renovation?

    because if he is, we may as well just dig a hole and throw money in it haha

  22. gambon

    In terms of what we need this summer, it kind of depends on what formation we are going to play, but as a bare minimum:

    1- A top goalscorer to take the burden off of Sanchez
    2- A whole new Central Midfield
    3- A top centre back
    4- A top goalkeeper
    5- A left back (Kolasinac?)

    We will also have to replace Sanchez or Ozil if they leave.

    I would like to see us play 3-5-2,

    Something like:

    ————————————New GK

    ——–Mustafi—————-New CB————–Koscielny

    Bellerin/Ox——–New CM———-New CM————–Kolasinac

    ———————————–Ozil

    ————New CF————————————Sanchez

    I would maybe bring back Szczesny as the GK. I havent watched much of him, but have heard hes been excellent and improving season on season away on loan.

    In an absolutely ideal world, I would sign:

    CB – Varane
    CM – Alcantara
    CM – Naby Keita
    CF- Aubemeyang

    Im not saying we can sign all of these, but for me thats the standard of player we need to sign to challenge for the PL. If it means selling half the squad to buy 5 top players, then do it.

    I would sell:

    Ospina
    Jenkinson
    Debuchy
    Mertesacker
    Gabriel
    Gibbs
    Coquelin
    Wilshere
    Ramsey
    Elneny
    Campbell
    Walcott
    Perez
    Akpom

    Plus a load of substandard kids.

    That would raise c£140m I would imagine,

    We could easily go and spend £300m if we wanted,

    Of course this wont happen. Heres what will happen.

    1- We will sell Sanchez
    2- We will give Ozil a ridiculous contract
    3- We will sign 1 or 2 players
    4- Next season we will still see Ramsey, Wilshere, Coquelin, Walcott etc stinking the place up

  23. Micheal

    Dissenter
    Grossly unfair
    Have you seen him play recently.
    He’s matured a lot but he will regress if he returns to the management of Gerry Patyon et al.
    ====
    Agree about Peyton. I have seen the odd game this season. But I will always have doubts about basic ‘keeping – positioning, coming off the line, panicking under pressure. A good shot stopper. But 5 out of 10.

  24. westlondongoon

    Christ lads, you all gone a bit machine gun on here today.

    Look (sic), we have an owner who sees us as purely a business opportunity, Chelsea have an owner who sees his team as a penis extension with each subsequent manager simply a different flavour of condom in which to sheath his ever-growing tool, and City have owners who simply have too much money to knw what to do with. (Although if you look at what they have done to the area around Salford, they clearly feel that there is an element of legacy to their investment, whereas Stan doesn’t have the slightest interest in Holloway/Highbury/Islington.)

    None of this matters thhough if the football manager simply isn’t up to the job. Look at the word…manager – the man responsible for organizing and controlling the football side of the business. People scoff at managers in our league such as Eddie Howe or Sean Dyche, by using some of the finance based arguments on here, they should only be getting a handful of points a year, but, as good man managers and vitally, good organisers, they get their players to play better for the team as a whole.

    If Wenger were your manager at work, would he inspire you? Especially when you hear some of the rubbish that he spouts in press conferences, or the fact that he hasn’t apparently commited either way to the club going forward. Add to this the fact that the players are often sent out with minimal instruction for games and it gives you a portrait of a fairly weak character. Would you really want to bust a gut for him when he, himeslf, can’t even be honest with the club himself?

    The man is a snake; he’s not particularly good at his job; he provides poor value for money in modern football.

    I can’t wait until he’s gone.

  25. TR7

    Red

    “You missed out Cech, Mustafi and Xhaka as surplus to requirements…”

    Lol true. These 3 have cost us more games this season than any other player.

  26. Carts

    Gambon

    Fair points. But how dissimilar will player recruitment look if 4-3-3 was the formation?

    Massive reservation about Varane’s fitness. I can see Utd getting lulled into signing him.

  27. gambon

    4-3-3 would involve selling Ozil and replacing with a top wide forward.

    We would still need a CB, 2 x CMs and a CF as well.

    4-3-3:

    ——————————-New GK

    Bellerin————New CB———–Koscielny———–Kolasinac

    ———–New CM————-Xhaka———–New CM

    –New AM—————–New CF—————-Sanchez

    Realistically if Sanchez wants out, and we want to change to 4-3-3, we would have to buy almost a whole new team.

    As i say, it doesnt matter, with Wenger likely to stay, we are going into next season with pretty much the same team.

    The same team, same coaches, same problems, same weaknesses, same lack of preparation, same lack of accountability, same excuses, same struggles against good teams.

  28. Marko

    Auba or Belotti and a top quality CB like Varane/Manolas/Gimenez are a must. Then that fucking midfield. Christ the squad needs a lot of work. That’s what happens when you have someone who failed to address squad issues year after year after year

  29. Do one gambon

    I think people are being harsh on Xhaka.

    If he had proper coaching and the team itself had proper tactics to stop him being exposed all the time then I think he’d be much better.

    In fact he has been a lot better recently since the change in formation.

    Technique wise theres a real player in there

    And TR7 I’d keep scz seeing as ospina is probably off.

  30. Ishola70

    lol Holding not in these line-ups but Xhaka in every one.

    Xhaka is going to continue to be far more costly to this team in comparison to Holding being a regular starter in a back three.

  31. Ishola70

    Do one gambon:
    “I think people are being harsh on Xhaka.”

    Strange player. He looks good when he is on the ball but a complete donkey off it.

    It’s like you are watching two different players on the pitch.

    And his temperament and mentality are very suspect.

    He’s going to do good things but continue to be a liability in others.

    Overall think it is not a good signing by Wenger.

  32. Dissenter

    Kolasinac is a very good signing, a little notch below excellent.
    Getting a good player on a free transfer requires a lot of surveillance and painstaking follow-up.

  33. TR7

    Funny that Holding who was signed for peanuts turned out to be a far better signing than any of the big money signings we made last season. Perhaps our best bargain buy since Santi Cazorla.

  34. Do one gambon

    Ishola

    Fair comments.

    Its why I suggest proper coaching. He’s obviously a bit dence (got done for being racist to a white woman when he’s white himself lol). I think he literally needs to be told what to do which as we know isn’t wengeys way.

    I think we need to give him another season before judging.

  35. steve

    Poor Wallace still trying to defend his God Wenger.

    @Carts

    “You’re a special case, kid.”

    I think you meant to say “special needs kid”.

  36. Redtruth

    Do one gambon
    “I think people are being harsh on Xhaka.
    If he had proper coaching and the team itself had proper tactics to stop him being exposed all the time then I think he’d be much better.”

    That maybe true with regard to Coquelin but not Xhaka..

  37. Champagne charlie

    Xhaka has been our best CM this season, whether people want to critique him for this or that it’s pretty undeniable that he’s been above all else.

    He’s not got a CM partner that balances us, and the system we play has often left him and us woefully exposed centrally.

    He’s a fantastic player in the right system. He proved this at Gladbach. I won’t ever ride a player after less than a season in the prem either, there’s no science to adjustment. Pires would have been flogged on his first year.

    No reason he can’t be a top CM for us in years to come.

  38. Redtruth

    Champagne charlie
    “He’s not got a CM partner that balances us, and the system we play has often left him and us woefully exposed centrally. He’s a fantastic player ”

    Xhaka needs someone to hold his hand ..lol

  39. David Smith

    Myles Palmer in his daily big up of Spurs…….just a shame that someone who makes a stand against Wenger and the board isn’t a proper arsenal fan, but a guy who genuinely despises the club and clearly supports its neighbour.
    We need better than him to fight the fight

  40. Marko

    Xhaka our best midfielder this season? I’d say Cazorla has been purely down to the fact he hasn’t kick a ball all season. Our midfield is that bad.

  41. Barking Arsene

    TR7

    Sorry, got sidetracked by my kids for a bit there!

    Point taken re: Juve & Bayern domestically, but still maintain they have to have efficient setups to achieve what they do.

    Schezza I like – he has been impressive in serie A.

    I’m really not sure if we should give him one more season out playing somewhere and then drop him in as number 1 after that, as I’m not sure being on the bench will help him.

    On the CF front Belotti is obviously a contender but I still like Icardi. He just has something about him.

  42. Dissenter

    I wonder how anyone can still take digs at Sczezny.
    Cech has been diabolically average for us. I can count the number of games that he saved pints for us…in single digits.
    Sczezny comes back as number one and Cech is the back up.

    I’m sure redtruth backs me me up.

  43. Joe

    Xhaka our best mf

    Jeaus.

    Not that is says much as our mf has been shit all season but xhaka the best?

    Ha

  44. Guns of Hackney

    You lot really don’t get it yet, do you.

    What makes you think any the players you list would come to Arsenal in the first place?

    Secondly, if they did decide to take a punt on Arsenal…Arsene would still be their manager.

    …and that trumps all.

  45. Joe

    Xhaka our best midfielder this season? I’d say Cazorla has been purely down to the fact he hasn’t kick a ball all season. Our midfield is that bad.

    Now i know why Champagne charlie has backed Wenger and now Xhake because he can’t read the game!!!

    RedtruthMay 16, 2017 18:00:48
    Wasn’t Xhaka supposed to take us to the next level..lol

    Hahaha. Exactly my sentiments

  46. Marko

    I’d honestly prefer getting rid of Cech and Chesney and moving for someone like Bernd Leno or Timo Horn. Both class and young keepers very attainable too. Or maybe having someone like Alban Lafont who’s a young and super hot prospect backing up Cech. Either way Wolly is gone has to.

    In saying all that if Wenger stays nothing will change in that area. How many years did he neglect the goalkeeping position? He’s never taken it seriously

  47. Champagne charlie

    As I stated, I won’t ride a player with less than a season in the prem.

    Xhaka has shown he’s not the finished article, but he was never going to be. Another victim of “not being X” the same way Giroud gets lambasted. In Xhakas case he’s getting compared to Kante, which is nuts.

    He’s a quality player, and only 24.

  48. Joe

    Wenger on transfers: “To buy doesn’t necessarily mean success. There is a shortage of top level players”

    Yeah it’s Kronke holding wenger back

    Wenger: “If we finish outside the top four, it will maybe be down to one point. One point would be difficult to swallow” #Arsenal

    How many points did we lose when wenger admitted he didn’t have the team ready for opening day?

  49. Joe

    As I stated, I won’t ride a player with less than a season in the prem.

    You just also said he was our best MF?

    So either you won’t ride him because it’s his first year(implying he wasn’t very good) or he was our best MF

    Which is it?

  50. Joe

    Xhaka has been bad in most of the matches he’s played this season.

    He’s been called out on here by most after most matches.

    He’s get run past every game like he standing still.

    Makes no impact on games

    You’re right. He is young. But he was definitely not our best. Our MF was shit this season. Xhaka was bad

  51. steve

    westlondongoonMay 16, 2017 18:43:54
    Loads of fans have come dressed as empty seats tonight

    ___

    Don’t worry. It’s sold out every time according to Wenger.

    Not enough empty seats imo. The place should be completely empty as far as I’m concerned.

  52. Guns of Hackney

    The stadium looks pretty full to me.

    Whoever turned up obviously agrees with the way the club is heading.

    That’s why one has to withdraw total support.

    Out

  53. Marc

    You need to give it 15 minutes before making a judgement call on the attendance. You always get a boat load of stragglers for mid week matches.

    I wouldn’t bet on it filing up and looking at the lower tier East Stand it looks half empty. You’d expect people to go for cheaper tickets if buying on ticket exchange or general sale.

  54. Marko

    In Xhakas case he’s getting compared to Kante, which is nuts.

    How’s it nuts. Similar age. Both moved for a similar fee when we needed a proper DM signed. One’s coming off a player of the year season while the other is unfortunately considered one of the worst signings of the year.

    Hardly unfair to compare both players

  55. Champagne charlie

    Joe

    I know you’re slow, but it’s not very hard to grasp..

    He’s been our best Cm this season. I acknowledge our midfield has been poor, but I also won’t ride a player who hasn’t played a full season in the prem.

  56. Champagne charlie

    Marko

    They’re not the same type of midfielder, are you serious?

    One is purely destructive, one is a pivot that dictates play from deep.

  57. Marko

    Right Charlie but which one did we need more? The ball playing one who can’t tackle or the ball winning super fast one who’s deceptively very good at passing?

    The comparison is nuts is it? We needed a midfielder to improve us last summer we could of bought Kante but decided to sign Xhaka

  58. Marc

    Marko

    It’s not the players fault he’s not the player we needed or played in a system that suits him.

    He hasn’t been great but you need to give a player a season – Pogba’s played over here before by your reasoning ManU should ship him out on a free.

  59. Champagne charlie

    Marko

    Right, so because we needed a more defensive player that makes Xhaka less of a player? Got it.

    Xhaka isn’t shit because we should’ve got Kante is my point. He’s a quality player, arguably the wrong signing given our needs but he’s not a poor player by anyone’s standards

  60. Marc

    Steve

    Apparently we’ve also had a record night on burger, hotdog and beer sales. There must really be a couple of seriously gluttonous alcoholic fuckers there tonight.

  61. Marko

    I’m not saying let’s totally give up on him Marc and even last summer I was all for him AND Kante being signed but in no way shape or form has Xhaka had a good season or be considered our best midfielder this season which is what Charlie said. He also said it’s nuts to compare both players I disagree with that also. I’d also add looking at what Xhaka does and what’s considered to be his role I would honestly argue given his price last summer and what apparently Youri Tielemens is moving to Monaco for this summer that we may have once again shown poor judgment in the transfer market. Shocking I know

  62. Ishola70

    Mustafi has such an annoying habit of stopping playing when he is looking for an officials decision.

  63. Marc

    Marko

    I just don’t seeing players pilloried for the managers mistakes. Our midfield has been fucking atrocious this season especially after Santi got injured.

    Mustafi started well but has been bloody awful since he came back form injury. Before we ship everyone out I’d like to see what they could do under another manager.

    Of course not saying we don’t need any additions or improvements.

  64. Marko

    Right, so because we needed a more defensive player that makes Xhaka less of a player? Got it. Xhaka isn’t shit because we should’ve got Kante is my point. He’s a quality player, arguably the wrong signing given our needs but he’s not a poor player by anyone’s standards

    No Xhaka’s shit because he’s having a shit season. He’s shit until otherwise. Both midfielders both went for a similar price and last summer we needed a quality midfielder. How dare we compare both players.

    Even now in a game against the worst team in the league they’re sauntering past our midfield and having shots. Our midfield is honestly awful

  65. Wenker-wanger

    Discussions about Wenger’s possible transfer acquisitions….. Couple of unknowns, couple of overpriced average players, couple of French lightweights, couple of skilfull players with suspect heart and workrate,
    couple of defenders that are good going forward but can’t defend, a fox in the box that will warm the bench 90% of the time. Oh and a dynamic box to box player that scores goals but sadly is injury prone.
    Oh yes and a man utd reject, _35, that Wenger will meet in tesco and convince him he has a future at arsenal.
    Don’t forget sanogoal is coming back!
    Fckin useless tosser.

  66. Marko

    I just don’t seeing players pilloried for the managers mistakes. Our midfield has been fucking atrocious this season especially after Santi got injured

    To be fair Marc I’ll put a lot of blame where blame is due on Wenger but with Xhaka you honestly can’t blame him for that. The player has been making poor decisions all by himself this season and the tackling? Shocking to say the least. We needed a midfielder who can play the ball and can tackle last summer and decided on Xhaka who literally can’t tackle

  67. Paulinho

    Xhaka is average. Good long passer, but nothing more.

    As per usual – like with Wenger – it will take the usual suspects a bit( alot) longer to realise that, even then they will try and claim they never rated him that much in the first place. He just wasn’t ‘as terrible’ as people made out, and Wenger was too blame by not installing some sort of propeller in his shorts to make him move faster.

  68. Ishola70

    Marc:

    ” Mustafi started well but has been bloody awful since he came back form injury. Before we ship everyone out I’d like to see what they could do under another manager.”

    Tbf Mustafi has always been a rash defender. Vermaelenish in jumping in. His highlights compilations video while he was at Valencia showed him jumping in and winning tackles and the comments section was like what a great defender. Of course the video didn’t highlight how many times he sold himself when jumping in.

    tbh I’m not even sure he is a proper CB in the strictest sense. Just as much a fullback type.

  69. Marko

    Marko So who’s been our best central midfielder this season? Do tell

    Whole midfield is diabolical but if Ozil is considered a midfielder then him for having his best goalscoring return at 11/12 goals. But definitely not Xhaka. Barely started at the beginning of the season, has gotten sent off what 3 times? And rarely finishes 90 minutes. Says a lot about our expectations these days if we’re happy with the season Xhaka’s just had

  70. Wenker-wanger

    Xhaka is a good player, just playing for a manager that hasn’t a clue.
    Messi would only be 50% the player he is under Wenger…….so perhaps xhaka, Ramsey, ballerin etc shouldn’t be judged too harshly playing for a manager that in effect removes the studs from their boots.
    0-0 v Sunderland……..impressive , Wenger.

  71. Marc

    Marko

    “We needed a midfielder who can play the ball and can tackle last summer and decided on Xhaka who literally can’t tackle”

    The worst part of that statement is Wenger came out and said pretty much the same thing – the guy who fucking signed him. Again I just think it’s unfair to blame players for being put in a position where they are exposed. Xhaka’s distribution at times is fantastic and in the right system could be a real asset but I just don’t think we have a system, philosophy or a clue most of the time.

  72. Marko

    I will say this season has been a real eye opener regarding Coquelin. He somewhat justified a squad place for his exploits last season but this season he’s been absolutely anonymous. He’d honestly struggle to get into a Toulouse or St Etienne midfield this season

  73. Champagne charlie

    Marko

    No Ozil isn’t a central midfielder, he’s clearly one of the forwards.

    Xhaka, Cazorla, Elneny, Rambo, Ox, Coquelin, Jack. All our options in the middle.

    Xhaka has been the best of the lot (cazorla/jack not included). Pretty sure he’s played the most minutes of any of them too despite it being his first season and is having literally no midfield balance. As you were with your condemnation though.

  74. Paulinho

    Regardless of what system you play him in at certain points in a game Xhaka will get pressed by canny opposition and end up giving a hospital pass to an unsuspecting defender who’s not expecting the ball, and we will lose possession as a result, and probably a chance. Or he will try and shield the ball and make a mess of it and we will lose possession.

    How you can hope to build a title winning side around a central fault of st andreas proportion is beyond me. All that liability for the odd decent switch of play when the full back makes an obvious run.

  75. Marko

    Marc I hear you but Xhaka all by himself has been awful this season. System aside he hasn’t been a success. He might next season be but not unless we bring in a change in formation and personal. In all fairness the things he’s supposedly good at I feel we probably would of been better off signing someone like Manu Trigueros of Villarreal or Tielemens or Goretska or Tollisso or even his teammate Dahoud. Sure none of them are considered decent tacklers either but they’re good passers and have pace about them.

    Also worth noting that once again last summer was another summer where we didn’t (even though we might of thought that we did) address the issue of a DM

  76. Champagne charlie

    Paulinho

    Do footballers not improve? Odd how that’s never a consideration when bashing the likes of Xhaka. He’s not the finished article at 24, who knew…

    You’ve been on his case since day you one and you’re going to continue down that road until he proves you right. Or you switch gears and say he’s “limited” or other such detractions.

  77. Paulinho

    And Monchengladbach were a decent side but the way some go on about them you would think they were early nineties Red Star Belgrade or something. We need to aspire higher to what worked for them.

  78. Relieable Sauce

    Ox has been the best midfielder, clearly…playing as wing back…for a handful of games.

    : /

    Shocking CM and realistically will be even worse next season.

    Official “attendance” (bullshit, cough, cough!)…59 510

    lol lol lol

  79. Paulinho

    Charlie – I’ve said he’s limited since day one as well. Hardly a retraction to repeat what I’ve said from the start.

  80. Marko

    Xhaka, Cazorla, Elneny, Rambo, Ox, Coquelin, Jack. All our options in the middle.

    I’d give it to Chamberlain then given he’s had a handful of decent to okay games at wing back. Even Ramsey gets the nod over Xhaka for the fact that he hasn’t been sentoff needlessly a few times.

  81. TR7

    I want Wenger gone as much as the next person but this thing about blaming the below par/average performances of players like Ramsey, Xhaka etc. on Wenger doesn’t make any sense to me. Seems like the easiest excuse these days to defend average players.

    Ramsey is good at only one thing that is hanging around the opposition box and making good runs which rarely amounts to anything, pretty much below average in every other aspect.

    Xhaka again has just one skill – making a good long pass to our wingers on the left side when he has acres of space, unimpressive in every other facet of his play.

  82. Marko

    Do footballers not improve? Odd how that’s never a consideration when bashing the likes of Xhaka. He’s not the finished article at 24, who knew…

    Point remains he’s had a poor season though. And for the money we paid we could of bought someone better. Once again another example of bad judgment in the transfer market. Tielemens is going to Monaco for 19 million this summer. Wonderful passer of the ball gets around the pitch well and considered a red hot prospect. If we signed him last summer he’d of been giving slack considering his age and the outlet paid for him. But Xhaka 4/5 years older and for 35 million should be better

  83. westlondongoon

    Monreal at wing back has given us far more balance; Gibbs brings us nothing; he’s just another lucky recipient of the Wenger Wealth Creation scheme.

  84. Marc

    Can’t believe that I couldn’t’ be arsed to go tonight – I mean how can you pay for a ticket and then miss this level of entertainment?

    There’s what looks like an interesting documentary about to start on BBC 2 – I was going to record it but I think I’ll just turn over.

  85. Thanos

    Myself and 5 mates did not go we have the seats directly above the north bank goal you can’t miss that empty block tonight

  86. PhD07

    Can’t believe how crap we are. We’ve regressed so badly,it’s unreal.

    Just absolutely shocking in so many areas/departments.

  87. westlondongoon

    Wenger has even given up on the zipper on his coat, he’s just got it wrapped around him.

  88. Marko

    Classic Giroud. Does fuck all for 65 minutes but then nearly scores. Makes you wonder what it’d be like having a striker who’s dangerous for a whole game

  89. Champagne charlie

    This is where a Mahrez would destroy a team.

    Rambo out for the last two games with that tweak. Standard

  90. TitsMcGee

    It’s amazing how easily people are swayed by a few (not so important) victories at the tail-end of a shiiite season EVERY year.

    Even an Ostrich who buried it’s head in the sand aren’t as blind as Wenger supporters.

    Yaye we might finish top 4. Too stupid to realize that as soon as you forgive him the abuse starts all over again.

    It’s like a bird that gets beat on repeatedly by her husband but then takes him back after he promises the 99th time was the last.

  91. Thanos

    We need mahrez and 6 others st least hope we get sees we are not playing for him and goes.this is terrible