The board and Wenger play chicken with Arsenal’s future

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A quick roundup from me this morning.

We’ve landed Sead Kolasinac on a long-term deal, he comes in at £120k a week, so let’s pray he’s good. When the club are dropping free transfers like this, you have to pray it’s one of the new scouts recommending him, not Steve Rowley. I know very little about this left back. He’s powerfully built, has 7 assists and three goals this year, and I’m hoping he’s coming in to replace Kieran Gibbs who is utterly pointless.

On a seperate note, I’ve been told the club are going hard on transfers at the moment, trying their best to make sure our summer isn’t derailed by Arsene Wenger and his reluctance to sign a new deal.

It’s quite clear what’s going on there, the future of the football club is being put to one side as Ivan G and Wenger play a game of contract chicken.

Stan spending his time giving zero fucks as his LA Rams dream goes to shit.

Arsene Wenger knows the club are gearing up massive change for him. I’m not sure there’s much credence in the Michael Zorc rumours, but there is certainly going to be an attack on the dross Wenger surrounds himself with. Steve Rowley is way past it, Gerry Payton has been out of his depth for ten years, Tony Colbert is basically a glorified PT from you mum’s local gym, and Boro Piromac is about as dynamic as Robbie Savage in a pub quiz.

Wenger knows that Ivan has his sights set on ripping them out of the club, and he doesn’t want to have the difficult conversations. He can’t go into negotiations now. He ‘could’ make top 4 on the last game of the season if Liverpool shit the bed. He ‘could’ beat Chelsea in a cup final. Whatever you want to say about Arsenal, we have a team that should be challenging for the league. If we’re fired up, and we play with the attitude we have in the last two games, we could easily turn them over.

Going into contract negotiations with top 4 and an FA Cup next to you is leverage. Wenger is betting on that.

However, if it does go to shit, heading into negotiations with Europa League football and a rough Wembley spanking against a younger better manager… well, Wenger will be a different beast, he’ll be throwing his nan under the bus to earn a new deal and he’ll pretty much work with anyone thrown his way.

No one at Arsenal knows what’s going on. That’s from numerous people close the action. Gab Marcotti has heard Wenger might leave if he wins the FA Cup, others think he’s on for a one year deal… one thing is for sure, no contract has been signed. So stop telling me that’s what’s taken place, because it’s not true.

Arsenal are an Arsene away from being a genuinely huge club. We’re a Wenger away from being elite. You just have to work out what you want as a fan. A strong finish basted in glorious failure, or a hard fail, meaning Wenger is severely weakened… maybe to the point where he says, no thanks, I’m off.

Right, that’s your lot.

SEE YOU IN THE COMMENTS!

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  1. MrT

    Wenger built us a new stadium people always say. But everyone is building one now and their fans are happy

  2. Gommit

    Finally I managed to full fill my life-goal.. first and 4th trophy on the same post.. I really have to thank outlook today for not working properly and allowing me to have the time to read le-grove at the right momement :)

    p.s. Wenger out.. since 5th will likely be the new trophy next season..

  3. ArseneisaFraud

    First XI

    Glad to hear that AW has not signed any contracts. I just hope that comes end of season we can finally have what we are all hoping for:

    WENGER OUT!

  4. David Smith

    why is there even a conversation about a failing manager at the end of his contract.
    Think The Zorc has pretty much committed himself to his current team, but there are plenty out there.
    I wonder if wenger is dragging this out, and will continue to do so until Allegri and co are no longer available

  5. ArseneisaFraud

    DS

    It certainly feels that way. If it does turn out this way it would just show that he is a selfish man who clearly does not care for the club.

  6. R.S.P.C.Arsenal

    Like the read

    Ivan playing hardball breaking down the foundations surrounding Wenger .

    But if he does go have we left it to late to get to get the right replacement?

    Let’s see how loyal Wenger is to his cronies …

  7. R.S.P.C.Arsenal

    So europa next season means next season will be a shit year …

    Oh to be a gooner right now ….

  8. David Smith

    Had heard that Samir, but wasnt sure.
    Doubt if we can get Simeoni, Jardim…possible PSG target…..Valverde…heard Barca want him.
    Still leaves Sampaoli, Tuchel, Lowe, the Napoli manager whose name escapes me, Favre…and…erm…Eddie Howe and Pelligrini

  9. Leftsidesanch

    True, lots of speculation but can’t be said for sure what’s happening. That being said, top 4 is as good as finished. Assuming that Liverpool don’t do the job v Middlesbrough – can you trust a Wenger led Arsenal to get over over a Koeman led Everton? Koeman and Poch are becoming the next coming of Jose for Wenger in the league.

    That being said, if Arsenal win the FA cup theres a good chance the inevitable is delayed for a few more painful years. Weng out!

  10. OleGunner

    Wenger on the loss to Bayern this morning:

    “I think we suffered a lot when we went out of the Champions League under special circumstances. If you look at just the first halves, we would have qualified.”

    He’s genuinely mental isn’t he?
    Oh well two more years pretty please Arsene. I don’t know where Arsenal would ever go without your continued magnificence./sarcasm

  11. David Smith

    Can only agree with Wenger on the Bayern game, sending out a team against Bayern with no plan to stop, or deal with the likes of Lewandowski, and other highly talented players is pretty unique…and “special”

  12. augie

    I THINK, that the story about allegri signing a new deal is a bit premature – last I read, it suggested that a new contract is close/agreed, but yet to be signed. I could be wrong on this, and maybe I am just clutching at any hope I can muster that this French fcuker is outa here in a few weeks.
    If the club think that keeping the senile arrogant outdated fool as manager is acceptable, then they are in for a rude awakening – I know that I certainly wont renew and I suspect that there will be thousands of others taking the same action

  13. WestLondonGoon

    Sampaoli has taken the Argentina national team job. We could however, have any manager in the world if we wanted,just have to pay the compo.

    How anyone at the club has let it drag on this long just shows that all parties who constantly claim to have ‘Arsenal’s best interests at heart’ are just servicing their own egos.

    ‘4 ponts better than last year……still mathematically possible…..hostile environment…..a finish outside the top 4 will not affect our transfer targets…..I focus on the next game……’ Does he really believe all this crap he comes out with?

  14. OleGunner

    WengerIn
    Stagnation is irrelevant
    Let the Dictator roll on
    It’s his club
    4 more years please.

  15. Boomslang

    Hasselbaink on sky sports declaring his love for Wenger and deflecting blame from him..

    Fuck all these ass licking ex players. Can’t stand the lot of them.

  16. Dissenter

    Pedro,
    ” There is certainly going to be an attack on the dross Wenger surrounds himself with. Steve Rowley is way past it, Gerry Payton has been out of his depth for ten years, Tony Colbert is basically a glorified PT from you mum’s local gym, and Boro Piromac is about as dynamic as Robbie Savage in a pub quiz.”
    You left out Steve Bould?
    He’s utter nonsense too.

  17. Marko

    Plenty available. Tuchel, Sampaoli, Valverde, Jardim Luis Enrique I’d take any of them over Wenger. Besides our budget and the fact we’d be willing to pay the next upwards of about 8.5 million a year we are an attractive offer to a manager mostly cause the bar has been set so low under Wenger. Honestly if the new guy came in and just bought a decent striker right away he’s better and the fans will love him. If he comes in and challenges for the title past November and makes it to the last 8 in Europe right away he’s a massive improvement and fans will get behind him

  18. Marko

    Pushed on the recent trend of empty seats, Wenger claimed those matches were sell-outs, as Arsenal judge attendance on tickets sold before the event rather than the number of supporters inside the stadium.

    “Yes, but that doesn’t mean we are not sold out,” he replied when asked about the empty seats.

    “I think we are always sold out so I don’t know where you get that impression.”

    They don’t care either way as long as they get your money

  19. don

    Beating two teams on the beach Southampton and Stoke when the pressure is off doesnt mean we will beat the best team in the country.

  20. Micheal

    “I think we are always sold out so I don’t know where you get that impression.”
    They don’t care either way as long as they get your money
    =======================

    There used to be a football club at N5.

  21. Leftsidesanch

    @Marko so utterly depressing.

    Such a shameless man, I would describe him in less polite terms but I’m using my work laptop.

  22. Snowman

    We should really look to raid Real for anyone they choose to sell. Morata, Benzema, Kovacic. Kovacic would be a dream. I don’t think Isco is going anywhere.

    Trying to deviate from the fact that we have a dictator with memory loss.

  23. Leftsidesanch

    “It shows that if you can make 75 points it’s a decent total because I won the Premier League (in 1998) with 78. We have created a momentum again”

    WHAT??!?

  24. Leftsidesanch

    And it get’s even better.

    “If we finish outside the top four it will be down to one point and one point will be hard to swallow.

    “Our chance is just to win our games. We have 69 points but our target is to get to 75.

    “That would be four points more than last year. We have created the momentum again. Overall, the only chance we have to be in the top four is to win our games.”

  25. Bamford10

    Wenger is really desperate at moment. Asking the fans not to boycott Sunderland, offering pathetic rationalizations for his failure in the PL & CL this season. Fingers crossed this all ends with him leaving the club soon.

  26. Bamford10

    Wenger saying the club’s transfer policy will not change this summer even if we finish outside the top four is a bad sign. Suggests he thinks he’ll be staying on for at least another year.

  27. N5

    Good post Pedro. The other day Dixon was saying the same thing about Wenger leaving. He thinks if he wins the FA cup, he’ll be able to leave with his head held high and use that to duck out the club hoping it’s the last action that we’ll remember him for and not all the other rubbish.

  28. Otto Von B.

    We pay 8.5m for Wenger. Conte is on less but walked the league. Errrr…….hello, Mr Kronenke, you could pay less for a better manager and take a higher consultancy fee with zero cash impact on the club. Win win, no?

  29. Ishola70

    The overall policy of Arsenal’s transfer dealings will not change due to dropping out of the Champions League so he is not wrong on that count.

    Wenger targets certain players 99% of the time that would not even demand Champions League football. Being put on a much better wage is enough for these players.

    Players like Sanchez and Ozil represent the 1% of Wenger’s transfer dealings.

  30. Bamford10

    Ishola

    You talk as if you yourself were the chairman of the board. All Wenger means by that is that he will continue to call the shots re transfers, there will be no DOF brought in, and he will not simply spend to satisfy others.

    Of course, spending per se is no longer the problem, as Wenger has spent plenty over the past 5-6 years — and he could’ve spent more — and we are still terrible.

    Wenger absolutely must go.

  31. Bamford10

    Ishola

    Also, whatever you think of them personally, both Xhaka and Mustafi were fairly big signings. 30-35m.

  32. Marko

    “It shows that if you can make 75 points it’s a decent total because I won the Premier League (in 1998) with 78. We have created a momentum again”WHAT??!?

    He did not just say that. Fucking hell.

    I also love how he says finishing outside the top 4 won’t change the clubs transfer policy. So we’ll continue to do our business in late August and be left behind… good to know

  33. Ishola70

    Price was big for them yes but they are players brought one from a middling club in Germany who are Europa League level who had a few good seasons punching above their weight and Mustafi was signed from that madhouse club Valencia who have been in freefall for years so Mustafi himself must have been delighted to get away from there.

    Scope for transfers has been the same for years. Target decent to good players from middling/struggling clubs. Once in a blue moon sign discards from the real top clubs.

    Realistically this is the scope Arsenal would be dealing in with any manager in charge.

  34. Ishola70

    The only difference now is that the club have more money to throw at these
    decent to goodplayers brought from the middling/struggling clubs and the selling clubs know that so price is hiked up.

  35. Marko

    That’s actually one of the things that has confused me for years. This fear of change because keeping him on meant continuing to get top 4 and money was always being made with the frugal one. But it seems that everyone at the club has been completely unaware that a successful club stands to make more money than a meandering one

  36. Bamford10

    “Asked Wenger about empty seats at recent home games. Said the stadium is always sold out (which isn’t really the point).” – journalist James Olley

    Wenger’s response here is typically cynical and smug. God this man is horrible.

  37. Marko

    Realistically this is the scope Arsenal would be dealing in with any manager in charge.

    I mean you’re not wrong but it’s worth noting that one could of still signed the likes of Griezmann from Sociedad, Dybala from Palermo or castaway Higuain with that same mentality. Even now could sign Goretska from Schalke, Timo Werner from Leipzig, Belotti from Torino before they end up becoming world class and out of our price range.

    We haven’t been proactive or shown foresight in the transfer window probably since Henry

  38. Terraloon

    Marko

    Yes he did say that along with other garbage , clearly aimed at West Ham the clear implication is that they didn’t go 100% against Liverpool and that’s unfair on Arsenal in their pursuit of a 4th place. He toataly ignores that fact that Man Utd were far from full throttle just as Saints and Stoke really weren’t 100% either
    All fits the narrative it’s never his fault

  39. Bamford10

    Ishola

    Are you suggesting that our approach to transfers is not determined by Wenger? That’s nonsense. The reason we pursue the players we pursue is Wenger.

    A new manager and DOF would mean a new approach, even if it doesn’t change the total amount available to them.

    You seem to be another one of those who thinks we can get to where we need to be by signing stars from top clubs. That is ridiculous. No way we could support such an approach financially.

    Yes we need to spend 30-45m on a player here and there, but we aren’t going to be able to build a team via such signings. Instead we have to combine such one-offs with intelligent scouting and smart value signings.

  40. Bamford10

    Marko

    Exactly. We need to be signing top players before they cost 50m. No way we’re going to 50m-signings our way to the top.

  41. Rhys Jaggar

    It seems to me that Wenger has aligned players and owner/BoD with him as they control his fate, whereas he cares nothing for fans as long as they keep buying tickets.

    Players who get a better pay at Arsenal than they would get anywhere else remain loyal to him. Has he sold anyone significant since RVP?

    Players he sold who went on to win titles: Henry, Nasri, Clichy, Sagna, Fabregas, Vieira, Cole.

    Aside from Alexis, who could currently be sold to a team winning a title by 2020? Bellerin to Barca? Oxlade to Liverpool?? The list gets a bit thinner after that….unless you put credence in Ozil to Spurs……..

    So you have to conclude that the side is not underpaid and overperforming…….

  42. Emiratesstroller

    Pedro

    Arsenal may be a big club in financial terms, but at the moment we are pygamies when it comes to football results.

    We do not punch our weight, because the whole club structure is a mess.

    The club has a ‘distant landlord’ as major shareholder with limited knowledge or interest in football whose motivation is making money and little else.

    We have a Board of Directors most of whom are in their 70s and 80s. Whilst they may be football fans they have absolutely no vested interest in club since most have sold their shares.

    We have a CEO who I am sure recognises that there are problems with the
    club’s football structure and performance, but is seemingly powerless to take a grip on the situation.

    We have a Manager who is not only past his sell by date, but refuses to change the nucleus of his scouting and coaching team.

    Moreover I recall what a leading sports journalist at a local newspaper said to me 2 years ago when I had a long discussion about the club. He said that
    even the youth development programme at the club was in dark ages when
    compared with that at Spurs.

    What is borne out is that Arsenal’s system and tactics is more or less replicated through all the teams in the club.

    When I see that Arsenal plan to keep Ozil and Walcott and then want to buy
    Mahrez you know that nothing will change. The team will continue to carry
    “passengers” who are luxury players.

  43. Marko

    Bam it’s exactly why we need to target someone like Belotti and Sandro/Werner/Dolberg and Fornals this summer. They’ll be a hell of a lot cheaper now than in a couple years. I’d argue the significant purchase of the summer should be someone like Manolas or Varane or Gimenez or a Bernardo Silva. Belotti might be a bit expensive mind

  44. Ishola70

    Not I’m not suggesting that Bamford.

    When I said that Arsenal have had this transfer policy for years Wenger has been at the club for years. In saying that though Arsenal have never been a club to buy big from other big clubs unless those players are seen as surplus. You would have to go back the Chapman times when Arsenal could go to a major rival club and nab a player from them with that club still wanting to hold onto the player.

    Marko Wenger misses out on so many players because he is not ruthless enough with existing squads he has. Takes so long to replace, cut players to make the group stronger. He likes this paternal persona he has. Likes stability. Stability can also entail standing still though and he wonders why he has been overaken this season in the EPL.

  45. Marko

    Ah jeez I swear if Walcott is there another season I’m going to kill myself. Why would I want to live in a world where someone gets paid obscenely well for 11 years while looking shite

  46. Ishola70

    Emiratesstroller:
    “When I see that Arsenal plan to keep Ozil and Walcott and then want to buy
    Mahrez you know that nothing will change. The team will continue to carry
    “passengers” who are luxury players.”

    Agreed. The Mahrez links are worrying to me. Wenger can’t get away from his aesthetics.

  47. Mr.J

    “It shows that if you can make 75 points it’s a decent total because I won the Premier League (in 1998) with 78. We have created a momentum again”

    “…Created a momentum again”?!?!?

    How any self respecting person let such words leave their lips, is beyond me.

    The man has gone past the pinnacle of delusion. He has boldly stepped into a whole new category.

    How any, even remotely awake, journalist could hear such spin and not challenge it is truly shocking

  48. Leedsgunner

    It does not matter who we sign as Wenger is still here. With Arsene at the helm, mediocrity is tolerated, no, celebrated as something to strive for.

    Whether we capture 4th place is immaterial in a way… Wenger doesn’t know how to win the Champion’s League anyways. In terms of ambition, vision and hunger we are now a midtable club under Wenger’s tenure.

    #WengerOut
    #AlexisIn

  49. Marko

    Says a lot about our mentality if we target Mahrez while dogshite United might try for Griezmann and Bernardo Silva.

    What will be telling is the striker we target if at all. If Wenger stays it’s likely to be underwhelming. Shocking I know.

  50. Jeff

    I certainly hope you’re right Pedro about Ivan’s emerging run on Wenger’s power. He is supposed to be the chief executive after all so it’s about time he acted like a chief and executed some influence. Let’s see if you are proved to be right in the coming months. The best outcome to all of this, quite apart from new players and back room staff, is of course that Wenger himself finally sees the light and scuttles off. Now that would be the mother of all summers!

  51. Leedsgunner

    ““It shows that if you can make 75 points it’s a decent total because I won the Premier League (in 1998) with 78. We have created a momentum again”

    Losers speak this way because they are afraid to face the truth. They have to create an alternative construct to justify themselves in the face of repeated failure.

    Whilst Wenger tries to fool people with talk of momentum, Conte will be lifting the EPL trophy as a winner.

    Wenger, please be quiet. You are only embarrassing yourself.

  52. Leftsidesanch

    Wenger leaving this summer is him putting his hands up in admission that he has taken this team as far as it can go, and there is no more progression to be made under him. Judging by his comments, that will never happen as he has convinced himself that we are improving.

    I don’t even think this is spin anymore, I think the man has lost the plot or we are watching him lose it before our eyes.

  53. Bamford10

    Rhys

    Overpaid and underperforming.

    Ishola

    So you agree that our approach to transfers could be different, smarter, better if Wenger were replaced with a quality manager and DOF?

  54. OleGunner

    Wenger’s come out swinging this conference with inane jabs and quips about 1998, getting more points than last season, poor attendance at Emirates not mattering when tickets are already sold, being unlucky to lose 4th by a potential point.

    Seems to me all the hallmarks of a man desperately trying to cling onto his job and redefine success for our pretty dense fan base (present company excluded of course).

    Naturally I expect half the Arsenal fans to lick all this up and wank themselves into a tizzy when he signs on for 2 more years.

  55. SpanishDave

    It’s hard to see him going because he continually makes up scenarios to make himself look good and blameless.
    If he thinks 5th is good because he got 75 pts it shows he’s deluded and he says he’s reached his target!!
    If one person only turned up for the Sunderland game he would still say it’s sold out!!
    Shameless man and he’s mocking our club.

  56. grooveydaddy

    Seeing all The Invincibles tweets on my timeline today….

    I just realized that point total (90) wouldn’t have won the league this year (assuming the chavs win their last 2)

  57. Jeff

    The thing about the points tally is that we haven’t move an inch in 13 years. Our points total is roughly where it’s been. He’s had many teams over that time, many different players in all departments. No difference. He must realise he’s the only common denominator left.

  58. Ishola70

    Bamford10:
    “So you agree that our approach to transfers could be different, smarter, better if Wenger were replaced with a quality manager and DOF?”

    Yes more so manager. Good players these days are not hard to identify. Wenger can identify them well enough. The problem has been as said to Marko he is not ruthless enough in cutting and replacing current players he has in his squads. This shows a sign of contentment and no real drive to improve which has been the reflection of the whole club for a long while now.

  59. Bamford10

    Mahrez may not be Griezmann, but he’s a very good player, not at all a passenger and he would’ve helped us wide right this season. We should have signed him last summer, and we should have sold Walcott ages ago.

  60. Bamford10

    Little point looking at points tallies season to season. Every season is different and features varying levels of quality and competitiveness. Too much change and too many changing variables to be a guide.

  61. SpanishDave

    Wenger never sells players, they go when they know that they can win things by getting out of Wenger grasp.
    The overpaid dross just hang around and play for three months before their contract extension comes up.
    Walcott is a prime example

  62. Rambo Ramsey

    Its been clear for some time that Wenger is clinically insane. Why the club continue to employ such a nutcase is the real question that needs examining.

  63. Bamford10

    People should note that Allegri is in the CL final with the likes of Mandzukic, Khedira, Evra and Alves in his XI. These are players many here would’ve turned their noses up at. Yes Juve also signed a Dybala and an Higuain — I’m not underestimating these — but their XI is not made up of 50m bricks alone.

  64. Rambo Ramsey

    Did we not finish with a lesser points tally last season (15/16) compared to the season before(14/15)?

    Funny how in that case, Wenger used our finishing position to highlight the positive. A sad desperate cunt of the highest order.

  65. Leftsidesanch

    For the people who staunchly defend Wenger, I’ll never understand why. He never takes any blame for when anything goes wrong.

    Wenger in April 2016:
    “Liverpool are a good example to follow,” Wenger said. “They’re a big club. We are a very big club. I can understand the frustration of our fans. But, despite that, they want to support our team. The best chance they can give our team is to be behind our team. Some groups of people try to manipulate our fans, and I believe apart from an agenda, a personal agenda, a big ego, there’s not a lot behind it.”

    Wenger in February 2017:
    “All the other clubs, everywhere we fight with Manchester United, Manchester City, Liverpool they have big expectations as well and big histories. We are in a fight there, we absolutely have to be united or we have no chance to do it. You have Tottenham, everyone is in the fight and everyone is behind their team. We have to do exactly the same, even if we had two disappointing results.

    – Same failings, same recycled excuses, same persistence with same squad, outdated methods and beliefs and expects a DIFFERENT result each other. Okay Arsene and Okay to the BOD for even considering rewarding this.

  66. Leedsgunner

    Remember when Wenger used to say glibly, “Judge me in May”?

    Funny that he doesn’t say that anymore.

    He used to point to his never ending streak of top 4 finishes as a reason for why he should be kept on. Now, since it appears like he doesn’t even have that pretend trophy to hold on to. Surprise, surprise what does he do?

    He moves the goal posts again and says 5th isn’t too bad really because it signals momentum… whatever that means. Despite daring the club the judge him over and over again, if these quote reveal anything, it reveals that he his a coward afraid to be held accountable.

    If it was up to me, I wouldn’t put up with this charade and I would fire him on the spot for dragging the good name of the club through the mud, all for what? … to satisfy his ego.

    Wenger Out means Out.

  67. Rambo Ramsey

    Allergi is a better manager than Conte, no doubt. Yet our board and owner look likely to turn him down in favour of the old desparate fool. Which begs the question Bamford, why you continue to bend over backwards to defend these people?

  68. Ishola70

    Bamford10:
    “People should note that Allegri is in the CL final with the likes of Mandzukic, Khedira, Evra and Alves in his XI. These are players many here would’ve turned their noses up at. Yes Juve also signed a Dybala and an Higuain — I’m not underestimating these — but their XI is not made up of 50m bricks alone.”

    Juventus is a perfect example of lots of player movements to and from the club for many seasons. They are always looking to wheel and deal to bring new faces in and have no qualms at all in ditching existing players to make room and the aim and purpose is always to improve. Wenger sees this as not noble and decent policy. These are human beings we are dealing with here Wenger would tell you. Not cattle.

  69. Joe

    We’ve improved on last years point totals?

    Yet last year we were 2nd and 10 points back

    This year we are 5th and 11 points back of Tottenham in second.

    Why doesn’t he mention that?

    Blames west ham but stoke laid down for us on the weekend too. And soton. And even Man U. But let’s not mention that

    Funny he blames west ham when he said we weren’t ready for the first match v Liverpool. Who’s fault is that?

  70. Bamford10

    Of the top 6 teams, Arsenal were the worst-performing against the other 5, earning 9 points compared to Liverpool’s 20, Chelsea’s 16 and Spurs’ 15.

  71. Ashley

    Food for thought …. I don’t think we should be targeting anybody from Madrid , in that players head he is taking a step down coming to us , his commitment is already in Question before he’s even kicked a ball , I don’t think Ozil has ever truly wanted to be here and it shows , he was binned by Madrid he didn’t want to leave , just like any other player they chose to sell – now I know you can point to Sanchez coming from Barca and you can say he gives his all but I think he’s the exception to the rule , they guy probably goes home and runs around his garden after games —- I think it’s a good bet to go after some prem talent , mahrez etc , no bedding in blah blah blah , I don’t think we can afford to give anybody a seasons grace next year as we need to be getting back into the CL asap , this club can’t do long term with out champs league it was and will be our only leverage with Wenger in charge which I reckon will be the case for the next 2 years – as much as I hope that’s not true …

  72. Bamford10

    Rambo

    I actually have never once defended the board. They are very much part of the problem, in that they have placed full faith in Wenger and continue to do so. The difference b/t me and certain others here is that I don’t blame the board for decisions that are Wenger’s and Wenger’s alone, and I do not falsely muddy the waters by saying our owner is the problem.

    The board have made one mistake: placing blind faith in Arsene Wenger. Every other mistake is Wenger’s.

  73. Paulinho

    Wenger is going to stay. Wenger was ALWAYS going to stay.

    Fans keep giving him too much credit as a human by assuming the ‘pressure’ will drive him out but that’s always been wishful thinking. He’s an odious, arrogant, delusional cretin who becomes more entrenched, not less, the ‘worse’ things get. He doesn’t see it the same way we do. It looks at every negative as an opportunity to show our ‘values’.

    Short of dropping dead, there is no getting rid of him as long as he is alive.

  74. Joe

    People say you should respect wenger

    With the comments he makes in the press he shows no respect to the fans or club. He actually belittles fans and disrespects us by thinking we are stupid enough to fall for the bullshit he is spinning.

  75. Joe

    The poster who yesterday day was saying it wasn’t wenger’s decision alone to sell Rvp

    Why does he tell everyone he decided to sell RVp to Man U after a phone call from fergie.

    Fergie didn’t call kronke. Fergie didn’t call anyone on the board. Didn’t call gazids

    Because fergie knew it’s wenger that makes all the decisions at Arsenal

  76. Bamford10

    I used to call for Wenger to be showered with tomatoes — or to be treated to cream-pies to the face — but I have been told the former could be classified as assault and I wouldn’t want to recommend that. I now think fans should shower the field or the bus with tomatoes.

    I still think a cream-pie or two to the face would be excellent, though. Two in quick succession would be best.

  77. Bamford10

    Joe

    Good point. That was GoonerDave, and he got a number of other things wrong as well, including his claim that we sold RVP because we were under financial pressures.

  78. Ashley

    Joe

    Wenger sells the best striker in the league at the time to the most dominant team in prem history , you couldn’t make that up if you tried , it’s utter madness when you think about it – and then he comes out and tells the fans that he told fergie what kind of player he was getting , like he was proud of it !

  79. David Smith

    Still, just dont get why wenger is even in a negotiating position…he has failed, it is the end of his contract, he is publicly refusing measures of change.
    Just put him out of his misery the day after the cup final, whatever the result, it wont be enough.
    Why try and change a man who cannot and will not change? If he has staff forced on him, he will ignore them, sulk and underperform to an even greater extent.
    The CEO clearly has some issue with him, the owner doesnt care, the fans are turning, he had to change foormation to recover the dressing room,……why is there even a possibility of him staying?

  80. Bamford10

    Ashley

    You’re right. F***ing incredible. All because he cares more about being a nice, father figure — and adhering to his principles — more than he cares about winning.

    Complete f***ing clown.

  81. Jeff

    Every season is different and yet for us to come away with the same sort of points for so many years with so many different variations not within our control makes the points tally very relevant. It implies the biggest influence on our season isn’t other clubs, or the ability of the players past and present. It is inconceivable that these factors would have conspired to guarantee the same number of points and therefore a top four finish season after season. What it does imply is that it doesn’t seem to matter who plays for us or how well other teams do in the PL, we still end up with the same number of points which means our internal playing style, tactics and ability to improve or rise up to challenges are virtually non-existent. That’s what I was getting at.

  82. Paulinho

    “I still think a cream-pie or two to the face would be excellent, though. Two in quick succession would be best.”

    I think the French Rapper he had an affair with tried that already. Still here five years later!

  83. Joe

    Ashley

    Exactly.

    He also said he knew Man U would win the league when he sold him.

    Are you kidding me?? What supposed Elite manager of an elite team like Arsenal ever sells their best player knowing it will win your hated rival the league

    In political terms that’s called treason.

    He should have been sacked at the moment.

    Bamford

    Financial pressures? We bought santi, podolski and Giroud that summer. Financial pressure doesn’t really make sense.

    We could have kept Rvp and only bought santi and Giroud

  84. Carts

    Wenger top 4 pursuit at this stage in the season was never in doubt was it. As someone said before, the middle thirs teams are already in Las Vegas mode. I wouldn’t read too much into those result.

    Now looking forward, Wenger is continuously trying to get the disgruntled fans on-side. Pathetic and desperate!

    His recent sound bites to the media is testament to this. He implied that Chelsea’s success was born out of them having no CL football. I’m guessing that would’ve also applied to Leicester.

  85. Barking Arsene

    Wenger is in need of an intervention, really has lost the plot.

    Also, how little does he think of fans to dismiss an empty stadium as “sold out”. That in itself tells tou that as long as the money has come in, nobody gives a fuck.

    The club know that the main way for a fan to hurt them is by not renewing thier ST.

    They also know that many people won’t do this as if it gets the desired result and the club becomes a success again, that fan is then at the back of a 10 year waiting list again.

    Over a barrel.

    Maybe there should be a boycott of all merchandise instead.

    Won’t change things on its own but I think multiple avenues need to be explored and used together to make a difference.

  86. Joe

    Empty seats might not effect wenger because seats are “already paid for”

    But sponsors won’t like it. It’s embarrassing. So when sponsors don’t like it. Neither will Kronke.

    So an empty stadium does have an effect. Even if wenger is trying to spin it otherwise.

    The Milan walkout made international sports news. It will have an effect.

    Wenger just showed you his true colours too. All he cares about is money. Money from the sucker fans who lap up his bollocks.

  87. Joe

    1h
    Highbury Harold @BlackScarfAFC
    If we hadn’t lost twice v Liverpool (& were professional enough to actually be ready for the 1st game of the season), or is that too simple?

  88. steve

    Wenger really is a shameful man. Absolutely embarrassing comments this morning. You couldn’t make this shit up.

  89. Micheal

    But sponsors won’t like it. It’s embarrassing. So when sponsors don’t like it. Neither will Kronke.
    ===========

    Kroenke doesn’t give a flying fuck about you, me or anyone else who is interested in football.

    A better protest would be to evacuate the stadium on Sunday before the “lap of honour” to mark the season’s end. But I doubt that slippery American cunt will even be watching.

  90. Leedsgunner

    “His recent sound bites to the media is testament to this. He implied that Chelsea’s success was born out of them having no CL football. I’m guessing that would’ve also applied to Leicester.”

    Does anyone here genuinely think Wenger would be able to challenge for the title if we didn’t have any Champion’s League football to deal with? I very much doubt it.

    The only thing that Wenger is interested in now is being proved right after the fact rather than winning itself.

    This is why he takes great pleasure in telling us year after year of the players he tried to bring to the club even though he failed to actually to bring them to the club. It’s as if he thinks he should get some recognition for spotting them before anyone else.

  91. Joe

    Michael

    Wenger nor Kronke care about the fans

    But Kronke will care when sponsors start complaining about empty seats and embarrassing(to the club) protests and walkouts all over the sporting news.

  92. Carts

    Did that idiot just say “if you look at the Bayern game across the 2 games, in the first half, we were already qualified”?

    he made a point about our points total in comparison to last season, too…yet completely disregarding the fact that we’ve been awful.

    Said that we do our job, hence why we finish strong..

    He also said that he approaches the start of each season with the intention of winning the league. Yet he did the unthinkable of not signing an outfield player 2 seasons ago.

    Still hasn’t upgrade Giroud or bought a proper DM

    Tell me this isn’t a man who’s fully lost his shit.

  93. Boomslang

    And after consistent failures, all the disrespect and contempt shown to supporters by the repugnant squatter, some would still shell out £2000 for a season ticket? Unbelievable.

    Might as well purchase 2000 toilet papers. I don’t see the difference.

  94. TR7

    “The board have made one mistake: placing blind faith in Arsene Wenger. Every other mistake is Wenger’s.”

    When will you understand board not sacking Wenger is a bigger mistake than all the mistakes of Wenger combined together ? If the board doesn’t commit the mistake it commits every season, Wenger’s mistakes wouldn’t have any impact on our club. You parrot the above quoted sentence every single time as if it were a great defense of the board.

  95. Carts

    “Does anyone here genuinely think Wenger would be able to challenge for the title if we didn’t have any Champion’s League football to deal with? I very much doubt it.”

    Fuck no!

    Mentally none of our player believe we’ll get past the last 16.

    It been ingrained in us that were inferior to the overwhelming majority of teams that make it out the group.

    This is the fucking man that went with Sanogo up top. Sanogo up top against Bayern. Is this man for real.

    Can you imagine if any other big team pulled a stunt like that? you’d have the like of Laurenttis, Perez, Bartomeu, Hoeness, Rummenigge, Buck Emenalo et al going fucking mental in the media. It would be a sackable offense.

  96. Micheal

    Joe:
    Wenger nor Kronke care about the fans
    But Kronke will care when sponsors start complaining about empty seats and embarrassing(to the club) protests and walkouts all over the sporting news.
    ===================

    I sincerely hope you are right. But inevitably it will take time for the protests to filter through to the sponsors. One day’s protest is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things – sadly.
    I am afraid that fans are at the wrong end of the food chain as far as sponsors, absentee American owners and ineffectual CEOs are concerned.

  97. Chigooner

    Leeds,

    “Does anyone here genuinely think Wenger would be able to challenge for the title if we didn’t have any Champion’s League football to deal with? I very much doubt it. ”

    With the level of manager in the Prem now he has no chance. But he’d probably have won it at least 2 if not 3 times more if it wasn’t for this utterly pointless champs league qualification. Squad rotation was such a huge issue back then and he could have got away with the lack of tactics.

    It’s kinda fitting. Arsenal are the Walmart of football now. Hugely profitable. Shit product. And terrible for everyone but the very rich.

  98. shaun

    this is the problem ….cream pies and tomatoes with the contempt that man shows to fans it should be bottles of piss as he is now openly taking the piss out of his own fan base with every interview ….the crap that comes out of this mans mouth is unreal

  99. Joe

    Micheal

    It may take a while. You’re right

    But something sponsors will notice is coming in 5th and no CL.

    And if wenger stays, we will be shite again next season.

    That’s the only silver lining in all this. If he stays I think he will be sacked by jan. We got very lucky in the first few months
    Of the season this year. Bmouth, Leicester, Burnley etc.

    This season could have been a lot worse if not for luck

  100. Carts

    I lol’d at how Wenger completely avoided the simple question on whether an [inevitable] increase in points, this season, represents an improvement from last season.

    What a fuck-up, he is!

    If the asshole had responded with “yes” then he would’ve further exposed himself as a has-been. Cos essentially the quality of the league would’ve improved while he remains stagnant.

    If he said “no” then he’d have no leg to stand on with regards to whether he still has the ability to guide Arsenal fc.

  101. Joe

    Wenger’s luck always runs out when
    It matters. Nov to may.

    Next season I see it not being there at all

    We will be near 10th place by Xmas if wenger stays

    And if you don’t think it can happen. Just look at chelsea last season

  102. Leedsgunner

    He can talk about progress all he wants… because the only type of progress that world class players understand are trophies… league titles and champion’s league winners medals.

    He is the most deluded and reactive manager in world football.

  103. Chigooner

    Wenger getting the sack by Christmas or at all is pure fantasy. He’ll leave at the end of one of these contracts….eventually….

    Remember. Wenger is out of contract. That means the board has to offer him another contract…after this shit show of a season….but then fires him by Christmas.

    Pure fantasy.

  104. Chigooner

    Leeds,

    I’m not sure the only thing players care about is trophies. But they do care about having to go out on the pitch and play against teams far better prepared then they are. Every time Arsenal players step on the pitch they are at a disadvantage. I don’t think there’s a single manager in the Prem doing less. We get by on talent alone.

  105. Joe

    Chi

    5th this season

    No fa cup win

    And start the season badly and something will give. The season starts badly and the rest of the fans will turn. It won’t end well with wenger if he stays.

  106. David Smith

    Has Stan given Wenger some sort of secret job for life arrangement…whereby even at the end of a given contract, he has the right to chose to renew which will overide all else?

  107. Barking Arsene

    Good point about sponsors Joe – only downside is it will take a while to have an impact, and by then we may have him signed for two further years.

    What is most worrying is that as the league itself generates more and more money, clubs values are increasing even with declining performances within it.

    This almost means that 5th (or even lower) this and in the coming years might still see an increase in the value of the club overall. If it does then we have a serious problem that may not go away for a long long time.

    There will come a breaking point but we might have to sink as low as 7th/8th for a few years before the owners and shareholders actually feel the difference.

  108. Chigooner

    Joe,

    I agree it will be a shit show. Still won’t get the sack. We’ll probably go deep in Europa LEague which means Champs league qualification will be on the table until late in the season…

  109. Joe

    He is not getting this contract just given to him. Otherwise he would have signed months ago. There is hesitation on kronkes part.

    Start the season badly and he will sack wenger. Just ask Jeff fisher from the Rams.

  110. Champagne charlie

    Kolasinac on a free July 1st. – Sky sources

    Smart buy, great profile. Does that say back 3 is here to stay next season? (Kolasinac predominantly LWB this season)

  111. Joe

    Chi

    There are a lot of teams in Europa that will know how to outsmart wenger. I don’t think wenger will do well in Europa. And Thursday nights will kill our league camapain as well as wenger doesn’t know how to rotate or prepare differently for different teams.

    Next year will be terrible if wenger stays.

  112. Joe

    Smart buy, great profile

    You said that about xhaka mustafi and Perez too.

    Doesn’t matter who we sign. Wenger in charge means same shit every season with different names on the back of the jersey

  113. Joe

    Wenger will not be able to juggle Europa league and fa cup.

    He will fail miserably at it. Especially the league

  114. Wallace

    RVP & Cesc were elite PL players at the 4th biggest club in the country. both gave us 8yrs of their careers. if they were wanting to move on to bigger things there’s not much you can do about it.

  115. Joe

    Wallace.

    Both would have stayed if wenger could have matched their ambition.

    Signed the one or two players we were short every season.

    There were reports the rvp wanted to stay after we signed santi and pods and Giroud.

    Wenger’s ego wouldn’t have it.

    We would have won the League with rvp that season. Even with wenger in charge

  116. Carts

    “Doesn’t matter who we sign. Wenger in charge means same shit every season with different names on the back of the jersey”

    Precisely!

  117. Chigooner

    CC,

    Jesus. 120k for Kolasinac is a smart buy in your opinion? It’s overpaying so we don’t have to compete in the transfer market. End of. I have no idea how good this player is and neither do you. The few times I’ve watched him did not look anything special and is playing for an under performing 10th place bundesliga team. And our track record is terrible.
    Doesn’t matter anyway. Wenger will never get the best out of him.

  118. Bamford10

    Wallace

    That is a truly pathetic rationalization re RVP. Joe is exactly correct; RVP wanted to stay and win a title with Arsenal, but he wanted the club to sign a couple more quality players so that we could genuinely contend. Wenger wasn’t having it. The notion that we were not in position to challenge for great things at that point is ridiculous, pathetic and sad.

  119. jwl

    I don’t know anything about him but Kolasinac for free is fine with me if Arsenal were going to use money to buy eighty million quid world class striker. Presumably analytics team said this guy is acceptable and Wenger agreed because it was cheap. But I know no world class striker is being saved up for because there is no one better than L’oreal out there, apparently.

  120. S Asoa

    To the question what makes Kroenke stick with Wenger irrespective of Arsenal become the laughing stock of the sport’s world?
    Wenger appears to have been the facilitator for the Kroenke takeover as well as keeping a 30% shareholder out of management ,inspite of a substantial investment.
    Will someone based in London with financial background study the possibilities of Wenger insider trading or anything similar irregularities by which Wenger can be charged with criminal misconduct. Should get the rat scurrying to France in double quick time.
    I do not have an understanding of England law by the way .

  121. Ishola70

    Kolasinac has been very influential for Schalke this season no doubt about it.

    Schalke fans very sad to see him leave. Played his last game for the club at their home ground as he is suspended for Schalke’s last game of the season which is away and home fans had banners out thanking him for his time at Schalke.

    I think someone made a point about him somewhere re: having concerns about injury/potential injury problems. He is a heavy set player and has had problems in the past with cruciate ligament injuries.

  122. Carts

    Guess the acquisition of Kolasinac spells the end for Gibbs.

    I don’t know much about Kolasinac; seen him play a few times and he doesn’t look bad. He’s not 120k p/w level, but the wage obviously reflect the 0 transfer fee.

    My guess is he probably got a sign-on fee of around £1m-2m, as well.

  123. TR7

    Players on free transfers demand higher wages for obvious reasons but still I doubt we will be paying Kolasinac 120 K that’s being reported in the media. Hopefully it’s Gibbs who is offloaded, not Monreal.

  124. S Asoa

    Bamford
    Tomatoes, pies
    You have me salivating.
    The fiend of Arsenal , Arsehole Wenger has perpetrated the most horrible injury to the fans and shat on them . So commensurate strongly flung fruits and pies are in order.
    During WW-2 Londoners have fought bravely. Why are they wimps now ?
    ( with apologies to notable exceptions like West London Gooner)

  125. Carts

    “I think someone made a point about him somewhere re: having concerns about injury/potential injury problems. He is a heavy set player and has had problems in the past with cruciate ligament injuries.”

    Hey you SOB, are you trying to say that Wenger doesn’t know this?

    You trying to say Wenger should’ve consider his heavy build and susceptibility to knee injuries before putting him on £120k p/w for a minimum of 4 years?

  126. Ishola70

    CartsMay 15, 2017 15:30:10
    .”Hey you SOB, are you trying to say that Wenger doesn’t know this?You trying to say Wenger should’ve consider his heavy build and susceptibility to knee injuries before putting him on £120k p/w for a minimum of 4 years?”

    Wenger loves buying players that have break out seasons from previous and this “burly fvcker” has had the best season he has ever had before so Wenger will overlook yes any potential negatives about him.

    Last injury was three years ago though and had previous problems as a teenager. But two identical injuries gives some concern that he could break down again at some point.

  127. TR7

    Info from a little bit of primary Google research – Kolasinac can play at left-back, left midfield and DM positions. Although LB is his primary position, last season he played as a DM and a LM 6 times each. Has had a severe ligament injury last season and missed many games. 3 goals and 6 assists which is a decent output.

  128. Follow the money

    Wenger’s shameful record vs the top 6 actually extends over his entire tenure at the club. What does that tell us? If all the teams had equal resources to spend on players and wages Wenger would get relegated. Think about that

  129. Ishola70

    He had injury problems in season 2013/14 as well lol.

    His profile on transfermarkt throughout seasons reads like a medical score card.

  130. Carts

    Ishola

    You’re not wrong. Perez is a prime example of that.

    But as we know, he also has a penchant to head fuck us all and go for players like Santos, Kallstrom, Park, Bischoff, Sanogo