Desperate Arsene drops another toxic interview skewering the fans

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Arsene Wenger is truly in a tailspin at the moment, he’s gone from being a little bit embarrassing to full on ‘WTF is happening someone restrain the man.’  His current line of fire is that in football, you can go from great to rubbish in a heartbeat.

“I watch many games,”

“For example on Friday night I watched the last 20 minutes of Paris Saint-Germain against Barcelona again.

“It is interesting once you see all the conclusions that come out of the game. The same people that speak after the game said with 10 minutes to go that PSG were absolutely outstanding and 10 minutes later they were absolutely rubbish.”

First thing to note here, Wenger is bragging about having the deluxe BT Sport / Sky TV football package. I’m there with you bossman, when you have the freedom to roll between whatever game you want, it’s quite the power.

Secondly, he’s making a bit of a pointless argument here to augment the view that fans and pundits are fickle. PSG were incredible in the first leg of the tie and Barcelona looked old, tired and weak. The second leg was a different story. Despite what Wenger thinks he saw, PSG weren’t great after 80 minutes, they were 3-1 down and they looked well and truly on the edge. It was entirely predictable at that point Barca were on the rampage… you only had to look at Emery’s body language on the sidelines. He knew what was coming.

Thirdly, that is football, you do go from great to rubbish quite quickly, especially in cup games over two legs. I’m not sure that the pundits who lavished praise in the first leg were wrong. I’m not sure anyone is wrong in calling out PSG for the most humiliating capitulation of the round. I’m not sure Barcelona are wrong in moving on Luis Enrique, they lost yesterday to 15th placed Deportivo after taking the lead.

I think it might be early doors for PSG to do the same to Emery, but he was brought into a club who demanded CL success and he’s failed. He will likely take the bullet for not only failing against the brief, but also staining the club with a humiliation that will go down in history as one of the worst CL defeats. Losing badly, at most major clubs with ambition, is not something you brush to one side with a shrug of the shoulders, unless your name is Arsene.

Wenger then goes into full-on disgust mode at the people challenging his personal fiefdom.

“It is always interesting to take a distance, because people keep your eye and brainwash you with what you think is right.

“We are in the semi-final of the FA Cup. How many times have we been? You have to accept that nothing is good enough, you have to live with that.

“Get out of that heated atmosphere and look at things in an objective way. Sometimes it confirms what people say. Sometimes it doesn’t.

I’m not sure where he gets off saying things like the above. I’m not even particularly angry, because it’s his way, he’s a genuine dictator. Fans and pundits have him on the backfoot because that’s where he deserves to be. He’s stagnated as a manager and his team has slowly been going backwards for years. This is a lash out because he’s absolutely clueless how to take us to the next level and he probably knows his protestations are largely falling on desperately bored ears.

The brainwashing comment is particularly odd. Only yesterday Wenger went out of his way to say that the ref changed the Bayern game in which we lost 10-2. Did you hear him say his players had not let him down? I mean, come on Arsene, you’re the master of brainwashing.

Has the man ever taken responsibility for anything? He’s been getting out-thought by big name managers for over 12 years and he’s not addressed it. Even back in the day when blogs like Le Grove were blaming his training methods for the injury pile up, he was blaming hair pills and lady luck. He was insistent that his problems were down to money until Leicester embarrassed us last year off the back of sacking Pearson.

“It is down to me to take the right distance – people are right and people are wrong as well. I managed about 2,000 games and might know a little something about the game as well.

“No matter what happens in the future you will always lose games. I can’t guarantee we will win all the games.”

Now we’re at the crux of the matter. YOU the stupid fan have NEVER managed a game in your life, yet you have the temerity to judge a man of Arsene’s prestige?

I understand it. A man in his late sixties, accountable to no one, truly believes the game of football is so complex, only a genius can manage in it and only a genius can comment on it. Sorry Arsene, we’re not having that. Fans might not have experience of the day to day. We might not have had the breaks you had to get into the game. We might never have reached your level if we did. But here’s the rub, we have that deluxe Sky TV package. We sit in the ground and watch you do the same things over and over with expert consistency. We have access to huge swathes of information that tell us this ain’t right. We sift through the financial data. We can all see that you aren’t capable of taking Arsenal to the next level. You don’t need to be a genius to see that.

Here are some cold hard facts:

  • No actual title challenge since 2004
  • Never won the Champions League
  • Haven’t qualified for the last 16 of the CL in 7 seasons
  • Consistently destroyed in big games over the last 12 years
  • Have never beaten Jose Mourinho in a competitive game
  • Oversaw the biggest loss any British team has suffered in the CL against Bayern
  • 16 points off the top of the league, currently sitting in 5th
  • Best player being destroyed by Arsenal PR currently because YOU can’t manage him or help him win things

Semi final’s are nice. FA Cups are nice. But football has moved on. Importance has been reframed, really, by people like you who actually called the top 4 a trophy. Harping on about how people want instant success falls on unsympathetic ears when you haven’t delivered a major trophy in what will be 13 years when this season finished.

Here’s the thing Arsene. Arsenal fans are very smart. They’re also ridiculously forgiving. They’re also done with you. Sure some fans don’t want to see you bullied out, and that’s fair. But look at any of the counter argument going on at the moment, and none of it is about you staying on. It’s about you leaving with dignity.

You see, the argument isn’t clouded now. It’s so precise, clinical and clear cut, there isn’t a counter to it. You are finished Arsene. The big question now is how far will you take it? Because if this goes on much longer, history won’t be kind. We’re already approaching a situation where there have been more unsuccessful years than successful ones. The last 5 have been marred with heavy infighting people won’t quickly forget. How much more nastiness do you want to preside over? Because this is your doing now. You are making the Arsenal a toxic experience and it’s getting to the point where it’s unforgivable.

Give it up. Stop with the ranting in the press. Call it a day.

See you in the comments. x

P.S. Quick little anecdote because as you know, I’m reading Carlo A’s book which is ok, but not incredible. Anyway, one of his stories is about how data needs to be used wisely. One example he had is that when at Madrid. His scouts analysed Costa and basically worked out that Costa played his best when he ran 8km, if he ran less, Atleti were prone to losing. Carlo’s coaching staff had the view that if you stopped him running, his team were more likely to lose.

That’s what I’m talking about for context. Alexis Sanchez being lampooned for not running 10km per game was completely useless data, and as you know, a total hatchet job by the shameless PR machine of Arsenal.

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  1. Jim Lahey

    I can understand both sides of the argument here. On one hand you have the notion that a Cup victory is only as good as the teams you beat to win it but on the other hand, who ever remembers the teams you beat? People only remember the trophies themselves. I mean if we look through all 12 of our FA Cup victories I’m sure there is more than a few were we got an easy route to the final. Like many other teams.

    Mourinho’s biggest achievement was winning the CL in 04 with Porto, yet we never question the validity of that win do we?

  2. Bamford10

    Frank Lampard thinks Kante may be the best midfielder in the world at the moment. Mourinho believes Pogba was the best midfielder on the pitch last night.

  3. Welbecchio

    Bamford

    How’s your protest coming along? Must be exhausting continuously typing for like 5 minutes a day.

    You must sleep well knowing you’re making a real difference.

    Can the Arsenal still count on your support until the end of the season? Say it ain’t so.

    We need you.

  4. Marko

    Bellerin’s actually the one good player I’ve got no worries about leaving just yet tbh. Just signed a new deal and young and in no hurry to leave. He will eventually though

  5. vicky

    Pogba is massively over-rated. Mourinho is crazy if he thinks Pogba is the best. Very unpolished, undisciplined and ineffective in most games that matter. He has age on his side so he can improve. But, nowhere good enough at the moment.

  6. Bamford10

    McGee

    That’s what I said. Little chance we beat City in the semi. And no chance we beat Chelsea in the final. Wenger isn’t getting an FAC to paper over cracks.

  7. China

    Welbecchio I don’t understand at all

    You seem to be saying that results are all that matter and context means nothing

    So I can only presume you consider Arsenal, one of the biggest teams in England and a big team by European standards to have had an incredibly poor last 10 years considering we’ve only won 2 cups in that time

    You are the first apologist on here defending wenger when he drops another drubbing. Where are your results are all that counts ideas then?

    Contradictory wanker

  8. Bamford10

    Welbecchio

    Do you have a point? Everyone here (save a couple of AKB trolls) is part of the protest. Everyone here is “Wenger out” and has been for years.

    You’re a better supporter because you’re defending the man? Fuck off.

    You and your ilk are the problem. Everyone here knows this.

    And by the way, I’m not sure if you’ve noticed, but many, many Arsenal supporters are protesting. At the stadium and all over the world. It’s not my protest.

  9. Jim Lahey

    @China – I agree that context of a cup victory does matter, but this isn’t a argument you can solely level at Arsenal and Wenger, it will be the same for a lot of teams. Just look at United’s 2016 FAC victory.

    We got lucky with the 2014 run having I think all of our games at home? But we did beat Spurs and Liverpool during that run. Finished up with Everton, Wigan and Hull, really was an ideal ending to the competition for us. In 2015 the only real challenge we faced was away to United.

  10. Pierre

    China
    “Whenever a strong team has an easy run to the final and comes up against a weak finalist all the articles about the champions are already half written before the game has been played and just need some details filling in before they’re published barring a major upset”

    In my time supporting arsenal I have seen the arsenal lose in cup finals against Swindon, Leeds, Ipswich, West ham, Luton and in each of those games we were massive favourites to win (Leeds the exception).
    So for you to think that winning a cup final is just a matter of turning up then I’m afraid you are showing your ignorance of the game.
    Would also like to add that wenger cannot be blamed for any of those defeats as he was not the manager.

  11. Pierre

    Are Le grovellers on here implying that Nottingham forest great European cup triumphs are devalued because they played weak opposition in the final.. Hamburg and malmo.. Not exactly super powers are they to…

  12. Red&White4life

    “Arsenal also announce pre-season friendly with Bayern. ”
    lol this is beyond any joke so far…

    Not a good draw with city, we have a small but real chance against them, I would have prefer being eliminated in the semis by chelscum…

  13. Red&White4life

    “Would also like to add that wenger cannot be blamed for any of those defeats as he was not the manager.”
    loooooool this one killed me, well done Pierre!! 😉

  14. Bamford10

    Pierre

    That’s a straw-man. No one is saying that winning a cup tie is as simple as showing up. The point is that beating City is more impressive than beating Aston Villa and beating Chelsea is more impressive than beating Hull City — and an FAC in which you beat the former is more impressive than one in which you beat the latter.

    If we were looking at Hull in the semi and Villa in the final, everyone here would give us a good chance. Chelsea then City? No chance. Much, much harder to do, and Wenger isn’t capable of beating big teams.

    So yes, every FAC is an FAC, but they are not all as equally difficult to win, impressive or meaningful.

  15. Danny

    Pierre
    March 14, 2017 12:51:56
    —————————
    You forgot the classic Birmingham game…….
    Plus probably the Real Zaragoza (Nayim…..) and the Galatasaray (penalties….)

  16. Bamford10

    Pierre

    Another bad argument. Any team that gets to a European Cup or CL final is obviously a very good team. The same cannot be said of a Hull City or Aston Villa in the FAC. Nor is the FAC even close to a European Cup. Not even in the same universe. It’s not 1979.

  17. Bamford10

    Jim

    I’d say it was the last time two top quality teams competed in the final or the last time four top quality teams made it to the semi.

    Neither of ours qualify.

    I’d obviously add that if s team knocks off the top teams en route, that would be an impressive title even if they played lesser teams in the semi or final. It would be a little anti-climatic, but it wouldn’t be less impressive.

  18. Vote leave

    Pedro
    The master of spin
    Sure it’s not peter mandelson in disguise?

    We have mounted 3 title challenges in that time
    07-08
    10-11
    11-13 if memory serves correct l, the only season Ramsey looked more than a championship player

  19. Vote leave

    Bamford
    Wenger beat Chelsea a already this year
    We beat united Bayern and city last year too
    He can beat big teams

  20. Jim Lahey

    @Bamford –

    Just out of curiosity, in 2014 we beat both Liverpool and Spurs en route and played lesser opposition in Wigan (Semi) and Hull in the final.

    When Chelsea won in 2012, they also beat Spurs and Liverpool, however they beat them in the SF and F. Would you consider that an impressive win?

  21. Bamford10

    For those who think Spurs would be a more difficult FAC tie than City, two things: one, when Arsenal players take the field against Spurs, they feel they are the better players, the better team. (Whether this is true is a separate question.) In contrast, when they take the field against City, they don’t feel this — indeed they feel the opposite. These things matter.

    Two, Kane is now out.

  22. gonsterous

    who cares whether we face spurs or city. we would still have to play a final with Chelsea.. good luck with that one…

  23. Bamford10

    Vote Leave

    Pathetic response. We beat Bayern because they were way up on aggregate and playing in third gear. We beat an anemic Chelsea. And one occasional win against City is an anomaly, not the rule. The rule is Wenger generally loses to big teams, esp in big games.

  24. gonsterous

    it’s true we beat big teams but only when it doesn’t count.. unless fighting for 4th counts.. then we beat big teams all the time..

  25. Pierre

    Bamford
    “And by the way, I’m not sure if you’ve noticed, but many, many Arsenal supporters are protesting. ”

    150/200 protesting at the ground

    250,000 in Islington to see arsenal parade the” worthless ” F a cup…..

  26. Bamford10

    Pierre

    Try 600-1000, and comparing it to an FAC celebration is a meaningless apples to oranges comparison. Thousands of Arsenal supporters think it’s time for change but don’t want to get involved in protest. Doesn’t mean they support Wenger. Look at any newspaper or online poll: the vast majority think Wenger needs to go.

    Only brainless dipshits think otherwise. You know, your ilk.

  27. Jim Lahey

    Our record vs City and Spurs has been very close over the last number of years. In 10 games vs Spurs we’ve taken 16 points and in 10 games vs City we have taken 13 points.

  28. Pierre

    Bamford
    “when arsenal take the field against City, they don’t feel they are the better team— indeed they feel the opposite. These things matter”

    Thought you would like to know that the last 7 games v city is arsenal won 3,city won 1 and 3 drawn….

    Not bad for a team that feel so inferior to city…

  29. S Asoa

    Your Comment Here
    Bamford10March 14, 2017 12:37:56
    WelbecchioDo you have a point? Everyone here (save a couple of AKB trolls) is part of the protest. Everyone here is “Wenger out” and has been for years.

    Bamford that troll probably earns a bonus out of “Wenger war chest ” for getting a response. Besides the usual per post .
    Just do not read his post . It is obvious is a commercial proposition.

  30. Red&White4life

    I can’t help but ask Ze question : does anyone think that wenga could survive to a defeat in the FA Cup final… against the Spuds ?? (lol)

  31. Welbecchio

    China

    ‘You seem to be saying that results are all that matter and context means nothing’

    Stop now you’re embarrassing yourself.

    In the context of the fa cup, where the teams are randomly drawn, yes the end result (winning the trophy) is the most important thing not the quality of team beaten to get to the final. Get it?

    You’re flying off on ridiculous tangents that no one is even disputing, so just try stick to your original nonsensical point of wanting imaginary validation, from who I don’t know, for winning a cup

    Why mention wenger you embarrassment? No has mentioned him, a sign of a desperate poster with nothing of value to add.

  32. Vote leave

    bumford

    You’re getting served
    Pierre is bossing you
    We beat Bayern the year before in the group stages at home.
    Spurs do sometimes sit higher in the table at this stage of the season but they always fall away
    Have you never heard of st tots day?

    Make your excuses
    We beat Chelsea already this season and we can beat them again
    It’s possible

  33. underrated Coq

    I honestly think some folks should stop embarrassing themselves by making up bs about what qualifies as impressive cup victories.

    Wenger gets criticized for bleating about the difficult nature of the draw we’ve had to face in the CL last few years. But then the people who criticize him start bleating about ‘easy’ FA runs insinuating that the cup win was somehow less worthy. Just stop, you sound as lame as Wenger trying to argue against the nature of knockout competitions.

    You know what? I don’t even buy this notion that our FA cup runs in 2014 and 2015 were easy. Care to check out the route to victories of teams like Chelsea, City when they won the cup?

    The Cup has what, 7 rounds in total and over a hundred teams registered? You do the math of the probability of facing the best teams in every round.

    Heck, I’d go as far as saying our cup run in 2014 was one of the toughest, most of the teams we faced were PL opposition. I remember we played Liverpool days after we were tonked 5-1 by them, so it was not easy, knocking them out. We played Spurs and Everton when both were in decent form. The final match against Hull, you can say we should never have gone down 2-0, but coming back to win that game in that fashion..I’d be lying through my skin if I say I didn’t enjoy every fucking minute of that match.

    Who gave us a chance when we were drawn at Old Trafford in the quarters( was it? ) the following season? That was a memorable match as well.

    So we faced three of the top seven EPL sides en route to victory in 2014 but get beat with the stick that we didn’t face them away from home. We faced and beat United away at OT in 2015 but get beat with the stick that we didn’t face enough quality teams.

    Pathetic, pathetic, pathetic.

  34. Bamford10

    Pierre

    That we have a reasonable record of late against City doesn’t mean our players don’t recognize the superiority of their squad and manager.

    Do you really think Ozil and Alexis walk on to to field and think their teammates and manager are as good as City’s? If so, you should watch s different sport; you have no idea what you’re talking about.

  35. Vote leave

    And I wouldn’t call 600-1000 many many many supporters protesting.
    Obviously neither would you as you back tracked HARD

  36. Red&White4life

    I’m telling you, a defeat in the FA Cup final against the Spuds , and it’s GAME OVER for le mighty prof lol

  37. Vote leave

    Bamford
    T
    But you’re segueing that we cannot beat city in a a football match to win the fa cup
    We are arguing the opposite
    Pierre has provided facts to prove you wrong
    Stop trying to move the goal posts
    We can and have beat Chelsea and city in the last year or so and can do so again.
    Why pretend otherwise
    It does nobody any harm to want our club to beat others

  38. Welbecchio

    Bamford

    You seem very defensive. Go for a walk get done fresh air it’ll do you good.

    I only asked how your protest was coming along. Is it going well? Have you got RSI from all that typing or whatever else you get up to at your computer?

  39. Welbecchio

    Bamford

    ‘The point is that beating City is more impressive than beating Aston Villa and beating Chelsea is more impressive than beating Hull City — and an FAC in which you beat the former is more impressive than one in which you beat the latter.’

    Do you get a better, more impressive trophy if you beat Chelsea in the final rather than hull or villa?

    I didn’t think so either.

  40. Pierre

    Danny

    Could add the Valencia 1980 final when Rix fucked up his penalty after faking his kick”
    Agreed.. I was there… Crappy heysel stadium…4 days after we had lost to West ham in the f a cup final…. Great season but won nothing… Can remember 3 or 4 massive semi finals against Liverpool… I think we ran out of steam for the 2 finals though I think we were a bit the better team v valencia

  41. Wallace

    couple of juicy CL ties – Monaco vs Man City the obvious one – and that FA Cup semi final weekend are pretty much all the football we’ve got to look forward to until next season. hope they’re good.

    hopefully league form won’t be the major factor in the semi-finals. it isn’t always.

  42. Ishola70

    Pierre:
    “Are Le grovellers on here implying that Nottingham forest great European cup triumphs are devalued because they played weak opposition in the final.. Hamburg and malmo.. Not exactly super powers are they to…”

    Why are you comparing European Cups to the present day FA Cup? Ridiculous.

    I think you will find no team played a reserve side in those European Cups you mention whereas the present day FA Cup we see so many teams putting out weakened sides.

    Hamburg weak at that time? Yeah very weak. They had the spending power to buy Kevin Keegan from Liverpool at that time and had German internationals in the side and beat Real Madrid in the semi-final to face Forest. Forest were underdogs for the match.

    Forest beat Liverpool in an earlier round to play Malmo the year before. The Liverpool that had won the two previous European Cups.

  43. S Asoa

    Bamford

    A goat up there keeping on bleating before it is consigned to kebabs ,hopefully so also the Paymaster.
    Ignore

  44. Pierre

    Jim
    “When was the last impressive FA Cup victory?”

    Against villa 4-0….the most convincing victory in an f a cup final in my life time…admittedly villa were poor but the football we played that day was a joy to watch…… Le Grovellers must have hated it

  45. vicky

    Any credible explanation why Coq has regressed a lot this season ? I mean he wasn’t ever a great player but at least he was good at defending the back 4 till last season,did his job.

  46. OleGunner

    Bizarre this Pierra fellow calls this site and its users Le Grovellers (very dismissive and elitist view) but is frequently found posting here.

    I think Untold Arsenal is more his sort?

    Anyways I will add to those saying a trophy is a trophy but there’s always context and nuance that can be applied. Smashing a Real Madrid and Juventus is more impressive than beating Donetsk and Roma to win the Champions League for instance.

    After a few years, the trophy looks no different but it does instill a sense of pride to say you beat the best on the way to capturing it.

    Of course the key is always just winning trophies, a far cry where we are at the moment.

  47. Wallace

    vicky

    adjusting his role, pushing him further upfield chasing the turnovers – while an interesting move be Wenger, I thought – hasn’t really worked, and has left him looking a little bit at sea.

  48. Danny

    Pierre
    Can remember 3 or 4 massive semi finals against Liverpool…
    —————————————-
    If I remember correctly, Ray Kennedy did us a favour in the last one

  49. Red&White4life

    “Any credible explanation why Coq has regressed a lot this season ?”
    apart wenga ?? Not a clue…

  50. vicky

    Wallace

    Fair enough but I remember him pushing forward on odd occasions even while playing with Santi and he didn’t look out of sorts. Used to be a fantastic tackler nevertheless whether playing deep or pushing forward,,haven’t seen much of that this season.

  51. Bamford10

    Vote Leave

    Actually, two different claims were made, and you’re confusing the two. Now pay close attention, because it’s clear that logic isn’t your strong-suit.

    My first claim is that we are unlikely to beat City in the semi-final, because Wenger is not good against big teams, is not good in big games, and is definitely not good again big teams in big games. No one can gainsay this — and no, one win here or there does not prove the contrary.

    (Note that I did not say we have “no chance” against City, as you falsely claim.)

    My second claim was that playing City in the FAC semi is a bigger ask than playing Spurs. Many here disagree with this and think Spurs are better than City. I don’t think Spurs are better than City — though they’ve played better — and I also think our mentality would be different stepping onto the field against City than it would stepping on to the field against Spurs. My claim is that our players believe they are better than Spurs when they step on the field to play them and that they do not believe the same when they step on to the field against City.

    You and your lot have done nothing to gainsay my two claims.

  52. Bamford10

    Wallace

    You’re probably right re Coquelin, but I also think that my and others’ assessment of him way back when — i.e., he’s a hard-working squad player, no more — was correct.

  53. Wallace

    Cazorla’s injury also probably quite a big factor in Coq’s season. they are a good partnership. Coq’s role maybe simplified.

  54. underrated Coq

    Bamford10

    ‘You’re a reasonable sort, but that’s a terrible argument.’

    Terrible how? That we didn’t face decent sides in the Finals? Maybe because we dispatched a few in our run-in. Liverpool, Tottenham, Everton, United among them.

    Playing Liverpool in Final would have been tougher than playing them two days after getting scarred by a 5-1 demolition?
    Playing United at Wembley would have been tougher than playing them at Old Trafford?
    As for Manchester City, you have to be taking the piss. Arsenal have beat them more often than not in recent seasons.

  55. Bamford10

    Underrated

    Were any of those teams the best teams in England at the time? No. City and Chelsea were, so we advanced to the final —where we beat dross — without having to play the best teams.

    Did we beat a couple of decent teams en route? Sure. But none of those were all that impressive.

    As for City, you’re telling me you favor Arsenal over City? That’s interesting, because the bookmakers don’t. Look again at our wins over them. Look again at the XIs. Look again at recent form. No impartial observer would favor Arsenal. And again, I’m not saying we have no chance. City’s defense is suspect, no question. But they are better in midfield and in attack, and I give them the edge on account of their quality and on account of Guardiola relative to Wenger.

  56. underrated Coq

    vicky, Wenger happened. Coquelin had found a role he was good at, ofcourse Wenger had to change this. Not the first player to get affected by Wenger’s fetish for playing them out-of-position, won’t be the last.

  57. underrated Coq

    Come on Bamford, the time we faced and beat Liverpool, they were superb. A Gerrard slip allowed City to sneak in to a title victory. Best side?

    We might not beat City now, but Arsenal had the measure of the Pelligrini led side.

  58. Bamford10

    Yes, Liverpool were good that year, but they had just waxed us 5-1, it was played at the Emirates and we were fortunate Webb didn’t give Liverpool a penalty on a clumsy Ox take-down of Suarez in the box. Sure, it was something, but I remain unimpressed. Do you remember the final against Hull? Hull were without four of their starting XI and we still made hard work of it. Sorry, that was a tawdry Arsenal side and a tawdry performance.

  59. underrated Coq

    Oxlade Chamberlain is smarter than he looks if reports about him wanting to leave are real. He’s stagnated, couple more years under Wenger and he would be kissing goodbye to his hopes of reaching full potential. Similar to Ramsey, destroyed because Wenger couldn’t figure out where and how to utilize him.

    The Ditherer is truly an apt title for Wenger.

  60. vicky

    Boro Primorac is set to leave Arsenal at the end of the season according to twitter rumors. He has been at the club for as long as Wenger has been.

  61. Samesong

    Boro Primorac is set to leave Arsenal at the end of the season according to twitter rumors. He has been at the club for as long as Wenger has been.

    Shrek can leave

  62. underrated Coq

    Ozil saying he is settled and happy in London. You can see it coming, can’t you? Sanchez quits, Arsenal shit their pants and offer Ozil 250-300k per week to which he agrees, Ozil comes out with pr spin talking up how integral Wenger was to his decision to extend, the clown Gazidis makes his once-a-year appearance to announce his pleasure at getting Wenger to agree to a two-three year extension.

  63. Vote leave

    Bamford10March 14, 2017 13:02:38
    PierreThat’s a straw-man. No one is saying that winning a cup tie is as simple as showing up. The point is that beating City is more impressive than beating Aston Villa and beating Chelsea is more impressive than beating Hull City — and an FAC in which you beat the former is more impressive than one in which you beat the latter.If we were looking at Hull in the semi and Villa in the final, everyone here would give us a good chance. Chelsea then City? No chance. Much, much harder to do, and Wenger isn’t capable of beating big teams.So yes, every FAC is an FAC, but they are not all as equally difficult to win, impressive or meaningful.

    Your words

    “NO CHANCE”

    Now pay attention because logic isn’t your strong suit
    Arsenal have beaten city and Chelsea in the last 14 months

    I couldn’t give Monkeys testicle about who we beat or how many claims were made
    I’m just saying that we do have much better odds than “no chance”
    Which you falsely claimed that I falsely claimed.
    You don’t even realise what you’re saying do you

  64. Bamford10

    Vote Leave

    As I said, logic isn’t your strong-suit: I said “no chance” to our beating BOTH City and Chelsea, not to our getting past City.

    Better luck next time, guy.

  65. Bamford10

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    If you read more carefully, you’d see that I give us some chance against City, though not a great one. I’d say we have a 1 in 4 chance, whereas SkyBets has us as something like a 1 in 3 chance.

  66. Vote leave

    Yeah and I’m saying we can beat them both
    We beat them both last season
    Why can’t we do it this year?

    Stop twisting your words
    Just admit that we are more than capable of beating either side and that you made a silly call and got it wrong again.
    I’d rather face Chelsea than mourinho at united if I’m honest

  67. Red&White4life

    “Yeah and I’m saying we can beat them both”

    lol you have probably said the same when we drawn Bayern in the CL

  68. Jim Lahey

    Boro Primorac leaving Arsenal could potentially be huge.. The guy has been there as long as Wenger. Hopefully indicates that Arsene is set to leave?

  69. Red&White4life

    “Hopefully indicates that Arsene is set to leave?”

    And also that I will win the lottery next time.

  70. Carts

    Pedro, that was a solid list there! Keep it up.

    Boro Primorac to leave. Never thought I’d see the day.

    He’s added no value to Arsenal in anyway shape or form! An abolute cling-on, whose been made rich

    Looks like the house of cards are crumbling. Regardless of the DoF rumours and if we some how win the FAC, Wenger should leave gracefully.

  71. Carts

    I ask myself every so often: how did Arsenal get to this stage?

    – be careful what young wish for

    As in what exactly…so Wenger leaves, we get in a new manager who might slip out of top 4 for a couple of seasons while he attempts to rid the squad of shite and establish himself, then so be it.

    You won’t find one Arsenal supporter who wants to see Wemger leave, followed by a new arrival wining the league let alone guaranteeing top 4.

    – there’s no one else out there

    This was a term that was often coined whenever the summer transfer window would slammed shut and we were left to scratch our heads while Arsenal accumulated dozens of million in profit .

    Incredible, because fans wouldn’t see this as Wenger’s duty to identify players and go tooth and nail for them. Yet it was only ever Wenger who had final say on player acquisition!

    I knew from early that the expectation of supporters was being diluted, deliberately. Again, there were plenty of supporters who’d say “oh X, don’t be silly, he’d never sign for us”. Why,? because project youth was a mechanism deliberately implemented to lower expectations and relive Wenger of accountability because Chelsea and Utd had “money”.

    – if we get rid of Wenger we could end up like Utd

    Thenso be it. Wenger’s ideologies run through the spine of Arsenal. Forget Gazidis and Kroenke – tis Wenger who calls the shots and decides on what direction we go. A man that’s on record saying he’d hand £100m back if he was given it. Madness! Turned down Xabi Alonso for the sake of Denilson’s career.

    He’s on records about why he has implemented a socialist wage structure that saw us pay the like of Bendtner and Djourou way more than they should ever have received. Yet is reluctant to meet Sachez’s wage demand

    – Wemger has done so much for us

    And the overwhelming majority of us are grateful for this. This has never been in question, either. Desperate AKBs will conflate things to make out as if we don’t care about anything Wenger has accomplished. This is simply not true. As supporters who pay through the snoz, we want change!

    – the board doesn’t care

    We know this. But the truth is that the board doesn’t pick the starting 11, nor do they subjugate Wenger to the likes of Santos, Chamakh, Ramsey, Coq, Almunia, jenkinson et al. The aforementioned were all done by Wenger, not some flakey DoF brought in from Portsmouth under Gaydamak and Redknapp, ffs.

    They give Wenger a margin to work with, where Wenger is solely responsible for wages and what you see is what Wenger has created

  72. Redtruth

    Red
    “I’m telling you, a defeat in the FA Cup final against the Spuds , and it’s GAME OVER for le mighty prof lol”

    Wenger would be rewarded with a bumper contract because Arsenal fans are pussies

  73. steve

    @vote leave

    “We beat them both last season”

    ___

    Erm I’m pretty sure Chelsea won both league games last season.

  74. Redtruth

    If sides took.the FA Cup seriously then you would not be getting these 4 teams competing against each other in the Semi-Final.
    The FA Cup used to be a battle whereas as now it’s soft and much easier for the bigger teams with bigger squads to reach the latter stages.

  75. Pierre

    Danny

    Can remember 3 or 4 massive semi finals against Liverpool…
    —————————————-
    If I remember correctly, Ray Kennedy did us a favour in the last one”

    Highfield road Coventry… Brian talbot with a header…. Arsenal 1 Liverpool 0…..I think it was 1980.. . Kennedy had already signed for Liverpool by then

  76. Markymark

    I was hoping the pop up advert when I entered this site saying “GET OUT” was aimed at Wengo.
    Did make me wonder if the decent sites such as you, Gooner etc could do a joint Facebook / social media Wenger Out petition / vote .