So big news the web over yesterday, mostly to do with Italians! First up, Milan players left the pitch during a friendly because of racial abuse from the fans. I can’t believe that we’re still dealing with this nonsense in modern times. Herd mentality is a nasty thing. I just find it amazing that in Italy, one of the most developed European countries, we’re still having problems that would make the eighties look normal.
The second story that didn’t have much to do with race was the big bust up Mancini had with Mario. I’m no sure how the pictures were sourced, but there’s something to be said about having an open training ground. From what I gather, Mancini lost the plot after a bad Mario tackle. For me, it’s terrible management to lose your temper in that way. It shows you’re slightly unstable. That type of behaviour will please Alex Ferguson for sure. As for the Italian striker, well, how many more chances can you give him? He’s on a huge contract, he’s been given chance after chance, but he’s just far too dim to ever learn what’s best for him. Such a shame as well, he’s seriously talented and it’s all going to go down the pan for him.
I’d take his talent at Arsenal, not his dopey attitude…
Just before I get of non-Arsenal issues, I can’t believe that the young boy who ‘blacked up’ to look like his Leeds hero has been lambasted in the press for racism. That’s a ten year old boy the newspapers have pilloried for wanting to dress up like his footballing hero. Unbelievable. Shame on all the pathetic commentators on the Internet who thought it necessary to send a quote into the Daily Mail and The Sun over that one. If any point about that story is worth investigating further, it’s how his dad allowed Diouf to become a role model for his son.
Anyway… enough about other stuff, onto The Arsenal.
What have with this morning then?
Well, Chamakh to West Ham on loan was talk of the web late last night. Sam Allardyce has seen height, he’s seen heading ability and he’s seen a sh*t tonne of wet look gel that he reckons could be the key to unlocking his potential.
You know… take the gel away and free his head? It must weigh a lot… like, hindering his ability and stuff?
That’s the only reason I can think he’d be interested him. Anyway, the move isn’t permanent, and I’m sure West Ham’s contribution will equal about 5% of his salary, but at least he’ll be away from the training ground and he won’t darken out bench. It’ll also mean there’s a higher chance of Wenger bidding on a striker.
Talking of Arsene Wenger he’s already starting to back track on what he’s planning to do this transfer window.
Now, before I get into this, remember, there’s no such thing as a coded Wenger message these days. People always say, ‘don’t listen to what he says, he’s just gaming the media’… well, the media are there for your benefit. For the record, generally what he says he does…
‘First of all we have to make sure the players who are here stay here, then we look outside’
Well Arsene, no offence, but you’ve had the best part of 18 months to make sure Theo stays, if you don’t have all your paper work in order by now, what have you been doing. Surely, as far as the manager is concerned, he just signs off the salary and leaves it to Ivan and Dick? Those two can’t have a permanent January meeting securing the futures of Sagna and Theo.
So what’s the deal? Well, here’s the deal and here’s the real insight…
‘The most important players are those that are here. Those available on the transfer market will not help us win games’
Errrr… what?
There you have it. In one comment, Wenger’s thoughts on bolstering his squad. Any hope of him making a serious charge this window seem to have dissipated. I mean, I could see maybe one player coming in. However, the idea that he was looking to strengthen everywhere seems a little far fetched. He does this every year, gets through to January, lies to the fans about his plans, then reneges mid-month. Same old Wenger, still dreaming he can turn the fortunes of the club around with average players.
Still, it is what it is. If I can take any solace from those comments, it’s that I’m pretty certain we’ll continue to perform badly for the rest of the season and that by the end of it, if it’s gone horribly wrong, he’ll either leave or he’ll be forced into making some serious changes. Any manager who can look at our set up and say additional players won’t help the cause really has run his course in the modern game. We have a near enough full squad to choose from and we can barely muster a shot against Southampton.
That said, I’ve pointed out on many occasions that I think a different manager could squeeze more out of this current squad with bit more planning and structure.
I thought these comments from Arsene were interesting on Holtby.
“We have looked at [Holtby], yes,”
“People want to see the next Lionel Messi – they don’t want to see a promising guy. The name of the player gives people hope, but when they haven’t heard of them people are already sceptical.
“It’s much more difficult for us now. The competition is higher. We are trying to diversify a bit more because we are limited in England. A new market that is very interesting is Japan – it’s very competitive.
Firstly, I don’t think football fans dislike seeing a promising player. What they don’t like seeing is an average young player thrown in at the deepend and left to drown for 5 season until they become an effective piece in the jigsaw. Alex Song is a prime example of this. Useless for years, has one good season, we all praise the lord, then he’s flogged to Barcelona as a bench warmer for £15million. Where was the value in that? The past 7 years have been littered with examples where players have clearly failed to live up to their ‘superstar child’ tag within the first couple of seasons, but their potential talents have been persisted with for years after. Senderos, JD, Vela, Bendtner, Aliadiere… the list is vast.
When it comes to promise, give me a Cesc or Jack Wilshere any day of the week. I’m happy to watch talent flourish next to experienced players. Trouble with Arsene is he gets it so wildly wrong with the mix.
As for his comments on scouting. Well, shouldn’t we have diversified where we look for players? Or perhaps moved for the good players earlier? I mean, there’s not doubt France are producing less great footballers, but plenty have still slipped under our radar over the past few years. Ribery, Benzema, Hazard and Cabaye to name but a few…
I think the biggest issue is the efficiency of our scouting network. It’s not exactly churning out the superstars considering the expense associated with their employment. Everton and Newcastle have taken the lead in picking up the gems. Who’s asking questions about why that is? Who is asking questions as to how we can be pinching the lesser clubs best youth talent but failing to really convert them into top, top players?
Wenger complains about competition, but generally in business, the biggest advantage is being first to market. His complaints ring the stagnation bell in my head. How did we not capitalise on the early advantage? How did we fail to keep pace with clubs with smaller budgets and less expertise?
Final piece of transfer gossipery is the timely announcement that forgotten man Yann M’Vila is on the market.
“I am at Rennes at the moment so let’s see what happens,”
“If the club receive a good offer and I like the destination then I will go, there is no doubt about that. Until that happens, nothing can be said.”
Well I’ll be damned. If a good offer comes in, something might happen. Insightful stuff!
Swansea are up tomorrow in the FA Cup. It’s an away game and I’m quite excited about it even though I know the chances of a cock up are possibly quite high. I think Wenger has his whole squad to pick from and they should be relatively fresh. I’m looking forward to laying the home game demons to rest and I’m hoping our British players really show the away support that the FA Cup is actually an important trophy and they do desperately want to win it.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see a few changes in the squad. Maybe this is the game to rest Sagna and bring in Jenkinson. Maybe this is a game where we bring Giroud back into the fold. We know how they’re going to play. They’ll press out midfield and full backs and they won’t tire. We need to be bold and incisive and we need to make sure we’re direct. Movement from the front three is imperative, it was quite poor against Southampton. The game will be fairly open, Swansea will play football, so really there’s no excuse for us not to excel tomorrow. We need to be careful of their widemen and we need to be aware that Michu can finish from out the box, from in the box and he can get in behind our defenders.
Let’s keep them crossed for a big result.
Danny, yeah. the same guy… while we have heard about Dortmund’s stars’ exploits and Falcao, and others, he somehow has gone anonymous this season…. I felt he can be a substitute to Goetze.
Also Cazorla will be much more effective in the wings if we had someone like Fabregas/Goetze/Pastore in the middle.
the month will define us.
i can’t help but think chamahk’s going to excel at west ham if he starts on a regular basis.
i’m hoping rosicky plays tomorrow and shows wenger what an attacking midfielder looks like.
thats fucking it!!!! spud cunts get holtby????????? thats it…i dont give a flying fuck anymore. i have given up on this team and i dont care what anyone says. im sick of this shit. its either fuck ‘em or my health and mental condition deteriorates. i will not attend another game, i will not buy any of their shite. they have ruined my day/ weekend for the last fucking day!!!!! sick of this shite!!!!!!!!
Villa? Yesterday’s man for yesterday’s team…..it’s over
Sean lmao at u you goon wanker ha ha ha
I am the best Jew since Jesus !!!!
Chamakh gone abeilt temporary
10 More to go
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Chamakh gone abeilt temporary
10 More to go
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Plus the control nut manager.
Unfortunately I live in a family of Tottenham supporters so I am surrounded by their media.
They look such a solid outfit, and I can see their young fan base growing because they have good players and are always a team to watch in the transfer window.
We are a cheap side, and we look it now.
No backbone, no drive, don’t care if we win lose or draw…soulless. In it for the many, just like most of our players
*money
‘Those available on the transfer market won’t help us win games’
Pedro’s headline says it all. Wenger will buy no one. Walcott will be the only one signing on . All the propaganda about having the squad back to full fittest is another sign that our waster of a manager is not buying.
Holtby to spurs also shows where we are at as a club under our lord and master. …… behind spurs . Forget all this Villa nonsense , wenger has probably started it for his own purpose.
Wenger is the brick on the rope that is pulling us down and too many arsenal supporters still believe in him , hook, line and sinker!
Kwik Fit:
I said a few weeks ago I didn’t want Wenger to buy anyone.
Either the players will be young, shit or half decent but he’ll be unable to get the best out of them playing them all at right wing.
Imagine if Chamackh starts scoring for Allardyce.
Wenger will tell you all what a great player he is.
Doublegooner
The performance of the team against relegation fodder on new years day showed what Wenger is all about. The team had come off a 7/3 demolition job on Saturday. You would think that they would then be firing on all cylinders. No not Arsene’s team. They came out tepid and uninterested and should have been beat. The substitutions on the 70th min showed once again (as if we needed to see) that Wenger hasn’t a clue how to change the course of a game. Ramsey and Gerviniho I fucking ask you ! How would those two change a game? Ramsey’s at least trys but Gerviniho should never have been allowed to wear an Arsenal shirt ever again following his miss against the mighty Bradford.
that miss makes we want to puke
Kwik
But we can’t compete with the financial muscle of Southampton…it’s an unfair playing field!
Handbrake….financial fair play….sustainable business model….self sustaining policies et cetera
CA
It is Janauary 4th and we have already had numerous comments from our lord and master about transfers and the difficulty of finding the right players. His spin is going into overdrive. We have another 27 days of listening to the wenger bullshit about players coming back, finding the right players, stunting the growth of certain players etc.
I swear to fuck I can not take muck more of this Shit anymore.
But Heh What to Fuck we have a ground to die for!
cant wait for this cunt to be gone sick of hearing his bullshit last week he likes ba then he goes to chelsea yesterday he likes holtby then he goes spurs in summer we dont have a prayer with this senile old cunt in charge i sat here hoping for defeats against reading wigan and newcastle to heap more pressure on him what do we get 3 wins so we have to listen to more of his shit……wake me up when hes gone ive had enough
Kwik
You’re not alone though.
All the old pros/pundits etc are defending him now which means he’s got to be nearing the end…I hope.
Once they all start gathering around a manager like that it’s telling.
Look at the DM today, far and away the largest transfer budget in the league…yet our targets aren’t that great barring a few.
Nip over to Everton offer them money and a player(s) for Baines and Fellaini, pick up M’Vila who’s a bargain right now, David Villa on loan with option to buy (agree decent figure) see if he can cut it and then I’d get Nani off United.
That’s a serious injection of talent, how much more tenacious does our middle look with M’Vila and Fellaini?
Finally having a winger who’s actually a winger in Nani!
A flying left back, danger from set pieces but also great in defence player in Baines.
Then we get a win win out of Villa – have him on loan and he contributes because he is still class, no good? Send him back. Works nicely activate the option to buy!
We’ll get Luke Shaw and some player like Cabella who Wenger will begrudgingly buy whilst texting Aaron Ramsey and assuring him his starting place is not under threat!
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The day UFOs hovered over Fiorentina’s Stadio Artemio Franchi
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once chamackh scores a few wenger will say he always believed in him as he has great qualitys and that there is a way back for him
enter pep guardiola, our new manager to try and salvage something. step forward usmanov to be his enforcer! wenger is a hero turn villian! holtby to spuds! then mounthino then willan!
i promised my self i wasnt going to do it this january but i am sitting here refreshing the transfer page on sky sports hoping for something big even though i know it wont happen getting more and more pissed off with every refresh,like a drug addict who keeps coming back for more……never mind 27 days more of pain to go…..the transfer that would make me happiest is wenger out
CA
I think if even Wenger bought 4/5 players such as Villa/Fellani/Baines/M’villa/M’biwa his team would still play with a lack of desire and organisation. He’s a very poor manager and motivator , he’s a liar and an egotistical prick who has long gone past his sell by date.
Kwik
No argument here…I’ve said he’s tactically weak for years
I dont know why it winds people up on here when we dont sign anyone. its not like its something we arent used to.
its been the same since 2006. everyday we piss and moan about he we could of or should of signed.
we dont have a divine right to sign anyone the same as we dont have the right to finish 4th every season. we are (were) the best of a bad bunch.
we are just unforrunate we pay the highest prices for mediocrity.
wenger out.
stan out.
or half the ticket prices and pay the going rate for average.
we will all continue to support the club regardless of owner-manager-players-board.
rant over.
Chamakh and Caroll upfront – Worst Barnets a striking duo have ever had.
Wengers making all the right noises to not buying anyone. He likes to categorise things. Just because Arshavin didn’t work and was bought in January, that must mean any transfer In January is a mistake… Simples…
He said it before buying players in jan drives up the price which he doesn’t agree with….
* unfortunate. stupid phone !
‘I think the biggest issue is the efficiency of our scouting network. ‘ It doesn’t matter how good the network is if the Manager is so arrogant that he doesn’t give a shit what they say anyway.
Northerngooner
‘we dont have a divine right to sign anyone’
The fact that we pay the highest prices means we should have aright to expect our management to buy quality players
That said I think our scouting network needs changes mystic. Newcastle and Everton have better networks than ours now. Needs freshening up.
Watch these two, then watch the 2 below.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ca78AfsfTo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HYiVvd7tHg&playnext=1&list=PLxTMZai9TxcTUO73opiwHIMQNdo0r712K&feature=results_main
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AT2SPOhw0SQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMhNtq2WPvA
Is this really the same man?
midlandgunner January 4, 2013 20:49:19
‘ i sat here hoping for defeats against reading wigan and newcastle to heap more pressure on him what do we get 3 wins so we have to listen to more of his shit……’
Sorry mate I really can’t understand why people want to cross the line and hope the team lose – had they done so we would STILL be getting the same sort of shit from Wenger, he wouldn’t be going anywhere (guys above him love his financial prudence) and the team would simply be fucked up even more.
Lee Pace
Those you tube clips should have come with a health warning
@TOLI83
You are right that the scouting network needs changing, BUT unless that twat Wenger is prepared to listen to them is there any point in investing and freshening?
Lacey Banghard’s is her real name. Can you believe that……..I never would have imagined her to be called something like Lacey!
Got to agree with Kwik fit 20:59.
Ironically even Arsene seems to realise it with his pathetic and feeble statement “those available on the market won’t help us win games” .
Well if it’s not down to a lack of quality (which we all know is bollocks) then what else would he like to suggest is the cure? The man has lost it, sad as that is, it’s true. Years of penny pinching and making do whilst himself receiving a kings ransom have taken it’s toll and there’s little hope that he’ll ever get it back now.
He is shattered, beaten and spent to the point were not even his past delusional responses hold any weight among observers. He’s run out of ideas, run out of excuses (simply repeating the same old tosh) is running out of support and has apparently decided to completely cast aside any integrity he was once so admired for.
There’s little doubt he’s been hamstrung by our diminishing financial clout in the face of the New Mafia & sovereign wealth that’s invaded our shores. However, that’s no excuse as to why the other half dozen teams have been allowed to either catch us up or be in anywhere near a position to do so.
If it’s all down to the board then any other manager would’ve pissed off long ago before seeing his ambitions fucked! So if he’s happy to stick around and take the big pay day then it’s hardly surprising we’ve so many average players doing the exact same thing. Which might go some way to explaining just how far the man has lost his dressing room.
True they all might as well spend all year on a beach in Thailand, Wenger don’t want to know anyway .
How the fuck has this happened to our club…
We need 11 new players before the Munich game! Tick tock Wenger!
Just to make it more exciting and practical, there should be a new angle to the game of football. A club should be able to hire (for a price) any player from any other club when they are short. So for example if a club has many injuries and falls short, they should be able to call another club that’s got surplus bench warmers of the kind needed and get them to play just for that match.
This insane idea that every club is STUCK with the players it has but for a couple of windows during the year is absurd and very limiting. It would be a bit like hiring cars. You need to impress your date so you hire a BMW for the day instead of the rusty old battered Volvo and see how you go. What do you think?
Our scouting network isnt the problem.
We had Di Maria wrapped up, we had Mata as good as signed, Cahill ditto, Yaya, Ibrahimovic, Ronaldo, Ribery, Alonso
We need a Director of Football.
Usually I hate the idea of the manager not being involved in transfers, but with Wenger it has to be done, he hasnt got the balls to go and pay £23m for Mata so we need someone who will.
Our board is really appaling,
HillWood, Friar, Lord fucking Harris of Peckham, Sir Chips Keswick?
Do me a favour, all in their 70s, 20 years behind the times with zero football knowledge.
My idea would suit Wenger to the ground. He wouldn’t ever have to buy anyone again – phew what a relief I hear you say. He could just take any 11 players from any number of clubs and put them to work just for one match. I’m pretty sure they would perform just as well if not better than the regular 11.
Any team of able-bodied men can play tippi-tappi football like we do. Forward, sideways, forward, backward, sideways goalie and repeat in any combination ending up with losing the ball. If Van Persie can suddenly switch from being AFC through and through to being Man U because the little boy in him suddenly became chatty and told him to shaft Wenger, anything is possible I say.
kwik.
thats the point I am trying to make.
we either have a complete reshuffle of the non playing staff or they knock 40-50% off the ticket prices because the playing staff are average at best.
Wenger doesn’t seemed to have changed his scouting personnel in years though, still the same names in the same places.
Jeff it could work. Would there be outrage though if city paid a cash strapped athletico a huge sum of money for falcao just for the title run In, he wins it for them then leaves again?
Tol,
Isn’t that what happens anyway; come the transfer window the big boys get their cheque books out and splash the cash. I think it would actually send the cash-rich clubs into weekly bidding wars which means cash-strapped clubs wouldn’t have to sell their best players and players who want to play for other clubs may do so and win medals if they are selected to take part in the final. The clubs wouldn’t lose their identity because very few players remain loyal to the end anyway. You have temporary staff and contract workers in all industries; why not football?
Listen guys. Wenger doesn’t want world class players. He doesn’t want a good enough team to compete. That would mean he would have high expectations and be blasted if he fails. He can’t take the heat. He’s scared to compete.
yo fellow gooners! whats the odds of us reaching the CL quater finals?
Is there anything more pathetic than Gambon telling us he should be a football CEO … Son, you’re a blog poster on a fansite … the fact that you spend your entire life here and on Fantasy Football doesn’t qualify you for anything. At all.
And why do you keep talking about Jimmy Saville?
Are you a fan of Rauschenberg’s ‘Monogram’ by any chance … a joke way beyond your capacities of understanding I’m afraid.
It could even work at managerial level. We ask Wenger to go and manage Lille for a bit whilst Rudi Garcia goes to some other needy club and we get Guardiola and see what happens. I think it’s a good idea. Every players and manager will have a “base” club but won’t necessarily have to manage the same club all the time.
maroc
we have two hopes.
bob is one of them
tbh, ibrahimovic was asked to trial for arsenal (b4 hes illustrious rise to fame) however he said (in 3rd person): ‘trial??!’ ibrahimovic doesnt DO trials.’ and then he left. its in hes autobiography ‘i zlatan’ i think. hes encounters with pep g at barca are a real laugh though, ‘listen im a ferrari right now youre driving me like a fiat’ how can u say dat to your manager? LOL! dat guy is jokes! no lie!
What the fuck is Wenger’s internal logic?
That he is a total genuis – in his own mind. Just all of us don’t understand.
Jeff I like it, it’s a lot better than what I have to go through at the moment so an improvement… However partnerships will be made between clubs I reckon. Would I be happy spurs getting di Maria and benzema vs us because they leant bale for el Classico not so sure….
Would I be happy us getting Ian holloway for a season because we leant them Wenger for a game. Yes absolutely…
These buddy’s need to be re- united Wenger at any price.We the fans don’t give a fuck how much you spend . Just spend big boy!
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Tol,
Both clubs would have to agree to it and the price has to be right. I’m pretty sure the players would love it as well because any player from any club (if they are good enough) will get the chance to win a medal and a trophy or play in the Bernabeu or Camp Nou or San Siro. The other thing it will do is take away the de-motivational aspect of playing for the same “loser” club and I’m sure every player will play his heart out in the hope of being selected by one of the big boys for a big game. I see it as a win-win for both club and player.
They look close… Let Gazidis offer him them send Cazorla round to his house to close him, whatever ever way possible… Keep Wenger out of it!
A little bit more on what I mentioned yesterday.. Zeki Fryers, the former United player, was signed by Standard Liege on a free transfer, after United failed to agree compensation with Spurs, who were only willing to pay a couple of million, while United wanted 6 million. So Spurs persuaded Liege to sign him for peanuts, and then as soon as Jan window opened 4 months later, they’ve signed him for half the fee that United wanted off them.. Fergie is furious, says its the sort of dodgy deal he would expect from Daniel Levy! Be interesting to see what the FA decide to do, seeing as Lord Ferguson has complained!
P.S. Arsenal now odds on favourites to sign David Villa after a flurry of bets. Is our dream about to come true, all be it 5 years later than it should have been?
Wouldn’t it be funny if David Villa turns up at the next training session and Wenger knows nothing about it? I wonder what he would do. It’s actually worth “pranking” him just for the hell of it.
The Odds on Arsenal signing Villa have been slashed tonight from 8/1 to 6/4. We should have banners on Sunday reading;
‘ We Demand The Signing Of Villa You Cheapskate Fucker’
I just don’t understand why he doesn’t come clean and tell us the truth, are you being restricted or not?
david villa? hes 31. . . what about falcao? or am i dreaming to much again?
Dannyboy,
Do you remember what happened with Sahin in the summer? We were clear favourites right up till the end when Wenger suddenly pulled out and Liverpool signed him. That’s just one example of so close and yet never really possible.
To my mind it is simply another exercise in making it look like we are interested and even bidding silly money to prove it knowing that we’ll get rejected. We sometimes even haggle and procrastinate to put the other club off trying to sell us a player in whom they genuinely think we are interested.
It’s the same Modus Operandi, the same old claptrap.
For the players it would be exceptional, especially those from abroad returning home for the odd game here and there and English players getting a taste of how it is abroad. It’s like travelling but been able to return home after.
In practice it could work and would be spectacle, the way it’s going and how football is moving away from values and loyalty this could be a possibility for the future with money been thrown at the game.
See any issues around tapping and injury cover whilst doing those loans / swaps?
Trouble is every time our player went to one of these teams they wouldn’t want to come back!
Yeah Jeff, I won’t be getting my hopes up, or believing any rumours until I see him parading around the pitch with his kit on.. There’s a general rule you can follow where if Wenger says something positive, i.e. ‘I will be busy in January’ then he is lying/manipulating us all so that we think he means signing players, when he actually means selling players and then trying to replace them but he couldn’t find the top top top qualidee. Where as if he says something negative. i.e. ‘We are not interested in signing so and so’ then we won’t get them.
David Villa is a great player – but he’s just another tiny technical fleet o’ foot forward. And he’s 31 years old.
Which problem does this solve exactly?
Maroc, the chances of Arsenal signing Falcao under Wenger, are about the same as the chances of Ronaldo and Messi handing in transfer requests, as it is their dream to play in North London….
Contrary to what Gambon say the likes of Falcao and Cavani are beyond us the min they go on the market all the big boys are involved and we can’t match them. But we could certainly afford the likes of Benzema, Higuain and Jovetic if we had guts. Oh and apparently we’re also being linked to Howedes which is very promising
I wish we could hire Balotelli to get Wenger sorted!
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Haha is that Dover cliffe’s
I don’t know TOL183 but you got to admire his style . Don’t understand why he brought along the cameraman though
Beautiful….Absolutely Beautiful……and the girl ain’t bad either;
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Tol,
There is always going to be someone who wants to take advantage of the system (whatever the system is) and it goes on even in the current one but I just think there needs to be a wholesale change in the club and player or club and manager relationship.
The current permanent parent and child model means both club and player or club and manager can get into a rut and go stale for years and years. When a long term contract is signed and wages agreed – that’s pretty much it. There’s no going back without a very heavy penalty which the club has to bear.
I am sick and tired of certain clubs “collecting” the best players simply because they can, and sometimes not even playing them because they have too many. I don’t believe that a club should “own” a player. It should be more like how it is in other industries where an employee is not “owned” by the company they work for. For permanent employees it is an open ended agreement (they can leave any time they like after giving notice) and for contract workers the agreement may or may not be extended once it expires. But nobody “owns” anyone.
I would like to see an end to long term contracts. They have done us at Arsenal untold damage and continue to be a huge burden which is slowly squeezing the life out of AFC. I know it’s mostly down to Wenger’s pathetic lack in just about every aspect of management but we have somehow ended up with all these players on long term contracts that are on 50-60k per week and give us absolutely nothing in return. I’m sure other clubs also suffer from the same fate. The new system should put an end to that.
wow… can’t blame Bac for turning up to games feeling abit tired really can you?
Well, Ba and Holtby already gone, Debuchy also has left to join Newcastle. Sagna is playing quite bad recently and Jenkinson is definitely not a reliable RB. Debuchy is a much better option; relatively cheap and a France international too, understudy to Sagna.
We really need to bring a new, vibrant and hungry for success Manager. Wenger is too old and too complacent with his own “success”. He think he owns the club’s money and no one can questioned his judgement on his transfer policy. This Arsenal team is so awful, we can only get a draw against Villa, Soton and Sunderland. That’s pathetic.
What must be done, so that someone from the board to say enough is enough and out you go, Wenger! Look at Fiorentina and Dortmund, young managers with new ideas, team playing such an attractive football.
Prob so he can hand deliver a copy to Mancini’s wife then leaves her crying as he zooms off in his camouflage Bentley thinking why always me???
Tony Higgins, the spokesman on anti-racism for Fifpro, the international footballers’ union, said “if racism does not stop, then football will. ”
Beautiful.
Gambon = our very own little Pro Patria fan.
no overnight transfer rumblings. . .
Can you name a club though Jeff that collect players just for the sake of it? I can’t apart from city, possibly PSG heading that way.
As a club yes it would benefit us as we are ran by a complete shower at the top. But these long term deals benefit other clubs,,,, just not us. JD having his testimonial next season for example. I agree with what you are saying in principle but wonder how reluctant or happy clubs and players would be to switch around.
Yes the new system would put an end to it but if a player is on a shorter contract, the player would see that as a higher risk with no security and would wants lot more money in my opinion..
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i used to say that with a lot of pride. . .
David Villa set to ask Barca to let him leave…wouldn’t mind him but you just know Wenger will sign him, take four weeks to do it then sit back like ‘phwwwwwor, thank fuck that’s over.’
Then play him LB
Villa to plead with barce to let him join the arse
Is this guy on crack?
I knew Santi would bring us a present at some stage this Christmas ,,sorry January.
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44735000/jpg/_44735265_villa4_afp416.jpg
Since when do City collect players for fun?
Their squad is smaller than ours, so what does that say about us?
Dont confuse ambition, and a willingness to spend, with some haphazard policy of buying everyone.
Villa to plead with barce to let him join the arse
Is this guy on crack?
Tol,
Not collecting players just for the sake of it but buying at least one world class player in every position with possibly one more as backup. As it happens Chelsea, City, PSG and Man U have the remit to do this and therefore they increase their chances of success in competitions.
The problem is though that whilst these clubs have a collection of very good players who can’t play for anyone other than their owning clubs, other clubs suffer the consequences of not being able to hire or get cover for injuries or lacking in certain positions. So it would open up the possibility of sharing the talent for a price as opposed to now which is that a player can only play for one club.
The switching would have to suit all concerned but if the possibility is there it would make things very interesting and exciting as well. It would mean that if a club has a run of bad luck where half their players in key positions are injured; there is absolutely no chance of putting that right before the next game. It doesn’t even have to be from the same league. There are some excellent players languishing in the lower leagues that would love the chance to play in a premiership team even if it’s only for one day and see perhaps all sorts of avenues open up for them. The scouts would have their work cut out to discover the next Messi without necessarily risking 5 years of wages going down the drain.
If everyone adopts the same system (which they would have to if it was implemented) the money thing would also stabilise. Everyone would have to perform to the best of their ability knowing that every game counts. If you do well your stock will go up and you can demand more money. If you play badly or have limited talent, the demand for your services will decline and you will not be able to earn as much as some others. The demand and supply rules will sort the money thing out as a matter of course.
If he does sign him, the only comparable situation I can think of is when we brought in Davor Suker
Past his absolute prime, but still knew where the goal was
Villa = Project Youth.
I like Villa decent player both footed.
scores goals
David Villa is just a poor man’s Gervinho.
Wenger in the summer “The transfer market will be very slow”
Record breaking transfer window.
Wenger yesterday “things will be very slow”
Sturridge to Liverpool
Ba to Chelsea
Holtby to Spurs
Fryers to Spurs
Cole to West Ham
Ince expected to complete Liverpool move in next few days
Anyone else come to the realisation that every single thing Wenger says is completely wrong?
Many times you see players just running around doing the minimum because they don’t think it’s worth it or means anything. Most especially at Arsenal you see a lot of “jaded” performances and unwillingness to go that extra step to close down or attach the ball. All of that stems from a lack of motivation because the club basically has no aspirations to win anything. This has been made clear to everyone and the players know it.
Take Arshavin for example. When he first came we couldn’t get enough of him. He was and still is an excellent player but suffers from laziness which limits his game. Where does that come from? It comes from the thought that it doesn’t matter whether you play well or not. Nothing will come of it and before you know it all the players (even the ones we think we can usually rely on) start to falter and play with the famous handbrake on.
It has happened so many times now where a player who seemed to be doing well in his previous club comes to Arsenal and completely bombs. It’s not an accident and I think poor club ethos soon starts to rub off on the players and they start winding down. Wenger himself is a nervous wreck which also doesn’t help.
Such bad, lazy journalism:
“Chamakh was prolific in France, scoring 79 goals in 293 appearances for Bordeaux, but has scored just eight Premier League goals for Arsenal since joining the club – and he has yet to appear in this campaign.”
How is that prolific. However, what I will say is that I think he will do well for West ham and good luck to him. Another player totally mismanaged by Wenger.
David Cameron earns 142,500 GBP per annum – Arsene Wenger earns 7,500,000.
Two failures.
What a disgrace England is.
Cant believe people are making up noise about Holtby lol, if he was that good, spurs wouldn’t have got him, much less the gooners! He looks like an OK player, nothing more, don’t throw a fit
Wenger, a failed football club manager, gets paid 50 times the income of the Prime Minister of the UK.
(Mind you, our Dave gets to shift a shit-load of our taxpayer money to his good friends).
Bludger, you could extrapolate that into any countries economy though. Characters out of Jersey Shore probably get paid more than the President on the US and the most powerful man in the world… The world is mad!
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RB
Wouldn’t just bash on DC.
Every single politician is as bent as they come.
The fact you pursue power should automatically preclude you from having it.
hahaah Fergie is such a little bitch, he wants the FA to block Fryers from playing for Spurs, until they have investigated the transfer… he just can’t ever accept someone getting one over on him.
England and the royal family are far more corrupt than China. When will you idiots wake up, or take up arms?
Pathetic Morons.
This is just disgusting, I can’t believe this:
23:55 GMT German outlet Bild reports that Hannover has almost completed a deal to sign Arsenal’s Johan Djourou on loan for the remainder of the season. The Bundesliga side requested a buy-out option in the contract, but Arsenal declined. Hannover general manager Jorg Schmadtke said: “We wanted an option to buy, but Arsenal has not consented.”
(from ESPN’s transfer news blog)
Chamakh turns out to be a loan, Djourou turns out to be a loan. We have a fucking illness with giving our dross loans! Even when people want to BUY. Unbelievable. If it weren’t for his expiring deal I’d bet Squid would get a loan too.
Why cant we loan Wenger too. Seeif he has still got it at another Club, preferably a big Club like Madrid or a rich little Club like the Chavs or Citeh then take him back if He succeeds or dump him if He fails.
Too easy isnt it.
Remember Sahin? That guy that Wenger reluctant to bring him on loan early in the season. Well, apparently this Sahin guy couldn’t even get a place in the Liverpool starting line up, loosing his place to Jordan Henderson. Jordan Henderson? He can’t play bcuz of Henderson? Amazing…
I can still Remember when Sahin plays in midfield with Bender or Kehl. Well, Sahin is a deep-lying playmaker and Bender is the never-stop-running-Energizer type player. So, besides a great pair of CB’s in Subotic and Hammels, Dortmund doesn’t have a so-called midfield enforcer, what they have are organised defence and tactically, Klopp has done wonders with the young team.
Now, Look at Koeman’s Feyenoord. There’s another new young team there that is hungry for success. Too bad, a manager like Wenger is still stuck in 2004.
Yet another transfer window where Arsenal do seem to be depressingly ineffective on the player acquisition front. Once again Wenger has convinced himself that he has a competitive squad- when we have looked substandard at keeper, full back, defensive midfield and up front- in fact all areas for much of the first half of the season.
Once again Wenger uses the transfer window to reduce our options for the remainder of the season by loaning out players who should be sold and not making any serious attempt to replace the loanees.
Talking about strengthening the squad is as far as Wenger ever gets. I agree he lacks the nerve and judgement to make any big signing. Its always the same disappointing crap from the club-well worn excuses to justify transfer inactivity- totally oblivious to the squad strengthening going on at other clubs-.
Dan Ahern January 5, 2013 02:28:10.
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It makes me wonder if wenger is actually trying to get the sack. He always says he never walks away from a contract, well maybe he is looking to be pushed.
I personally reckon he wants the PSG job but he will be exposed as a hypocrite if he was to walk out on Arsenal for one of the oil rich clubs.
Just go asinine, we won’t hold it against you.
This is it. After we lose to the swans, wenger must go. He always honours his contracts so the board MUST sack him on monday. We will never win a thing with wenger in charge again.