Arsenal extended their winning streak to 3, which to the fans that bothered showing was a huge relief. The game didn’t mask the problems though, you can take the match as a morale boosting victory against Greek top 2 or you can take it as a massive warning for Sunday that we need to sharpen up.
The team we threw together was talked of as inexperienced, I’d scrap that and say it was just very average. Chamakh dropped in up top with Oxo and Arshavin. The midfield had Frimpong, Arteta and Rosicky and the backline has Song and Santos in the mix.
Has Wenger written down the Champions Leagues importance? Based on that team you’d have to say chasing 4th is the goal.
We put ourselves on the front foot almost instantly, Alex Song floated a beautiful pass into Oxo who controlled it, cut inside, lost it / gained it back, slipped into the box then banged it low back across goal for his first Champions League goal!
Down the other end some typically shoddy set piece play saw Arteta called into action to make a goal line clearance of note.
Santos put us two ahead when his ball into Chamakh made its way back to him, he dropped his shoulder and slipped the ball inside the keepers near post. A top goal from a very cool customer.
Chamakh had a chance to impress his game on the half when he timed his run perfectly to collect Andrey’s chipped pass, sadly though he dragged his shot hideously wide. Much in the same way Gervinho’s act of greed cost us against Blackburn, I wondered if this miss would cost us today.
Back up our end, Oxlade lost his man outwide, the full back picked out his cross and Fuster headed home unchallenged. A terrible piece of defending. Only Arsenal could concede a header against a team shorter than the Islington under 8′s.
It all turned rather panicked after that. Oxlade might be a dream on the ball but defensively he’s very naive. Frimpong was terrible in possession last night, far too casual and sloppy. We couldn’t string a pass together and in the end we resorted to hoofing the ball out of play.
The second half saw us tighten up defensively, the full backs partook in far less bombing forward and we settled the game. That still didn’t stop them creating chances. The best one saw them hit the bar from 30 yards out.
Song and Mertesacker put in a terrific shift at the back, many were stating that the man from Cameroon looks far better when he’s forced to tackle. The big German looked far more comfortable next to someone who was willing to communicate… The man hug at the end didn’t go unnoticed.
Our best chance came towards the end, Arshavin cut back in their box and toe poked across the keeper, he parried… Where was Chamakh for the rebound? Outside the box… he really is not an Arsenal striker.
The ground cleared out, the ref blew up, all thoughts were on Sundays massive show down.
Conclusions…
Wenger gambled on the game and it paid off. We had a few stand out performances. Andre Santos looks composed, brave and fantastic going forward. He’s presented Wenger with a paracetamol for the cure of the ‘oh no, Gibbs is my best left back’ headache.
Alex Song shouldn’t be playing at centre back. I said this in the summer. He’s either our best DM or he’s fighting it out for a spot in the backline. Fuck what Barca do, we’re not them. He played superbly though. He can play with both feet and he had to play with discipline. Something that doesn’t often happen in midfield.
Mertesacker was man of the match. He worked hard, hoofed when he had to and made sure he was counted. He’s not fast but he’s awkward and tough to get past. He’s our plan B defender for Stoke but he’s more than capable of being plan A.
Oxo looks very slick on the ball, a far more natural talent than Theo. He has nowhere near the pace but he has that unpredictable trickery about him that full backs hate. His tracking exposed us though, that will improve with shower room beatings from Sagna.
The two major disappointments were Frimpong and Chamakh. The midfielder was very lazy in possession and his weak passing destroyed any fluidity to our game time and time again. I like his hustle, but you need more than that to make it at the top.
Chamakh just hasn’t worked out, he can’t turn on the ball, he isn’t mobile and he has no instinct for the net. He is next in line when Robin breaks down. That my friends is scary.
Lots to think about for Sunday. Accountability from set plays is one. Ade is a set piece destroyer. We need to defend the player and the ball, not the space. We’ve also got to work out a way of creating chances, we don’t have the personnel to grind teams down with a million passes. We need to feed our front man quickly and take advantage of our widemens pace.
Sunday is massive for morale, expectation and the race for 4th… not to mention bragging rights. How do you see it panning out?
incesc-
from what i know, at minimum 75% of player sales must be reinvested.
The transfer budget includes player wages as well
Keyser.. up to a point… historically yes they murdered us financially.. But we have closed that gap and Utd are not playing with the same squad that won them titles 10 years ago.. WELL OK.. GIGGSSSS!
But you see what I mean… if you look at my earler post today on losing the CL money.. I estimate that to be 50+m… we made a profit of 56m last year.. wiped out by falling out of the top 4 if that is the position at the end of the season..
I agree that we still have a bit to go but at the same time huge progress has been made. The stadium is now kicking in. Don’t you find it interesting (well not if you’re a season ticket holder!) that we take in more money than Barcelona and Bayern and the big Italian clubs? Yes, Yes, they have their tv income and commercial income.. but now that’s just business and it aint impossible to achieve in the coming few years.
To lose that opportunity that is so close would be a mistake. The biggest boost we can give the commercial department is to have a team, and players, who are succesful. A team that kids and big kids like us all over the world will want to have replica shirts of.. a team that big corporations will want to have their name associated with and so on.. you know where I’m going with that one!
Every extra game at the stadium will bring 3.5m… that’s PL, FA Cup, CL etc.. if we fall out of those competitions early (apart from the PL of course when we are guaranteed 19 games) we start to lose revenue..
If we start to become mediocre attendances will fall.. a 40,000 gate will lose the club 1m per game… that’s a tidy 20m player next summer.. and on and on the downward spiral will go… Nike will have us by the balls in 2014 if we are a 6th placed team… Now if we are top 3-4 and appearing on every tv set around the world I would suggest we cant get a big lump more than we are getting now out of them.
We need to invest to make sure we stay up there… which I guess is my point in the end!
and no need to say this.. but invest what we have…. not what we don’t have!
Little history counts that might make some people open their eyes.
We are a milking cow, and personally, i refuse to be milked, if I can’t even get quality food.
Year Net debt Bank loans Financing costs paid (£m)
2005 153 213.7 3
2006 262.1 284 2
2007 268.2 64.5 18
2008 318.1 139.3 17
2009 297.7 129.6 16.6
2010 135.6 0 18.2
Keyser: I did a simplified picture so that maybe you’d understand the principles. That’s not a comparison, that’s called a metaphor.
The money providers, it;s us, the fans.
The kids, it’s the club.
The school, it’s the competitions.
I don’t see what you really can’t understand, but well, maybe you are 4 though…
Where’s Ju?
Keyser: just in case:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegory_of_the_Cave
incesc says:
September 29, 2011 at 18:25
like the 60m we got for nasri anf fabregas
does that have to be used to get in new players and pay their wages?
and if so why
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Incesc, The boards policy is.. any money made from player sales is made available to the manager to reinvest in the squad.. and..
if not spent.. is carried forward to the next transfer window.
written in the accounts!
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Regarding the salaries….
This comes from the income from the football side of the operation.
match day income, player trading, income from the PL, TV income etc…
So the answer to your question really is that both the transfer fee and the salary comes from the same pot. So a balancing act has certainly to be achieved. The salary must be factored in against future spend.
Wages of 110.7m represented 49.7% of football revenue. (222.9m turnover).
For 2010.
Arsenal Wages of 110.7m.
416 Employees.
Liverpool’s wage costs were 114.3m.
477 Employers.
Man Utd wages were 131.7m.
Employees 620.
Spuds wage bill was 67m.
4 employees
So, far Man U is the only PL team to announce 2011 accounts. Their wage bill rose to 152.9m or a 16% increase. This figure includes bonuses paid to the team for winning the PL.
IvoryGoonz – Because if you work your aSs off on your own merits for the exams you’ll finish top, except how have you worked in the direct interaction with your competitors.
Are you saying that the exams are football matches ? and then how does this correlate to the Stationary available ? Like if your pens bigger than theirs does that mean you’ve got a strong target man striker ?! Or say your pencil is 2b rather than 4b does that mean it has more mental strengths to better apply itself on the A4 pitch of papery life we’ll all watch with intent.
The accounts point to the board supporting the manager financially and there is no doubt that there is extra money there to invest in the squad either through purchases, wages, and is more likely the case a combination of the two.
What is not clear from the accounts is how far does this support go.. Are there salary caps in place and is this actually hindering the manager?
There is evidence that there is a salary cap as the board talk about operating within a range for the salaries. So there must be an upper limit if there is a range.
They say that, at 49.7% we are ‘comfortably within this range. The perceived wisdom out there suggests that a club should be looking to keep salaries within 60% of football revenue to allow for other costs.
Like if your pens bigger than theirs does that mean you’ve got a strong target man striker ?! Or say your pencil is 2b rather than 4b does that mean it has more mental strengths to better apply itself on the A4 pitch of papery life we’ll all watch with intent.
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Thomas – There’s soo many factors you could consider that on it’s own it’s not especially amazing, if you look at say United, they increased their stadium capacity, because while they saved money on not building a new stadium I bet they lost out on being to structure in the corporate boxes that make up soo much of our match day revenue.
The ratio of tv money from the top clubs in Italy to the bottom clubs is now 4-1 it used to be 8-1, it’s why they could afford to have semi-full stadiums, they’ve only recently tried to make it fairer.
In Spain it’s 16-1.
Rohan – Actually maybe you remind me of Sheldon.
so if we have 50m in the transfer pot and buy hazard for 30m does the other 20m have to account for his wages over a 4 year contract or just the first year considering we will be bringing in much more money from fleecing fans over the 4 years?
sorry if im slow but i didnt go to my business studies lessons at school…
Who’s Sheldon?
why are there people still think either we spend 1.5 million, or we splash 500 million in one player?
fuck me there is the whole world in between
we had about 100 million of transfer money we could but all we needed without getting out of the 100 million….
Keyser: keep fooling around Keyser, you just dont want to answer the question. keep it simple.
if you dont have the right tools, and that include the manager, you won’t “finish top”. you will finish top 10% of the times, fail 90% of them. therefore, you will “not finish top” if you want to make an average.
The school, it’s the competitions. As in seasons, CL, EPL, FA, Carling.
There’s only one winner in the school of football.
We have unused ressources, ressources mis-managed, we have 2 billionaires behind the club, don’t go Obama on me and make me believe this crisis is unfortunate, couldnt have been prevented, and will not happen again.
A metaphor is not made to reprocude to the slightest detail the actual thing, there would be no point init? its made to simplify things for simple minded.
Thomas: question is what is the 60% made of.
Ivory, maybe you want to say Wenger isn’t using the resources he has to the fullest. But the analogy implies its a level playing field and we’re just not trying hard enough. Like exams.
Ivory,
we might have some problems, but our main one is the manager….
as simple as that
Yes Keyser, maybe we have more corporate boxes… I don’t actually know! Arsenal ticket prices are also the highest in the world.. I could have focused on that too…
We constantly hear that we cannot compete with blah blah blah… because of money..
It’s important to see where I’m going with all this… and what I am saying and what I am not saying. I am certainly saying that we should expect with these financial resources at our disposal we should be a top 4 club and achieving that should not (again IMO) be seen as an incredible achievement against all the odds. We knock the rest of the PL for dead when it comes to resources. I am not saying, do this and do that and we will win the title. The 3 above us still have advantages… and in City’s case a mind-blowing advantage.
Arsenal made a profit of 56m last year before tax.. After tax this profit was 61m! Yes strange.. but there were, according to the accounts, some long-running issues with the Revenue resolved. Obviously in Arsenal’s favour there.
Liverpool made a 20m loss in 2010. (Liverpool made a net profit on player transfer of 22.8m otherwise the loss would have been greater!)
It’s clear we are the biggest of the lot outside the top three. The club for example is still far healthier than Aston Villa despite them having had 200m of Randy Learner’s money over the last 4-5 years. He’s turning the screws now and insisting they bring down their salary bill.
Only 4 PL clubs made a profit in 2010 and none of them even close to Arsenal! The next highest, Wolves, made 9m.
The sugar daddies are the unpredictable element, however on all fronts Arsenal are well ahead of the rest of the PL, apart from the commercial side. Get this right over the next few years and the gap will close on the top three.
Then we can talk pure football like we did in the good old days over a pint!
reproduce even
Who is this 500 mil player ?
IvoryGooz – I appreciate it’s hard for you, but I’ll be patient.
I’m not asking you to factor in how peer pressure on/off the pitch, in/out of school could affect emotions and productivity or even to relate it to maybe the media pressure that’s applied on the club.
Just how you’ve gone about to relating it to our competitiveness.
If every year someone has better tools than you and it makes them more successful than you, then you have to find a way around that, you don’t seem to be able to grasp that.
ONLY TEAM IN ENGLAND TO TAKE 3 POINTS IN EUROPE… WE DON’T MAKE HEADLINES …
Mayank – He’s not going to learn like that, he needs to be walked through it.
Keyser: right, trying to use a metaphor this simple to make you understand that we don’t need to save 100m each year, that we don’t have much loans outstanding, but higher financial costs, that our net debt is falling quickly, that we have cash available to do deals and replace average players by top quality, and actually compete, that we can have even more if some tight aSSes were accepting Usmanov in, but in the end, you just try to pick on the slightest thing, Rohan follows laughing at your reasonable stupidity,
but you know what Keyser? I’ll let you discuss finance with Thomas, cause he’s got much more knowledge than either of us, and is not blind, and let you discuss the merits of Wenger in the current situation with bade, as he’s not blind either.
Night Grovers.
Okay Keyser. Maybe an analogy would help.
Ivory, imagine your kid has to fight the school bully in a week, who he can never beat in an all out brawl. Do you give him money for protein shakes or show him back to back home alone movies. Either way isn’t going to help him much in reality but one makes a better movie.
Bet it still makes more sense than the stationery analogy.
Uusal, but i disagree with everyone jumping on Chamakh, he’s no RvP, but he did his work, work rate and passing is his forte, Arshavin and Oxlade should have taken the responsibilities of scoring, which is where Arshavin failed, i wondered for long spells who was the eleventh man, oh…it’s the little Russian, ah…explains why.. A CF and Striker can be different, Chamakh is a CF, Van Persie, Walcott etc are strikers…a CF job is to be an outlet upfront, and get in scoring positions, even if it means laying it off.
I hope Song is proving how crucial he is to his doubters on here.
Our left backs may be suspect defensively, but thank goodness they are attacking outlets, Clichy who?
Sagna had a bit of a torrid time, early in the first half and part of the second half, Olympiacos seem targeting our right handside, maybe cause of Oxo, but they later realized wait..Arshavin is a lazy bugger, lets switch left.
Frimpong isn’t ready, we’ve argued that, but some are just quick to anoint a player in order to sacrifice another player. Song is miles ahead of Frimpong, make no mistake. Jury is out on Coquelin.
Arteta played his CM role as best has he can, Rosicky or Frimpong along with the strikers should present as outlets, but it didn’t click most of the time, so he kept it tidy. I thought Rosicky had some brilliant turns and some movement, but then he’d mess it up with a lost pass or tackle, pace is dwindling for him and him and Arshavin don’t combine well.
Wondering why Park has not been fully introduced.
Mayank says:
September 29, 2011 at 19:08
Ivory, maybe you want to say Wenger isn’t using the resources he has to the fullest. But the analogy implies its a level playing field and we’re just not trying hard enough. Like exams.
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level playing field my ass, tell that to somalians.
Calm down, I don’t even know what you guys are talking about
me neither
is keyser upset because everyone else had a better tool than him at school?
Keyser.
Example of how much pressure the other PL clubs are under compared to us..
Aston Villa are aiming to manage their escalating wage bill while remaining competitive on the pitch after suffering losses of more than £37million for the year ending May 31, 2010.
The midlands club saw wages increase to almost £80million last season – an increase of £9million and they now account for 88% of the club’s £90million turnover. But Villa sources are confident they will comply with UEFA’s financial fair play regulations by the time they are in force by the beginning of the 2013-2014 campaign.
The regulations will force clubs to live within their means, something Villa insist they are striving to achieve despite the backing of American owner Randy Lerner.
Read more: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/premiership/villa-seeking-to-control-wage-bill-15100432.html#ixzz1ZMntaD6k
You can find similar stories on the other clubs.
They turned over 90m.. we turned over 222.9.
They were up to 88% of their turnover on wages.. we are at 49.7% and still pay over 30m more than them on salaries…
England’s second city, and its only PL club! Now if they finish above us that would be an achievement.. but us finishing above them? I would say that would be a reasonable expectation as a fan
Keyser says:
September 29, 2011 at 19:12
Mayank – He’s not going to learn like that, he needs to be walked through it.
Mayank: “Wenger isn’t using the resources he has to the fullest.”
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right, that’s that, thanks Mayank, even more simple.
now Keyser, if you knew it all along, why are you such a little bitch?
How can anybody make Rosicky captain ? Alright he completed bout 50% of his passes yesterday so a vast improvement on what he normally does, but he didn’t let us down with his inevitable lungeandfoul on the edge of the box for a free kick – which usually ends up in a goal (remember Livpool) – then the trademark popeyed fishlike grin and arms outstretched, whaddidido.
Good to win though, however narrowly, and maybe Oxo really is worth 12-15-20M. Looks like the real deal, was great to see a forward attacking with intent, haven’t seen that for a long time. Chamakh, I know he missed a great chance, but in the second put a hard shift, trying to lift himself out of the hole of no confidence maybe, glimmers of hope. Wish I could say the same about AA. Marseille matches are the deciders & they look the strongest in this group, don’t discount Dortmund, they are suffering CL initiation blues, but still a great young team.
As for the Spuds I see them winning unf., hope not heavily, mainly due to our shitness of defence at set pieces, hope we get something out of it but really cannot say I’m confident.
Mayank says:
September 29, 2011 at 19:20
Okay Keyser. Maybe an analogy would help.
Ivory, imagine your kid has to fight the school bully in a week, who he can never beat in an all out brawl.
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scuse me, but I call the director, and get the bully evicted. simples.
Oh and any Gooner saying we’ll get spanked by the spuds….IS NO GOONER, you never admit defeat to the yids, never!
keyser is just a guy who is easy to please, who can take any lame excuse as a matter of force majeure ……
We’d better win it!
incesc – Whatever your teachers told you about ‘Tool Inspection Day’ they were lying.
Ivory, are you suggesting financial fair play? Good to know you’re on board with that.
Keyser: and you definitely know something about it.
IvoryGoonz – Sorry mate, just winding you up, your analogy/metaphor didn’t make much sense just didn’t want to hurt your feelings.
so of course we can’t compete with the big guys,
that’s why we lost to a team who got relegated end of season in the CC final, a team with less than third of our budget…
that’s why we extended vast money contracts to shite players like denilson, diaby, bendtner, almunia… and we can’t get rid of them because of that……
we just can’t compete….
I also remember people moaning about Oxo and how much we got him for compared to Ashley Young…..i like the songs i’m hearing now…bet you if Manure got Oxo and he showed glimpses, Wenger’s head would be on a plate as usual. Just saying, don’t agree with the man right now, but hearing AKBs or AMGBs these days can really be frustrating…shhhhhhh1 can both of you lot keep it down! the rest of us are trying to be entertained.
Keyser: “ffp” no. Im for a pure limitation of players wages, and of budgets authorised.
About what ? We didn’t have a ‘Tool Inspection Day’.
We used to have Mufti day, which isn’t as dirty as it sounds.
Dale: if you had the choice between Oxo for 12m and Hazard for 25, would you take the “lesser” player, keep the 10m, or bring in the “better” player?
we are getting a good talent, but surely unneeded, and surely i’d get young over him everyday…..
so he scored a terrific goal, and AKBs crown him as our savior? when he’ll win us the league i’ll say arsene was right. but he won’t.
We will wim against the Yids
We will win against the Yids
Right, enjoy the evening peeps.
IvoryGoonz says:
September 29, 2011 at 19:07
Thomas: question is what is the 60% made of.
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IvoryG! That would be the turnover of the club..that clubs should be aiming to keep salaries below this level… I don’t think there are too many PL clubs actually achieving this.
Did I understand the Q? Not sure?
From 2014, UEFA will introduce their financial fair play system whereby teams will only be allowed to spend a maximum of 60% of their turnover on wages.
http://www.barriesview.com/2011/06/premier-league-wages-hit-new-heights
Keyser says:
September 29, 2011 at 19:29
incesc – Whatever your teachers told you about ‘Tool Inspection Day’ they were lying.
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LOL
(night smart-ass too)
Dale
Why do you claim to sit on the fence when you clearly know what your beliefs are?
Who crowned Oxlade-Chamberlain savior? and who are these AKBs??
Get a grip, he’s talented and had the Mancs got him like they wanted, you’d say something negeative as usual, when we where in for Phil Jones, there was a moan, mancs have him, he’s the second coming of Maldini and we suck balls for not getting him.
This behavior of incoherent negativity is very funny to me.
“Frimpong is miles better than Song,……3 weeks later, Frimpong is poor” make up your mind and stop acting like you really know.
Good evening gents and ladies btw.
the spuds fielding half a team only, they also got one eye on the Sunday’s Derby …….. I hope they’ll concede early so they need to use their rested players
Thomas, ah, ok, last one before taking off.
the 60% is what can be available.
Of this 60%, what is actually used for players and how ?
by brackets of >100k, 80-99k, 50 to 79k, 20 to 49k, and under 20k per week, and what is the unused percentage in comparison with other clubs?
also, does that 60% also include staff salaries?
night ivoryL’OM
Ivory aime L’OM
My beliefs are things need to change, but i won’t go as far as saying I know the intricate details, now I think Wenger should seek some help, but the abuse is very ridiculous, especially when the accusers change up like a hookers john.
it’s not about him dale, it’s about the right priorities….
it’s not about wanting to be negative
that what it is. i was happy we won yesterday, although i totally wasn’t happy about our display after going 2-0 up
if i knew being “positive” would help, i’d be the most positive lad, but it doesn’t help…
there is a fine line between being positive and deceiving yourself
by the way, had we had young, i wouldn’t care about the mancs having Ox…..
Thomas: a percentage of revenues is never a way to do what the ffp should be for, and what it was for, to ensure “lesser” countries and “lesser” clubs have a better chance at surviving, and avoid clubs going bust. but it will never prevent rich owners to pour money in one way or another.
most taxes are for the government to improve our lives, but do you actually see much difference? Rich get richer, poor gets poorer.
Limitation I’d like would be a defined maximum budget amount agreed each year by the teams for the next year, and a maximum wage limit paid to player, as well as a maximum overall players wage bill. (now if that was the intention of the ffp, they’d have just done that)
Who is Ivory going to cheer when we play L’OM? I think we are going to smash them.
ShaL’OM Ivory.
Cesc has Puma DNA..
and by the way Frimpong is better than Song, but he had a poor display and Song played well as CB. it doesn’t change the initial equation …..
Spuds resting up for us…Sunday..i hope Wenger is watching tapes.
see, Keyser, Rohan, Dale, jokes about kids’ abuse is funny when it’s directed to incesc, and comes from you, but not when it comes from someone else towards Wenger. funny.
I find this interesting. might stay longer if you can explain why people keep pissing around the pot, winding people up, rather than try to read between the lines, and answer questions.
bade, that’s you’e excuse? or your opinion?
I’d have to research that one more IG to be honest! I don’t know is the answer.
But when we talk about salaries currently we are talking about the complete wage bill of the club…
In the earlier examples our bill is covering our 416 employees while Man Utd is covering their 620. But a lot of these would be standard office staff, ground staff, scouts, medical, cleaners, commercial & retail etc..
It is my view now that there is no limits on individual salaries rather than on the club as a whole.. (or will be in 2014). So it’s difficult to find out exactly what clubs pay players. They normally just publish one figure in the accounts. It would be helpful if that would be broken down more.
So even more incentive to drive up revenue from the commercial side etc.. so more wages can be paid and covered within the rules.
I will look into it though and come back to you as I haven’t put my head around the FFP rules yet!
and Dale,
the major difference between us, is you think about changes needed around Arsene, i reckon Arsene is the first we need to change. something you won’t consider. ever. or would you?
Santos: already answered that one, and obviously Arsenal.
excuse dale?
i don’t measure 1 game display….
Am I not allowed to laugh at a joke? How often does “kid” jokes apply to incesc compared to the extreme abuse Wenger gets? besides i don’t react when people make kid jokes about wenger and incesc can hold his own when he’s being made fun of on here, where as Wenger can’t.
Thomas: cheers mate, appreciate your insights
Howdy Ivory.
CT Longtemps!
Dale: making jokes about kids being abused is the problem, not who it is done to, or how many times.
, Im sure you can make some efforts.
LeGrove is worth classier than that, even Gambon stepped his game
IvoryGoonz – I don’t think you understood the objection last time, and I honestly can’t be asked now mate.
Blame incesc if you really want to waste your time like that. Seriously.
ShaL’om.
hey can everyone leave me out of this,
i took no offence, it has nowt to do with child abuse, it was just jokes.
Cheers IvoryG.
Next time!
I take your point though.. City’s recent crazy ‘sponsorship’ deal smells of Fuck you FFP!
UEFA will look into it! Yeah right! Let’s see how that works out!
Rules are one thing.. Enforcement and avoidance are another!
I’m off too!
bade first off, whether Arsene needs to go or not isn’t gospel from you that i have to accept, if he goes i continue my support, if he stays, he gets my support first, then bashing when he needs it, i’ll also give him credit when he gets it right….i won’t be an idiot to bash him even when he does what people asks, like you would.
I don’t follow sheepishly, both AKB or doomers, I make my own sound judgments based on what is at hand.
secondly, Song/Frimpong’s comparison is not based on 1 game display, it’s all of this season, and i feel more comfortable whit Song than Frimpong, he needs to go out and earn his stripes like Wilshere did, like Song did, like Ramsey did.
Unlike People say, Wenger did not inhrit the invincible squard but made it. Lehmann, Cole, Campbel, Toure, Lauren were all signed by Wenger. FACT. Pires, Viera, Gilberto, Ljungberg were Wenger signing. Henry and Bergkamp are pure Wenger. Now tell me who you guyz claim Wenger inherited. And by the way what is the definition of world class. To me Szczesny, Sagna, Per, TV5, Santos, Song, Arteta, Wilshere, Walcott, Gervis, RVP, Ramsey, Kozza are all world class to me.-ve pple like Gambit can go hang.
Keyser: I don’t think you understand I understood, but Im not having it. There’s a limit to free vindication in the name of the great Lord Wenger, and what is right for one should be right for everyone.
This is our Arsenal.
Not his.
Im not here to deal with tools like you…
and GFY with OM.
if you cant take outside experience positively, then just dont ask next time.
What Keyser said, re kids and tools.
I think Wenger checked IvoryGoonz tool out as a young boy…you seemed hell bent on destroying Wenger…you talk about OM more passionately and when called out about it, you say you spend more time on an Arsenal blog…FACT is, anyone (spud agents) can be on an Arsenal blog! Your retorts are very hateful of Wenger, which you are entitled to, but incesc gets it, no need to bring Wenger into it.
IvoryGoonz – Incesc made the joke and I replied.
ShaL’OM.
Dale/Keyser: Satan l’habite. Understand who can.
and I’ll repeat, making jokes about kids being abused is the problem, and should not been taken slightly, incesc talked about comparing knobs between kids.
not abuse, which is what you implied.
Keyser, seriously, stop with that ShaL’OM.
you dont come to a truce with a white flag and Fuck You written on it.
Red card.
the way you defend this joke of abuse, you sound more and more like a rapist. no offence Dale.
IvoryGoonz – You made a poor analogy/metaphor whatever it was, you said it in a condescending tone so I took the piss.
Don’t try and make something out of nothing to make up for it, leave it there.
ShaL’OM.
Non taken Ivory, again, I’m not laughing at kids getting “raped” or abused, incesc made a joke, keyser responded, it was all funny, but you want to take it personal, that’s your piece, i only EL OH EL’d it.
ChaLOMit
Keyser: you keep defending we don’t have money, we can’t compete financially, bla bla bla. Basically, you’ve probably one of the people who’s been bringing it again and again and again.
I made a metaphor to change for once the way we tell you every day in response to such stupid statements, that we have money.
you perfctly understood, but you decided to “play”.
Well, that’s what I call being a total asshole.
make up for it? out of nothing? I wish you that you will be raped as a kid in your next life, think about that.
KaiserFucker.
Dale: it;s only for people who have not been raped. trust me.
the same way as using the word “c*t”, do you think that is nice for women who read the blog to read that? I dont.
Dale, Keyser, if you want to be smart with Shalom, it’s without ‘ and with a S. and that means more than just what you think it means.
other than that it’s called provocation, and winding up.
dont expect me to be act in any friendly way towards you.
sorry, but you both keep being total assholes, and I dont see what you actually bring to the discussions apart your “facts”, without any research to support it, just the same old crap we’ve heard from Wenger the last 6 years.
Dale: and you should write the name of the lord in vain, you should know that if you went as far as Eloh.
Kayciey,
Bergkamp was not signed by wenger & apart from rvp, szczesny, sagna, tv5 (when fit) & maybe mertersacker nobody else is world class..
Wilshere could be world class if he continues from where he left off when he’s back & fit, gervinho could be world class if he steps up certain parts of he’s game & arshavin used to be world class untill wenger got he’s hands on him. The rest of our players are no better then what you have at any other epl side in the top 10 & 12 teams.. There’s a couple I can even go as far as saying they’ll struggle in the championship.
Sorry IvoryGoonz, hope you have a good day.
shouldnt
Was it defoe or Keane who said that Spurs have a better squad than us. I guess now most gooners even admit that even our 1st 11 seems inferior to theirs. I just hope we nick a win. Got to believe.
I cant wait for our club to be bought by Usmanov. its the only way we can compete in todays environment. Even wenger has conceded that FFP rules wont change much as clubs would find a way to get around it with artificial sponsorships and etc etc.
Why cant we change our clubs ownership set up to something like barca or Madrid. I dont fully understand how they go about electing presidents and stuf. But definitely fans seem to have a lot of power in those setups.
Shalom, and for real this time.
Suga, you seem so at home.
I think Le Coq should get an outing at the weekend.
salam alejkum shalom
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQpzs_i9xqk
IG
we’ll tear marseille apart in their backyard
will kozzer be fit?
Shl’OMg my brethren, did someone get raped as a kid here? We need to get a movement and collection going, no raping of kids, please! Someone get the message to Wenger quick.
What do Marseille and Spurs fans have in common?
Gooby: I hope, but I dont think so. More like a draw-loss at Velodrome to me., and a draw would still be favorable to OM point-wise, they’d just then have to lose against the right team to take us out unless we manage to win all the other games. 2-3 place is gonna be a tense fight…
At home we should be ok, if we manage to keep Remy and Lucho quiet without fouling Lucho too much, which is gonna be a big ask for Song, but if we do, we should get away with a result…
Dr, as crap as we are o reckon we match even with the spuds right now (which isn’t a good thing)
Based on the line up’s in our last games:
Szczesny * / frediel
Sagna * / walker
Mertersacker * / kaboul
koscielny / king *
santos * / ekotto
Song * / sandro
any good news injury-wise?
Gervinho? Kosc? any?
DrMaadh: “I guess now most gooners even admit that even our 1st 11 seems inferior to theirs.”
Not me. I think our first 11 is excellent. Unfortunately our 2nd 11 is pretty rubbish at the moment. Though as players such as Santos and Mertsacker continue to ‘bed in’ it’s going to get better.
And I wouldn’t hold your breath about Usmanov buying out Kroenke. It’s extremely unlikely to happen.
suga-
let’s take it old school
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2LcWNUX1IQ
“Oui” as in L’OM or Arsenal??
WHAT A FUCKING GOAL!!!!!!! Keeper no chance!
Shamrock wild rovers !
Dr, as crap as we are o reckon we match even with the spuds right now (which isn’t a good thing)
Based on the line up’s in our last games:
Szczesny * / frediel
Sagna * / walker
Mertersacker * / kaboul
koscielny / king *
santos * / ekotto
Song / Parker *
arteta / moric *
Ramsey / VDV *
Walcott / bale *
gervinho * / defo
RVP * / adebayor
Ignore my last post, fucking crappy iPhone!
but as you can see from my ratings were quite even with the spuds but I’m expecting them to come out all guns blazing on Sunday.. Will our defence cope? Only god knows but I wouldn’t put any money on them keeping a clean sheet.
ayew suspended no?
i think we’re capable to beat them, after all they draw twice against souchaux and stetienne and lost to rennes, they only won recently their first home game agaisnt evian one of the promoted side.
We’re hardly underdogs, there’s room for the three points imo
That is hilarious
I can’t remember wanting us to trash spurs as much as i do now…oh wait…
drew*
Bale??? better than Walcott?? stop the monkey hype. And how is Parker better than Song? People really underrate Song, he isn’t world class, but neither is Parker!
It was nice while it lasted.
And bale is better than Theo, mainly because Theo is shit.
Our second team would beat these current spurk clowns hands down, Shamrock doing them nice.
i don’t rate bale, i don’t rate theo either.
theo has better stats though
Rofl! Dale do you just disagree with ppl for the sake of it??
Only you would rate walcott higher then bale. Walcotts piss poor in most ppls views.
Parkers not football writers player of the year for nothing so yes he is currently better then song if you ask me.
Stu, you sound very ….Spud with that comment
Ayew got red carded, but dont know if he’s suspended already, is there supposed to be a hearing before or ? I don’t know.
anyway, there’s more to OM than Ayew.
we are capable of beating them even at Velodrome on a good day, with everyone fit, true, we are not the underdogs. true.
but there’s more to football games than just statistics and superior quality. any good coach will tell you playing a weaker team is difficult, and there are many more factors involved, such as the crowd in Marseille, and injuries, as well as tactics.
I still stick to what I think will happen, Arsenal win at Emirates, but draw-lose at Velodrome.
I hope we will win both, but I cant see us taking a win from them at Velodrome.
Gooby, exactly, I don’t rate either, but if you want to look at stats, Walnut busts a nut on Bale….and I never give spurs credit, never.
Jordan Ayew not Andre Ayew got sent off.
OPG: both brothers are good. doesnt matter which one got sent off. but thanks for refining.
I hope AOC starts against Bale.
Ricky, every thing you said is based on our individual opinions, if you think Bale is better and Theo is shit, that’s your opinion, me, i think they are both hyped up, but who gives you more on paper?
Parker, Terry, Lampard blah blah, sportw writers player, should tell you all you need to know.
Dale,
Like stu said, they are both shite but bale is the better out of them.. Walcott has no end product, cant shoot or cross a ball to save he’s life & has no football brain & that my friend is something you cannot teach.
Not to mention he’s a little pussy pushover with no guts or balls.
Well dale, you sound very….dickhead with that comment.
Of course i must be a spud if i think one of their players is better than one of ours, right? Its not possible that another team have a better player than us.
Theo is a winger who cant cross, or a striker who cant finish. Either way, Bale, however overrated he may be, is still better than Theo.. Marginally though,
Honestly, i rate neither of them but bale shades it imo.
We have to invent a new position for Theo, so much pace can’t go to waste.
Stu…didn’t call you a “spud” but if you want to abuse, re-read that statement, close your eyes and speak it out loud…..
How about britains 100m sprint team IG?
Dale: you insinuate he does, just take a break, take it easy, and try to stop pissing on everyone around.
Santos… long time ey
Ricky: we can probably develop some glasses to make him believe he’s running after a ball, yes, why not.
Gareth Bale:
2006–2007 Southampton 40 (5)
2007– Tottenham Hotspur 82 (13)
Theo Walcott:
2004–2006 Southampton 21 (4)
2006– Arsenal 120 (19)
No end product? what really is an end product? A bottom line, and bottom line, Theo for his lack of football brain, produces more than Bale
They are both shit or excellent how ever way you see them, but sounding very pro-Spurs is unacceptable
Dale: pretty please
IvoryGoonz, how about you take a break and hop off my tool? thanks. I didn’t insinuate…he wrote something and it sounds like what a Spurs fan would say when arguing with a Gunner
We all know they both are overrated,
So why say Bale is better? When stats proves otherwise?
enlightening stuff dale.
the worst is wen people say shit like its not all about stats, or stats dont mean anything.
emmm yess they do if we’re talking assists and goals
He’s not bad… i’d take him and oxo outwide anyday
tinyspuds, ricky.
When i think about it, our 1st 11 is still better considering
Wishere = VDV and Vermealen > King.
Btw Song ought to be better than Parker. SOng is pretty useful although not in the class of ??? mmm Essien, Toure.
Yeah I haven’t really watched the FWP winner play. Why waste time of the day on a spuds match unless they are loosing.
Dale,
Hleb had probably worse stats than these two, but if you asked me which of the three I would prefer, I would choose Hleb (one of 07/08 season) any day…
so please, stop wanking over stats, yes?
Dale:
a) you dont compare a striker and a wing back just goal wise. Theo had much more opportunities as a striker and should have scored at least twice those of Bale.
b) not all fans are like you and will say their players are better no matter if they arent, some actually tell what they think, and that doesnt make them supporting the other team first. we want our players to become better, no? lying about their actual abilities doesnt help their development, just delays the unavoidable.
c) if you just got on the rules tab, and check the first one, you might learn something. accusing, insinuating, potato potatoe.
and you just did to Stu what Keyser and yourself did to me earlier.
(and I believe it’s not the first time)
Nite Grovers.