Yeah… that’s me… a happy Gooner rolling in transfers. What a bloody day eh?! The best day since time began? Or maybe just the best summer in 5 years? Either way, all the right things began to happen yesterday!
Now, there was obviously disappointment yesterday morning when everyone thought I was telling lies about Yann M’Vila, but then later that day, the backpage of the Evening Standard ran the story pretty much word for word and The Times are reporting the same this morning. Now, they’ve either got someone telling them the same things, or they’ve got a penchant for a daily dose of Le Grove. Either outcome is pleasing. Like I said yesterday, watch this space. We could easily spend £60million today and not bat an eye lid.
Simple fact is, Alex Song not the one and he’ll be off next summer. Frimpong is a very good prospect, but he needs guidance. Whichever way you look at it, we need a defensive midfielder today. We’re desperately short in the middle.
Defence…
We landed Per Mertesacker yesterday after he completed a medical. Andre Santos was also doing the same. There were a few articles floating about online that stated he’d changed his mind and flown back to Turkey to sign a 4 year deal. I’d be very surprised if that were the case!
Per Mertesacker was a massive curve ball yesterday, but ultimately a fantastic one. He’s a player we’ve been calling for on Le Grove since before June 2008. We reported that he was a Gooner way back then here, 3 years on, whaddya know, he’s going to be turning out at the home of football!
He’s 6ft6, he’s built powerfully, he has 70+ caps for a very solid German team, he’s won trophies, he has Champions League experience and he knows how to defend. Rumour has it we’ve picked him up for £9million. What a price!
This is the sort of player we should always be in for. He has pedigree, he has presence and he’ll slot in perfectly next to Thomas Vermaelen. We have a genuine little and large combination. We have a defender who has played the highline for club and country and we’ve done something crazy… signed a tall player to deal with our fear of high flying balls!
Sacrebleu! <- Does that mean what I think it does?
I’m very pleased.
Park Chu-Young signed for us officially yesterday. The South Korean captain joins us under a cloud of ‘who the f**k’, but the key point here is versatility and hard word. Mainly hard work though. Arshavin and Rosicky showed at the weekend that they’re not cut out for Arsenal when crunch time comes. We need someone who is going to work for their salary, this guy will. Does he have the required quality? I’m not sure… but if he can bag 12 goals for a relegated Monaco, I’d hope for something similar or better for a team capable of teeing him up with far more chances.
Oh, and he takes the number 9 shirt. You knew that already though, right?
Clint Dempsey…
There are big rumours we’re looking to add the American to our attacking line up. Whilst he’s not world-class, he’s a very good player with a superb eye for goal. He has that aggravation factor and a terrific work rate. You don’t need all your players to be La Masia schooled. Sometimes you just need a player who is direct, in your face and not afraid to ruffle a few feathers. He scored 14 goals for Fulham last year and he was very impressive. I’d welcome him into our squad and word on the South American street is that we’ve tabled a $16.8million bid for him.
Gary Cahill…
Have Bolton burned their bridges in negotiations for a player they’ll lose on a free if they don’t get rid of him today? We’ve signed a centre back already. That puts the pressure on Gartside’s hugely indebted club to do a deal today. I think we’re still in for him. Johann Djourrou has been so bad over the past 6 months, you wonder for his future. Cahill is still a top defender and regardless of how many people tell you he’s rubbish, he’s not, he’d make a great addition to the squad.
I still remember how many people told me Ashley Young wasn’t Arsenal quality… some statement eh?
Chris Samba…
There were a lot of rumblings about the shower bully from Blackburn. I have my doubts. The rumours feel more like stories designed to get him a move away from Steve Kean. He’d be a useful addition, but we’ve already filled the role of ‘massive beast’, if we get another centre back, they’ll be good on the ground and stylish… Like a break dancer.
The creative hole?
There’s a massive hole in our side, that’s the one left by Cesc Fabregas. If there’s going to be a monster signing today, I’d love it to come there. Yossi looks like he’s off to Spurs, so good luck to him, quality player, poor injury record. That leaves us with the prospect of Gotze or Hazard. There will probably be another curve ball thrown there, but I’m struggling to see where it’s coming from. The German might be pulled away from his club for £35million and a massive salary, I’m not sure though, it would be a bad move for Dortmund but I guess it depends on how much they want the cash. They’re not flush!
My money is on Arteta. Like Yossi, top quality, just not so much on the fitness side of things. I’d also be interested in Frank Ribery. He was once a £60million player, then his mates bought him a 17 year old hooker, now he’s not quite as popular. He’d be amazing in the Premiership. He’d replace Nasri perfectly. Could we move for him? I’d love it… who knows! Sky are reporting that Honda is in London for a medical… it’s all too much!
Medical…
I was told that two medicals were booked yesterday, two more for today. Make of that what you will!
Conclusion
It’s a shame it took an absolute spanking to push the board and Arsene Wenger into some serious action. Nearly all of this business could have been conducted in June. I don’t believe all these players have been targets all summer, we’ve just shown intent and made things happen because careers are on the line.
Still, that’s a story for another day.
We’re developing a strong core to the team now. We could make top 4 if we make 2-3 signings of intent again today. Amazing how quickly things can change eh? The squad will be revitalised and fans will be excited for the Swansea game. A morale booster for everyone!
My worry though, is that we’re once again in a transition year. This sort of frenzied 48 hours should never have happened and if we’d made purchases like this 2 years ago, who knows who’d still be here fighting it out in the first team.
Anyway, it’s the last day of transfer rumours. There won’t be a live blog, the comments section will going mental all day, tune in, you can get far more info than 140 characters into a comment and all the stories will come direct to you all day from the Grovers! Life is very exciting!
P.S. For some further reading and listening, check out Tim Payton in the Independent talking business models(I’m not talking topless Staples Girls) and the Footy Shows Podcast starring king of AKB’s, Bob Wilson!
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Transfer Updates
- Keisuke Honda in for a medical according to Sky Reports
Numero Uno….Number 1…….First…………Top of the pops………lol
first
Bum hole
Must be in top 10?
Top 10. Ha!
Eid Mubarak to all the Grovers
More chance we’ll sign that pig than any decent players.
Wengers shit scared of spending money.
As Frank Warren ( Gooner Boxing Promoter) has just said, he ‘s told that Gazidas takes so long to make any decision players go elsewhere.
WHY DONT WE SIGN PLAYERS WITH PL EXPERIENCE ??
Morning grovers
can not belive
we havent got a new manager yet !
top ten.
sky is reporting honda in for a medical today…curve ball?
Anelka to spurs??? Would love to have him back..
Eid Mubarak to all..
I am going out for family commitments,hopefully back in 10hrs…and inshallah hoping we would have got cahill & that marquee signing…
Laterss
top 10?
What’s the best way to listen to deadline day on computer at work??
Eid Mubarak to all..
I am going out for family commitments,hopefully back in 10hrs…and inshallah hoping we would have got cahill & that marquee signing *by the time i am back…
Laterss
HONDA IN LONDON
An attacking midfielder has to be number 1 priority now.
fabregas for 50 mill! lulz
RE: PLANNED DEMO..
SWANSEA GAME..ARMOURY ROUNDABOUT
Strong Rumour the Ad Hoarding on private land by the Armoury Roundabout hase been secured to send a message to Kronke !!
Irrespective what happens today, we are being run by a man who feels he has no right to say anything to us mere supporters.
He’s an investor who supports Wengers tight arse spending.
They are only spending because THEY HAVE TO & not because they want to.
EVERYONE BE THERE..& SPREAD THE WORD.
Top 10?
Anne says Clint Dempsey sounds like a nice chap.
Honda in London? Fuck me… that’d be a great signing!
A&N, why are you calling me Anne?
Arse&Nose
is that because it might be confused with clit?
Pedro
Are u being sarcastic or is he really that great?
Honda would be a very good signing – he is quality.
can he manage the team ?
With all these German and South Korean/Japnese players coming in…Atleast we will get 100% commitment for the entire 90 mins….
Honda is a very slick player.
oh boy! aren’t we panic buying then? keisuke?
i’v seen him in that advert,
the village people mossy will have to go !
honda……….all the way
honda’s got a very very short back lift
Just read on Wikipedia that Honda is a great free kick taker.. hope thats the end of RVP as a free kick taker…
Yossi Benayoun is making a lot of noises on the net/twitter etc…
Got a feeling a medical could be him.
Good post Pedro!
Good move Arsene by buying Park, Mertesacker and Dos Santos.
Please now get rid of Chamakh, Bendtner, Rosicky, Squilacci, Djorou and of course Almunia.
Add Cahill, Fellaini, Honda and Hazard then we’ll end the trophy drought this season.
I know it’s not FM or fantasy league but i do hope it happens.
Wont be to bad with honda and maybe mvilla
Goetze would be good. Can’t see Hazard happening but isn’t Wenger supposed to be in France at the moment? Maybe his presence could push through a deal
. Have i made it into the top 10? Probably not.
Cskas kisuke honda in london??
HONDA WILL BE A GREAT SIGNING – WILL BOOST OUR REVENUE IN THE FAR EAST!!!!
on a serious note – he is a good player – good dribbler, good shooting range and can take a hell of a free kick
if chamakh and bendtner are both leaving….don’t we need another striker???
Great news about Honda(if true) that’l please many here.
Lass Diarra spotted at Heathrow.
Now I know he’s linked with Spurs but shouldn’t this be a player we want to hijack?
Imagine a Midfield of Jack, Schweinteiger and M Villa
i have a feeling we wont sign anyone today?both per and santos will be official thats all…
wooo hooo got Eid present from arsenal hope today we get some more Eidi
HONDA HAVING MEDICAL
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Morning all,
Either way today we will know what squad we have going into the season after the window shuts.
I’ve heard ramblings of Arteta & Fellaini coming our way.
Would you be pleased with that?
anyone got a link to the sky report…. can’t seem to find it??
Despite all the transfer activity (what a fucknig spanking would do to the “principles” of mr wenger, hah), we need a playmaker
If we were to bring only one player today, let it be a playmaker ./ creative midfielder
Ramsey cant take all the responsibility (yet)
Honda’s got a great engine…sorry.
oooh I said Honda and Mvila on the last post
am i Mystic Meg
ok while my lucks running – Wenger take another punt at Gotze
Surely we should be trying to nick some of Everton’s players early.
That’ll give them a chance for replacements.
Fellaini, Baines, Arteta, Jags ….. any of those would improve our current squad.
Christian erikson from Ajax to fill our creative hole? Yes please
fuck me. this is exciting, hope it doesn’t end in disappointment.
Isnt Honda married to Sue Zuki
Would be very happy with either Honda or Arteta.
what is going on here ! !
no one wants wenger out ?
am i alone ?
This is a rebuild job- and it can be done. For perhaps the one and only time time we do need to throw some real money at this. If it was me I’d look no further than Honda to replace Cesc.I just hope the rumours have some basis- and M’Vila to play in front of the back 4- anyone can see that Song lacks the speed,agility, positional discipline and wit- and needs competition in the squad to work to achieve a higher standard- and I dont mean from Frimgpong who could be a very good player- eventually. Playing alongside Song meadering around aimlessly will not help the boy develop.
I like Dempsey- a scrapper with a great mentality.
Frankly if Bendtner leaves us to go to Stoke- he is crazy. Not that they a bad side- well coached- on the up and better than us at the moment. But Stoke the club, the town, the fans?
Honda???? Common some info on him lads….
http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Arsenal-turmoil-angry-fans-hire-billboard-protest-direction-Where-Has-Our-Arsenal-Gone-article793351.html
what of marvin martin? a few articles linking us to him. would he be a welcome addition?
Whats is sad that a big loss to manu ,have finally awaken the board and wenger.these signings should have been made in pre season.
beteer laate than never I guess
moonmonkey0794 on Twitter: “My dad saying Riccardo Montolivo has been seen at Aeroporto di Firenze. We believe he’s heading for a shock move to Arsenal.”
So Wengers gone Capt crazy. So don’t count any rumours unless the player is team or national capt.
AW sat at home
Theeze bloody media, we hav no leadeers, pah! I will show them.
Geoff hasn’t posted in a week. Is he on holiday?
This on the BBC.
Riccardo Montolivo has been seen at Aeroporto di Firenze. We believe he’s heading for a shock move to Arsenal.
what happened to chamakh rumors
Trying to be postive hitman
the play we are bringing in should be a set piece specialist. we r very useless in that department. Rvp is really rubbish in that department.
Fuck me Pedro..
When you said there was going to be a lot of stories you weren’t joking!
Perry Groves rumoured to be set for a Medical!
Montolivio wont be bad either…
This is exciting . how can I work ??
Lets hope it end in something special .
There I go again , getting my hopes up .
All Those players have me!!!
ring ring
Heskey – hello
Wenger – hi Emil im looking for a replacement striker
Heskey – ok
Wenger – one with pace, skill and scores 20 a season
Heskey – yeah im listening (excitedly)
Wenger – Just wondered if you knew anyone
2 days ago i could have believed Heskey coming to emirate, now i can start taking the piss again
Wenger is 3 months behind. The players he’s rumoured to have got in yesterday, big German CB and Brazillian LB should have been in the squad by June. Since then we have sold our two most creative players. Today we need a real statement of intent. Two major experienced superstars to give the whole club a lift. Are the players available? Can we pay the wages?. I doubt it. But I live in hope and will be glued to SPN like the rest of us until 11pm. Then tomorrow will check out Le grove for the carnage!
Jules your not the only 1 lol
Pedro, you are not Anne.
Anne is my contact, you can’t steal her.
apart from the big lump at the back, cant say that he is using the money wisely….in fact it seems that he is buying in a state of spite, i’ll show you how good my squad is by buying crap players…
Honda in for a media. Pic
http://www.twnclub.ch/classic_trial_files/honda_files/TL250Pat/345%20(1024%20x%20768).jpg
The ManU catastrophe has turned out to be a blessing in disguise …
Whats all this eid mubarak crap? didnt the gypos just oust him?
This is a football blog, can all you loons just keep your religeous nonsense to yourselves please?
Geoff is helping complete the deals eh? Pedro?
Twitter is going to make this day unbearable.
Honda is in Japan but got injured preparing for their upcoming game.
http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20110831-00000770-yom-socc
The Editor:
Thanks to Adam for the tip-off that Arsenal are poised for a Deadline Day swoop for Keisuke Honda who he claims is in London for a medical. If you think Adam is on the money, give him the thumbs up in the Rumour Room. Follow me on Twitter through the day – @skysportswebed
Basically it’s probably BS.
Come on rspc. Be a little postive. Gthe lb and cb is a good step already.lrets hope for a class midfielder or 2
Good news. Now we will be finishing above mid-table.
HEY WENGER, you said signing players would ”kill” the development of your young players – what’s changed?
Or are you finally admitting you have been wrong all along and actually signing players is the answer?
If so, please make a public apology for being so spectacularly wrong to all the fans who have paid fortunes to watch your terrible teams lose over and over and over, year after year, whilst you refused to make the signings that would have stopped the rot.
WENGER OUT
bergy..
what do we think will happen to all these last min bargins ?
he’ll just f@#k them up as he has in the past.
if they shot he’ll stop all that.
if they can head a ball…he’ll stop all that..
for christ sake its him who has to go..
no plan b..
no plan a either…
clueless
Cesc is a superb player and very sensible. Why can’t Nasri leave Arsenal alone after dumping his career for money.
panic buying. last week wenger gave an interview saying he didn’t need any new players, this week he needs 5 ? lifeboat stations everyone.
all of these signings are untried in the premiership….glossing over the manure defeat… its not important its what goes out that is the main thing
JD20
ALUMANIA
ROSICKY
AA23
SONG
BENDTNER
honda in for a medical.. Pic ( made a mistake in the earlier post)
http://www.twnclub.ch/classic_trial_files/honda_files/TL250Pat/345%20(1024%20x%20768).jpg
sources in italy suggest vargas to arsenal is almost done.
http://www.itasportpress.it/?action=read&idnotizia=65544
pls mr.wenger do something fast beforethe transfer widow close. about our middfield role….
I’ve never seen Montolivio play is he any good?
well said harry
What pisses me off is people talking about “Panic Buy”…. Who gives a fuck?? We all wanted him to buy, and he is buying, sure I would have preferred him to have done it early in the summer, so that our team could settle early. But the season is a VERY long one and I am GLAD he is buying decent players now. I don’t give a rats ass whether or not it is a panic buy. Some people do not seem to want this crisis to be over, so they try to cling on EVERY bit of negativity out there. I am an ARSENAL fan so I want my team to do better, instead of wanting them to to fail so that I can make a point.
hello poachers,
let’s hope for some true positives, after truly harsh 6 months…
we need some redemption after what we’ve suffered for the last 6 years, and especially since last january transfer…..
pedro is right, why would we roll into this situation is a massive question but let’s put it on hold for another day
today we have bigger fishes to fry…..
who is honda??
Personally, I think this wave of transfer activity is the result of one of two things. Either Wenger himself has realised that waiting two more years for his latest babies to mature will ultimately end in his own demise and has decided to cull them before he himself is hung. Or, the board/Kronke have acted without Wenger’s consent and have asked the 20 man negotiating team to complete these deals to avoid customers(fans) abandoning the club. I could be wrong of course but whatever the reason I’m just happy that someone recognised there is a problem.
Lets just hope that the revolution continues and we sign at least one more quality signing.
honda would be great addition…. as most of eastern asian players, he has the hight work ethic rate, but he’s also super skilled
Bergy,,,, not sure on them, we will weait and see, its not the jaw dropping signings we wanted is it?
a brazillian…and a gernmman with dodgy knees…a korean..with no proven experince and some english playersa from league 1…
nah not for me…he is wasting the money!
hitman49
You are all alone that for now mate. We have got bigger fish to fry for now. But dont worry when today ends in disappointment we will all be back calling for wenger’s head
sneidjer’s wife tweeted about him going to either manchester or arsenal. was she just kidding or she wants him to move?
Pedro,
Great post today !! Must be a little easier for you now the club are finally acting like one !! And the manager is finally doing one part of his job that has caused a lot of unrest amongst the fans.
Hats off to you for writing through thick and thin……
Anyway, the below comment in your post ???? I’m thinking you meant years ???
“Johann Djourrou has been so bad over the past 6 months,”
I was really hoping for 95% done deals to be reported when i arrived in work today (dnt read a newspaper til i get to my desk)…….a little dissapointed but i think this is more nerves than anything else.
Please AArsenal – do not run out of steam…..fcuking go for it. And please do not let the scum get Cahill !!! Just sign him….no time to waste
Any chance of signing a striker?,if chamakh goes to acn then we’ve got rvp and young,am i missing soneone? bendy should be gone today? Move theo up top?
Is he any good? What position? Who does he play for? Is this another shirt sales signing!!
Vargas any good?he an attacking midfielder?
tublu, do you believe everything AW sais ???
Shouldn’t do imo !!
pual king: geoff is prob holding weger hostage, thats why we are doing so much business.
choy, so maybe santos deal is dead after all then?
morning grovers. Honda is a wenger type of surprise. Would love schweinsteiger or malouda – would take Dempsey though.
*wenger*
Vargas is a left winger
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFn6VG-Ebqg
Santos and Mert were a done deal i thought B?
How long does it take for Owen Hargreaves to complete his ManCity Medical?? or is he going to take the medical in Jan?
Wheeler dealer Wenger
Just seen a picture of M’vila in the sun……..he is playing football in tights it seems !!
Hitman ,i would much rather that we are buying players than hear our squad is good enough
Maybe Wenger is away having management lessons from Harry and Mancini
if it dont work – buy a load of new guys
AND WHO’s M’VILLA LAD? GET ME DE ROSSI!!!
we have our m’villa, his name is frimpong the giant
pedro you’r right, frimpong needs guidance that’s why de rossi is the man….. sorry but a 21 years old DM, as much talented as he is, needs guidance himself…..
de rossi has some pedigree, experienced in all high level you could think off, world cup winner, CL and serie A experience, and italian national team caps more than i can care to mention…..
m’villa? what he has on the bag eh?
Can’t we smash out a deal for Tevez?
why dont we make an offer for the ajax am(eriksen).should cost the same as gotze and hazard.pedro can you mention him so that sky sources mention him too.
If we are in for Vargas… Is that the end of Arshavin?
Thx choy.hope we sign a central playmaker than another winger…
DB10, spot the fuck on! I’m no AKB, I was just as pissed as anyone about the lack of signings. We are 3 games into season and we are getting what we need, and people are still moaning. Should he have bought earlier? Of course. I’m not happy it took an 8-2 pummelling from Utd for him to get that they were letting him down, but for the first time in 6 years he seems to get it. He’s doing his job now, and as long as he does it properly I will back him.
Choy, wikipedia, the truth beyond the truth
says he’s a left wingback. You’d have thought we have enough wingers with Ryo and AOC though right?
But I’m not complaining, bring them all in!
Wearing tights in the sun, he must have got very hot! Wonder what SPF they were?
Ardent that is possible…. but Arsh could stay for the rest of the season, he is cup tied after all
Signings so far a bit meh! Mertesaker is a nessecary. but we need a statement of intent now. not marketing signings or panic buys. Its all a bit reckless. Where is the planning from this management team. Case in point, Ashley Young, bought early, creating havoc. we could have done this with Hazzard etc.
BBC
“French paper La Voix du Nord say Lille will give Liverpool first refusal on Edin Hazard in 2012 as part of Joe Cole loan.”
French press saying that we paid Monaco 12MM Euros for Park – Lille had a 3+2MM bid accepted – and there are still deluded people on ACLF that pretend that this is not panic buying – Honda strongly linked as well through French media – Grimandi said we defo in for one French player – dont think it’s Marvin the Seagull though – Valbuena?????
Agree bergy, need somebody central.
Inter seem intent on selling Sneijder, he would be absolutely perfect, big signing to get everybody excited…
OK, I’ll keep dreaming then…
We will make all these signings and United in one swoop will get Snjeider and make us look like cheap also-rans again.
Sounds like Liverpool are in for Milner too…..
I think someone stole wenger’s check book!
For sure this is transition season once again, because we have had
a poor start and it will take time to bed in such large numbers of new players.
What is critical is that Wenger now builds from the back. Had he done this two years ago both Fabregas and Nasri might still be at
club.
My view is that Wenger after Saturday’s chastening experience should now focus on bringing in more physically strong and effective players than the ‘fancy Dans’ we have seen in recent years.
I would like to see M’Vila come into team. He is a young top class
and physically strong player with accurate passing game.
Players like Hazard and Goeze may be brilliant, but would they
prosper at our club in current framework? Personally I am not
sure. It might suit us better to leave it for another 12 months and
buy someone like these players when the framework is more solid.
I want Gotze or Hazard!
a young creative bad motherfucker, that is.
Coquelin was decent and promising, so we dont need another defencive
Yea choy pat rice,revenge time
Andre Santos will not be going back to Fenerbahce, because he is leaving due to the match-fixing and the fact it is likely Fene will be relegated as well.
This could be one of those clever Wenger signings, but haven’t Newcastle signed Davide Santon from Inter for £6 million?
At 22 he is an italian international, so he can defend and at 6’2″ he is possibly more of a beast.
Looking forward to today, and I have a feeling that there will be a player coming in that will be totally unexpected.
DB10 @ 10:06
well said mate.
I just ignore these dickheads as i think they could be spuds fans on here to create more doom……
i’m happy with yesterday but want more……who gives a shit about “panic buying” fcuk it lets hope Arsenal really panic and buy Neymar….
BTW, that was going to be my next comment…..isn;t Neymar stil available ??? £38mil would do it i think…….just go and get him if so.
Arsenal fans are brilliant… when weighing up a new signing, we always ask, ‘how many shirts would he sell?’ or ‘What’s his resale value?’
FFS, there is no pleasing people.
We all begged for signings, and signings is what we is getting now we are up in arms shouting “panic buys”. We can’t control the past but we can prepare for our future.
Not a huge Honda fan.
I guess striking a deal with CSKA would be the prelude to us signing him. Then we would have to strike an accord over wages. I dont have much insight as to whether this will happen, but lets hope hes a legend, and all that jazz.
On a serious note, I do worry, as hes bound to play with the handbrake on sometimes, its in his nature.
FROM BBC: Tottenham midfielder Tom Huddlestone on Twitter: “Can’t believe who just sneaked into the training ground the back way! Wow.”
1016: Tottenham fans… check this tweet out from Tom Huddlestone…
Where is Song off to Pedro?
BB, reports sugest Arsenal paid £3mil for Park.
Why are you trying to cast doom over an already signed player ?? You have any ambition ?? Then surely you would be looking forward to more signings instead of moaning bout the price paid on previous one…….
Made first 50!
Tottenham midfielder Tom Huddlestone on Twitter: “Can’t believe who just sneaked into the training ground the back way! Wow.”
some kick in the back for chamack then.