Park Chu-Young… the low down | Manchester United preview | Hazard Update

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I do ok for a living, but I must say, nothing gives me more joy than raiding reduced food aisle in Waitrose. Landing a prawn salad for thirty nine pence when I’ve got a £20 note sitting in my pocket feels like a victory against the man.

Arsene Wenger is like me. He’s got £100million sitting in his pocket, but he’s not interested in shopping in the proven aisle, he’d much prefer to take a chance in the reduced section with a player that might represent some supreme value. How can I not respect this approach when I have the same vision when it comes to sustaining my body?

Problem is, I’ll buy anything with a yellow sticker on it, now sometimes that works out, I mean, who knew what a culinary sensation fresh veal escalopes at £2.68 could be (Sagna)? Other times though, things have gone horrifically wrong in my desperation for a bargain. Only recently, I purchased pig kidneys, I whacked them in the frying pan without soaking them in salt water to remove the unwanted bits, within 2 minutes my house smelt like a pig urinal and the taste of those kidneys still haunts me to this day (even though I knew it was potentially dangerous, I slogged away and tried to convince myself this bargain would work out (ring any bells?)).

You see, a bargain is a good idea when you have nothing to lose. However, when you’re cooking for your job, you’d best ensure that whatever you’re purchasing has the best chance of tasting good.

This guy is 26 years old, he hasn’t scored many goals and he’s not been tested at the highest level. Matt Spiro (@Mattspiro), a France based journo / commentator, has told me that he’s a good all round striker, he can head well, he’s very two footed and he has good technique. The overall feeling though is that he’s an underwhelming signing, even Lille were signing him as a back up. This isn’t first choice for us by the looks of it. Joel Campbell has been deemed a not so special talent and he could find his way into the Lille squad as a result.

People keep telling me I don’t like him because he’s not a £20million striker. Well, that’s not fair. I haven’t said I don’t like him. But Arsenal fans have got to stop getting excited by a player because he’s cheap. I generally judge a players quality on goals, assists, Champions League experience, trophies and pedigree. Now, I’m not saying this guy isn’t the one. He might be. But surely we should be looking at someone a bit more prestigious considering 1) We already have a striker who is good for 15 goals a season, who is an international, who is experienced and proven to a degree in the Premiership, who is 3 years younger (Who should be gone by next week now apparently) 2) Robin is only good for 30 games, whoever comes in should be equal to Robin’s quality if we want to progress.

I can paint any picture here I like, I haven’t seen him. However, I’d like to point out that we’ve gone from sniffing around Benzema and Tevez, to signing a player even the most ardent French Footballing Ambassador struggles to muster up 3 lines about.

Maybe he’ll come good. Maybe he won’t. Whichever way you look at it, he represents a risk…. and don’t kid yourself this is low risk because it’s a low fee. The cost of missing out on top 4 this year is roughly £25million and the potential loss of three of our best players who we’d have to sell as they wouldn’t re-sign.

The stakes have never been higher. Still, one thing you can guarantee with a Korean is that they will work till collapse for the team. He’s also the captain of South Korea and if he can score 12 goals for a relegated team, the chances are, he’ll definitely score 56 for us.

Eden Hazard

Many are speculating that we’ve blown our chance to sign Eden Hazard by gazumping them for Chu-Young. I’m pretty sure that’s not the case. The Korean is worth £3million, Hazard is potentially worth £26million plus. If we want the Belgian, we could have him. I don’t understand why we wouldn’t be interested in him for that fee. He’s clearly top-notch, he’ll likely go on to be one of the best. Dithering over price is what cost us Mata… a player who is clearly going to take the league by storm. I hope we don’t make the same mistake with Hazard. We need a talented creator, he’s one of the few available that we know we’ve got a solid interest in. Plus, Lille are a tiny club moving to a new stadium, even Arsenal had to sell their biggest players when we left Highbury.

That said, this is not the midfielder I was tentatively told we were going in strong for, though the word a a week or so a go was that we’d bid for him before month end…

Players…

It does strike me that the only market we’re interested in purchasing from is the French League. We’ve always spoken of the need to save for a rainy day, right now, as far as the squad is concerned, it’s pouring. Now, we’ve got £100million sitting in the bank, the rest of Europe is in dire financial straits and we’re not focusing our attention in any place other than Ligue 1? Arguably 4th or 5th when it comes to strength.

There surely must be some skint Spanish or Italian teams who have top players? Surely there is a left back or a decent holding midfielder out there who could do a job for us? Spain have the most technically accomplished players in the world, why aren’t we sniffing around their senior teams for first team players? Makes no sense… we saved for the day financial Armageddon came, now it’s here, we’re not taking advantage?

United…

So a massive whopper of a game today. Some say the biggest game since Premiership was created, others say just a big game because if we lose it, we’ll be severely off track in the league before its even got going.

The line up for tomorrow is looking more desperate than ever. I’m yet to hear if Vermaelen is fit for the game, there’s been no confirmation either way, news leaked to Young-guns that Sagna is ill, so that potentially means we’ll have Traore, Jenkinson, Kozzer and JD at the back. Then there’s the midfield. Now, if Tommy V is fit, we could move Kozzer into the holding role. That would give me some comfort, he’s fast, good on the ball and aggressive. However, if that isn’t a goer, you face the choice of Henri Lansbury who isn’t a holding midfielder or Coquelin who is greener than Arsenal’s pitch. Rosicky played well the other day and Rambo is a talented young player, but we’re playing a proper team today. Turning them over is a massive ask. Our midfield and defence could be in crisis…

Up top, the team picks itself, Robin, Theo and Arshavin. Outside of that, we have the weakest bench I can remember. AOC, Miyachi, Coquelin, Chamakh, Oyakzup, Bendtner and Fabianski. How have we got to this stage? It’s unbelievable. I’m having a face palm moment before we’ve even started.

Still, today is about miracles and proving people wrong. If we put the United keeper under pressure and work hard, you never know what could happen. United won’t play to our strengths in the same way Udinese did. Expect them to bully us with the absence of any strength and expect them to bomb our box with crosses. We have to be sharp from the off, we have to work our socks off. If we do that, anything is possible. We don’t have a strong line up today, I do hope the coach has factored that into our tactics. I don’t think I’m the only one that thinks ‘just play your game’ on the white board will be enough.

I’m nervous but excited to see what the game throws up. If it goes tits up, we’ve got time to bring in players, if it goes well, maybe we don’t quite need 6 players to compete.

Put your predictions on a postcard and sign it faith!

See you in the comments…

P.S. So much for Fergie being nice…

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  1. bayo11

    AM TIRED OF COWARDS CALLED GUNNERS POSTING USELESS SHIT ON INTERNET….IT IS TIME TO BE HEARD PLEASE COUNT ME IN FOR THE PROTEST…..

    THE PROTEST MUST BE DIRECT……KORENKE TALK OR GO…ARSENE BUY OR GO

  2. gazzap

    anyone criticising any player today, especially youngsters, is missing the point. 99% of managers who send a team out to play at OT against a rampant united side do not ship 8 goals.
    so how come a team with as much talent as ours ships 8?

    Its all down to tactics. We needed to be set up defensively to deny them space to play. Get close to them , keep it tight and maybe nick a goal. thats how any team that has ever won at OT has done it. Even when we have won 1-0 there we defended well first before we can score the winner. What was that non-league team that went to OT and nearly won? do you think they went there and tried to play Man U off the park? Amazing things can be achieved if you defend well and keep it at 0-0. and it has nothing to do with the quality of players. Do you think that non-league team has defenders even as good as Djourou, and Kozzer? They just had manager who wasn’t a stubborn old cunt, and players that worked hard first and foremost.

    Wenger sent out a 4-3-3 team to play football. Then took off our only DM at 3-1. Bloody suicide and negligent. For me sackable.

    Moyes has never had a budget at everton but he always makes his team hard to beat. they dont have many great players but he gets the most out of them. I’d take Coyle too.
    Wenger just go.

  3. GUNNER786

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  4. gazzap

    Neville was spot on on sky about the high line. we were asking for a spanking. If our defenders were just allowed to defend how they felt naturally I feel sure they wouldn’t push up that far. Wenger makes them do something unnatural.

  5. yangkamp10

    well said boozy.

    But what good is a top striker in a team that takes 35 passes to get into the box when it should only takes 3 of 4?

    My girlfriend said the other day, “why are they taking so long, all the newcastle players are back now?”

    I almost cried when she said that. She was doing her nails at the time and could see what Wenger cannot.

  6. Swedish Gun

    just in case someone missed it

    bayo11 says:
    August 28, 2011 at 20:21
    Arsenal is about to sign a striker whose team got relegated. The truth is that the whole club is rubbish run by a group of useless souls. How dare you sign a striker from monaco after all this shit we are in but they dont care about the fans.

    Truly this is our busiest summer…fucking bastards but the conclusion is it is not wenger or the board’s fault, it is the fans fault for keeping quiet and posting messages on le grove and other sites instead of staging a protest. We wait for the latest post from legrove and other blogs everyday instead of going out there and fighting for what we pay for and what belongs to us..

    We have had enough of posts on the internet…ITS TIME TO BE HEARD.

  7. Doublegooner

    Bayo11:

    email me.

    the more names we have the more we can all get together.

    Spread the word,

    OOOOH2 OOOOH2B OOOOH2B A GOONER

  8. Ricky

    DG,

    There are a bunch of ppl that need sacking at arsenal right now.. If i had the opportunity to make changes at the club, wenger would be the last thing i’d change.

    I’d really like to see what wenger will do with a ambitious board.

  9. GUNNER786

    Wenger recently said in an interview that “he loves Arsenal”

    Well Arsene, I know the board is not going to sack you but if you did really love Arsenal then you would do the right thing and resign.

    Total humiliation today.

  10. ikon

    Till now cant get around to how disgusting the performance was…
    how could anyone get beaten 8-2 and come up with statements like “In England you think buying is the only option” or “We will buy if we find someone who is better than this lot” who got spanked)”???

    miserable failure, thts what the much hyped arsenal academy is…. its just a place where wenger gooes every morning to have his daily dose of ego inflation, then pulls up a red tie, and then banters his side with broken english and shives them away to get their asses whipped for this ludicrious manager.

  11. Santos

    Imagine Moyes had 45 million to spend every year. Everton would have been challenging for trophies. At the moment, if he became our coach, I would be flabbergasted. We need a British manager, who values the fans, British players, grit and the might of the beautiful cannon. I pity the away fans. They must be refunded their cash. This must be the worst performance of a lifetime. Nasri must be tweeting Cesc telling him how they made the right move before the Titanic sank.

  12. Carlito

    Eboue

    You are a complete prick.

    Jenkinson is an inexperienced kid who has been thrown to the lions. Having a go a players who have not even had a handful of games is completely out of order.

    The person to blame for this mess is Wenger, not a youngster who has just joined us.

    Wanker.

  13. JJ

    I don’t trust Wenger with the clubs money. I would rather give the available funds to a new manager.

    Utd’s kids were light years ahead of our kids. Wenger’s so called eye for talent is over-rated.

  14. GUNNER786

    Listen Wenger,

    Arsenal have the most expensive season tickets. You should be rewarding the fans buy buying world class players.

    Kudos to the away fans today at OT.

  15. Rhyle

    I’m surprised by how anyone is surprised by anything that comes out of Wenger’s mouth at the moment…

    Excuses and lies are all he’s got left…

  16. sarge

    His comments become more ludicrous. No one believes a word that comes out of his mouth anymore. But it does go deeper than Wenger. The geriatric board should have been given their marching orders when they signed up to the Kroenke pension plan. None of ‘em have any business running this club anymore. Their mandate should have been torn up the minute they cashed in their shares or at least put on a definitive notice period whilst the slient moustache found a new board to replace them. The damage goes beyond a manager well past his sell by date. Until there is a top down shake up we will continue to drift rudderless and clueless.

  17. yangkamp10

    man u will not put 8 past another top flight team again this year. We are supposed to be title contenders and CL worthy????

    At that level your SQUAD should be unable to ship 8 goals in any one game. This result highlights the negligence that has been instilled at the club since 2005.

    He should be mortally ashamed of this result tonight, but he is not, he has a list of excuses as long as my arm.

    he must go and I’ll be bellowing as such at Double’s march/protest/riot in the streets!

  18. Rhyle

    Demonstrate. One voice, one request.

    GIVE US OUR ARSENAL BACK.

    There’s a lot of talk on some other sites of how this was a one-off, that it’ll never happen again.

    i think these guys are missing the point.

    it should never have happened in the first place.

  19. deano

    its time for stan and usmanov to step in they’re the biggest share holders and its there money down the drain if we go they go but one thing i think is certain there will be changes in the next couple of weeks……..

  20. Goonermart

    Please please die in your sleep tonight you senile child trafficing african loving lying grinning french cunt.

  21. Zorr0

    Well I’m afraid I can’t say I was too shocked that such a team missing so many key players, and with a manager who appeared incapable of giving any direction to them or change any tactics, got so royally fucked over.

    I was at THOF when they beat us 6-2, West Lower had loads of mancs in it that day so was not pleasant. I did not go to the 6-1 at OT, when a team containing the likes of Henry, Seaman, Cole, Vieira and Pires were battered. They all hurt more than this because it was undreamt of that we could lose like that.

    Nowadays? Well it was hopefully the impact moment of the car crash in slow motion we have all been watching for quite some time now. Bottom of the trough? I fucking hope so.

    We were shocking. Weak penalty from RvP which could have made some difference. Traore looked like he had never played LB in his life. Jenkinson is just too inexperienced to play Young right now. Coqauvin tried hard. Evra is Theo’s kryptonite. Shocking defending for the first, mainly by JD who is the most lightweight six footer ever but Kos should have stuck his head in a bit firmer.

    Second goal, Coqeulin let Young get the space he was after and the shot was just brilliant. 3rd I did not see as I went outside for some air to clear my head from the impending gloom.

    We had chances to pull one back from RvP and AA, but fucked them up. Then we fail to learn from the first free kick, although I have to say I think Chesney could have been a bit more over that side, but he was more worried about the wall being breached.

    Next two goals were just cheap and due to the whole team having capitulated by then. Another goal back. Oxcart on and did nothing as soon down to 10 men. Stupid clumsy challenge by Theo gave Rooney a hat trick, the JD stood off Young again and he hit another peach, although I would like to think that Chesney might have gambled a little onhim trying that same trick again.

    Credit to the away support, who were brilliant.

    We can still finish 4th, which would be the best we can manage, if we buy at least 4 players between now and the end of the season and we can stop getting players sent off or injured and get Jack fit.
    The main reason I think we can finish 4th is we have to compete v spurs and the bindippers, who will all lose to the top 3, as we will, so it will come down to what we can manage v the rest of the division.

    AW is finished. He sat there watching it unfurl and he looked like the proverbial dead man walking! The challenge now is to keep the club ticking over and in the champions league spot until he goes. Which I still feel could be some time away from happening!

    You cannot blame some of these players for not being ready, they are just doing their best as it stands at present. The blame must sit squarely on the shoulders of the man who has left himself with no other option than to play them, due to him selling players without obtaining an adequate replacement first, our appaling injury record, misplaced faith and his ridiculous hypocrisy in selling a player in his final year of contract for 23 million but refusing to pay 14 million for a decent CB in the same situation.

  22. MARK GOONER

    djourou was awful
    as as traore

    as was wengers tactics
    as was our depleted squad

    rvp as a main striker is boring

    no pace no movement

  23. Had enough

    I firmly believe it’s the board that are the main problem!
    Board 80%
    wenger 20%
    He has nobody to help him or answer to it’s just fucked up!
    Stopped goin to matches and demand some answers for fucks sake, who is accountable for this mess!! Its mad I feel like for 3-4 yrs we’ve been just a little bit more effort away from bein great wether that was signing a couple of players or bringing bk an ex player like known as defensive coach etc… Imagine if we had done a few little things differently like bought a world class striker to replace Henry, mid fielder for paddy and a cb, brought in a proper no 2 like keown,. We would hav won a title by now and prob wouldn’t hav lost fabregas etc… How much money would that of been?? Not alot

  24. john

    Get Kroenke out. And get David Dein and Alisher Usmanov in. The football brain of Dein and the money of Alisher Usmanov.

  25. yangkamp10

    I think if he’s not turned things round by November (and first he’ll evidently need to admit there is a problem that needs turning, ffs!) a new man will be brought in with money in the January window to begin rebuilding.

    I have absolutely no reason to believe this will happen of course, but a guy can dream right? Surely this will not be tollerated till the end of his contract?
    I do not jest when I say with the current level of decline and the way things snowball we could be out of the division in 3 years.

  26. JJ

    DJ was his usual impersonation of a practice sillouette (with his hands behid his back). I don’t think he made one tackle. Useless personified.

  27. Goonermart

    “I am very open if we can find the right players. We have the money to sign players. If we find players who can strengthen our team then we will do it. But I am not the only one to work on the case, we have 20 people who are working on that. If we do not do it, it is because we don’t find them.”

    Cahill, Parker, Samba, Mata, Enrique and even fucking barton could have all been signed before the end of june.

    If we’ve got twenty people working on that sack the lot of them.

    We’re a fucking laughing stock.

    Makes me sick to recall that grinning cunt in fridays press conference thinking it was funny to have a 6 million bid turned down by bolton.

    He lies to the fans, lies to the press and lies to himsel, the gutter is to good for him.

  28. Gooby

    The only way to win trophies is to spend big nowadays, wenger project won’t work, it takes too much time to deliver and we can’t hold onto the players long enough at this rate.

    anyone who’s not particularly attached to the club, fuck me even if he was would leave to double his wages.

    wee won’t win the league even if we signed cahill and hazard imo.
    football isn’t fair, only money talks

  29. JJ

    Piers Morgan ripped Wenger a new one today on Fox Sports. He said that he has heard from within the club that Wenger just can’t make a decision on transfers which is why we always lose out on targets.

  30. sarge

    Nice to see the dope smoking Wenger cheerleaders on ACLF are still 100% behind him. They must be cooped up in a private wing of Highbury House only allowed to communicate with the outside world as a Wenger propoganda tool. They could have taught Goebels a thing or two. If only they didn’t talk so much unbelievable shit!

  31. Ernie

    JJ…Who gives a shit what Piers Morgan has to say. He’s an overblown bag of wind that couldn’t say anything intelligent to save his own stupid existence of a life.

  32. miki dora

    My cousin is 14 and apparently a ‘real prospect’ according to the school. I can send l’twat his number and see if we can get him in for the Swansea game? Fucking bunch of cunts.

    I can’t even believe we’re discussing transfers. WE”VE HAD THE WHOLE FUCKING SUMMER. That team, injuries or not wasn’t even a moderate Carling Cup side. I don’t give a fuck about some bullshit excuse about injuries/suspensions anymore. You create a squad with depth. That was beyond nothing.

    If anyone says that Kos is worth more than 28p then I’ll go nuts. We’re so woefully short in defence with french wankers who couldn’t give a fuck it’s embarrasing. Yet on the other team is a gooner we should of signed and a defender whose got more guts than our ‘manager’.

    Woeful

  33. kev

    once off – what will happen when we play city and all their attacking talent? after that game today every half decent team will look to exploit our weaknessess.

    theres no way im going to watch the likes of toure silva nasri aguero and dzeko running at our defence. ill have a fucking heart attack

  34. Ernie

    The lads really did try today, you know they did. What more can we ask a group of individuals who have been so poorly trained and prepared? It’s effectively the same as watching the Poles take on the Germans in WWII with a cavalry facing tanks and machine guns.

  35. Squirrel

    I said we would get beat by 6 goals today and i have never been ashamed to be an arsenal fan in my life but today i was ridiculed by man utd fans after conceding 8 goals in what was predicted the word team i’ve ever seen go to old trafford.
    Please Arsene Wenger resign today and save us from further hulmiliation,if you have any pride left after today you will walk away and let someone else have a go.You have continously ignored everyone on what is needed because you know better but as a fan we are suffering the humilitaion of having spurs manu and man city and chelsea destroy us.
    West brom,wolves,sunderland blackburn etc will not concede 8 at old trafford this season thats a fact.
    Go now you are an embarassment to arsenal football club.

  36. Gooby

    our line up was beyond a joke today.

    traore is utter shit, jenk too young and still shit, djourou was running around like a headless chicken, kozzer only performs with good defenders around him and coquelin well….

    not to mention rosicky and arshavin both useless and theo being his usual self.

    only ramsey looked slightly better than the rest.

    we need a squad

  37. yangkamp10

    we brought on a 14m player today in Oxlade -C.

    Good prospect no doubt, but for 14m that could have been Arteta or someone with really experience.

    Fucking Van der Vaart cost less than Oxlade – C. I mean really what the fuck is going on with our transfer policy. You couldn’t make this stuff up!

  38. Ernie

    Why should anyone be surprised, let alone disappointed or angry, that we are with three days to go in the transfer window and have not yet addressed our core needs from last season? This is Arsene Wenger deja vu all over again! No surprise, none whatsoever.

  39. sarge

    Ernie I would say a few tried today but there are some who should be ashamed of the shift they put in today. Some of them should be pushing for regular starts, but they peformed like they know that they are 2nd or 3rd choice and are happy just to remain that on scandalously high wages

  40. Ernie

    JJ…The only difference is that he has a forum/platform to speak from. You and I only have this and anyone that is willing to listen. No difference and he’s not saying anything that is not being said here. So I ask again, why should he be any different than you or I? He’s not, so who cares again what he has to say.

  41. Ernie

    Goonermart…Yeah, same here. I’ve had far better days. Sorry is all that I can say to anyone today. Sorry that we have to feel this way because we placed trust in someone to do the right things and they have not.

  42. JJ

    My point is that Piers just tore Wenger a new one on live tv in front of the entire US footballing public. That will be noted by Kroenke.

    He can’t have liked that kind of publicity.

  43. MARK GOONER

    cahill should have been on tour with us in asia
    instead he will join bang in the middle of a crisis with our season already in pieces

    how is he not signing a left back
    or a striker with pedigree
    he is taking the piss

    enough is enough with this shit
    3 days to save his job and the only way that will happen is with 4-5 top class signings
    which wont happen so we need to get ready for his departu

  44. Goonermart

    what the fuck is wengers project anyway, sell every decent player until we end up with a fucking youth team and a bench that is more useful as fire wood.

    We have less potential than 6 fucking years ago, some project.

  45. Ricky

    gg,

    When has phw ever said anything we want to hear.

    He is exactly what is wrong with the club! Wankers like him barking out orders when he owns fuck all arsenal.

  46. Ernie

    JJ…No, no one would ever enjoy any bad press. I suppose you are right, get the message across any way you can. And this would be one of those ways.

  47. BOOZY

    i cant understand the stick ramsey is getting – he was one of the better players today.

    rosicky doesnt surprise me – shouldn’t be wearing the shirt – lansbury should take his place immediately.

  48. Oskar

    The funny thing is that I think every single one of us Arsenal fans would have been able to strengthen the Arsenal squad given the money we have at our disposal. Clichy goes – Get Baines or another experienced left back in. Sign a centrehalf. Fabregas goes – replace him with Hazard or another marquee signing. Prepare it so that you anounce it at the same time to soften the blow and show the fans ambition. Nasri goes – Spend every cent of that money and replace him. For 24m I promise you that you can get someone who will chip in what Nasri did last season and even more!

    The bottom line is that Wenger is just stubborn and has no idea when it comes to PR. I mean we have the Emirates Cup right? Wouldn’t be a great idea to lift the fans and anounce a signing and show him off there? Just saying….

    rant over!

  49. Carlito

    Every team will fancy their chances against us now. The Swansea game will be telling. If we have a hard time against them then I think every game will be a struggle.

  50. Ernie

    You could see all of this coming back last season with the Newcastle Debacle. They never did recover from that confidence killing day, never. Players openly gave up (see Cesc and Nasri) and the defense was constantly exposed from the learnings of that day (trust knowing that other teams prepare for Arsenal better than Arsenal prepares for them). Nothing from Newcastle on demonstrated anything positive towards today. The only person who sincerely believed that nothing was and is wrong is Absurd Wenger. If you doubt that, listen closely today, listen closely yesterday and…listen closely tomorrow.

  51. gnarleygeorge9

    Ricky

    Exactly! And I bet he has run & hid like a spoilt little boy. Lkes sticking it up the fans publicly, but goes missing when it gets tough. Weak, gutless, spineless old fart he must be.

  52. sarge

    Ernie – Funny enough, no. although he was totally ineffective, he did appear to be trying. I was mainly referring to our two goal scorers (and that was their only positive contribution all day – I could have defended against Walcott today and I’m in my 40′s), Traore (a poor excuse for a LB that I’ve ever seen pull on an Arsenal shirt) and Djourou. I felt sorry for Jenkinson because he got no cover from Walcott who couldn’t even keep Evra occupied enough to prevent frequent 2v1 situations up against Jenkinson. RVP’s body language was awful and Walcott – well was Walcott basically.

  53. Carlito

    I hope the crowd don’t get on the back of individiual players. That is counter productive in my opinion. Most of them are too inexperienced or just not good enough anyway.

    Wenger however, deserves any abuse he gets.

  54. Ernie

    We could have had Arguelo, Mata, Young, anyone for crying out loud. Why did we not act? Because Absurd Wenger can only do one thing at a time. He had to take care of his son’s Cesc and Nasri first and ensure they were happy, regardless of what the current squad needed. One thing at a time is what a small child does when they are asked to concentrate. How is it that a grown man cannot multi-task in this day and age? How????

  55. PV4

    Baines; Cahill; Jagielka; Samba; Kaka; Higuain; Di maria; Hazard; Lukaku; Mata; Young; Jones; Smalling; Arteta…all players plus dozens more that the French cunt can’t make his mind up on!!!!!!!!!

  56. MARK GOONER

    in terms of top top class
    1 keeper
    2 defenders
    1 midfielder

    thats all we have the rest are either just good or average

    our only good striker has scored 55 goals less the wayne rooney has and thats with rooney playing 3 years less

    the squad is just far too thin

    we need a CB LB creative midfielder, winger and striker

    and all of them have to be of a quality we havent signed for years

  57. yangkamp10

    Everyone will fancy their chances against us now.

    Cahill might even fancy seeing out his contract then seeing what his options are. That’s what i’d to tbh.

    As for Kronke, if he’s only getting embarrased by piers making him look a twat on Fox, he really shouldn’t be running our club.
    How about Fergie and a fat lad from Liverpool making you look a twat?

  58. kev

    cahill isnt going to join us. does anybody think that any decent defender will watch that game today and say – wow arsenal are going places i want to be apart of that. no fucking way.

    cahill will laugh at wenger if bolton accepts an offer from us.

    we will make good defenders look bad

  59. RobFromAus

    We have taken 13 points from our last 14 premier league games. Surely after the first 7 you would realize that a problem was evident. Nope not our fearless leader… Now we have received our worst beating since 1897…. Will we fix the problem? Not according to our manager who was more focused on making excuses with injuries etc! Now i have to go to work with 2 fella’s who are Mancs and listen to good mates of mine who is a spud and a band wagon Pool supporter… Sigh can’t wait for the txt msg’s i will be bombarded with today. Cheers Wenger you senile old cunt….

  60. Oskar

    I hope Wenger resigns. You can clearly see the downward spiral. Same thing happened at Monaco and look where they are now… just saying!

  61. Goonermart

    Fuck I feel so bad for those superb away fans today, having to sit through that shit and then take 2 hours to get away from the place.

    wengers going to fuck up all these young players too, poor cunts

  62. Ernie

    Sorry Sarge…I just as soon forgot those two stiffs today. The goals they scored were feeble as was their collective performances. Saying that though, both do require someone to feed them the ball on a regular and sharp basis. This seldom happened and the result was an indifferent performance. RVP is only as good as those that feed him. He can’t do it alone and that was made obvious today. For me it was Arshavin and Rosicky that were needed to step up and take charge. I just did not see it, but then again can’t say I saw anything that could be considered positive in this performance.

  63. Carlito

    The tide has turned against Wenger now. What people have been saying for years is now apparent to virtually everyone but the most deluded Arsene groupies.

  64. Ernie

    Sarge…Agreed on Walcott. He’s only as good as, well not very to be truthful. He’s all speed with limited ability and talent. Tantamount to a blind squirrel eventually finding a nut.

  65. Oskar

    Walcott is good when played with intelligent playmakers. He is an instrument for them to use. Great pace and decent 1vs1 with the keeper.

  66. Carlito

    JJ

    I agree mate. Can only be a good thing having someone high profile echoing the sentiments of real Arsenal fans.

    Whatever you think of Piers Morgan he is a Gooner, and cares about the club the same as we do.

  67. sarge

    Ernie – We certainly don’t have the players right now who can keep the ball moving quickly enough and can spot a run and a pass like Cesc. That’s what really struck me today – how quickly Utd moved the ball and how willing players were to find space and receive the ball. We were slow and cumbersome and some players went hiding putting Utd players between them and the ball – cowards!! This has been a feature of our play since last season. The zippy confident football has gone. We are now left with an anaemic version of Arsenal in dire need of a blood transfusion

  68. lamia

    Just been over to aclf to check out the response. Its amazing, while there are a few dissenting voices, amazingly enough the vast majority are still defending wenger. “Give him more time” Wenger knows what he’s doing, its to be expected with so many first team players missing, blah blah blah. There was even one joker suggesting, in all seriousness that “we could have done with denilson and vela toady”
    The contributors are just as crazed as wenger. It really is the blog for the truly demented.

  69. Ernie

    Absolutely Sarge. I felt the same way as well about Cesc. With Nasri there was also another dimension of lateral ball movement. Ramsey is a ways off and Wilshire is not in play until likely October at the earliest. Once the weak minded individuals are back from suspension it will be more of a barometer of what we have, but I’m not holding my breath regarding the true quality of this years squad.

  70. sarge

    Oskar – his forward play is only one aspect and that is one dimensional at best. He has a defensive responsibility as well especially when he has a rookie behind him. Waddle was right he has no football intelligence, his decision making is distinctly average and his final ball belongs in the lower leagues. Once his pace has gone watch him disappear quick than a rock dropped into a pond.

  71. Ricky

    Anyone else notice rosicky when rooney took that 1st free kick..

    Looked as if he did’nt have a care in the world.

  72. tenerife gerry

    Complete and utter negligence.

    There is a massive problem at Arsenal FC within the board and management that is being kept quiet.

    People round me watching kept uttering ‘unbelievable’ I said no its fuckin not this has been blatantly obvious for ages.

    How the fuck do the board think they will sell tickets to watch this shite, never mind the world’s most expensive football tickets, in the future?

    My anger over the summers antics has turned into disgussed right now, hollow, hollow disgust.

  73. sarge

    Ernie – I think their transgressions say it all. To lose 4 players in three games to suspensions points to a distinct lack of intelligence and discipline and that has to be down to management. Feeble minded is an appropriate description. I think they all are, it just manifests itself differently. Some kick out, some go missing, others just give up.

  74. Ernie

    Lamia..My wife purchased an Arsenal magazine last season for me, thinking it was “cool”. I read it and it was a pure propaganda rag if ever there was one. All is great in the land of Arsenal according to the magazine. I went to the local newsstand the next month and read some again and voila, the same kool-aid being served again. That’s what ACLF peddles, all things pure and right with Arsenal. To Arsene Wenger and the Board AFC is the Land of Oz, where no one ever grows old and the streets are paved with gold. And they have many convinced that its all true. Hopefully today proved otherwise. It was, in all honesty, the best thing that could have ever happened under this ridiculous regime.

  75. Dave

    Ricky – goalie laughing at 3-1, most players running up to Rooney at full time like star struck teenagers. Embarrasing

  76. Goonermart

    Carlito. 100% agree not to get on the back of players, Jenkinson must be relieved to have a ban, poor sod.

    Oskar. wenger will not resign.

    would like to see walcott played up front and Arshavin behind, maybe then they would show some enthusiasm.

    Ernie. plus he has twenty other cunts to help him sign players. fuck me sunderland have signed 10 players.

  77. Sensible old chap.

    If you think ACLF is bad – i cant wait to see what ‘untold arsenal’ have to say – they are the biggest AKBs EVER.

  78. Carlito

    lamia

    I’m sure there’s some kind of weird demented competition amongst AKB’s to be the most hardcore, faithful defender of Wenger. As though some sort of pathetic devotion to a deluded and discredited man somehow qualifies them as the most passionate, rabid and loyal uberfan.

  79. DaleDaGooner

    Nice to hear Piers on Fox Soccer and twitter, Wenger is a joke right now, Pep and co can’t help but feel pitty for how negligent he is…How can you sell your top players to more ambitious tems and not have replaced them immediately or even before??/

    Wenger can’t see Man U, City, Chelsea, Barca, Real Madrid , Inter, Milan even Juventus strengthening every season, and think wait, we need to get in classy players, I mean, how do you sell your best players and think Ramsey is good enough to replace Fabregas….I see a lot of people saying he did well, he was utter shit and has been shit, he cannot replace Cesc, he isn’t that good, please! him and Rosicky created zero in the middle, he kept holding the ball and tapping it backwards! No forward thinking, and Rosicky is well past it, we knew that already, RvP is looking at Cesc and Nasri and he’s body language is why am I here?

    Wenger has to be blamed, no matter what the board are doing secretly, he could have selected players he wants to buy properly, Sunderland the reason we have remotely done well, coming 3rd or fourth in the last 6 years is because of Fabregas and a few class players we had at all, and they are all gone bar RvP…..He has turned Arshavin to shit by not adding more classy players, 1 a season is not to much to ask for….

    Totally depressed…..and he has the guts to say in England, the solution is always to buy??? Well go ask United, City and Chelsea where there have been the last 6 years, Wenger cannot be supported anymore after this shambles.

  80. zeus

    No clue that today was a record……

    Caretaker Steve Bould can put Arsenal back on track
    By Myles Palmer

    Before today the worst First Division defeat in Arsenal history was Leicester in 1963.

    That was 7-2.

    Manchester United 8 Arsenal 2 is a shaming result.

    Over to you, Stan Kroenke.

    You have a caretaker manager at your club

    Wenger, Rice and Primorac must go.

    The medical staff must go too.

    Steve Bould has all the badges and knows which players will not let Arsenal down.

    It’s time to reverse the Colney Creche culture.

    What better moment can there ever be?

    A historic meltdown result, an 8-2 thrashing, followed by a two-week international break.

    Most managers are replaced during international breaks.

    It’s obvious.

    Three games , three red cards.

    This cannot go on.

    JUST DO IT !

    Arsene FC has to be finished, kaput, over, dead & buried.

  81. Dutchman

    BREAKING NEWS:
    Here on the Dutch TV, there was an agent on TV and he is one of the best Dutch agents and he has many connections.
    He knows wenger very well and he was asked about the arsenal situation. He told that wenger is very confusing with transfers and that he is checking and checking his targets to much, so he doesn’t buy them because for example his transfer target plays a bad match. He also said that wenger is to scared to buy a big name because he can flop. Thats why he is saying that he only buys players who are really good enough. He really thinks that Cahill is not as good as Koscielny. He really thinks that Diaby is better then vd vaart. He is stubborn.

  82. frenchie

    incesc-

    i doubt we would be behind in wages if they would give wages to those who earn them. 50k to diaby, denilson, eboue (when afc), bendtner, et al…pay each of them what they are worth to the side and you would have an 140k per week. that did not happen, did it?

    but yeah, he did look unhappy about that one. nasri must really sting.

  83. Keyser

    Someone has to talk now, 3 days of the transfer window left now, something has to happen.

    I’m going on a killing spree as soon as I find my slingshot, Piers Morgan must die, tired of little cunts like him suudenly deciding to become pundits on the back of our misery.

  84. Rahul

    I wish i could join in the demonstrations ….. change is required, be it the management, board , youth policy or players over 30 poilcy.

    time wasted by outgoing transfers is hardly an excuse to not sign quality replacements before you let them leave , Arsene.

  85. Spanish Dave

    It happened at Monaco as we all said we saw it coming. If you have a good squad them you should be able to cope with injuries and suspensions. 4 players suspended in 3 matches says a lot about the discipline and the overall management of the club. It is rotten through the core , no ambition and the owner who knows nothing about football clubs. He’s let Wenger do what he wants and look whats happened . Protest please.

  86. Lordbergkamp

    Dutchman – I believe it! There’s so much stupidity with our transfer policy – we just don’t sign anybody worthwhile, ever. And that must be down to Wenger.

    And Wenger just doesn’t have the ability to manage a team of top performers – he’s too weak. Witness his inability to control the average dross we have. I mean 3 reds in 3 games!

    Fine the fuckers!

  87. frenchie

    piers morgan showed his intelligence by calling for martin o’neill as the next manager of arsenal. if a manager was to import and stamp his ethic on a team then the character of arsenal would that of quitting. personally, i do not mind o’neill, but i fail to see how he could do any better than ogl.

  88. gazzap

    I reckon if you gave Wenger the Barca team he could easily conspire to lose to Man Utd by a significant scoreline. He would coach all the good stuff out of them. their work rate would drop, defending would get even worse as he’d make them push up to the halfway line and he’d stop them shooting. seriously this guy can make talented players look like shit.

    Its not about players at Arsenal, its all about the manager now.

  89. Zorr0

    Arsenal Times had this and it made me laugh:

    “All Gazides has done, apart from Arsenalisation, is to get Indesit to sponsor the club, if you add an H that sums up his contribution.”

  90. Goonermart

    All the players we could have signed to strengthen the squad would have fitted it our wage structure, thats utter bullshit and just a fucking smoke screen.

    Dutchman. Yeah apparently David Dein had the same trouble with Wenger so would just go out and sign them anyway

  91. Lordbergkamp

    just watching Nasri tear the scum a new arsehole on MOTD. With great players around him he looks totally world class – I mean 3 assists…

    But (and this is the lesson for Wenger) he’s passing to Dzeko, Aguero, Silva. Brought for big money. No fucking about.

    Mother fucking old twat thinks he knows best. Cunting cunt.

  92. kev

    martin o neill you have to be kidding me. hed fill the squad with journeymen and overpriced average players. hes a good man manager but thats not enough.

    the man for the job if wenger goes is hiddink. ive said it over and over – hes a man with the knowhow and he has a touch of class about him. bring him in and give him 60 million along with the squad we have currently and well challenge for the title. hes a great manager

  93. Lordbergkamp

    Kev – agree totally. Hiddink is the man. We have to lose this stubborn french millstone that is dragging the club to it’s doom.

    His day has gone.

  94. incesc

    whats the problem with piers morgan apart from his a cunt.

    his views on arsenal are just the same as most people here

  95. gazzap

    The body language of the arsenal players looks like wenger has lost the dressing room. they have no belief in his ways anymore. He has to go. This team cannot finish 4th. 6th might be realistic.

  96. Dutchman

    The point is that we surely have 60m to spend + what we already had.
    It’s just wenger who is to stubborn to spend it. He could easily go and buy Cahill or Fellaini, but he doesn’t want to take the risk.

  97. Goonermart

    “you dont compare pain”

    Yeah if it was between your dog dying and your cat dying. Cunt

    “this game wasn’t an 8-2″ No it could have been 9-2 you cunt

  98. MJB

    We need some clarity from Arsenal. It’s not enough to say the money’s there if the salary offered isn’t realistic. Agreeing a fee with, for example, Inter for Wesley S (and we’re told that a £35 to £40 million fee isn’t a stumbling block) is unrealistic if we’re offering the player a fee way out of line with the other top clubs. The salary structure at Arsenal is completely out of kilter – far too much to the up-and-coming (most of whom never quite match expectations) and not enough to the experienced players – Cesc, Nasri et al – who put a shift in. No changes to the salary structure means we will never sign the like of a Benzama, Kaka or keep the likes of Van Persie, Vermaelen etc. Something needs to change, owner (Usmanov?), manager (Ancelotti?) or at the very least, approach.

  99. incesc

    gazzap

    6th is going to be a massive struggle, this team notoriously goes down the pan after a big disappointment.

  100. frenchie

    dutch-

    why fellaini? there are better out there than fellaini. spend it on m’vila, spend it on hazard, and spend it on cahill. and while he is at it, spend it on peraira…fuck we need a left back.

  101. Carlito

    Going to bed now, and so looking forward to work tomorrow.

    Most of my workmates are Y’s, and even after their result will still have the front to give it large.

    Why not though? How often does a club like Arsenal ship 8 goals? 115 years apparently. I hope you’re proud of that record Wenger. Mind you I haven’t worked out the average age of the team yet. It was probably quite young, so that’s something to hold on to. Also we have Diaby to come back, and and new signing that nobody has ever heard of. Exciting times.

  102. Lordbergkamp

    Dave – have you read the posts. He will not sign players!! He thinks that Cahill is worse than Kozza.

    He overthinks everything, by that I mean he thinks he’s more intelligent than everybody else – and his results are worse!!

    He literally cannot see what the rest of the world sees.

  103. frimpong is god

    now im no arsene fan i think the man should pack his bags but when he said you cant sell those two players and claim to be a big club could it be that he was saying that to the board? surely the man cant be this stubborn can he? BTW we got mangled

  104. leon

    there is just so much mystory about what is going on at arsenal so any unanswerd questions all we can do speculate about whats going. on to matters on the pitch i felt so sorry for the jekinson enyone can see they boy needs to be on loan at least 2-3 seasons to learn his trade its clear that manu young players have doing.i dont think it will ever happen but i think a real clearout in defence is need particualy in cb position.i wenger realy needs get a real solid right back and left back.i still say if fringpong and song had been availeble i dought wenger would dominated the midfield they way they did

  105. DaleDaGooner

    All these mugs in the board room and Wenger had since last season to bring in worldclass players and replacement for Nasri, Fabregas and others, including badly needed defenders …… 20 bastards could not sign in older experienced world class players, how?? Ramsey isn’t that good I’m sorry, I like the boy, but he isn’t ready, he would not start in Man U, Barca or Real, why is he starting as our creative midfielder? Did these people not see the fixture???

  106. Dutchman

    MJB agree, and the money is not the problem because we have the money but it’s just the stubborness from arsenal not to break the wage structure. To prove everyone wrong that you can win trophies without spending money. Such a mysterious club. Nobody knows what is happening. The fans should get more info on what is happening inside the club.

  107. kev

    cloggs what do you mean aspirations? he was all set to take over chelsea before AVB was given the position. hed take the arsenal job if he was offered a good salary

  108. kev

    agree dale – i love rambo and he will be class in time but this shit of using him as a replacement for cesc is mental. hes just not good enough yet or creative enough. its not his game. putting all this responsibility on his shoulders is going to fuck him up in a major way

  109. Doublegooner

    Kev:

    I agree with you. Lets be serious & approach Hiddink. Dennis & Keown must be approached too.

    DB10 still has his house in Hadley Wood.

    We need a completely new regime NOW.

    Wenger cannot attract quality players. Hiddink would.

  110. zeus

    Just saw the Piers Norgan interview. Ripping the shut out if Arsene. He’s right though. This can’t be just another in a kong line of poor results.

    Emergency board meeting ASAP. Tonight rather. We can’t let the next 3 days be about dicking around, rolling our thumbs. We are in BIG trouble.