Ahh well, there you have it.
Manchester City prove that money can’t buy your friends or respect… but it sure as hell can buy you trophies.
Manchester United showed that talent alone is never enough to win the league, you need hunger and drive as well.
Overall a very disappointing end to the season. No one wanted City to prove the point they proved. No one wanted them winning an invitation to Champions League football. However, no one wanted to see a scummy side like Stoke rewarded for being horrible, uninventive and nasty.
Their play was bereft of any sort of creativity and in the end, the slightly more impressive Manchester City won the day when their £200k a week signing (Yaya) rifled home late in the second half.
Will a trophy not regarded as important by Arsenal be the spring-board for 5 years of dominance for Manchester City? Only time will tell…
Though it has to be said… a limitless bank account and Champions League football sure is a good starting point
It’s a shame the work permit office are such a pain in the backside. It could be Yaya in our centre midfield over Song. He really is a superb player and I’m gutted we don’t have him. I really do have a problem with the Home Office. We’re quite happy to support 90% of bums from around the world in their bid to live here and leech of the system, however, when a young footballer with projected earnings of a million plus a year knocks on the country’s door, we turn down all that potential tax.
Good thinking…
I can’t understand why the Premiership clubs aren’t lobbying the Government to relax the laws. Our league has a massive disadvantage over Italy and Spain in respect of non-EU players. We should be allowed to do all the things other non-EU countries can… like drink in the stands, smoke in bars and slaughter bulls for fun in front of packed arena’s.
I hate being English…
Today is the last home game of a particularly horrible season. Most of us will be heading up to London with a Monday hangover in mind. I’m not sure where I’ll be drinking, but the Arsenal Tavern on Blackstock road to begin with… then the Che after sounds like a plan.
Let me know if anyone has any other ideas!
There will be a planned march tomorrow, I won’t be joining, but it’ll be interesting to see how many others do. Losing 3-1 to Stoke in your previous game probably isn’t conducive to a low march count.
We’ll see though, if anyone has any pictures, send them over!
Chezzer…
Our young Pole caused uproar amongst many Arsenal fans after the following comment…
”He built this team from nothing and he’s the best manager in the world, so I don’t understand why anyone would want him to leave.”
Many said he was referring to the current crop, according to Express journo Matt Law, he was referring to the team prior to Arsene Wenger.
Someone needs to remind the keeper of Arsenal’s rich history. Someone needs to remind him that Wenger’s first title was achieved using the spine of a team the last two managers left. Bruce Rioch took us from 12th to 5th inside a season, so we weren’t a team on the slide, he’d signed the greatest player in the clubs history before Wenger arrived. Someone needs to remind him that it’s extremely disrespectful to besmirch pre-1996 Arsenal. I can understand he is young, I understand he is defending his surrogate father, but don’t forget Arsenal made Wenger as much as he has made Arsenal over the past 15 years.
When you read interviews like that, it’s pretty apparent why Wenger would prefer to be king-maker. Would you catch Arshavin coming out with an interview like that? Probably not… I know that Sol Campbell tore into the players on a number of occasions last season after poor results, he didn’t last long did he?
Well, today is the last home game, so let’s enjoy it. We’ve all but qualified ourselves in the top 4, Aston Villa are on their knees with regards to confidence and the players really do need to sign off for summer with a bang. I’m looking forward to seeing Vermaelen at some point tomorrow, his leadership at the back has been missed but I’m still not sure he is a player we should assume will come into the fold next year and cure our woes. We were just as problematic last season. Our defensive issues don’t hinge on individual players, they hinge on preparation and the accountability of the team. Regardless, you know the man from Belgium cares about winning, you know he’ll always give 100% and now he’s the most experienced of our centre backs, he’ll hopefully blossom as a leader.
I’d imagine Wenger will throw a kid into the mixer tomorrow, it’s called selling the future and it usually happens when we’re angered after a season of disappointment. It’ll probably be Connor Henderson. He’s a player I like, but if there is a better player than him on the market and he’s available, I’ll not be interested in hearing arguments of career killing. What’ll happen is he’ll play well, he’ll play in the preseason, we’ll see him as a dead cert squad player, then he’ll be shipped out to Gillingham in late August.
Don’t fall for the hype… he’s a baby-faced excuse not buy players.
Let’s have a massive performance out there today and consign this miserable season of discontent to the history books…
I hope the players aren’t expecting us to hang around after, they can support themselves after 90 minutes, I’ll be supporting my passion for cold beer in the pub…
Beer never lets me down.
It always cheers me up and if it were a footballer, it’d never find itself overtaken on the half way line by a fat middle-aged referee…
Have a great day, enjoy the great British sunshine!
See you tomorrow for the match review…
P.S. Faces of Britain have put together a survey about the nations preferred Great Britain team for the Olympics next year… 4 of our players appear in the squad, 3 in the starting line up. Check out the details behind the story here.
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The kind of ass funk that has you questioning how long before you’re arsehole drops out and yer shoving your roids back in by the spoonful.
Wenger is a spud agent.
That should be the next banner.
Today was disgusting.
Tactically Wenger was very poor today, as were the performances bar RVP, and Wilshere. Special mention to Chamakh, who did try and offered a different threat but he has to have some serious intense shooting training if he wants to rival RVP, otherwise he will fizzle out and be sold. Not a great 2nd half to the season at all.
I’m not part of the “sack Wenger” crowd (I do not see any adequate replacements personally), but there has to be a massive overhaul in the coaching staff and defensive tactics, and more importantly the overall fitness and health of the players.
This pre-season, seeing as Arsene won’t be selling the “dead-wood”, what they need to do is some SAS style training. I wish there was a way I could speak with Wenger and say to him to hire some fitness coaches to take them to the alps and do some proper training, and awareness, so when they go on the field, there would be a whole different attitude and focus to our play, and a more direct and ruthless edge, rather than the indecisiveness that we have seen towards the end of the season.
I have noticed that we use a zonal marking from set-pieces, and this is highly ambitious and would only work if we had specific tactical training and our defenders had an intuitive positional awareness instilled in them. In recent times, I have come to the conclusion that Arsene doesn’t do this, and it’s looking like Pat Rice & other coaches don’t either, therefore, we need some new blood in this area.
All is not lost for us in the bigger picture, but as long as we keep failing in this manner and not taking a serious and inventive approach to this matter, we will continue to fail in this fashion.
It’s heart-wrenching personally, but the players we have now need that little extra to bolster them, and if we’re not gonna buy our way to a successful squad, we should at least adopt newer tactics such as changing our coaching and managing our fitness in a different way.
And Wenger IMO is under enormous pressure, because the team he has had so much faith in is letting him down massively, and he will take the blame.
Today was perhaps the last straw, I think that 6 will be sold this summer with a couple of loans.
I would like to see some sales, and I’d also like to see if Wenger is ambitious enough to take a chance on one of the young loanees we have out already, although that is a risk one shouldn’t really take.
I think Denilson should go, and if Arshavin doesn;t sort himself out, him too. Almunia thats a given.
BTW, Szczesny is not quite ready to be number 1 IMO, he’s making some Almunia type errors at the moment, hes making some good stops, but the Bent goals today he could possibly have done a little better than he did (the 2nd went right through him). I like his character, and hes a superb goalie in the making for his all round keeping, but not ready yet. Maybe he will have a great 2nd season, not sure, but God willing he will, hes got talent, and Wenger’s backing (of course).
Like I said, the team could benefit from some serious SAS style training. Get ‘em swinging Kettlebells about, that’ll toughen up their core lol.
OPG, I think you’re right. However, the danger is that the 6 who leave will not be the 6 who SHOULD leave…they are one salaries they will never manage to command anywhere else
now that Parker is relegated, we should get him, Wenger can drive a bargain.
Wenger isn’t as prudent as some fans make out though, our wage bill is fucking huge, so much so that it comes out of our transfer budget lol. Maybe we do need to sell some players, if not to fund new ones lol
So Mr. Arsehole is blaming the failed season on challenging on all 4 fronts.
Arent we SUPPOSED to challenge on all fronts you plonker.
I mean jeez.
bhn -
the only thing wenger can drive is himself and us round the fucking bend…
anyone who wants him to stay on as manager, im sorry to say, is a deluded cunt and an enemy of the state…
so picture yourself as will smith, ure credit cards and mobile have been turned off and your wife thinks ure a prick…
I fear that as a team, we have become just as one-dimensional as the long-ball merchants we so vehemently despise. Gone are the quick counter attacks and penetrative pass and move IMO.
Paulinho’s posts are quite scathing and harsh, but there is a painful truth to them, one that a lot of us would not admit. When we were at our best, our counter-attacking was swift, ruthless and clinical. Nowadays we’re lucky if we get such finishing, with the slow passing and lack of penetration. The problem is off the ball movement. All these great passers in the team, and nobody who is actually committing themselves to make runs.
Only Theo Walcott does this on a regular basis, however, as good as he is off the ball, he is still raw when he’s on the ball. He is very fast, but he’s not skillful, and he needs to shadow someone who is.
Diaby if he wasn’t fucking injured all the time would be a great player in the squad, but his poor fitness also adds to his inadequate level of consistency, which pisses the fans off really. He should do better, and as much as I wouldn’t want to see him leave, he MUST stay fit and he MUST be consistent. He was getting better till his injury. His concentration levels are also quite abysmal and should also be worked on, hence, serious training in order.
I’m deeply disappointed in this squad, they have shown much promise in terms of ability, and we do have a lot of heart and character (it is there), but we don’t have the focus and mentality of champions, and mentally we have been falling short. They’ve failed to deliver, and now they must buck up or pay the price.
Black Hand Ninja at 00:50
re: Set Pieces.
Your are just discovering what we’re saying 2 – 3 seasons ago.
Dont worry.
You’ll soon join the “Wenger Out” Brigade.
Even by your own admission Wenger has been tactical poor.
Welcome to reality.
David says:
May 16, 2011 at 02:01
So Mr. Arsehole is blaming the failed season on challenging on all 4 fronts.
Arent we SUPPOSED to challenge on all fronts you plonker.
I mean jeez.
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I think he is referring to the replays that we had to play, but even then, we did make that rod for our own back by not finishing off some of the cack teams we had to face (Leeds, Huddersfield and Ipswich spring to mind). Part of the mentality problem our team has is the complacency, which is what hurts us most.
Seriously, we cannot hide behind the refs obvious bias all the time, no matter what the ref does, we should still be wailing on these teams and we don’t, therefore, there is an internal problem. Is it Wenger?? Maybe, but he must change something, even if its a tweak. Starting with coaching staff & the training+fitness of players
Moray I think Almunia, Denilson and Arshavin are definitely going, even Wenger trusts Vermaelen more than Squillaci who’s had more games this season. Arshavin seemed to be out of breath quickly.
Black Ninja
Im afraid it has absolutely nothing to do with the replays imo.
We ran out of Gas long before then imho.
If you look at the way we stopped pressing teams and only Jack running around like a headless chicken looking like a cunt while the rest of the squad pranced about like Nikki Pink Boots Bendtner.
I remember when we were going to play Barca at the Camp Nou and Jack was talking to the press…that we had to Press them off the ball.
And then Diaby showed up.
David says:
May 16, 2011 at 02:10
Black Hand Ninja at 00:50
re: Set Pieces.
Your are just discovering what we’re saying 2 – 3 seasons ago.
Dont worry.
You’ll soon join the “Wenger Out” Brigade.
Even by your own admission Wenger has been tactical poor.
Welcome to reality.
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I knew we had a set-piece problems, I just expected it to be rectified, and am quite surprised to see that I am having this discussion with you now about it.
Even experienced defenders will have a problem marking zonally at a set piece where you have to track the unpredictable movement of a player from a dead ball situation. It’s asking for trouble (Tamir Cohen at Bolton springs to mind).
I doubt I will be in the Wenger Out brigade, If I was a board member, I would think very carefully before I sack him, our replacement would HAVE to be an improvement, otherwise it could be curtains to the top 4.
It’s easy to roll off names like Van Gaal and Rijkaard, but these are managers who, while very successful, appear to me like managers who don’t really do long term. It depends on how desperate you are for success, whether it’s in passing or for a sustained period. I understand your opinion a lot, I really do, but it is not an opinion that I would hold personally.
David says:
May 16, 2011 at 02:20
Black Ninja
Im afraid it has absolutely nothing to do with the replays imo.
We ran out of Gas long before then imho.
If you look at the way we stopped pressing teams and only Jack running around like a headless chicken looking like a cunt while the rest of the squad pranced about like Nikki Pink Boots Bendtner.
I remember when we were going to play Barca at the Camp Nou and Jack was talking to the press…that we had to Press them off the ball.
And then Diaby showed up.
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Pressing Barcelona is a hard task, their off the ball movement, combined with the hard drilled fitness and dedication to their game is impeccable. Pep Guardiola is the only man I want to replace Wenger. His team are almost machine like in their approach, they never seem to tire, they’re more annoying than United in this regard.
I wonder what measures he takes to prepare his team in such a manner, both in fitness and in mentality.
Anyway, I digress.
It takes off the ball awareness of the highest order to compete with Barca, and we just don’t have that, and I have believed for the longest while that Wenger would drill this into his current squad, but they don’t seem to do so. I have never seen an Arsenal team with such poor off the ball movement as the current one.
You cant blame the way we cunted off our Champions League position to replays.
This cancer started right after Theo Walcott scored that goal against Shakhtar
No way, I wouldn’t blame it on the replays either, I agree with you that we ran out of steam before that, I remember watching the Leeds game screaming, and the Ipswich game when we lost 1-0.
The Champions League meltdown, was pure complacency, we should have aced that group, I was highly disappointed. We didn’t even gather enough momentum for the knockout phase, and ran straight into Barca lol.
We need to shift our paradigm in-game, rather than just playing the same way all game, and have times where we shift into a more defensive pattern of play, soaking up pressure and countering with the speed that we used to and finishing with the ruthlessness of old. Alas, our strikers now instead of scoring have to worry about things like running channels constantly and assisting team-mates.
At least Robin is scoring a lot. Lets hope he stays fit (I bet he gets injured next season…)
Laurent Blanc,
Jürgen Klopp,
André Villas Boas,
Gus Hiddink
Luis Van Gaal
Óscar Tabárez
Pep Guardiola
Bert van Marwijk
Jurgen Klinsman
Frank De Boar
Any other decent manager wouldve found a proper keeper 3 seasons ago.
Any other decent manager wouldve bought the necessary CB pairing for the future 3 seasons ago and not stop gaps like Sol Cambel and Silvestre in an attempt to show the world how much you spent ergo saying how clever you are
Any other decent manager wouldve won something by now.
We have the worlds best midfield. (bar barca) and even at that the best midfielder in the World in CF4.
Wenger has done alot of great things for the club.
But his stubborness and refusal to fix glaring problems that he dismisses as the “easiest thing to do” for over 7 years now its time to look else where.
You have your opinion. Fair enough.
But the facts are that it took him 7 years to build this miserable bunch. That have consistently failed him.
And by sticking with them. He choses to identify himself as a failure.
David says:
May 16, 2011 at 02:38
Laurent Blanc,
Jürgen Klopp,
André Villas Boas,
Gus Hiddink
Luis Van Gaal
Óscar Tabárez
Pep Guardiola
Bert van Marwijk
Jurgen Klinsman
Frank De Boar
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Klinsmann, Villa Boas and Guardiola are the ones in that list I like. I would preferably like a manager who favours attacking football like Wenger, but obviously not with the glaring tactical naivety that we are seeing in our defense now. Blanc’s good but he is France’s manager (I was not too amused with his “black players” comments either).
I wasn’t aware Frank De Boer was a manager, will look out for him and the others I haven’t heard of.
Van Gaal is a name I hear a lot, but not wholly impressed with his style of play, but he would probably at least win you something. I like to be entertained when I watch football, and I wouldn’t really like to see a manager come and have us play boring football.
(although admittedly, sometimes when we don’t show up, our football can be plodding and laborous)
Well Black Ninja,
You’d be pleased to know that Frank De Boer manages Ajax FC.
The home of “total football”
Ajax hadnt won anything for 7 years either until now.
List of possible better managers than Wenger cont’d…
The woman who makes me breakfast rolls in Spar
The Polish bird who hands me the Metro in the morn
My Uncle Norbert (whos blind and deaf)
Alex Fergusons wank sock
Philip Schofield
Philip Schofields wank sock
The bird who does the letters on Countdown
The bird who does the letters on Countdowns’ wanksock
My goldfish
My goldfishs’ wanksock
Jürgen Klopp,
Manges Burrisia Dortmond who have won the German league with a Starting XI team of average age 22.
So it is entirely and completely possible to win the league with young players.
Fergie did it. Jürgen Klopp has done it in Germany.
Arsene Wenger quite clearly isnt capable.
tiarnan
If birds had wank socks theyd be dudes.
David says:
May 16, 2011 at 02:44
Any other decent manager wouldve found a proper keeper 3 seasons ago.
Any other decent manager wouldve bought the necessary CB pairing for the future 3 seasons ago and not stop gaps like Sol Cambel and Silvestre in an attempt to show the world how much you spent ergo saying how clever you are
Any other decent manager wouldve won something by now.
We have the worlds best midfield. (bar barca) and even at that the best midfielder in the World in CF4.
Wenger has done alot of great things for the club.
But his stubborness and refusal to fix glaring problems that he dismisses as the “easiest thing to do” for over 7 years now its time to look else where.
You have your opinion. Fair enough.
But the facts are that it took him 7 years to build this miserable bunch. That have consistently failed him.
And by sticking with them. He choses to identify himself as a failure.
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It is hard to argue with your assessment. Even little errors can grow to be big, glaring ones when not dealt with. And we are now seeing the fruits of such errors.
It looks as though he will stay with us, so he has one more season before the list of dissenters grow to a majority, and then the board and Arsene really will be under pressure, he may even resign if anything.
I honestly believe that this can all be rectified if Wenger spends money on his coaching staff. Alex Ferguson always freshened his staff to get fresh ideas and different ways to lay out his team tactically, and Brian Kidd & Mike Phelan are doing a fantastic job in aiding him.
Arsene Wenger has had Rice and Primorac since day dot. Their ideas are no longer fresh, they are dated and quite frankly, not progressive any more. Even the fitness is all wrong, why are there so many injuries? Why is their recovery so poor?
Many questions now, Wenger has some serious work to do this summer, this will be the most important pre-season of Wenger’s term as Arsenal manager.
David says:
May 16, 2011 at 02:54
tiarnan
If birds had wank socks theyd be dudes.
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youre right.
ok, philip schofields wank tights.
Well Black Ninja,
I whole heartedly agree with you the backroom staff needs a revamp.
But as you can see now. Our Great Leader’s first order of business was to get Pat Rice another 1 year extension.
So im afraid we are deluding ourselves thinking things are going to change.
Haha, I thought it was Ronald in charge of Ajax.
As for Borussia Dortmund’s success, they have obviously bucked the trend. Wenger’s capability to win trophy’s isn’t the real issue, but is a symptom of the issue which I think is this.
I think it is possible that Wenger isn’t quite the progressive force he was for us when he came. That is what I currently believe, especially after the last couple of weeks. It’s clear that his ideas aren’t fresh anymore, and neither are his current staff. They are failing to adapt, and have assembled a technique-based team with the same lack of ability to adapt.
Wenger still has something to offer, but not while he is currently deploying the same tactics with no tweaks. His adapted 4-3-3 had promise, but it has not utilised the best of his squad, and therefore he needs to change it.
Many questions now, Wenger has some serious work to do this summer, this will be the most important pre-season of Wenger’s term as Arsenal manager.
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yawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnn……
thats been said every year for 5 years now, do u go to the pat rice school of fresh ideas?
say this with me, u’ll feel alot better…take a deep breath …slowly exhale….another deep breath…
WENGERSS A CUNT!
how does that feel?
And if he cannot tweak this team to find it’s balance next season, then it will be clear to me that he can no longer win us trophies.
Things are not so far gone that he cannot win right now, but as much as I have a vast amount of respect for Wenger, he really must be proactive in dealing with this problem.
As for Rice staying on, that’s not such a bad thing, but if he stays and there is no additions to the coaching staff, I don’t see anything changing unless Wenger has some magic up his sleeve. Right now, I am hoping he does, but it’s looking unlikely that he will, outside of some “unknown” signings lol.
Jedward says at 3:09
You say you’re on it but you just don’t know
You’re spending money like you’re on death row
You must be mis-educated
By all the guys that you dated
You think I’ll take the bait but I don’t think so
Ohhhh
Am I headed for a car crash?
Ohhhh
Im just about to meet my match, she takes the
Ohhhh
I’m about to fall in head first
Sisters let me tell you how it works
HEY!
(CHORUS)
She’s got her lipstick on
Here I come, da da dum
She’s got her lipstick on
Hit and run, then I’m gone
Check my collar, collar, hey, hey, ey
Check my collar, collar, hey, hey, ey
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People on death row are known to be quite stingy, due to the lack of available retail outlets, lack of cash, and bleak outlook on life….
No wonder they didnt win the Eurovision with nonsensical lyrics like that.
Black
You make a great point about the 4-3-3 and tweaks.
But i think Wenger HAS BEEN tweaking it for a long time now.
Cesc started in the deep role. Moved forward. then moved back.
RVP started on the wings, moved central and now he’s playing in the Cesc role.
Bendtner started centrally moved out right.
Went Central.
Moved out right. Then moved on the left Wing.
Song has played in just about every position you can think of.
CB, DM, AM, CM.
And what can you say about Eboue!?
tiarnan says:
May 16, 2011 at 03:07
Many questions now, Wenger has some serious work to do this summer, this will be the most important pre-season of Wenger’s term as Arsenal manager.
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yawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnn……
thats been said every year for 5 years now, do u go to the pat rice school of fresh ideas?
say this with me, u’ll feel alot better…take a deep breath …slowly exhale….another deep breath…
WENGERSS A CUNT!
how does that feel?
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I’m sorry, I don’t like calling our manager a cunt, never have done. Despite his current failings, he still is our most successful manager and I refuse to show that level of disrespect towards him. Nor our players. Even if they are playing like shit, calling them cunts……personally, I don’t like that. So I won’t do it.
bhn
how exactly is he our most successful manager?
(this was discussed the other day and easily proved hes not – but by all means give it your best shot)
Even the ones that arent constantly shifted about,
Nasri, Arshavin, Walcott, Chamakh, et al are round pegs in square holes.
Which is why they are frequently subd off.
David says:
May 16, 2011 at 03:11
Black
You make a great point about the 4-3-3 and tweaks.
But i think Wenger HAS BEEN tweaking it for a long time now.
Cesc started in the deep role. Moved forward. then moved back.
RVP started on the wings, moved central and now he’s playing in the Cesc role.
Bendtner started centrally moved out right.
Went Central.
Moved out right. Then moved on the left Wing.
Song has played in just about every position you can think of.
CB, DM, AM, CM.
And what can you say about Eboue!?
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These tweaks didn’t really make sense to me. I’m sure Wenger himself knows he can do better than that.
Cesc playing deep was the only one that seemed to work, simply because Cesc, while good at finding space, is not fast, therefore his movement has a slight. He operates better when deep because he is less likely to be picked up, thus has more control over the play. It made sense initially to play him further forward because he started scoring, but as teams have picked up on his movement, and Cesc himself isn’t playing particularly great, his threat has been somewhat nulified to an extent.
As for Bendtner on the wing…..well, I won’t talk about that loool. Eboue has great athleticism, and is actually better at dribbling than Walcott, but he’s such an unpredictable player that he can either be a revelation or a liability wherever he’s playing.
RVP was perfect for the “false 9″ role as they call it, but because he plays wing for Holland, that’s where Wenger initially played him when he put the formation into play, but I think he saw the potential of RVP in such a role and his effectiveness from deep in terms of assisting, movement and taking of chances. So far, this has been the best thing about the formation because so far this year, he’s scored in nearly every game.
tiarnan says:
May 16, 2011 at 03:15
bhn
how exactly is he our most successful manager?
(this was discussed the other day and easily proved hes not – but by all means give it your best shot)
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Simple, he’s won us the most trophies as a manager, and as far as I am aware (correct me if I am wrong & look it up) has the highest win percentage of all our managers. Anything else on the contrary, while definitely arguable, is subjective.
Let us not forget that he went a league season unbeaten. I say this not to overshadow his current failings, I am also disappointed much as you are, but I am merely defending my reason why I do not call him a cunt.
Well
BHN
Its can be argued that Cesc had his best ever season last season playin in an Advanced position.
My point is that Arsene has tweaked the living shyte out of this formation sacrificing the likes of Vela’s career (who imo is outstanding in a 4-4-2)
and quite frankly its just hasnt worked out.
bhn –
Anything else on the contrary is subjective…
Haha – thats brilliant – you state your argument as FACT and then undermine any possible argument, no matter how entrenched in fact, as opinion….
If you want to get into percentages – what was George Grahams title winning percentage (per season) versus Wengers?
Worse or better – waddya reckon? (this isnt subjective by the by)
ARSENE,just go please and give the club a chance to save its future.
David says:
May 16, 2011 at 03:30
Well
BHN
Its can be argued that Cesc had his best ever season last season playin in an Advanced position.
My point is that Arsene has tweaked the living shyte out of this formation sacrificing the likes of Vela’s career (who imo is outstanding in a 4-4-2)
and quite frankly its just hasnt worked out.
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And thus is the conundrum. Where do you play Cesc? Especially seeing as this whole system was engineered to suit him. If his threat is now nululified, surely a change is in order? I agree with Vela, outstanding talent, but cannot function in the system, along with numerous others in the team.
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tiarnan says:
May 16, 2011 at 03:35
bhn –
Anything else on the contrary is subjective…
Haha – thats brilliant – you state your argument as FACT and then undermine any possible argument, no matter how entrenched in fact, as opinion….
If you want to get into percentages – what was George Grahams title winning percentage (per season) versus Wengers?
Worse or better – waddya reckon? (this isnt subjective by the by)
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George Graham was a magnificent cup manager, probably better than Wenger in this regard, his record in the cup comps would probably trump Wenger in terms of timeframe. I do not doubt that Graham was as ingenious a manager as Wenger, and I afford him the same respect (I wouldn’t call him a cunt either lol), however, Wenger won more trophies overall in his tenure, albeit in a longer timeframe.
I feel that Graham, even though forced out by the “bung” scandal, was having a similar problem to Arsene in that, despite our cup success, his ideas were getting a tad bit stale. Wenger seems to be having the same problem, and for all his brilliance, doesn’t have the same cup success that Graham has, in fact, Wenger’s cup teams fall well short for a manager of Wenger’s standard.
As I have said, it is very much opinion as in the overall picture, Wenger has won the most trophies for Arsenal full stop. Graham had two very successful league winning sides in 89 and 91 in 9 years, and I would never belittle that, but I wouldn’t use it to belittle Wenger’s record either, even if I hated him lol.
I know what you are trying to do, I know you guys have a very low opinion of Wenger right now, but I don’t feel it necessary to be “a doomer” and completely diss Wenger as though he has done nothing for us as a club.
This has been fun, but I must go to sleep, I need to go running in the morning to get fit as summer is very near lol.
May tomorrow be a good day for you both.
bhn –
sleep too i must….
may the force be with you….
Rijkaard is in need of work.
I’ve put together a summary of Arsenal’s last 6 years.
2006 Cesc is going; Cesc is staying; Arsenal wins nothing; qualify for CL
2007 Cesc is going; Cesc is staying; Arsenal wins nothing; qualify for CL
2008 Cesc is going; Cesc is staying; Arsenal wins nothing; qualify for CL
2009 Cesc is going; Cesc is staying; Arsenal wins nothing; qualify for CL
2010 Cesc is going; Cesc is staying; Arsenal wins nothing; qualify for CL
2011 Cesc is going; Cesc is staying; Arsenal wins nothing; qualify for CL.
Well @ least The Club is consistent I spose.
2012 Cesc is going; Cesc is Gone; Arsenal wins nothing; DONT Qualify for CL
Morning Sabeel!
Any idea what Bendtner did that had Chamukh header disallowed. They did not show replays.
hi bnsb
Even the replays showed that Bendy didnot do any shoving or pushing
That ref was seeing things which werent happening….
Oh to be a gooner!
shocking result yesterday, horrible atmosphere
OOH TO BE A GONER
Too late we are already!!
Wenger out George Graham in.
Bruce Rioch must be having a canary.
shocking result yesterday, horrible atmosphere
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Le Grave!
..Sabeel, thanks. Way too much of coincidence?
Hopefully Banega is not on Man Utd wishlist. This guy is almost as good as Cesc IMHO and may have even bigger potential.
http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=/&gl=US#/watch?v=g2FOiRFhVJU
What’s the point of suggesting player’s we all know he wont do fuck all about it!! he’s gonna keep playing his love children..sooo depressing…
2012 the world ends wihout arsenal winning.
Herbert Chapman must be angry up there, where he is.
Said it before and will say it one final time. This team has no future with Wenger in charge. I’m not sure if its a British record to keep a manager at a top club for 7 seasons without winning anything and showing 0 improvement.
If you want to show Arsenal your unhappiness, show it with your dough. Stop buying tickets and feeding them cash, then they will finally wake up because..
Arsenal is not a football club. It is a pretty successful business run by an excellent economics prof.
They sooner we get back to playing a 442. We have the players for it currently and of some players will mode out because of the change in formation ……tough luck .
Did the protest happen yesterday then
vela outstanding
hahahahaha the little prick cant even make it in the WBA team
hes shit like so many others at our club
Morning all!
I think it’s clear now that Arsenal need to get back to basics.
Basics of training and formation. Buy players for the right positions rather than trying to train them to fill new ones. Practice defending and attacking set pieces until we no longer have to think about where everyone is and what there jobs are. Do not persist in playing players with bad attitudes or poor performance.
It’s not rocket science, FFS!
Boy, its not been easy going through all the comments from the useful to the base and the bizarre. Its clear that the fan base is in disarray and the answer in these moments is a cool head.
What is clear though is that the refreeing in the EPL is a joke, yeah a joke! And it is not only the EPL, UEFA and most other leagues are guilty of stupid refereeing. But can we solve the refereeing problem? No of course not.
We have our own problems that we need to and ought to take care of. Is OGL the man to sort it out? I personally doubt it. To change a culture, you need to change the leadership, that is basic managerial science.
Unless Wenger is given a pat on the back and a new direction found, this team will go nowhere.
Change the Pilot, change the crew and watch the plane fly.
G star- your prediction transfer market this summer??