If we play the same type of team tonight, by that I mean no Denilson or no player that doesn’t chase every ball down like their lives depended on it, then we will breeze our way to the top of the league, don’t forget, this lot even lost to the chavs 6 nil!
We need to fight for every ball and not just in selected games when we are being written off, when Wenger had his smug ‘I told you so’ grin on after the chav game my blood boiled, if his team fought like this in every game we would be 12 points clear and coasting, and that has to be the coaches job, if this is the reason he won’t buy because they do this on the training ground then we need to see it every game, that’s why they get so well paid.
A performance like the chav one against Barcelona and we’ll go through, we have power and finishing in our ranks if they unleashed it, trouble is we so often go back to crab football and that will never win a title, if he’s learned anything in the last 6 trophy-less years it’s that, not to mention the crowd noise, that’s what happens boss, we sing when we’re happy, if this team did that every week we wouldn’t be so pissed off when you don’t spend money.
Tell Arshavin unless he starts putting in a shift then we’ll sell him, and I love Andre, but he needs to become a team player, if Niklas bendtner wants to get recognition then he needs to start doing what Baliotelli does when he gets his chance and start knocking them in.
This team can show us tonight if we have enough to save buying in the window, having Frimpong in the wings to toe Song up the arse is good business, buying a Mascerano would be unbelievable, but I can’t see it, the thing is who cares who’s cup tied, it’s only one comp and the chances are we won’t go all the way, play like they did on Tuesday and they will, good luck tonight boys, I am beginning to believe we could just pull this off, win tonight and we are level on points, win big and we are top, go Arsenal, go!
Have a great day Grovers, tonight we’ll see if Tuesday was a fluke, or if it was the beginning of the end of project youth!
i see rvp done his Houdini impression again and disappeared from our squad
VDS has been utter shit this season. No thanks
PTG, exactly right, I travel to games nowadays with no idea what will happen, when just 6 years ago you travelled knowing it would take something special to stop us winning!
Just cannae be bothered getting too uptight anymore. Some on here are a heart attack waiting to happen!!!!
Every team we’ve beaten in the CC has taken points off us in the league.
Line-up against Brum:
Szczesny
Sagna Djourou Kozzer Clichy
Cesc Song Wilshere
Theo RVP Nasri
If VDS is utter shit
Then Fabianski is UBER SHIT
OGL on tonight.
“I don’t think it is a shame, it is a good result. Wigan had chances as well.”
Cunt.
Albo
2008/9: Goals conceded – 37, Clean sheets – 12
Wenger; “we need to improve defensively”
2009/10: Goals conceded – 41 Clean sheets – 14
Wenger; “we need to improve defensively”
2010/11: Goals conceded – 44 Clean sheets – 8 (pro rata)
In this time he has refused to spend his budget every season, our bank balance has gone from £70m to £130m, and he has refused to bring anyone in to help with the defence.
So again….what is he doing to earn £6m per year? Cos in that time Fergie has won trophies, Ancelotti has won trophies, Mancini has taken city from 10th to joint top, Redknapp has taken spurs from nowhere to CL knockout stages.
PattheGooner – They’ve made mistakes under pressure, most of which they shouldn’t have had to face.
Probert was shit the whole game, before thet Rodallega barged into the back of Rosicky/ Squillaci ? and took the ball off him ran at Koscielny who made a great one on one tackle.
Probert let silly fouls go and then just blew up randomly, he’s just shit in general.
That’s something we have to deal with, but in general a massive part of our problem, is how quickly we allow teams to transition from defence to attack, Rodallega had already had a free run at the defence and then we allow N’Zogbia aswell who’s quicker and far more tricky.
You just can’t do that, Terry was made to look a complete mug as was Cole by us in a similar way, the blame has to be in part down to the midfield and the rest of the team.
For me Wilshere is going to be a massive player, every game he shows something different, we needed to make changes today, because we’ve got games coming thick and fast over the next few weeks, we should be disappointed with that result, but hopefully we can get the consistentcy we need by making sure the first teamers don’t get injured again.
If we get them all fit and playing I’ll be happy with the sacrifice, still think we did well in parts today.
Think that everyone is being a little harsh on Wenger tonight, I’ve obviously been fairly frustrated with him at times but today I think rotation was necessary. The fact of the matter is the team he put out did enough to get the 3 points, but we were cheated out of it by an N’Zogbia dive and a late handball. Vent your fury at Wigan, the c***s. Livid.
ptg, certainly not this season. He’s made more blunders than Fabianski. Don’t look at the name, because he has been very poor this season while Fabianski has been average.
http://thegoonblog.com/2010/12/arsenal-have-one-january-transfer-target/#comment-29665
if he is right we will buy Hazard in summer. Otherwise dont want to see Mertesacker at all he is struggeling that much in Bundesliga but so does complete Werder. Better than Squillaci and Kos tough.
Where are all the wenger apologists from Monday night stinking the place out by personally calling out the doomers now?
HMMMM.
Wenger will buy nobody in the window. It’s bollocks but that’s it. Vermaelen & Ramsey coming back just about keep me sane.
Wilshire will be massive
If you could bottle his desire and commitment and force feed it to the rest of them, we would be awesome.
I refuse to blame a ref though, we need to get past that and look at ourselves before we start blaming others.
I still think we will take 6 points from our next two games though, so all will be happy again come next Wednesday night.
That is of course if we play our strongest team in both. If I see Squillaci and Kosser on the same team sheet, or Denilson on any of them, I fear for us.
Likewise, I really hope Sceszney gets the nod now, Fabianski is not working. I know you blame Squillaci, but Fabianski did not have a clue what to do with himself and it is a recurring theme. Great shot stopper but cant command his area.
4 out of a possible 6 points we werent expected to beat Chelsea in all honesty. I m goin to keep faith in this team cause its gonna be 2011 and its time to get my party hat on. Lets not be so doomy and support the guys even though it felt like a loss we still have a point Happy New year gooners in a few days and lets beat the brummies. Fabianski should stop ball watching and get a rubix cube. Stay on your line. Squill well well he needs to go. 6 million I’d rather have Titus bramble. If we dont win anything i can see Arshavin going Chelsea next year.
Pat, ref shouldn’t be blamed for their pen, from initial viewing it looked a pen, on replay it looked a blatant dive. He should however be blamed for not giving a pen against them for the handball. If the spuds hadn’t been given that against us, I couldn’t see them getting back into the game
Come back Jacob please and justify tonights shower of shit!
It’s open mic night at speakers corner!
Squilacci is the problem. Koscielny is a very good defender and not many would make the interceptions he’s made today. You don’t notice it and when it happens in a different game, you laud the quality of the pass.
Koscielny is still the best 1v1 defender in the league imo. He just needs JD or TV next to him, not that clown Squilacci who spreads panic.
Note to Wenger:
F**k off, you’re an incompetent arsehole…
Best performance for a long time v Chelsea, then you shuffle it all around and cost us game.
A lot of the players haven’t been performing, so they can hardly be tired!
So please feel free to get in your car, take Denilson, Rosicky, Bendtner and Arshavin with you. Maybe even a couple of those clowns you call goalkeepers, and f**k off!
No way was the second goal Squilacci’s fault though! The ball was pretty much under the bar and the only thing he could have done was hook it with the side of his head, but he couldn’t do that with Caldwell in front of him.
The ONLY thing he could have done was to foul Caldwell a la John Terry and hope the ref doesn’t see. It was always going to be a goal otherwise, whether Caldwell or Squillacci got a head on it.
Lol koscielny is fucking awful.
Matt 8 changes! come on man…we all saw it coming…look at the earlier comments. I blame Wegner. Wigan got the breaks. we with a decent team could have dispatched them easily. If Djouru, nasri and Theo started, we would have won.
Another pathetic performance,please go wenger.
PattheGooner – It’s not about blaming the ref, you have to at least accept some things aren’t going to go your way, we needed to make some changes at some point, we could’ve done it today, or during the week, we’ve also got two Cup games coming up aswell.
We didn’t quite make it through this game with the 3 points, but if it means other players aren’t overstretched and can get fully fit for the rest of the season, I’ll take that.
You’re exaggerting with Fabianski, he’s been goof for us over the past few weeks, whether or not he can be exceptoinal is another matter. Either way we’ll have a stronger team hopefully out against Birmingham who have had rest.
Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger says his side need to communicate better to avoid conceding goals from set-pieces, after drawing against Wigan 2-2 at the DW Stadium.
That squarely puts the blame on Flappy, but does it cross his mind that we were completely overrun in midfield for large portions of the fackin game and some reinforcements would have seen the match out?
Myopic fool.
We desperately, desperately need to get rid of:
- Fabianski
- Almunia
- Denilson
- Diaby
- Rosicky
- RVP
- wenger
“I’m frustrated because it looks like nobody takes resposibility for our organisation on corners.”
You could knock me over with a feather. Is he serious?
Out:
Almunia
Denilson
Koscielny
Squillaci
Chamakh
Rosicky
Don’t even bother replacing them – we’ll be a better team for it.
zeus – he said that?
What’s his job? Isn’t he supposed to be head coach?
Koscielny the best 1 v 1 defender in the league?
Did you see his oh-so-slightly-homosexual dance to get out of N’Zogbia’s way, allow him to get through on goal, but just dangle his leg in the way just in case N’Zogbia preferred to dive instead of going 1 v 1 on the keeper?
Are you serious??? He’s an error-prone clown, the new Blunderos.
And there’s rotating, then there’s putting out a whole team of 2nd rate players. All that we’ve achieved now is the need to put out a full strength side against Birmingham, and potentially run players into the ground before the City game. So we haven’t gained anything.
We should have rested 2-3 players tonight, not 7-8. A team containing Eboue, Rosicky, Denilson and Chamakh is like starting with 7 men from the beginning.
no jimbo I have the feeling he is only responsible for the money!! Rice is the one who makes the selection, just kidding lol!!
Oh, and Squillaci tonight definitely got the wrong side of the man for the goal. Stupid mistake, just like Koscielny’s stupid mistake for the 1st, and his stupid mistake against Chelsea.
Koscielny makes so many errors it’s untrue. Useless signing.
No way rice would have sent that team out like that.
Well, Gambon, it totally depends on your perspective. You are clearly a ‘results’ based fan. You think football is about trophies and nothing else. Probably egged on by a media and a punditry that is obsessed with trophies and results.
There’s not much point in my listing Wenger’s achievements in this time, because you clearly know them, you just discard them as meaningless. Personally, I love Arsenal Football Club more than I love simply winning trophies, and as a result I see things like our unrivalled financial position, our constant involvement in the Champions League, our new stadium, our incredible set of English youngsters coming out of the academy as important long term achievements that Wenger has had a very important hand in. (And purely in terms of the financial rewards they have brought the club, I suppose these achievements are ‘worth’ £6 million each year).
You are happy to list achievements by people like Redknapp inherited a squad that absolutely should have been in the top 6 or 7 and I really don’t see his achievements as anything to write home about. As a man manager I suppose he has done well to get them playing the way they ought to have been in the first place, but other than that… Mancini has had unlimited riches at his disposal and the added bonus of no Champions League to worry about, and his team is still behind ours if we win our game in hand.
That said, I entirely agree with you that Wenger has failed to address our defensive weaknesses. I entirely agree with you that we MIGHT have won the league last season with a couple of top top quality centre backs. And I absolutely wish Wenger had pushed the boat out and paid whatever it took to get a world class centre back into the squad this summer.
But I do think think some people on here are so angry about the lack of trophies that they have lost all perspective when it comes to judging and weighing up Wenger’s obvious successes and talents, with the (equally obvious) negatives.
ptg @ 0:09 well said.
the line up tonight reeked of smugness,sending out every under achiever or imo overrated player we have (out of position for some no less)
Probability of losing a match are significantly greater when there is a lack of quality to win it then losing a match because of bad calls
as well the latter is enhanced enormously by the first part of the statement.
Not condoning poor refs by any means but really, shit or get off the pot,hoping some players will finally come good is getting beyond ridiculous.
In saying that,I still think the league is ours to lose but I ain’t saying it aloud so as not to jinx us…
albo it is since 6 years we didnt win anything it we were patient enough. See the reality. Wenger is mad!!!
How is the league ours to lose?
We’ve just proved, again, that there’s a huge number of shite players in our squad, and Wengker has a passion for incompetent froggie defenders.
koscielny and squillaci are bad signings. they look more like silvestre than like real defenders.
if buying squillaci makes some sense (smallish fee, experienced player) AW really messed up w/ koscielny.
koscielny plays exactly like what he is: an inexperienced player from league 2.
AW paid the same amount for Vermalaen but he was the captain of ajax w/ champions league and international experience.
koscielny has no real experience plus he doesnt have the physical attributes to make up for it: he is not strong enough or tall enough to dominate.
AW got mugged this time but the problem is that we are stuck with this players for years like we were w/ silvestre who wasn’t in any shape or form good enough for arsenal.
so we’ll see this two muggs for a long time
I’ve been supporting Arsenal for about 30 years, and I have to say, I don’t remember this mythical golden age when it was the taking part that counted, when trophies weren’t really important, and winning titles and accolades just wasn’t a big deal.
nonrelated – spot on.
All of our signings last summer were complete duds.
Can we not put the trophy argument aside for once and just acknowledge that for last 3 years management has identified targets for improvement….
At what point is criticism merited when management continually fails to meet their own targets?
How long?
But I’ll say again, while I always sink into a pretty grim depression the moment Arsenal drop points, if you look at the comments on this site you’d think we had been thrashed by Wigan, rather than got a draw away from home. Its like a form of collective insanity!
albo, maybe it’s just that, the more often it happens, the more frustrating it gets to watch the manager make the same bleeding obvious mistakes?
Our defense made mistakes and they will continue to make mistakes becuse they are below average players that Wenger gambled on. Wenger must surely now realise how stupid he was as if he did sign two good centre backs the league could be won easily. How many more times can he get away with such stupidy.
My best attempt at a Wengerism…Jimbo
Perhaps this sounds better,white liquid in a bottle….
nonrelated,,lets be honest,at least silvestre was a footballer at one time in his life,these two,i dont think so,shame on you Arsene Wenger.
We will continue to concede because Wenger is an awful defensive coach. He inherited the best back 4 in the game, then supplemented them with the best english centre back of the Premier League era (I think) – since then, it’s been downhill, non-stop, ever since.
Silvestre was ALWAYS terrible, even for Man U.
Albo…one would hope whilst fighting for a title that one would show up in spades against a team 3 points from the bottom.
Hardly a good result tonight and I am not a pessimist.
Why was Rosicky captain? He never shows up for us in games when needed and has been a disgrace ever since we signed him but Wenger rewards that by making him captain,what example does that set? I cant believe players like Rosicky can continue to be part of our team
jimbo,can you imagine these two clowns playing for Man U ?
Since I can’t remember you being about what did you think of the Chelsea game Jimbo ?!
another sad aspect is how much we spend to keep the starters of tonigh’s game.
w/ so much money spend on their salaries its no wonder why we can’t attract top players, we spend millions to keep denilson on the bench or diaby in nursery.
plus AW registered 60 players for this season. now he sells nordtveit for less than he bought him w/o making a single start for arsenal.
I always fail to understand how individuals who’ve been massively conned can somehow continue to defend this manager and his methods.
I can only liken it to Stockholm syndrome.
I was here Keyser – the morning after, made a post from my iPhone but had such a stinking hangover that I could barely finish it!
nonrelated – sell all of them, or at least terminate their contracts. THe only starter from tonight we’d miss is Sagna.
Jimbo says:
December 30, 2010 at 01:01
I’ve been supporting Arsenal for about 30 years, and I have to say, I don’t remember this mythical golden age when it was the taking part that counted, when trophies weren’t really important, and winning titles and accolades just wasn’t a big deal.
Really? Cos when I was growing up (about 30 years ago) it was almost a matter of pride that people supported some utterly shit division 2 team with no hope of silverware. It made you a ‘real’ football fan and the worst sort of insult you could get was that you were a glory hunter. Now it seems to be kind of the opposite – you’re not a ‘proper’ fan unless you are utterly suicidal when your team has not won all 4 major competitions and gone unbeaten for a season.
If trophies are all that matter, what is the point of supporting any club in the country apart from the small handful with a realistic chance of winning anything…
Koscielny wasn’t really 1 v 1 with NZogbia. Diaby got in the fucking way and then just moved. Thats a communication error and error from the ref for awarding the penalty.
Albo hopefully we never have to find that point out.
@jimbo sagna is a top defender and my criticism wasn’t towards him. but apart from him the rest of tonight’s team shouldn’t start for an arsenal who wants the title.
we have so many average players that are overpaid. we cant win trophies w/ them. And I’m not just saying it, Aw actually tried for the last 5 years to win trophies w/ them and he couldn’t.
so why does he continue to keep them?
Lurch – Who ? and what are your thoughts on the other half of the nutters on here ?!
Too many bad relationships last for the sake of the kids & sadly the kids usually grow up permanently affected psychologically….
The parrallels are remarkable.
The usual signpost is that when the sex becomes shit, it’s time to end the relationship – not to go and then get pregnant.
Well, albo, obviously your playground was a little different from mine. See, where I was growing up, and Everton and Liverpool were swapping titles through the 80′s, and you had clubs like Forest, Spurs and Villa challenging at the top, winning those trophies was pretty damn important for fans of those clubs. And you bet I was jealous as an Arsenal fan. Sure, where I was, we had a few Brentford fans, and quite a few Arsenal fans (even the odd Coventry fan), and you can bet your arse we were all a bit jealous of those wannabe scousers who were winning the league every season. Sure, we called them glory-hunters, but don’t delude yourself thinking I wouldn’t have loved to see us swap places with them.
Of course trophies matter – whether you’re making the same mistakes year after year that prevent you from ever winning an important one but finishing 10 points off the top, OR whether you’re in division 2 dreaming of getting in a richer owner and seeing your club promoted in a year or two.
@albo if you support arsenal than you want them to win titles. we are not everton or blackburn to be satisfied w/ the odd win over a top team and a decent position.
but AW went on redefining the meaning of ‘trophy’ for arsenal, so we should celebrate in an open bus a 4th place finish and a mega profit for the shareholders.
sad think is that so many of the arsenal fans believe AW w/ this nonsense.
Or, to put it another way, football is really no different to any other area of life. You compare yourself to your immediate peers, not people 10 rungs down the ladder from you. As a head of a global investment bank (I’m not, unfortunately!), I’m held accountable for the bad decisions and the fuck-ups I make, compared to other investment banks. It’s easy to measure – when I fuck up, they win the business, they take my money. The fact that I’m probably smarter than the head of the small merchant bank down the road, or indeed the owner of the cornershop where I buy my FT is irrelevant, as is the fact that 30 years ago, my bank was just a tiny boutique house – I’m judged against my peers as they are today, and against what my job is now.
Wengker is like Dick Fuld – he presided over massive success, but his massive fuck-ups are putting us at real risk NOW.
Keyser – if the vitriol is ridiculous and unsubstantiated I don’t engage with it, I have issues with value based judgements based on loyalty to personality over ability.
from some thing called joppas blog:
only half an hour until kick off, let’s check the line ups”. On firing up the BBC website I could not believe what I was looking at. Eight changes from the team the played so well against Chelsea. I called up my mate to ask if he had seen the Arsenal line up. He hadn’t, and when I read it out his response was “The prick, he is doing it again, trying to prove a point”
lol
Lurch Le Rouge – Everyone has their own level of understanding of these issues and would apply their own value to each comment they make in return.
How do you judge if someone’s been massively conned just by reading their posts on here ?! No-ones infallible, how do you know you’re not suffering from a complex of your own.
Jimbo – That’s basically bollocks, what massive fuck-ups and what risk are we under here ?!
We made 8 changes from a team that played and beat Chelsea CONVINCINGLY, because we had to play 48 hours later and we’ve got sdeveral games upcoming in a short period of time.
The games was close, we were unlucky at times and Wigan played well, we sit what 3rd in the league and are still in all 4 compeitions.
The usual signpost is that when the sex becomes shit, it’s time to end the relationship – not to go and then get pregnant.
nice analogy
the sex is definately shit. Chelsea was a one off it seems like a birthday shag in a nice hotel. I got all excited today for wigan but she put no effort in just like all the games before chelsea…
Great post Jimbo, and very true. As a team we should be compared with:
- teams that charge £100 per ticket (none in Europe)
- teams that have 11 internationals playing every game
- teams that have a wage bill > £100m
- teams that turnover > £220m
- teams that have shit loads of cash in the bank
- teams that are in the cl every year
So in other words 2 teams, Chelsea and utd. It’s pretty easy to see we haven’t competed with either for 7 years.
What massive fuck ups?
Let’s start with the defence. Do you really need it spelling out for you? Koscielny and Squillaci were both bought in the summer, and both make a ridiculous number of big errors.
As for today’s selection (though I never mentioned it specifically), we should have rested 2-3 players in each of the Brum & Wigan games – we’ve got too much dreck in this team, and it showed today. We need the better players to carry the weak ones (which isn’t altogether surprising), but the weak ones really can be poor at times, and they were today. Now we have to go all out against Brum, and then again against city – so I don’t see how we’ve really achieved anything with our selection today. Dropped points, and players risking burnout when the big games come.
……oh and what is funny is when people try to bracket us with teams like sunderland or bolton and think we should be happy with third place.
Do you think utd and chelsea fans say “oh well were 3rd, with a bit of luck we might do something”. Wenger has brainwashed many fans to accept being a runner up cos that’s all he’s ever been.
Honestly, you really do make some really strange arguments at times Keyser. Does your memory not stretch back longer than 1 week?
Things Wenger gets wrong regularly:
1 – The defence
2 – Squad management in the transfer window
3 – Selection, tactics & Substitutions in big games (and hats off for how he handled the Chelsea game – for the first time in literally years he got it absolutely right).
4 – Sending out mentally weak, soft teams
Were all suffering Keyser that’s for sure, but you’ve confused my intent if you think I’m righteous in my criticism.
My simple opinion Is that patterns are emerging and if those patterns become all too predictable – which they are – ignoring them is done at our peril.
gambon, I actually think that’s too far – I don’t think Wengker wants to be a runner up. I just think he’s got so entangled in his own delusion that he no longer has any idea how to be anything else. He used to be a brilliant man, but like most brilliant men, his time is well passed.
As a club, we’re just too stupid and slow to see it.
I don’t think its fair to blame the players.WTF was wenger thinking?Playing Bendtner on right wing?And why was denilson even on the pitch?What a useless spinless fuck he is.Couldn’t believe my eyes when Wenger took Wilshere off and kept denilson on the pitch.We deserve this to be fair.Yes the refereeing decisions went against us but it wouldn’t have mattered had Arsene played a decent first team or atleast made the right changes.What was he waiting for?Walcott who has barely played this season gets rested.Brilliant!!
gambon – It’s a good point, made with not nearly enough detail, just like your post.
Chelsea and United have been more successful.
The question should be why ? Have our wage bills been the same ? Where have we spent out money ?! Have we always had shedloads of money in the bank ? and so on.
Chamakh really is plumbing new depths at the moment as well.
Haha. Incesc.
Notice how they always moan louder in the hotel room but go all quiet again at home.
Also surely something has to be done about our set piece defending.Barcelona have tinier lineup than ours and yet they rarely concede from set pieces.Bring back KEOWN PLEEEEEASSEEEEEE!!!
It is (a concern) because nobody looks from the outside to take charge on the organisation side.”
This is what Wenger had to say about set piece defending.He really is fucking clueless
Keyser. I forgot to include that I consider myself to be one of those ‘conned’ individuals, so speaking from personal experience.
Well, he’s the idiot who thinks we have 11 captains, so I’m not surprised he thinks it’s somebody else’s job to tell his defenders where to stand.
Jimbo – I didn’t say we’ve achieved anything today, you’ve said massive fuckups, stop with the bullshit exaggerations.
You’ve said they both make a ridiculous amount of big errors and yet we are where exactly in the league ? There’s nothing strange about it, you’re painting a picture of doom, a completely lopsided one.
Back it up with something. Where’s the risk ? Will we fall out of the top four what ? Is that a massive problem ?!
keyser, if the dopey twats didnt make so many big errors we’d be first by a few points.
getting them in after losing gallas was a monumental fuckup
Lurch Le Rouge – See, I don’t think anyone’s neccesarily being conned, you’d have to be pretty naive about football or life in general to not know what you were getting yourself into.
Even then, if someones got a season ticket because they can afford it as a luxury and because of that they choose to post something on here, would you consider them as someone that’s being conned or would you accept they just don’t share the same emotional attachment.
Lifes far too complex to satisfy yourself with simple opinions, I can accept that people get ridiculously lucky to find themselves in positions of power and responsibility, I can also accept that some work their absolute bollocks off to get there.
If you see a specific pattern and you think Wenger can’t, would you rather try to find reason or just label him as someone inferior to yourself ? Who’s conning who in that situation ?!
Keyser – the ‘massive fuckups’ wasn’t just a reference to tonight, though you could apply it to the dreadful selection, and the crap players he bought in the summer who again contributed to costing us points today.
We are 3rd in the league, but the facts are also that we’re on course to lose more games, concede more goals, and finish on fewer points than last season. I don’t see the league being massively stronger than it was last year – we’ve dropped 6 points already to teams who were promoted, not to mention making a mess of the easiest Champions League group we’ve had in years.
To me, given how we’ve played, the anomaly is our league position.
Is falling out of the top 4 a problem? Well, financially, yes it is – but from a footballing perspective it only guarantees entry to a competition we have absolutely no chance of winning. IT’s a catch-22 really. Our idiot manager won’t spend the money we gain from being in the CL anyway, but won’t be sacked and replaced with a better manager (of which there are many) realistically until we finish outside the top 4, and any new manager is financially hamstrung.
Anyway, it’s a bit rich hearing you, of all people, demand that others back up their opinions – I hear less of that from you than I do from anyone else!
Generally, we’re actually worse than we were last year. Which is amazing, really, considering how bad we were at times then. How anyone can watch the same shit over and over again and call it progress is amazong.
incesc – As if Gallas didn’t make mistakes, and anyway there’s still Vermaelen aswell.
Putting it down to the defence on it’s own is cheap, we saw how hard the team as a whole worked against Chelsea, we haven’t had that much effort all year.
We had to make changes yesterday, maybe not soo many, maybe Wenger lost out on the gamble, but it’s one game away to Wigan out of 38 in the league and several others in the Cups.
We could’ve got a point here or there from them not making a mistake, or Arshavin could’ve scored when he was clean through.
The margins are fine, as fine as Koscileny making the challenge inside of outside of the box, or N’Zogbia getting booked or not for diving.
Right, bed for me now anyway. I’ll leave you lot to re-arrange the deckchairs on the Titanic.
I think you just reinforced my point Keyser, i’d rather find reason, presumably thats why we are here no?
we’ve all been looking for reason’s for it but how long do we continue to identify the patterns before a conclusion is made, or are the goal posts continually shifting?
Me label AW as an inferior to myself? Are you serious? probably not. No, he got there on merit, but I don’t see our squad run as a meritocracy any more so I question the need for change.
Change is usually a force for betterment, if it’s conducted with insight. I can’t subscribe to blind faith, it’s illogical.
Good point Jimbo
Being in the champs league is utterly pointless for us.
It used to be good to watch us on tv more often, but in the modern world of sopcast and streams that is no longer relevant. We will never win the competition under wenger and it just hampers our chances at the league.
Jimbo – No it’s not rich,I back it up you choose to ignore it for the most part. Why not let the digs slide for once and we might get somewhere.
Read through your posts, if we’re defensively weaker than last year, why not look at that, we’ve bought two players in, yet there was no way we were expecting them to play as many games as they have done.
Last year Gallas and Vermaelen played relatively consistenyly throughout the first half of the season, on top of that we had Fabregas fit and firing for the majority of the first 20 odd games, even Van Persie chimed in with several goals and assists.
So obviosuly him being out along with Van Persie has played a massive part, to say it’s an anomaly is cheap, Tottenham and Citeh were always going to be stronger. Chelsea looked like running away with the league in the first quarter, but have had injuries.
I’ve never said it’s progress, I just don’t see how you can’t notice the difference fgrom last year to this. What’s the point in just making massive exaggerations all the time, it leaves your posts null and pretty much void.
Keyser. Whilst growing up did you ever play chess with opponents vastly superior to you? How long did it take you to learn from your mistakes? 5 years, I don’t think so.
I’d hazard a guess that after playing for a couple of years you were able to beat the people who taught you to play in the first place.
It’s ok, it’s natural – it’s called progression. There’s no shame in taking no prisoners in the name of betterment.
Anyhow, bad day at the office. Catch you on the flipside.
To anyone who suggests the league has become infinitely tougher this season….if that’s the case doesn’t that make Owen Coyle & Steve Bruce exceptional managers?
So which one should we get in to replace wenger?
Holloway.
Take your pick gambon,that cunt needs to fuck off
Lurch Le Rouge – The goalposts are constantly changing, the patterns you see from one season to the next in general may be similar but never exact.
I’m not saying we should ignore those patterns or not draw a conclusion, but take them for what they are at that specific point, just because we conceded goals last season and the same this year, doesn’t mean the defence held the same accountability in both situations.
We’ve seen us beat Chelsea and then go on to draw with Wigan, if you take both those games and draw parallels, say you wanted us to achieve the same result in both situations you try to replicate the same environment as best as you can in each case.
The thing is the environment of football will never allow that, it changes, it moves on, it’s not like Chess, Chess is finite, there are only soo many solutions and paths you can follow and there are far fewer variables to control.
The difference between Chess and Life/ football is that you could make the right decision in at any juncture each time and still lose, in chess you won’t.
I don’t mind change, I welcome it, but not for the sake of it, though it is exciting in ways.
Fucking Holloway?
Coyle? Bruce?
Fuck me!
This place has gone mental
How could the league become ‘infinetly tougher’ ? Pointless question.
Coyle’s done quite well, Bruce not soo much.
Aa23
Bruce and Coyle managed to improve their teams, wenger didn’t….wenger never does.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xgc63d
a poster on ANR made a comment which I think sums it up nicely:
Wenger is currently 6 years into a 5 year project.
Keyser: you are correct when you say football is difficult to predict on a game by game basis – this is what makes it such a fascinating game as, on their day, any team can pretty much overturn another. This is why we look at statistics. And 1 point from 10 games against Chelski and Man U before the last one say it all. Our goals conceded figure says it all. Our shortage of clean sheets says it all. If I got 1 draw and 9 losses at chess I would have to surmise:
a) I wasn’t as good as my opponent
b) My tactics were wrong
c) My opponent was cheating
In football, b) and a) are kind of the same thing
Wenger is currently 6 years into a 5 year project. hahahahaha. That line cheered me right up.
I don’t feel shit anymore. I’ve become so accustomed to being let down after a high…..
excellent post Moray.
Gambon
you are mental.
prolific grove poster,but absolutely mental.
Keyser says:
December 30, 2010 at 03:03
Lurch Le Rouge – The goalposts are constantly changing, the patterns you see from one season to the next in general may be similar but never exact.
I’m not saying we should ignore those patterns or not draw a conclusion, but take them for what they are at that specific point, just because we conceded goals last season and the same this year, doesn’t mean the defence held the same accountability in both situations.
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Cant agree with that,
You cant pick and chose which “points” you want to take the defense into accountability for.
Thats quite narrow minded and unproductive.
You have to look at the bigger picture over-all instead of taking each game in isolation.
You will find that the results are pretty consistent over the past few seasons and we cannot just “take them for what they are”
And it is entirely possible that you can make the right decision in chess and not lose but it doesnt mean you would win either.
The Problem is NOT the late equaliser…we didnt turn up in second half to make it 3-1.
This project youth has resulted in some shit players who needs another 3-4 years to be players who play consistently at top..
and thats the story,as wenger wont buy in january
it’s like magic, everytime denilson play we’re weak, fucked up and drop points.
should have killed the game off by bringing nasri on the 60th
Gooby
its like playing with 10 men mate,when denilson is On FOR SURE
bruce or coyle replacing wenger would be suicide.
liverpool and the rooster are good examples
squilaci is really shit, why do we always buy players who are past their best pretending they bring experience to the side??????
Gooby. Cos they’re cheap, that’s why
what a fucking jock that was , how do u completely dismantle a wining team with in 48 hours simple 8 players 4 of them r crap , now its enough for me he has to go
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