Morning all! Yes the great news is we are still second, and is it because of the others playing badly or is it because we have improved, you bet it’s because we have improved, are you lot Arsenal fans? Then you had better believe it, we are there on merit and this is the best squad Arsene has ever had.
Well Arsene gave an interview on Al Jazeera the other day and it was an interesting one, I thought I would pick out the bits I felt needed addressing.
He still talks about this team being very young like it’s interesting, it’s only interesting if like the Manc team of the 90′s those youngsters go onto to dominate the EPL and Europe, sadly a lot of our youngsters are in their mid 20′s now and don’t look like world beaters, in short being young is not a badge of honour as they aren’t that young anymore, in fact they aren’t even the youngest team in the premiership, Sunderland are.
Then he was asked why he doesn’t sign big name stars anymore, he said this…
‘You look at the clubs who lose £100 or £150 million, and if we do that then we go bust. We pay what we can afford. I’m amazed that people are amazed that we do that’
Well Arsene, I’m amazed you said that, why does spending your (given) transfer budget on top players equate to £150million and going bust? Why not spend what we have and dominate world football instead, then we’d earn shed loads in prize money and broadcasting rights.
Also signing top players does amazing things for other players confidence, this is what Ian Wright did when we signed Bergkamp…
When he heard about the Dutchman’s £7.5million signing, Ian Wright was so excited he jumped into his car and drove straight to Highbury to meet him.
Wenger then said, If necessary I will buy in January. But this is the problem. People want me to develop young players like Jack Wilshere, Kieran Gibbs, Theo Walcott and also buy players.
Yes we do Arsene, but we want you to buy better centrebacks and get a DM and maybe a keeper, we’re ok at left back and midfield. You can’t keep using the killing Wilshere argument, as for Gibbs he’s already good enough, his problems are injuries.
He also said we got into a Champions league final with this young team, no we didn’t Arsene, we had Lehmann, Gilberto, Cole, Ljungberg, Pires, Campbell, Henry, Hleb, Reyes and we even had Dennis on the bench, hardly a young team.
Turin sources say Juve have made contact with us about taking Bendtner on-loan in January and Arsene is currently mulling over the proposal. Good move and it may help us long term, take Benzema from Madrid at the same time.
Barca are believed to be weighing up a £10 million move for Denilson as they believe Cesc is too expensive, Hmmm, bollocks, they spend £67mil on a Swede, and Denilson and Cesc don’t even share positions, I think Denilson’s agent is talking him up, me, I’d let him go on a free.
As for clubs going bust please! Top clubs don’t go bust, it really is stupidity to suggest they do.
Pompey and Leeds, fair enough. But you know what? They are still playing football.
Liverpool, massive debt, now owned by a rich American, looking at a new stadium and about to spend even more money on players.
Chelsea, 2 weeks from going tits up and along came Abromovich, you know the rest.
The mancs, £800mil in debt, can’t stop winning trophies and beating us, do they care? Along comes the Kingdom of Qatar or someone, away goes their debt and in comes another massive transfer fund.
Barca, £450mil in debt and can’t pay the wages, about to double bid for Torres and Fabregas just after buying David Villa, who can’t stop scoring.
Going bust, who’s going bust, what top club ever went bust and ceased to exist? These are all top, top brands, they’ll never go bust, why doesn’t anyone question him when he comes out with that tosh?
I don’t know why Arsenal don’t go out now and buy up some land to develop more flats, it’s a good time, property will not get cheaper and by the time whatever they build is finished, the recession will be over and the market will pick up. Screw football, what’s the point?
They have the cash because we the fans generate it, good move that, it will make more than we do as a football club and Arsene can keep us in Europe, at least that’s what he’s been doing, after all, trophies aren’t as important are they, who said that? He did.
Have a great day grovers, only a week to go, oh and an Arsenal fan sent this little animation over yesterday, it’s quite sweet, I particularly liked Petre Cech! I didn’t however like the chavs scoring! Enjoy.
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There are alot of people who still dont know who Wilshere is.
Has he played for the senior English team yet?
nice,
could do with some sunshine, The whole of england has shut down because we got a foot of snow on saturday.
So super Mario says he is better than Wazza and Fabregas and that he doesn’t know who Wilshere is? Is that where he stopped? Wow.
Did he forget to mention that he is also the reincarnation of Maradona,mixed with the abilities of Beckenbaur and Bergkamp.
Don’t you hate it when some mongs agree with the poster? LOL Like…”Top post Geoff” like an arse kisser..lol
Dale
Pretty weak ‘worst case scenario’ arguments there.
1- its pretty well proven that A LOT of players want to play for us. This particular point was beyond ridiculous.
2- All players have a price, the problem is wenger tries to offer peanuts
3- The question isn’t do we have money, but do we use it right. We have a 120m wage bill, you think we can’t afford a £4m salary? If we can’t then shouldn’t wenger take a pay cut from his 6m? We can’t compete on player wages but we’ll pay a manager who can’t win anything ridiculous wages?
4- stupid, stupid point. What if they never get injured and win the ballon d’or 8 times?
yeah incesc…man nice weather…i tried to look out for you guys, but couldn’t bother after we lost the manure game…didn’t need the extra stress, but i was pissed when they cancelled the game…like how bad was the snow? They needed the Cabo weather..lol
If we sign a world class player and he gets injured havent you heard that as soon as he recovers he’s like a new signing?
We have signed Robin Van Persie about 5 times now at the Arsenal.
Does the player want to play for you? Does the club want to sell?
Abit of a redundant question.
Typically if a player wants out the club is forced to sell.
Can we afford the player?
Havent you heard the good news?
We are supposed to have overtaken Chelsea.
http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/wenger-we-have-money-to-overtake-chelsea
Course he has david
Balotelli said those comments after receiving the Golden Boy award which Cesc won few years ago. Wilshere came 2nd so people do know of him, and if they don’t they will soon enough!
Yeah,DDG,just like ‘great posts Jacob’,like an arsekissing wanker
Wow Messi v Grease Ball at the Emirates
http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/emirates-stadium-to-host-argentina-v-portugal
Spot on Dale!
Oops does that make me an ass kisser?
Since you can get banned for unfounded financial arguments I’d still like someone to prove the common knowledge that the ’1st + net loss’ bonus is smaller than the ’4th + net profit’ bonus…
gambon..It’s not an argument, it’s my opinion, just like everyone’s like yours might seem a bit..well i’ll leave it at that…you missed the point…me, i am objective..i never said Wenger is justified, he doesn’t try hard enough to get the right players…BUT i never said fans like like you were justified either. Real MADRID, MAN City all spent big money and we now the rest..that being said, Manchester balanced that formular, albeit they over did it with some of the wages and signings….it isn’t easy to get the right balance, i feel we are in the best position, but that is where Wenger is naive…our current problem is all in tactics, buying that 25 million pounds player won’t solve it…that’s my point.
I don’t agree that everyone should sheepishly be harsh on Wenger, as much as I agree one should not be sheepishly an AKB…both sides annoy the realist….very nonsensical school of thoughts.
Anyone now where Fernando Gago is these days? He was supposed to be the shit and was bought for good money….maybe we could use him.
Wow jacob got banned. I think there needs to be a revision of the blog’s motto: Le-grove- where you can have an opinion not get one? I doubt that
Alex,
They will! I guess the point i was making is that Balloteli is no less a knob than Bendy.
Although the better than Fabregas thing is abit laughable.
sixx…i think they’ll let him back on, they have to…where guys like jaguar tosses name calling around like a monkeys poop in a zoo?
What’s the weather like for you guys across the water?
So, who is getting people banned here?
TIE,
Warm in some places, but freezing in others…depends on where.
I’m freezing my tits off TIE
But I think you European folks would call this weather summer?
San Diego?
Ah….San Diego super chargers…warm, and nice, very nice place to be right about now.
Usmanov thinks Wenger is a genius, i guess that makes him a cunt.
My son and his new American wife are flying over there to spend xmas with her folks,i am so jealous.
Wenger is a genius ofcourse.Which other human being can mug off the AKB retards season after season,promising them trophies.
Don’t feed the trolls.
TIE, yeah, nice! I would be jealous too…San Diego is really nice right about now.
A lot of people pay good money to watch Arsenal. You think they’re all AKB retards? They’re getting mugged off as much as anyone else.
Are the only same ones the ones that sit at home and slag the team off…
QoS..I sure shouldn’t have…lol
What’s an AKB Retard?
Bilbao holding Barca 0-0 at Nou Camp, few mins left
Just went up to the earlier comment. Geese. Why were everyone on Jacob’s neck, Gambon especially.
Can’t be bothered to engage in ANY debate about the Arsenal its too tiring and entirely with people that have neither the means or the will to effect change.
Some reporter needs to just grow a pair and go Tim Sebastian style on Wenger (with a little less crudeness) and ask him the tough questions and not just accept his spin.
0-0 FT
It can be done, though we don’t know how to play a tight defensive game and also Messi and Villa didn’t start tonight
Alex FT on the Barca front.
I am surprised that Arsenes comments didnt get more of a critique today.
The £150m loss comment was strange. To lose that sort of money in one season we’d need to spend in excess of a £1/4bn !!
Most of us feel we could afford to spend £35m on say two players and improve the squad.
QOS.very well said.
But what must Wenger be thinking? Thats what I find interesting. You wonder if he sees what we see. When Almunia and Fab2 were doing there clown impressions, watching us season after season being destroyed by most of the top clubs etc etc etc…..
WHAT MUST HE BE THINKING?
Whatever you think of the man, its clear that he is perceptive and intelligent SO WAHT MUST HE BE THINKING? I seriously don’t get it.
Arguments like ‘he is on a personal quest with a point to prove’ just doesn’t cut it for me.
Would wenger leave if usmanov took over & bought dein back?
Not saying i’d want him to leave if they took over as he & dein had a good relationship but i feel it’ll be a bit of a culture shook for him.
Did you guys just watch a crash course in containing barca? And this course, ser4ved by a lowly Spanish team- Athletic club? If they had 2 good players upfront they should have carried the day.
My only prayer is that JoMo and AW were watching and taking notes. Its not an impossible job after all guys. Let the wanker get some boys in jan and we are home and dry, but knowing the wanker he won’t!
INTER SACK BENITEZ.
Dein is about to be announced A’s the new FA chairman so he won’t be back, I don’t think.
Qos,
Yes your right but was he not doing a job for england while he was with us before?
Quite a hard working man dein is..
Ricky’s had enough
Working in the FA and Arsenal simultaneously would mount to conflict of interests,I think
Arsenal v Man City is on general sale!
Dein won’t come back, not while Fiszman is at The Grove.
Did Rafa really get sacked? Pity our club dont have the balls to sack an underperforming manager.
And that’s how you hold Barca, or even beat them on the counter. We’ll prbbly never even try such tactics.
And that game also showed why Messi is so important for them. He breaks the routine and provides “Entropy” to it.
TomTom, as Wenger would put it … define under performing
Poor old Rafa a few million in the bank for fucking up
Did tell on here yesterday that Rafa had been sacked
Wenger is an arrogant cunt,as long as the club gets good financial results everything is ok. He thinks he cant be questioned on anything and refuses to accept responsibillity for our losses in all the big games. He has lost his passion for the game and cant see that trophies are the most important thing in football imo
Q: Mr Wenger, do you think you can still win the PL leaking goals like you are?
Wenger: What do you mean by leaking?
Q: Well your team has shipped 26 goals in 26 games.
Wenger: What do you mean by shipped?
Q: Well, that is a goal a game that your team has conceded. Do you think that you have improved your defense from last season?
Wenger: I fell that this is the best squad that I have ever had.
Q: So you do think that you can win trophies this year?
Wenger: Well that depends on your definition of trophies.
Definition of a Trophy
A prize or memento, such as a cup or plaque, received as a symbol of victory, especially in sports
or
an object such as a silver or gold cup that is symbolic of victory in a contest
Not quite sure what it is in Wenger logic, but I guess it is different from the rest of the human race.
player’s prices are ridiculous this days, especially English “talents”
james fucking milner is £25m,
what kind of weird society is this???
there is no reason for jacob to be banned although a bit aggressive he isn’t close to the level of childish, immature, totally out of order, disrespectful and class less comments i read sometimes
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_6606533,00.html
Jags,
I think he was doing a good job last time mate.. Though FA chairman might be a different story all together.
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_6606777,00.html
claasy from jack, shows the cunt with the ridiculous hat how it’s done
I agree…Jacob should be un-banned. He didn’t threaten or swear at anyone…Just had a different opinion
gooby
its the world we live in and we deal with it or let spurs catch up even more…
they aren’t even close to the quality of our squad incesc.
lets hope our game at white shite lane and league position shows that at the end of the season hey gooby
that fucking loss was an accident, it was due to most of our player being tired of the pointless friendlies and with the pricks played fuck all midweek.
cesc, RvP, nasri, arsahavin, vermaelen sagna. spuds can only dream of this quality
So The Spanish Waiter has been sacked again? He did really fuck Liverpool up, all the fans moaning about the owners, he got money and spent it like a deuche bag, Isn’t that what some of our fans want, just buy up the new sensation or the perceived world class player, only to realise he is a dud
Yes,
Fernando Torres is a dud.
torres and alonso, terrific buys buy benitez
then he went mental and sold alonso and played torres for years on his own whilst he was injured.
David, David…need i reply to you? So is Cesc Fabregas a dud? On that not Veronin was a dud, buying Aquilani for 20m was a dud move, Degen? dud, want me to continue? I mean he spent too much on players that were not worth the price he made Liverpool pay..on that note, I’m out
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People seem to forget its the same players that came second in the league bar Xabi Alonso.
Dont try and act like Wenger hasnt had any dud moves.
Best buy for Benitez was Alonso and Fernando, others were waste of what he actually spent to get them, putting the club on it’s knees. That, is what some fans want for us, just buy em, they are world class.
He has, but it didn’t cost him 20 fucking million!
David, I think you’ll find Alonso was part of that runners up team..it was after he left, Liverpool became shit
So, I was reading through the comments suggestion, enjoying the back and forth between Jacob and a number of other members, until I was shocked and appalled to see that Jacob has been banned? Seriously? Jacob was actually adding something to the discussion, unlike a few people I will not name. What did you say that could’ve possibly been considered ban-worthy? In light of this, the blog’s motto is hilariously ironic.
Reyes cost us 17million.
Which player did Rafa sign that cost 20m was a dud?
Only Torres and Alonso?
You’re forgetting Pepe Reina, Mascherano, Luis Garcia, Fernando Morientes, Daniel Agger etc etc
If livepool went to shite its because Rafa is a shite manager, not necessarily because the players are duds.
hes becoming a martyr!
Geoff: Settle down boys, we don’t attack each other unless it’s Jacob.
shootsscores: lol jacob was a tosser.
Jaguar reloaded: What a fucking mug,this Jacob is.
gambon: The only fact you need to deal with is that you are an absolute cunt.
Master P: Jacob, that question shows tha you are nothing but a numpty and that you know literally nothing about the Dm position…absolutely nothing.
Jaguar reloaded: Fucking retard.
Master P: Pedro, Geoff, anyone, please ban this cock Jacob.
gambon: Fucking moron.
Arsene Nose Best: geoff just block jacob,the guys just as deluded as wengker,the senile….
Arsene Nose Best: there’s only been one bitch on here today in the shape of jacob
And yet Jacob is the one who gets banned.
Liverpool went to shit because rafa went to shit. He won the CL because being the underdog suits him. When he thought liverpool had made it after finishing 2nd thats when it went tits up. Alonso left, rafa thought he was good enough to win the league without him and having lucas there instead. He also splashed out 20m on mega flop Aquilani. He is shite at buying players. Alsonso, 25m Torres and however much Mascherano cost…the only good players he bought out of about 50?
Re the post, Cole and Sol werent in the CL run team. Just saying…
Nah Incesc, it was just disgraceful how he was treated.
Who the fuck is jacob?
Daniel
See Chozzers post at 19:18
He caused up a bit of a stir on himself imo
I saw it. Explain to me how that is even remotely comparable to what was said about him.
Dont agree with that Stu,
Alot of these so called duds are playing at Bareclona, Madrid, Juventus, Chelsea to name just a few.
Yeah not sure i agree with myself either David.
Rafa was just shit. The same thing always happens at liverpool, once someone goes off form they get sold. They are the opposite of us whereby players only get sold when they are on form and attracting attention.
Who are the duds at those clubs btw? I discounted Alonso and Mascherano. Im not sure you can count Benayoun as a success there, he was always a bit part player and Sissokho did fuck all at liverpool too…although i do like him.
Well that isnt how insults work Daniel,
If someone gives you an insult you reply back with something stronger than that.
You dont come back with something weak and act like nothing hapnd.
Yeah and those who insult for no reason deserve to be ganged up on. You dont pick a fight with a group when you’re on your own…unless you are looking for a beating.
David, what the fuck are you talking about? Jacob simply made a general statement that was not directed at anyone in particular. That was followed by a continuous stream of vapid abuse. At least Jacob was taking part in a discussion. Do you actually believe that he deserved to be banned? What the hell does Jaguar ever contribute? Why isn’t he banned? Is it simply because he toes the party line? That seems to be the obvious explanation.
Albeloa is at Madrid. Degen is at Stuttgart, Bellamy went to City,
Thats really all i remember.
Daniel
I admire your Voltron atrributes.
But you can clearly see that he was replying to a few posters on here.
It wasnt as if that was his first post.
That happns in every blog,
Especially on ACLF
Stu, yeah there certainly appears to be a bit of a sick gang mentality here. It’s pretty clear that none of you guys can actually justify the reaction to Jacob’s comments (because they’re unjustifiable), so you’re left with a feeble attempt at saving face. Pretty weak, boys.
Just the other day the likes of Keyser and Cesc my boy were having a go at me because my post “sounded angry”
Whatever the fuck that means.
David, I am not trying to have a go at you. It’s not even the insults, it’s the fact that he was banned. He contributes more than 95% of the people here. LG is the Fox News of Arsenal blogs so anyone arguing against the status quo can expect to be tarred and feathered, but the banning was cowardly.
Lol,
Daniel I fucking hate Fox News.
And I agree that he was treated unfairly which was why I apologized to him at 19:38 on behalf of the blog.
I think his getting banned had to do with a bit of him causing the controversy and stirring up the pot.
Alot of grovers werent happy with his post.
Im just saying,
Its easier to ban one than to ban 20 posters.
But I cannot speak for either Geoff nor Pedro.
My point is that Jacob isnt at all innocent in the matter.
Unfairly treated? maybe.
Innocent? not at all.
I dont know what happened so cant really comment but i’ll assume Jacob was causing a mass argument, rather than a debate. Debates are certainly allowed, its when it turns to insults that the person who started it all is usually banned.
Majority always wins anyway. Whether Jacob was in the right or wrong he caused it all (im assuming) so he was punished.
Stu where have you been?
Have you been bloggin’ somewhere else?
You know i find it all rather depressing , that Arsenal fans cannot simply disagree with each other, without becoming abusive.
By starting it you can mean only that he disgreed with today’s post and included a mildy inflammatory remark. A couple of people were attempting to respond intelligently to his post and it appeared that he was doing his best to respond to them appropriately. While this was occurring a few people were throwing childish insults at him without even attempting to argue his points.
Okay, so what are we allowed to debate here? By the sound of it, we can debate minor points of the daily posts but we can’t actually debate the main, generally anti-Wenger, perspective that Geoff and Pedro persist with. That’s fine, but then shouldn’t the motto be changed? That sounds like the definition of “getting an opinion,” wouldn’t you say?
Again, how has Jaguar not been banned? He adds absolutely nothing to the conversation, he constantly insults other members, and he is constantly complained about by other members.
Nah David, just working. Hasnt left much time for blogging.
I’ll agree with you there Daniel. I’ve called for Jag to be kicked off here a number of times, as have a lot of people. I guess since he doesnt actually have a go at the posters then Geodro leave him be….even if he is an annoying cunt most of the time.
Daniel I cant agree that jacob’s retaliation was mildly inflammatory, his responses were constantly goading the reader with remarks such as ‘unintelligent’ and “dimwitt”
It spurned a natural over-reaction that happns on just about any blog.
Alot of people are a victim to childish posters that constantly slagg someone off for no reason.
It doesnt make things right but its a common thing. The only thing i can say was different to jacob was that he didnt actually use curse words in his posts but the general insults were the same if not similar.
As i said people on the blog abuse childishly and its always frowned upon but just because jacob is the lesser of two evils doesnt make the whole blog shite.
Jaguar has been banned many times Daniel.
Jacob has only been banned once.
See the difference?
I say everyone should be allowed to say whatever they want, including Jaguar. There’s no reason why a sensible person can’t just ignore it if it bothers them.
Then again i appreciate that it’s not my blog, and i also agree with the freedom for the authors to ban anyone they so choose
Ive been banned a few times myself Daniel.
Stu its supposed to be the holidays, dont tell me your into customer service and your off slaving yoursefl while the rest of the world has fun.
Happy Holidays
David, so you’re suggesting that this is only a temporary ban?
He’ll be back tommorow if he so choses Daniel.
Im sure of it.
The banning thing is usually just to quench wild fires.
If that makes sense.
But yes its temporary.
If everyone who got banned didnt come back i doubt there would be many posters on here.
If anything i think jacob will be more fired up next time.
“Yes the great news is we are still second, and is it because of the others playing badly or is it because we have improved, you bet it’s because we have improved, are you lot Arsenal fans?”
Nope, that’s getting 2nd by default. Winning by default hardly a great news btw.
With Clichy, Denilson the weak spot on the left still not solved now that’s losing by default for Arsenal. Losing even before kick off.
Even if LeGrove for the next 5 days propping Arsene losing charms, project youth failed etc nothing will change the weak spot.
That’s why you’re not a football manager. If Arsene spent carelessly and we went Leeds way, would you be happy? Besides, if according to you we have the money to spend on top players and yet we don’t, just wait for the next manager, he will use all that money which is being saved to buy the players you want. Then we can win 5 trophies every season!
JohnW
Yes mate,we will go Leeds way if we spend 20m on players we desperately need.And we are always in danger of dropping out of the top 4,with the French parasite in charge.It means,no top player would want to come to us,and Wenger will fuck off blaming the fans.
JohnW
If we spend 30million on 2 to 3 players,we wont be going in Leeds way!
When will “ALL” arsene supporters realise that..
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/arsenal/8217908/Blackburn-Rovers-defender-Phil-Jones-could-miss-out-on-10m-move-to-Arsenal-due-to-injury.html?
Ozrus shut the fuck up, if you want to go the same way keep it up, know when to move on you’re getting boring.
Sabeel Leeds went bust because they bought 9 shit players and paid silly money for them. Quite right!
Geoff
Yesterday comment section was more about Jacob than arsenal FC
NEW POST!
Geoff Yesterday comment section was more about Jacob than arsenal FC