Arsenal taking over England | The truth about Cesc | Don’t listen JACK!

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I’ve gotta say that I’m not a massive fan of our lack of 3 o’clock kick offs during the season. I appreciate Sky and the other digital channels like to see us on the box, but it’s half a ball ache to get to game that has an odd kick off time. What happened to a good old-fashioned 1500 kick off?

Fabio Capello announced a very strange England squad yesterday. It was the first name call in a while that actually included more Arsenal players than our West London rivals. That was a big plus point! It also contained ex-Arsenal brat, Jay Bothroyd and West Ham super keeper Rob Green.

I listened to Fabio Capello talk about the poor off field behaviour of Andy Carroll. His suggestion? That the young player comes into the England fold and learns off the senior players! Yep, back of a cab Crouch, anyone’s wife Terry, hairdresser shagger Cole, group sex video supremo Rio Ferdinand… all superb role models for the players of tomorrow!

My advice Jack? Don’t pay any attention to their advice, do your own thing!

I saw half a Ballague story on his site that linked into a pay wall with the times. He’s claiming to have the inside line on the Cesc story and what was said didn’t really add up with what I heard and hopefully you now know we hear some good stuff.

  1. Barca launched a campaign to unsettle Cesc
  2. Cesc spoke to Wenger in that meeting and said he’d like to go.
  3. Barca came in with a pathetic offer.
  4. Wenger told Barca they wouldn’t get him under any circumstances, he wouldn’t even come to the table to negotiate.
  5. Cesc came back and Wenger told him that Barca had made a mockery of him by signing a 29 year old striker ahead of him and completely undervaluing him.
  6. End of story, Cesc is still here and we all know the truth… Barca completely disrespected Cesc by undervaluing his talent and Arsenal’s resolve to keep him.
  7. Oh, did I mention they are 470million euro’s in debt? Doubtful they’ll be able to afford him this summer as well.

Yesterdays games threw up a great result in the United-Villa game. Somehow United managed to escape with a draw despite Villa hammering them for large parts of the game. Liverpool’s resurgence ended with a diabolical 2-0 loss against Stoke!

Oh, I forgot to mention that Manchester City could only manage a draw again! Ooops!

That means 2nd place is up for grabs again, which is pretty exciting!

Fabianski

Sagna Squillaci JD Clichy

Wilshere Song Cesc

Nasri Chamakh Arshavin

That’s how I see the team lining up today. Hopefully we can control the game possession wise and avoid any shaky backline shenanigans. We’ve got to impose out game on Everton and take control earlier. We’ve got to be ruthless in front of goal and head into the international mini break on a high note. I don’t think Everton have enough to trouble us, but they’ll no doubt be hustling the keeper all day and with our defensive record, it wouldn’t surprise me if we conceded!

Not long to go now, come on you GOONERS!

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885 Responses to “Arsenal taking over England | The truth about Cesc | Don’t listen JACK!”

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  1. A

    take off who though Lurch?

    Nasri was superb, Cesc could always create something out of nothing, needed Chamakh on for defending set pieces and holding the ball up, and obviously Song nor Denilson could’ve gone off when we’re holding onto the lead

  2. Rohan

    Cesc should have been replaced imo. I agree with A. Taking off Song, arguably our best defensive player would’ve been risky imo.
    Too much of a gamble.

  3. David

    cesc rule says:
    November 14, 2010 at 19:38
    i like the djourou n squalacci collab…agree on me anyone??

    ——————–

    SFO (spot fuking on)

  4. yangkamp10

    Agree with Lurch on bringing on Theo – and Rohan about sacrificing Cesc. If anything it was our capitan who was one tackle/loose pass from bringing the house down. But dont get me wrong. that is a fantastic result. Not only 3 points at a very tough ground but controlled the game for the most part against a very good side. technical and physical in equal parts

  5. Lurch LeRouge

    I’ll give you JD looked improved today David. But it wasn’t a clean sheet was it? So that throws the stats comparison well out the window.

  6. yangkamp10

    DJ and Squilachi doing OK. But it’s not something i’d like to see long term. I was very critical of DJ a few fews back but he has settled down and looking like a good deputy for…erm, I dont even know any more.

  7. A

    He is fit in terms of not injured Lurch, but not 100% match fit etc, same as VP, and Bendtner, although he apparently had a groin injury today as well. Will take all three of them time to get firing again, doesn’t mean that they can’t make an impact at the moment but just won’t be as good as they are when absolutely fully fit

    Don’t agree with that RE Song, although he was sloppy on the ball he made a couple of absolutely essential last ditch tackles/blocks/covered runs etc. Couldn’t have sacrificed him….

    Looking at our fixtures we’ve had a ridiculously tough schedule away from home, and somehow have the best away record in the league! If only we’d replicated last season’s home form we’d be walking the league….

  8. Lurch LeRouge

    If wenger was prepared to make subs like today at home I recon our results would look different.

    Fuck me Cech had some nice saves today.

  9. Stu

    Great goal by Onouha. When i read that he had scored i just assumed it would be from a corner or free kick or something, never one like that!

  10. Lurch LeRouge

    Part of me thinks he won’t do early subs at home for the benefit of his players psychology.

    Haha. Cashey cunt.

  11. A

    Not sure our defeats at home have anything to do with subs Lurch.

    Last season our home form was simply incredible, except against the big teams, we despatched every small team with ease, we just need to remember what we were doing right before….

  12. Stu

    Nope Yangkamp, its just JD.

    DJ makes no sense unless he is a part time DJ in clubs…which would have nothing to do with football so JD is still the only acceptable one.

  13. choy

    I think RVP is the striker we need at home.

    Away from home Chamakh is excellent, but we need that attacking intent at home which RVP excels at!

  14. Lurch LeRouge

    Hmmm. I can’t correct you but I remember against Newcastle we were all calling for something to change at 65min. We weren’t fit for purpose in the midfield, an early sub could have changed that.

  15. A

    Cech made done amazing save, and the one with his feet from richardson too, although the one from gyan was pretty poor – if he’d dealt with that as he should’ve then the first goal wouldn’t have happened, wouldn’t see fabianski make that sort of error….

  16. A

    I’d say at home it’s had nothing to do with individual personnel though Lurch, we’ve just not clicked as a unit most of the time at the emirates, which is a bit strange when you look at the strength of the sides we’ve put out, strength in depth, and the contrast to last season

  17. choy

    Chavs were all over the place today weren’t they!

    Now they know how it feels like playing with half of the team missing!

  18. yangkamp10

    Ok, if it makes you happy Stu. But isnt DJ just an ironic abbrivation on djourou? like “Fab” is for Fabregas???
    Or have I missed some crucial rule on name abbrivations…:-)

  19. A

    I wouldn’t be totally against that Lurch, rotating them from time to time, means we could have Arshavin and Theo ahead of them

  20. David

    Lurch,

    Not sure what JD had to do with not keeping a clean sheet. It was a tough opponent away from home and we won.

    But i think we will remember the partnership and how well those two did.

    Although for the life of me A,

    I cant figure out how you can give Squidy and JD the same ratings.

    JD has outshone him when theyve played together imho.

  21. Stu

    Fucking hell! Chamakh is so shit with his feet. He would be better off chipping the ball up for himself to head every time. More likely to score that way anyway.

  22. David

    Great goal by Sagna,

    I definitely had to blink twice on that one.

    We could use some more goals/assists from our fullbacks

    And i think its time we gave our boy Gibbs a chance now.

  23. Jimbo

    Lol – you lot really are sensitive about ickle Marouane Chamakh, aren’t you!

    He’s turd – we slate players like Bendtner and Adebayor, but because Chamakh’s a ‘new signing’ he gets far, far more credit than he deserves.

  24. A

    It depends David, JD is the more flashy defender, whose more noticable, but that’s because he’s the man given the responsibility of making the first challenge. He dives in all over the place, whereas Squillaci uses his experience and intelligence to just read the game and clean up behind him. There was one moment in the first half where JD had a bit of a shocker, went for a ball and missed it, and if Squillaci hadn’t gotten a foot in to cover him then Cahill would’ve been clean through.

    Very happy with JD as a 4th choice centre back at the moment though, and in general with our 3rd and 4th choice central defenders doing a very decent job

  25. Stu

    Yeah Yangkamp, Fab is a shortened version of Fabregas but it doesnt work with Djourou.

    Saying Fab is fine but if you say Dj people will think you’re a little retarded and cant speak properly.

  26. Lurch LeRouge

    David.
    Don’t really want to get into kozzer v JD again but your crutch the other night was that JD must be better because he’s got more clean sheets.

    Well kozzer equally hadn’t been responsible for his dirty sheets when they were Clichy and Flappy howlers.

  27. Jimbo

    Djourou’s in superb form.

    Maybe a ‘flashy’ defender as A puts it, but he’s made fewer clangers than Koscielny so far. He & Squillaci are the partnership for me, until Tommy boy comes back.

  28. David

    JD made one mistake the same mistake that Koscienly makes quit often and Fabianski made the same mistake yet you give him a 9!

    I agree Squidy has been excellent and his experience shines through.

    He does go behind Kozzy if he misses the ball as well so I think he knows he’s playing with a few inexperienced defenders but as far as JD goes the tackling and strength were superb and once again as i said last night he was absolutely a beast in the air.

    Squidy was very luck to still be on the pitch and not shown a red.

  29. choy

    If you guys don’t like Chamakh.. keep it to yourselves.

    We’ve debated it over and over again and majority of the fans like what he brings to the team!

  30. David

    Choy i love Chamakh but that was a disgusting miss.

    Not even Bendy wouldve missed that one,

    Well maybe because those are the only types of goals he scores.

  31. A

    I didn’t see Fabianski as making a mistake today David, the one at the back post wasn’t a mistake imo, and he made a couple of quality saves, the one from Beckford whilst backpeddling was absolutely superb.

    Kept a clean sheet against Wolves but that was more down to Fabianski than anyone else as well!

    JD was good today, and has improved by leaps and bounds since the start of the season, but lets not get carried away just yet.

    Still our 4th choice centre back imo, first choice pairing

    Koscielny Vermy

    then Squillaci first reserve, JD second.

  32. Keyser

    Djourou did have a good game, but then Fabianski had a better one, today and in mid-week, you can’t deny that, he’s the last line of defence and while Squillaci andf Djourou played well, as a team we still gave up plenty of chances.

    Sagna would run him close for man of the match.

  33. Keyser

    I don’t think we’ll even know who’ll be first choice when everyones fit, Djourou’s played well with both Squillaci and Koscielny and you’ve got a big man/ skinny starved man combination that goes well together.

  34. Rohan

    Wenger will have a selection headache in the next game itself you know. I suspect he’ll go with Koscielny and JD against the Spuds.

    Not sure if I agree with that.

  35. Rohan

    Thing is our red cards haven’t been for reckless tackles apart from the Wilshere one. They’ve all been harsh decisions made on professional fouls.
    The Fair Play League fails to take that into account.

  36. David

    Lmao

    Are you just throwing out Random games Lurch?

    Did we keep a clean sheet against Newcastle in the League?

    Did Kozzer play?

    Did we keep a clean sheet against Newcastle in the Carling Cup?

    Did JD play?

    Okay. Youre done now.

  37. Keyser

    This is Andy Hunter from the Guardian.

    “The Premier League’s finest match official, allegedly, left the field to a barrage of abuse from the home crowd at half-time and that was before he rejected two opportunities to show red to an Arsenal player.

    Sébastien Squillaci was first to test Webb’s leniency when, as the last defender, he tripped Saha as the Everton striker broke through on goal. The referee had seen Saha handle, however, and therefore showed only yellow to Squillaci and denied Seamus Coleman the advantage by blowing up as the young Irishman gathered the loose ball and ran through at Fabianski.

    Seconds later Cesc Fábregas committed the kind of foul that understandably sends Wenger apoplectic when he caught Sylvian Distin after the defender had cleared. The Arsenal captain collapsed as though he were the victim. Webb, who may not have had a clear view of the incident, bought it and another yellow appeared.”

    I’m soo glad I get to watch the games now, as opposed to reading the newspaper reports afterwards when I was a kid.

  38. A

    Huh David?!

    Koscielny has played in 1 clean sheet in the league, 1 in the league cup, and one in the champs league

    JD has played in 2 clean sheets in the league, and one in the league cup.

    Don’t get how anyone could claim either is better than the other on those grounds, as if that’s how one judges individual defenders anyways, it’s just ridiculous

  39. Rohan

    Who’s up for guessing who’s going to be Arsenal’s player of the season?

    I’m going with Samir Nasri followed by a certain Cesc Fabregas.

  40. Keyser

    Rohan – Don’t wind him up, heh.

    It’s weird, I miss the days when I was naive and didn’t think people ad ulterior motives, maybe the writer has to submit the article before he gets a chance to see the replays of tackles like Fabregas’s, bit of a wild guess though there.

  41. A

    Rohan I’m in agreement about Nasri, although not sure about Cesc in there as back up, could be a few contenders if people stay fit

  42. Lurch LeRouge

    That’s a tough one Rohan. You can’t discount MC29 and TW14 with their current tallies though…but yeah I’d favour the nas man. His new svelt figure deserves a medal.

    I would laugh If MC29 won it. I think jag would have to have his name forcibly changed!

  43. Keyser

    I’m happy being surprised by players, they all seem to be chipping in this year.

    Nasri’s turn of pace was something that definetly surprised, I would have bet on him finishing though, he needs to go ask Vela about his chipping technique.

  44. A

    No Keyser they’re just idiots, and don’t analyse things deeply enough, as well as letting their prejudices come into it, and playing up to ridiculous stereotypes

  45. Keyser

    A – I didn’t check the time it was posted, but if you’re at the game and watching from the sidelines I suppose you could have been mislead about the Fabregas challenge, hearing the crowd and so on.

    Great job to have though basically getting to travel around to games, writing about them.

  46. Lurch LeRouge

    Keyser. A writer assigned the editorial by his/her director would surely TiVo the game before writing no? It’s not like they have to write more than 5 articles a day.

    Todays Readers want bias, we want our editorial loaded a la Piers Morgan.

  47. Jimbo

    Squillaci & Vermaelen looks like the most natural partnership to me, with Thomas attacking the ball and Squillaci holding back and adding a bit of maturity.

    Easily and obviously our best pairing. At the start of the season, Djourou would have scared the shit out of me, but he’s come along nicely, and looks a lot more assured than Koscielny. Johann for # 3, and whenever he’s not suspended Koscielny at #4.

  48. Keyser

    Lurch LeRouge – I think he wrote it for the online site and it says he was at Goodison, so he probably has to be email it in straight after the game or something.

    Have they introduced bias into their reports ? I just find it weird how readily I accepted the match reports years ago because you expect them to be impartial and factual in their representations.

    Watching it from hom would still be pretty good, but traveling around the country to other teams stadiums watching football for a living, pretty decent job and it that’s the sort of report he writes, part of me thinks I could do it with ease.

  49. Rohan

    I have to say though that Cesc and Arshavin seem to be peaking at the right time. :D As I said earlier, we need 2 of Cesc, Nasri, Arshavin and RvP on top of their game at all times.

  50. Keyser

    Jimbo – We’ve seen nothing of the partnership, why obviously ?!

    They’d be a pretty small partnership, though they’re both very eager when it comes to the physical challenge and anticipate well.

  51. Lurch LeRouge

    True that Keyser. I only know one journo, she’s pretty good, writes a lot – makes a bit of money but it ain’t as much as you might expect.

    If we can peak over the next 6 weeks that’s my Christmas gift sorted!

    Yeah HB we got seriously lucky. We could have lost 4-2 today.

  52. Jimbo

    Keyser – it seems obvious to me, in that they possess the most complimentary skill-sets, matched with the highest level of natural ability.

    Vermaelen and Koscielny both are a bit ‘adventurous’, as it were, and don’t really seem like a particularly sensible partnership to me, not to mention a real lack of experience between them. Djourou has massively impressed me in the last couple of games though…

  53. Keyser

    I suppose in theory, I think we could see them interchange for different games and scenarios. Squillaci/ Vermalen may change for the likes of Stoke, though they both look like Wenger’s been starving them and they’re a bit rabid.

  54. Arsenelovesme

    Nasri was magnificent today. Just back from injury he really worked harsand produced moments of brilliance.

    On the Chamack debate, after seeing ade-pay-whore wear the red and white of Arsenal withbhis continuous offsides, lazy runs and all round aggrogant attitude. Chamack has been heavens sent, also unlike others he can be relied upon to stay fit!!

  55. ZARgooner

    Jimbo give the Chamakh thing a rest. We understand your dislike and im sure there are some that might agree with you but when 9 in 10 are happy with Chamakhs performance that must surely say something to you… pipe down son

  56. dennisdamenace

    I’d take Chamacktheknife over that gobshite of a lumbering bullock Bentner any day…….fucker needs to get his head down and let his football do the talking, not his over inflated, based on nothing ego……..twat!

  57. Geoff

    Morning all, beat the spuds at home and we are top of the league, say we are top of the league!

    Unless Bale gets injured for Wales we’ll stuff them for sure.

    And we are awesome at fortress the grove!

  58. Jaguar reloaded

    Bothroyd was quality and English.What else did you expect from Arsene,Geoff.He would have killed some of those shit French players in the team.

  59. Sam

    We are in a very good position in the league. Superb away form from Arsenal.

    Cant help thinking if only we had won one of the 2 games at home vs WBA or the toon ! Hmmm …

  60. Jaguar reloaded

    4 points would be alright,I think,which includes points dropped at the Villa Park.A loss against the Spuds would be highly demoralising that we might go on to lose against the Villans as well.

  61. Sam

    this van der vaart seems to be making himself a specialist in handballing inside the opponents box. should be careful of him

  62. Geoff

    So Bothroyd, although talented has only really made it at 28, which is what I’ve said many times, youth rarely works, they have to develop physically before they really come good, 28 maybe a little late, but 19 is rarely the age, even if they are good, they are plagued with injuries which such young under developed body’s.

  63. bnsb

    Jag, May be just may be this time we have the capability to bag all 6. Touch wood barring injuries in International break.

  64. Geoff

    He’s 19 but I’m not sure he’s anything other than tall. He does beat women up and accidentally glass people so he’s a cunt and I wouldn’t want him.

    Messi, Wilshere and Cesc are exceptions, but look at Theo, Bendtner, RVP and Gibbs, all young when they made their starts.

  65. Sam

    And did you guys think taking Chamakh off for eboue was a strange decision , given chamakh was very important in defending set pieces and we were coming under more and more pressure from them.

  66. Geoff

    Sam I thought it was a dumb decision, he did that once with Bergkamp against the mancs, we were 1 up and lost 2-1.

    It’s like a boxer who put his gloves up when he’s winning, it just invites the oppo to hit you, the best form of defence is to attack, we were on top until he made that substitution, I think it’s because he loves to play Eboue, Denilson and Song in the same team, had Diaby been around he would have put him on as well!

  67. Gooby

    Geoff van persie didn’t play a lot in his early days for us. he is a crock by nature.

    And the body stops to “develop” at 20.

  68. ZARgooner

    Agree that substitution eboue for numchucks was a little stoopid BUT was nice to see the boss being proactive in his substitutions when subbing denilson on for Jack…. better than the standard 67 minute substitutions

  69. Sam

    Denilson was very good yesterday.

    I thought Song was doing a very good job blocking their attempts in our box multiple times in the 2nd half.

  70. Gooby

    nah Geoff

    trust me, i know something about it, the human body stops to develop at 20, after that it starts ageing until death.

  71. Geoff

    I think Denilson should get the DM spot, he’s better than Song, though I wished Wenger would make those half time subs more often, when we need them, not when his silly anal rules dictate on 67 minutes.

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