So in this dire down time of the English game we may have a new star, Benik Afobe who was prolific for the academy team has scored a hatrick against european giants Cyprus, it doesn’t matter who the opposition is, it’s international and they all count, well done that man.
Maybe we should start giving some of our kids some playing time, especially if they know where the goal is, he was in good company, the Ipswich boy Wickham was on show, but it was our boy who got the hatrick.
I have always believed that if you’re good enough, you are ready, and if you aren’t, no amount of playing time will change that, sure we have had players over the years that have improved with game time, Parlour and Flamini are testament to that, but if we have kids like Wilshere and Ramsey that click from the off, I believe we should blood them, JET is another that may benefit.
I have only seen Afobe once or twice, but his record speaks for itself, I remember when we had two in the reserves under George Graham, Kevin Campbell and Andy Cole, George decided to go with Campbell, I understand there were issues with Cole so we shipped him out to Bristol City, but I also remember when I first saw him in the Charity Shield and he almost broke Schmeichel’s crossbar.
Would it hurt against teams that aren’t top 4? I would give it a go. In another month we’ll have Robin, Nikki B, Ramsey, Cesc and Theo back in contention, I would use this time to give the Afobe’s a chance, at least in between Robin, Nikki and Theo’s next bout of injuries anyway.
I also think if we don’t try out Chezzer or Mannone before January then we should stick an early enquiry in for Reina, he is what we need, young enough and it would please Cesc, Liverpool look like they are going under and if they lose 9 points then Reina won’t want to stay, they will also have to let him go as they will be run by administrators, and although it may not be a fire-sale, there aren’t too many teams out there that will be able to pay them what they would find acceptable.
With Sagna out, I’m thinking shove Eboue in there, he’s better in my book anyway. So if we get lucky with injuries and we make some cute signings, could this be our January team?
Reina
Sagna Koscielny Veramelen Gibbs
Wilshere
Ramsey Cesc Nasri
Robin Theo
With a bench of Arshavin, Chamakh, Bendtner, Diaby, Squillaci, Djourou, Clichy, Rosicky, Afobe, JET, Vela, Denilson, Song and Chezzer
Yes I know I probably have too many subs, but at least we’ll have a bunch to choose from. Now I think that mob would send a shiver down the premier league’s spine, and don’t forget if we are competing in 3 cups, we’ll need a big bench. And most of that bench will be injured anyway. Now with that little lot around, do we really need so many youngsters in the squad costing us money? I would keep Lansbury, Aneke, Freeman, Frimpong, Nordtveit, Bartley and Eastmond, but how many of the others in that age group do we really need?
Another week of nothing, but it will be fun watching the Liverpool saga unfold, I bet the Everton fans are enjoying it! We get a chance to see a few Arsenal players play for England, then we can start to think about the Birmingham game, boy it’s been for ever!
Have a great day Grovers, it will soon be upon us!
UPDATE:
If you haven’t heard already, Arsenal have signed up to a deal with a firm called YES. They’ll be allowed to show delayed Arsenal games over the web. Here is the press release.
Zar you mong,
Where did I slate anyone?
i agree give afobe a chance.. none of the other strikers are overwhelming me at the present…
All the time bud ALL THE TIME…
When someone and comes and puts up how they see the team should set up you ALWAYS have something to say about how its wrong but never seem to come back with how YOU think we should set up…
Everyone is entitled to their opinion its just your opinion is about why others opinions are wrong
Zar, I’ve never seen Gambon go after anyone on here unless someone has got shirty with him of course…
hahah gambon. what have you been up to?
Zar
You are in desperate need of a chill pill, you must be an angry young man/woman/hermaphrodite.
Moray
I think Zar is upset cos i said Jack Wilshere isnt a DM, which im pretty sure he isnt!
Time of the month i guess!
Zar, if we all agreed with each other, there would be no debate…
yes there would…
So, anyone think the Wellington boot chap is going to be any good?
Everyone getting mega excited about another young kid from a land far away!
(soory, Pedro. couldn’t resist that one)
Pedro
I think he will be a cut above most of our kids, but hes hardly a solution for the next few seasons.
is it okay if I talk about fellow grovers? There is’nt much to talk about… Have compiled a list, if you don’t agree with it make your own. I have as much insight as anyone
Top 5 Doomers
1. Jaguar
2. DDM
3. Gambon
4. Geoff
5. Taig
Top 3 Analysts
1. Surfer
2. A
3. Pedro
Top 3 Most Sensitive
1. QoS
2. Arsensbemajor
3. Ghbenga
lol @ Moray
Gambon, it seems we have an abundance of strikers… if they all come good, you’re looking at a real bottleneck for one place.
Afobe, Theo, Vela, Bends, Chamakh, RVP…
Barcelona sporting director Andoni Zubizarreta is allegedly considering an approach for Arsenal midfielder Denilson, according to reports from Spain.
http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/aneke-i-m-taking-inspiration-from-vieira?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+arsenal-news+(News+Feed)
arsenal.com have been reading le-grove
bnsb, I’m not sure what position they want to play Denilson. Perhaps they hope Fab will follow him.
Will he cover for Macherano? Perhaps he is seen as the long term successor to Xavi a ha hahha hhah ahaha hahaha haaa
pedro
is bendner due to return any time soon?
lol at Socrates list.
Geoff no 4 doomer and Franchise off the list. Oh things have changed at LG.
Pedro should have annual Le-grove awards…maybe thru votes too..
Socrates
I think you mean ‘realists’ rather than ‘doomers’
Gambone definitely does not debate…
Cant wait for Wellington… hope he is not overhyped (like most gunners have been lately)
Socrates… HAHAHAHA
‘Realists’ or ‘really wouldn’t mind Arsenal losing if it proves their point’?
gambon, top comment. I love it how everyone says you are a pessimist and a doomer. In the end it is those people who have been right for the last 5 years without fail. Surely that makes them realists.
I can’t wait for him to arrive either ZAR, really thought there was something special there in his brief cameos for the reserves in pre season. Hopefully be the long term successor to Arshavin….
Mayank, that is not funny. No one wants Arsenal to lose just because they thought we would lose. But more usually than not it is the truth.
Duke, after winning the title twice in a row if there a couple of Chelsea fans saying we won’t win the PL for another 3 years. Would they be pessimistic or realistic because in hindsight they didn’t?
Socrates
U have missed your top-AKB list…(doomers list u did put)
I have to mention, the statistics are based on the last 6 months, i think the ‘realist’ list will be very contecious…
Duke the “doomers” generally predict that we will lose before EVERY match, and as we win way more matches than we lose that would make them more incorrect than correct overall.
Oh the ignominy of being on the same list as Jaguar, but not being quite as good as him.
Mayank, know this information now surely they were realistic because that was the reality. The truth though is we haven’t won anything for five years. So people who said we won’t win anything last season after four of not winning anything were surely realistic.
Samir, he’s in training and looking very lean apparently… he went back initially a bit fat.
A, Thats wrong & you know it.
A, if that is the case you are right, I personally thought we would lose to Chelsea and obviously didn’t expect to even drop points to WBA at home. I also doubt that we will win a trophy this season.
Some people them call me pessimistic for those reasons. I do not believe that is fair.
Haha Chozzer!
Duke not really, Jaguar predicted a 4-0 win against WBA. Was he wearing rose tinted glasses?
If I came on and said we’d be 3-0 down wouldn’t you say I was being pessimistic. Or doom-mongering.
A, there are two people who do that on the whole site.
Realists makes more sense to me… who has been nearer the truth over the past three years?
People slate Geoff for being a doomer, he had the summer nailed from the start… no one came back to congratulate him on being right did they? Nor the predictions of the past 3 years.
No one wants to say their clubs is going to do badly… it’s about being honest though.
Duke I wouldn’t expect anyone to call you pessimistic for saying that we’d probably lose to Chelsea.
The pessimistic people are the ones who say we’ve got no chance of winning anything, or beating anyone decent etc.
I thought we’d probably lose to Chelsea too, certainly wouldn’t call myself a pessimist.
The West Brom game was just ridiculous, and a bit of a joke. Must just be a freak result, first time we’ve failed to beat anyone outside the big boys at home since we changed system
The thing with AKB’s or overtly positive people is that deep down, we all know they don’t believe what they’re saying.
Mayank, you are talking a one off game now though. The whole point of the league is that if you do lose unexpectedly to a team like WBA at home you have another 37 games to put the record straight. One game can be a wrong representation of the team as a whole but after 38 games the table does not lie.
A, well you see if you say a pessimist is a person who says we have no chance of winning anything in my book is wrong. Those people have been right for the past 5 years.
I am somewhere in the middle. I think we can win something but don’t believe we will unfortunately. Saying we can’t win anything is also a bit wrong in my book because even Pompey has a chance to win something, like they showed with the Cup.
Henry reveals how Wenger signed warrior Toure
Author: Nigel Brown
Posted on:11 October 2010 – 11:38
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Arsenal legend Thierry Henry has revealed how Kolo Toure joined the club after a successful trial at London Colney with Arsene Wenger ending up on the receiving end of the Ivorian’s tought tackling.
Toure joined the Gunners in 2002 from ASEC Mimosas for a fee of £150 000 and was sold in the summer of 2009 for £16 million to big spending Manchester City. Toure became part of Arsenal’s unbeaten team and was a stalwart for the Gunners during his tenure forming a formidable partnership with Sol Campbell.
In Patrick Barclay’s new biography of Sir Alex Ferguson, published this Thursday, Henry reveals the day Kolo Toure came for a trial at Arsenal:
“Kolo took the ball, man, everything,” said Henry. “The ball soared into the air and was falling just out of play when Arsene trotted after it and snaked out a leg to control it.
The sotry of how Toure joined Arsenal from Thierry…
“But Kolo was still running furiously and, as the boss trapped the ball, hit him as hard as he’d hit me. Arsene went head over heels. We all stopped and gaped. Then Arsene got up. He had this great big grin on his face. ‘Yes,’ he said. ‘I think we can go to war with this one.’ And Kolo joined us.”
I wonder what the equivalent would be now? “Eboue made the gaffer laugh so he signed him”, “Diaby fell over and injured himself so the boss signed him”, “Song gave the ball away so the boss signed him”…
Pedro I wouldn’t say that there are any “AKBs” on here though.
The same is said at both extremes though, none of the “doomers” would actually believe that denilson/diaby/song/bendtner etc are championship standard players, or if they did then they’d just be illustrating an unbelievable level of footballing ignorance!
Pedro, I think being a positive person is wrong from being an AKB, I know some people who are not all that positive but then still say that Wenger is the best thing for us and nothing should change because they believe his long term plan/financial achievement bullshit. For me that is more of an AKB than a positive person.
Duke no one calls someone a Doomer for calling the results right. I know many very positive fans predicting we won’t win this season. No one calls them doomers.
The fact is if the focus of your posts is always on the negative things at Arsenal then it pisses some people off.
Like if I come on here after the WBA game extolling the virtues of our team.
As for positive posters not believing what they write it’s completely unfounded. If as a fan of a team like Arsenal you don’t really believe that we CAN win the title there’s not much point going through the season.
No Duke, saying that they think we won’t win would’ve been right, saying that we have no chance wouldn’t have been right….
A pessimist is someone who would say we have no chance, and that would be incorrect, of course we have a chance, it’s just less likely than if we signed more players etc etc
Duke, you get positive people, realists and negative people on here.
I agree with A, I don’t think there are any AKB’s on here.
Realists is a fair comment….
But being a supporter of any team there should be some hint of optimism borne in such a person?
A, that is exactly what I was saying. I guess we are on the same page there.
Pedro, same applies to you. AKB can be one of the three, usually they are more positive because it helps them support Wenger.
If Wenger tells our board he wants Schwarzer,he should be sacked,like he should off been when he told them he wanted Silvestre.
Great story about Toure but I heard that Wenger dropped his wallet and Toure found it and gave it back to him so Wenger signed him up
bullshit
http://www.sport.co.uk/news/Football/45020/Barca_eye_raid_for_Gunners_samba_star.aspx?
The accronym ‘AKB’ really does my head in. Its either i don’t know what i means or people just use it in a different way to what it actually means.
A-Arsene
K-knows
B-best
In that case i’m an AKB. I dont agree with every decision Wenger makes but surely he knows whats best for the club than anyone on here or anywhere can speculate.
AKB Guide
There has been a lot of talk about the ‘Arsene Knows Brigade’ in recent weeks. I’ve had many e-mails asking me to point out how you can tell early on if your loved one might have been struck down with the disease.
Here is the list of the indicators:
1. Inability to think for themselves. They can no longer sit down the pub with their footballing friends and enter into a reasoned conversation. His/Her friends will be bored of their debating tactics… ‘Arsene Knows’ grows tiresome after 3 years.
2. Positive support for anything Arsene: Yes, when your loved one sounds like a propaganda machine for Arsenal.com, you know you’re in trouble. When you hear things like, ‘Trust in Arsene’ or ‘I am an ardent support of anything Arsene…’, you know that your loved one may think he/she is on the payroll at Arsenal. The sad thing is, they’re not…
3. Acceptance of second best: If you get your meal at a nice restaurant and it looks good, but it is cold… you’ll find an AKB member won’t mind. They’ll accept anything as long as it looks good and the restaurateurs are relatively inexperienced. You will find they’ll even accept a price increase after the disappointment, as long as they are promised it will be better next year.
4. Hours spent writing hate on blog sites: If your loved one gets so worked up by Arsene criticism that they start writing hate on fan sites that disagree with their mantra, you know they’ve been struck down big time. But hey, don’t worry, they would never have the guts to be that big time in real life… so don’t worry about the ‘Blog Tourettes’ rearing its ugly head in public… it’s a bedroom thing. Anonymity is a must for any budding AKB member.
5. Everything positive is down to Arsene. You’ll be led to believe it’s ‘Arsene united’ down at the Emirates. Arsene built the stadium according to AKB’s, but he is not responsible for the corporate aspect of the Emirates. He is in no way responsible for the fact that ticket prices are now out of reach for many working class fans. Arsene doesn’t spend the money that is available to him, yet AKB’s will blame the board for not funding him. Mr Wenger is apparently responsible for bringing Arsenal out of mid table obscurity… well, by my reckoning, we finished 5th in Rioch’s last full season and in the last 16 years, we’ve only finished out of the top 5 twice? This list could go on forever, but the pattern is always the same. Wenger is a demi-god in the AKB’s eyes, he does no wrong and if he does… it’s just Wenger testing you as a fan…
So there you have it, if your loved one has any of the above symptoms be very careful… they can be quite dangerous if you broach the subject with them… you wouldn’t want to be called a spud would you?
The best thing to do is copy the link to Le Grove, e-mail it over to the AKB member in question and let the Grovers put them straight!
LOl at Tom.
@wellington….. I WISH
have to disagree there,there 2 or 3 AKBs on this blog..
have to disagree there,there *ARE 2 or 3 AKBs on this blog..
So how dd he sign Ade TOM TOM?
But yes it does my head in too Chris, people only really use it when they aren’t capable of offering any sort of rational or coherant argument. Pretty ironic….
Sabeel, like whom?
Denilson to Barca… I’d love that! haha!
Having seen that AKB guide id say they are definately present on this blog.
Duke
u know it mate…
We signed Ade when he agreed that he would drive Wenger to training so he could save on petrol money and he would also pay for his lunch in the canteen. Wenger worked out that this would save him at least 1250 pounds per year so he signed him up
The AKB guide… unchanged and we’re in our 4th year…
barca eyeing Denilson? Surely not. But if we could perhaps get Busquets. I know he is a kunt but a good player.
It just shows how shit the media has become. If before we had some rumours they were believable even if bullshit. How can anyone seriously believe that Barca want Denilson. I don’t think his biggest fan or his mother would believe that.
I think there alot of AKB’s here. I think it’s a great and accurate term, and not a gimmick at all. It’s just that it’s quite subtle with alot of people.
Implicit in alot of people’s arguments for success over the years is that the likes of Diaby, Denilson, Song are going to improve year on year, and blossom at the same time, leading us to world domination, which is complete bollocks. A few realists knew that years ago yet because Arsene gave them the big build up, fawning fans though we had about five ballon d’or winners in our ranks.
And A, I remember you a couple of seasons ago trying to project how points we were going to get from a eight or ten game spell in January and February. Unsurprisingly you thought we would win about 90% of the games, however in reality we won about two or three. I think it was just before Arshavin signed.
I think Denilson would do very well in Spain, he’s not too different to Busquets.
Barca have also launched a 25 million pound bid for Flappy but Wenger is trying to keep him for another season then sell Flappy and Denilson in a 50 million pound deal with Messi joining Arsenal
Mayank, I believe he could do fine for Helcules or Sporting Gijon, not Barca.
Bottom half Spanish league team is about his level.
denilson will come out this week and talk about how wonderful it is playing for barca and how he has been dreaming about it since he was a little kid bla bla bla…
maybe barca think that if they came up with a denilson enquiry it would make cesc eager to join them as he will feel the cunts are looking elsewhere
TOM TOM says:
October 11, 2010 at 14:26
lmao!!!!
Denilson would be a decent squad member for Barca, same as he is for us. The Spanish league would suit him much better than the prem.
No idea why Barca would want someone like him though – they could get cheaper/better backup certainly
Paulinho, you mean the people who chose to see the positive side of the situation aren’t using their brain. That’s a very bold implication.
Most here say Song et al can become great in a few years. Which is true, they can. Whether they do is another matter.
You’d have thought people support a club and watch football as an escape from the platitudes of daily life. Therefore it isn’t unreasonable that they have a positive outlook regarding it.
arsenal4ever says:
October 11, 2010 at 14:20
barca eyeing Denilson? Surely not. But if we could perhaps get Busquets. I know he is a kunt but a good player.
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i think busquets is a terrible player, wouldn’t want him anywhere near arsenal
Very true A.
I still think Arsene is the right man for the job. People question his spending and rightly so. He doesn’t get every decision correct and why?, hes a human bein like most of us are. The right decisions certainly outweigh the not so good ones.
But to question his passion and mentality for Arsenal is a joke. ” Arsene has lost the will to succeed”. How?
Which manager would like to see at the Emirates?
Don’t get me wrongof course everyone is entitled to their oppinion, its why we support arsenal and why we’re so passionate about not winning recently but some people take that passion and turn it into hate towards Arsene which is disrespectful and wrong imo.
Whats our current injury list?
Almunia
Sagna
Gibbs
Vermalean
Fabregas
Walcott
Diaby
Bendtner
Van Persie
have i missed anyone?
maybe’s for the citeh game?
jay i think cesc, diaby and bendtner are back, and maybe theo too?
obviously add in ramsey there too
Neveroutgun Denilson owes Arsenal a lot, I’d be surprised if he did.
Duke, When Denilson played 50 games for us we still managed 4th. Are you saying 4th in the PL is bottom half La Liga? Never mind the fact that he played those 50 games with a maturing MF around him.
Mayank
Theres a fine line between positivity & delusion.
If my brother said he was going to fight David Haye i’d support him, but id be at the bookies putting my money on Haye pretty damn quickly.
How could a few realist possible know years ago Diaby and Denilson would’t blossm Paulinho?
Denilson would do well at Barca. Espicially the way they play their system.
|Chris
Hes done a lot more wrong than not spending money.
His tactics, his constant backing of poor players, his blindness to our keeper & defensive issues, the lies, the embarassing statements.
His backing has been falling a lot recentley, much more than some people are willing to admit.
Gambon a little delusion that goes along with football. What about the away fans at Nou Camp last year. Wouldn’t you say it’s a bit deluded to spend that money and time to see your team lose? Or what about the WBA fans who came up to the Emirates.
Yes it is to support, but the fact is it’s sprinkled with a bit of delusion.
Mayank – If Song, Diaby, and Denilson were playing for other clubs, there wouldn’t be anyone on here saying they are destined for greatness. It’s pure myopia under the guise of objectivity. Different sets of criteria are applied to judge our own players than are used to judge others.
I can understand your escapism point when at the match, but I don’t see the point of deluding yourself on blog. Anyway, my point is fans – who are pretty accurate when critiquing players from other clubs i.e Lucas is shit – actually think they’re being objective in predicting great things for players that are so average in the great scheme of things, it is untrue. Which keeps getting shown time and time again everytime we play against a half-decent side.
Honestly with a fully fit squad (haha) Diaby, denilson and even Song should be bench/back up players
imo our strongest team when everybody is fit
——–clown——–
-sagna-squill-verm-gibbs
——song (sitting back)
—fabregas–wilshere/ramsey
-nasri—RvP—arshavin
Not really Paulinho, you wouldn’t know how these players would be like at other clubs. Take A. Young for example people were saying he’s much better than Theo and we should replace Theo with Young. Now that’s being short-sighted or myopic. Now we don’t know for sure who’ll be the better player in the long run but most objective fans of other clubs would say Theo.
Or take Hleb as an example would anyone want him on the basis of his recent performances? No. But the fact is when he was with us we knew his value to the team.
What I mean to say is people have seen a lot more of our own players and perhaps they see a few abilities that could make them great. Whereas we pass judgement on players from other teams on the basis of fewer performances.
we have been playing since 3-4 years mostly with inexperienced squad players…thats the main problem,with time this will be resolved
Paulinho I believe the absolute opposite in terms of the way certain players are perceived.
If those players were playing for other clubs they would be lauded as potential superstars, as so many players at average clubs are. Remember the clamour for Palacios when he was at Wigan?!
When we lose people are angry and desperate to blame someone, so when they aren’t blaming Wenger they turn on whichever player(s) is/are the flavour of that month, and hugely exagerate how poor the are/were.
If they were playing for someone like Wigan then people would be exagerating how good they are.
So what your sayin Gambon is wenger has made more wrong decisions about our club than right ones.
His tactics- Are not always spot on, i have to agree. But we win way more than we loose so certainly his tactics must work more than they fail. If your refering to Chelsea i think his tactics were spot on. How would you have gone about that game?.
his constant backing of poor players- It would be bad management to publicly slate ‘poor’ players.
his blindness to out keeper and defensive issues- Wenger hasn’t been blind bout this otherwise contemplating/bidding for Reina/Schwarzer wouldn’t have surfaced and the purchases of Squilacci and Koscielny wouldnt have happened. it would have better for you to say he could hae delt with the situations better.
the lies/Embarassing statments- do you mean lies or wrongly interperted/twisting of the media? you might have to list a few here for me mate.
fucking hell your making me make Wenger sound like God, which hes not but i just think people go too far with their Wenger abuse.
Gambon
You say we need to replace clichy, almunia and get someone to play alongside Song. Then you say replace Wenger. The rest of the team is Wengers. Cesc, Jack and everyone else. Are you saying Wenger is almost good enough? I don’t think you are so really you just mean replace Wenger which would mean wholesale changes. At the moment everything about this squad, team and the way we play (good and bad) is down to Wenger.
GM, I think the word you’re looking for is quixotic.
Have to go. Later.
A – I really doubt that Song at just relegated Bastia, Denilson as a reserve at Sao Paolo, and Diaby a sub at Auxerre, would have gone on to be hailed as potential superstars.
I really do think lower echelons of the prem is their standard and I don’t think that WBA game was a one-off. If we lined up with that side week in week out we would finish about mid-table, without doubt. Before that West Brom game I said to Honest Bill that side was garbage and would struggle, and that was purely through being objective. Those players get carried massively by Cesc, and while they can usually hold it together for a game or so while he is absent, they collectivley unravel when he’s away for any length of time.
Chris, you’d think with our budget he’d win more than he lost!
You don’t have to slate poor players publicly, you can drop them though. Something he rarely does these days.
He knew about the keeper issue as far back as February and failed to sort it out, that’s shocking management.
neveroutgun
if everyones fit, walcott has to start in the team or we have no pace to get in behind teams or create space with his pace.
A, Palacios has hardly been a bad signing! United are after him and Spurs are now a top 4 club.
I’d take him over Denilson all day… probably Song as well.
Paulinho you mean Denilson the Brazil u20 Captain, Diaby who almost joined Chelsea instead of us, and Song who was wanted by loads of big clubs?!
Not talking about them back then anyways, I’m saying that if they were playing for an average side then they’d be being hyped up like anything, and they’d look very impressive.
Since we changed system we’ve not failed to beat any side at home outside of the top four until the West Brom game, and on paper we’ve had much worse line ups. Objectively it would appear to be a freak result, and I really hope it is, rather than an indication of deeper problems in there.
Pedro what do you mean Utd are after him?!
He was quite impressive when he first joined but he’s gone very steadily downhill since and the Spuds I know worry when he’s named in the line up. He’ll be flogged to Villa or someone similar if/when Sandro settles and is any good.
I wouldn’t at all – his passing ability makes Song look like Xavi
I agree with A about the perception of players on here. (although I think diaby and denilson are average at best) I’ve heard people on here praising fletcher who is a useles pile of dogshit, He’d be slaughtered on here if he wore an Arseanal shirt. People also talk about Wenger not buying ronaldo. If he had for 2 years they would have been saying what a cunt wenkger was for buying a showboating , flash wanker with no end product.
A
It is the management and illogical transfer policies that has to be blamed for that.
Because what u write there is a clear there sign of “low expectations” of the club that u have of the club now….now thats why we need to blame them
Fans expectations are on a LOW for a good period of 3-4 years… for sure…and now it is becoming a habit,no one realising this i think..
A – Maybe a freak result, give you that, but by no means a freak performance when thinking of the games when Messers Diaby and Song have lined up together in midfield. Remember those 0-0 matches in 08/09 before Arshavin signed? We were playing 4-5-1 or 4-3-3 then as well. I personally think the formation makes f-all difference.
Luckily Wilshere is the dogs bollocks and hopefully Ramsay comes back in good form so we might not see those two together too often.
Chris,
Good response. However I personally feel Wenger has really tarnished his legacy to the point where it may be non existent.
Tactics – I disagree with the idea that his tactics must be good as he wins more than he loses. You can be shit tactically yet still win games & even trophies, not that he does. As for in the big games, he is always exposed tactically. Drogba rapes us every time yet we never set out to keep him quiet. Messi had his best ever game against us the day after Wenger said he would not make any special plans for him.
He backs poor players by repeatedly picking them & telling us that signing a player would ‘kill’ them.
With the defence & keepers – with respect contemplating a bid for a keeper is embarrassing, if you have a problem you fix it, you don’t make a few bids then sit on your hands like a fool as the windows passes you by. We have certainly bought defenders but we are still conceding goals left, right & centre.
Lies – include all the super super class bullshit, the ‘i will take my chequebook to the euros’, ‘i have money and i will spend’.
He’s certainly a good manager, but at the top level i think he is outclassed.
huh Sabeel, why is that a clear sign of low expectations?!
All three of Song, Diaby, and Denilson are more than good enough to play for a big club, although Song does appear to have gone downhill this season last season he was very good, Diaby is good enough imo to be a first team member and Denilson backup.
GM, United fans slated his show boating… he cut it out of his game and became the best player in the world for a bit.
A, in his first full season as a Spurs player, they end up in the top 4. He played 38 games. I don’t think Spurs fans worry when his name is on the starting 11 sheet. My Spud mates certainly don’t… and I have enough of them.
If Diaby had joined Chelsea, do you think he’d still be there?
Paulinho that system with Adebayor was totally different to the system we have now, and the performances when we couldn’t score nor create anything are totally incomparable as well. Even against West Brom we scored 2 goals when we pulled our fingers out.
The system makes an absolutely huge difference, and the performances against the lesser sides since we got rid of ade show that imo….
how rubbish is tribal football?…
http://tribalfootball.com/barcelona-chief-zubizarreta-
targets-arsenal-youngster-denilson-1174381
Ok, read it all, Wilshere SHOULD NOT be put in as a lone defensive midfielder, c’mon! he is better in Cesc position or beside him and he is better creating not destroying or breaking up. Ramsey is good too, but why so many midfielders? the problem we had last year and now having this year is we don’t have enough true strikers playing at the same time. We can’t pack the field with creators of chances with no end producers. RvP, Chamakh and Arshavin should be our starting strikers.
On to AKBs or doomers, well we have a slight, slight few AKBs on here, but a boat load of obvious doomers, Jaguar is chief doomer…most of us are realist.
I think they are 4 Arsenal supporters
1. The Straight Realist – Those who see the problems and note it out, see the success and note it out as well. They aren’t blaming one person all of the time, but whoever is directly responsible for instances that has held us back. Unfortunately Wenger gets the majority of the brunt, but they still think he is good for us looking at the current affairs of other clubs. Straight realists, think passive realist are on the verge between AKBism and doomers, and watch these set closely during debates. Straight realist are often harsh to both doomers and akbs. A realist shoots first, they will point out how good the team and Wenger is when things go well, and crucify as appropriate when the obvious problem is not addressed by the board or Wenger.
2. The passive Realist – These supporters call it as it is some of the time, but won’t blame anyone, and just think that the system can be tweaked slightly. They know Wenger has faults, they won’t blame Wenger all of the time, but the constraints to which he has to work under, they may agree with the straight realist that individual performances of certain players are to blame, but are quick to note the good things those players can bring. Passive Realist arent bothered what the AKBs or Doomers think, as they see them as 2 extremes. But they engage the straight realist for the hard stance on the reality of affairs. Passive realist are analytical non-shooting people, while straight realists shoot first, the analyze later when the results are poor or good.
3. AKBs – These annoy both Realist, how they think one man is God and everything revolves around one man. They never blame him or his charges or even the board (passive realist may not blame Wenger but may blame a playe, the board or circumstances) AKBs seem very delusional to both realist, how they can not see that something needs to change. They a quick to defend current state of affairs and will not accept criticism of the current Arsene setup.
4. Doom Brigade – The polar opposite of the AKB, they hate what Arsene is trying to do, done or will do, they hate his signings and thinks the team need to crash and burn to make their point that the current setup is not working. They are quick to rejoice and sing the mantra “told you so” when Arsenal is in a bad situation and they cringe when Arsene has something to say. They usually love to seek out the AKBs (vice versa) to duke it out, and sometimes try to drag the AKB\doom out of Realists, running into a brick wall most cases. They want Arsene out ASAP.
My point is, i think the most of us are realist, BUT Jaguar is a proper doom brigade supporter, gambon and DDM as well. I think Geoff is a straight realist. Same with Pedro and myself.
I don’t think proper AKBs can stand this sight…what we have mostly are Doom brigade, Straight Realist ( a whole lot) and some passive realist
Pedro
I know that’s why I used the cunt as an example. Hopefully one of our players will come good.
A
its not abt diaby,song,denilson..
Low expectaion is on the below point u made
How can i Forget the deadline day of this summer,where every Fan was begging,that we Get SOMEONE (crap) better than Almunia…
Like we were all crying for some HumanBODY…thats How LOW expectations have dipped…
GM, maybe Carlos…
Yeah so do I pedro, I live with an ardent Spud, and he certainly does, especially when he comes off the bench when they’re trying to hold onto a lead.
Yeah I do with Diaby as well, I think he would’ve potentially developed quicker and would look more comfortable in their set up and midfield. Experience helping him etc
Sabeel I don’t understand why anything I said had anything to do with expectations etc?!
Someone said that those players are viewed in a more positive light because they’re playing for us, and I believe the opposite to be true. Has nothing to do with expectations etc.
I agree about people desperately hoping for a signing, but not sure I’d put it totally down to lowered expectations, although there is an element of that. The footballing culture has changed though, people are much more obsessed about transfers nowadays
My team for Birmingham…based on injuries…
I heard that Chamkah has an injury…can anybody confirm
………………….Fabinaksi……………….
Eboue…….Squill…………….Koss………CLichy
………………Song…….Denilson…………….
..Nasri………………Cesc…………..Arsh/Vela
…………………Cham/JET……………………
Jack and Rosicky will need some rest…also Vela will be fresh and ready to go so I would be tempted to play him in place of Arshavin who would have played 2 international games….
Also if Cham is injured I would go with JET up top…
Bendtner aint ready yet..I would reintroduce Bendtner against Newcastle in the Carling Cup….
I would play a front 3 of
JET………..Bendtner…………Vela
in the Carling cup against Newcastle…that front 3 has size, pace and tricks….
http://www.arsenal.com/match-menu/3004866/first-team/arsenal-v-fulham?tab=report
A 4-3-3 with Nasri centrally, Arshavin on the right, Vela on the left. Diaby and Denilson in midfield.
0-0 against Fulham, no real difference between then and now. If we played them next week with that team the same thing would happen most likely. If I remember correctly Fulham were toying with us in the last ten minutes of that match.
There’s been zero progress with these players in two years. Only difference is new players like Wilshere coming through.
Bloody hell, this is a pretty extreme post…
http://open.salon.com/blog/keka/2010/10/10/white_men_with_guns
A, in fairness, you probably live with someone similar to yourself in football views. I can’t imagine you knock about with people with standard views.
Ja I thought it was just concussion?
I’d go for
Fabianski
Eboue Squillaci Koscielny Clichy
Cesc Song Wilshere
Nasri Chamakh Arshavin
then
Szczesny
Lansbury JD Squillaci Gibbs
Nasri Denilson Diaby/Wilshere
Theo Bendtner Vela
Dale
I am a realist, not a doomer.
can we trust them Pedro and Geoff?
http://www.talksport.co.uk/sports-news/football/premier-league/transfer-rumours/1715/2/arsenal-set-win-chase-belgian-strike-sensation
this would be awesome. Imagine a strikeforce of Benik and Lukaku would destroy everything!!!
A4E, I can’t get excited about him… unless he’s made it at the highest level, there’s probably only a 30% chance of him being any good.
Gambon,
Bollocks, his legacy can’t be so badly tarnished becase of 5 years without a trophy. he has a host of other achievements within those five years that any successor would really strugle to keep up with. sure you can be shit tactically and still win games by luck and individual performances, wouldn’t say you couldwin a trophy with shit tactics though. How do you suggest he should have handeled Messi? Apart from tell Clichy not to surge forward, which he didn’t do until we were 2-1 down. what preperations should he have made for Messi when theres also Xavi, inesta, ibrahimovic also to look out for. We had a weakned team going into the barca game.
With regards to poor players, the GK situation was a lose lose one. Both our number 1 and 2 were playing like shit so one has to be picked.
I don’t think many mangers outclass Wenger. People cream them selves over Mourinho, whes the majority of the teams he managed already had a title winning squad and didn’t need to go through a transition period.
Chris G, Maggie T tarnished her reputation despite all the good she did for Britain.
lol why Lansbury at rightback A. I know we had this debate before but i still don’t get why you want to see him at rightback with Nordveit avaliable. Other than that i would go with tha team.
So would you say Wengers reputation has been tarnished Pedro? to the point that he’s no longer seen as a Legend in Arsenal’s history.
Paulinho we created no chances in that game, and didn’t control it at all. When was the last time we didn’t dominate possession?! How can you honestly believe that nothing has changed, it was totally different! We had 47% of the possession in that game, at home against Fulham! Seriously as well, we drew 0-0, when was the last 0-0 draw at the Emirates against anyone who wasn’t a top team?! Or even the last time we failed to score against someone at home, last season it was only Chelsea and City wasn’t it?! I’m pretty sure that was the period that we had three 0-0 draws in a row all at home, along with the one away at Cardiff?
Pedro I assure you I don’t – i had real qualms about moving in with him because of football related arguments we’ve had in the past, we don’t think in the same way at all, but just have an unspoken agreement not to talk about arsenal/spurs, rub anything in, nor watch north london derby together!
Chris, he’ll always be a legend… but I certainly don’t think he’ll be remembered as fondly the longer he goes on taking the piss out of the fans.
Fuck me i love Le Grove, actually keeping me away from Fifa 11, something even my girlfriend struggles to do unless theres sex involved.
of course Pedro. But a host of clubs wants him and wanted if we got it sealed. I would love Forlan in an Arsenal shirt. Proven goal scorer. We cant rely on RVP anymore
. Sad but the truth. Also the Reina transfer hots up. But why we always doing serious business if season could be gone already?
Fair enough Pedro.
Chris G just because he deserves to play, and although it isn’t his position he can still do a job tere, as Gerrard did early in his career, or Ramsey has. Otherwise I’d give him one of the places in the midfield three.
It seems Blanc has finally opened his eyes and has seen how shite Diaby is?Hope Wenger does same, but he will continue to play him just to prove ‘le president’ wrong.
Fifa 11 is just a warm up of Fifa 10. PES 11 rules!! You can play Arsenal like in real. Tippy tappy passes and bang!!
Love it
Guys, RvP nearly backin action, v marwijk just said that van persie is nearly back! YES!!
After PES 6. FIFA Dominated foorball games.
FACT.
which should i buy pes 11 or fifa 11 ?
Baafuor Diaby missed out because he was injured, not because he was dropped
Both Arse&Nose, that’s what I’ll do when I have the money anyways….
Fifa won last year but (having played neither yet) I’m told that this year is pretty identical, whereas PES new passing system and other improvements have made it much more competitive.
Don’t get too excited about RVP.
Diaby was injured I thought? Blanc would’ve played him otherwise.
Dutchman says:
October 11, 2010 at 15:53
how long
? I really like VP but his injuries always killing us!!!
The only thing I would be ‘excited’ about someone like (or actually him) Mourinho coming in, is that he’d clean house of the dead weight and promote/play the talented.
The main problem with that is we might have so much dead weight, that he’d end up having to completely rebuild the team.
I don’t want Wenger gone, I just want Wenger to end his love affair with mediocre players that he has so much faith in becoming world class.
A new manager would have no such loyalty/blind faith in some players.
@ Chris G. but pes is back to his best. Anyway was never a big Fifa fan. All goals are similar and never unique unless in PES 11 and I have played both.
No A, I cant buy both. I can only invest my time in one of them or the mrs will kill me!
arsenal4ever I agree, Fifa is unrealistic and although it was much more playable last year it’ll still never flow in the same was or feel as organic. Much more structured.
A – We didn’t exactly dominate possession against West Brom did we? At least when the game was in the balance.
And RVP in that Fuham game had a header from five yards out that he missed, from an Arshavin cross. Anyway, it’s alot easier to score token goals when 3-0 down than when it’s 0-0 so Nasri goals mean very little.
We struggled alot at home last season as well. Everton at home, West Ham at home, Wolves at home, Birmingham was very dicey until Arshavin scored on the counter.
Apart from Fabregas, no one has really improved no matter how much you try and argue it, simply because time has elapsed, which is all it seems to be based on.
Paulinho I’d argue that instead of improving certain players have regressed.
Denilson was better when he broke into the team, so was Sagna, Clichy, Eboue and Diaby.
Fifa 11 is quality much better than recent fifas, got better reviews than pes11
Also i think them Fifa 11 boys know the arsenal team better than wenger.
one of the new features you can play a whole season as a goalkeeper, picked alumina for the season first game up clichy back pass to Alumina duff kick oppsition scored, so realistic it unreal.
Fifa 11 all the way