Before the game I sat there and wondered to myself…
How many mistakes would Fabianski have to make to be considered a liability?
Why when 3rd place is yet to be confirmed would Wenger think it a good idea to play a man who near enough commits a goalkeeping crime every other game? Why was he still trying to convince us that his young Polish keeper was going to be great?
Wenger’s stubbornness no doubt cost us the league this year and after yesterday’s team selection, there is a very good chance it could cost us 3rd place meaning we’ll have to qualify through the preliminaries in the Champions League next season.
The game started off relatively brightly for Arsenal. We fizzed the ball around the pitch and looked in control. Fabianski claimed a fair amount of high balls into the box and after about 20 minutes, Sagna flicked on a front post corner to RvP who was at the back post to nod the ball into the net. 1-0 up against a lower half of the table team should have seen us cruise to victory. However, as we all know, this team is built on brittle foundations. Blackburn had tactics in mind. Those tactics? To target a keeper Wenger believes to be great. They used every opportunity to launch high balls into our 6 yard box, knowing like the rest of us, Fabianski would make an incorrect decision at some point and we’d concede.
Just before half time, that moment came. Blackburn were putting two players on the keeper. They hit a looping ball to the back post, Fabianski tried to claim it but got under the ball and could only muster a flap, Blackburn returned the ball back across the face of goal where David Dunn was on hand to slot into an empty net.
The second half began and it seemed like Wenger had given one of those silent team talks, possibly just letting the players listen to their ipods. We came out looking uninterested and demotivated. The boys looked like they were in summer holiday countdown moment. It was disgraceful to watch and showcased that we’re no where near a championship winning team.
Blackburn don’t have the best players by a long way, but what they lack in technical ability they more than make up for with fight and discipline. They continued to pummel the Arsenal area with high balls and it didn’t take long for our terrible keeper to drop another howler. This time a simple cross was fired directly at Fabianski, he got under the ball, made a horrendous attempt at a punch, Samba simply nodded in.
Wenger sat on the sidelines flapping his arms more wildly than all his keepers have done this season. I didn’t get his point? Blackburn weren’t playing unfairly, they had identified our weakness and exposed it for the world to see. Wenger seems to believe that teams like Blackburn should set up to play Arsenal in a way that suits Arsenal. The ex-Prem champions don’t have half the funding or facilities we have, yet Wenger believes they should try and out play us! He lives on a different planet!
Here’s an idea Wenger. How about taking a closer look to home before you start blaming everyone else bar yourself?
All those players out on the pitch are your players and they failed you miserably. They don’t look like they can be assed. That is a disgrace to the 3000 away fans that travelled up to see you. That is a disgrace to the millions of gooners watching on TV. Everything is given to our boys on a plate. They don’t have to work for anything at Arsenal and it shows. Since going out of the Champions league, the players have switched off. It doesn’t matter though. They know full well you don’t get picked on form at Arsenal and you don’t get sold as long as you keep your mouth shut.
How about accepting the fact that the Premier League is a physical place to play the game of football and that sticking players on the keeper is fair tactic? If you had a good goal keeper in the squad that sort of tactic wouldn’t be employed. If you had players in the team with fight in them, they wouldn’t get bullied out of games. Yesterday, I hardly noticed Diaby and Nasri, they were that anonymous. Since Porto, Nasri has gone off the radar. He doesn’t have the stomach for the Premier League, he should try his luck in Spain or Italy. Massive disappointment. Diaby? Well, after he’s had his customary 3 good games a season, he goes AWOL. He looks lethargic and a long way of the physical stature of PV04.
Bar a few exceptions, the players on the pitch yesterday disgraced themselves and put another black mark against project youth. Carlos Vela was so out of the game it was difficult to make a judgement on him. For a player supposedly fighting for a future at our club his showing was nothing short of pathetic. Theo Walcott? Similar story as always. Unless he can get in a race, the best he can do is fire a cross or shot into his front post defender. You know it’s a bad afternoon when your best attacking player is Eboue.
Robin Van Persie’s return to the team proved to me that we wouldn’t have won the league even with him staying fit this season. Our problems are deeper than having a great striker on the pitch.
When you’ve got a manager who refuses to blame the keeper for his howlers, you have to question whether he is seeing any of the above problems?
Wenger isn’t in competition for trophies anymore, he’s in competition with his detractors. That competition in all likelihood will leave us in the same position this time next year as the Arsenal post 2004 de ja vu virus strikes again.
Personally, I don’t think Wenger is the man to lead us back to glory. He’s stuck in 1998 and had refused to move on. He won’t acknowledge tactics, he doesn’t punish poor performances and he rewards failure. Not just that, instead of raising the bar, he’s in a constant battle to lower it. No manager should be telling the fans 3rd place in an over achievement.
Wenger, unlike Fergie, looks unable to adapt for a second time. He wants plaudits for how he plays the game, not for the amount of trophies in the cabinet. We’re now known as the nearly team and judging by Wenger’s comments on transfers, we’re probably not going to address that this summer. He constantly reminds us that his players are extremely young. Well Arsene, I’m sure Titus Bramble was young at one point… he was rubbish though and he grew up and turned into a rubbish player. Being an average young player does not mean you’ll become a great 25 year old. Look no further than Senderos for evidence on that front.
Watching the demise of a once great manager has been slow and painful. I no longer have faith in him. I’ve wrestled with this in my mind for a long time, but watching our season go from potential greatness, to painful mediocrity has been awful. Listening to his ever familiar press conferences about the youth of his team and how he will be sensible in the transfer market is an all too familiar sound.
Deep down we all know the truth… Wenger hasn’t got it in him to change his ways and the board don’t have the balls to tell him.
It’s a sorry old situation we’ve got ourselves in.
See you in the comments.
I bet everyone is thinking of that specific picture of Zapatas thighs where he is stretching for the ball. Who’s the grover who used to always post it?
I think you’ve probably gotten confused with some other website that you frequent Stu, possibly with more adult content?!
Yeah you’ve got me A. I frequent a site with Zapata stretching for the ball.. i cant keep any secrets from you!
Limestonegunner – It seems naive, because you’ve bought into the frustration that surrounds the club right now. What’s changed in those several weeks, from what point do you mean ?!
Found it.. http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0eJi98X98naEE/610x.jpg
David – You remember when Franchise posted the picture ?!
I remember watching one of the South American qualifiers and you could tell it was Zapata just by looking at his thighs, heh, there’s also some player that plays for Ecuador I think who has even bigger ones.
Keyser,
both CC and FA Cup exits were a result of fielding teams with no chance whatsoever of winning the game (City) or an inferior team, gambling on Cesc’s fitness in the process (Stoke) – Cesc WANTED to play against Stoke, we should have at least give ourselves a chance of winning, not putting that twat in goal would be a start…
so yes, these are two competitions thrown, but that is just my opinion – Wenger’s comments seem to back it up too!
speaking of 07/08 season: 5:1 defeat at the hands of Spuds in CC and 4:0 mauling at OT in FA Cup – neither of the teams we fielded had a chance against the opposition on the day, simple as…
Yeah
Keyser
We were dropping points like flies….
Something really bothers me about Wenger. Van P is clearly world class but yet as we saw against Wigan Injuries aside…in 07/08 we had Van P on the bench and Wenger decided to use Nicklaus fucking Bendshite.
He makes the same fucking mistake and leaves RVP on the bench for 90minutes against guess who? Wigan again and we get done.
If he can “sacrifice” Cesc for Aston Villa why not RVP?
Suga3 – Please, it’s old ground, we were doing fine, we even equalised after going a goal down, it was only when we it was late in the game and we made those subs that we lost.
Only one team can win the competition, we can’t say everytime we go out we threw the competition or you’d have to consider the teams every other team puts out, I remember Wolves putting out weakened teams in the Carling Cup.
We should’ve thrown the Champions Leasgue, we might’ve kept our other players fitter for a bit longer, heh.
I guess my point is AW is just as guilty of fucking up when it matters as his players.
Damn. Are those thighs or an Anti-Aircraft weapon?
David – We were 2-0 up and cruising, you can’t always blame Wenger, the players had themselves to blame that day, we need to win something to breed that hunger back into them and quickly.
When was the season over for you ?!
Keyser,
since we had fuck all chance of winning the CL and better chance of winning either of the domestic cups, it would be a better idea (trophy wise) to let it go
beggars can’t be choosers, breeding winning mentality by winning stuff may be a cliche, but it clearly does not work the other way, does it?
leave denilson alone, you guys are pathetic just looking for a scapegoat. Denilson really came on this season even though he had a few bad games, why try destroy a young player like that.
It hurt this season but if we had won the title it would not have been because we were good enough it would have been a season early. next season if we slightly improve the squad like a world class keeper, another striker and another defender who can play at the top level.
the reality is we over performed this season seriously challenging for the title. and we did all of this despite all the injuries to key players we have had.
come on gooners!!!!
Keyser
We were clearly on the back foot against Wigan…we could barely control the ball and every the ball was passed forward there was no out let…the heavy touch of our “great dane” is no where near the ball park of the touch of Van P…20 min to go we couldve got Van P on to give us an attacking outlet when clearly we werent even interested in scoring any more goals.
The season was over for me at Birmingham.
Obviously.
Suga3 – You can’t really do that though can you, look at Villa they had a chance last season of getting 4th place from us, because 4th place is their goal for the season, O’neill put out a weakened team in the Uefa Cup and they went out.
They could’ve got further in it, but thats just how much the League and the Champions League come before anything else.
It’s not disrespect or anything like that, it’s just the reality of it, the FA Cup one of the oldest tournaments in the World has lost it’s importance, thats not for us to sort out but the FA.
They should give a place in the Champions League qualifiers or something to the FA Cup winners.
Even Tottenham played a weaker team I think.
You cant blame Wenger for not bringing VP on earlier. The team may have thought the match was won but in fairness so did everyone else until the got their first. Time to warm up and when they scored the equaliser VP came on. I switched off and apparently so did the players because they let a third in.
Keyser,
the manager’s job is to fucking manage, which also includes:
- motivating the players
- trying to influence the game from the touchline when things go tits up, instead of sitting on his hands and moaning to Rice/fourth official: it’s fucking embarrassing and needs to change
- making the right substitutions: introducing RvP at 2:2 in 90th minute was fucking laughable, who is he saving him for? KNVB?
Mate, for me the end started against Birmingham and Barcelona put the final nail in, if we’d gone out to Porto I think we’d probably have won the league, that first Barca game, Song, Arshavin, Gallas and Fabregas all got injured.
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This is exactly what I commented before the Porto match,and I was slagged off by many posters over here,who are having the same opinion now.
David – Exactly, I remember my heart fell through the floor after we conceded that late goal against Birmingham, the Tottenham game was more resignation and preparing for next season.
I want us to keep everyone and add to this squad, hopefully the 25 man squad thing doesn’t mess that up too much, then finally next season, instead of Denilson and whoever else people hate on getting played from the start, they’ll be enough compeition for places so that we can field more of the fringe players in the domestic cups.
If there’s competition for places in the first team, then there’s more for those players to prove in the cup competitions.
jo,
what are you, his boyfriend or something? we all wish him well, but he is not good enough for this team in this league, so he can fuck off…
Keyser,
MON fucked it up by buying Heskey + changing the formation and tactics, 4th was theirs to lose and they lost it, there was no AW’s doing in it…
Jo, denilson is making it easy on us to make him a scapegoat because he isnt good enough. He is too slow and weak to truly be a success in the premiership and should be sold. He isnt good enough for arsenal..end of.
Stu
I switched off but you cant trust this team…its something about us when we score first.
Theyre no more hunger to win it.
Its what happened against West Ham at home..its what happnd again against Black burn.
I dont know what it was about the attitude of the players but i was not surprised when Black burn pegged back before half time.
Sadly Wenger didnt look surprised either.
Suga3 – The game should’ve been seen out by them, these games are almost meaningless now if we get that last point, or Man Citeh or Tottenham drop points.
What game was it where Wenger threw his jacket back at his seat because I think Diaby went forward instead of dropping deep to watch out for the counter ?!
Of course Wenger influences games or gives instructions, but these games you should almost be grateful that he left them to it, because it shows him maybe their not quite up to it without nothing to play for.
Surely you mean West Ham away David because we beat them 2-0 at home.
I agree though that the team has no hunger to win. There is no motivation by the fringe players to show their worth when the regulars are missing.
Suga3 – I didn’t even mention Wenger in relation to O’neill what are you on about ?!
jo,
by the way, we think that Diaby, Fabianski, Almunia ans Silvestre are shit too! so there, we are not scapegoating anyone
and on this note, I’m off
Keyser agreed…but I think the top 2 dropped some points after Birmingham?
In fairness if we won all those matches I reckon we would be second on goal difference right now above Utd.
I would rather see the youth play with hunger and desire than the “given up” performances we are seeing now.
Keyser,
I was referring to Villa ‘taking 4th from us’ last season and stated why I think they lost out…
and the game was Spuds at home – 3:0 and cruising…
it’s the crisis time that needs animated reactions IMO…
I think only spurs can knock us down to 4th but they have to win their last 2 games. City if they win their last 2 will still be only 4th despite having the same points as us because we have a better GD.
Stu – It’s not just motivationor hunger though is it, it’s annoys me that people somehow think that there’s no possible way we could ever lose games like these.
Chelsea are top of the league, they went with almost full squads and with everything to play for, lost to Wigan and drew to Blackburn, we had loads of players missing, if we go into next season with just as many players missing who’s expecting us to push on ?!
I don’t get it sometimes, all year they say all these players are shite, and then they sound surprised when they don’t quite meet expectations.
Keyser
Is this season a success or a failure.
Im off..night all.
Suga3 – We were talking about something completely different, the importance of the FA Cup, they didn’t take 4th because they weren’t good enough, we were, simple as, I bet you’ve used that figure of speech before.
Mate you’ve said the season was already over, that wasn’t really a crisis time was it ?!
Keyser,
‘I don’t get it sometimes, all year they say all these players are shite, and then they sound surprised when they don’t quite meet expectations’
these players ARE shite, I am not expoecting zilch from them, problem is, I am not Arsenal manager…
this time, I’m really off
when we humiliated Spuds at the Emirates, it was far from crisis – I just hoped AW will maintain this level of passion…
nite!
David – It’s a failure because we didn’t win anything, thats what you think is the right answer ?!
It seems like a nothing season really, it’s like when Pedro says if we compete to the final day he’ll be happy, we didn’t.
You can look at it however way you want, if 1st is success, then you can either rank 3rd as failure or just not as successful as you wanted to be.
No Keyser
Im not goading you i just want your honest opinion.
Seems you havent really answered the question.
I haven’t bought into anything Keyser, the evidence is before us. We haven’t improved that much over last season while the teams ahead of us were weaker. We need a GK, 1 CB (if Gallas stays, 2 if he goes), and a striker at the very, very least. That’s more than 1 or 2. That’s what I am saying.
Except for the second game v. Porto, I don’t think we have played really well since the draw with Everton. We’ve gutted out a few wins with late goals in that period but have not been playing the free-flowing attacking football. As soon as we play quality sides, the weaknesses have come out. The sad thing is that once the CL was over the team lost focus and motivation and started giving games away to bad teams. Frankly, when we did not make moves for GK and striker at the beginning of the January transfer window, our chances for silverware this year dimmed.
What’s your answer ?!
It’s not a simple answer for me, if you pushed me I’d say failure, but it’s like life, you can do all the right things in any given situation and still end up lying in a pool of your own blood because Life’s unfair like that.
the free flowing attacking football we played in the first two-three months of the season.
Limestonegunner – You say the teams ahead of us were weaker, but how exactly ? Chelsea have scored a record number of goals, Rooney and Drogba are fighting it out for the top scorers title and Lampard has scored another 20 goals in a season.
I’ve said we need around three, one for defence, one for midfield and Chamkah is supposedly coming in.
You’ve highlighted the exit from the Champions League as the point where we lost focus and motivation and I agree, but that also nicely co-incides with us losing about 6 first team players.
It’s like I said above, Drogba and Rooney are fighting it out for the top scorers chart, we haven’t had a striker fit enough all season to be competing with them, but Fabregas was our key player, as soon as he started to fade and then finally broke his leg it was over for me.
The free flowing football started to go when we lost Van Persie, and we’ve lost player after player to injury since.
Oh so now it is “around three.” Well in that case, since you have changed your position from what you said in comments a couple hours ago above, there really isn’t an argument, since that is what I detailed already.
All I said about CL was that you cannot only highlight the injuries. Last year we collapsed after going out of the CL in humiliating fashion to ManU, which exposed weaknesses that haven’t been properly addressed. That’s all–I’m suggesting that you inform your analysis by a wider range of factors than just injuries in fantasizing about what would have been possible the rest of this season. I suggest that the defeat itself, apart from the injuries, had a demoralizing effect.
You don’t seem to pay very close attention to what others are saying. Perhaps you don’t need to take such an argumentative stance.
Since you agree that RvP’s injury was very significant, you might be willing to acknowledge that failing to get a striker at the beginning of the window was itself a crucial turning point. We might have been able to keep playing the style of football that had been at least more successful if we weren’t playing Arshavin as CF for a month.
Good night Grovers!
Well obviously im going to say its a failure because I judge improvement by what happens on the pitch.
I dont really see much improvement from last year and losing RVP is a smokescreen.
The reality is that this team stopped fighting, stopped pressing from the front which was the whole purpose of the new formation and virtually didnt show up about 90% of the times we really needed a win.
The only thing we’ve succeed in is proving the pundits wrong a few times…but its been the sort of season that kept giving us chances to redeem ourselves. I doubt we will ever have that kinda luxury again.
Limestonegooner – Come on mate, I didn’t exactly engrave it into a stone tableau, you said in response you might’ve agreed with two or three quality signings several weeks ago, and I just went from there.
Look it wasn’t mean’t to be an argumentative stance, we’re just discussing football, which is pretty much the whole point of anyone posting on this site,sorry maybe I need to look at how I word things.
I do pay attention, and if you weigh up the actual factors what’s more demoralising towards the teams chances, the defeat to what is only going to be a team of very high quality since it’s the knockout stages, or losing 4 key players in one game ?! You’re also playing another two extra games when we needed rest.
I’d say it’s a lot less of an effort to lift yourself for games against teams like West Ham, especially when you’ve had time in between to recover. We had a pretty good run in if we had kept players fit, and we might’ve done if we hadn’t have had two massive games against Barcelona to play, massive in both aspects mental and physical.
David – You can’t just look at it like that, we also took almost all of those chances to redeem ourselves no matter what problem we faced. How do you get 90% of the time ? You have to fight for the chance in the first place.
I don’t understand the smokescreen comment, we’ve scored far more goals this year, having Van Persie fit would’ve mean’t a far more cohesive unit up front and even if we hadn’t have scored as many we might’ve scored when it mattered most like he did for us last year at times.
Thats what I mean about life, look at Liverpool, if they’d had the same season as they had with Alonso the year before, they might’ve walked the league this year, but it’s just not how it works out sometimes.
Keyser
You give too much credit to the loss of one player. Yes Alonso is gone but it doesnt explain the obvious decline of Gerrald. Liverpool have looked the part when theyve had Torres and as much as I love RVP he is no Torres.
We have been more than capable of playing samba football without RVP…we beat Porto by 5 goals we played AZ Akmmar and Eduardo had a 35 yard back heel pass..with RVP on the bench and diaby scored a fantastic goal.
Its a smokescreen because I cant accept that our problems are all due to injuries…if that was the case then we are already fucked next year.
David – It’s an obvious difference though, I’m not stupid I realise Alonso isn’t the greatest player, but he was a very good fit for Liverpool, last year everything clicked for them and it probably would’ve been enough for them to lift the title this year, but thats just the way it works out.
Real Madrid will finish the season with more points than any other runner up in the history or La Liga or so one of the commentaters said, most seasons that would be good enough to win them the league easily, but sometimes it doesn’t go your way.
All our problems aren’t just attributed to injuries, but if we’d been a bit more lucky in that one area it might have been enough.
Dude we’re most probably going to be 3rd, if you listed all of our problems you could end up with a very long list, but if you corrected them all you’d end up with perfection.
We don’t need that many things to go for us to win the league, what I’m saying is that you can’t control and plan for everything that may go wrong.
Bacl to Van Persie, you say he’s no Torres, but for us he was looking like that piece we needed to complete the team, Van Persie might have been on the bench against Alkmaar, but then at least at that point we had the option of playing him when we needed him, something we haven’t had almost all season is choice.
It’s why over everything I’d take a proper pre-season with everyone fit, it could be all moot though if other teams invest shedloads in their squads.
Why was he still trying to convince us that his young Polish keeper was going to be great?
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so he dont have to spend
Fair enough Keyser
You have a strong point we are 3rd despite the multiple variables of mismanagement and bad luck.
You do need luck to win things…you also need great management. I guess this is where we will ultimately never see eye to eye on the issue but we can certainly agree. Most of the points you make are what people are saying anyways…you just chose to look at it from an unpredictability angle and throwing in various unkowns in the equations like spending power et al.
I much like people like Ethan were at this point last season and we could see the inevitable.
Which makes it all harder to swallow.
We all saw it coming after the sales of Ade.
David – Dude at the start of every season all the bookies give their odds for the likelihood of any of the teams winning the league or any other competition.
Unless we’re odds on to win something as in Arsenal are more likely to win the league than not you know what your chances are in relation to those odds.
This isn’t me it’s just the reality of it, we’re both saying the same thing here, the reason you could see it coming is because it’s that hard to win the title, and thats what I’m saying.
Some things you can see are just down to poor management, some things are down to bad luck, this year we’ve probably had quite a bit of both, this year I think you could make a case for either side. Two years ago you could point to Wenger not buying in the January transfer window because we were that close.
Also I’d say Adebayor going was probably for the best, he didn’t look like he wanted to be here and we got good money for him, this year we’ve seen where we’ve fallen short and hopefully we’ll get the right players in.
I didnt want Ade to leave without replacement.
I didnt want Bobby P to leave without replacement.
I didnt want Henry to leave without replacement.
You can see the pattern here…
But Im impressed well done. There is absolutely nothing else to add to what youve just said. Spot on.
Its a bit of both and you chose to make the case for the other side of the argument. Fair play.
David – heh, and you choose the other side ? As long as we realise the truths somewhere in between.
http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/wenger-walcott-is-developing-ahead-of-messsi
Out of all the stupid things wenger has said this season this has got to be the funniest
Selling Ade without replacement was a mistake.
Not buying in the Jan transfer window while knowing that van persie was gonna be out till end of season was criminal.
I doubt that Wenger is even gonna make three signings, but me and other gooners might think we need at least 4 signings:
GK, CB, DM, Striker and a proper and proven finisher in the range of 20 million.
All this excluding Chamakh, so make it 5 signings.
Pls ignore KEYSER..his was branded as retard and are branded No.1 fan of Arsene Wenger at the SUN Forum.
We should continue to discuss for the Protest this weekend.
Thanks
Mornin’ beeetches……..
Have we got a conclusion what should be done as this weekend is the last chance too show how we feel about the team.
I think first of all the ‘In Arsene we trust’ Banner shoudn’t be there.If the board notice that it speak thousand words!
Good morning all!
Shitty win
Draw
Spuds win
first two will take monkey of our back!
You know what i fund unforgiveable? Many, many things my friends, like the continued use of our troops out in rag head land to back up those fuckwit useless yanks, but that’s for another day…….
What i really, truly find unforgiveable, is the fact that Arsene Wenger could’ve made a difference, could’ve made things happen this season. The way the league was poised in January, it was there for the taking people. He went and got Sol, a freebie, but god forbid spending on someone. What was needed above all other things was a striker, and he sat on his mound of money and did fuck all, Instead he lauded the return of Bentner, fuck me if you ignore the fact that up and ’til January he’d scored ONE fucking league goal. And, this was the fella that was drive us on to league glory. Tell me this, when people were giving Theo shit for being shit, AW quickly jumped to his defence, stating that the player will need six to eight weeks to get back to his best (whatever the fuck that actually is), however Bentner was coming back from an even longer layoff, yet the very same manager decided not to spend any money on a striker because of Bentner, does anyone not see the insanity of these two examples???? Then there’s Vela, fucking hell (again), the very same player Wenger bigged up as his reason for not replacing Ade, fucking liar, sit on the money mate, don’t show any ambition, don’t be proactive anymore, don’t make a difference, and when all the financials comne out again we can all wet ourselves at how well run the club is, but tell me guys, hand on heart, whould spending £10, £15 or even £20m of our vast resources on a qualilty striker in January make that much difference to our financial standing? Maybe, maybe not, but Wenger’s missed a trick yet again, we could be winning the league this weekend for one fucking signing. My true feeling about this lad from Bordeaux is that he’s coming this summer because he’s fucking free. Why buy him in August when he would have cost £10m when you can have him for free a year later. The trouble is we needed a striker NOW not next fucking year.
GOODMORNING EVERYONE…LOOKING FORWARD TO THE SPURS -CITY GAME AND PRAY FOR A DRAW.
By the way is it true we are signing Joe Hart…that would be great as City are just about to sign Buffon.
Meanwhile our first signing Chamakh has spoken.
http://www.imscouting.com/global-news-article/Chamakh-set-for-Arsenal-in-11-days-rejected-offers-from-Liverpool-and-Spurs-/7527/
Evening DDM bnsb smudger & AK
Just on your points DDM re a £10-25 million signing. If a player is to cost that much, combined with Le Gaffers apparent eagle eye for talent, surely The Club financials would be boosted by shirt sales, etc, etc. Sort of a mini example of Ronaldo going to Real. Wouldn’t that make economic success, maybe even boost the coffers.
…….sort of a nothing lost, but a Title gained type scenario.
gg9, We make pittance from shirt sales.
bnsb
obviously we haven’t got those big names to stick on the back of the shirts, to attarct the gooner faithful.
.. and the monetary difference for team winning league and say and third is not that much, remember TV money is shared equally between all clubs.
gg9, Sorry, Gooner fans too are skint like our manager
I was always told, to make money you need to spend it. Here we had a brave new world of going forth & multiplying the seat numbers/turnover per home game by building the stadium, then as soon as its put in place, the Board go all meally minded & take on a spend thrift attitude.
gg9, Earn money, spend wisely and save carefully for the rainy days. NOT beg, steal or borrow, buy players and pay their wages. Grudgingly I must admit, we have opted for the first. But times would change and I hope that it is this summer.
By the way what is going on with British indoor sports nowadays. We are starting to get on top of you @ snooker & arrows. Is there a world dominoes league as well, and shove hapenny
gg9 – Surely it’s about winning the league, everything else falls into place after that, mechandise, new supporters, advertising/marketing interest………;all these areas get a boost if you are the Englinsh Premier League Champions, you ca
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gg9 – Surely it’s about winning the league, everything else falls into place after that, mechandise, new supporters, advertising/marketing interest………;all these areas get a boost if you are the Englinsh Premier League Champions, you can negotiate from a much more powerful position. So, “saving” £10-£20m upfront may well be a false economy……. But, what do i know, i just want footballing success for once………
DDM
Dennis,Right… winning things you gain supporter.
You must not write off alot of people start follows arsenal during the invincible years.Or 2 years before it.During then at Far east/africa/middle east,Arsenal supporter start to growth..that’s how Manchester Utd became the biggest club in the world and generate most profits worldwide.
They spend on players and make sure the continuity of winning things.Some big picture Arsene failed to see.
And sad to say the support dies down in recent years.
Chelsea started to growth more.
ddm, Chicken or egg logic, which one comes first. People have borrowed to the hilt thinking that success would generate future revenue. Results are well documented.
bnsb
No one is wanting The Club to go like manure have over 10 years or so, just spend the £50-75 million available on real quality. An outlay like that isn’t too drastic compared to the turnover it could generate, & the cream is multiple Titles; kids learn from having quality players around them. Afterall, we aren’t that far off the pace, when the boys are showing some backbone.
After the invincible we could have go on and might have take over United share for the most profits globally.However Arsene have other things on mind.
By slowly selling the core of the team one by one.
Begins with Viera..the class never was replace each one of them.If by the logic of how Fergi manage things..Viera,Henry,Pires wouldn’t have been sold till even today.Its about the understanding and the blending and balancing which makes a successful squad that dominates the scene for about 2 decades now.
What Arsene sees is short term profits.Selling Viera henry etc while they still has the value.But he seriously have no idea what winning things is all about and how to go about it and maintain it.
He destroyed the nearly dominance and now the team is worse than before his time.
I cant anyhow see we will ever win things again.When he dont have what he inherited the moment he came here 10 years ago.(The best English defence,and Bergkamp)
RIP arsenal!
GG. Who holds that little urn containing a burnt stump?
gg9, I agree with you to a certain extent. What if the money spent turns out to a Berbatov + Aquilani. What guarantee is there, you get another Vermaelen or Arsha.
Someone mention the kids have no one to look upon too which is right.Fabregas get to grow to what he became having played alongside with greats like Pires,Viera,bergkamp Henry ( i mean the invincible squad)..But if you look at today kids in our team..who they will learn and growth along with?Fabianski have to learn from almunia Lol that’s one example why both the goalie are shit.
Ha Ha Evening BR, yes I guess the answer is Blighty. But don’t mention it on here, cricket gets the fur bristling on the back of the bears neck, you should know that.
bnsb – Arsene Knows……how to spot talent
Smithlan. Whilst I agree with much of what you say, what stopped us competing was Money.
MU players that cost more than our most expensive player ever (Wiltord?)….. Rooney, Ferdinand, Berbatov, Nani, Anderson, Vidic, Hargreaves, Carrick, Valencia etc.
I won’t even start with the Chavs and MC.
But it is clear that spending top money brings titles. If it is true and not just statistics that we are in the top 3 most profitable clubs in World football, then it is time to show some financial muscle.
Who’s talking about borrowing??? WTF! So, you think we really can’t afford one single player who would cost £10-£20m……..We sit on vast sums of equity just earning interest at the moment. But, don’t worry, this time next year project freebie will have failed again, the board and Wenger will have fucked off with their money and us Gooners will be left to carry on…….
Carry on Gooners sounds like a movie title.
It is always east to point out the highly priced failures. But in the cases of Sheva a, Veron and Aquilani, they hadn’t PL experience.
Berbs is a great player in the wrong team, and a very strange signing by SAF. MU players work non-stop which is hardly Berbs game!
Why not look at the successes. Drogba, Rooney, Ferdinand, Anelka, Cech, Carvalho, Tevez, Essien etc etc?
I agree DDM. Splash the cash and bring some anticipation for next season.
bnsb Says:
May 5, 2010 at 08:14
gg9, I agree with you to a certain extent. What if the money spent turns out to a Berbatov + Aquilani. What guarantee is there, you get another Vermaelen or Arsha.
It’s called speculate to accumulate, it’s the difference between a club with ambitions and a club that has little or none. Honestly with that attitude/frame of no wonder we’re standing still as a club….
Yep I agree, its time to spend.
attitude/frame of mind
http://desigunner.wordpress.com/2010/05/04/blackburn-goals-analysis-using-snapshots/
We need to get at least 4 players. A goalkeeper (Hart/someone competent), A defender (Zapata, Chiellini… with athletic presence), Midfield (I would go with Scott Parker for workrate), Striker (Chamakh)… and if Wenger had balls… a winger— Di Maria.
Wasn’t Ferguson hoping Berbatov was going to turn into the new Cantona?
There is no guarantee we will win the league. May be we would avoid losses against teams like Wigan and Blackburn.
By far Wengers greatest weapon is his ability to spot good players for great prices and make them great.
It makes no sense for him to not use this weapon, as he has in the last few years.
With £50m net expenditure he could do more damage than any manager out there, yet I expect him to just spend whatever he raises again.
Arsene Wenger stated that The Arsenal was punching above its weight, hence he orchestrated the building of a stadium. Now The Arsenal has the 3rd highest turnover in footy.
Its time to spend!!
The point is “we could still be standing still club” even after spending 40 to 50 million, ending up second or third.
7 Players IMO Yon
7 Players IMO Yon
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Not gonna happen. Period (just to be sure)
bnsb
But by not spending it we are GUARANTEED to be standing still.
There are literally only 2 reasons why a club should not spend money
1- There are no better players
2- They cant afford it
Quite clearly none of these apply to us.
Arsene wenger not just that he will no longer win title.
I see him as a barrier and stand in the way for this club to move on.
We must make the board hear us and apply pressure or remove Arsene should he not deliver for coming season.
The other 19 manager in Premier league,20 in Serie A/spain/German anywhere else have their works base on performance and they have a job to deliver results.
Strange thing in Arsenal is the only club where you can still work your way a you wish.Winning anything or not Arsene will get a new contract next season.The board is just waiting.That is a shame and the one who suffered most is no one but the paying fans.Knowing how frustrated they are,they still need to support.Shame and pity.
gg9, Arsenal has one of the biggest spend on wages AND salaries. Is it well spent is the question.
Who dares, wins!!!!
smith alan – You have earned name and fame on The Sun forum. Why dont you stick there. We have enough of visionaries here. This place is already crowded.
This is so clear that Dunn and Samba push Campbell backwards into Fabianski.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=if2WkkgLW_U
I maintain that we need a high profile signing. To be a World force, we have to have big name players.
Right now we have one CF4, and potentially Theo (please come good young man).
Wenger’s parsimony and eye for a deal is famous, but can’t I live in the fantasy that we can sign a David Villa type player at least until the start of next season?.
But by not spending it we are GUARANTEED to be standing still.
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Nope, we could slide – a la Pool/Everton. I am genuinely worried about that Treadmill scenario. Spend to be in the same place, dont, you slide.
bnsb youre loving that “visionaries” thing aint you.
No question both goals conceded were fouls. Piss poor officiating.
But and this is a huge but, Rovers were better than us throughout the second half, and quite frankly, that is not good enough. Even for our reserve team.
You never know, Chamukh or Bendtner could be our Villa
Theo is not a world force, he wouldnt be a force in the conference.
bnsb, also if Wenger cant use that kind of money (£40-50m) to improve us then you have to question if he’s the right man for the job really.
We paid £130million off of our loan last year, we had more than enough to invest, he has had 5 years to buy good youth prospects, he has failed unless you think Vela, Denilson, Fabianski and Diaby are world class.
We had a 17 year loan, we don’t get awards for paying it off double quick, and what’s the point if our only investment is hiking up wages for average players?
Morning all!
gambon, Nothing personal, mate. But brought a chuckle on you, I hope.
That ‘visionaries’ comment was my favourite from yesterday.
Does Joe Hart speak French?
No but he is an Arsenal fan.
bnsb – If it ain’t broken, don’t fix it. The trouble is it is broken!! So, the time is right to fix it, unless of course you’re happy with finishing 3rd/4th every year with no real chance of actually winning the prize……..
Geoff, Sigh.
We paid 130 million of real estate loan from real estate sale. Not a single penny from elsewhere.
We did not prepay single penny extra of stadium loan which is a mortgage loan. In other words we did not pay a penny “double quick”
And Pedro game me an award for saying this. fact
Surely we don’t want Arsenal fans playing for us…… they might care about wearing the shirt!
BR, you’ve obviously “never played football before” to quote Pedro.
ddm
I am not happy finishing third/fourth
I am worried about finishing lower.
I dont think buying two or three or more random is the solution
I dont believe in theory of clear out
I STRONGLY believe we must add to our squad and NOT replace unless someone (Gallas?) leaves.
No, I am not a visionary, I do wear specs.
I did not type it on a I-phone or I-pad
Cmon Citeh.
Greetings Gooner Nation
bnsb
We need to add to our squad, but we first need to clear out players who are not good enough.
We have at least 6 to 9 first teamers who are not good enough.
They need to be replaced by class transfers, and up and coming youth who have real quality (Ramsey,Wilsherse,Gibby,Chesney)
http://www.imscouting.com/global-news-article/Arsenal-target-Mamadou-Sakho-hints-at-PSG-exit/7538/?
We have at least 6 to 9 first teamers who are not good enough.
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Aah, the marmites!
bnsb
Let a true visionary hit you with some knowledge!!..
- We have a huge squad, we should absolutely be selling the dross.
- There is a limit on the size of the squad next season, so theres no way we can just add players
- We have a too many OK, but not great youngsters on the books that we should clear out
7 in, 15 Out
Lets do a banner saying that!
Morning,
Late post or a glitch again as a few days back?
WG says he will be fit for the WC.
Great…….
If Arsenal Board members are reading theis Banners and white kerchief would already be banned.
Has Gallas packed his suitcase and canceled return ticket to London
I didn’t think anyone was going?
bloo mooon!!!…hes got a twitch!!
7 in, 15 Out!
Lol i love that gambon
u r in that 15 lol
just what we need stonroy – another potential superstar
I think the banner will not be remove.
How about another banner? Serious
What will the quote be ? lets discuss..
so the manager is staying til 2013 and getting a pay rise, nice work arsenal.
Gallas has “cleared out his locker”
gt
Where did you see that?
gambon, 14 more to go
Wenger extending his contract would be a dark day for the Arsenal.
Morning all, I don’t know where Pedro is so I’ll post my own post. New post.
goal.com- i am fairly sure its a done deal, sums it all up bnsb.
Watch Capello add Wilshere to the World Cup squad and drop Walcott.