Here with the exclusives, as always, Le Grove can reveal the first official shots of the news kits.
Don’t ask how I got them, but it turns out the American kit makers aren’t too launch bothered about launching through unofficial channels. Why give Arsenal.com the exclusive when you can give it to a blog who’ll give you a fraction of the exposure!
As you can see, Arsenal are back to white sleeves… mainly because we normally have white sleeves. We’re sticking with the Arsenal logo and the sponsor… because we have to. We’re also going to go with a 1971 style shirt to celebrate our 125th year anniversary because I can’t find a colour picture of an older shirt to photoshop.
The away kit runs along similar lines to last years with the addition of some snazzy lightning bolts, a classy spread collar with double stitched buttons for playing those pesky shirt tugging Mancs.
Enjoy the pics… keep em’ crossed that Eboue isn’t too peeved at me for breaching his confidence!
Oops, did I just give away my source?
Anyone caught palming this off as their own exclusive will be sued.
No use trying to hide your face Diaby... busted!
Onto the serious stuff…
After reading the bile spouted by one of the most ridiculous, self promoting, calamitous referee of the last twenty years, plus the revelations long time Grover Chary uncovered over at ArsenalArsenal, I started wondering… why do referees hate us?
Well, an obvious, yet controversial conclusion would be to point out the fact that all referees are English. Yep, it’s in the rules. We don’t allow foreigners to ref our games.
So, the simple solution for Arsenal getting back in the refs good books would be to remove our foreign players and get some good old British stalwarts in. Alternatively, we could send our players on a ‘How to win friends and influence people’ course in the hope they can socialise their way into refs phonebooks. You know, like the United and Chelsea players have done.
Or, we could take a step back and review an earlier line in this post.
‘Yep, it’s in the rules. We don’t allow foreigners to ref our games.’
Yes, you read that correctly, your eyes were not deceiving you.
NO FOREIGNERS ALLOWED
Sorry Mr Rossetti, despite being the best at what you do in the world, despite Italy being a member state of the European Union, you can’t referee today’s game, because you son, are a Johnny Foreigner.
Now excuse me for being ignorant but I thought one of the main benefits of being part of the EU was the freedom to work where you like within the member states?
I thought I’d check the EU website and this is what it says,
‘Firstly, the EU Treaty has always provided for some basic freedoms, such as freedom to work and travel around the EU’
So if that was true, then there is no way I’d find any press releases on the Official Referees website (PGMOL) that contradict EU Law?
Wrong.
“There are no discussions regarding the use of foreign officials in the English game and the Professional Game Match Officials Ltd (PGMOL) has no plans to do so.”
Cast your minds back to last year when UEFA were told by the EU they can’t discriminate on grounds of nationality with players.
“The parliament calls on the member states and sports associations not to introduce new rules that create direct discrimination based on nationality, such as FIFA’s 6+5.”
If the EU won’t allow clubs to discriminate based on nationality, why do they allow the referees association? That stinks of hypocrisy to me.
You’ve got ex-referees talking in the national press about Arsenal’s lack of British players plus the obvious lack of decisions we get in games. Every time Arsene Wenger makes a comment about a bad refereeing decision, there is an article from Graham Poll slamming him. Where are the Graham Poll articles hammering Steven Gerrard after he dives? Where are Graham Poll’s two pennies when Alex Ferguson takes a pop at refereeing fraternity EVERY WEEK!
Seems Mr Poll (and Jeff Winter) is only interested in slating Arsenal players or foreigners… that has to filter down to the referees still in the game. I feel we’re getting a sneaky peak into the mindset/culture amongst British refs when it comes to foreign teams/players/managers.
Arsene Wenger alluded to the close relationship refs seem to have with the Brit pack a few months ago after watching Alan Wiley refer to Rooney as ‘Wazza’.
‘‘I believe for them [referees] to do their job to do their job in an objective way they have to keep their distance as much as possible. From the players, from the English national players and from the managers.’
That statement couldn’t be truer and it couldn’t be any more evident.
Teams with a British core have an unfair advantage over teams that choose to look abroad in their quest for Premiership dominance. This is unfair and by the looks of it, against the law.
How long before someone picks up on this and puts an end to this injustice?
* The Times nicked our Sorenson story a few weeks back, so hopefully, not too long!
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Gambon to be fair the player of the year trophies are very opiniated…..based on 39 goals 14 assists and being invincible..Henry hould have won for that year…..
Latin players almost always win those player of the year awards…..so I dont even count that….
Also its not as if Ronaldo single handedly did that..Manure have a very strong defensive base….even when we were at our height I dont think we payed as much attention to defending as Manure and Chelsea do, so that always came back to haunt us somewhat…
goonermichael
I dont know if you have trouble reading but i never said that at all.
gambon – Comparitively ? Henry had won the World Cup and the European Championship before that age.
You’ve just heralded Rooney as probably future Ballon d’Or winner and then gone on to say Ronaldo took United to those Premiership and Champions League titles.
Comparitively, Rooney scored 18 goals in 43 games in the 07-08 season, Tevez scored 19 in 48 in the 07-08 season.
Rooney without Ronaldo has 27 goals in 35 games alone this season, Tevez at Man Citeh has already scored 19 goals in 30 games this season.
It’s like saying Ronaldo’s got 18 goals in 19 games this season, thats a goal a game almost he must be the greatest, without mentioning he plays alongside Kaka and in the most expensively assembled side in History.
west ham aren’t that good really are they?
Chamakh is just decent player…nothing more.
And I am outraged Arsene threw away the season to get an Average player like that.
How did he fair against the English Ref Howard Webb?
Couldnt really stay on his feet with his back against defense…link up play is fantastic…but certainly doesnt look like scoring unless you cross to him.
gambon that was a wind up
Keyser
Your whole post makes virtually no sense, but nice try.
nedved won player of the year that was a fucking disgrace
West Ham didn’t play Parker, fearing a suspension for yellow cards. He was 1 away. Cunts.
Gambon, 01-03 was CL
Nedved was awesome. Maybe it was a tough year!
Manure play on…..when a West Ham defender lay on the ground……….
Fucking pieces of shit and the commenatators and media dont care…….
gambon – Poor effort there, it’d be nice if you were to tell me why ?!
Henry had won the World Cup and European Championship at a younger age, Ronaldo may never do that.
Rooney right now might be on Ballon d’Or form, Ronaldo had both him and Tevez sacrificing themselves to help him achieve what he did.
The same with Kaka now.
Keyser
I agree, and Henry had a team built around him. Thats what you do with a world class player.
Youre only arguing to defend the honour of Arsenal. if I said UTD had a bigger stadium than us you would probably try to argue the point.
Yeah Keyser..its so obvious….Ronaldo had not one but two players sacrificing their game to suit him…
For me a truly great player brings the best out in his teamates and as well as himself….
Pele did that, Maradona I think did that too….
Bergkamp did that
Zidane did that, Ronaldo de Lima(somewhat), Ronaldinho definetely did as well…..and Lionel Messi does it much more than Cristiano for sure…
gambon – Then you should be able to argue your point back, what you’re doing is like me saying ‘gambon you’re a retard’ why ? Well because my point’s better than yours and your a closet United fan.
“But Ronaldo is probably better, and what he did in 07/08 Henry has never gotten anywhere near.”
Thats just complete bullshit.
Henry helped get the best out of ljungberg, pires, vieira, bergkamp.
Ronaldo is an incredibly talented, but very selfish and individualistic player who stifles everyone he plays with.
Henry and Ronaldo are opposites in that respect.
If Henry had been that selfish and individualistic he would’ve scored more goals than Ronaldo did, and Pires/Ljungberg/Bergkamp would’ve suffered from it, just as Rooney did at Utd, and Kaka et al are doing at Madrid
Totally agree GM. The year Nedved won it, TH was head & shoulders the best in the World.
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West ham are shit
Raddy
If you look at the winners thay always come from Italy and Spain except for Owen and ladyboy if I remember rightly.
so has nayone seen this chamack player how good is he realy
Theme Song To Arsene Wenger…
This Summer no Fucking About Arsene.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjNBC4mC5y4&feature=channel
OK Keyser,
I will totally agree with you if you can tell me the last time Henry scored 42 goals, won Euro & World player of the year & scored in a CL final was?
No…didnt think so.
I can understand you not agreeing with it, but to say its ‘complete bullshit’ is well complete bullshit.
Or lets look at this season;
Henry ; 3 in 21
Ronaldo; 18 in 19
fuckin west ham … piece of shit team …
don’t hold your breath David
“WHU are shit” ….. nothing new there!
This “next Bergkamp” kid we’re after does have some classy moments. Seems like he does his roulettes with very little effort. His shots look natural and effortless as well.
http://www.101greatgoals.com/videodisplay/4847182/
Well, according to the pundit on Sky Sports, Chamkh is a quality player and will add something we dont have…. A striker!!
A;
Totally agree. Henry was a very unselfish player, the amount of assists he made as well as goals he scored himself were amazing.
Rooney aint as good as CRonaldo though, he’s had a good season,l but what with the English media’s help, he will soon be talked about as the best player in the world, which is bollocks really…
A..it was not only Rooney that suffered….
Teves suffered as well…..
Teves did not score many goals at Manure..but he scored important goals for them…..he started slowly at Man City but now Teves is scoring alot of goals for them…
So 2 player stats suffered in order for Cristiano to build his….
Ladyboy comes from very near Spain, and Owen was a mistake
Did we really expect UTD to drop points tonight?
They will certainly slip up again this season, but WHU at home was never gonna be that.
Its just to obvious that 4th was our target again this season. Fuckin’ Mugs.
Once again…theyre happy to keep it close and say we were just 4 points from winning the Leauge.
Fucking Mug…I want to win the league by 10 points not lose it by chicken change.
gambon winning player of the year is a subjective thing becuase it’a a matter of opinion. when has ronaldo won a world cup an european championship?
Henry is fucked now how can you compare them this season?
ManG
Chamakh is a very good player, but I wonder if he will score enough goals, particularly in tough games where you have to take your chances.
CFs who dont score prolifically have to be damn good in other areas to make up for the lack of goals.
Gambon are you really comparing 25 year old Cristiano with 33 year old Henry…
Are you crazy?
As said before other players have to sacrifice their games for Cristiano to shine…
And dont mention the awards…they are a matter of opinion…..If they were based on stats then Henry would have won in the invincible year…
gambon – You called Pat a retard and said you were comparing ages, Henry had won the World Cup and European Championship by what age ?! Has Ronaldo done that by the same age ? Well not unless he buys himself a Delorian and some downgraded Plutonium.
Oh that doesn’t count does it ? You said Henry > Ronaldo, then oh no, he’s not, what he done in one season Henry’s never got close to, wait a min, Messi’s better, Rooney’s awesome, but ignore him the year Ronaldo was there, because Ronaldo did it on his own, the team was built around Henry, but Ronaldo managed United himself to a title and Champions League success..
The gambon bulsshit train rattles on. Hopefully Franchise is saving posts so he can quote you later on.
miserable manc cnut
Gambon;
Yeah, I was about to say the same thing…. I never thought for a minute that West ham would even be up for this tonight… A very cold night in the frozen north??? No chance!
United will drop more points no doubt about that…
Henry got 39 goals in a season, and way more assists, as well as doing much more for the team.
Far more impressive than the 42 goals in an incredibly individualistic season for Ronaldo imo
World player of the year etc means nothing, it doesn’t mean a player is any better or worse than anyone else
Henry scored 39 and did way more in a team that didn’t win the champions league, so wasn’t as good, and played less games
gambon, CR will never score 30+ and assist 20+. End of argument really. Henry did that consistently. CR has never done that.
I don’t know if it’s important but ronaldo takes it up the arse as well
…………..as well as in the mouth
I’ve been in hairdressing for 38 years and I know one when I see one.
The kid has a great shot as well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0CZG-duPx0
Chamakh a very good player? Maybe?
Certainly not the greatest goal scoring threat you would find.
Another typical Wenger signing who can play the tippy tappy football.
I was hoping for a player with a put the fucking ball behind the net attitude.
David;
Woahhhh there fella!!! Unless your name is McFly and you have just jumped out of your De Lorean flux capacity powered time machine and know what happens come May, you are being way too hasty mate!!! The season aint finished and the chavs and mancs will drop points for sure…. We just have to concentrate on our own games obviously… But still, chill fella!
Gambon;
I think Chamakh will be a far better signing than Ade and he didnt do too badly, apart from the shite attitude! Plus I dont think his only pre-requisite is to score, like RvP at the beginning of this season was doing well, without scoring goals, as the likes of Arshy, Cesc and Diaby can get the goals, his hold up play creates… Just my opinion, though… Who really knows, well, apart from David McFly!!!
Are Arshavin and Diaby back for stoke?
Keyser, ill break it down to help you understand;
- Henry is the better player overall
- Ronaldos 07/08 season was better than Henry has ever had (on an individual level)
- I think Ronaldo may end his career as a better player
- Ronaldo had achieved more at age 24 than Henry
Fuck sake Keyser!!! You used the Back to the future thing too!!!
GM:Ronaldo was the original Euro-Boy!!
rooney is man thats on fire he always been top player but he has sumprised it not think he could moan striker but is has the complete came and he is carrying manu pretty much he realy 25 goals a season player and players like henry and rvp can do the same and rinaldo i have seen winger he could carry team the way he did he is a real top top player dont get players this to often not this good
goonermichael;
Erm, probably not, althoug Eduardo will be, so all good mate!
I think we will do Stoke…
Actually, I think Arshy could well be back for the weekend…
Ahahahaaha
Ever the optimist ManG
I reckon we would finish 2nd.
If pompey go bust up…thats 6 points gone.
Gambon, Henry had the World cup and Euro at that age already. Something CR will never have.
Ronaldo’s 07/08 season, individually, was not better than Henry’s consistent 30 goal, 20 assist seasons. Overall, Henry was involved in much more goals for the team.
David;
I dont really think we can slate Wenger too much for his choice of attacking players, in the main, he has a pretty good track record there… I thought Ade would struggle to score 5 league goals a season…
Haha! Green Street is on TV! What a bag of shite that film is…
No need to worry about Pompey.
They will more than likely stay in Admin til the end of the season. If theyre gonna liquidate theyll do it in May/June.
David, for United and Chelsea as well though.
Drogba pisses all over Rooney imo. Rooney’s record against the actual good teams speaks for itself. Drogba actually has more goals/min. ratio than Rooney
David;
Well, until it is mathematically impossible, I will still feel we have a real chance… There are still some very difficult games ahead for the chavs and United, as well as us, of course, plus there is the Champions league to consider too… And the fact the chavs are imploding too!
gambon – On an individual level now ? Mate you’ve said Henry should have won a couple of Ballon D’Ors, you contradict yourself, which officially he didn’t.
Break it down as much as you want, I don’t think you fully understand yourself what you’re saying.
At age 24 Henry had achieved more Internationally then Ronaldo will probably ever achieve, you can look at it like that, or you can voice your own opinion on how good each player was.
How can you say someone didn’t come close, when they scored 3 goals less individually and wer by far the more unselfish player ?!
I was very optimistic about the tittle until the thing with Pompey.
Looking like a long shot.
We need Chelsea to lose not draw.
Green Street must have the gayest football hooligans in history…
Chavs really struggled against Wolves. 2 shots on target and 2 goals. They won’t be getting that lucky all the time. I’d be surprised if they can even draw Inter. We all know Drogba struggles against big, physical CBs, which is why he’s always shit at the ACN.
Samuel and Lucio were, and still are, very good CBs.
Pat
Im not in the least slightest bit concerned about Utd.
Aye
ManG
Youre a better man than I am then! Hope can be a horrible mistress.
Record goalscorer for club and country. Don’t give me this CR is a winger bullshit either.
Henry even played deeper than him!!!
ManG
Its funny isnt it. The Geordie bloke trying to be a proper GSE firm leader.
Such a silly film.
Honestly i dont understand why we are having this CR and Henry debate.
There is no question who is the better player.
Ronaldo would never have another season like he did in 07.
That was a one-off. Henry however was always consistent.
David;
Oh it is fella, it is!
Pat;
I always thought Samuel was a fucking top top class CB…. Only at Real Madrid could a player like that be made to look shite!
that cunt rooney got 2 goals again
Keyser/Pat
Youre comparing what Henry achieved in his career with what Ronaldo has done at 24. Which is a bit silly/unfair.
Also Henry wasnt even first choice for Les Blues in WC98 so that is irrelevant, he had no effect on them winning, where as Ronaldo single handedly won them trophies at the age of 22/23 which is incredible.
David
Fitness is the only thing stopping Ronaldo haveing one of them seasons right now.
gambon – Heh, you’re bored, I feel silly now, it’s soo easy to wind us Arsenal fans up. The net eh, so hard to tell online.
Yeah Pat Ronaldo had license to roam anywhere he wanted ….unlike Valencia who stays on the fucking wing….
Valencia is setting up a lot of Rooneys goals though..maybe he is the one that should get injured…
2 wide open against Milan and 2 wide open today. Awful, awful defending.
fitness and attitude gambon….
Ronaldo has the natural ability to be as good if not better than Henry, but nowhere near the intelligence or attitude to get near that level imo
Stéphane Guivarc’h must be a better player than CRonaldo…
pat i think you will find that prior to this season rooney was guilty of doing to much and fergi said several times rooney needed to alot more selfish he tracked back in defence played in midfield play wide very work horse he is kind of player i would love at arsenal the difference this season he told to higher up the pitch and concentrate on just being loan striker so although drgba has better stats than him he tended to alot more dragba
Gambon…you said Ronaldo single handedly won Manure trophies….
Hell fucking NO!!!!
1. Rooney and Teves sacrificed their games and did all the hard work and tackling…
2. Manure have a very good defense and goal keeper over those years…
Manure mainly bases their game on defensive solidity first….they are not like us who say ” we will out score you” If they were that type of team..then yeah I would agree that Ronaldo did it….
BUT HE FUCKING DIDNT….
I AM NOT EVEN COMPARING RIGHT NOW..i AM JUST TALKING ABOUT CRISTIANO….HE IS THE TYPE OF PLAYER THAT CAN ONLY FLOURISH IF OTHERS IN THE TEAM SUFFER INDIVIDUALLY..
I guess it is Fergie displine. He might have told Valencia to stay at by line. That creates lot space and he is very good at that.
Ja_Gunner – He’s taking the piss, don’t get too upset.
I cannot see Pompey being allowed to fold…. It would be such a PR disaster and therefore, marketing, revenue, cache, etc for the Premier league, that they will do theur utmost to prevent that eventually from every happening…
As Gambon says, it may happen in the summer, but not a chance of it happening during the season… It would make a mockery of the claims that its the best league in the world, yadda yadda and be a huge embarrassment to boot…
Yeah I must be taking the piss;
Suggesting that the most expensive player in history, the player who was world & euro player of the year at age 23, and has scored 110 goals in his last 175 games may become a better player than Henry is just ludicrous.
Its like suggesting Ali Dia is better than george Weah.
Maurya, no its not. Staying by the touchline is Valencia’s game and always has been, even when he plays on the wing for Ecuador.
Drogba has more assists than Rooney as well. RVP does too.
The fact is that the PL will probably never see an attacking player such as Henry. Goals of a natural striker and the assists of a trequarista(however thats spelled)
You dunt run… You staaaan your grand an fite….
Fucking sooooo gay…. Hahaha!
Not quite sure why everyone goes on about Henrys assists, he had a couple of seasons where he went crazy but apart from that he was around 7 or 8.
“Also Henry wasnt even first choice for Les Blues in WC98 so that is irrelevant, he had no effect on them winning, where as Ronaldo single handedly won them trophies at the age of 22/23 which is incredible.”
gmabon – After that and you accusing me of defending Arsenla’s Honour, heh, what the fuck do you expect me to think ?!
Suggesting he may become better is one thing, writing stuff like that is taking the piss.
“We don’t leave our friends behind!!”
pat i dont think you can compare rooney rinaldo drogba these top players i have drogba and rooney at arsenal i would take those over bretana and thoe any day
Keyser
“taking the piss”
What saying Henry was a squad player at France 98…when he was.
Arsenal…. Great football, shit firm…
Gambon, again you’re just talking about goals. Take into account the amount of goals players are involved in. Kaka has assisted half of CR’s goals. Don’t know if thats true, but a friend of mine, who is a Madrid fan, told me. I’m guessing he was being sarcastic, but still.
Gambon, what does the price of a player say? Nothing. Vieira could have easily broken Zidane’s transfer record(officially), but we probably received huge offers for Henry as well. Take into account we’re talking about Madrid here who pay over the odds for everyone.
Tottenham…shit football AND a shit firm.
gambon – Saying being a World Cup winner is irrelavent, while holding up Ronaldo as the sole reason for any of Uniteds recent success.
Gambon, Henry was known for being more of an assister than a goalscorer before he even came to Arsenal.
Even at Barca. 26 goals and 13 assists last season. 36 goals including international
United scoring more goals than they ever did with CR this season. The argument that he won them trophies goes out the window there.
The defense won them the trophies.
I don’t think I’ve met any United fan who has even thought about CR being better than Henry and I know a quite a few of them.
Nice one Tariq! I missed that one fella!
Agree with Gabon on this CR9 thing. He is a very good player that in all likelihood will surpass Henry.
Its unfair to compare their International accomplishments. Henry was not 1st choice as stated above in WC’98 or Euro 2000, and at any rate, if you look at who surrounded Henry on the pitch; Zizou,Viera,Gallas,Thuram,Petit etc etc, there was so much class their which it must be said CR9 comes no where to enjoying with Portugal.
Maybe its because he has actually left Manure and gone to Madrid that my hatred for the man has started to soften. PLus I can’t believe Kaka, a player I thought with more class than Ronaldo, is looking distinctly 2nd best in that team now.
Gambon
Ronaldo was fit last season. He didnt score 30 goals.
Having had a proper look at it statistically there is no comparison.
At the same ages Ronaldo is light years ahead of Henry, its not even a debatable point.
Haha! No problem. That one stuck out the most to me
Last stat for now:
For Barca last season, Henry scored 6 goals and assisted 4 in 12 CL games.
51 goals and 29 assists for France in 117 apps.
Until it happens, which I doubt it will, CR shouldn’t even be mentioned in the same sentence as Cantona, Henry, Bergkamp, Zidane, Figo, etc.
David
Neither did Henry at age 23/24.
zeus, its not a surprise. Players become worse when they play with CR.
I still rate Kaka over him and his recent form has been better than CR’s. CR may be scoring, but Kaka has assisted his last 4 goals from open play.
Gambon, post the statistics. DOn’t just talk
Pat, i agree with the Henry thing but Bergkamp has never been anywhere near either.
* well i dont agree with the Henry thing but i can understand it, not DB10 though.
gambon – Of course it’s debatable, you just wish it wasn’t.
LOl
Gambon…In that case why dont we Mention Ade into the conversation.
At CR’s age Henry was scoring 26,22, and 33 goals and providing 11, 3, 7 assists.
After those season Henry exploded. CR already had his best season. Internationally, CR is just shit. That speaks volumes really.
A player should perform well for both. Portugal isn’t a 3rd rate team. They’ve knocked England out the past 2 times they’ve met.
Really Gambon? Why are Henry, Bergkamp, Cantona (order changed at every poll) always in the top 3 PL players of all time?
Kaka is just class personified, I am truley flabbergasted that he hasn’t looked the player of Milan. If any one of them was to settle sooner it should have been Kaka, not Cr9.
I have to say though, after watching a few Madrid games, CR9 is passing the ball a lot more than he ever did at Man Utd.
Is it possible that some of you are judging him based on what he did at Manure?
Pat – both players by age 24;
Henry;
Games; 261
Goals; 79
League Goals; 57
Individual Honours; none
Best Season; 26 in 47
Ronaldo;
Games; 323
Goals; 123
League Goals; 87
Individual Honours; World player of year, Ballon Dor, 2x FWA Player of year
Best Season; 42 in 49
Pat
Actually Zola beats bergkamp a lot of the time.
From the BBC: Note the 40% goals he was involved in directly(goal or assist). I think he holds the assist record in the PL as well.
But Bergkamp’s game is about much more than just goals, as highlighted by his tally of assists.
He has kept every team he has played in ticking over, threading passes through the eye of a needle to release team-mates with an all-seeing vision and in his first four years at Arsenal he played a part in more than 40% of their goals.
Manager Arsene Wenger has described him as having “intelligence and class” on the field.
“Class is linked to what you can do with the ball, but intelligence makes you use the technique in an efficient way. What he does, there’s always a head and a brain.”
Pat
When Henry did his run of 26,22,32
Ronaldo has done 42, 26, 18 in 19 so far.
Miles better.
Gambon, those stats prove Henry was a better goalscorer and definitely better at assisting(don’t need stats for that, its well known).
Henry with a ratio of .303 and CR with a ratio of .269. Thats including CR’s career season as I guarantee you he won’t have another one like that.
Pat
You struggle with the concept of time frames.
Lets compare the bugatti Veyron with a Ford Cortina!
Or the current olympic archery champ with Robin Hood.
Gambon, those ratios are from the years you gave me!!!!!!!
@ Gambon
Dont think you should be counting Balon dor or individual awards.
Henry was just unlucky. When he was at his peak, he was competing with Zidane, Ronaldo(the real one), Ronaldinho and Shevchenko. Still think its a travesty that he has never won the award.
The game is devoid of many stars at present, outside of Messi, Cr9 and Kaka no one really operates in that superstar stratus fare. If Thierry was at his peak now, no way he doesn’t win that award.
Oh no probs pat,
Well that means you struggle with Maths.
Pat – both players by age 24;
Henry;
Games; 261
Goals; 79
League Goals; 57
Individual Honours; none
Best Season; 26 in 47
Ronaldo;
Games; 323
Goals; 123
League Goals; 87
Individual Honours; World player of year, Ballon Dor, 2x FWA Player of year
Best Season; 42 in 49
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Ahh, my mistake I took the league goals category. But that includes CR’s career season! He will NEVER get better than that or match it. Henry’s worst was during those years and he exploded after that. CR has actually gotten worse since his 42 goal season. Now the ratios of the assists please? In terms of being involved in goals, Henry pisses all over CR.
Pat
As i said, Ronaldos goal ratio this year is better than either he or henry have ever had so the idea that he cant do it anymore couldnt be further from the truth.
As far as assists goas Henry has 53 in 261, so about 8-10 in a 40-50 game season. Not sure about Ronaldo.
As for “Henry’s worst was during those years” well thats cos he was a younger player, as was Ronaldo, hence comparing them at the same point in their careers.
Also, your stats are shady.
26 in 47, 22 in 53, and 32 in 49 equals 80 in 149 gives a ratio of .537.
CR had 118 in 302, which gives him a .391 ratio
I’m off now see you all later.
ronaldo is a cheating little cunt who’s not fit to wipe Henry’s arse let alone go anywhere near his boots. just watch videos of some of Henry’s moments of brilliance like the flick turn and goal against the mancs. he set up jeffers 3 times when he could have scored himself so that jeffers could score against his old club in the last game of the season.
Looks like 51 assists for Ronaldo in the same period.
gambon, can’t compare them now. CR doesn’t play in the PL anymore.
But those stats I just posted were up until both players were 24.
Gambon
Forlan scores loads in spain and he’s shit. Henry is fucked with a back problem and he still scored a few last year
Lol Pat
Thats the most stupid thing youve ever said, which is quite something.
Henry had 92 assists in 226 games
Lol, Pat
You just dont get it.
Pat
Are you pretending to be thick?
The 226 is his goals. The 92 is his total assists throughout his Arsenal career.
You are even reading Wiki wrong.
Gambon, what say you of the ratios? Surely they don’t lie.
.537 is much better than .391, is it not? Both were 24 years old in their Arsenal/United careers.
Pat what are you talking about.
Ive already told you the ratios up to the age of 24. Ronaldos is better than Henry.
Ah fuck you Gambon lol. I’m a bit tired. But the goal stats are correct…I think.
.537 is better than .391 and thats the stat that matters.
92 assists in 369. I got it wrong because other players don’t have 3 columns, they only have 2.
Again Pat using stats from his whole arsenalo career vs Ronaldo up to the age of 24 is ridiculous.
Ronaldo at 24 pisses all over Henry at 24.
Gambon, 26+32+22= 80. 47+53+49= 149 games. 80/149 = .537 ratio for Thierry Henry.
6+9+12+23+42+26= 118 goals. 40+50+47+53+49+53= 292. 118/292= .404 ratio for CR
Questions?
Not his whole Arsenal career you idiot. See my previous post. 3 fucking seasons, up until he was 24 vs. CR’s entire United career(24 yrs. old).
Pat
Why are you using 3 seasons for henry and 6 for ronaldo?
Henrys should read
3 + 3 + 10 + 11 + 1 + 3 + 26 + 22 = 79goals
8 + 22 + 48 + 44 + 19 + 20 + 47 + 53 = 261 games
Or you could take ronaldos equivalent seasons between 21-24
91 goals in 155 games.
Either way its better than TH
how is it fair to use Ronaldos stats from when he was 18/19 but only Henrys from when he was 22, 23 and 24?
Gambon, you’re using Henry’s Juve stats so its irrelevant. Both careers up to when they were 24 at Arsenal/United.
.537 > .404. Henry pisses all over him. Funny how you didn’t include the 32 goals season haha. You’re a Manc.
Argument was at their clubs(United and Arsenal up to when they were 24). Henry > CR, no argument really.
gambon – When did Henry turn 24 ?! ..and where have you ended your stats ?!
Why Gambon, CR still played the 40-55 odd games at that age so he was obviously a part of the team. Same amount of games as Henry actually!
Stop trying to skew stats. Age isn’t an issue if you’re good enough. CR wouldn’t get that many games if he wasn’t good enough.
keyser, its when they were 24. before their 25th birthday. Henry was 24 at the end of the 2002 season.
Ok, allowing for Henrys 01/02 season….Ronaldo still has better stats.
Ronaldo 0.38 goals per game, Henry 0.35 goals per game.
Pat mate, valiant effort, but you are so wrong.
And if we include Henrys 01/02 then you have to include some of Ronaldos stats this season.
Why even bother arguing…yeah Cristiano hit his peak earlier than TH…..thats for sure
Messi has also hit his peak at an earlier age…..
Lets see how long it lasts though…..
CR is a good player but again I say….other players suffer when he shines…..unlike Henry Messi Ronaldinho Zidane Bergkamp etc etc etc……..Those guys actually make their teammTES BETTER
AND AGAIN MANURE GAINED MOST OF THEIR SUCCESS BECAUSE THEY BASED THEIR GAME ON SOLID DEFENSE AND GOOD GOALKEEPERS…..(SCHMICHAEL & VAN DER SAR)
IT WAS A STRING 13-14 CLEAN SHEETS THAT GOT THEM THE TITLE ON MORE THAN ONE OCCASION…
Gambon, its .537 including 01-02 for Henry!!!
CR is already 25 and different team/league!
Nice effort at skewing stats you Manc, but .537 is clearly better than .404
Ja
I dont know about Messi hitting his peak early, that guy is just class.
Will go down in history as one of the best IMO
And the most important thing is those years were henry’s worst while they were CR’s best and he will never score 42 again.
ALSO WITH CR GONE..MANURE ARE ACTUALLY SCORING MORE GOALS…
THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT THEIR DEFENSE IS NOT AS GOOD THIS YEAR (BECAUSE OF INJURIES, AGE ETC….)
HOPEFULLY WE CAN OVERTAKE AGAIN IN THE GOAL SCORING STAKES ATLEAST
Pat
You have selected 3 seasons from the first 8 of Henrys career, thats called skewing stats.
Tell me their respective ratios for all games played up until their 25th birthday?!!
Oh no cos that wouldnt work too well would it.
Pat
best vs worse is retarded.
They were both young and nowhere near their peak. Ronaldo wouldve scored 40 again this year fitness permitting.