So we beat Sunderland, great stuff, we are back in the race, we have the easier run in, but we still have to put the points on the board, so what do we make of Eboue?
So the boss does his trademark smirk and says we were booing him a year ago and now we love him.
Okay, Eboue has indeed been a revelation at right back this last 2 games, but we always said he was a good right back, so what’s changed then? What is different since the Wigan game when he got booed off the pitch?
Well first of all we always said his best position was right back, not right wing, nothing’s changed there, when he got booed off, he was not playing right back, he was playing left wing and giving the ball away, I was at that game and the rumblings were beginning long before he got taken off, the rumblings were for Wenger and his crazy selection that day, Wenger subbed the sub and in my opinion cynically put Eboue there in the firing line. Yes he was woeful, but in my opinion poor old Eboue was just made the scapegoat.
Go back to my post the day after and read it! If you don’t believe me that is.
Now if Eboue plays that well in training and then plays rubbish on match days then he needs hitting hard with a cricket bat. That’s why they are paid so much, to play like he did on Saturday. Me, I would play him all the time at right back because this last two games, he has made the difference, credit where credit’s due, keep it up Eboue.
If I had to ask him a big favour though, it would be to stop the rolling around in pain rubbish, it’s the one thing that does stop him being as popular with us as he is with his team mates, stay on your feet mate, it’s not that hard.
I had a problem with a steward again, just when we said they were getting Ok, one comes out and treats me like a football hooligan, these guys need to remember who pays their wages, I let him know that, and hope he accepted it, he did look a tad shocked. Remember the days when they were just there to show you to your seat???
We’re good mates with 3 or 4 of them at Highbury, we even used to get them a beer and we knew each other by name.
Half time entertainment at the Grove
I read a letter that Paul, a Grover got from Arsenal regarding Club level next season, from next year we’ll all get a free programme, if we renew before the 8th of March, we’ll get a brass plate on out seats with our name on it, but hurry, there’s a waiting list, why do Arsenal continue to lie? If we had a waiting list, we wouldn’t be offered all these trinkets, Ivan, save your money, buy a few players that will see us competing on 4 fronts, that will see me renew, not a programme and a name plate. Bah, piffle!
A lot to think about before we play Stoke, but let’s enjoy the Sunderland win first, well played Eboue, keep it up and you could end up becoming a legend!
Have a great day Grovers, it will be a slow week I reckon!
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If we were after wide players i would take Elia or Hamsik definately.
Hamsik isn’t a wide player. He’s similar to Lampard. With more technique obviously!
Does Ozil speak French?Is he from Africa?
More technique than Lampard? Wow… he must be good!
Good point Jaguar, definately a no go.
Cedric Mongongu converted from CB to Winger it is then.
I thought Ozil was of turkish descendant, but born in Germany, could be wrong though.
A,What do you fink of David Moyes,mate?
Yeah Pedro, absolutely top class. Controversial but I reckon I’d prefer Ribery to our little Russian, though it’s a tough one, the two of them together would be nice!
Won’t happen though – Ribery will go to Barca in the summer, hopefully as their one big signing of the year, they need him much more than they need Cesc. Or they snap up Rooney, though then Utd would probably get Ribery!
Done very well with Everton Jaguar, wouldn’t want him at us though, not sure he’ll ever make it at a top top club, he’s a better version of allardyce, good at nullifying big teams and playing as the underdog
Ribery is passion Pedro…He is like a bull in full flow, he lifts a team.
And if his team mates fuck up, he will tell them….on the pitch
I think Ribery has more of a fighters attitude than Arshavin, but our Russian has a bit more creativity… more genius perhaps.
Ritesh, he’s a bit of a nutter… but if you can tame his attitude, you’ve got an amazing player on your hands.
All this project youth is crap.
Cesc Fab(snapped up from Barca)
Ramsey(poached from Cardiff)
Wilshere(the one and only one youth prospect)
Danny Gosling,Jack Rodwell,
Fellaini,Arteta,Pienaar all were picked up from obscurity,and they dont have a scouting system as good as that of us.
Conclusion.Moyes,with a shoe string budget has done better than the French hypocrite,and that too costing his club,a package lower than Le Liar.
And add to it,the French mug,was shown the middle finger by Moyes,when he made a ludicrous bid for Louis Saha.
Fellaini, Arteta and Piennar picked up from obscurity?! Sorry what?!
Fellaini cost the same as Arshavin did!
Arteta and Piennar were cheap, as their contracts were expiring, but hardly plucked from obscurity!
Agreed about Fellaini.Arteta and Pienaar offer better value for money than mugs like Denilson.
I think Fellani was 12-15m, which at time was record fee for a Belgian. Arteta 2m from Rangers and Pienaar 2m, may have been a lone signing before being made permanent.
And ofcourse French shite Shitvestre.
Fellani for £15m is much better value than Denilson at £4m, its not even close.
What about Gosling and Rodwell,A?They are true English talents.We have only one Jack Wilshere to show despite the French hypocrite’s obsession with project youth.
Whopps sorry loads of typos *loan*
And what does that have to do with project youth as well?
I’m confused there, Arteta was 23 when he joined them, Piennar 25.
Fellaini cost a bomb and was 21.
true Jaguar, but their contracts were expiring, Denilson’swasn’t
Fellaini is not the only comparison,Gambon.Pienaar would shit all over Wenker’s love child Denilson.
If wenger left us for madrid it would not be a bad thing. maybe he would swap players llke higuain,kaka and ronaldo for the likes of denilson,fabianski and almunia.
I think Moyes will get his shot at a big club, hes only 46 and has fantastic experience now.
What about them Jaguar? You think Gosling is better than theo or ramsey, he’s only a bit younger than theo, and older than ramsey? Not sure what English has to do with it either – they signed him, not like he came through the academy.
Rodwell is class, but I don’t get your point there?
Yeah I think he might get a chance gambon, though no idea how he’ll do. Totally different trying to get an underdog to overachieve compared to trying to actually win things.
I’d never want us to bring in a manager who has never won anything now that we’re a big club, unless it was someone who’d been at the club for a while behind the scenes.
Gosling is not better than Theo,Ramsey for argument’s sake.But none of them are our academy products.Apart from Jack Wilshere,none of our academy recruits are going to cut it in the premier league.
And apparently,Wenker doesnt like the attitude of Wilshere,because Wilshere has a winners attitude,which the hypocrite cant tolerate.
That’s your opinion Jaguar, how can you say who will cut it?! Gosling isn’t an academy product of Everton any more than Theo and Ramsey are for us….
Who said anything about Wilshere’s attitude?! That would worry me, he has worried me in reserves doing petulant things and lashing out at people, looks very arrogant at times, but I just wrote it off as to do with youth, didn’t see it as a serious problem.
Currently I’d expect Wilshere, Gibbs, Merida, Lansbury, Bartley, Eastmond, Traore, to make it in the prem, and a number of others have a good chance, but still very raw.
You’ve started referring to Wenger as “the hypocrite” again Jaguar, I thought you’d stopped that, as it just sounds silly and undermines any logic in your arguments as a result of how silly it sounds….
i give 2 seasons but cesc will go barc or real mardrid soon not because is unhappy at arsenal but because all his family are ever in spain and its dream move,alot people saying aa has gone of the bowl i dont think he has been playing out position as loan striker he is much better playing deeper and runnig at defenders plus the fact he has playing injured for while now as well,just dont think this has enough defensive minded midfielders what just song,diaby can play but thats wate of clear attacking ability,craig eastmond he is baby,i know there is not that many players out there but there some and delinson is evon wor thmentioning
Jaguar, you can’t compare Denilson and Fellani… that’s like me saying Fergie is a cunt because Arshavin pisses all over Park
Denilson and Fellaini,play in the same positions,Pedro.The money spent on the players speak volumes about the quality of the players(on the pitch).
I don’t know how you can say JW has more of a winners attitude than anyone else… he’s been ordinary for us this season and Coyle hasn’t played him for 2 games despite not having any creativity.
Jaguar, you have to compare first team with first team.
Song and Fallaini is a fair comparison… not Song and Denilson.
Yeah Jaguar, but Denilson was a young promising player brought in as such, and Fellaini was a club record signing!
I wouldn’t even say it’s like Park and Arshavin, it’s like saying Fergie is a shit manager because he signed Obertan, where we got Arshavin!
Just read about Tevez… I know it’s bad to hear about his daughter… but what is he doing in Argentina? Surely he owes his club some sort of explanation?
Pedro, Denilson has played 70 games in less than 2 seasons. I think the comparison is valid.
Pedro, I thought he was granted compassionate leave for the birth of his second child?
Obertan is another cheating diving French cunt,who perfectly fits the Manure traditions.
Arshavin was a player,whom Wenger broke
the club record,to save his bonuses.
If we were not rotting in the sixth place(in Jan 09),we wouldnt have seen a certain Russian dynamite playing for us.
No comparison in their cases.
Gambon, I don’t think you can compare the signing of a 15mill player to Denilson.
He’s not first choice anymore and he’s grossly out of form.
Fellaini is first choice and pivotal to their team.
Compare him to Song… fine… but not Denilson.
OK, lets compare him to song. Fellanis better.
Comparison done.
Pedro,Denilson has never been a second choice for us.He has always been Mr.Wenger’s love child.
If he hadnt committed too many childish mistakes,he would have played against the geordie scums last week.
Jaguar that’s the point, there is no comparison, just as there is no comparison with Denilson and Fellaini!
Denilson and Obertan were brought in as young, potential players, for a low transfer fee.
Fellaini and Arshavin were brought in as club record transfers, to come straight into the team.
To compare either Denilson with Fellaini, or Obertan with Arshavin, is ridiculous!
Pedro,if Song was/is our first choice DM,why the feck,did Wenker say that Song’s future is as a CB.
Fact is
Song took his chance.Denilson didnt
Wenger is fighting a losing cause,of proving his flawed obsessions right,infront of us,which he would never be able to.
He’s not first choice now Jaguar…
Nor will he be after this season.
Rambo, Diaby, Eastmond, Lansbury… all look better.
Gambon, I like Felaini, but I’m not sure he’s a massive improvement on Song.
I’d prefer a faster player. I like his aggression and his ability in the air.
Bah…so anyone think Carlton Cole and gang have any chance at OT?
Jaguar, players lose form. Last season, Denilson looked ahead of Song. This year, Denilson looks awful.
You can’t bank on players regressing that badly…
Right now Wenger’s proving we’re still in the title and that he was right… other teams will drop points.
Choy, you’ve got more chance of Jaguar saying something nice about Arsenal.
Pedro
IMO Fellani is certainly better.
Song doesnt have any qualities that Fellani doesnt have, where as Fellani has height, ariel ability, versatility & goal scoring ability that Song wont ever have.
Its all hypcorisy,Pedro.Wenger tinkered Eboue’s playing positions all around the park,only to destroy his confidence.When he was reinstated as a RB,he proved his worth last week.Now,Wenger came out and say that Eboue has proved his worth.
Who was wrong in Eboue’s case?A hypocrite who tinkered Eboue’s playing positions according to his crazy whims and fancies or a poor player who was a square peg in round hole one too many times?
Choy
Utd will drop points this season but i dont think tomorrow’s one of them days.
Pedro Says:
February 22, 2010 at 22:07
Choy, you’ve got more chance of Jaguar saying something nice about Arsenal.
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Got it a bit wrong there mate,you should have mentioned me saying something good about Wenger
Utd COULD drop points tomorrow, Cole could trouble their defence massively, and if Rooney misses chances then Utd have nothing going forward, but I still expect utd to win
Manure will come out all guns blazin, cant see them losing 2 on the spin. But they will drop more points, I’m sure.
It does not matter whether manscum drop points or not? you can bet your bottom dollar we will drop more points than them!!
One of our biggest problems in winning the league may be goal difference, it could very conceivably stand in the way of us winning it.
Jaguar, Eboue was moved up to right wing because he wasn’t good enough as a right back.
Someone made the point earlier today, he’s only playing there because he had no one to mark.
Gambon, maybe your right… I can’t defend Song as I’m not his biggest fan and I have always liked the Belgian.
Gambon, Burnley could be our chance to claw some goals back.
really reggie?!
I’d be a hell of a lot that we’ll drop less points than them the rest of the season!
Yes that the problem reggie, I see both Utd and the Chavs dropping points but so will we!
That’s meant to be bet, not be!
Stoke, Hull, Brum, Spuds, Wigan, Blackburn, none of those are gimmes away from home, but none incredibly tough
Home we have Burnley, West Ham, Wolves, City, Fulham, we shouldn’t drop any points there, City is the only toughish one
You reckon we’ll drop more points in those games though than Utd will in
West Ham (h)
Wolves (a)
Fulham (h)
Liverpool (h)
Bolton (a)
Chelsea (h)
Blackburn (a)
City (a)
Spuds (h)
Sunderland (a)
Stoke (h)
Looking at our and Utd’s results up to now this season it would be a surprise if we dropped more points than utd in our respective run ins….
I tell you A nothing would give me greater pleasure than being top dog again but with this current team whenever there is a chance abeit a very slim one they never seem to be able to capatilise on other teams dropping points,is it nerves or just inexpierence you tell me?
Good shout about Burnley Pedro, add in Wolves at home as well, hopefully we’ll really go for the jugular in both of those games, and really get our goal difference up.
Whenever the pressure is on they always fail us?
Or is it the other way round we fail them?
It’s neither reggie…. I don’t get what you mean? We’ve capitalised on other teams dropping points more or less every time it’s happened this season….
This season take away the big games, and we’ve dropped points in
Everton (h)
Villa (a)
Sunderland (a)
West Ham (a)
Burnley (a)
Those are the only 5 games we’ve dropped points in, and all of them are pretty tough games
Winning the league will mean catching Chelsea, but Utd are shite, and if we’re behind them come the end of the season i’ll eat my hat!
We’ve dropped less points in the games against the smaller teams than Chelsea and Utd, that’s a fact, and now we’ve only got games against the smaller teams left.
Pat
I agree Ozil is just like Cesc but quicker..and left footed.
He has played on the left wing for Bremen and refusing to sign a new contract…
I think if we have the right footed Cesc..and the left footed Ozil…with a deadly stiker…boy!
Yea…that being said id take Ribery over any mug on the planet. Even Messi.
But we’re trying to be realistic here!
Ribery at Arsenal next to Arshavin! That is one serious Football Hard on.
You said you would eat your hat if we fail to sign a striker in the last window?
I may be a little late on this but to compare Evertons starters with our fringe players is just retarded. Fellaini, Arteta and Pienaar would all start if all were available. Denilson would never start if we had everyone fit.
Also i dont think Fellaini (their record signing and easily the dirtiest player in the league) compares to either Song or Denilson. If anything he compares to Diaby and based on this season i would mich prefer Diaby tbh.
Rodwell is the only one of the players mentioned to be a proper academy player of Everton. Gosling may be good but we havent seen any of his bad performances, not because he doesnt have any but because they dont get highlighted when he does…like they do when an arsenal kid plays poorly.
[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhwefBd1rAQ&hl=en_GB&fs=1&]
How many hats is it you own?
Ha I did say I’d be shocked reggie, and I still am!
I can only conclude that something fucked up at the last minute, I still reckon Saha was a done deal, but dependent on Milan letting Huntelaar go to Everton, which they pulled out of when Keirrison chose Fiorentina over Milan!
Yea Gambon
Fellaini over Song…as a player but serves that cunt right for breaking his ankle trying to stomp on that greek fella.
He’s supposed to be a striker and has been a revelation as a DM.
That is Moyes imo. He’s gotten the best out of his players.
Gosling is very average but he fights like a little turret.
By not getting behind the team!!
Im not sure why we shouldnt role the dice with Moyes.
He’s a big game winner.
And i dont remember Wenger winning major honors before he came to Arsenal?
How can that video not show Eboue’s dive to get the ball for the throw in early on?!
Cana’s tackle really was disgusting, what a prick, can’t believe he didn’t get a red card
David, massively with you on that one. Give him resource and he’d do well.
He goes out to play the big teams… they ran United ragged!
role = roll
I missed Cana’s tackle was it a bad one then?
A, did you notice that MOTD didnt even bother to mention or show Canas tackle. Fucking disgusting!
To be fair Pedro
They ran us ragged too.
We need someone who does what Cana does.
We weren’t a really big club before we got Wenger David. I wouldn’t be happy with anyone who’s not won something now, and certainly not Moyes who’s an underdog manager, albeit a very good one.
Having players who are learning their trade and on the way to being top players is one thing, having a manager who’s not proven as a winner, when the manager has influence on every player and every aspect of the club, is quite another.
Now we’re a club competing at the top level of Europe every season, and should be competing for the title every season, we shouldn’t have any manager who’s not been there and done it imo, unless it’s a club legend who’s been there and learnt his trade behind the scenes, knows the ins and outs of the club etc.
I must admit, at the beginning of he season I was one of those who thought we’d be well out of contention come late Feb. I’m really pleased we’re not having to fight it out for the 4th spot with the likes of Totts, Shitty, Villa and l’pool. We’re in a good position just waiting to pounce on any little slip-ups, whilst not having to worry too much about whats happening below us. Given our injuries and lack of an out and out striker for the last few months, I think we’ve done well.
Yeah it’s an absolute piss take Stu, if that was an Arsenal player on one of them it would’ve been shown over and over again.
Fuck that gambon, I don’t want anyone playing for us that I’m disgusted at, Randall can fuck off because that’s the sort of player he is, a cunt
A… Madrid have hired Schuster and Pelligrini recently.
Barca went for Rijkaard and Guardiola.
Everton beat the mancs because they used tactics. They played counter attack mostly and took advantage of united missing their best CBs and having Neville at right back….
Truth, I’m not a fan of using injuries as an excuse…
We’ve not really done well… none of the top 4 have. Which is unusual… but makes it exciting.
Pedro, the difference between Barca and Madrid using inexperienced managers compared to if we did it is that those teams had a team full of experienced players who didnt need the manager to guide them.
If we got in someone new to management then we would collapse because neither the manager nor players would be experienced.
A, our high red card count correlated with success.
The fact is the game is physical, especially over here. A team with no physical qualities is at a massive disadvantage.
…in my opinion of course.
Everton finished 5th last season right behind yours truly.
If they continue their form..they will be sure to finish fourth as well…thats European football.
Thats achieving something. Thats making a small club into a big club.
A,
I understand what your’e saying but the way we’ve been going about these last couple years has certainly been
under-doggish. (is that a word?)
Which im fine with…but if Wenger choses to suggest we are not as big a club as the top 3 then we need someone who excels as the underdog.
Yeah Pedro, Rijkaard fair enough, though Guardiola was a club legend, i’d be fine with that. It’s different with those two clubs though, they aren’t looking for managers, players are brought in and sold over their heads, they just want coaches really!
Gambon being a dirty piece of shit like Cana who makes up for his lack of footballing ability by being a twat isn’t the same as having physical qualities.
Steve Bould then A… done deal.
Stu, Moyes can work on a budget, has worked with good players, developed them and kept a lot.
He’d be a great manager for someone.
We’ve done pretty well considering the state of affairs!
We haven’t had a proper striker/ goal keeper since nov and we’re still up there!
Pedro-It could be that the league has just got more competitive this year, all the top teams have lost 4 or more games, and its not done yet.
A, a dirty piece of shit is exactly what we need, probably more than any team in world football.
Flamini was a dirty piece of shit, and how we missed him, and still do.
Wtf did Almunia do to break his finger? And do you really recover from a broken finger in a week?
I really hate being lied to.
Gambon, I don’t think we need a dirty peice of shit… just a fighter.
Flamini wasn’t dirty… he was a terrier.
Btw, I like Randall…
David, I thought he damaged them.
Thing with broken fingers is there is nothing you can do about them. I played in goal with broken fingers.
When was the last time we had someone sent off?
Everton would need a bit of a miracle to finish 4th to be fair, their season start was really poor, and 8 points to make up, with 4 teams ahead of them is a bit of an ask, however good their form is at the moment!
It’s a different type of getting your club to overachieve though. We need a manager who knows HOW to win things imo, it’s a different mentality with a club who’s success doesn’t actually consist of winning anything, and a top club that EXPECTS success.
I disagree totally gambon, we don’t need dirtiness in the slightest, we need the opposite imo, defensive intelligence, not sure how dirtiness would help in the slightest.
David he didn’t break his finger, he twisted it I thought? He apparently had painkilling injections before the Utd game so he could play, and since then too, and he did for Sunderland game.
Canas tackle was very petulant imo (not sure thats the right word but fuck it). Its like he was pissed that Arsenal had total control of the ball and when he finally got with in touching distance of the ball he decided to take his anger out on poor Eboue. Thats not the kind of aggression this team needs.
Pedro, take that back..noone likes Randall. He is a cunt!
So he couldve played through the pain then?
No use moaning about spilt milk…i could understand if he needed a rest…but id have put Mannone on there seeing the form Fab was in before the game.
What were we talking about again? O yes Wenger/Moyes…
well…Judge him in 2 years.
That wouldve been his contract expired.
For such a man with great intelligence like Wenger…it is worrying how he choses a blind eye over the defence, striker..et all.
Just because certain fighty type players are/were nasty at times doesn’t mean the nastiness is what made them what they were.
Some players who are THAT determined are also nasty, but not all. You can have the fighty attitude without the cuntishness, just look at Tevez compared to Rooney.
I don’t believe the fightiness is what we need though, where we fall short is defensive reading of the game, we’re just incredibly naive defensively, the team don’t cover for each other apart from Song, and they don’t know when to take risks or just get rid, and that leaves us exposed.
Stu I wouldn’t even call it petulant, it was plain fuckheadish (i prefer that adjective) Eboue was raping them so Cana tried to ‘do him’, put him out of the game.
Lets not forget that Cana has about 3 red cards in his career.
We desperately need some physical power & height.
Speaking of those tackles, has everyone seen the tackle on Robbie Savage at the weekend?! Reckon it’s the worst, most disgusting tackle I’ve ever seen, absolutely ridiculous. Makes me really angry just watching it on the TV, despite it being a team I don’t care about, and on a twat in Robbie Savage. Can’t imagine what it would be like being a teammate or a fan at the game, would’ve lost it totally!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qlRMkXlZUs
It depends gambon, with Denilson, Cesc, Ramsey, Rosicky, Arshavin, Nasri I’d agree, but with Song and Diaby in the midfield with Cesc, and Bendtner up top, we’re fine for height and strength imo.
Though when they’re out I agree, we don’t have depth in those terms.
When they’re out we’re lacking in defensive intelligence overall, AND physicality, when they’re in we’re still defensively naive imo, but ok physically, even powerful to an extent.
Lol
I was just about to ask if you had a link.
That is truly appalling.
In other news.. Cole might be fired by Abramovich
Honestly that doesnt even look that bad to me. Maybe its the clarity of the clip or that in pro evo thats the only way to foul someone…on purpose..
i think the fact we are the team has had red card shows that we have enough nasties in our team,i have repeating and repeating you cant win the prem with just 1 defensive minded player who is rookie just song thats it
I wouldn’t be surprised if Savage had done something to piss him off earlier in the game, but it’s unforgivable to try and hurt someone on a football pitch that badly! He should get a good few month ban imo, 3 games is nowhere near enough.
Fun game for Sunu to make his debut in too, wonder what he was doing whilst his new teammates ran to defend Savage!
leon
what red cards?
leon…lol.
Yea mehn…we need to strengthen that is for sure.
Newsnow…I really wish Theo would just shut the fuck up and do the talking on the pitch.
I dont understand why after a less than normally shite performance Arsenal FC are acting like he ran the show.
That being said i fully expect him to rape someone
Theo and rape someone
Looks to me like they’ve just had interviews with three youngsters David, Bendtner, Ramsey, and Theo, don’t get why it’s a problem!
Stoke is gonna be interesting, didn’t realise they have a midweek game, means Wilkinson will be available for us doesn’t it? He’s bound to injure someone, he really is a nasty piece of shit! Hopefully they’ll get a delay injury midweek though, and a few reds would be nice too
In a footballing Sense…
Sorry i heard someone say that earlier and thought it was funny! DDM maybe?
I wish Theo would do the right thing and hand in a transfer request!
Speaking of strengthening..i remember recently reading an interview that Traore gave and he said that they only do about 45minutes of weight training a week. Not sure if thats actually the right amount of time that he said but its about that much.
Thats just ridiculous. I know you arent supposed to go mad on weight training for young players for obvious reasons but just 45minutes a week is nothing. It should be that a day..a few hours a week at the very least. No wonder we have so many weak players.
I said it not too long ago David, it’s well established footballing terminology!
i like song song i realy do but he far far way frinished product his passing at times is very poor but great tackler holds the bull up,he does the dirty work he commit the foul rather than a get passed him in truth in ideal world he would be on the bench playing behind top class dm and although there are not to of those around there few young players out there that in my view would better option that delinson and he has got in new coaching staff because what ever there doing on the traing ground it aint working
I really pray, wish, hope, cry we win the tittle. But if we do…I never want us to do it this way again.
Yea Stoke have the 5th FA cup tie on Tuesday?
Wilkinson is a cunt…but they shouldnt be a problem..they will tire and we will tear them apart after the hour mark.
45 mins a week isnt a problem if theyre doing the right things, but id bet theyre not.
Its also a mentality thing, a lot of our players dont strike me as killers….like Lauren & Paddy
Was reading bleacher report yesterday, an article on which arsenal players might be sold in the summer. One of the candidates was Theo. In the comment section someone said that Theo was on par with Rooney in terms of goals and assists THIS SEASON, world class and worth 20m easy.
Clearly that fuckhead doesnt know anything about our players…probably doesnt even watch us play either.
Stu – Do you do much weight training ?!
Well Theo looked bulked up coming back from injury…I doubt he was Weight training for only 45 a week!
Not sure about that Stu, would create muscle fatigue if they did weights every day…. Don’t want to do any within a couple of days of a match certainly
Yeah David, I’m not THAT worried about Stoke, but not THAT confident either!
IF we win every game we should win the league, but as every game approaches I’m just thinking if we don’t win that’s the season over, if we do win then it’s just a case of looking to the next tough game!
Lauren was a great great great player.
Fuck…I miss that team. Loved Silvinho as well on the left.
Also David – agree about the way we’ve done it, if we win the title it’ll be a really weird win!
Will mean we were absolutely amazing against the little teams over the course of the season, but still absolutely terrible against the biggest teams
They would have to do a lot of their weight training in the off season, i think its unlikely we do that.
Look at how Ronaldo & Evra have developed physically compared to say Clichy & Nasri.
Not seriously keyser but i do some whenever i go to the gym. 45minutes a week wouldnt do much..if anything imo.
I don’t think there’s much problem physically, during a season if we play an overly physical team without any of the stronger players, obviously there’s going to be a difference, but not one we shouldn’t be able to work around.
It is partly mentality, we’re too nice and some of that does come down to experience, the Hull fight was great.
We’ve gone on unbeaten runs before…but I really cant see us going 100% till the end unless we get RVP back sooner.
Oh and how long is diaby out for anyone know?
Best thing about the Hull fight — Hull got fined 40k and us only 20k even though Nasri started it. Brilliant!
Stu
99.9% of people have absolutely no clue when it comes to weight training, or training in general. (not meant to be a slight on you)
45 minutes could be fine, but as A said it would be pretty tough to train seriously from Aug-May.
Its probably very hard to combine weight training (or any meaningful weight training) within a season.
There is obviously a problem with the way we train that causes so many injuries.
Wenger said they know what the problem is.
Rectifying it is another Issue.
Arsenal FC dont like change too much.
Evra’s a few years older isn’t he ? I don’t think there’s much difference physically, he just has a more Ashley Cole mentality, Clichy at times has been superhuman, where you wonder what he’s on, he’s just more lithe.
Why are we comparing Ronaldo and Nasri ? Heh.
Stu – It’s like gambon says, I remember getting the odd person at the gym saying you do this or that and I’d go and overwork myself and just be tired afterwards.
If you sit down and read about what you’re going to do every day or get a proper trainer, you’ll see more difference in probably a month then you’ve seen over several by yourself.
stu if that true that reporter must have on crack something sorry i know thoe is a few years younger than rooney but you cant compare the 2 players because thoe can run and that it,rooney has touch vision pace power evon tracks back in defence shit lets face it if he gets injured that manu done if thoe gets injured that no big thing the huge difference right there
Keyser
Im comparing the pysicality that we have vs other teams.
Ronaldo came in as a skinny kid and became a monster. Evra bulked up enourmously.
I just dont think thats part of our agenda, where as it clearly is at Utd & Chelsea (amongst others)
Clichy’s never been a beast. He’s a work horse with incredible work rate yes…but Strong in the tackle not really.
He’s best attribute is his speed…of thought.
Yeah David, I’m not confident of us winning EVERY game, but we can’t drop any points until we’re ahead of Chelsea if we want to win the league.
Gonna be interesting to see how Chelsea do the rest of the season, they’ve got a very poor away record since their game against us, and have to play Blackburn, Utd, Spuds, Liverpool away from home, all of which are far from easy away games.
I could see them getting 4 points from those games, and our dropping 8 points out of the games against Spuds, City, Hull, Stoke, Brum, ending up on level points, and it coming down to goal difference
No idea about Diaby
Im not advocating that the players go weight crazy and burn themselves out half way through the season but other teams dont seem to let weight training affect them in terms of fitness. If our players dont do it during the season then at least they should be doing it during their summer to make up for it.
Diaby apparently did something during the summer and it certainly helped him out.
We overplay the strength side, it’s not rugby, it’s mainly about endurance, the other sides we’ve had we’ren’t especially strong, thats not what stood out, I’d say it was how fit we were as a team, we’d keep going when other teams tired, we’d be a man down and hound teams until they gave out.
Gambon
Not for the sake of arguing but Carrick and Fletcher are some of the most skinny (and ugly) players you’d find.
Not exactly bulked up but Strong in the tackle nonetheless.
David I thought Wenger said they’ve been looking into it for ages, but don’t know why there are so many injuries?
gambon I’d say that Diaby, Bendtner, Song, Traore, even Theo have all put on some serious upper body strength over the summers in recent times
gambon – I don’t think there’s much of a difference, Ronaldo was 6ft when he came to them, he just filled out, Evra isn’t that strong, he’s just tenacious like Cole.
Clichy could be like that but he’s a bit more timid.
I’d agree there is a slight difference though, in that we’ve generally always been that much fitter towards the end of the season and matches.
Im aware that over training is one of the worth things you can do though. But even so 45minutes a week seems like nothing unless you go full out for that 45minutes.
Also, i seem to recall one of the arsenal players once said that Clichy was pound for pound the strongest player in the squad…think it was on soccer am or some shit show like that.
Stu – You honestly think we don’t do weights ? Or that it’s a significant difference ?!
Even if they do 45 mins of intensive weight training, they’re probably still doing loads of aerobic weight sessions, I’d rather they tried Judo or something and simply learn’t how to use their own strength better, heh.
Dunno if we’d take the risk though.