So we beat Sunderland, great stuff, we are back in the race, we have the easier run in, but we still have to put the points on the board, so what do we make of Eboue?
So the boss does his trademark smirk and says we were booing him a year ago and now we love him.
Okay, Eboue has indeed been a revelation at right back this last 2 games, but we always said he was a good right back, so what’s changed then? What is different since the Wigan game when he got booed off the pitch?
Well first of all we always said his best position was right back, not right wing, nothing’s changed there, when he got booed off, he was not playing right back, he was playing left wing and giving the ball away, I was at that game and the rumblings were beginning long before he got taken off, the rumblings were for Wenger and his crazy selection that day, Wenger subbed the sub and in my opinion cynically put Eboue there in the firing line. Yes he was woeful, but in my opinion poor old Eboue was just made the scapegoat.
Go back to my post the day after and read it! If you don’t believe me that is.
Now if Eboue plays that well in training and then plays rubbish on match days then he needs hitting hard with a cricket bat. That’s why they are paid so much, to play like he did on Saturday. Me, I would play him all the time at right back because this last two games, he has made the difference, credit where credit’s due, keep it up Eboue.
If I had to ask him a big favour though, it would be to stop the rolling around in pain rubbish, it’s the one thing that does stop him being as popular with us as he is with his team mates, stay on your feet mate, it’s not that hard.
I had a problem with a steward again, just when we said they were getting Ok, one comes out and treats me like a football hooligan, these guys need to remember who pays their wages, I let him know that, and hope he accepted it, he did look a tad shocked. Remember the days when they were just there to show you to your seat???
We’re good mates with 3 or 4 of them at Highbury, we even used to get them a beer and we knew each other by name.
Half time entertainment at the Grove
I read a letter that Paul, a Grover got from Arsenal regarding Club level next season, from next year we’ll all get a free programme, if we renew before the 8th of March, we’ll get a brass plate on out seats with our name on it, but hurry, there’s a waiting list, why do Arsenal continue to lie? If we had a waiting list, we wouldn’t be offered all these trinkets, Ivan, save your money, buy a few players that will see us competing on 4 fronts, that will see me renew, not a programme and a name plate. Bah, piffle!
A lot to think about before we play Stoke, but let’s enjoy the Sunderland win first, well played Eboue, keep it up and you could end up becoming a legend!
Have a great day Grovers, it will be a slow week I reckon!
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Geoff
Boom..Boom.. Boom..
Top of the Top!
top 10??
off to read the post
hmm..not bad off to read the post
So Wenger would rather supporters have their names etched on to their seats then buy ready made players?
Wow!
Top 10…
I heard that Wenger was doing the engraving, ffs.
Geoff, can you get Pedro to record the audio from one of your run-ins with a steward?
i’ve always said eboue is better than sagna in attacking terms..defensively he’s not that far off of sagna..
the way he overlaps,cut in to the by-line and also the crosses that he can provide are way way better than sagna..he also has the pace to beat his opponents and run at them,he’s very direct..both clichy and sagna should try to learn from him..
if eboue can maintain this form, then we’ve a hell of player in our hands..just need to stop with the theatrics(sp) etc..though he has cut down on it i guess
Hello Geoff
Looks like stewards are the ones,who are the hooligans and the bullies.
11 more games to go,if we get a good run of consistency,we have a great chance for Top2..
i feel weather we win the prem will depend on weather this team has learned from its mistakes,it very wrrying that mistakes against manu and chelsea are still reaccuring they still wide open now yes were have an easier fixtures but these teams are still good enough to make them pay for mistakes they make,the lack legth in the squad worries alot to without song or diaby this team is easily bullied,also with aa and edwardo out another 2 weeks i realy dont that much confedence in bretna or thoe score that much,i feel there are just to many problems in this team to win the prem dont get me wroung this good team but great team
Sagna should be made backup CB. He is a good defender but panics when going forward.
Eboue is our best option at RB.
Morning all – I was sitting by the corner flag area that Eboue/Bendy celebrated the first goal at and could see just how easily, and how well, Eboue was skinning the left back. I was almost speechless as to how well he beat his man repeatedly. I saw the way he found the clear path between the defenders to lay on the easiest of tap ins you could see. A few minutes before that a wag in the crowd was having a go at Eboue for staying on the floor after he’d been fouled – the way Eboue ran over to the same bit of the crowd after the goal made me wonder if he was going over to him to say “So is that good enough for you?”
The problem is that wenger might play play as a winger again.Strangely eboue’s attacking is really poor when he plays as a winger.Looks like diaby is not out for a long time.
I guess we can Put sagna at Left-Back and dont play clichy,have eboue at right back.
Sagna would be ok? at Leftback ? anyone
*play eboue
Yes i agree with the Eboue comments with regards to his Drogba impersonations,also could he try to stop all that cuddling and looking at the sky doing hand movements,as if to thank someone,it fucking baffles me.?
We’ve never had any problems with the stewards in the upper tier and we’re always screaming abuse.
I think it’s because you’re in the premium seats and the stewards there are given orders to protect the delicate sensibilities of the punters around you who are paying through the nose.
i believe we can still do it..we’ll just have to take the remaining 33 pts on offer and hope that mancs and chavs take off points from each other..
we don’t need chavs to lose 2,a loss and 2 draws will just nick it for us..btw anyone got the remaining fixture list of us,chavs and mancs??
It is so strange that Eboue plays well in attacking role when put at Right back,but if we play Eboue as a right winger to attack,he fails to impress..very strange…
Our year 9/10
eboue is god fearing player..maybe thats why he prays for mercy when he dives
true sabeel,he just get clueless when playing RW..it’s the greatest mystery of all time just like the bermuda triangle i guess..
I think Saturdays game should be put into a bit of perspective. If Sunderland had a 1/2 decent striker, we could have been embarrassed
Sagna is undoubtedly a better RB than Eboue.
We conceed too many goals as it is, the last thing we want to do is conceed more.
Geoff
Eboue a legend? That was tongue firmly in cheek I hope. Ain’t gonna happen.
For mine, as they say in the classics, FORM IS TEMPORARY, CLASS IS PERMANENT.
If Arsenal Football Club cannot find better than Eboue’s ilk, we are up the proverbial.
As for the game against Sunderland, we won, but big deal. It just prolongs the agony of Wenger’s psychotic experiment.
Its always easier to run at defenders when you have built up momentum.
To take someone on when they are in your face and you are standing with the ball is very difficult, both Theo and Eboue only like to go past players when they have momentum.
Izham
“we just have to take the remaining 33 points on offer”
The last time we won 13 in a row was 8 years ago, which was a record. You make it sound way easier than it is.
Eboue RB for games where the opposition park the bus.
Sagna RB for games where full defensive concentration is needed for 90min.
Not too bothered if Eboue takes over RB though. You can’t deny the man is on fire!!
Lets get DeWeil, he is better than Eboue going forward & as good as Sagna at the back.
We could probably sell either for more than it costs to buy him. Good business IMO
It’s ok beating the likes of Sunderland , but we must do the other big 2, everton showed how it can be done, winning one game does not make it all rosy again.
Like collymore said on saturday, for once he was right we are only 2-3 quality players away from being champions, and that is what is frustrating, we lack a striker big time
Eboue and Sagna sharing games is fine, gives one a rest, and keeps the competitiveness for the spot up..
Eboue has attacked really well lately, i think he has found what he needs to do…lets hope he can keep it up, and that some of his attacking play rubs off on Sagna..and vice versa defensivewise..
I like Eboue, minus the play acting. For me he is fearless, willing to take on anyone, no matter who. Unlike Nasri and Walcott he will run at players. We need more of that.
Eboue has been always very skillful very much like Diaby. But his decision making sucked just like Diaby’s.
I think Eboue will be prone to making mistakes at right back owing to the shift in mentality that has been induced in his mind after being played a lot on the wings.
But in matches where the opposition has a poor left flank, he can be very very effective. In other words Eboue gives us options, the much touted plan B that we always wanted.
But overall Sagna is a better RB and commits less mistakes. Sagna’s crossing though is abject.
Nice Post Geoff, although seemed a bit defensive on your part?
Eboue is better going forward than defensively, but he is good enough defensively as well.
The best thing about Eboue is that he is very direct. he doesn’t waffle on the ball, he makes good runs at defenders and gets into good positions. Sometimes our team lacks that go-forward attitude that Eboue has in abundance.
Why is it that Manu alone have a game on Tuesday? Is it cause other wise we would be second on Saturday WHEN we beat Stoke
bnsb -it’s because the manks have the fizzy cup final at the weekend.
But overall Sagna is a better RB and commits less mistakes. Sagna’s crossing though is abject.
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And when he gets them right we have no forward to receive that.
united’s game on tuesday is against who?
ikon – against west ham
Sometimes our team lacks that go-forward attitude that Eboue has in abundance.
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Fools rush in…
sagna is not as good as eboue going forward however as a rb is first point of call isto defend first and formost and sagna is better than eboue defensively however eboue is a trouble maker and a very good untility player his passing is not the best but is very good at dribling and running at defenders,sagna is very consistant player and very rearly makes defensive mistakes i have no worries about him but clichy on the other hand has been problem for 2 years now he constantly makes mistakes all the time
bnsb – the early bird catches the worm
gambon, who says it’s easy..it’s do-able
the remaining fixtures we’ve aren’t hard but tricky..i’m only wary of us dropping pts against man shitty(h) and spurs(a)..that’s my only worry
as for the chavs they have villa,shitty and west ham at home and scousers,manure and spurs all away..that’s a lot of points drop i tell you
and for manure i believe they have fulham,chavs,spuds and scousers at home..they do have to visit man shitty stadium..
correct me if i’m wrong but fulham and west ham are no pushover..
Morning all
The headline post today was written by a guest writer known as charybdis1966.
Thankyou Chary for your words of wisdom.
http://arsenalarsenal.wordpress.com/2010/02/22/carry-on-fouling-they-arsenal-dont-like-it-up-them-mr-mainwaring/?
dont think west ham will have enough to get anything out of them.
Good one Wiseman !
I have made a nifty spreadsheet of the run-in for the top 3 teams. Click here to view, and print.
https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AhPFNov2obXadDByek93dXVYRGd6OHdJN2FCeVc3NGc&hl=en
Yes, that was me bnsb. I wrote a match report on Saturdays game also – it’s referred to in the comments.
BTW that full back looks like he means serious business
Top post Chary!
ikon but i believe zola would want to get one over his former club..it’s just like what bruce,keane and hughes do,they want to get one over their former club or gaffer..
What the fuck is Graham Poll’s problem. In this article, he says that Arsene should have complained about the poor performance of the ref after the game, becasue the ref allowed Bendtner’s “Offside” goal, and gave Cesc’s undeserved penalty.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1252714/GRAHAM-POLL-Its-time-Arsene-Wenger-took-Arsenal-tinted-spectacles-off.html?ITO=1490
Only Graham Poll would think that Bendtner’s goal was offside, that is his amazing reffing quality.
He can suck my hairy …
Poll says “On Saturday, a neutral observer would have thought that Arsenal’s first goal looked offside”
Oh really.. The same way a neutral observer would have thought that you are the worst ref in the long history of football.
or a neutral observer would have thought that Mrs Poll looks like a donkey.
Or a neutral observer would have thought that you must have an IQ which becomes with a decimal point.
The only way he can justify his bullshit argument is by making up some tosh about an obviously retarded neutral observer.
were are all these mistakes eboue used to make at right back? i dont remember to many. he got us to within 15 minutes of winning the european cup with ten men playing there. eboues downfall was wenger trying to tufn him into a winger. it killed him and wrecked his confidence
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1252714/GRAHAM-POLL-Its-time-Arsene-Wenger-took-Arsenal-tinted-spectacles-off.html?ITO=1490
I can’t believe Graham Poll is still involved in football.
Mike – see my rants above.
any reason why utd are playing midweek?they have both played the same amount of matches as us
Thanks Pedders- but I reckon your match report is better than mine: http://www.7amkickoff.com/2010/bruce%e2%80%99s-charges-niggle-in-vain/
those of you that think we have an easy run in, we have 6 away games to play and we have only won 6 out of 13 away games all season.
Our away form has been rubbish this season, we need to turn it around pretty quickly,
in contrast we have only dropped 7 points at home all season and 6 of those were to man u and chelsea.
Last night one Gooner told me, “If we win it, he’ll say: I was right! And he won’t buy anyone.” But he doesn’t think they’ll win it.
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Was it Geoff?
The lino gave the penno Wiseman – Bennett wasn’t going to give it. So Poll got that wrong as well. And when Eboue crossed the bal from Bendy a defender was r unning from the goal line to close him down while Bendy was running towards goal, still behind the line of Eboue. So that’s not offside.
So how do you count Poll ? One yellow, two yellow, three yellows….you knob.
Eboue is a much better attacker than Sagna but if we are playing a really good offensive side in the CL then I would continue with Sagna at RB. in the main though, we have problems breaking teams down, and with Eboue on, he can actually push the opposing wingers back into their own box, thereby reducing the attacking threat from that wing. overall I prefer Eboue right now.
Also a word for Bendtner. It looks like he took some stick on here yesterday, but I thought he had a really effective game. Dont forget he scored a goal by using his brain to get in the right place at the right time.
The cross he made no attempt to get, he was offside and he knew it. The left foot effort was just an excellent block from the sunderland defender. He was pulling their defenders right and left and was a massive handful all game – he deserved a lot more credit than he got on here.
Did any of you see state of Wigan ground. looked like Indian paddy field in summer. How are they allowed to get away with this?
Chary, I love how you can’t resist a dig at a Manc player or the ‘other’ club in general! haha! Top posting! How did you strike up a deal with the American site?
The media should applaud Wenger for being consistent!
Most mamangers refuse to criticise refs when they win, but should it matter if you win, lose or draw?
If a ref is shit he is shit and managers need to highlight not only when they lose.
Chary my first live game was also the Fiorentina, shame about the result.
I think articles that are so anti Arsenal by Poll and also regularly from Jeff Winters (ex refs) show that there almost certainly was and still is biased shown against Arsenal and most probably other clubs as well.
the FA should look to crack down on these kinds of opinions, if they want current referees to appear impartial. Bennett and Webb are clearly not impartial.
Peddlers – I kind of volunteered myself for match reports for the ones I attend, purely as he asked if anyone could convey how it feels to be at the game, as most of the Septics won’t ever get to go the Grove. It’s why my reports aren’t as factual and comprehensive as yours, I’m trying to convey an impression of the match day experience. I have to admit I’m a bit lazy and struggle to motivate myself with write ups at times.
Inside – I was behind the oppo goal in the second half for that game. I got to see the pained looks on Bergy and Kanu’s faces close up as chance after chance went begging.
It could have been me.
I returned to Steward duties this Saturday and hated every second of it.
Firstly the Stewards have no instruction to treat one person better than another wether Upper Tier or Lower, they are all just different personalities.
I attended thee Bolton game a couple of weeks back with my Brother and I acted like a right nutter screaming and swearing and letting everyone know my opinion. Subconcously I could see people looking at us and the Stewards in that area did nothing although I was very close to where they stood.
I said to my Brother at the time it isn’t right. You see we are not in the North Bank or Clock end with our friends and Family anymore those days are gone.
I enjoyed those days way back then when everyone knew where to stand and went where they felt comfortable.
I let things get the better of me on Saturday and was so frustrated because it took 25 mins after the start before the stream of people stopped coming in. It is nothing to do with me but when a guy and his kid walk in on 25 mins with food and drink in hand only to thrust a ticket in your face and ask where they should be only to find someone else in the seats drives me mad.
Half time comes and goes then 5 mins into the second half the moment I dreaded happened. I stood on the steps next to a row of seats where 2 guys were standing next to me, theey had a metal barrier behind them. Fans were streaming in by the hundred and I was getting more and more frustrated,
I asked the 2 guys next to me if they could (Steward speak)”sit down” (Ground Regs not my idea). At first one of them sarcastically said “we are waiting for the 2/3 seats next to them to return”, My reply was “you can stand again to let them pass you when they return”. I then got told by them that it was ok to stand there as there was nobody behind them just a metal panel. I told them that everyone had to be seated ddue to the Ground Regulations.
Understandably they were angry with this but they then started having a go. I (Wrongly maybe) said “either sit down or you would be out”. One of the guys asked for my name as he was going to report me, so I pointed to my number on the coat and said to him “thats all you need to know but please tell them why you want to report me”.
I handled it poorly, I don’t like the job much but I get to the matches and it givees me some pocket money and in these hard times its much neeeded.
I was the angry Steward on Saturday and I am sorry to the persons I annoyed.
By the way, I tried twice to appologise after this only to be told to Fuck off, it ruined my day as much as it did theirs. The guy who wanted to report me was sitting in a seat belonging to a season ticket holder, he was not the season ticket holder and could have been ejected.
All this because they wouldn’t sit down.
I don’t need this and neither do they.
I am still not convinced Arsenal have what it takes to win the title.No doubt the gunners created more chancesn but they are taking an eternity to score and with AW procliaming he wants to outscore the opposition I shudder. Reminds me of Brazil.
A strong defence can help to win the title.It is easier to prevent the other team from scoring than to score,AW.
nn @ 10.08,
ManU are playing their PL game in mid-week as they won’t be playing at the weekend due to their involvment in the Carling Cup final.
Chary, apparently Capello pulled a funny expression when Theo hit that cross miles over the back post!
Did you read that Kanu is supposedly 42?
Almost as old as me Pedders! And I always have to get a dig in at the Manks whenever I write – it’s compulsory.
Pedro,
Kanu is 33. I wonder why people try to make him older than he is. Remember Harry Redknapp calling him 47 after Pompey won the FA Cup…
El Tel, I sympathise with your position. You were only doing your job and fans need to learn to adapt to modern stadia rules.
I’m sorry if it offends those who dream of the highbury days but things have changed!
Manu r playing midweek because,they have carling cup finale with villa..
similarly,chavs wont play league next week as they have FA cup action..Grr
thats just fucking typical. man u are allowed to play their w/e prem fixture BEFORE it was due to be played. So that means we cannot go above man u now and put pressure on them. I think they will thrash west ham at OT.
Chary,
Good Job, Nice post from u
Wouldn’t it be great if West Ham pull a draw against ManU in mid-week? Then, a win against Stoke will put us level on points with ManU at the weekend. Happy days…
Thanks A+N.
I am one of you guys with Arsenal in my heart and on my arm.
Most of us older Stewards are true Gooners but we get into these needless situations because we are on the firing line.
Maybe the Fans wan’t the Coppers back where you don’t even get spoken to just man handled.
a draw against united and chavs would have a world of good.
Gunners, I think everyone is aware that Kanu is an age cheat!
Africans age really well and Kanu looks like the oldest 33 year old in the world!
Nigerian bloggers have exposed him.
Hi Grovers, Is it me or does walcott actually give the whole team a boost with his pacey runs. The crowd get excited and the game just sparks to life more important arsenal spark to life. He has to start against Porto and for fuck sake shoot on site!
The Shammers have won 2 in a row and will be up for the Mancs.
I only saw MOTD on Saturday night, The Chavs were lucky they had Cech in goal to save them. The Mancs would have taken a thrashing if it wasn’t for VDS and 2 Pens not given.
More often than not Theo shoots off sight
Pedro
I read an article from The Special 1 this weekend and he claims that he introduced African players to the Prem.
How more up himself can this tosser get. Arsen intoduced Africans or French/Africans from day 1.
I doubt he realises how long ago it was when we had Toure,Kanu,Veiera and even Eboue at the Club before he arrived to infest our League with his negative football bullshit.
Mourinho El Tel… or Ferguson?
I think Eboue was great because hee actually run past players instead of stopping and passing it.
He caused havoc when going on one. Theo causes danger wwithout the ball but does little when he has it.
Very good Pedro
It was Maureen.
Gunner Unit,
You’re right about Theo’s pace but in football it’s not only about out-running the defenders, it’s also about completing your run successfully with a goal or an assist at least. Theo still lacks that killer final ball and also his decision-making in the box is awful. He always seems to be torn between shooting and passing to his nearest team-mate and in the end he shoots the ball wide or over the bar…
Ahh, I missed that article!
I read the one in the observer that Fergie gave.
I know we all hate Fergie, but his view on players are really interesting.
He was saying if an ordinary player has extraordinary hunger, he can be a great player.
I think that’s a concept Mr Wenger misses sometimes. We have a lot of gifted technical players that are missing that key ingredient… grit.
Agree GTS . A confident Theo should not think twice about shooting or crossing.
Is kanu really 42? Loooool
Why do Nigerian Players or African players lie so much about their ages?
Would that make Eboue 33 now or Song 29 because there is always this African age thing problem and african players tend to retire from football quic kly!
GU / Stunners… it comes down to instinct for the game. I don’t know whether Theo has that in abundance.
If he wants to become a great finisher, he’ll have to work his bollocks off…
Pedro
I do wonder how Fergie gets very average players to win things.
I aslo believe if we have those dirty bastard types we wwould get punished, as he and his Team get protection.
We had those hard players in the past only for each and every pundit to tell us how many sending offfs Wengers Team has had.
You get my drift mate.
Thanks Sabeel.
kpomzi, I think you can see that Song is young and that Eboue looks about right for his age.
Kanu… well, he’s always looked way older than his age would suggest. Which is a rarity for an African sports star.
Pedro,
That’s the fundamental difference between the coaching styles of the 2 managers. Wenger has an eye for technical ability while Fergie has one for hunger. Man U struggle when they don’t have players that also happen to be technically gifted and we do so when they don’t happen to be hungry.
I’m sure both Ferguson and Wenger can learn a lot from each other.
Back later guys.
El Tel, most of Fergies dirty bastards are good ol’ Brits!
If we were more British… we’d get more decisions.
Mayank, ManU don’t struggle though… they consistently win things.
I think Fergie gives preference to character… but he still produces world class player after world class player…
Funny
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2862533/Aliens-are-here-says-Queens-astronomer.html
Interesting point El Tel Man U have 4 red cards(+1 CL) and Liverpool 5. Surely that qualifies them as dirty?
theo should have a look at wat eboues doing at the minute. no need to beat a man with his pace. just knock the ball past him and use that pace
Man U have had their spells Pedro. The players come in a hit and miss fashion. Valencia, Berba, Anderson and until recently Nani are prime examples.
oh graham poll
he’s a fucking arsehole
Myles at ANR ripping into Wenger again…yawwn
With both Song and Eboue back, we are looking very strong for the rest of the season.
Perhaps not words you would expect!
Micky,
Bendi 52 still needs to bang more goals in for us on a weekly basis, Need AA23 back asap
Re: the Stoke game. I would like to reiterate my thoughts of the other morning. Whenever we get a throw in, anywhere, maybe we ought to demand a towel. EVERY throw in. See what the ref makes of that, then.
Micky, I’m looking for Arsenal to show hunger till the end now… no excuses.
David Moyes for the next gooner manager ?
Big Dave, its RVP or Eddy we need back central. Although, I agree AA as well. What is the news on Eddy?
ANR, is sounding like jaguar these days!!
guardiola would be the perfect replacement
Pedro – if we are hungry enough, we will win the league. We have the potential, we are only 6 points behind, we can do it if the team shows spirit.
Chelsea and Man utd have much more difficult run-ins than us.
Here is my handy run-in spreadsheet:
https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AhPFNov2obXadDByek93dXVYRGd6OHdJN2FCeVc3NGc&hl=en
Pedro: only saw second half on sat, and I thought the whole team had much more fight in them.
Wiseman: I have spent since 5:30 this morning working on Excel spreadsheets for my business, and I absolutely love it seeing them used as you have!
Why would Guardiola come to Arsenal?
Put yourself in his shoes and ask why?
“I had a problem with a steward again, just when we said they were getting Ok, one comes out and treats me like a football hooligan”
..were the chant nazis out again!? unbeliveable…
A&N… a new challenge? change of scenery? who knows!? just my choice.
although moyes or o’niel wouldn’t be bad… anyone who will actually train the defense and spend a bit of cash!
A&N: The food and the weather, probably. Lets face it, Spanish food is crap and its too fucking hot.
Wiseman, I just knocked that up into a widget —>
A&N, he’s finding the burden of Barca very tough… he doesn’t want to ruin his good name.
A new manager would only come with the promise of funds being available to him.
Why do you think JM will be going to cityyyyy
lol Micky.
In all seriousness I put myself in his shoes and he is a Barca legend, born and bred Barca boy why would he come to Arsenal?
He isn’t doing too bad over there!
How fools forget. Eboue was being called the best right back in the champions league not so long ago. We were skinned bthe mancs and chavs because the team lacks balance when eboue is not playing right wing forget about right back. he he is the player our playmekers play wall passes with on the right wing to open the opposition up. He knows when to hold on to the ball, do a wall pass, when to run behind the opposition’s left back or whne to attack the space between opp left back and central defence. whne we lose the ball he knows whne to go inside to stop the midfielders or outside to stop the overlapping leftback. these are all the things we lacked when we were mauled by the mancs and chavs. Eboue is a very good player but he is not perfect but certainly better than walcott who is still learning. if walcott does all the things that eboue does or just half of it then eboue should not play right wing but for now walcott must be on the bench in big matches but played against the likes of stoke because they present no real attacking danger except thowins that is if they get any.
lol micky.
its sinteresting that wenger has stopped hyping his players up, talking about looking behind us…
has he lost a bit of faith in project youth??
Nice Pedro!
Tom, I have to say I hate O’Neil. Its managers who wear tracksuits and football boots. Why? What is the best they think is going to happen?
Stoke away will be hard as usual, don’t rate our chances to much, hope they get taken to extra time for their replay this week
Eduardo maybe back for the week after as is AA23/ Gallas
Chalmers, if he was the best right back in Europe… Wenger wouldn’t have purchased Sagna… how fools forget, eh?
Martin O’neil is an over rated twat face.
What is Rijkard up to these days?
A&N, he’s managing Galatasaray
Gotto love Le Champ
micky, lol i do agree about the tracksuit thing! it is fucking irritating! neil warnock is the worst for it!
he’s got a real stingy defense though and i miss that, plus he spends when he needs to
One Eboue doth not make a summer….
i hope arsenal are on the training ground every day this week practicing heading out long throws. or putting bentdner on songs shoulders to stand in front of delap. We can beat stoke if we get a few back from injury and they play it like a cup final.
Eboue is in no way the best right back in Europe, but he is probably one of the most useful going forward. Almost Dani-Alves-esque
rikyarrd isnt the best manager, he just had ronaldinho, eto and all those cunts firing at the same time. He would be worse than wenger imo.
Wasuup peoples
Pedro you are correct but thats the point. he is not perfect but he ones played well and he can still do it like he did yesterday. how can it be a surprise that he can play right back well but wenger saw that there is something that he lacks as a right back. he actually wanted to play him in central midfield and he did on some games. his wing play is also good except his shooting and incosistent crossing but you cant deny the balance he brings to the team. maybe thats why you didnt comment about it.
porto hitting some form, 5-1 at the weekend
Incesc, you’re a genius. Where in the rules does it say you are not allowed to man handle your own players. Rugby lineout style?
haha.. does anyone remember when Eboue scored twice in one match last season, and when the announcer came on he said goal scored by Emmanuel-The-Goal-Machine-Eboue !!
Ever since then i call him Goal-Machine.
haha
I don’t think there are many good managers around.
I would prefer it if we promoted Steve Bould, he has done a pretty good job with the youth.
Eboue is a rampant winger….weak defensivly….Sagna poor offensively…..hint hint wegner….
Things went tits up when we got rid of our club badge. Hated seeing Everton and Utd still respecting their club traditions.
Victoria Concordia Crescit et al.
Chalmer, I think you’re mistaking me as a convert.
I don’t think Eboue is a good right back… he’s offers more of a threat than Sagna going forward, but his defending is abject.
He was a terrible right winger… he had so many chances to make that position his own but he failed miserably. On the central midfield thing… I don’t know where you got that little gem from. As far as I can remember, he’s only been tried there once and that was preseason. There were certainly never any plans to stick him there long term.
but pedro, footballistically eboue is brilliant
because we lost fewer games when he played as a winger.
think he played centre mid when we lost to fulham early last season, due to our usual injury/transfer policy problems…
people are loving eboue this weekend because its nice to have a player who is actually in a bit of form and playing well, the rest are all playing way within themselves at the moment, lets hope its infectious
A&N, are you telling me that if we’d had Eboue in the team for the games we lost, we would have won?
as i see it this team has large amount of fliar players not defesive minded players in fact there is only song in midfield diaby ramsey delinson nasri risicky none these players densive minded at all that whole problem there,if you look at team like chelsea or manu they have at least 2-3 experienced midfielders in there team not flair players but very effient and good orginizers,and although we are only 2 pints behind manu from what i have seen so far when it come to big games this has always come up short and both manu and chelsea have steped up
Pedro, that is footballistically correct.
According to Wenger.
Wouldn’t be to upset if Clichy went tbh.
haha, I love that term A&N… Wenger doesn’t get enough credit for making certain words cool.
Play him RB, as lets face it, CL aside, we ain’t going to be attacked much for the rest of the season. Easy, score more than them.
Eboue Gall Verm Clichy
Cesc Song Diaby
Ros Bendy/Eddy/Rvp AA
As I have said before, AA is a one half man, so Nasri and he 45 each!
Leon,
Mean no offense mate, but I cant make head or tail of what you mean to say. Please why dont you break them up into smaller concise sentences?
clichy & 10m to milan for pato… yes please
wenger is the R.Kelly of football.
by that I mean, both make up words.
Not pissing on 14 year olds?
Its easy for Eboue to look good at right back, because his instinct is to drive forward….great!! but only because he is running into space which has been created by the winger and forwards…its the same when you see TV or Gallas rampaging up from the back. If everyone is marked, that leaves open space for the defender turned attacker to move into.
Eboue is not as effective as a right winger because he is more closely marked.
bnsb sorry but long on short is this team alot flair players only 1 defensive mindinded midfielder and thats song and he is rookie all rest fab diaby ramsey nasri risicky delinson all are attacking players and not much experience there to speak of either,when it comes to high presure games this has always folded,they may only be 2 points behind manu but i dont think team chance of winning the prem for simple reason there isnot experience in midfield
Gooner Ian Poulter has just won a Big Golf Tournament.
Is this a lucky omen for the Dream Team?
lol @ pedro
leon
one point is this team has shown,touch wood,it can go on long run of wins…if we can do that,we may do it
we dont have to be the BEST team to win the league,if we win most of our 11 games with maybe a couple of draws,we may win the league…even though if we arent the best team in the league…
players coming back from injury in the last part of the season is good…especially when people run out of steam at last part of league campaign
and we are in last part of campaign,with players coming back from injury…
i dont want to sound too optimistic,but bottomline is these returning players like bendy,walcott,dudu,vela others with niggling injuries, should contribute in an impact manner..as there is not much time left for another slip-up
SIG, if we win the league we are the best team in it. Fact!
I just feel,at the end of the season,coming second will be seen positive by the board and wenger to continue with the same policy of non-investment in the first team…
so were you one of those people who called so vigorously for eboue to be sold…YES or NO ? (I take the answer is yes)simples… check your blogg that day agaisnt Wigan, i told you to shut your gob !!
I take it you were also one of the who called for Ade to be sold ? Ade who now wont be going to the ACN for next 2years and the Ade who was missing for 3months this year when we had not a single striker to play for us, nice one.
what did you learn from this, DONT TURN ON OUR OWN PLAYERS…until maybe they dessert us !!
Sghivi, I checked the records and you didn’t post defending Eboue on the day of the booing.
You seem to always defend African players though… we were wrong to want rid of Adebayor according to one of your posts?
Not regretting that decision.
Can you believe that Song plays as a creative mid-fielder for Cameroon? All their attacks go through him. He actually makes some of the best passes, especially when Fab isn’t on the pitch, and he takes some extra responsibility.
That is what man utd have, Fletcher, Carrick, Anderson – they are all essentially defensive players, but still have great attacking skills.
So basically what i am saying is that we need 3 Songs in our midfield.
Mayank
Nope,if we win the league,we win the league BASED on points…
We get a double done on us by chelsea and Manure,this season,how can u think we are the best team..
League is Simply Won because of Points accumulated
If we had done the double of Manure,chelsea or played better against them,we could say we were the BEST team…but Just on basis of accumulating points we will win the league,inshallah,and this accumulating of points doesnt have to mean “ALL the time”,that we r the best team…
sab they make to many mistakes but they real lucky song aa edwardo diaby will have to stay fit particualy song and if we get real lucky we have a chance but its chelsea for me
okay, maybe two songs and a fab!
If we come second that’ll be a positive for me as well. Mind you 2nd isn’t going to be easy. If we come 2nd I reckon we’ll be very close to the leaders. I’ll be gutted of course.
Sabeel, coming second would be positive?
Sabeel,
Yeah, we defo could go on a long run, it doens’t seem impossible. The best thing is that we don’t have to play FA Cup ties in the middle of these fixtures cos getting knocked out in the 4th round could be a blessing in disguise as it’s better than getting knocked out in the 5th or 6th round which could impact on our leauge form as we could have been playing Chelsea in the 6th round.
Now, we can concentrate on the league, hammer Porto in couple of weeks time and stay un-beaten until the end. It is hard but not impossible bearing in mind that we have many players coming back from injuries…
And winning the league means you are the best team… no question.
sghivi
Bottomline is we criticise our players based on “rational reasons” and praise on “rational reasons”.
when a player gives shit performance consistently for the money being paid to him,we call the spade a spade
Wrong Sabeel, if we follow that logic the CL is a better indicator. And Man U were the better team in the league last year. What’s worse losing a game of very small margins like we have or lose to the Fulhams and Evertons.
We only got one song!
I have raised this before. Wenger doesnt believe in a dedicated DM. Sure Song has been the main player to hold back in attack and fill in for the defenders going forward but Arsenal play high pressing line, so if the player in front of cesc has the ball he closes down if it is passed to the the middle to a man in front of song, song closes down, etc. If song charges forward Diaby holds his run. The midfield needs to be dynamic to be able to do this successfully for 90 odd minutes, but the problem is if one player has an off day or shirks his responsibility. the whole machine breaks.
Pedro
Hi, Nice to hear from u.
Coming 2nd will be seen as a positive from board and wenger,Not from us fans like me for Sure..
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Pedro,
if we wanna discuss about “Best team”,i think we should keep the league aside for a sec,in this context,and just decide which is the best team,based on our head- to Head performances against other european top teams like Manure and Chelsea.
I am afraid,i would say we arent the best team because we didnt beat Manure,Chelsea over 4 games this season
since last 3-4 years,chelsea,manure have better head to head records against us too..
I said that Pedro, it will be a positive in the sense that we’d have a good position to build on and attract players and keep all of our as well. Also it would mean we challenged till the end, which is what most on here said was ‘all we ask for’.
If we beat or draw against chelsea manure,with a hiccup of loss against them,i would agree we are better than them “result wise”.
Sabeel, Arsenal had the best record against the best teams a few years ago and finished 4th.
Logic doesn’t tell you that Arsenal were the best team in the league does it?
Finishing 2nd would mean we competed until the end… that is a success. Not the Ultimate, but a success all the same. Winning it would be a massive success, if you can’t be happy with that, what’s point in supporting a team? You’ll never be happy…
We had a better mini league position than Man U last year.
Stunners
i am sorry,but going out of FA cup and having a rest before porto game didnt help us,we lost right?
But i know u r right,we play less matches,and becos our squad is “SO” injury prone,having lesser matches becos we are out of FA/carling cup means we reduce the chances of getting more players injuried
As, injuries and arsenal matches go hand in hand..
Well said Pedro.
Pedro,
Coming 2nd would be seen as positive if we win all our remaining games but Chelsea (God forbid) also win their remaining games. It would mean that we gave everything till the end but lost out to top spot by a close margin…
Pedro,
Beating Top sides + Beating weak sides = Best team,
and beating only Top sides but NOT beating weak sides is NOT a best team.
Pedro
this season
if we go by Logic
(Beating Top sides + Beating weak sides = Best team,)
then this season
NOT Beating Top sides + Beating weak sides != Best team)
(!= means Not equal)
Anyone any news on Diaby
Mayank
my respone to us also is at 13.03
Sabeel,
If you win the league at the end of season, you go into record books. It doesn’t matter if you lost all of your games against top 4 teams and won against lesser teams, you’re champion…
Stunners
Being champions by accumlating points is a different context and being Best team is another context/perspective i personally feel
Sabeel, so if we in the league we are the best team because if ManUre or Chelski don’t win it after beating us that means they dropped points to the weak sides and as you say you can’t be the best team if you do that.
So basically what you said in your comment is that the best team wins the league.
Mayank
**my response to **u also is at 13.03
Without wishing to speak up for TalkSport, Alvin Martin or someone pointed out that in the equivalent games the team had got 26 out of 33 points (that’s losing to ManCity and two draws at WestHam and Burnley) -
Ansd that would give them 81 points total, which might be enough.
I sort of agree with that and definitely think 84 should win the league so that would be one draw and one loss – really don’t want the loss at Stoke though, need to save it for as late as possible and no f-ing 0-0 draws please.
I think a top form Arshavin could pretty much get most of those points on last season’s form (when he virtually carried the team from an attacking pov even after Cesc came back)but he needs to find his A game soon. Diaby could be really important too, if he’s really recovered and Sol Campbell, I think.
Stoke is just so important but as Myles says (in just another “I’m getting a bit pissed off not really supporting Arsenal” articles on ANR) Stoke playing midweek could help us, if they play the first team -
which they might if they think they’re safe and have a chance in this year’s cup. I’d like them to win in extra time and get Shawcross sent off and maybe Fuller late on………..
(the equivalent games in the first half of the season to what we’ve got in our run in)
Hi Duke
Hmm it depends on what is the meaning of phrase “best team”
i dont think this is bad team at all but these days your squad has realy realy strong and chelsea have the strongest sqaud manu are extremly resiliant and they have rooney and theres arsenal,now if this is going ever win the prem the squad will need a few top class players more than they have now
Duke
as i mentioned Always
Beating Top sides + Beating weak sides = Best team
Sabeel, I think you’re confusing best possible with best this season. Where we’ve lost out in matches to the top 3 we’ve made up with results against the Evertons and Villas, who by the way are no mugs.
Good point chris, if Arsh starts to fire we’ll win the games we need to easily, esp. stoke, totts and city.
Sabeel mate, then we have to define top sides also. We did Liverpool twice and they were 2nd last year.
The team is capable of winning nine of the last 11 games imo which would give them a great shout – irrespective of if they looked miles second best against Chelsea and Manu at home.
They can win the league alright just playing close to their best consistently (respecially if some of the guys can find a bit extra) but to win the EPL they’d need to play well above themselves 4 or 5 times – and that’s assuming they can get past Porto.
we beat everton 6-2 and they beat man utd 3-1 so head to head games mean nothing as to whos better.
being top after the last game is that matters whether its with 114 points or with 70 points.
In the games b/w the top sides the margins are so small that they’re not good indicators really. e.g. Man U and Chelsea away. Of course bragging rights are important and the psychological element is also there.
Sabeel,
If we win the league this season, I don’t think any Gooner including you would even care about us for not being the best team and still winning the league. I for one, will be running around the streets of London like a nutter…
I don’t want to sound like I’m mental but all that matters right now is Stoke, then 4 more winnable games then look at the table, if we’ve won at least 4 and hopefully 5 then you can talk about the title and Spurs and ManCity being the critical matches.
Beating Stoke would be such a great start though and it’s going to be very difficult but we ought still to be marginal favourites, so long as we aren’t thinking too far ahead.
“Sport is not what happens in six months. What happens now is important to us.” – Wenger
How I wish he could take this into consideration each time he tries selling the future to us
I think we will beat Stoke this time around as we will be playing mostly the first team and the players will have a points to prove. Also, Stoke are playing in midweek and they don’t have a big squad to rotate, so they will have to play nearly the same tired team.
Stunners
Yes of course i will go nutter as well but there is a difference,in context of best team or not,which i dont care,if we win the title ofcourse.
Mayank,Duke
Hmm
I think there is a difference in the perspective with which u guys seem “best team” and the way i see what is “best team”
Best team is one for me,
1) who will crush the weaker teams,and
2) the team which doesnt get humiliated home and away against Manure,chelsea.
My point,
if we were really are the “BEST team” why didnt we kick the butt of Manure,Chelsea ‘Home and Away’
we were pathetic “team wise” in those 4 games,
(*if not a owngoal+arshavin_stunner we would never get the win at anfield)
if we were so pathetic not once,twice,thrice but 4 times,against top sides,how can we call ourselves “Best team”.
if winning league is “best team” then so be it,but defintion of “best team” is a matter of perspective or subjective
In addition,
theres gotto be some difference between following two
1) “invincibles” or “last barcelonas season” and
2)any normal league win every year.
Sabeel
If not an own goal and a dodgy pen we have beaten manure
Would you be happy if we finished second and beat manure and chavski ???
younguns reporting Sunu signs a new deal with us
http://younggunsblog.co.uk/2010/02/arsenal-v-wolves-reserves-match-preview/?
r.e stewards- I was at a Champ league game (v Standard Leige) & was near the corner flag where the steward sat facing me directly for the whole game- acting like a pr*ck… you could tell he felt as if he was somebody!
in 2006 eboue was pretty awesome defensively, especially in the CL
we were guilty for own goal,its as simple as that…
it is not a question of happiness,the debate is because phrase “best team” is a subjective matter…
Arsenal FC – we by far the best team the world has ever seen. We sing it and we know it. Arsenal is the best team. Fact.
Man Utd won the league without beating anyone in the top 4!
They went on to be called “the best”,”great”, “champions”, lauded by the media.
Why cant we be called the best if we end up doing the same!
The New Arsenal Shirt for 2010-11 season,
http://www.arsenalinsider.com/index.php/arsenal-news/1460-exclusive-new-arsenal-shirt-the-verdict
nice to see the classic style shirt return, shame about the badge.
I understand what you mean sabeel it will feel a bit weird to win the league when we have been a bit rubbish for half the season you you know i think we might get over that quite quickly.
Liverpool won the champions league and they are shit and spuds won the carling cup and they are shit. I have to put up with loads of spud and pool fans and it would be nice to stick it in their faces if we win the league even if we scrape 11 1-0′s and play rubbish
A&N
thats the catch, it is the media who hyped them,it was wrong to call Manure best team,when they werent
they can call themselves best,when they couldnt beat top4.
off to home from office..catch u from home..
keep it goonerish
Afobe signs professional terms with Arsenal:
Arsenal Football Club is delighted to announce that Benik Afobe has signed professional terms with the Club.
England Youth International striker, Benik, who turned 17 ten days ago, signed for Arsenal as a scholar last summer, but has been with the Gunners since he was eight years old, having progressed through the Club’s Hale End Academy.
Benik already has an impressive pedigree at Under-18 level – scoring 11 goals in just 13 appearances last season as a schoolboy, and has been prolific this campaign for Steve Bould’s side, scoring 12 times from his 17 matches.
Everyone at the Club is looking forward to Benik’s continued contribution and development with Arsenal in the forthcoming years.
http://www.arsenal.com/news/reserves-news/afobe-signs-professional-terms-with-arsenal?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+arsenal-news+%28News+Feed%29
The way Afobe is progressing in the youth team, he could break in the first team in the next 12-18 months.
Also, haha to Barcelona for trying to sign him in the Summer…
* break into…
So quiet in here…
5th
6th
Almunia
Lionel Eboue
King Gallas
Verminator
Cliche
There’s only one Song
talking to yourself again GTS?
Super Cesc
duke arsenal had alot great players in past no dought about that however at the time when had all those players there manu were there as well and arsenal and manu for long while and in that time we never won champoins legue and yes we had great success far than we are having now but we only the prem twice,yes this team had great players but to say this best ever that huge stretch
incesc,
so quiet in here, mate. I was announcing the team only if I get a chance to announce the team just for one game…
Sabeel, only you could write 20 posts about how you’re not the best team if you win the league.
Who won the league last year? what was theeir record against the top4 teams- and did they even care? If we win the league it will mean statistically that we were the most succesful team in the premier league for the year 2010- and I couldnt give a hoot
Pedro,
That’s typical Sabeel. He will go as far as he can to prove his point and then he will send you a 1500 words long email…
Sabeel, just winding you up, mate…
haha
write to the club, sned them a recording you never know
i would take a charity league title if that is what it would take to see my team win the title come May 2010
I would frown at anything less than being the best this season
if we made the right moves in the transfer markets we should be at least 5 points clear at the top
Gunners, for me, if you win the league, there is no debating about whether you were the best.
How anyone can want to moan about that is beyond me.
I’ll admit, it won’t be the greatest league campaign of all time… but I’ll be chuffed regardless.
I don’t think we’ll see a league as open as this next year.
This is what my neutral mate has to say on our title aspirations:
Pedro, harsh words, but it makes a lot of sense.
If you look at how close, points-wise, we are to Chelsea and Man Utd and then consider how shitty we’ve been for so much of the time. Throwing away points at West Ham, Burnley and Sunderland, to say nothing of the 4 losses to the teams above us, just imagine where we’d be if the club had bought the players we have needed for so long.
Winning the league is not about how you perform against the top 4 teams. It’s based on your performance against the other 19 teams over the course of the season and at the end of the season most consistent team wins the league. It doesn’t matter whether you were consistent against the bottom half teams or you were consistent during a certain period(s) of the season.
Also, it doesn’t matter if you win the league by just a point or 20 points, once you’re crowned Champions, you have the right to brag for the next 12 months…
It doesn’t hurt if you get results against the top 4 teams too though does it?
Lou,
It wouldn’t but did it stop ManU winning the league last season?
Pedro, or you can say we have to make up a 6 point difference in 11 games when Chelsea have to play Man U Pool and Villa and we don’t.
the truth is irrespective of the opposition there are no easy games at this satge of the season
i was truly surprised how poor sunderland were on saturday.
Steve Bruce was very naive with his tactics. playing 3 CFs at the emirates showed a lot of ambition but it didnt nearly work out
their LB was getting a roasting but it took him too long to attempt to rectify this.
Chelsea are not solid, they will lose a couple of games.
A&N, they will lose a couple of games but that would still win them the title.
personally i see us getting a draw at stoke, at home to city and away to Spurs.
its just my way of saying we would drop minimum 6 points in the remaining 11 league games
if im correct then chelsea would have to drop 13 points in their final games for us to have a chance or we would have to better their goal difference if they only drop 12 also
Chelsea’s league to loose IMO
I’m getting my hopes up regardless of what my cunt of a mate says
Must say the battle for 4th this year would be interesting in the run in
Whay was he booed? because his performance? I don’t remember for that game, just I read a couple of times that he was booed…
Thanks for the Post..
STEVE BRUCE has been fined £2,500,000 for criticising referee Andre Marriner.
Bruce blasted the match official after Sunderland lost at Manchester City in December.
The Black Cats boss described Marriner’s decision to send off Michael Turner for an aerial challenge with Gareth Barry as “obscene”, “a joke” and “an outrage”.
But his outburst did not go down well with the FA, resulting in the fine and a warning about his future conduct.
Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/2863592/The-FA-fine-Steve-Bruce-for-ref-rant.html#ixzz0gHDScfMj
Pedro ur mate is a betting man, you are the cunt
its 2.5k!
Whats few zeroes here and there
hehe.. I reckon that’s almost his entire salary.
2.5 mill!
Top bore not top four:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/philmcnulty/2010/02/in_an_old_monty_python.html
Manchester City midfielder Stephen Ireland is hoping for a move to Arsenal.
The News of the World says the Irish midfielder has failed to win the faith of new manager Roberto Mancini and is becoming increasingly frustrated at Eastlands.
Ireland is so disillusioned with life at Manchester City that he’s hoping Arsenal step up their interest this summer.
we dont need Ireland we’ve got Ramsey
If cesc were to leave Ireland would be a decent addition
sell denilosn bring in ireland, would be nice.
Ireland would be nice after we sort out GK, CF, DM, CB
What we need is a 25 goals a year scorer/match winner not a decent addition.
I reckon having Ireland wouldn’t be so bad. He is a decent player and would fit into the way that we play. If he wants out, he wouldn’t be too expensive either.
And I think there are issues Ireland (the player) and Liam Brady.
Franchise i agree with you there mate, sort the bits that need doing first then with the spare change make a cheeky bid.
..issues between…
would wengerplay him on the wing or upfront tho?
In place of fab
weve got too many CM at the moment at the club IMO. that is not without mentioning the ones forced to play wide like Rosicky and Nasri
Arsenal won y’day but for me it was a boring game. Chances squandered after chances. But we won so I’m ok with 3points.
Off Arsenal now, Pls. is it true that Cashley’s wife had filed for divorce? Someone pls chk and inform me?
incesc i have a sneaky feeling fab would likely go this summer but what reassures me he would stay is he isnt guaranteed a starting slot at barca
ojaimo its the same news you rely on we also rely on. its the rumours circulating the media
Off Arsenal now, Pls. is it true that Cashley’s wife had filed for divorce? Someone pls chk and inform me?
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I dont think you stand a chance
incesc ha ha. Wenger will form him into a goalkeeper
Apparently the divorce has been drawn up (not finalised), he has been dumped by text and she would make a statement on return to blighty.
win the title
parade in the streets of london
sounds awesome
…
xavi is 30 this year they might be eyeing his replacement and who says cesc isnt the man
bnsb
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U have a unique sense of humour. I don’t know btwn Franchise and you, who should tek the award as Le-grove’s most homourous.
Fran 30 is hardly old for a guy whose game is all about passing and running very little.
u wrong there avout the running very little. Xavi is an engine room. complete midfielder there. he defends, attacks, tackles, assists, scores goals etc etc
Does anybody know when eboue is out of contract?
Thought Eboue waqs out of contract this summer, but I wouldn’t be surprised if we already signed him up again on 80k a week…
What!! i deserve the award for being the funniest Le-grover..Absolute blasphemy that.
Evening all, title race back on??
Eboue has been this good in almost every appearance this season.
Hes easily our most effective dribbler and can beat defenders with ease, it doesnt matter if he’s playing winger or fullback.
It just so happens that in his previous good performances, fabregas and others have also played well so eboue went unnoticed.
It really annoyed me how eboue was excellent at the start of the season when picked, but as soon as theo got back to fitness, he lost his place. Ridiculous.
Eboue offers something different, he can really dominate these lower-league sides and can be really useful when they sit back. In the big games he competes well and is excellent in one-on-one situations. He still needs to improve his final ball a bit, but it’s decent now. He usually makes the right decision at least. I’m glad hes finally getting some recognition.
i dont think its impossible for arsenal to win prem i just dont think very likely its realy for chelsea to lose prem for me they 2 world strikers,they alot of very experienced and top class midfielders,they have good defence and world keeper they pretty much have 2 top class players in every position they can afford to have 5-6 injuries,manu have 1 world class striker and 2-3 very good strikers i dont there sqaus is as strong as chelsea but there very resiliant team,we will have to be real lucky with injuries,players like aa fab edwardo diaby song gallas verm cambell etc will have to back very soon only then they will have a chance,as for the champeans legue i just think we have much of chance there
I know that eboue has signed a contract in 2007/2008. A long term conract, so i think that he is out of contract in 2012. Because wenger would have give him a longer contract if he is out of contract his summer.
Dutchman bloggus fartius
choy but he is young and pretty
where the fook is everyone?
Pedro @14.14
oh C`mon Pedro,i am not stubborn like wenger
choy
everyones gone shopping for there flames..
Wenger says,walcott is under terrible pressure
whose fault is that?
1) Media
2) Fans expectations even when player has not performed due to injuries
3) 60k pound salary of walcott for no final balls
the following guys is after Sol campbells riches
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CHERYL SEE’S SENSE!!!!
Cheryl Cole sent Cheslea footballer Ashley Cole a text message to tell him their marriage was over, it has been reported.
She sent the message “Move out. It’s over” from Los Angeles early on Sunday morning, according to The Sun newspaper.
The 26-year-old singer wants to put a statement out about a split by the end of the week, The Sun said.
She has asked her husband to leave their Surrey mansion before she returns to Britain, it said.
X Factor judge Cole performed at the Brits but went to the US minus her wedding ring amid allegations that her husband is unfaithful.
A friend told The Sun: “Cheryl has decided enough is enough and she is going to divorce him.
“She has told Ashley to get out of the family home because she does not wish to see him.
“She has no desire to hear any more excuses or explanations.”
A spokesperson for the Girls Aloud star refused to comment.
check this giggs one
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I just loved the good old days
Gilberto letting Zlatan have it !!
Well played Eboue. And well played Clichy for an improved performance. Before people go overboard I think they should bear in mind that neither full-back had anyone to mark!
lets go back to the good old days when Arsenal wasn’t nothing to fuck with, when we were bottom of the fairplay league, but top of the premier league, when we were always good for a red card, but always won even with 10 men.
Pedro
Just read the older posts,
i am not moaning,
After winning league i just dont care if we beat top4 or not,but just that,the definition of “Best team” is subjective…
Walcott is not picked to u-21,so he could be in the senior team
I agree with what Pedros mate said, and thats pretty much how I wouldve analysed it.
We have a chance, its just not a big chance.
Sabeel, it is the definition of best team.
If it was a cup you were talking about I’d agree, that is subjective.
However, the league demonstrates the best team over the year… if we win it, we’re the best team.
He’d be mad to go back and play for the U21 again!
Sabeel, from your reckoning you’d have the go the entire season without losing any games to be considered the best team, so how many times has that happened, or is it purely down to beating teams in the so called top four, before one can be considered to be the best?
Agreed Pedro
PaulPaul, that was a lot of effort for something no one read.
Not even me.
Idiot.
Truth
Theres gotto be some difference between an “invincible season” and “a season where one wins a league”..
not getting any result in 4 top games,shows that we are lacking something in the team,and since we lack something in the team i feel,we can be better and be even more Best.
Good to see,cole getting busted…
a 40 day thief will be caught one day..
Pedro, I read your post at 14:22, I think the real question is are we capable of winning all of our games. Chelsea has a few games where they will drop pts: Villa, United, Pool, Manshitty, Spuds. Then all the rest are lesser teams. If we can win all our games, then chelski needs to draw 3 times or lose twice, and then were even on pts, not sure about goal difference. So, are we capable of winning every game from here on out?
Sabeel, I preferred the 98 season to the invincible season.
Chelsea scored more points than us the year after we were the invincibles… you can only compete with what is put out on the pitch.
If we win the league, it’s because we were the best over the season.
No one cares who won against the big four… it’s irrelevant if you score the most points. Seaons are nearly always decided on who wins against the shite teams… not against the best.
pedro.. chery’l cole’s single!
Luke… yes we are.
Shitty are going down the toilet, Spurs will be tough… and I think all the teams we need be out of form are out of form.
If we want the league, we have to win all our games… if we win all our games, we deserve the league if it comes our way.
Walcott will want to pick up his form before the world cup, Bendtner will want to prove Wenger doesn’t need a new striker and Arshavin will want to prove himself.
I think it’s all to play for… we’re underdogs which suits and it’s there for Chelsea to lose. Terry is on the ropes, Cole is out and there shaky. United don’t look their best and they are more than capable of losing a game.
Then there you have it. Its in our bloody hands, COME ON YOU GOONERS!!! SHOW EVERYONE!
if i was a betting man, I would say we are most likely to finish 2nd this season which to be honest, would have to be seen as a big improvement, but im not ruling out anything at this point.
This is a crazy season and it would be fitting if we finshed top come May.
Pedro,
i agree to u that over the season we turn out best team,becos we got the max points,irrespective of losing top 4
But my feeling is,we won league by just accumulating points,which doesnt those points earned by beating stronger teams like Manure and chelsea,at the very least not even drawing or beating at home…
Pedro,
i agree to u that over the season we turn out best team,becos we got the max points,irrespective of losing top 4
But my feeling is,we won league by just accumulating points,which doesnt *Include those points earned by beating stronger teams like Manure and chelsea,at the very least not even drawing or beating at home…
PaulPaul, there’s not such word as a Conward and acting the hard man on a website defines cowardly in blog terms.
Piss off somewhere else you muppet.
comparatively we would be best team,but i want us to be best team,irrespective of manure,chelsea dropping points against lower teams…i am little greedy in that aspect,hence maybe my definition of “best team” is different or wrong,as i seem to be a minority in this kind of though process of “best team”
in this kind of *thought process of “best team”
To be fair we have been too strong for the top4 wannabees, we done the double over the scousers(cant remember the last time we achieved that in the league), we smashed Everton 6-1, destroyed the spuds, and took 4 points from Villa, and im sure we’ll get revenge against shitty. Manure and Chelski have struggled against these teams this season.
Sabeel, I hear ya mate, but if we won on goal difference alone, I’d be happy.
but in conclusion,
i agree that over the season we turn out best team,becos we got the max points,irrespective of losing 2 top 4..and i would NOT care about the fact we won against top4 or not..
bottomline,balls to win against top4 or not,as long as we win the title,becos we deserved to champions…
FREDDIE LJUNGBERG COLUMN
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GGY, exactly.
If we’d beaten United and Chelsea this year, but finished 4th… people wouldn’t have saying we’re the best team in the league.
PaulPaul, I bet you’ll read everyday regardless.
Closet Grover forever.
That’s my last comment to you.
I dont see any paulpaul comments…who is this stalker
yes pedro, same scenario as last season when we beat the Mancs at home and also won at Chelsea.
Okay Guys
DO u think we are capable of winning Champions league?
i think i am very pessimistic today,dont know why…
i thinks we have a good chance of winning it, united will have to lose once at least and chelsea lose one and draw two assuming we win all our games which would be an big achivement.
chavs and united draw
chavs draw with city or spuds
mancs lose to city
chavs lose to pool
Sabeel im not confident we’ll win anything but Ive got my seats for what will be an exciting and enjoyable journey
Utd won the league last season, and from the big four the only points they got was a win against chelsea, and a draw against us, they lost the other four matches, and I didn’t hear anyone claiming they shouldn’t have been referred to as the best team!
This season we’ve got 6 points from the games against the other members of the big 4, two more than Utd managed last season!
Cole to apologise like Tiger.
http://daveschneider.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/Cole-statement.pdf
To win the champions league you need luck more than anything, look how close we came in 2006. Chelsea have probably been good enough to win it for the last 5 years, but have not won it yet.
It really does depend on the luck of the draw, who cancels out who. If we manage to win our next CL game, then anything is possible. I still believe that on our day, we are capable of beating anyone, although at this point we would struggle psychologically with either Manure of Chavski over 2 legs.
Some more snaps
check who these are
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I thought they were DDM’s.
A yes but we draw with burnley lost to sunderland draw with west ham…that’s stupid points droped and of course lost to city
BUT the biggest IF in all that silly season is “IF RvP was still there now, where would we be?”
We’ve done really well haven’t we?
Especially with the personnel that we have!
Yeah of course Gooby, but no team wins EVERY game, and those two away games are two of the toughest away games in the league this year, far from easy, although any game against someone outside of the top 4 is points dropped imo.
Also – I really feel that the influence of VP is exagerated. When we had VP we struggled in the big games, and won the easy games. Since VP has gotten injured we’ve struggled in the tough games, and won the easy games, it’s just that we’ve had many more tough games, and not as many easy games, as pre injury.
I think,i would like our team to win the league By NOT depending on others dropping points,thats another way of
looking at defintion of “best team”
oops my 19.00 comment is for “A”
Franchise,
dont know wether it is now uncool to say “Keep the Faith”
If we’d bought the 3 players we needed in the summer we would have one Serie A and La Liga as well.
sorry….. won
choy
we have been very lucky,not done well…
GGY
it has been Mostly the luck that has deluded us time and time again in CL,except the PSV game and Last years Manu game in CL i feel..
A
RvP was perfect in our curent system. his creativity and passing offred so much and created many chances. we looked clueless up front when there was eddie and arsha in the middle mainly for physical reasons in that cas though.
i really think RvP can be to us what rooney is to united, and with all our team fit we have a classy team(regardless the spanish waiter)
–sicky–RvP–arsha better than –valencia–rooney–nani
We miss RVP a lot.
Look at the scoring record with him and without him in the team!
Truth
we would struggle to beat Manure and Chelsea in CL game,these buggers have some kind of psychological edge against us this season…
what better to solve half of this problem if inter milan knock chelsea out…wednesday hopefully knocks the wind out of chelsea,
It would be nice to win the league sabeel. Let’s keep dreaming
we should get some all kinds of light weighted gaurds,around his feet,so that he doesnt feel the impact of tackles a lot.
around RVP feet i mean
SIG- If only, but that’s what I mean by teams canceling each other out and the luck of the draw.
Yeah Franchise
another 2 months to dream of it…so soon the league is gonna end…
we got rosicky just before the start of the last worldcup…
Sabeel, you’d like to win the league by depending on others not dropping points?
Can you see how that statement makes no sense?
I dunno Gooby/choy, you can easily explain the scoring records before and after he got injured with the fixtures we had….
I agree that he’s perfect for our system, and was very good, but I really don’t think it’s possible to guarantee we’d even be better off at all now if he’d been fit, we’ve dropped points in tough games, and did that with him….
It’s defensively we need to be more solid in the big games, VP wouldn’t help that….
That’s like saying you’d like to see us win a cup without having to depend on other teams losing.
Anyways,we are not gonna win nothing under Wenger.A second place,and CL quarters is all which we will have come the end of the season.
yes Truth
i dont mind Bordeaux in quarter final,then Fiorentina in Semis and Lyon in Final of CL…
Benzema can watch his former team get ripped apart by us at Bernabeau
With VP
easy games
Everton (a) 6-1 (they imploded because of internal problems, lescott etc, good team but very easy game)
Pompey (h) 4-1
Wigan (h) 4-0
Olympiakos (h) 2-0
Blackburn (h) 6-2
Brum (h) 3-1
AZ (h) 4-1
Wolves (a) 4-1
tough games
Utd (a) 1-2
City (a) 2-4
Fulham (a) 1-0
AZ (a) 1-1
West Ham (a) 2-2
Spuds (h) 3-0
since VP
easy games
Liege (h) 2-0
Stoke (h) 2-0
Hull (h) 3-0
Pompey (a) 4-1
Bolton (a) 2-0
Bolton (h) 4-2
Sunderland (h) 2-0
tough games
Sunderland (a) 0-1
Chelsea (h) 0-3
Liverpool (a) 2-1
Burnley (a) 1-1
Villa (h) 3-0
Everton (h) 2-2
Villa (a) 0-0
Utd (h) 1-3
Chelsea (a) 0-2
Liverpool (h) 1-0
Porto (a) 1-2
Things really havn’t changed that much between pre VP injury, and post VP injury, we struggled in the big games before, and won the easy games by at least 2 goals, and we’ve done the same since.
You can even compare specific games pre and post injury
2-2 away at West Ham and home to Everton
Utd 1-2 and 1-3
won one big games easily pre and post injury, Spuds 3-0, Villa 3-0
away in Europe AZ 1-1, Porto 1-2
I think having a good goalkeeper would have helped against the good teams.
I think the big games are often a lottery, but there is no doubt we were just outclassed by Chelsea both times and once by United.
Pedro you’ve got me mixed up with someone else I believe
Oh yeah we miss rvp a lot. All those games with arsh at CF.
Jaguar, you say that like you want it to happen?
haha, so I did!
I’ve just changed it.
Pedro,
what i mean is,we dont beat our direct rivals and depend on them losing points to lesser teams…
thats what i mean
But the hell to that kind of preference..i would take any league win anytime..
Pedro I wouldn’t say outclassed as such, but certainly beaten. They weren’t better footballers than us, there was just something psychologically there, that seems to be there in all the big games.
I agree too, a better keeper, who instilled confidence in the defence could’ve made the difference, and then maybe defensively we wouldn’t have made the ridiculous mistakes that we did??
Sabeel, that’s how you always win the league!
wow, pedro u re-edited the comment without re-posting…
Pedro,not that I want that to happen.But thats all I can imagine,even from the most ambitious of viewpoints.
The key word is,we wont win anything under Wenger.We will get a second place,because Manure will choke up in the end.
Pedro
why cant it be that we beat or at least draw with Manu and chelsea at Home,and then depend on them dropping points to lesser teams ?
u can see i think by my comments how bad effect the home losses to chelsea and manure has hurt me…
I think a keeper would do our defence wonders. You only had to look at Sols reaction the other night to understand that.
I wonder if Wenger will ship Almunia out next year… or go with him until he gets injured?
A.. maybe if we played with a striker .. you never know!
against the mancs and the chavs!
A did u watch those games where we couldn’t muster 1 shot on target
We started the season slowly got into form and lost our most influential player or 1 of 2
U looking at it too linearly
Any idea on how much wages is Almunia on?
Sabeel, it just seems petty that you’d even worry about that if we won the league?
Jaguar, I’m glad to hear you think we can take second… I think that is realistic… but while there is a chance of first… I’m going to believe it!
I am sure,A would be the first person to come out and say,that we missed RVP during the second half of the season.
If must knock the confidence, if you work so hard to carve out openings, then concede on the the very first attack on your goal. For me a competent keeper between the sticks is what we lack more than anything else. That together with a defensive coach, and we’d be much more difficult to beat.
Pedro,its great being optimistic.But I am sure,Wenger will mess it up,to see us eventually finishing second.
We need to win all our games.
I dont think Stoke will be as difficult as people make them out to be.
If we get an early goal the tie would be over.
I see Liverpool draw with Chelsea and Beat Utd.
And i See Utd beating Chelsea.
We have a chance.
Pedro,
I think psychologically i can only get over the fact that we lost so badly to manure and chelsea over those many games,UNTIL we win the league,
At the very nano/pico-second after we the league,i think i will forget those losses,
Until then,i am afraid,i tried,i am not able to forget those games…
RvP would have made a difference to the games… you don’t worry about committing men when there’s not striker.
Pedro,
Aluminia had a very good game against Sunderland. He did very well in one on one situations. He even covered his leg when Jones ended up with one on one situation.
David
please take your words back,stoke will be very tuf…take it back
I agree David.
If that Manc game is a draw, that puts us ahead of United, within 4 of Chelsea.
Then it really gets excited!
Truth,
thats how Fabregas,arshavin feel..exactly the same..
We’ll spank Stoke, no problem.
The boys will be massively up for it.
We also have Birmingham away.
You forget that at post vp we were out of the race and only a major slip up by chavs got us back in the race. I doubt we would have won 1 in 6 since stoke if vp was fit and rearing to go.
I agree with A,
Things havent changed much since RVP left
We struggled in the big games regardless.
Ofcoarse having a player like RVP helps but ive always said we needed a striker in addition to RVP to give us another angle.
The fact that Wenger seems to think so and sacrificed this season to get his Striker re: Chamakh
Is one of the many reasons why id like to see him off.
I think at some points in those remaining 11 games,we will surely be even on top with same points,the crunch factor is,will we be able to hold on to the top spot as soon as we get it?
or will we become nervous and put ourselves under pressure which we are not used to,of leading the league table in the remaining closing do-die games of the league..
pedro, i thinks chelsea will lose one. a draw between them and united would be perfect. shame they can’t both lose to each others.
It will be tuf against stoke,thats all am saying, But i hope so that we do too…and we stuff this non-footballing team…
Sabeel why should I take it back?
We played Stoke in the FA cup…and were naive defensively…but we didnt play them at full strength!
Is there a game people don’t say we should be wary of these days?
David
its the long throws and setpieces which are our weaknesses which makes it tuf for us…thats why i asked to rec-consider wether it is a easy game or not..
Pedro
I am wary of not the games,i am wary of the performance of certain players whose performance depends on outcome in games like stoke games,and such players are like Almunia the great..
i am wary of performance of out players like Almunia the great in stoke-type of games..
Yes But Sol is good at defending set Pieces Sabeel
I dont expect Wenger to play Silvestre!
And i certainly dont expect that Fuller can outmuscle Sol Campbell.
we should not be worried about other teams,we should be only and only worried about our performance,and i hope we turn up defensively well…thats all to be wary of,
David,
Campbell played well in the FA cup games against stoke..and i think he will be more trained to handle that stuff come saturday when we go there..
I dont know how we would be going for Ireland at this point.
The only reason I would buy Ireland would be to make money.
Not so he can contribute to the team.
If we get him on the cheap I expect him to play a handfull of games…look the business and be sold off to the Italians.
Wilshere would be back, I hear this Afobe chap is like Diaby without the need to fuck up.
So we have too many CM.
I think JET will be a Striker.
Have faith Sabeel,
Dont really on hope..but do have faith…it aint over just yet.
We will beat Stoke… Especially since they have a midweek game…the player will tire…and Walcott will have another chance to prove himself…either as a fuck up or as WC material.
Afobe is a striker david
A, on RVP. The results may not have shown a difference but I think its clear we struggle much more in attack without him. Wenger built the attack of this new system on his role. We have no other striker like him, and IMO he should be our captain. I really think some of our more negative results could have turned out different with him in the side, ie, everton, burnley, maybe even utd/chelsea but probably not. RVP and Fabregas imo, were the two players we needed fit all year, and Im shocked were doing so good w.o RVP. How good would united be doing without Shrek? Fuck
against a team like stoke i would want to go with sole every time infact i would sole with gallas in stead verm against chelsea he i think better chance against a beast like drogba,sole as looked very solid he very good leader,knows hwo cammond the defence very good at deal with set plays and i cant any player bullying him either and if he can keep up his performance levels i would offer him contract extention for sure very much the kind of no nonsence defender this team needs
I think a strong defence is absolutely vital in the big games, and thats where we come up short.
Aneke could be described as Diaby like, not Afobe. Afobe is very much a centre forward.
I thought he was an Attacking midfielder.
Apologies.
Stoke away…
hmmm.. well we just have to win all the games .. so lets see what the lads are made up of!
Yeah guys,right
i think i should get myself some icecream to cheer myself up,its unusual am so pessimistic 2day
Alright,thanks All for your company
1.30am here, off to real sleep,unlike ashley cole kind of sleep…
this is Le-Groverholic signing off…
luke (and others) I agree that we’ve missed VP, he’s obviously a top top player, and we were better with him, but results wise I really don’t think it’s possible to say we’d be even one point better off with him, as the points that we’ve dropped, we dropped with him in the same sorts of games, and we’ve not dropped any points in the really easy games.
Lol, Sabeels having a Haagen Dasz moment!
Zzzz.zzz..zz….
gambon,i dont leave le-grove even in sleep…Zzzz.zzz.zzzz
watch out gambon…Zzzz.zzzzz…
Stay strong Sabeel, I’ve got a good post for you tomorrow.
Thank You Pedro
will look forward for that as always ..
Pedro
Sabeel has already read and commented on it!
Besides…Id rather have Ozil Mezut.
haha, he called me a cunt and told me to support the Chav’s… I might pull the post!
Is it that PaulPaul bastard?
He…that fool came on here on matchday and would rather moan and bitch about Arsenal fans than watch Arsenal play football.
Idiot.
Yeah PaulPaul is a right cunt.
Id be happy if we got Mesut Ozil.
I think hed offer more directness than Nasri..and he can play on the wing behind Arshavin or take over when Wenger refuses to renew Arsh’s contract at 30.
a not sure about that because when rvp is there not only would this team has scored more goals he would provide a tonn more assists to he can play loan striker which suprised me and like henry rinaldo rooney has the ability to carry a team however this only him and maybe edwardo how are top class but edwardo is player who short match fitness and confedence and my view this needs at least 1 more top class striker maybe 2.as far as the defence goes the real problem is only 1 defensive minded midfeilder all rest are all attacking song realy the only one realy and acts as having 3cbs but at 21 he does have nouse to command effectively yet.for me wenger needs to get in some experienced midfielders at least 1 that defensive minded
Please don’t get him mixed up with me.Pedro what happened with the steward on saturday?
I’d like Ribery… he’s a bit too much like what we’ve got already.
Imagine that… Robben and Ribery on opposing wings… scary stuff.
haha, I wont Paul.
I Geoff was having a piss and missed the penalty, so he sat on the step after being told to sit down… then some guy came through and shouted at him… Geoff went a bit mad at him.
Served him right really. You don’t treat someone like a cunt just because you’re a steward.
Geoff and his bladder control or lack of it,must be his age.Some of the stewards are ok but others,put on the uniform and become right twats.I work with people like that.
Pedro, what about Ribery and Arshavin on opposing wings, even scarier!
David, Ozil is the exact replica of Cesc, but has more pace. He’s not that good on the wings.
A… don’t… the thought excites me too much.
Ribery is such a top player… he’s got a real edge to him.
Paul, I don’t understand the need for it… especially in club level where you’d think they’d be schmoozing people!
If we were after wide players i would take Elia or Hamsik definately.
Hamsik isn’t a wide player. He’s similar to Lampard. With more technique obviously!
Does Ozil speak French?Is he from Africa?
More technique than Lampard? Wow… he must be good!
Good point Jaguar, definately a no go.
Cedric Mongongu converted from CB to Winger it is then.
I thought Ozil was of turkish descendant, but born in Germany, could be wrong though.
A,What do you fink of David Moyes,mate?
Yeah Pedro, absolutely top class. Controversial but I reckon I’d prefer Ribery to our little Russian, though it’s a tough one, the two of them together would be nice!
Won’t happen though – Ribery will go to Barca in the summer, hopefully as their one big signing of the year, they need him much more than they need Cesc. Or they snap up Rooney, though then Utd would probably get Ribery!
Done very well with Everton Jaguar, wouldn’t want him at us though, not sure he’ll ever make it at a top top club, he’s a better version of allardyce, good at nullifying big teams and playing as the underdog
Ribery is passion Pedro…He is like a bull in full flow, he lifts a team.
And if his team mates fuck up, he will tell them….on the pitch
I think Ribery has more of a fighters attitude than Arshavin, but our Russian has a bit more creativity… more genius perhaps.
Ritesh, he’s a bit of a nutter… but if you can tame his attitude, you’ve got an amazing player on your hands.
All this project youth is crap.
Cesc Fab(snapped up from Barca)
Ramsey(poached from Cardiff)
Wilshere(the one and only one youth prospect)
Danny Gosling,Jack Rodwell,
Fellaini,Arteta,Pienaar all were picked up from obscurity,and they dont have a scouting system as good as that of us.
Conclusion.Moyes,with a shoe string budget has done better than the French hypocrite,and that too costing his club,a package lower than Le Liar.
And add to it,the French mug,was shown the middle finger by Moyes,when he made a ludicrous bid for Louis Saha.
Fellaini, Arteta and Piennar picked up from obscurity?! Sorry what?!
Fellaini cost the same as Arshavin did!
Arteta and Piennar were cheap, as their contracts were expiring, but hardly plucked from obscurity!
Agreed about Fellaini.Arteta and Pienaar offer better value for money than mugs like Denilson.
I think Fellani was 12-15m, which at time was record fee for a Belgian. Arteta 2m from Rangers and Pienaar 2m, may have been a lone signing before being made permanent.
And ofcourse French shite Shitvestre.
Fellani for £15m is much better value than Denilson at £4m, its not even close.
What about Gosling and Rodwell,A?They are true English talents.We have only one Jack Wilshere to show despite the French hypocrite’s obsession with project youth.
And what does that have to do with project youth as well?
I’m confused there, Arteta was 23 when he joined them, Piennar 25.
Fellaini cost a bomb and was 21.
true Jaguar, but their contracts were expiring, Denilson’swasn’t
Whopps sorry loads of typos *loan*
Fellaini is not the only comparison,Gambon.Pienaar would shit all over Wenker’s love child Denilson.
If wenger left us for madrid it would not be a bad thing. maybe he would swap players llke higuain,kaka and ronaldo for the likes of denilson,fabianski and almunia.
I think Moyes will get his shot at a big club, hes only 46 and has fantastic experience now.
What about them Jaguar? You think Gosling is better than theo or ramsey, he’s only a bit younger than theo, and older than ramsey? Not sure what English has to do with it either – they signed him, not like he came through the academy.
Rodwell is class, but I don’t get your point there?
Yeah I think he might get a chance gambon, though no idea how he’ll do. Totally different trying to get an underdog to overachieve compared to trying to actually win things.
I’d never want us to bring in a manager who has never won anything now that we’re a big club, unless it was someone who’d been at the club for a while behind the scenes.
Gosling is not better than Theo,Ramsey for argument’s sake.But none of them are our academy products.Apart from Jack Wilshere,none of our academy recruits are going to cut it in the premier league.
And apparently,Wenker doesnt like the attitude of Wilshere,because Wilshere has a winners attitude,which the hypocrite cant tolerate.
That’s your opinion Jaguar, how can you say who will cut it?! Gosling isn’t an academy product of Everton any more than Theo and Ramsey are for us….
Who said anything about Wilshere’s attitude?! That would worry me, he has worried me in reserves doing petulant things and lashing out at people, looks very arrogant at times, but I just wrote it off as to do with youth, didn’t see it as a serious problem.
Currently I’d expect Wilshere, Gibbs, Merida, Lansbury, Bartley, Eastmond, Traore, to make it in the prem, and a number of others have a good chance, but still very raw.
You’ve started referring to Wenger as “the hypocrite” again Jaguar, I thought you’d stopped that, as it just sounds silly and undermines any logic in your arguments as a result of how silly it sounds….
i give 2 seasons but cesc will go barc or real mardrid soon not because is unhappy at arsenal but because all his family are ever in spain and its dream move,alot people saying aa has gone of the bowl i dont think he has been playing out position as loan striker he is much better playing deeper and runnig at defenders plus the fact he has playing injured for while now as well,just dont think this has enough defensive minded midfielders what just song,diaby can play but thats wate of clear attacking ability,craig eastmond he is baby,i know there is not that many players out there but there some and delinson is evon wor thmentioning
Jaguar, you can’t compare Denilson and Fellani… that’s like me saying Fergie is a cunt because Arshavin pisses all over Park
Denilson and Fellaini,play in the same positions,Pedro.The money spent on the players speak volumes about the quality of the players(on the pitch).
I don’t know how you can say JW has more of a winners attitude than anyone else… he’s been ordinary for us this season and Coyle hasn’t played him for 2 games despite not having any creativity.
Jaguar, you have to compare first team with first team.
Song and Fallaini is a fair comparison… not Song and Denilson.
Yeah Jaguar, but Denilson was a young promising player brought in as such, and Fellaini was a club record signing!
I wouldn’t even say it’s like Park and Arshavin, it’s like saying Fergie is a shit manager because he signed Obertan, where we got Arshavin!
Just read about Tevez… I know it’s bad to hear about his daughter… but what is he doing in Argentina? Surely he owes his club some sort of explanation?
Pedro, Denilson has played 70 games in less than 2 seasons. I think the comparison is valid.
Pedro, I thought he was granted compassionate leave for the birth of his second child?
Obertan is another cheating diving French cunt,who perfectly fits the Manure traditions.
Arshavin was a player,whom Wenger broke
the club record,to save his bonuses.
If we were not rotting in the sixth place(in Jan 09),we wouldnt have seen a certain Russian dynamite playing for us.
No comparison in their cases.
Gambon, I don’t think you can compare the signing of a 15mill player to Denilson.
He’s not first choice anymore and he’s grossly out of form.
Fellaini is first choice and pivotal to their team.
Compare him to Song… fine… but not Denilson.
OK, lets compare him to song. Fellanis better.
Comparison done.
Pedro,Denilson has never been a second choice for us.He has always been Mr.Wenger’s love child.
If he hadnt committed too many childish mistakes,he would have played against the geordie scums last week.
Jaguar that’s the point, there is no comparison, just as there is no comparison with Denilson and Fellaini!
Denilson and Obertan were brought in as young, potential players, for a low transfer fee.
Fellaini and Arshavin were brought in as club record transfers, to come straight into the team.
To compare either Denilson with Fellaini, or Obertan with Arshavin, is ridiculous!
Pedro,if Song was/is our first choice DM,why the feck,did Wenker say that Song’s future is as a CB.
Fact is
Song took his chance.Denilson didnt
Wenger is fighting a losing cause,of proving his flawed obsessions right,infront of us,which he would never be able to.
He’s not first choice now Jaguar…
Nor will he be after this season.
Rambo, Diaby, Eastmond, Lansbury… all look better.
Gambon, I like Felaini, but I’m not sure he’s a massive improvement on Song.
I’d prefer a faster player. I like his aggression and his ability in the air.
Bah…so anyone think Carlton Cole and gang have any chance at OT?
Jaguar, players lose form. Last season, Denilson looked ahead of Song. This year, Denilson looks awful.
You can’t bank on players regressing that badly…
Right now Wenger’s proving we’re still in the title and that he was right… other teams will drop points.
Choy, you’ve got more chance of Jaguar saying something nice about Arsenal.
Pedro
IMO Fellani is certainly better.
Song doesnt have any qualities that Fellani doesnt have, where as Fellani has height, ariel ability, versatility & goal scoring ability that Song wont ever have.
Its all hypcorisy,Pedro.Wenger tinkered Eboue’s playing positions all around the park,only to destroy his confidence.When he was reinstated as a RB,he proved his worth last week.Now,Wenger came out and say that Eboue has proved his worth.
Who was wrong in Eboue’s case?A hypocrite who tinkered Eboue’s playing positions according to his crazy whims and fancies or a poor player who was a square peg in round hole one too many times?
Choy
Utd will drop points this season but i dont think tomorrow’s one of them days.
Pedro Says:
February 22, 2010 at 22:07
Choy, you’ve got more chance of Jaguar saying something nice about Arsenal.
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Got it a bit wrong there mate,you should have mentioned me saying something good about Wenger
Utd COULD drop points tomorrow, Cole could trouble their defence massively, and if Rooney misses chances then Utd have nothing going forward, but I still expect utd to win
Manure will come out all guns blazin, cant see them losing 2 on the spin. But they will drop more points, I’m sure.
It does not matter whether manscum drop points or not? you can bet your bottom dollar we will drop more points than them!!
One of our biggest problems in winning the league may be goal difference, it could very conceivably stand in the way of us winning it.
Jaguar, Eboue was moved up to right wing because he wasn’t good enough as a right back.
Someone made the point earlier today, he’s only playing there because he had no one to mark.
Gambon, maybe your right… I can’t defend Song as I’m not his biggest fan and I have always liked the Belgian.
Gambon, Burnley could be our chance to claw some goals back.
really reggie?!
I’d be a hell of a lot that we’ll drop less points than them the rest of the season!
Yes that the problem reggie, I see both Utd and the Chavs dropping points but so will we!
That’s meant to be bet, not be!
Stoke, Hull, Brum, Spuds, Wigan, Blackburn, none of those are gimmes away from home, but none incredibly tough
Home we have Burnley, West Ham, Wolves, City, Fulham, we shouldn’t drop any points there, City is the only toughish one
You reckon we’ll drop more points in those games though than Utd will in
West Ham (h)
Wolves (a)
Fulham (h)
Liverpool (h)
Bolton (a)
Chelsea (h)
Blackburn (a)
City (a)
Spuds (h)
Sunderland (a)
Stoke (h)
Looking at our and Utd’s results up to now this season it would be a surprise if we dropped more points than utd in our respective run ins….
I tell you A nothing would give me greater pleasure than being top dog again but with this current team whenever there is a chance abeit a very slim one they never seem to be able to capatilise on other teams dropping points,is it nerves or just inexpierence you tell me?
Good shout about Burnley Pedro, add in Wolves at home as well, hopefully we’ll really go for the jugular in both of those games, and really get our goal difference up.
Whenever the pressure is on they always fail us?
Or is it the other way round we fail them?
It’s neither reggie…. I don’t get what you mean? We’ve capitalised on other teams dropping points more or less every time it’s happened this season….
This season take away the big games, and we’ve dropped points in
Everton (h)
Villa (a)
Sunderland (a)
West Ham (a)
Burnley (a)
Those are the only 5 games we’ve dropped points in, and all of them are pretty tough games
Winning the league will mean catching Chelsea, but Utd are shite, and if we’re behind them come the end of the season i’ll eat my hat!
We’ve dropped less points in the games against the smaller teams than Chelsea and Utd, that’s a fact, and now we’ve only got games against the smaller teams left.
Pat
I agree Ozil is just like Cesc but quicker..and left footed.
He has played on the left wing for Bremen and refusing to sign a new contract…
I think if we have the right footed Cesc..and the left footed Ozil…with a deadly stiker…boy!
Yea…that being said id take Ribery over any mug on the planet. Even Messi.
But we’re trying to be realistic here!
Ribery at Arsenal next to Arshavin! That is one serious Football Hard on.
You said you would eat your hat if we fail to sign a striker in the last window?
I may be a little late on this but to compare Evertons starters with our fringe players is just retarded. Fellaini, Arteta and Pienaar would all start if all were available. Denilson would never start if we had everyone fit.
Also i dont think Fellaini (their record signing and easily the dirtiest player in the league) compares to either Song or Denilson. If anything he compares to Diaby and based on this season i would mich prefer Diaby tbh.
Rodwell is the only one of the players mentioned to be a proper academy player of Everton. Gosling may be good but we havent seen any of his bad performances, not because he doesnt have any but because they dont get highlighted when he does…like they do when an arsenal kid plays poorly.
How many hats is it you own?
Ha I did say I’d be shocked reggie, and I still am!
I can only conclude that something fucked up at the last minute, I still reckon Saha was a done deal, but dependent on Milan letting Huntelaar go to Everton, which they pulled out of when Keirrison chose Fiorentina over Milan!
Yea Gambon
Fellaini over Song…as a player but serves that cunt right for breaking his ankle trying to stomp on that greek fella.
He’s supposed to be a striker and has been a revelation as a DM.
That is Moyes imo. He’s gotten the best out of his players.
Gosling is very average but he fights like a little turret.
By not getting behind the team!!
Im not sure why we shouldnt role the dice with Moyes.
He’s a big game winner.
And i dont remember Wenger winning major honors before he came to Arsenal?
How can that video not show Eboue’s dive to get the ball for the throw in early on?!
Cana’s tackle really was disgusting, what a prick, can’t believe he didn’t get a red card
David, massively with you on that one. Give him resource and he’d do well.
He goes out to play the big teams… they ran United ragged!
role = roll
I missed Cana’s tackle was it a bad one then?
A, did you notice that MOTD didnt even bother to mention or show Canas tackle. Fucking disgusting!
To be fair Pedro
They ran us ragged too.
We need someone who does what Cana does.
We weren’t a really big club before we got Wenger David. I wouldn’t be happy with anyone who’s not won something now, and certainly not Moyes who’s an underdog manager, albeit a very good one.
Having players who are learning their trade and on the way to being top players is one thing, having a manager who’s not proven as a winner, when the manager has influence on every player and every aspect of the club, is quite another.
Now we’re a club competing at the top level of Europe every season, and should be competing for the title every season, we shouldn’t have any manager who’s not been there and done it imo, unless it’s a club legend who’s been there and learnt his trade behind the scenes, knows the ins and outs of the club etc.
I must admit, at the beginning of he season I was one of those who thought we’d be well out of contention come late Feb. I’m really pleased we’re not having to fight it out for the 4th spot with the likes of Totts, Shitty, Villa and l’pool. We’re in a good position just waiting to pounce on any little slip-ups, whilst not having to worry too much about whats happening below us. Given our injuries and lack of an out and out striker for the last few months, I think we’ve done well.
Yeah it’s an absolute piss take Stu, if that was an Arsenal player on one of them it would’ve been shown over and over again.
Fuck that gambon, I don’t want anyone playing for us that I’m disgusted at, Randall can fuck off because that’s the sort of player he is, a cunt
A… Madrid have hired Schuster and Pelligrini recently.
Barca went for Rijkaard and Guardiola.
Everton beat the mancs because they used tactics. They played counter attack mostly and took advantage of united missing their best CBs and having Neville at right back….
Truth, I’m not a fan of using injuries as an excuse…
We’ve not really done well… none of the top 4 have. Which is unusual… but makes it exciting.
Pedro, the difference between Barca and Madrid using inexperienced managers compared to if we did it is that those teams had a team full of experienced players who didnt need the manager to guide them.
If we got in someone new to management then we would collapse because neither the manager nor players would be experienced.
A, our high red card count correlated with success.
The fact is the game is physical, especially over here. A team with no physical qualities is at a massive disadvantage.
…in my opinion of course.
Everton finished 5th last season right behind yours truly.
If they continue their form..they will be sure to finish fourth as well…thats European football.
Thats achieving something. Thats making a small club into a big club.
A,
I understand what your’e saying but the way we’ve been going about these last couple years has certainly been
under-doggish. (is that a word?)
Which im fine with…but if Wenger choses to suggest we are not as big a club as the top 3 then we need someone who excels as the underdog.
Yeah Pedro, Rijkaard fair enough, though Guardiola was a club legend, i’d be fine with that. It’s different with those two clubs though, they aren’t looking for managers, players are brought in and sold over their heads, they just want coaches really!
Gambon being a dirty piece of shit like Cana who makes up for his lack of footballing ability by being a twat isn’t the same as having physical qualities.
Steve Bould then A… done deal.
Stu, Moyes can work on a budget, has worked with good players, developed them and kept a lot.
He’d be a great manager for someone.
We’ve done pretty well considering the state of affairs!
We haven’t had a proper striker/ goal keeper since nov and we’re still up there!
Pedro-It could be that the league has just got more competitive this year, all the top teams have lost 4 or more games, and its not done yet.
A, a dirty piece of shit is exactly what we need, probably more than any team in world football.
Flamini was a dirty piece of shit, and how we missed him, and still do.
Wtf did Almunia do to break his finger? And do you really recover from a broken finger in a week?
I really hate being lied to.
Gambon, I don’t think we need a dirty peice of shit… just a fighter.
Flamini wasn’t dirty… he was a terrier.
Btw, I like Randall…
David, I thought he damaged them.
Thing with broken fingers is there is nothing you can do about them. I played in goal with broken fingers.
When was the last time we had someone sent off?
Everton would need a bit of a miracle to finish 4th to be fair, their season start was really poor, and 8 points to make up, with 4 teams ahead of them is a bit of an ask, however good their form is at the moment!
It’s a different type of getting your club to overachieve though. We need a manager who knows HOW to win things imo, it’s a different mentality with a club who’s success doesn’t actually consist of winning anything, and a top club that EXPECTS success.
I disagree totally gambon, we don’t need dirtiness in the slightest, we need the opposite imo, defensive intelligence, not sure how dirtiness would help in the slightest.
David he didn’t break his finger, he twisted it I thought? He apparently had painkilling injections before the Utd game so he could play, and since then too, and he did for Sunderland game.
Canas tackle was very petulant imo (not sure thats the right word but fuck it). Its like he was pissed that Arsenal had total control of the ball and when he finally got with in touching distance of the ball he decided to take his anger out on poor Eboue. Thats not the kind of aggression this team needs.
Pedro, take that back..noone likes Randall. He is a cunt!
So he couldve played through the pain then?
No use moaning about spilt milk…i could understand if he needed a rest…but id have put Mannone on there seeing the form Fab was in before the game.
What were we talking about again? O yes Wenger/Moyes…
well…Judge him in 2 years.
That wouldve been his contract expired.
For such a man with great intelligence like Wenger…it is worrying how he choses a blind eye over the defence, striker..et all.
Just because certain fighty type players are/were nasty at times doesn’t mean the nastiness is what made them what they were.
Some players who are THAT determined are also nasty, but not all. You can have the fighty attitude without the cuntishness, just look at Tevez compared to Rooney.
I don’t believe the fightiness is what we need though, where we fall short is defensive reading of the game, we’re just incredibly naive defensively, the team don’t cover for each other apart from Song, and they don’t know when to take risks or just get rid, and that leaves us exposed.
Stu I wouldn’t even call it petulant, it was plain fuckheadish (i prefer that adjective) Eboue was raping them so Cana tried to ‘do him’, put him out of the game.
Lets not forget that Cana has about 3 red cards in his career.
We desperately need some physical power & height.
Speaking of those tackles, has everyone seen the tackle on Robbie Savage at the weekend?! Reckon it’s the worst, most disgusting tackle I’ve ever seen, absolutely ridiculous. Makes me really angry just watching it on the TV, despite it being a team I don’t care about, and on a twat in Robbie Savage. Can’t imagine what it would be like being a teammate or a fan at the game, would’ve lost it totally!
It depends gambon, with Denilson, Cesc, Ramsey, Rosicky, Arshavin, Nasri I’d agree, but with Song and Diaby in the midfield with Cesc, and Bendtner up top, we’re fine for height and strength imo.
Though when they’re out I agree, we don’t have depth in those terms.
When they’re out we’re lacking in defensive intelligence overall, AND physicality, when they’re in we’re still defensively naive imo, but ok physically, even powerful to an extent.
Lol
I was just about to ask if you had a link.
That is truly appalling.
In other news.. Cole might be fired by Abramovich
Honestly that doesnt even look that bad to me. Maybe its the clarity of the clip or that in pro evo thats the only way to foul someone…on purpose..
i think the fact we are the team has had red card shows that we have enough nasties in our team,i have repeating and repeating you cant win the prem with just 1 defensive minded player who is rookie just song thats it
I wouldn’t be surprised if Savage had done something to piss him off earlier in the game, but it’s unforgivable to try and hurt someone on a football pitch that badly! He should get a good few month ban imo, 3 games is nowhere near enough.
Fun game for Sunu to make his debut in too, wonder what he was doing whilst his new teammates ran to defend Savage!
leon
what red cards?
leon…lol.
Yea mehn…we need to strengthen that is for sure.
Newsnow…I really wish Theo would just shut the fuck up and do the talking on the pitch.
I dont understand why after a less than normally shite performance Arsenal FC are acting like he ran the show.
That being said i fully expect him to rape someone
Theo and rape someone
Looks to me like they’ve just had interviews with three youngsters David, Bendtner, Ramsey, and Theo, don’t get why it’s a problem!
Stoke is gonna be interesting, didn’t realise they have a midweek game, means Wilkinson will be available for us doesn’t it? He’s bound to injure someone, he really is a nasty piece of shit! Hopefully they’ll get a delay injury midweek though, and a few reds would be nice too
In a footballing Sense…
Sorry i heard someone say that earlier and thought it was funny! DDM maybe?
I wish Theo would do the right thing and hand in a transfer request!
Speaking of strengthening..i remember recently reading an interview that Traore gave and he said that they only do about 45minutes of weight training a week. Not sure if thats actually the right amount of time that he said but its about that much.
Thats just ridiculous. I know you arent supposed to go mad on weight training for young players for obvious reasons but just 45minutes a week is nothing. It should be that a day..a few hours a week at the very least. No wonder we have so many weak players.
I said it not too long ago David, it’s well established footballing terminology!
i like song song i realy do but he far far way frinished product his passing at times is very poor but great tackler holds the bull up,he does the dirty work he commit the foul rather than a get passed him in truth in ideal world he would be on the bench playing behind top class dm and although there are not to of those around there few young players out there that in my view would better option that delinson and he has got in new coaching staff because what ever there doing on the traing ground it aint working
I really pray, wish, hope, cry we win the tittle. But if we do…I never want us to do it this way again.
Yea Stoke have the 5th FA cup tie on Tuesday?
Wilkinson is a cunt…but they shouldnt be a problem..they will tire and we will tear them apart after the hour mark.
45 mins a week isnt a problem if theyre doing the right things, but id bet theyre not.
Its also a mentality thing, a lot of our players dont strike me as killers….like Lauren & Paddy
Was reading bleacher report yesterday, an article on which arsenal players might be sold in the summer. One of the candidates was Theo. In the comment section someone said that Theo was on par with Rooney in terms of goals and assists THIS SEASON, world class and worth 20m easy.
Clearly that fuckhead doesnt know anything about our players…probably doesnt even watch us play either.
Stu – Do you do much weight training ?!
Well Theo looked bulked up coming back from injury…I doubt he was Weight training for only 45 a week!
Not sure about that Stu, would create muscle fatigue if they did weights every day…. Don’t want to do any within a couple of days of a match certainly
Yeah David, I’m not THAT worried about Stoke, but not THAT confident either!
IF we win every game we should win the league, but as every game approaches I’m just thinking if we don’t win that’s the season over, if we do win then it’s just a case of looking to the next tough game!
Lauren was a great great great player.
Fuck…I miss that team. Loved Silvinho as well on the left.
Also David – agree about the way we’ve done it, if we win the title it’ll be a really weird win!
Will mean we were absolutely amazing against the little teams over the course of the season, but still absolutely terrible against the biggest teams
They would have to do a lot of their weight training in the off season, i think its unlikely we do that.
Look at how Ronaldo & Evra have developed physically compared to say Clichy & Nasri.
Not seriously keyser but i do some whenever i go to the gym. 45minutes a week wouldnt do much..if anything imo.
I don’t think there’s much problem physically, during a season if we play an overly physical team without any of the stronger players, obviously there’s going to be a difference, but not one we shouldn’t be able to work around.
It is partly mentality, we’re too nice and some of that does come down to experience, the Hull fight was great.
We’ve gone on unbeaten runs before…but I really cant see us going 100% till the end unless we get RVP back sooner.
Oh and how long is diaby out for anyone know?
Best thing about the Hull fight — Hull got fined 40k and us only 20k even though Nasri started it. Brilliant!
Stu
99.9% of people have absolutely no clue when it comes to weight training, or training in general. (not meant to be a slight on you)
45 minutes could be fine, but as A said it would be pretty tough to train seriously from Aug-May.
Its probably very hard to combine weight training (or any meaningful weight training) within a season.
There is obviously a problem with the way we train that causes so many injuries.
Wenger said they know what the problem is.
Rectifying it is another Issue.
Arsenal FC dont like change too much.
Evra’s a few years older isn’t he ? I don’t think there’s much difference physically, he just has a more Ashley Cole mentality, Clichy at times has been superhuman, where you wonder what he’s on, he’s just more lithe.
Why are we comparing Ronaldo and Nasri ? Heh.
Stu – It’s like gambon says, I remember getting the odd person at the gym saying you do this or that and I’d go and overwork myself and just be tired afterwards.
If you sit down and read about what you’re going to do every day or get a proper trainer, you’ll see more difference in probably a month then you’ve seen over several by yourself.
stu if that true that reporter must have on crack something sorry i know thoe is a few years younger than rooney but you cant compare the 2 players because thoe can run and that it,rooney has touch vision pace power evon tracks back in defence shit lets face it if he gets injured that manu done if thoe gets injured that no big thing the huge difference right there
Keyser
Im comparing the pysicality that we have vs other teams.
Ronaldo came in as a skinny kid and became a monster. Evra bulked up enourmously.
I just dont think thats part of our agenda, where as it clearly is at Utd & Chelsea (amongst others)
Clichy’s never been a beast. He’s a work horse with incredible work rate yes…but Strong in the tackle not really.
He’s best attribute is his speed…of thought.
Yeah David, I’m not confident of us winning EVERY game, but we can’t drop any points until we’re ahead of Chelsea if we want to win the league.
Gonna be interesting to see how Chelsea do the rest of the season, they’ve got a very poor away record since their game against us, and have to play Blackburn, Utd, Spuds, Liverpool away from home, all of which are far from easy away games.
I could see them getting 4 points from those games, and our dropping 8 points out of the games against Spuds, City, Hull, Stoke, Brum, ending up on level points, and it coming down to goal difference
No idea about Diaby
Im not advocating that the players go weight crazy and burn themselves out half way through the season but other teams dont seem to let weight training affect them in terms of fitness. If our players dont do it during the season then at least they should be doing it during their summer to make up for it.
Diaby apparently did something during the summer and it certainly helped him out.
We overplay the strength side, it’s not rugby, it’s mainly about endurance, the other sides we’ve had we’ren’t especially strong, thats not what stood out, I’d say it was how fit we were as a team, we’d keep going when other teams tired, we’d be a man down and hound teams until they gave out.
Gambon
Not for the sake of arguing but Carrick and Fletcher are some of the most skinny (and ugly) players you’d find.
Not exactly bulked up but Strong in the tackle nonetheless.
David I thought Wenger said they’ve been looking into it for ages, but don’t know why there are so many injuries?
gambon I’d say that Diaby, Bendtner, Song, Traore, even Theo have all put on some serious upper body strength over the summers in recent times
gambon – I don’t think there’s much of a difference, Ronaldo was 6ft when he came to them, he just filled out, Evra isn’t that strong, he’s just tenacious like Cole.
Clichy could be like that but he’s a bit more timid.
I’d agree there is a slight difference though, in that we’ve generally always been that much fitter towards the end of the season and matches.
Im aware that over training is one of the worth things you can do though. But even so 45minutes a week seems like nothing unless you go full out for that 45minutes.
Also, i seem to recall one of the arsenal players once said that Clichy was pound for pound the strongest player in the squad…think it was on soccer am or some shit show like that.
Stu – You honestly think we don’t do weights ? Or that it’s a significant difference ?!
Even if they do 45 mins of intensive weight training, they’re probably still doing loads of aerobic weight sessions, I’d rather they tried Judo or something and simply learn’t how to use their own strength better, heh.
Dunno if we’d take the risk though.
A
I think i misread the Article then
http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/wenger-we-have-investigated-injury-problems
I think we have so much energy left towards the end f matches because we generally start slowly. Apparently only 1 goal in the first 15minutes of matches all season proves it.
Barca are the opposite. Come flying out, are 3 up by half time and coast for the second half.
a no offence but thoe could with a few years int e gym so could nasri and vela but wenger likes small and nible but to me juts like light weights to me
David,
Size and strength are not overly synonomous.
As a footballer you would never want to be too big, just strong.
I never said that Keyser…just that maybe we dont do enough. Obviously i dont know what they do in training but they all seem to be pretty small imo.. Maybe its just an individual thing though and depends on the player.
People aren’t going to like this but I think we have been very unlucky over the years, and this couple with having such a young inexperienced team means we put extra strain on our older players.
We’ve had several long term injuries to key players in short amounts of time, we play 50-60 games a season because we are pretty good and the younger players are to.
Though when it comes to the big games, we want the most experienced players playing and even when they’ve played 20-30 odd games in a row we’re forced to try and eek out another one.
You can’t keep doing that, because at some point something’s going to snap. It’s like Fabregas, if you watch how he’s developed, I’d say he’s bulked up and shown progress every year, but from 18-22 and playing as many games as he has the strain starts to tell, but because he’s one of the best players in the World you don’t want to leave him out.
Stu
We were the opposite last season. I seem to recall we scored very early last season all the time. And i think we could credit that to Walcott and then Later Arshavin.
But this season we havent really had a striker.
Then there is that small part about how we refuse to take our chances.
Gambon
The point i was making was Ronaldo bulked up…and in part i agree with you…if he did…he did it on his own with the help of the trainers…but he most have wanted to get stronger on his own.
Rooney still looks the same…I mean a caveman is still a caveman.
gamdon when playing against teams like chelsea it helps i saw the likes vela nasri aa could not do a thing they needed some players rvp bretna players with some hieght and stregth
Keyser, Freddie said he’d been in the gym once during his Arsenal tenure.
I think they only pump iron if they’re asked to…
Right… I’m off to sleep!
Have a good one ya’ll!
Our Carling Cup games…and much recently our FA cup games as well have nothing to do with injuries…or the Strain on our older or experienced players.
Rooney was always big and strong. When he first started out it was mostly fat…all he did was tone it instead of bulking up…fat bastard!
Stu – If you look at it, if we’d had Djourou, Diaby and Bendtner available, they’d have played and you wouldn’t say their small.
All teams are different, Vieira, Henry and the others were big, but I wouldn’t say they were bought for their size, what stood out was how much ground they covered, and what they could do with the ball, Vieira was everywhere for someone soo big.
It’s like Fellaini, he’s good for Everton because of the way they play, but he still tires late on quite often, looks lazy and gets subbed, I doubt he’d be able to use his size effectively playing for us.
I even think it helped Everton beat United, they had terriers in midfield rather than St Bernards.
David – Van Persie wanted to play in the Carling Cup, we just haven’t had the choice either way, where we can sit a few of the odler heads on the bench.
Henry was an absolute beast physically, it definately helps. He was also incredibly intelligent & talented.
Oh I miss him, he was unbelieveable.
Ljungberg didn’t really have to though ?!
The same with Vieira, but Diaby’s loping strides growing on me to. these players are just really hard to find.
i know its not all about size but must have hieght and stregth in your team the averege height thi steam is around 5’8 and there not very powerful team either and that just dont work
Sagna at right back with Eboue right wing, he’s more effective than Walcott, Bendtner and Nasri. And has better balance. Plus Sagna and Eboues’ combined defensive strength makes that side of the field more solid and then its address the problem that Clichy is getting no cover from Arshavin. I don’t think Eboue is the best Arsenal player but he always gives 100%. Rest of the team take note
Thats what im sayin Keyser
Wenger choses these teams…like no to play RVP in the Carling Cup or not to play Arshavin in a Semi-Cup final.
I mean Wenger admitted he fielded a youth team to show they could beat utd without Arshavin. Epic Fail.
Also the injuries thing cant keep being unlucky? Surely there is a science behind this misfortune somewhere that the club are being cheap and are not looking for a solution.
The average height of the team is about 5’11″ leon, the only player we have who isn’t taller than 5’8 is Arshavin!
We’re shorter than most, but it’s exaggerated the difference that makes, and the extent of the difference. It’s only really relevant at set pieces. Power and strength is much more significant though
Im not a big fan of blaming things on luck.
Look at last season, we were 18 points off the lead, no amount of bad luck creates an 18 point gap.
Or RVP being out this seasom, that isnt bad luck, its bad planning.
LOL Leon, 5ft8 average height? Surely that cant be right? Arshavin is that height. There arent many smaller than him…
Or is 5ft 8 just a guess?
In fact, by my reckoning the average height of the first team is exactly 6′
That’s going on
Almunia
Sagna Gallas Vermy Clichy
Cesc Song Diaby
Rosicky VP Arshavin
Yeah just under i think A.
Thats assuming the first XI would be constant though A…and also assuming that thats our first choice starting XI too. Maybe Bendtner would start on the right or Theo…either way it would change.
VP being out of the season is bad planning gambon?! How’s that?! That challenge would’ve injured Drogba or Rooney for the season, I don’t see how ANYONE could’ve anticipated it, and certainly don’t think anyone planned on it happening!
Though I don’t think VP’s injury has made much of a difference points wise over the course of the season.
stu arshavin is shorter that that i think
Arshavin is 5 foot 7 and a half apparently, or 5’4 for the sake of singsongs.
He is about 172cm Gooby. Thats 5ft8…. or 5ft7.5 either way its about 5ft8.
Tut tut A, i thought you of all people would be annoyed by his 5’4 chant because of it being incorrect..i know i am.
A
RVP has missed large chunks of all but last season.
Going into a season expecting him to play consistently is extremely naive.
David – Van Persie got injured before the game, people make a big deal of the Arshavin thing, the week before we played Villereal or something and we had like 3 injuries to our defence from one game.
Thast either luck, or that the stress and strain was too much.
gambon – Tell that to the people who’ve been saying we’re lucky other teams are dropping points, never understand that.
It’s not just Van Persie is it though, there’s Eduardo, Diaby, Doctors not diagnosing Rosicky’s injury, Fabregas last year, first serious injury and he’s out for months at a time.
I can understand people saying it’s because we take our fitness to the limits we push them too hard, but I think we’d have looked into that.
I remember Hleb getting injured for us 2 seasons ago and because it’s England no-one gives a shit, but there was no way Carew could have got to the ball, all he wanted to do was stop him and he took him out from behind.
There’s luck and then there’s players like Shawcross going through the back of Adebayor’s achilles after the balls gone out for a throw in.
Luck shouldn’t come into Ebway being ok, rather than being out injured, but when players jump in like that and are allowed to do we get lucky ?!
Bad planning in the sense that we couldve Strengthened but we are tunnel vision dead set on Chamakh.
I hope he is a 40 goal a season striker ffs.
Yeah gambon, but ultimately he played almost all of last season, and his injury didn’t come about because of ‘injury proneness’
Young players often have muscle injuries early on in their careers, Gerrard did hugely, but then they can get over them, VP seemed to have gotten over those problems, grown out of them, but was just unlucky this year to get that challenge on him.
I still don’t believe we’d be much, if at all better off with VP.
Our problems are defensive, and no single player will solve them, unless a keeper could come in and give everyone confidence defensively, though I’m not even sure confidence is the problem.
I think Manure will drop points tuesday..
I watched MUTV last night and Evra was interviewed after the match and he said all the players were complaining of being tired before the Everton game….
Obviously they will prepare mentally but I feel West Ham with renewed vigour and confidence can cause a “tired Manure problems….remember they will also have the Carling Cup final in the back of their minds as well….so there will not be much rest for the first choice players….
Hopefully this triggers a collapse for them..
I hope West Ham hold them to a draw…thats good enough for us…
We had Gallas out at Villareal…we had JD out the next game in the EPL.
We were forced to play Silvestre…and Almunia if we were honest was decent but not having the greatest season…Gibbs was just way over his head having to deal with Ronaldo…
It is shocking that we didnt give the boy a little bit of covering…was Eboue injured?
Ofcoarse not.
Its not like he hasnt played Sagna on the right and Eboue on the left before.
Our problems are defensive in part..and error prone in part
Ramsey giving the ball away for K.Jones 1-1 with Almunia…looked ghostly similar to Denilson giving the ball away and Steven Penis Goal against Almunia.
If we had a target man…i think the free flowin would be alot free-er and we wouldnt have to force the side to side passing.
People under pressure like Denilson would have an outlet to lash to ball to in times of crises.
its so much the hieght its lack stregth in the team thoe vela nasri risicky etc now take bretna daiby and song out of that were stregth power in the team that real point here
A – I think we would’ve been, organistaion and discipline come down to stability quite often, play players long enough together and they’ll work out the quirks.
It’s why United have remained in the hunt, because while they’ve been poor at the back, they’ve kept stability up front.
If you know what Van Persie’s going to do and what he gives you, you can predict how things are going to pan out during games.
If we are forced to swap and interchange players rather then through choice we’re always going to get problems.
JA
I like the way you think there…but to be fair…Utd are not the problem.
Its Chelsea.
I disagree totally David, for me it’s the other way round, we’ve already scored shitloads of goals this season, but if we were stronger defensively then we’d score many more, because we often mess up the final ball or finish and alot of that is down to our often being a goal down which puts the attackers under more pressure.
If we were stronger defensively the attackers would be more relaxed in front of goal, both with the final balls, and finishes.
A proper target man as such would totally cripple our system, and we wouldn’t have scored anywhere near as many overall.
If there was a target man, the free flowing football couldn’t be free, because it would mean the central forward staying central, being easy to mark, and massively reducing the space for all the other players centrally.
Well as for Chelsea …they have tough away games with Liverpool and Manure…also some other tough away games as well….plus hosting Man City….
They have the toughest fixtures of the 3 title chasers….so lets see how they fair…
I just hope we push them to the last day…if we come second hopefully this will inspire Wenger/the squad to push us over the line next year with a couple signings and renewed commitment..
I don’t Keyser, not points wise, just from analysing us before and after VP. Our problems are defensive in the big games, and in other games when we struggle to score we had similar games with VP, you can’t score EVERY game.
I agree though that VP would’ve made a difference to the patterns of play, we may have scored more goals and clicked more when we were really flowing, but points wise I really don’t think there would’ve been much of a difference.
Was looking at all the fixtures earlier and posted that –
“With VP
easy games
Everton (a) 6-1 (they imploded because of internal problems, lescott etc, good team but very easy game)
Pompey (h) 4-1
Wigan (h) 4-0
Olympiakos (h) 2-0
Blackburn (h) 6-2
Brum (h) 3-1
AZ (h) 4-1
Wolves (a) 4-1
tough games
Utd (a) 1-2
City (a) 2-4
Fulham (a) 1-0
AZ (a) 1-1
West Ham (a) 2-2
Spuds (h) 3-0
since VP
easy games
Liege (h) 2-0
Stoke (h) 2-0
Hull (h) 3-0
Pompey (a) 4-1
Bolton (a) 2-0
Bolton (h) 4-2
Sunderland (h) 2-0
tough games
Sunderland (a) 0-1
Chelsea (h) 0-3
Liverpool (a) 2-1
Burnley (a) 1-1
Villa (h) 3-0
Everton (h) 2-2
Villa (a) 0-0
Utd (h) 1-3
Chelsea (a) 0-2
Liverpool (h) 1-0
Porto (a) 1-2
Things really havn’t changed that much between pre VP injury, and post VP injury, we struggled in the big games before, and won the easy games by at least 2 goals, and we’ve done the same since.
You can even compare specific games pre and post injury
2-2 away at West Ham and home to Everton
Utd 1-2 and 1-3
won one big games easily pre and post injury, Spuds 3-0, Villa 3-0
away in Europe AZ 1-1, Porto 1-2″
ray davies’s interview 2009
How would you spend your ideal day off in London?
Ray: I’d wake up really early, go for a walk on Hampstead Heath and then have a nice lunch somewhere, get a little bit drunk, stroll home and switch on the TV or go to the match and watch Arsenal win. Then I’d celebrate afterwards by having a nap and then writing a song about it. Writing is still an integral part of my day, especially on a Saturday.
Certainly though, with VP we would’ve played nicer football, some of the 2-0s may have been more, there could even have been Burnley changed to a 2-1, or Sunderland a 1-1, but I really don’t think the results in the big games would’ve changed, or it’s certainly not possible to guarantee it, as people seem to have just taken as granted.
A – I don’t think you can look at it like that, when you think about it, it’s a short space of time, but the team was definetly a lot more confident and despite the losses you could still see us progressing together.
Look at the games individually and we played United without Fabregas, Citeh without Arshavin, I can’t remember the last time we’ve had several key players fit and playing at the same time.
We build up momentum and it’s cut short and we start again, when you play the top teams you need to have that momentum with you, and it tells if you don’t.
Arshavin had good oppurtunities against both United and Chelsea, if not to score, but to at least open up the game, I think Van Persie would’ve played a significant part in that to.
Cant disagree more A,
We went on a long unbeaten run last season and had problems scoring…with only 1 part of the back 5 that we have out now.
Also we’ve never really been a clinical team. At least these players havent.
Eduardo has been shocking.
We’ve had problems scoring in big games…and in tight games…i seem to recall the Fulham game where we resorted to long ball tactics…
A strong defense doesnt help an attack anymore than a Strong attack helping a weak defense…
Also agree that RVP wouldnt have had much of an effect on the season thus far…but for different reasons…
We prob wouldve beat Burnley instead of drawing. We prob wouldve beat Villa but unlikely we’d have drawn with Sunderland imo…
We need a plan B in these games…we are not Barcelona because we dont have the spine of Barca..and bar Arshavin..we really didnt have much creativity going for us when Cesc has a poor game.
it must be said not have rvp is has been problem but also there huge mistakes made defensively and quite a few times and thats when song isand they have playing as well and they have learned the still leav them selves wide open i saw that against porto the mentality has always been out score the opistion and you have 3 top strikers you can get away with that but this has not evon come close to that,now this team has defensive for long long while in my view and only when he come up against teams like chelsea man city manu we were exposed because they better strikers and and the likes of manu and chelsea defend well we failed to break them down,lets face it every time this team has come up against the better team they had problems breaking them dwon and they make them pay
Yeah true Keyser, obviously it isn’t as simple as that, but people making out that things have been totally different without VP compared to when he was fit are exaggerating massively imo, and you just have to look at the fixtures to see that. This Arsenal strikerless talk is a massive myth imo that’s somehow become accepted as fact!
VP is obviously a quality player, and would’ve made a difference to the patterns of play, and potential for goals coming out of nowhere etc, but results wise we’ve not suffered anywhere near as much as some make out.
Both help each other David.
We get on top of teams, and if there was a strong defence there then the pressure would build and build and build, and the opposition would be much more likely to succumb to it. As it is we start to build pressure, have and miss a chance or two but then it gets totally relieved by letting in a silly goal. If those silly goals didn’t happen the pressure would build and build and we’d be more likely to break through
Likewise ball retention helps to protect the defence, but our ball retention is very good.
You cant underestimate the importance of having a class striker or someone who scores a goal out of nothing.
The pressure to score would be off us if we’ve got a goal early and we would be more relaxed to play our own game.
I think Wenger has alluded to this before…but we dont take that much time to break down defenses rather we dont have the quality up front to finish these chances those frustrating the players.
It all sounds academic…but the overcomitment in attack and our CB playing like CF is down to the missing piece of the puzzle.
Scoring is on everyone’s mind…not defending.
Thats down to a couple of things…coaching could be one…and lack of personnel another.
Liverpool are great defending and they play one-touch football like we do…but they lack the personnel in attack.
A – It’s becoming an obsession, but we’ve played an unchanged side once in a 101 games, I think thats been a massive problem.
When you’ve got young, inexperienced albeit talented kids you need as much consistentcy around them as you can find.
Ramsey played well against Sunderland, but he could have made as costly a mistake as you’ll find anywhere, I don’t think if we’d had Gallas back there and Vermaelen in his preferred position, Jones would’ve had as good a chance as he did.
It’s things like that, that have cost us, all players will make mistakes, I feel if we’d been able to field a consistent side that we could make changes to through choice, we’d have been far better off.
The same if we’d had Van Persie, or any of the other injured players, we aren’t even close to seeing how good this side could be.
A player like Torres makes all the difference.
a i cant see this team having chance of winning the chapions legue simple because the miskes they defensive you might get away against the likes stoke everton villa etc but against team like manu chelsea barc madrid etc they will back you pay to many to top players are in those teams and they will make you pay
Yeah true Keyser, obviously it isn’t as simple as that, but people making out that things have been totally different without VP compared to when he was fit are exaggerating massively imo
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yes and thank god it is just YOUR OPINION a, the reality is he was our TOP scorer even in front of cesc in the tally count when he was struck down , so to say he wouldn’t have influenced ANY of the past 10 games or so is just silly talk ..
he was good for us losing at least 6 points ..
IMO .. possibly more if you include cups we have been knocked out of .
he is far from our savior i do agree , but he is the best on the tools we have in front of goal .always has been since TH14 left ..
not only is his goals scoring missed , his assists are also missed ..
so in short Of course not having your MAIN attacking threat available will change the course of your future ..
But wenger could have rectified that in the transfer window , but would rather wait until chamakh is on a free and ruin our season in the process …
thats the reality A !
i think RVP is a watered down DB10 , great support striker , can get lose in the box and has the smarts to play 1 or 2 touch football in the box , he is sorely missed . and NEVER afraid to shoot !!!!..
same can be said for theo being long term injured or nasri ..
in both cases theo’s and nasri’s advancement this season was hampered by injury , so in effect we are in a similar position to last season minus ade … toure / TV is more than an ok replacement …
nik b as ive already stated isnt ready ..
and probably needs a full season on loan at a club who will play him every week religiously ..
but i dont think Arsenal FC can afford anymore down time on manufacturing players ..
we need results …. YESTERDAY !
Yeah true Keyser, obviously the more players we’ve had fit for a greater period of time would make a big difference, but regardless of that the individual mistakes that we’ve made in big games still shouldn’t be happening, certainly not on such a regular basis.
Yeah neither can I leon. Obviously every one off game you’ve got a chance in, and we could get a lucky draw etc, but I’ve not had much confidence in this side since day 1 in terms of the champions league, because we could implode and be thrashed in any game against anyone half decent.
The league was always where I was much more hopeful, because it was always the case that we could lose the majority of the big games, and smash all the smaller teams, and still come out on top. If we can just keep playing as we have been and get the same sorts of results we have all season we should certainly be in there with a shout come the end of the season.
we need all killa’s , no filla’s
in next years team , when looking back on it
song – denilson and diaby benefited largely from injuries to rosick – nasri – theo -dudu – rvp etc ..
or our worst players have become average , and our top players have remained static thru injury ..
unless wenger has a major reshuffle next season
and has a clean out , we wont win next term either …
a i know wenger wants blood young players nothing wroung with that fergi does itbut can you realy see a players like almunia or delinson or bretna getting into barc or madrid team wenger needs to get real
most horror mistakes A where made in defense or goal keeping .. or our inability to score clinically due to NO STRIKERS (which i told you pre season !) and you laughed
those could also have been rectified in july 09..
management is directly to blame for poor team selections and lack of transfer activity when it so GLARINGLY NEEDED IT !
this neglect continues to leave us in limbo ..
but ask yourself this ?! would you want to pay the top price in the UK for a ticket to an average team ?
soon that will be the factor in all this going tits up if this continues any longer ..
not everyone has patients like you A !
some of us are 120 years old and wont see another season
ethan this may come below manu or chelsea but they far better than average but to win prem you need to better that good you to be exceptional
average by C.L standards leon .. we are not much better than porto … not glaringly better …
in fact we lost to them so , you pretty much know it as fact .. we are NOT in the 5 or even 10 top teams in the world ..
and we used to be ..
if the past 10 – 15 years were a history gauge we would be in the dark ages .. currently , this is the worst silverware drought from some time ..
ethan your quite right there real mardrid bard ac milan interevon with when all great players we still not win cl
when you look at our fixture list and then look at Chelsea and Manu’s you have to admit that we are in with a very good chance of winning the league.
ha ha.
as if.
I translated one of Leons posts and formatted it correctly because I think he makes some excellent points.
“I feel the time that we gained prem will depend on the east time equipment has learned of its errors.
he very wrrying that the errors against manu and the chelsea is still reaccuring abiertos they wide now continued being, yes has accessory easier but these equipment is still quite good for doing the payment to them for mistakes incur.
legth of the deficiency in the preoccupations of the squad much without the song or diaby tyrannizes easily to this equipment.
Also with aa and edwardo towards outside other 2 weeks I do not do really that much confedence in the account of bretna or thoe that much, I feels that there is hardly to many problems in this equipment to gain prem.
It does not secure wroung this good equipment but great equipment to me”
It’s hard to argue with that.
I did the same for ethans 1 post that he repeats endlessly
สยอง ขวัญ ที่สุด ผิด พลาด ที่ A ใน การ ป้องกัน หรือ เป้าหมาย การ รักษา .. หรือ ไม่ สามารถ ของ เรา คะแนน เพื่อ clinically เนื่องจาก STRIKERS NO (ซึ่ง ผม บอก คุณ ฤดู ก่อน!) และ คุณ
ผู้ ที่ จะ ได้ รับ การ rectified ใน เดือน กรกฎาคม 09 ..
การ จัดการ เป็น โดยตรง โทษ สำหรับ การ เลือก ทีม ยากจน และ ไม่มี การ โอน เมื่อ เพื่อ แจ๊ด จำเป็น IT!
ละเลย นี้ ยัง คง ปล่อย เรา ใน บริเวณ ขอบ รก ..
แต่ ถาม ตัว เอง นี้! จะ ต้องการ ค่า ใช้ จ่าย ด้าน บน ใน สห ราช อาณาจักร ตั๋ว ไป ทีม เฉลี่ย หรือ ไม่
ทันที ที่ จะ ปัจจัย ใน ทุก หัวนม ไป นี้ ขึ้น หาก ยัง คง .. ใด ๆ อีก ต่อ ไป
ไม่ ทุก คน มี ผู้ ป่วย เช่น คุ A!
บาง เรา มี 120 ปี และ เคย เห็น ฤดู อื่น:)
you have to agree that it makes even less sense in Thai than it does in English…
*เพียง แค่ การ หลอก Ethan!
*just kidding Ethan!
*คน ร่วมเพศ สุนัข คุณ เกย์! ฉัน จะ ไม่ เห็น ด้วย กับ สิ่ง ที่ คุณ พูด คุณ นาย ตูด.
*you make a lot of good points even though i dont always agree.
A, on RVP. Ive reconsidered. I dont think anyone can know if RVP would have made a difference, if he hadnt been injured. I remember thinking after cooling off from our consecutive manchester losses that the team would learn from the mistakes, the attack would develop, same with the defense. If RVP had been fit, maybe he would have further developed understandings with other forwards. Who Knows? Maybe we wouldnt give the ball away as much on attack? No one can know for sure. But I truly think we could have beaten Utd and chelsea with him. Why? 1. We lost to Utd at Old Trafford with him, and we should have won. Back in September, you would figure with a rematch at the emirates (with RVP), we could win. 2. He won at stamford bridge last year with his 2 goals in 5 minutes. BUT, you really cant say can you? Damn Shame RVP. Get better.
GOOBY! Whered you find that Ray Davies interview? I had no idea the kink was a gooner!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3pP7xaOg5s
bad song warning
Song has much more defensive discipline than Fellaini. Fellaini is much more feisty, but in our 4-3-3 Song suits us more than Fellaini ever would. If anything, Fellaini would compete with Diaby for that 3rd midfield spot.
Cesc-Song-Diaby
or
Cesc-Song Fellaini
Personally, I’d choose Diaby.
come on, no one on pacific time here?
Agreed Pat, but Fellaini would be nice to have on the bench over ole denilson
Ive got a good friend who knows Ray Davies throiugh his businesses and has had lots of dealings with him over many years.
Unfortunatley he says he’s one of the biggest pricks he’s ever met. One of the most arrogant and needlessly rude people ever.
Always put me off him because my friend is one of the straightest, funniest and most down to earth people I’ve ever met and I’ve never heard him say a bad word about anyone. Except for Ray Davies.
Thinking about it he also said Danny Minogue is a proper cunt.
He also tells a blinding story about Brian May out of Queen but it takes too long to type.
But Brian Comes out of it really well.
would never figure a kink to be that way.
it makes less sense because ,
in thai it makes no sense at all !
where did you get the translation from ? your 60 year old ladyboy boy girl friend ?
or did you use one of your Canadian websites ?
oh and by the way …
.. my banana isnt happy to see you !
but thanks for asking AA23
its clearly a kink in his armour
ethan
I got the translation off of Ray Davies
so yes
G’Day all
Its time to give Stoke a lesson. And in doing so, it will help the cause with 3 points.
AA23 do you have a crotch sniffing dog by chance
?
Ethan
how dare you talk about my ladyboy wife like that.
I thought we were mates.
we really cant lose another game…in all seriousness.
ting tong ramma damma ding dong ?
?
is he still your wife
Ethan
I thought the translation made no sense?
seems like you have a 60 year ladyboy boy girlfriend translator of your own.
you sly old dog…
…eater
I cant do that acid house smiling face you do or i’d do it now.
luke if we got several key players back from injury / form …
AA23 – RVP – JD – GIBBS etc .. things could hypothetically be possible ..
but next season wenger would need to add , because if by some fucking miracle we did win the league it wouldn’t be thru beating the best ..
Agreed Ethan. Gibbs wont be back, and Ive heard Djourou is doubtful. To be honest at this point, and I hate myself for saying this but, for RVP, I think he shouldnt even try to come back unless we are close to winning. Why? He is going to the worldcup and I dont want him to be fatigued/injured for next year. I cant handle another RVP injury. And on adding to the Squads…YES!
1. Hugo Lloris/Akinfeev
2. Chamakh
3. Subotic
4. Denilson for Matuidi
Ethan
I got rid of him and married her uncle ying tong iddle i po
she’s a forceful yet sensitive lover
I cant do that acid house smiling face you do or i’d do it now.
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i know keyboards in Canada still are only in 9 pin form
not sure they even had a numerical key pads out that way yet ….
anyway for you mice on an elastic band is still the cheapest form of 12V power out that way still .. must cost a fortune in cheese thou
thank god you live in a Hamish community
Yeah he,s terrific that,s why we bought Sagna because Eboue is great what a joke Eboue is a back up right back at Arsenal levelat best horrible every where else would never get a game in any other position if it wasn,t 4 financial constraints holds on to long crosses badly wastes chances even the goal he ran into a dead end crossed it in blind hope & it rebounded back to him & he WE got lucky at the 2nd try
He would never get a game at any other position so he is bad Damian? Yeah Gallas would never get a game as CF so HE FUCKING SUCKS. Great logic guy… Eboue is a great player. In form he is better then sagna any day IMO
Oh yeah, and its Wenger who plays him at other positions. Dont blame eboue for not being a great RW, that isnt his position.
Ethan
I live in an Amish community
I left the “Hamish” community when I got deported from Scotland for eating Terriers.
We do use mice as a form of electricity here in Canadia but only when we arent shoving them up our arses for “warmth”
Akinfeev , yes id like igor to join !
top shout that , he looks on track for being one of the keeping greats..
thats the sort of pick wenger should have made 2 years ago ..
there are plenty to pick from in the EPL teams anyhoo .
id probably prefer any of the 3 1st choice goal keepers who get relegated this season over Big AL
hey just as well wenger only adds players if they are better than what we currently own !
gee must of been hard to find better than big al
where was he looking ?
welling under 8′s ??
david james has 15 years left in him,
maybe wenger will pounce on pompey
David James Has a retarded brother that rides a tricycle around Welwyn garden city.
I’d sign him over David
Harsh AA23. Fact is, there are better keepers out there than almunia, so get the feck on it wenger.
What’s harsh Luke?
Hes not THAT bad
We should just start putting Schezney into games at this point. Hes probably better than fabianski.
Akinfeev
Sagna-Subotic-Verm-Clichy
———-Song————–
——Cesc—–Diaby
Rosicky————–Arsh
———–Rvp————
Subs: Almunia, Eboue, Gallas, Ramsey, Denilson, Chamakh, Nasri
I’d still sign the brother. He’s fitter because of the bike riding, he’s younger and he doesnt smoke.
He’s slightly mentally challenged but that doesn’t mean that he wouldnt make a decent keeper.
He’d be a lot better than any of the idiots we have now.
Surprised at your Prejudice frankly Luke. You seem like a pretty level headed poster usually.
you are coming across like Glen Hoddle in the way you have a pop at those less fortunate than you.
Gallas would probably start…
Oh AA23. Boredom on le grove
Luke
Have you been seeing Eileen Drewery?
your sickening comments about the disabled have really made me feel bilious.
Is diamond lights playing in the background as you spout this prejudiced filth?
I hope Kevin Keegan replaces you on Le Grove.
I didnt make any comments about the disabled. I know youre kidding, and you know what AA23, the fact that you would turn such a sensitive subject such as mental disability into a joke is a disgrace.
This is dumb…were talking about mental illness when we should be discussing arsenal fc
Luke
my sister is mentally disabled
well she’s pretty thick
haha
Luke
you are right mate we should be talking about Football and not mental disability.
Not much on the grover front…Cant wait till stoke though!
I almost said we had a chance of winning the league but we just agreed not to have anymore mental disability based talk on here.
Luke
are you taking the fucking piss?
I think we can win the league if we win every game. I think it is in our hands but do I think we will win every game…that is another story.
you tell me off for being out of order to retards and then bring up Stoke!
you are an evil man
hahaha…we will win.
Luke
In all seriousness we have a fantastic chance if we win every game.
In fact if we win every remaining game we will definitely win the league. I’m positive of that.
But can you really see us winning every single game from now on?
you think we will win the league? Champions league? (I cant believe Im asking the ladder)
Not at all AA23. Not without RVP. Think we will lose 1 draw 2 maybe.
But I believe we can
Take care AA23 and believe babY! Were still in it! Fuck logic
Our full strength first XI could win the CL.
But it would need everyone fit and we havent had that for more than 2 games in a row this whole season, and it would need a belief and fight that i havent seen yet.
If we could have kept our early season XI fit and playing week in week out we would have won the league already.
We would have been at least 12 points clear right now and with our run in, guaranteed champions.
Our remaining opponents would be dreading 5 nil hidings and just trying to keep scorelines respectable.
Once again we cant keep the same fucking side on the pitch for more than 3 games in a row…
and yet we are still in both comps…
We will definitely beat Stoke though.
Put money on that.
the united chav match will be interesting as hell if we havent lost any match till then.
Morning All,
Hoping for a more points being dropped by Manure tonight,
we can watch un-official arsenal signing chamakh tonight,too..lets see how he does…maybe will score another header…
Yup hope Zola can rally his troops.
I’d take a 2-2…Shrek on the double…he’s my capt
Looks like every1s really drunk.
ethangunner Says:
February 23, 2010 at 06:29
david james has 15 years left in him,
maybe wenger will pounce on pompey
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chill out AA …
i was only being sarcastic …
david james is way too high profile for wenger too choose !
iceman
i dare say,manu lose,and we go second on saturday,
Title here we come. Plus titties
C’mon you Irons!
ManU are playing the CC final this weekend, if we win, we go second, morning all!
Lose at theirs?
Against West Ham?
Wishful thinking but I’m all for it.
Ok fine…2-3…Shrek still on the double
Morning,
Geoff, not if they beat West Ham today.
Morning geoff
we go second provided if manu lose i feel,as there goal difference is 6 goals better than us
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