Spanked by the Mancs in our own back yard. Same old, same old, eh?

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So after failing to secure the right signings in 2 transfer windows, Arsenal slumped to humiliating defeat at home to Manchester United. Are we out of the title race? No. Are we likely to catch Chelsea and our Manchester foes? Very, very doubtful.

It’s de ja vu. The last three seasons have been exactly the same. We fail to sign players in the summer despite huge sums of money being available to the manager, all the fans can see that we lack the quality to make a sustained challenge, then we fail to deliver.

Arsenal were out fought all over the park yesterday in what was a meek depressing performance. A team as youthful and vibrant as ours should not be struggling against an aging Paul Scholes, an average Fletcher and a slightly better than mediocre Michael Carrick.

Wayne Rooney and Nani destroyed our backline time and time again and we had no answers.

The first goal saw Nani rinse Clichy on the left, hit the by line, chip a cross to the back stick where Almunia was on hand to push it into his own net. Surprised? I wasn’t. Almunia has been nothing short of incompetent all season. It is clear to all that watch his defence, that he is not trusted. He flaps at crosses, is erratic with high balls into the box and looks like a man on the edge. We can all see it, why can’t Wenger? Once again, persisting with an underperforming player has cost us an important goal. In football, sentiment is an aged value. Wenger seems to have it in abundance for his favourites.

Arsenal were attacking in spits and spats. Arshavin seemingly the only one with glory on his mind, selfishly at times tried to do it all by himself. He had a few glorious chances that he spurned and he also missed a few opportunities to play a team mate in… preferring to shoot.

The second goal came from an Arsenal corner, United broke, Rooney powered the whole way up the pitch and finished an easy chance. Where was Denilson? What was he doing? How can we have a player in the middle of the park with such weak physical attributes? Pathetic.

The second half opened and Wenger refused to make any changes. Instead, believing our team of one dimensional tiny people could spark some resistance. Well, it didn’t take long for United to put the final nail in the coffin. Denilson lost the ball, Clichy inexplicably failed to close down park which allowed him all the time in the world to slot home. Comical defending once again.

Wenger decided that at 3-0, it was time to ring in the changes. He brought Bendtner and Walcott on and although they weren’t amazing, we did create a few opportunities because our attack had a few additional options. Theo’s pace however unharnessed always causes problems and Nik Bendtners height gave us the long ball option. Vermaelen managed to knock in a consolation goal late on, but sadly, it wasn’t enough. Our season was looking like it had hit the skids once again and the team went off to jeers and whistles.

Your modern day football club can’t be built on nearly players. You need experience, you need quality and you need fighters. Arsenal seem to lacking those vital ingredients in certain areas of the team and until they are addressed, you fear we’ll never move up to the next level.

So far this season, we’ve failed to win our important games. We’ve been hammered by Manchester City, Chelsea and United twice. Your record against the big clubs isn’t all important, but it goes a long way to telling you the type of quality you have and it gives a good indicator of where you’ll be at the end of the season. Chelsea and Man U have stuttered this year, but I have my doubts as to whether we can recover from today and mount a serious challenge for the rest of the year. We might beat Chelsea, but do we have a solid enough base to win ten games on the trot? Not for me.

Arsene Wenger said the other day that you need a strong Man United and that as a club, our aim shouldn’t be to triumph due to mediocrity of competition. Well, from where I’m standing, that’s exactly what we’ve tried to do this season. We’ve watched the Mancs sell two of their prized assets, we’ve watched Chelsea grow another season older and instead of capitalising on their problems, we’ve stood still in the hope that would be enough to see us through. Well, surprise, surprise, it hasn’t worked again. The quality of players like Denilson is still lost on the fans and the Premiership. Our depth of under prepared kids still lacks enough experience to pull us through an injury crisis and our first team doesn’t cut it because bar Van Persie, we were at full strength and still a long way off a Man United team you could hardly call the best.

Some serious question now have to be asked at board level. Players only have short careers and past the money, the only thing they have to show for their 15 years at the top is medals. We’re not giving our great players a platform to win trophies. Cesc, Arshavin and Robin have all at some point said we need players, it would be foolish to think they don’t know our limitations. Wenger hasn’t delivered them once again, and we now head into our 6th year without a Premiership and our 5th without a trophy.

Players stop remembering the good old days and the club loses a bit of it’s glamour. Why didn’t Chris Smalling sign for us? Is it because he knows United will always compete? I don’t know… I do know that Wenger’s stubborn policy is damaging the club. New fans are picking up shirts that aren’t the red and white of Arsenal, seats are going empty, players are snubbing us and the vultures are circling our best assets.

I trusted Wenger to know more than the pundits, journalists and ex-players. It seems that trust was misguided..

Something at the club has got to give because Wenger is not bigger than Arsenal and he seems to be treating the club that way.

The window has closed, our frailties are out in the open.

Same old, same old…

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  1. SUGA3

    A,

    ‘team talks are overrated’

    tell that to those who went to Anfield :lol:

    this lot needs a serious toe up their arses – the carrot didn’t work, did it?

    time to grab the stick and whack the shit out of donkeys like Denilson…

  2. leon

    sorry suge what isaw pitterful no tracking back nasri risicky disintersted no fab tried delinson well to slow to weak manu awanted more than them thats why they won the defended as a team they attacked as a team we did not

  3. Mr B

    What A you think his team talks are any different.

    Like he tell Denilson to try harder and Almunia that he’s a total fuck up.

    The one time he did, we found out about it. A are u a Girl??? your very gulible arent you!

  4. David

    The loss to chelsea was the same way…

    I understand its a young team but i really felt we played like champions when we played everton bar a couple of obvious fuck ups in the team (Denilson and CocO)

    That has to be taught..yelled…screamed…shown…suggested…actuallywe missed Diaby in midfield…honestly…hed have given a bit composure to the midfield…

    But it goes without saying when our CB have to fill the void of CF things become beyond a joke.

    My gf supports Utd and after the 3rd she said she found herself praying they dont score another.

  5. SUGA3

    leon,

    it’s hard to get motivated, when essentially you know you are going to win fuck all…

    fighting for top four is no fun when you’re younger, it’s a pensioner’s job…

  6. raynor73

    Mike – I agree with what you have said. Individually our defenders are ALL good players but they just cannot defend as a unit. Adams or Keown or both would sort that out.

    Then all wqe need is somebody to replace Denilson as he is utter rubbish and a striker to replace RVP when he gets injured again.

    Apart from that, we’d have a team able to compete.

    I see no problem with the rest of our team (oops, apart from Fawlty Manuel).

    Yesterday they had far too much respect for UTD and they just didn’t close them down, the way they did with us.

    Cesc is as good or better than anyone they have, same with RVP. If we had a better defence, then we would have much more confdience as a team. When you are confident, you plays better. Simples.

  7. maurya

    Why don’t board sack the mummy Pat Rice and put a defensive coach as a second coach. That will put Wenger in his position.

  8. GoonerT1m

    great work in the window arsene, one or two players thats all we ask for,,,give these pussies something to think about and some competition for places, are you really that much of an arrogant man, unreal.You need a long holiday away from football, bunker mentality or what, mentalist.

  9. petrovic

    make no mistake the fans are being taken for mugs by this club and some of us can see this but amazingly there are still fans who can`t see past the clubs blatant lies and bullshit and for me those fans are giving encouragement to the club to carry on taking the piss.i just don`t think they understand football,those fans should follow cricket or rugby!

  10. gambon

    maurya

    Exactly, i cant actually believe ive been saying this for 3 years now, but until our defence improves vastly we will win nothing.

    At the start of the season we were conceeding silly goals, and i kept on saying it would cost us, and various people were saying it doesnt matter as most of them were conceeded when we were cruising.

    Well now its come back to haunt us.

    I cant honestly fathom if Wenger genuinely thinks a team that conceed as easily as we do can win anything, but i can only assume he does, as he isnt doing anything to rectify it.

  11. leon

    sorry suga i dont agree with that before this game they were 1-2 points behind manu and i thought they real chance win this game and i know they did for sure if they had lost say against sunderald and it was in middle feb but this was huge manu game the timing of the loss could not have come at worst time i know manu and chelsea will drop a few points but not two many.do i think they have abaility chelsea without question. i think they can any worse than sunsday so lets hope they snap out of it well off to work

  12. stonroy

    This is spot on:
    Former Arsenal favourite Perry Groves believes yesterday’s 3-1 home defeat against Manchester United proves the Gunners are no closer to winning the title than they were 12 months ago.

    Arsene Wenger’s men are now five points behind leaders Chelsea and four points behind second-placed United but defeat at Chelsea next weekend could all but end their challenge for the Premier League crown for another season.

    Groves said: “They (Arsenal) are as far away from Chelsea and Manchester United as they were this time last year.

    “The thing that disappointed me was that Manchester United out-desired Arsenal – the desire to stop the opposition from playing and impose yourself on the players you are playing against.

    “The biggest damning stat that I saw after the game showed that United made 36 tackles and Arsenal made 18.”

    And Groves believes United won the game by virtue of the visitors coming out on top in the midfield battle. He added: “If you look at Arsenal’s midfield – Fabregas, Denilson, Rosicky, Song and Nasri compared to United’s of Fletcher, Carrick, Scholes, Park and Nani.

    “The Arsenal players all similar – good technically, a similar size and comfortable on the ball, but who is going to stop the opposition from playing? I thought Carrick and Scholes were outstanding.

    “Arsenal fans can say there was no Diaby and Van Persie but United were without probably three of their first-choice back four – Ferdinand, Vidic and O’Shea – and they also sold the best player in the world in the summer.

    “If you look at it, we were as far away yesterday as we were in the 3-1 defeat against United in the Champions League last season.

    “And if you look at the last four results at home against United and Chelsea they have been 3-1, 3-1, 3-0 and 4-1 (all defeats). Those are the matches against your two biggest rivals.

    “I think Arsene needs to recognise that he needs a different sort of character in the team – someone who will force himself on the opposition.

    “There are now three mini-leagues within the top seven clubs in the Premier League at the moment. First there is Chelsea and Manchester United, then there is Arsenal, and next you have Liverpool, Aston Villa, Manchester City and Spurs.”

  13. SUGA3

    leon,

    we should have gone for experience and power, simple as…

    why persist with the 4-3-3 when you clearly don’t have the personnel available to play it?

    why play 5 similar players in the front 6?

  14. stonroy

    It’s so true, it’s not Arsenals technical quality, it’s their hunger and passion to win. I don’t believe Arsene can compete with Fergie in that department, his passion lies in the visual presentation not in the desire to win. Big bloody difference.

  15. 78692

    Sigurðsson Rejects Man United For Arsenal Trial

    Arsenal have beaten Manchester United to Icelandic midfielder Ingólfur Sigurðsson. The left-footed central midfielder has rejected the advances of the Premier League Champions to link up with the Gunners for a trial next month.

    Sigurðsson has been subject of intense interest from club’s all over Europe after breaking through and turning in a handful of eye-catching performances in the Úrvalsdeild League. Officials from Everton and Arsenal were present at the weekend as the exciting 16-year-old scored a fantastic brace for Knattspyrnufélag Reykjavíkur’s senior team.

    Ingólfur joined KR – Iceland’s oldest and most prestigious club – after a season In Holland with Heerenveen. Last term he played three times in the first-team and showed enough promise to be named in the squad for the current campaign. Manchester United were previously in contact and they have since asked him to trial on the 15th of February, which clashes with the date that Arsenal have suggested. He has since turned down Sir Alex Ferguson and will be in London later this month.

    Outfits from Denmark, Norway, Sweden and Germany have also made enquiries but the Iceland Under 17 international is keen on a move to England. Sigurðsson can play in any attacking position, but he is most at home as a left-sided central midfielder or on the wing.

    He will stay for five days before returning to KR, although it is widely regarded he will not remain in the Úrvalsdeild for much longer. You can view a video of Ingólfur scoring for Iceland’s Under 16’s below

  16. maurya

    Why the heck we are in for one more 16 years old as if we don’t have enough of them. Why are we wasting our time and resources by identifying these 16 years old.

  17. Stevie

    Take away, Cesc (and I am sure a Spanish team will do that for us in the summer) how many of Wengers litle boys have made it?

  18. Maciek

    Isn’t it great we have signed Villa, Dzeko, Sissoko, Cahill and Adler?
    Isn’t it great we have sold Denilson, Almunia,Bendtner, Silvestre, Djourou?
    Isn’t it a great feeling?

    OH WAIT………..

  19. kevin

    I have tried to stay away from hear in knowledge that genrally when we lose our adrelin is pumping and we often say things that although true, in an unrational manner.

    Yesterday I never wathced the match, luckily for me. However from what i can gather denilson was terrible. And to be honest I think he needs to be dropped. He is not a defensive midfielder in any way shape or for. Arsene bought him as an attacking midifielder, but noticed that in reality denilson is average and decided to play him defensively.

    ON almunia, whats the point, he aint getting dropped. Clichy, well i don’t really no what to say, i’ll give him a chance v chelsea. Lastly on the striker front i will also wait until the chelsea game to decide, as bendtner will be ready by then.

  20. choy

    Signing all these kids is really getting annoying.

    If we had one lesser kid, we could’ve probably been able to afford flamini.

    Another kid and ashley cole would still be our left back.

  21. Maciek

    Once more Sir Wenger has f**d it up. We will lose against chelsea and probably against Liverpool and Porto and come 1st of March we will be fighting for nothing ONCE AGAIN.

    Come World Cup he will say he is going to buy a super, super class players and he will bring one crap player.
    Of course Fab and Arsh will go, but hey we will earn about 60 mil.

    ARsene knows.

  22. Ray in SF

    Well Baxter Wall you were publicly very glad that I’m not the Arsenal manger.

    I didn’t put myself forward in that role, what I did was suggest that Kevin Davies would add the missing ingredient to Arsenal’s arsenal.

    In the light of yesterday’s SHORT-comings, perhaps you can find the time to tell me again why it was such a poor suggestion.

    Thanks.

  23. dennisdamenace

    Pedders you old scrote! Myself and Franchise are thinking of drowning our sorrows sometime this week, interested?

  24. Ray in SF

    If you enjoyed “SpinalTap” or “Still Crazy” you may enjoy “Hard Core Logo” a very edgy, punk variation on the band reunion theme.

  25. Pedro

    DDM, sounds like a good idea.

    Lets go to a bar and pretend to everyone that Franchise is Johann Djourrou. Maybe we’ll get free beer?

  26. Pedro

    It’s funny this whole Wenger debacle… If you took a different manager and gave him the current squad, it probably wouldn’t be very hard to get them working properly.

    Wenger has laid the foundations… but lost his way in making it work.

    The concept is a good one… it’s just not being executed properly. Only the great kids should make it… where there’s not a great kid, you buy someone. When that kid becomes good enough, you sell the older player, or spice up competition.

  27. Simon McMahon

    still fucking hurting !season gone on the last day of january .
    yesterday it was deja vu all over again from the cl semi final, like before that game i actually thought we would win.what a prat i was ,
    in life most of us learn from our mistakes, our fucking illustrious leadershows he cannot .
    he must go at the end of the season.

  28. Ray in SF

    Simon, you weren’t being a prat, with some (maybe undeserved) luck and AA23 sharing we could’ve been 2-up early…

    with the Mancs chasing the game, it could’ve been us running up a cricket score on the counter

  29. NW5 Gooner

    just spent a few mins reading through posts at ACLF. A curious mixture of rage, anger, arrogance and total self delusion. Freud would have a field day.

  30. kirby

    what is important now is-

    we don’t build up to much hope against the chavs because it hurts even more when you get let down.

  31. Stu

    Strange how quickly things have changed. In November we were 11 points behind, middle of January we were top of the league (briefly) and in a weeks time we could be 11 points behind again.

    No chance of us catching them if we go 11 points behind again.

    Wenger got us to the top of the league for a few days, and its his work (or lack thereof) that has put us back into almost nothingness. We wont win the CL because we have no big game players, the league could be out of reach pretty soon and the 2 cups were never even taken seriously…..

    Can’t believe that only a week or so ago i said to a friend “it feels great being in a title race after so long without”. Easy come easy go i guess…

  32. Stu

    We have no chance of beating the chavs, especially at the Bridge with Drogshit fit. Apparently we have never beaten chelsea when Drogba has played. How about that for a depressing stat huh!

  33. A

    No team ever has no chance, especially in a game between two big teams, but I’m certainly not optimistic about the game. Let’s hope Drogba is knackered after the African Nations and gets injured tomorrow at Hull!

  34. A

    Or Steven Hunt, pissed off at his move to Wolves falling through tries to kick Cech in the head again, and half the Chelsea team gets sent off in the following melee

  35. ethangunner

    NW5 Gooner Says:
    February 1, 2010 at 22:22

    just spent a few mins reading through posts at ACLF. A curious mixture of rage, anger, arrogance and total self delusion.
    ——————————————–
    and they are the good posters :)

    you should see some of the cranks who are from there , who come here to verbally wrestle with the DOOM SQUAD of Le grove ..

    The real problem is the author ! he posts such flattering propaganda to his disciples they actually believe him ..

    like a mini wenger :)

    every year around this time it all comes crashing down at arsenal then the ACLF boys(gays) come over here to vent because for the 1st half of the season they are blinkered
    by the authors vision and over all VIBE of his postings ..

    then when we are proven correct by wengers ANNUAL failings we get waves of the ALCF zombies come over to CONVERT / DISRUPT
    Le Grove .

    Arsenal of the dead .

  36. gambon

    I can see us winning at the bridge, as A said, anyone can win.

    We cant win the league though, no chance, but in a one off game we have a fair chance to beat chelsea.

  37. gambon

    Because we arent good enough A.

    Any team can beat any team in one game. But over the next 14 games we will pick up less points that at least one, if not both teams above us.

  38. ethangunner

    This club will not change any time soon .
    management would have to slide over in order to get this club motivated to win accolades .

    its more interested in self preservation and doing shit on the cheap !

    you cant win wimbledon with a plastic toy racket from tesco !

    you need the right TOP QUALITY GEAR ..
    or players in our case …

    ALMUNIA’S a joke , wenger had a month to replace him ! its unexcusable !

    we dont even have an acceptable backup keeper !
    fucking useless attitude for those trying a
    winning push !

    i can see the clubs willingness to win !
    i saw it for 31 days !

  39. A

    I don’t think we’ll win the league, because I don’t think we’ll beat Chelsea, but IF we beat Chelsea and Liverpool, we’ll still be in a very good position

  40. Stu

    We can win the league if chelsea dont beat Hull, lose to us and we win the rest of our games….with united and chelsea both losing a few matches of course.

  41. ethangunner

    A Says:
    February 1, 2010 at 23:10

    If we win at the bridge why couldn’t we win the league
    ——————————
    we wont do either

    your still in dream land ..

    unbelievable………

    (why ?? :- because at this time of the year man U and the Chev’s usually step up the campaign a notch whilst we always go the other way )

    we are not mentally strong enough , we lack the quality experience of players like anelka or drogpoo , there defense is the best in the league ..

    sure anything is possible but history has the proof …

    expect to go down like cheap whores in a brothel at Stamford bridge .

  42. gambon

    A

    Well i base it on the fact that Chelsea have 5 points more than us (plus GIH) and UTD have 4 more points than us.

    Also they have much better defences than us, and historically cope much better at the business end of the season.

    Infact pretty much everything points to both teams finishing above us.

  43. A

    Well if we beat Chelsea we’re 5 behind them, 4 behind Utd. Up to this point this season we’ve beaten the smaller teams very consistently, and after Liverpool almost all of our games are against smaller teams….

    Chelsea and Utd have to play each other still, so if that’s a draw then it’s 3 behind Chelsea, 2 behind Utd, if either of them win then it’s 5 behind Chelsea and 1 behind Utd, or 2 behind Chelsea, 4 behind Utd.

    Chelsea have to go to Everton, Spuds, Utd, and Liverpool, and their away record this season is far from great. Villa and City at home too, neither of which are gimmes.

    Utd have to go to Villa, Everton, City, and Sunderland, play Liverpool, Spuds and Chelsea at home.

    There is potential for both Utd and Chelsea to drop a lot of points, and if we kept up our consistency against the smaller teams we would be right up there.

    However that’s all IF we beat Chelsea and Liverpool, and that’s a very very big if, which I think is unlikely to happen.

  44. Stu

    They have Hulk too who was a handful for chelsea. Farias and Falcao too. Its gonna be a hard match for sure…eapecially at their place..

  45. Stu

    IF we beat chelsea and liverpool we still have away matches against the Spuds and Stoke. We dont have many easy away games..

  46. A

    True Stu, though I really don’t think Stoke will be that difficult with our first team, but Spuds will certainly be tough, and City could be difficult too. No away games are easy, but we’ve certainly played most of the toughest ones already.

  47. B.B.K.

    Chelsea – Arsenal
    Arsenal – Liverpool
    Arsenal – sunderland
    Stoke City – Arsenal
    Arsenal – Burnley
    Hull City – Arsenal
    Arsenal – West Ham United
    Birmingham City – Arsenal
    Arsenal – Wolverhampton Wanderers
    Tottenham Hotspur – Arsenal
    Wigan Athletic – Arsenal
    Arsenal – Manchester City
    Blackburn Rovers – Arsenal
    Arsenal – Fulham

    right lets have a count up

  48. Paulinho

    The annoying this is as soon as we’re out of the title race – like 10 points behind – we’ll start winning games comfortably again and Wenger will start the spin routine. Just like last spring.

    If we’re still in the title race, then Stu is right, we’re still likely to mess up against the supposedly easier teams, especially considering how poor we were against Everton and Bolton away.

  49. A

    the next step is to keep going as we are reggie, and if we lose to Chelsea and end up battling for 3rd, then come the summer policies totally change.

  50. Stu

    We also have Brum away. That could be more points dropped especially given their form this season.

    To be anywhere near the top near the end of the season we need to win all our home matches 5 of our away matches..

    So theoretically we could lose to chelsea and Stoke, and still win the league. Haha imagine that!

    Or lose to chelsea and draw one or two. BUt that might be pushing it.

  51. B.B.K.

    unday, 7 February 2010
    Barclays Premier League
    Chelsea v Arsenal, 16:00
    Wednesday, 10 February 2010
    Barclays Premier League
    Arsenal v Liverpool, 19:45
    Wednesday, 17 February 2010
    Uefa Champions League
    FC Porto v Arsenal, R1, L1, 19:45
    Saturday, 20 February 2010
    Barclays Premier League
    Arsenal v Sunderland, 15:00
    Saturday, 27 February 2010
    Barclays Premier League
    Stoke v Arsenal, 17:30
    Saturday, 6 March 2010
    Barclays Premier League
    Arsenal v Burnley, 15:00
    Tuesday, 9 March 2010
    Uefa Champions League
    Arsenal v FC Porto, R1, L2, 19:45
    Saturday, 13 March 2010
    Barclays Premier League
    Hull v Arsenal, 15:00
    Saturday, 20 March 2010
    Barclays Premier League
    Arsenal v West Ham, 17:30
    Saturday, 27 March 2010
    Barclays Premier League
    Birmingham v Arsenal, 15:00
    Saturday, 3 April 2010
    Barclays Premier League
    Arsenal v Wolverhampton, 15:00
    Saturday, 10 April 2010
    Barclays Premier League
    Tottenham v Arsenal, 15:00
    Saturday, 17 April 2010
    Barclays Premier League
    Wigan v Arsenal, 15:00
    Saturday, 24 April 2010
    Barclays Premier League
    Arsenal v Man City, 15:00
    Saturday, 1 May 2010
    Barclays Premier League
    Blackburn v Arsenal, 15:00
    Sunday, 9 May 2010
    Barclays Premier League
    Arsenal v Fulham, 15:00

  52. A

    Stu imo if we lose to Chelsea there’s absolutely no chance, 11 points at this stage is just too much. a draw and 8 points is pushing it, we’d need alot of luck, a win and 5 points and we’ve got a decent chance, as long as we follow it up by turning over Liverpool at the Emirates.

    If the Mail article at the weekend is right, and VP is gonna return mid march it would be absolutely amazing, could just provide that boost that keeps the momentum and helps us spank spuds at their place, Brum away, and City at home, which are all potential point droppers

  53. reggie 57

    Cant see much happening there A plenty of fans are pissed with wenger(including me)support will start to dwindle if only he would have listened to what every fan/pundit was telling him all this could have been avoided,cant see no way out but wengers resignation at the end of the season!!

  54. Paulinho

    A, I can’t see Wenger changing his policies. If he can’t win with the likes of Denilson then he will leave as he will end up just doing what the media have told him to do for the last four years. That will kill him.

  55. A

    I’d hope Wenger wouldn’t resign reggie. If it does happen, which means the club would be in a bit of a mess, then I would expect Wenger to take it upon himself to fix it. If he doesn’t feel that he’s the one to sort it out though then I’m sure he’d walk.

  56. B.B.K.

    there’s no point bringing v.p back this season let him recover properly,the league is done and we definitely won’t win the c.league.

  57. Stu

    Just looking at the league table and its really sinking in how overhyped we were with the goals scored.

    We have 60 goals and conceded 28 and we are supposedly the best attacking side in the premiership. BUt Chelsea, played 1 match less, scored 57 conceded 19 and 5points clear.

    Not a massive difference but after they beat Hul convincingly us being the best scorers will have been just pissed all over.

    WHat a difference a defence makes…regardless of most of those goals conceded being irrelevant.

  58. A

    Not an optimist at all confident, I’m just being objective rather than letting the negative feeling from the humiliation against Utd consume me! I don’t think we WILL win the league, but if we beat Chelsea and Liverpool then we’re max 5 behind Chelsea and 4 behind Utd, with the much easier run in, and better record up to this point when it comes to beating the smaller teams.

    However I don’t think it’s that likely we will be just 5 points behind Chelsea after Liverpool.

  59. B.B.K.

    It’s funny how it has worked out tho,we clawed 11 points back off cuntski and next sunday it will be 11 again,strange league this year..

  60. Stu

    Wenger did say last summer that is (should have been when) we fail to win something this season then there would be a total change in policy and new players coming in and current going out.

    I know his word cant be trusted but at last its something to look forward to.

  61. Paulinho

    Stu, we haven’t scored more than one goal at Old Trafford in Wenger’s entire reign in the league. Shows you our mentality in the big games.

    We’re supposed free scorers but rarely show it in the decisive games when it matters. Haven’t scored more than one goal at the Emirates in the last four games involving United and Chelsea.

  62. A

    I don’t believe that though Confident. The ego/pride thing is something that is just made up by pissed off people in my eyes. He doesn’t give a shit what the fans or media think one way or the other, and would make decisions based on what he thought was best, not what he thought people would think of his decisions. The same as any top football manager.

  63. Confidentgoner

    I think AW is really a mediocre coach. Ok, not mediocre, but not a top manager. Not in the league of Fergie, Morinho, etc. We have seen these losses time and time again. what has he done to address them – Nothing.

    Have a nice blogging guys, goodnite!

  64. Stu

    Yeah Paulinho. Also when was the last time we thrashed any of our rivals? We always seem to get a pasting. Chelsea 4-1 and 3-0, united 3-0 and 3-1. Liverpool 4-1 a few seasons ago.

    We always get thrashings but rarely, if ever, beat them by a convincing scoreline. Always by the odd goal.

    Thats why when our attack isnt good enough to break down a top defence we usually lose because our defence is shite.

  65. Bernard Baines

    I had a feeling after west ham brought in 3 new strikers today that Wenger would jump in and steel a jaded Carlton Cole. . .

    I’m relaxed now.. . everyone’s expecting us to lose against chelsea, so players might be more relaxed. . .on our day we can beat anyone, we know that. If we get a result this wknd the papers will change their tune again and say what a funny league this is and Arsenal are still in it blah, blah, blah. . .

    who knows. . .

  66. A

    There’s a contradiction there Stu.

    His job is to win things, by winning things he’d keep us happy.

    imo NO top coach would or should EVER make any decision about the footballing side because he cares what fans think. His job is to do everything to be the best of his ability to win things to make fans happy, as soon as he makes a decision to make fans happy, that goes against what he feels is best, then he isn’t fit to manage anymore.

  67. Paulinho

    Wenger doesn’t care what the fans think, but he does care what the media and footballing world do. Any suggestion that he doesn’t is ludicrous.

    He literally never shuts up about his idealogies and wanting to win with players who he has brought in “to love the club” from an early age.

  68. reggie 57

    His job is to do everything to be the best of his ability to win things to make fans happy, as soon as he makes a decision to make fans happy, that goes against what he feels is best, then he isn’t fit to manage anymore.

    your words A not mine!!

  69. A

    What do you mean “never shuts up” Paulinho? You do realise that everything he says is because he’s asked about things in press conferences….

    He doesn’t phone up the Mirror and say “Hi there, I’d like to talk to you about my ideologies”.

    If he made any decisions because he cared what anyone else thought, then imo he should go. I don’t give two hoots what he says in press conferences and interviews though!

  70. A

    Yeah reggie, my words indeed.

    So in your opinion he’s made decisions which he thinks are the wrong decisions, because he thinks that would make the fans happy?

  71. Stu

    Well if he doesnt make decisions to appease people then it means he has noone to answer to. Nothing suprising because trophies dont seem to be the boards (his bosses) priorities.

    They cant force him to spend as you say A. But they can tell him he has 30m to spend in a transfer window and suggest he do it.

  72. reggie 57

    His job is to do everything to be the best of his ability to win things to make fans happy,

    As i said earlier A your words not mine!!

  73. gambon

    I think he’s actually making decisions just to be stubborn now.

    Pundits, ex players, most fans & blogs are all saying we need players, therefore he will do the exact opposite cos he doesnt want people thinking he reacted to others opinions.

    Its ridiculously childish, but i honestly think thats what hes doing.

  74. SUGA3

    well, in my calculation, the Chav game was the toughest, but so far I got both results wrong (expected more in both games) – now I am not expecting shit, so it would be typical for them to go there and win it…

    fucking hell, who am I kidding?

  75. Paulinho

    In interviews A, when asked about why Arsenal haven’t won anything or why he won’t buy. Usually between the months May and August, when he tells everyone that the “solution is not always to buy” and he starts bigging up his youngsters with the exact same reasoning he bigged them up the season before, and before that.

    If you can’t see that he cares massively how he wins then you haven’t been listening to him.

    As he said himself, he dropped Arshavin the Semi final of the F.A Cup because he wanted the same midfield that played against Chelsea in the Carling Cup to prove they could win big games.

    It’s all about proving a point with Arsene, winning with the youngest team ever and without spending much.

  76. Stu

    That wasnt it Paulinho. He dropped Arshavin because we had a CL semi coming up (that Arsh wasnt eligable for anyway) because he wanted t show the players that they could beat chelsea and united without our best player.

    As it happens we won neither and gave up both matches without much of a fight.

  77. David

    Its too many young players all at once no mixing things up.

    Utd essentially waited for us to fuck up and Denilson obliged. Twice.

  78. reggie 57

    So we are gonna carry on till the end of the season with a half fit striker with no back up for him ,great planing by the all powerful one…

  79. David

    I stand corrected 3 times.

    Also love that pass Almunia gave to Nani right on the edge of the box…

    Well im off to lay down abit….30 hrs later..and it still hurts.

  80. SUGA3

    David,

    Denilson got skinned with Clichy by Nani for the first goal, overtaken by Shrek for the second and actually lost the ball for the third!

  81. Stu

    I dont know why we didnt get anyone on loan either ffs.

    Celtic, pathetic little celtic got Braafield and Keane on loan. They may not be top class players but for Celtic they are huge.

    We could have gotten some experience in, or some reliability to keep up solid for the rest of the season.

  82. gambon

    In the last 6 transfer windows, our business has been shocking;

    Jan 2010; £0
    Summer 2009; +£30m
    Jan 2009; -£17m
    Summer 2008; £0
    Jan 2008; +£5m
    Summer 2007; +£6m

    This doesnt include all the loan fees weve made.

    So where the fuck is the money going, and why is Wenger so scared to spend it?

  83. gambon

    Stu

    Do you mean the emirates or highbury flat debt?

    Emirates is long term, over another 21 years or so, but its not an issue as the repayments are well within our means.

    The property loan will be paid off by now more than likely, certainly by the end of the season.

  84. Stu

    I dont know really Gambon. I was thinking the money we make from players might be going towards the stadium. Not all obviously but most of it.

    Anyway….

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