Interesting day today, the boss says he may buy, Arsene, replace ‘may’ with ‘will’ we are on their shoulders but we could easily slip back to 8th, by your own admission.
Yes the bollocking turned it around, but it was far from convincing, Liverpool were more shit than we were good, we got away with it and the one player that dug us out of the do-do was the one player you paid a lot of money for. So that really illustrates what buying class players achieves. We need players, we lost Robin, Ade and Bendtner, Theo, Eduardo and Rosicky look fragile, as do all our left backs, and we never replaced Djourou, so in theory that is four or five players short of last season. We are skating on thin ice, so I say get rid of the fringe players like Senderos, Randall and Simpson and buy some class.
That’s no reflection on those players, I like them, but it’s clear they have no future with us, and I think it would be fairer to let them go.
I read that we were in for Van der Vaart and Steven Defour, good call, midfield covered, all we now need is a striker a centre back and a keeper, get the right players in and we can take the league.
If you believe the current crop is good enough then it doesn’t matter about players being cup tied. Does it! That way we’ll have enough cover for all eventualities.
Cesc has told Marca he intends playing for Catalunia, if that’s true then I believe he will go, Ramsey is good cover should something happen, and I wouldn’t want to have an unhappy Cesc, he is very average when he’s unhappy.
Tonight I expect a full squad with maybe Eboue in for Sagna, I think Diaby will get the nod over Denilson and frankly after Sunday, I would give Eboue the nod over Denilson, but don’t hold your breath.
We really need to win tonight as Villa are proving to be the bit you can’t shake off your shoe, if Burnley come out to play, we should easily beat them, they keep talking about how they beat us last time at their gaff, but they forget, that was our youth team, start out like we mean it, shut them down, everytime a team shuts us down, they stop us playing, Coyle will know that and they’ll be up for it, time to show our credentials, beat them, we have Hull, beat them it’s Villa and then Pompey away, by the start of January we could be top, or we could be 8th, it’s your call Arsenal, how much do you want it?
One thing is for sure, we won’t do it with the keeper we have, once again he was at fault, you can see how the defence are nervous everytime the other team gets near our area, we can all see it boss, why on earth can’t you? Let Fabianski loose, at least he commands his area, he is a great shot stopper, and he makes himself big like Given. …Given, £8million, if only…
I think we’ll beat them and I think we’ll go through the year winning. First stop Burnley, come on Arsenal and come on Arsene, time to get the cheque book out.
I hear from many of you that another blog chose to write a post about us again, guys thanks, but you are supposed to be writing about Arsenal not us, we appreciate the hero worship and we know you had a record 50 comments as a result, but the whole point of blogging about Arsenal is to talk about Arsenal. Thanks for the thoughts though. I didn’t read it by the way, so you’re wasting your time if you want me to name you, I won’t.
If anyone wants to put their tickets for Villa on Le Exchange, please do, we still have some Hull ones left.
Have a great day and a better night, destiny draws ever closer and at last we can go into the Christmas fixtures in contention, come on Arsenal!
Le Grove is now smart phone compatible!
Pedro
Geoff
Great post Geoff, I agree with all of that!
BbbooooooMmmm……. …… ….. …. … .. .
and continuously,My net connection “continues to suck”
you 2
my hat is off to you guys…..
I’d love to see Fabianksi get the nod tonight!! Almunia is just sending waves of nervousness through the side!!
I would love to see Fabianski too but as Arsene said previuosly Almunia is his 1st choice. period!
fyi the author of the post on the blog which shall not be named actually wrote a reply defending le groves right to say what they want
check it out for yourself
Taig Completley agree he keeps telling us he beleives FAbianski to be world class, Well heres a thought put him into the side and lets see what he can do, He sure as hell wont be any worse than Almunia at the mo whos head seems to be in the cluds at the mo,
Absolutely agree Geoff
Love to see Fabianski there,i mentioned last time,that hopefully almunia played his last game at anfield
and hopefully would be more happy to see walcott at Left ,and Nasri at right with Arshavin in middle
and Hoping Arshavin,walcott interchange as per the situation at CF position
morning all…top post Geoff next 3 games maximum 9pts, minimum 9pts
All keepers make mistakes, look at Green last night
Morning all! Let’s hope the team are as positive as my post!
Dave, Almunia does it in every game though.
Geoff,
Do u think the team will keep in mind the rant that wenger gave them at HT at anfield,and perform like that now onwards in most games..
perform like 2nd half in all games i mean
Sabel, one would hope so but they weren’t that great after the rant.
Big Dave – But Almunia makes more than most! You cannot be a premiership level GK if you are not confident enough to come through a crowd of people to claim a ball. We see him failing at that time and time again and it costs us on far too many occasions!! He is scared, I’m convinced. When there is no one around he come and claim it so its not his handling he is worried about. But put a few players in the mix and he shits himself and the result is either he sticks to his line allowing an oppo player to attack a free ball or he forces one of his own players into making a decision that shouldn’t have to a la Diaby v Man Utd.
who wrote the blog about u?
One thing seems for sure, that Wenger will continue to play Almunia. So i just hope he gets his confidence back soon, or he will cost us points.
Neil, I let you on, as I didn’t read it I can’t say, but please remember, we are all fans and we all have opinions, your Wenger is god comment sums it up.
I am an Arsenal fan first.
Stevie, the guy I let on here at 9.12
I think its a very big generalisation to say Almunia makes mistakes “every” game Geoff. He doesnt!!!!
Geoff,
would like to the reasons that give u the strength and optimism to write so many posts,that we would buy more than one player
would like to *know
give me a sandwich please
I don’t see that there’s any chance we will buy more than one player. And quite frankly even one would surprise me.
Alfie it would be if it’s true, unfortunately he does though, every game!
Sabeel, hope I think is why!
Bill that is my fear, then we’ll win fuck all and he’ll blame injuries.
We should had gone for Given when he was on the market for £8 mill.
Tonight will be very tough, but still excpect us to win (just) Putting dosh on theo to score.
try adthe.net to view match
Denilson is injured so wont be part of da team… wenger will stick wid almunia(unfortunately)
Morning all. Wenger on Cesc’s call up here.
http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/wenger-i-understand-cesc-s-catalonia-call?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+arsenal-news+%28News+Feed%29
I would like to see horse face come to us!
So Cesc baby ain’t going nowhere.
Dave my mate is Given’s mate and he said Given really wanted to come.
Oh god he’s gone and mucked it up again. Wenger’s got on the rose cloloured glasses again.
http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/wenger-i-have-full-confidence-in-almunia?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+arsenal-news+%28News+Feed%29
Geoff,
i hope it does happen,i really do…but it is a “hope against hope”
Geoff. well hopefully that isn’t the case. We could still win something regardless, but of course i advocate maximising our chances by spending on a bit of quality. It would surely be a false economy to penny pinch at this stage.
I respect that he doesn’t want to spend large amounts, but i feel we could get someone of quality for a reasonable price and wouldn’t have to break any transfer records. And i fully agree with you about their being cup-tied is irrelevant. In fact it just lowers the price, which as we all know is what Le boss is all about
Alfie. Burn your keyboard right now!
1) Giampaolo Pazzini 25, Sampdoria –Striker in great form currently and looking to solidify his call up to Italian National Team, going for 20-23M Pounds, I believe he is not cup tied and could play Champs League
http://betting.betfair.com/international-football/italian-football/gianpaolo-pazzini-did-you-see-that-ive-just-scored-010409.html
2) Gregory Van Der Wiel – 21, Ajax defense, just broken into the Dutch side recently. Going for 7-12M Pounds
3) Ibrahim Affelay 22, PSV and Dutch Midfield, going for 6-10M. Steven Defour too can do here
4) Robert Greene, Westham United Englishman, 29, lots of premier league experience with little in terms of mistakes.
These guys could help solidify our credentials as title contender in all the competition we are involved in and though they are not so cheap, they are also not so expensive and can help build for the future.
He’s having a laugh here. This must be Arsenal FC comedic website.
Arsène Wenger’s confidence in Manuel Almunia remains undimmed despite Arsenal’s No1 receiving criticism for his role in Liverpool’s goal on Sunday.
Dirk Kuyt scored the opening goal of the game at Anfield after the Spanish keeper failed to deal with Fabio Aurelio’s free kick.
However Wenger says that was not Almunia’s fault as the ball took an unexpected deflection as it was delivered into the penalty area.
“I have watched the game against Liverpool well,” said the manager.
“The ball was deflected by Lucas and I did not see that during that game.
“Almunia came and Lucas touched the ball with his head and deflected the bal
Looking forward to the Burnley game. Good, early morning, cool conditions on the comfy couch. Oh, & good post Geoff, I would say you were about spot on.
Interesting take on the fact that players needed a spray from Le Gaffer to get them out of 2nd gear. Isn’t it enough for them to go full throttle in the name of The Arsenal every game for 90 minutes plus. More rockets up’em please
Big Dave – Green making a cock up should never be a defence for Almunia !! Gotta say I never get the clamours for Green, I personally don’t rate him and he has too many high profile mistakes in him every season imo.
Given is a great keeper, but don’t get bent out of shape that we never bought him, as I know that he never wanted to move that far south for family reasons.
Bill the thing is if Wenger doesn’t buy, we know we’ll win nothing, then we have to wait 18 months to see if we can win again, it’s not like trying again next week is it.
18 months!!!
That is true. Lucas did touch the ball from his offside position. Given that they had a legit penalty appeal rejected, i think i’ll let that one slide
Geoff Says:
December 16, 2009 at 09:33
Dave my mate is Given’s mate and he said Given really wanted to come.
I wish I’d never read that!!
Ryan I heard the opposite, from his mate.
All very good but who you buy and why? We missed a trick with Given but there are no obvious class keepers that spring to mind.
If we sign a new left back what happens when Gibbs, Clichy & Traore are fit again?
Again who would you sign for all these positions?
Almunia is a donkey with HIV, it could be a beachball coming at him at 20 metres an hour and he’d still fluff it.
So why in Heaven’s name didn’t we buy him?
How much did he go to Citeh for?
This is depressing
Geoff. I take your point. I don’t know if i’d be so sure that we can’t win without bringing anyone new in, but i do concede that we’d need a lot to go our way with regards to players staying fit, and players ‘clicking’
I still think we’ve got a chance. But i hope Wenger sees that the money he could spend, even if it were only 10-15m would be worth so much more than that in terms of a league title challenge.
I have an interesting question for you though. Have you noticed any change in Wenger this season, and i don’t just mean the ‘hair-dryer incident)
But in general he seems to have been a little bit more vocal since the capitulation against Chelski. I think he is losing patience too. He may well buy in Jan considering RVP’s lay off.
As usual though, Wenger is tough to predict
Everyone, get over the Given thing! FFS, it didnt happen so move on. People criticise when Wenger talks about players that he almost signed ie. Ronaldo, Messi etc, yet those same people harp on about Given. Its getting annoying. Focus on the team we actually have.
Fatboy we don’t need a new left back, we have Silvestre and Cruise.
As for the other positions we always need players because we always have injuries, the only time we get near competition for places is pre season.
Sorry Geoff – mine came from the horses mouth on course at a golf day. It was admittedly a while back when he was still at Newcastle and I asked him about Arsenal, he did say he would love to play for a club like Arsenal and like the idea of playing under Wenger. However, he underpinned that with the fact that in an ideal world he wouldn’t want to uproot his family.
iceman – I thought it was nearer £6m than £8m but that would still be £6m more than Wenger would like to spend.
Bill the only difference I notice is there’s no difference.
He just remains stubborn to the detriment of the support. All his great teams involved spending money, all of them.
Fair enough Geoff. But i mean, in fairness. Let’s just say for arguments sake that there had been a change in his outlook. He couldn’t have bought anybody with the transfer window closed.
I’m referring more to his general demeanor and his attitude. As if the game at Chelski was the straw that broke the camel’s back. I could be wrong but i feel he has been a bit more open since then.
Why does wenger have to sort out silvestre contract, let him go ffs
Tony…
Guess that’s just his style…
He wanted Torres at 16…didn’t happen…would never buy him at 24.
Same with Cech…at 16…work permit issues…would never pay 6m that Ranieri did…
He needs to take a good look at himself…:(
Bill a bit I suppose, but after Chelsea he said we were good and Drogba wasn’t, after Liverpool he said Lucas deflected, not Almunia fucked up.
We were begging him to buy in the summer, all that we said would happen with injuries has happened.
Same last season and the season before.
Dave, agreed.
morning all, i wouldn’t believe much of whats written in that marca shite rag… anything to wind up the arsenal and i think cesc would respect wengers decision with the RVP situation!
2 signgings max in jan though and thats only if senderos goes and wenger goes mental and buys a CF…
i expect no one as bentnder will be back and he see’s theo as a striker and seems to love vela
iceman – its the same old story mate. He constantly feels that he is the one that has the players valuation right and its the other 4,5 or 6 managers that have got it wrong! The thing that grates me is that it is not Wenger’s money to be tight with. The board should say to Wenger “right here’s £30m, go and improve your squad as much as you can with that!” And right now all of that £30m would need to be used to get the players we need. He should always look to improve the squad and the best way to do that is to buy quality, not to increase the wages of under performing children!!
Good post mate ….the keeper has been our weakisl link for years…remember jose morineo laughing at him after a press conferince 4 years ago saying wot the fuck is aw doing. He cost us the champions league semi last year…..please just leave or die mate and stop draging our team down with your gayness
Stonroy you are demented.
http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/wenger-i-will-sort-out-silvestre-contract?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+arsenal-news+%28News+Feed%29
Please get rid of him!!
Ryan my mate had him in his Arsenal box last season.
Moulds why read the post then pencil dick?
Neville – I am no fan of Almunia’s and would love to see him replaced………..but seriously, he cost us the CL semi ??? Did you watch the first leg ? Or do you think it was his “gayness” that made Gibbs slip ?
Ohhh, you’re referring to the Winkers freekick ? Yeah thats what cost us the CL semi from a position of 2 nil down prior to it.
“but after Chelsea he said we were good and Drogba wasn’t”
This is what gets to me..People always taking stuff out of context to suit them.
Neville i seem to remember him(Almunia) keeping us in it at O.T. Not that I am defending him, coz i havent been impressed one bit by him this season. Come to think of it I tend to blame him for every goal he concedes than is warranted. I would be the happiest person if Wenger replaced him with Fabianski.
Morning all, good post Geoff.
Release the Fabianski on Burley I say. Hopefully with all this cold weather Almunias cchest infection returns… Not wishing ijury on any of orur players but chest infection in September!
I would like to see Diaby tonight and then start Ramsey against Hull.
On left back we have still plenty of options with Traore,Silvestre,Cruise,Evina,Sagna,Gallas enough cover to see us through January when Clichy sould have returned.
Traore is doing quiet well he is defensively weak like Clichy but is very determined and has bit of a presence about him. After Kuyt got past him the next time Traore put man and ball into touch.
Geoff – am not getting into a pissing competition lol.
Geoff, Scoreline prediction from ur side??
Ever since Seaman turned crap our goalkeeper has been amongs the worst in the league. Lehmann had the talent but I still think he cost us a lot of games. Almunia is nowhere near good enough. clearly wenger cant judge keepers. his record with them is worse than defenders.
his comment that a deflection gets almunia off the hook shows wenger up even more. he completely failed to see that almunia should never ever have been in that no mans land 2 yards behind Lucas.
a good keeper would have been in amongst it being the first player to get contact on the ball, not in two minds a few yards away.
Tony…
Hear you mate.
But thats AW for you.
Stubborn as hell.
Season afer season and he still doesn’t learn.
We’re so close from being a force.
iceman,
problem is wenger sees us very close to being force,hence he doesnt buy
Well said Ryan, LadyG and Mimi.
Stonroy and Neville….what are you guys on… HIV and death..?? Don’t get too carried away ‘eh.
He’s a poor keeper not a rapist !!
Morning All
Sabeel we need just little extra to be that force…
Had we got a DM and a CF in the summer we’d be laughing right now.
Spot on Gazzap. Mimi O may be demented but I am right.
I remeber once on a BBC show about young English emerging talent that Bob Wilson spoke highly of Stuart Taylor. I liked Taylor, he could command his area and was/is really talented. At the time Wilson said “he’s not of Seaman class but is not far behind Manninger” that in itself was some peak. Stuart then went to Villa in search of first team football but found his way blocked by Friedel( who never misses a game) and then onto City where Given is currently keeping him out.
See the impression a good keeper like Joe Hart is making at Birmingham for feck sake he has them up to 6th…
A rapist ???
Sharkey – I’m partial to a bit of doom and gloom when things are going wrong but I’d say those references are a little OTT!! Not to mention massively offensive to HIV sufferers who are all probably more capable between the sticks than Coco!!
Arsenal website cock up today
Choose our most exciting game of the decade
No game’s listed DOH !!
Bet people will blame Almunia for that
Stonroy…you KNOW that Almunia has HIV do you….
It was a silly comment ..just leave it there. Defending it now…does you no favours.
RockyPires – I had huge hopes for Taylor! I really thought he was going to be one of this country’s future stars. He’s just been a bit unfortunate with the calibre of keeper that has always been in front of him at every club.
I’m praying that Arsene’s comments ‘defending Almunia’ are just a pre-cursor to another ‘chest infection’, and that Fabianksi starts tonight.
It will be very disappointing to see Almunia retain his place.
I’m not defending it, and yes it was a bit ott but where does the rapist part come in.
iceman,
i know buddy,but wenger doesnt see that way,thats what i am diverting ur attention to
TAIG…you div !!! Fucking funny though….
Stonroy – you seem to be wishing a serious illness on Almunia as though he were some heinous or evil person ie a rapist.
Taylor last had a run of games for Villa at start of season before last and looked class, kept them in it aginst Liverpool at Anfield and then had bit of run in Uefa cup when Villa were already knocked out. With Aw and MArk Hughes being bestest buddies would there be a chance we could get Taylor/Hart off them
Almunia will still start in goal…
Eboue will start ahead of Sagna, Gallas and Vermaelen as the CBs and Silvestre as the LB.
Song and Ramsey together with Cesc as the Midfield trio (I do not want to put diaby because I think Ramsey has done enough to start this game)
Nasri, Eduaro and Arshavin (or walcott).
Morning LG
I dont think Almunia is as bad as you all think…..
He’s worse
RockyP – I like Hart but I know most on here don’t rate him too highly.
Fabianski should start either tonight or the weknd but I would prefer ASAP, Chesney Hawk is coming back to us in Jan with another loan move on the cards. This time to a higher division and Italy has also being mentioned. A mate of mine was saying Pompey have being looking to loan Mannone/Schzney
Mimi O may be demented but I am right. I think Sharkey answers for me.I have heard enough alcers today to indulge you anymore.
Arsenal to get Ajax CB – Any truth in this?
http://www.givemefootball.com/premier-league/arsenal-given-green-light-to-move-for-ajax-star?
Morning everybody. Where is Owen playing then?
had*
Damn Gallas, I’d rather Ramsey came off the bench. A midfield trio of Song, Cesc and Diaby will do just fine
slim… owen coyle… burnleys manager
fab should play tonight give him 2 ‘easier’ games to build him up for the villa game, if its anything last year its gonna be a horrible couple of hours!!
Afternoon all…
Also where the hell in Nacer Barazite, the man has just vanished like Cilit Bang and Nacer is gone.
In Jan if we were to sell Randall,Senderos,Simpson we should get few million in.
Now question of the day Yes/No for Sol in January???
Arsène Wenger’s confidence in Manuel Almunia remains undimmed despite Arsenal’s No1 receiving criticism for his role in Liverpool’s goal on Sunday.
Dirk Kuyt scored the opening goal of the game at Anfield after the Spanish keeper failed to deal with Fabio Aurelio’s free kick.
However Wenger says that was not Almunia’s fault as the ball took an unexpected deflection as it was delivered into the penalty area.
“I have watched the game against Liverpool well,” said the manager.
“The ball was deflected by Lucas and I did not see that during that game.
“Almunia came and Lucas touched the ball with his head and deflected the ball.
“I have full confidence in him and I will pick him tomorrow night.”
great news
KM – that Ajax CB, was an Ajax RB in the press the other day – which probably says it all !!
I am dreading what a freezing northern evening can do to our player injury wise…
*prays to football gods*
RP – Barazite picked up a long term injury at the start of the season. Can’t remember exactly what he did but do remember it mean’t him being out for months.
I’d have Sol!
imagine sol and silvestre as a CB pairing… would be the oldest the leagues ever seen surely?
id rather get a very good 22 yr old in and let him adapt in case willy does one in the summer
the im for 2day’s game should be to wrap up the game in the 1st half. get a 3-0 lead or so and then unleash the kids.
Barazite is out injured Rocky
Fifa has told Arsenal that there will be no compensation for the injury sustained by Robin van Persie while on international duty for the Netherlands that has so angered Arsène Wenger – and has reminded the club that they signed a contract promising not to sue national associations.
World football’s governing body has pointed out to Arsenal that under an agreement reached with Uefa and the clubs’ representatives the responsibility for insuring players rests with the clubs. In return Fifa has pledged £24m from the World Cup finals next summer, and £43m for the 2014 tournament, in payments to the clubs as a goodwill gesture.
“According to the regulations the release of players is mandatory and was accepted by everyone when the regulations were signed in 2001 and they are common practice in football,” a Fifa spokesman said. “In that agreement the clubs are responsible for insuring players in their contracts. They agreed not to take any action to the courts.”
Wenger said on Sunday that Arsenal’s lawyers were looking into suing the Dutch football association (KNVB) for compensation for the ankle ligament injury that Van Persie suffered in a friendly against Italy last month. “We are definitely going for it,” he said.
Fifa is at pains to point out that the payment to clubs whose players participate in the World Cup finals is not in return for them releasing players – they are obliged to do that under Fifa rules – but as a gesture, one that works out at £860 per day, per player.
The English Football Association takes out its own insurance that means that if an England player is injured their club can claim the value of his wages up to £50,000 a week for the first two weeks and £100,000 per week from then on, for up to two years.
A spokeswoman for the KNVB said yesterday that it makes a small contribution towards its national team’s players’ insurance premiums. However, it only makes those payments if the player in question plays for a Dutch Eredivisie team.
Wenger, whose team go to Burnley tonight, said that after beating Liverpool on Sunday his side had to prove that they could see off the smaller teams to stay in the title race. “If you want to win the league you need to win these games,” he said. “I’m confident the team needed a big win and the players are focused.
“You develop your strengths as well when you convince yourselves you have it sometimes. That’s why a big win helps you to think that you are strong, and if you lose it you think you are weak. We now know we can come from 1-0 and win against a Liverpool side that has real quality, although this season they have been unlucky.”
Sol as short term solution for Djorous injury, buy Diakites in summer but I do fear Gallas heading off in summer, be a nice little earner for him heading to Milan / France and then just raking in a high wage.
Sol will bring experience and a winning mentality. See Owens positives effects on Utd and what did he ever win with Pool???
Neville
Almunia is shit but he saved us from a raping in the 1st leg
Barazite did his shoulder and was ruled out for 3 months. he should be back in January.
Oh right Gazzap, will be intresting to see what Barazite can do. should get a run in Fa Cup squads
sol would be good to have around but not long term unless its as a coach, he’s a legend and would be brilliant with our kids although if i had a choice id rather have keown there
Well, until we get to buy the players we need, I won’t be overly optimistic about our side. So to think we’ll beat Villa…………..hmmmmm!!! They’ve beaten ManUtd, Chelsea and Liverpool – members of the so-called ‘Big Four’.
Why do I have the feeling that we won’t be seeing any new faces come January?
Wonder if Almunia would repay wengers faith in him…
sabeel… its about time he did!!
is our russian owl legend fit for tonight?
I’d be very tempted to rest Arshavin tonight. Don’t want to aggravate his foot
colonel,
well done for fighting our corner on THAT blog
tell you one thing, Wegner should tie Cesc up if he insists on going to that Catalonia love in thing especially against the Argies, he will come back with his shins in his kit bag. suck my kiss Cryuff. are the dutch trying to dismantle us!
Arsenal you dont expect wenger to tell the press he has lost his faith in his No. keeper now do you?
Morning all,
Be interesting to see what happens to Sol’s wage demands if prem clubs come a calling – I loved the guy, but he has always seemed very money orientated. He still thinks he can hack first team football – we would only offer him back up.
I am convinced we will sign Sakho, either in Jan or in the summer – I reckon Wenger ‘worked his magic’ during the Emirates Cup.
SUGA3 – ahh you spotted that! good man…
well that was interesting reading, apparently you must lick the balls of every decision Wenger & the board have ever made or you’re not a real fan.
Have I missed something then Colonel and Suga?
Who are you talking to Adam?
I think Adam must be referring to the unnamed blog
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Hello Grovers.
Arsène Wenger has confirmed that Armand Traore will be sidelined for at least two games.
The French full-back pulled up towards the end of Sunday’s win at Liverpool after straining his hamstring during a late surge down the left flank.
Traore was replaced by Mikael Silvestre at Anfield and the centre-back is now set to step in at left-back for the Premier League games against Burnley and Hull City.
“Traore is out,” said Wenger. “I am down to my fourth choice of left-back, it will be Silvestre [who plays at Burnley]. That’s not good news for Silvestre!
“Armand has a hamstring [injury], grade one, so it will be ten days. This week he is out, maybe he will make Aston Villa [on December 27].”
here you go, Geoffrey
http://blog.emiratesstadium.info/2009/12/how-to-be-an-arsenal-doom-and-gloomer-in-ten-easy-steps
‘enjoy’
Great Post Geoff,
Morning all
I totally agree, hopefully we beat burnley considering Owen Coyle says they will go toe to toe with us playing football. Somehow i doubt that, it would be suicidal on their part.
i’ve been sayin this time and again, Clown is not good enuf for a big club like Arsenal..no presence and not commanding his box..Fabianski ain’t bad but will he do well against the big teams or will he rash out of his box unnecessarily..
There’s only one Manuel that fits the bill, and it’s not Almunia…Ladies and gentlemen, i present to you Manuel NUEUR
DDM… you out there? did you hear anything from your contact?
not too much Geoff, those over at old boys blog were on a sanctimonious rant with blinkers on deluding themselves that there is’nt work to do with this team as we beat ‘Pool. threw in a few comments to ruffle the feathers.
Suga, I tried to read it but I couldn’t get past Lord Wenger…
I bet none of the wankers has ever actually bought a season ticket, imagine going through life being content with being a loser.
Me I’m a winner, and for some strange reason that’s what I want for the team I have loved and supported my whole life.
Not to mention the 30 odd season tickets I have bought. Still I’m not a real fan!
I don’t pay homage and kiss the arse of some one who just happens to be managing it for a bit though.
Hello Grovers,
Good post Geoff, the nervousness that Almunia brings to the defence is very obvious. It has been going on for quite a while. We concede quite a few goals from set pieces which involve high balls into the box. This area, especially when it comes to high balls in the air, is the responsibility of the GK. Almunia is only confortable on his line, and when he does come out its a 50-50 chance whether he makes good contact (no point wishing for him to catch it) or not.
I piss myself everytime a cross goes in to our box and I can only imagine what the defenders must be thinking. In addition, the guy just does not look the part anymore, he looked like a bum in the pool game.
If you guys remember last year before xmas, Song was utter shite and to me it looked like the players were avoiding passing to him, he has since improved and gets passes from everyone. Almunia in my eyes has gone down in the eyes of his team mates, and they no longer have faith in him. Whoever we put in goal will be better than Almunia, even Mannone for me did better than was expected of him, whereas Almunia just goes from bad to worse with every game.
Ha, ha Colonel, well said.
nice post Geoffrey.
gooner786 for a while you should ideally call yourself 78692 aka gooner786 as you have been a regular. if i had not come on today i would be wondering who the fuck you were tomorrow
i will admite he is a good shot stoper…but he cant control his area he gives no confidence to his deffence .
and as for his kicking and distibution . look at stanford bridge game last year. you win nothing with a week keeper.
after our loss in cl final to barcer i could see he is no big game player and nothing has changed my mind he could have stoped the second goal
(sorry for spelling im french)
atleast am glad le boss and i are on the same page. i also trust almunia (and mannone) more than any other keepers we have. wojcieh is miles better than fabianski. when those two (almunia or mannone) are btwn the sticks, i brim with confidence. when its fabianski, i cant wait for the game to end! i always pray 4 atleast a draw when fabianski is playing.
i know alot of gooners do not like almunia but he is the best we have. they should stop turning a blind eye to reality. selective amnesia doesnt help.
am not saying he is the best in the pl. we can do with another one (new of course) but until then he is the best we have.
This is not a bad one
I want what Brian is smoking.
Franchise, thank you for the advise.
the sun tomorrow is talking about dida from milan.
please god no . he is very poor
Priceless Gnarley, especially the Rafa and Eboue shots!
Back later.
gnarleygeorge9, that is brilliant.
that vid is well funney gnarley
With Traore out I don’t know why the pass master doesn’t start @ LB, or is he more suited to RB.
Gnarley – That’s class!! Eboue is the best by far!!
yes, the unnamed blog. Went looking for it.
i aint smoking nothing. just wearing different contact lenses from all u other guys and from the look of things le boss is too! i agree with ur post 99.9% except where it touches on almunia. he will prove u wrong tonight.
I borrowed it from Irish.
lol thats fucking hillarious. Eboues having a nice giggle to himself.
eboue in that video ha ha ha!
If you aren’t smoking anything Brian then you must have been dropped on your head. Almunia is an awful goalkeeper. In the warm up he was dropping shots straight at him… He is easily one of the worst keepers in the league.
Stu, he isn’t an awful keeper… he’s just very, very average.
Eboue isnt even suited to right back anymore.
Having played in midfield for 3 years he has forgotten how to play in defence. SO now he has no best position.
Off for a kip, then its a 6.45am start. here’s hoping for 3 points. Later dudes
He is awful when compared to what we need.
… and Brian, what Wenger says and what he thinks are two different things.
Look back to the archives and read what he used to say about Phil Senderos.
” I piss myself everytime a cross goes in to our box and I can only imagine what the defenders must be thinking.”
He has made me pick an old bad habit of biting my nails off any time we concede a set piece.
pedro.. what is the site’s email id?
I don’t get it am I missing something. The site didn’t mention le-grove did it?
great clip! he he he he he
http://www.skysports.com/video/inline/0,26691,16429_5769725,00.html
If you’ve got a spare 5 mins. If you haven’t then start from 5 minutes. I think thats how we all felt!!!
amazing clip gg9… heheh
Gnarley priceless!My ribs are aching.
What site are ye on about Rob???
sorry, start from 4 mins
Guys, it has been implied by plenty of people through e-mails that the article was aimed at us.
Not to mention that a bulk of the comments on the site are talking about us and the Grovers.
It doesn’t matter, it takes alsorts to make the blog world go round and everyone is entitled to say what they like.
Pedro, i have to say that is true . am not defending the indefensible. i have my doubts too about him but fabianski is not the soulution. he scares the crap outta me. but i would love him (fabianski) to prove me wrong.
the guy who wrote the article put this today!!
Tony Attwood
December 16th, 2009 at 11:58 am
One point as this debate comes to an end, I thought the comment by Le Grove was most interesting.
My piece didn’t mention them at all, and in fact in writing it I was not thinking of them in any way. Irrespective of their attitude, whenever I read their site it is well written, and certainly doesn’t fall into all the points I was making in the article.
But their view that the piece was written in order to get them to mention the site that posted the original is a little more inward-looking and self-referential than I would have expected.
The article has been reprinted (mostly with acknowledgement) by a lot of other sites, so it obviously gave quite a few people a laugh – which was really my central intention.
Another group hug is in order I think.
I AM – The best quote from that Fan Zone was by the Gooner when we equalized and he was going mental:
“I’m gonna burst my head!”
Brilliant…….
At the beginning of the season it was Man Utd, Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal as the big four. Does anyone think it is slightly unfair that during a busy week of football in December we have two away games and the other three have two home games? Also after the international break we were away at Sunderland while Man Utd and Chelsea were at home.
I am great fan of le-grove and I usually agree with everything Geoff says but I thought it was unnecessary to talk about the site and to call the bloke an old c*nt etc. The site didn’t mention le grove
I Agree With Everything ….Come on Goonerz!!!!!!!!!!!!
Rob, he didn’t need to mention it by name. I’ve had about 10 e-mails about it and you’ve only got to look at his comments section to see what his readers believed.
Read between the lines…
He isn’t the first and he wont be the last…
Don’t you think it makes sense for a site that has ‘Lord Wenger’ in the headline to take a pop at the site who coined the phrase AKB?
signing of the summer = silvestre on a 5 year conract.
Yeah maybe Pedro I am just not 100% convinced he was having a pop against le grove.
anyway any team news for tonight? is fabregas and arshavin fit?
Traore out for ten days is a worry, Silvestre against Villa would be scary! I thought Clichy was meant to be more or less back?
rob green think so… fab hasn’t been mentioned but wenger has talked about how tough arshavin is and he should be fine
lol, silvestre against, milner/young/gabby = us getting fucked
2 points:
Fab(ianski) is an accident waiting to happen but he will come for dead balls close to the goal so that against ManCity in the CC the massive height advantage thay had was laregely neutralised (asfter the firstr one where Ade had a free header) – it’s not great but I’d go for Almunia as the steadier against lesser teams who put less emphasis on free kicks and will get less of them (maybe including tonight if the team plays). I don’t like mannone all that much at all and have great hopes for Szczesny who could be ready for next year imo depending on his next loan move.
2 Fabregas – I don’t think they’ll let him go – he’s too important goals and assists – Ramsey has shown a few times he’s not ready compared to that – although as you said yesterday Fabregas is the best in the league, which brings me to my point: Like Arshavin, Fabregas has been way off his best game in lost of matches this year but for all that they can getthe job done when they’re struggling because they’ve got that class – however, with the injuries we now need them to play well to stay competitive rather than waiting for the team to improve when they found their best form
Silvestre is experienced enough to not be caught out of position too often. Traore’s pace will do little to combat these players if he is caught out. I think Clichy will be back by then anyway
GoonerMicheal’s comment above about Almunia “almunia is shit and was at fault for the bindippers goal. Why shouldn’t I say that? He should never be wearing an Arsenal shirt. He is by far one of the worst goalkeepers in the premier league” perfectly show the D&G mentality.
Hands up anyone here who thinks Almunia is top-class? I dont see any hands. We all know Almunia is dodgy to say the least. He certainly was at fault for Liverpool’s goal. But if you take last weekends action as a starting point then Petr Cech is certainly a far worse keeper than Almunia. The fact is that the League is full of worse keepers than Almunia. Would we like to see a world-class keeper at Arsenal? Of course, but who? Everyone loved Mannone when he came into the side and was brilliant at Fulham but then he cost us goals in virtually every other game he played and cost us a win at West Ham. I even saw comments the other day on a blog saying Fabianski should “DEFINATELY” be the No.1 because he was “FAR BETTER” than Almunia. Based on what evidence I would like to know?
And there is that “he isnt fit to wear an Arsenal shirt” stuff again. Comments like that cant be taken seriously since Alex Song was the most recent person that everyone claimed “wasnt fit to wear the Arsenal shirt”.
I always wonder what the D&G’s would have done to Tony Adams. Tony Adams was AWFUL his first few full seasons, and fully deserved all the donkey taunts he got everywhere across the country. But people were patient and he turned into one of the great defenders. Patience.
oh well
from the other unnamed blog
afternoon all
Rob I think I called him a geriatric, but I’ll add cunt if it helps.
Listen, it’s this site that give people like him oxygen, I tell Pedro not to read them, I sure don’t, but if it wasn’t for us, he wouldn’t get any readers.
Half of them have no minds of there own, he emailed me with a name Wenger is god, that kind of reminded me of all the girls that stood outside the Churchill hotel waiting for a glimpse of Donny Osmond in the 70′s, I bet they all feel like proper cunts now.
You see I’ve always loved the Arsenal, regardless of who the fuck is managing them, this new breed aren’t Arsenal fans, they are Arsene fans.
Mao had the same following, blind and slightly dim and normally in bred and ugly.
Ok I made up the last bit.
Rob, look at his comment at 9.12, that should help.
big game tonight,lets see if they learned anything from the sunday game
Well all i’ll say, is that if the blog was indeed looking for free advertising space, they certainly got it.
Back to the Arsenal?
wenger is god is a knob @ 9;12
Geoff, I don’t think that 0912 comment is the author of that site.
afternoon bbk. How are you today?
It’s weird, from my experience there are so many more clones with no real input or intelligible thought in the “wenger is a cunt” brigade than the “wenger is god” brigade. Inarticulate unintelligent people are usually more negative than positive too, because they jump on press bandwagons, and just parrot things in the papers.
Maybe it’s just on here though, as this blog is more negative than positive, which leads most positive people to stay away, and draws the most negative people like moths to a flame?
yes g.m i am in a peaceful place at this moment in time,i hope that the result later will keep me sane for a change
you stay here though A so it must have something for positive people.
BBK. What’s your prediction?
WIN
2-5 to arsenal
Who are you and why have you stolen BBK’s computer?
Well he’s the author a a site that was talking about us because he came on and denied it, so firstly it touched his raw nerve and secondly he reads Le Grove.
Which is oxymoronic behaviour.
h.b just think we will get the win today
Pedro, I think your assumptions about the other site are probably right, but I don’t think the author can really be held responsible for the flavour of what comes back in the comments section – if that was the case Geoff would be a Song fan now, thanks to Sharkey !!
Pretty fucking boring world if we all had the same outlook aswell, hey.
Burnley have ahd some good results but we should beat them. Shocking team selection from Wolves yesterday I hope they go down now
I just signed up my office sky box to get ESPN as I’m out on the piss tonight and I then found out we aren’t on ESPN till Saturday, I feel such a complete cunt.
A, the positive people complain more… but like GM said, you all stay here.
Also, there has to be positive and negative.
There can’t be people who flip flop depending on topic?
Why does it have to be one or the other?
Plus… like I always say… if it were all one type of fan, the convo would die out pretty quickly. There’s only so long a thread can run with everyone agreeing.
Should be an easy win tonight me thinks.
Ryan it’s not that, it’s the fact that they do it to get comments, look at his comment before that, then the people that make the comments are all the same sad aresholes I lobbed off here.
They use us to get there hits.
You should be flattered Geoff !!
Ryan, it’s always the same Le Grove haters that follow those articles around.
All banned from here for being unable to play nicely.
They all say,
‘I was on Le Grove and I said the Eboue’s goal was very good, to which they told me to fuck off and support another team.’
What a load of bollocks…
Like Geoff said, we prefer to talk football over bloggers…
Bendtner for king!
It should be an easy win.
It’s 14 degrees in Leicester, so Burnley shouldn’t be too cold!
Absolutely gm, it makes it enjoyable, but I mean more the mythical positive people who don’t have their own thoughts – maybe they stay away from here because of the nature of this blog, whereas the other extreme, negative people without their own thoughts flock here! That would make sense, it makes negative clones feel welcome, but not positive clones.
Certainly on here you don’t hear people saying “x is amazing” and when asked why their not being able to analyse the reasons for reaching that conclusion, but you do have a fair few saying “x is shit, y is a cunt, the whole team is shit and cunts” and when pressed about it the extent of their rationale to reach that conclusion is “i used my eyes”, then repeating the words shit and cunt to refer to the players over and over!
Can someone just clarify what the article was about please?
I am Ryan, because they read Le Grove before they go back and bitch about what we’ve said, the irony of that is lost on them.
However, I hate the fact they can’t do something for themselves, their blogs should be about Arsenal, not me and Pedro, still we are more newsworthy and less predictable than Arsene Wenger.
Yep you’re are right Pedro and that is absolute bollocks aswell – I just don’t think that the author can then be held responsible for those people that then comment. But like Geoff says that could be the idea of the author to get hits – in this case I just think it really is just an alternative views.
There will always be a section of fans that have only known the Wenger way, because he has been here a long time and thats just the natural evolvement of football fans over a period of time – there will always be new fans and on the whole that is a good thing.
Of course Pedro, I’m not complaining, it’s just an observation. I just don’t get the talk about “akbs” and there’s a real irony to the term, because on here I’ve not encountered anyone who fits that profile, but many who fit the profile if it was used in a negative context, and also generally the one’s who use it are the same ones who fit the negative “akb” profile!
Not complaining about the mix on here at all, but just that when it comes to the extremes – those who believe something without thinking for themselves, there are many more on the negative side than positive, though obviously the majority of people overall are in the middle
A I personally know 3 gooners who think it’s heresy to suggest Wenger should ever leave.
What’s wrong with that opinion gm – If they can justify it with a rational analysis of why they believe that
I am what they would call an ‘akb’ and I disagree with nearly everyone on here. I just can’t be arsed getting personal, and attempt to put across my viewpoint.
What I do find is that any so-called ‘akb’ with extreme views (there are loads of nutters out there) are kicked off, or don’t bother commenting, but those with opposite view-points, who are also nutters, are allowed on.
Doesn’t make sense, but im not that bothered.
Fair comment A.
By nature, you’d never get an AKB on here… to the true extent of the word.
I think I saw Raddy telling someone off on here last night for using it…
I like the mix on here, so articles like the one on the other site don’t really matter…
A
That’s life unfortunately. Negativiyty is much easeir than positivity. That’s why people like jay abrahams make fortunes sellig pma type courses.
Oh fuck off A you Arsene loving marmite picking numb fucking nuts. How can you say we have exfuckingstremes on here?
GM – I think if you’ve got a thick enough skin then you can tolerate the brickbats you get as a so called AKB on LG.
Not to mention the yellow cards you get cos you ain’t posting according to the prevailing mood…yeah I’ve had a few of those…and Mayank got one on Sat…
Look at the complete and utter irony of being called an AKB…?? We supposedly have no arguments of our own, but just follow Arsene blindly…AS IF !!! So instead of telling someone where they are going wrong just call them an AKB and thats the argument won. Jaguar did that last night…and many others before him.
Look at Geoff’s comment that implies that all AKBs are new fans.
Geoff – God only knows why you think that, or how you justify it.
Personally I don’t think LG is as negative as some make out.
Rob G. That article is 100% about LG, that should be pretty clear to everyone.
*Sharkey reaches for his tin hat*
And gm I was talking about on here, not in real life! Though in real life I don’t know any irrational positives, though I don’t know many positives at all!
Will there definitely be a stream for tonight’s game?
Can someone just clarify what the article was about please?ok thanks just leave me hanging it’s cool
Phaking people!
Too right Ryan L….
Its all about differing opinions !!!
I have to say that I pretty much 100% agree with the Untold Arsenal article as well.
But they don’t A. They don’t think Wenger is ever responsible for anything bad. I love Wenger but he should never be playing Almunia in goal. He’s not even a marmite player. No one rates him.
http://blog.emiratesstadium.info/2009/12/how-to-be-an-arsenal-doom-and-gloomer-in-ten-easy-steps/
If we’re all complaining today, these chips are cold!
Ha, ha Sharkey must have an AKB radar, mention it and he appears!
A I was being ironic by the way.
BBK
It was called how to be a doom and gloomer in 10 easy steps. It was about you
If Arsene Wenger and Osama Bin Laden were in the room and I had a gun with 2 bullets, I’d shoot Wenger twice!!
Then I’d pistol whip him just to make sure!!
Sharkey – being labelled an AKB by certain individuals is actually a compliment !!
MnM why aren’t you over there commenting then?
Yeah Pedro, I don’t think you could get an akb on here, though the term is still used by negative people at times when having a discussion with a positive person, though generally when they’re incapable of coming up with a rational retort to a point someone has made! In the majority of occasions on here it carries as much weight in an argument as coming out with “yeah well, your mum”.
Le Grove is the only blog I read, or contribute to comments wise, so I’ve got no idea about this other article on this other blog!
It’s all about you BBK.
I agree MnM, ten ways to write a boring article…
lol Geoff, yeah I got that!
Yeah Ryan – being labelled an AKB in many cases means you’ve actually won the argument!
Even Wenger became one of us when he told his team a babies they weren’t fit to wear the Arsenal shirt, tell that to the people who think it’s wrong to criticise.
Geoff – Ive commented before, but there’s no point really. You get the occasional person who disagree’s with it, but most of them are like me.
Its much more interesting to debate with people with different opinions.
Yep, differing views are to be applauded – it’s just the levels of sanity/insanity behind those views that sometimes test the tolerance !!
I tried to read that article yesterday but to be honest, it was so badly written I gave up after about a minute.
It was not just the goal we conceded.Almunia was shocking throughout especially his kicking.
And I agree with A. Sometimes the AKB’s are just correct, and being called one certifies your argument.
Unless you are an Arsene/Arsenal ass-sucker-mentalist
I agree MnM, if everyone had the same opinion and agreed with Wenger, they’d all read Arsenal.com and go home.
An ASM, well done MnM you have given birth to a new phrase! I like it.
Picking up on the whole Wenger @ Anfield half time outburst…….Cesc said he’s never done that before. So losing 1-0 at HT against Liverpool was worse than losing 2-0 at HT to Chelsea????
I have to say, and don’t get offended, but I disagree with pretty much everything that is written on the site. But there is a need for this blog, because there are people who don’t want to read A Cultured Left Foot.
So what would you disagree with about today post then?
TAIG, I wondered that too. There have been plenty of times when we’ve shown far less desire than we were in that first half, and Wenger’s never got angry about it before?
Often at half time intervals i’m livid and would happily beat the shit out of the entire team
obviously the authour of that article must like getting spanked at home to chelsea and finishing 4th every year.
Red card him Geoff… 100% agreement is a prerequisite to the comments.
TAIG – From the perspective of winning individual battles on the pitch yeah it probably was. Wenger was documented as saying that he felt we were losing all the 50-50′s at Anfield but against Chelsea we bossed a lot of the possession, which suggests we were winning a lot of the midfield battle. You are right that they probably stilled deserved a bollocking but Ican see why he would have a more pessimistic view of the 1st 45 at Anfield than he did of the 1st 45 at home to the Chavs.
pedro/geoff.. what is the site email?
Some of you guys dont know the meaning of akb kile Geoff has pointed out.
how dare you criticise a Wenger decision on some sites?
or say that you dont rate a wenger signing?
‘Go support spurs, chavs, mancs etc you cunt’ would be the natural response.
those are the fucking AKBs
Sharkey u not an AKB in that sense. I know u wish you were one but in the Le Grove sense you arent
Someone on another blog that is like the Australia of Le-Grove (the rejects) has wished death on me in the past
now that is a fucking KAY EN OH BEE (KNOB)
Ryan L. but what about all the games last season when we weren’t even bothering to go for the 50/50s?
That didn’t make him angry?
**** ike not kile
Very well put Franchise!
*** Like
FFS im suffering from a rare form of typinson’s
TAIG.
Interesting point re the Chavs. I guess AW felt we had put in a decent shift for 40 minutes whereas many went missing at Anfield first half.
Also interesting about the negative and positive bloggers. I believe it is purely down to consistent and benevolent parenting that I became an AKB
Haha typinsons
“Yes the bollocking turned it around, but it was far from convincing, Liverpool were more shit than we were good, we got away with it and the one player that dug us out of the do-do was the one player you paid a lot of money for. So that really illustrates what buying class players achieves.” – I think you are out of order to be honest, we had to beat them and we did. And Vermaelen wasn’t even in the top three players. Gallas, Sagna and Denilson were all better.
“I read that we were in for Van der Vaart and Steven Defour, good call, midfield covered” – VdV may be good, but would be a pointless signing, and Defour is nowhere near Song and Denilson’s level.
“Cesc has told Marca he intends playing for Catalunia, if that’s true then I believe he will go, Ramsey is good cover should something happen, and I wouldn’t want to have an unhappy Cesc, he is very average when he’s unhappy.” – Don’t agree with that. We are his club and he should play for us, not some fantasy garbage friendly team.
“I think Diaby will get the nod over Denilson and frankly after Sunday, I would give Eboue the nod over Denilson, but don’t hold your breath.” – Denilson is injured, but that is totally incorrect. Denilson is way ahead of both of them.
“One thing is for sure, we won’t do it with the keeper we have, once again he was at fault, you can see how the defence are nervous everytime the other team gets near our area, we can all see it boss, why on earth can’t you? Let Fabianski loose, at least he commands his area, he is a great shot stopper, and he makes himself big like Given. …Given, £8million, if only…” – Given is massively over-rated, and would do the exact same thing as Almunia in those circumstances, and cost us more overall. But Fabianski should be in goal.
That’s about it.
Typinson’s LOL Franchise
HBill try reading SharkeySure’s comments attimes. He is a typo king
Sharkey are you sure your keyboard layout is a United Kingdom QWERTY?????
MnM, that’s a touch immature isn’t it?
To be fair, he did ask me what I disagreed with. It seemed the easiest way to do it.
Apologies, you did comment on it…
I thought you’d cut and paste.
That would be immature. And the only time I am immature is when discussing the pro’s and pro’s of Denilson.
Haha just cutting and pasting would have been much funnier
We also have the JGBTTs bloggers.
Just Get Behind The Team
they natural response to a comment of critique is JGBTT
they think they are the holy of holies of fans
how boring would it be if we all just had to shut up and GBTT on the blog?
Gallas was better than Vermaelen?
I doubt you’d find many that would agree with that. He nearly gave away two penalties!
Almunia better than Given? Please!
MnM, I have noticed that you are to Denilson, what I am to Nikki B.
… and in fairness, I think I prefer Denilson to Song as a player. However, for that position, Song is bossing it it in comparison this season.
Long term though, probably Denilson.
guys i just read the article and the comments…there are things that can be agreed and disagreed upon..
Agreed on :
(1)Doom mongers(we got enough nonsense coming out from pundits,commentators and ex-footballers mouth, some aresenal fans are joining their allegiance.
(2)Constant Slating of other bloggers
Disagreed on :
(1)Unable to question Wenger when he get thigs wrong.
(2)Arse(ne) kissing
i have to agree with MnM, there’s a difference between AKB and ASM..
Anyone who thinks we haven’t missed Nik B needs to go back and watch the games. He is tireless
Bill – I think the key point of tea cup throwing outbursts is to keep them to a minimum so it doesn’t become the norm and water off a ducks back.
Also probably has more effect if you are a crazy boot kicking Glaswegian with a hint of whiskey on the breath, as opposed to a skinny French bloke nicknamed Clouseau !!
Pedro im he was last season, though not this season. We need Fabianski in there asap, he should be in the side now.
My man of the match was actually Traore, for me he just edged out Vermaelen, Sagna, and Arshavin
Since I started following team sports every fan had a right to rate or unrate a player, like or dislike etc
i would like denilson to read my comment that says he is too lightweight and spends 90% of the game on his backside
IMO I dont have to prove my support to anyone. I love Arsenal in my own way
I am to Nikky B to what I am to Denilson, so maybe we will agree on something
And I don’t think Almunia is better than Given, just better in the air and general commanding of his area (even if he isn’t that great himself)
As for Gallas. If he gave them away he gets marked down, but he didn’t, so quite frankly, I couldn’t care less. He was immense and the best defender in the world to my mind.
Tommy V would have shaded it for me, simply for the way in which he kept coming forward and showing the rest of the lads how it’s done. He spurred the team on with his body language (watch again to see what i mean)
He’s Captain material
He was the reason why Torres should have scored in the first half.
If he scored he gets marked down, but he didn’t so quite frankly …..
Well MnM you are easily pleased then, because if you think Denilson is that good and Defour isn’t as good as Song and Given is overrated then we need no signings and we’ll win everything this year.
Well good luck with that then.
If you think signing Dafour will win us the league you are more deluded than myself.
This season the only area in which we have been superb in almost every game is central midfield, so I see no point bothering about that area unless we want extra backup.
Given is overrated, but don’t take that as me thinking he is crap, they are very different words. Some class him as the best goalkeeper in the league, which he is not. He is guilty of the exact same things as Almunia, but more often than not, he doesn’t even bother coming for the cross.
Almunia has shown he can be a good GK. For whatever reason he is playing like a twat this season. I’d like to see him regain his good form
http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/sport/642441/Sources-in-Spain-suggest-Wengers-bid-for-defender-is-rejected.html?OTC-RSS&ATTR=Sport&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ScoreArsenal+%28Arsenal+%29
That’s interesting if true, though probably not. Meant to be an awesomely talented right back, though where that leaves Eboue I don’t know
Eboue is the big game defensive right winger and a backup central midfielder at the moment. Very good squad player.
my take on Jan transfer would be we will be getting a CB, who it will be i don’t know..cos Senderos will surely be sold to Bayern and at a high price too..he didn’t play a single game in CL this season which will have Bayern interested..
Kinda sad to see Senderos leave though,he’s a decent CB..partnership with DJ in WC06 was best in group stages..he needs a run of games to boost his confidence..whenver he played well in a series of games he will be benched once the first team player (toure) gets well..CB don’t mature at 28 ffs
we’re not going to get another defender. Forget it because Arsene is going to sweet talk Mikael Silvestre into signing another contract….well he is top quality…….
And Almunia is top quality as well, so says Arsene so he’s staying put as well.
So no more talk about GKs, it’s Almunia as long as Arsene has confidence in him, and keep your fingers crossed Silvestre sign a new contract in March.
http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/wenger-i-will-sort-out-silvestre-contract
http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/wenger-i-have-full-confidence-in-almunia
Josh, what records has Almunia broken?
@Josh
tell me u r not nervous whenever the oppo gains a corner or free kick around our area…if u do then we need someone better than what we have now
there’s only one Manuel, and it’s not Almunia..Manuel Nueur ever heard of him??
He’s better than Petr Cech
Not much love on here today
I can’t believe wolves last night!! i would be so p*ssed off I was a wolves fan and went last night!!
i fancy us to win 2-0 tonight
Yeah Petr Cech is rubbish.
Haha, yeah, Petr Cech is a terrible keeper…
Wolves manager is such an idiot!
If you had watched Cech this season you would agree with me. He’s been shit.
Fran – Yo kown I haf no difence to yourtypinsons akkusations.
Loved that jibe about my Spanish keyboard !! Qaualatee
Geoff – AKB radar….more humour or are you gonna do control F to find my first post of the day.
Whoever it was that said extreme positivity is fervently discouraged, whilst extreme negativity is completely accepted is spot on.
Anyway, no more from me on the topic !
hey pedro where’s Josh comments?? i’d just wanted a good debate..not getting any then
Overall, form aside. Chelsea are top of the league, they’ve kept a bundle of clean sheets, he’s 24 and he’s won a bundle of trophies and overall… he’s been a top keeper.
Almunia versus Cech.
It’s not even a contest.
Izham, if you think you’d get a good debate from someone who spells ‘the’: DA then you’re on the wrong blog.
The 15 year olds debate elsewhere.
It very much is a contest because Cech (anyone else nearly always type “Cesc”?) has been tuuuuurrable.
Don’t tell me someone has said Almunia is better than Cech!! Cech has hit bad form but he is 10 times better than cech.
cech better than cech?
MnM, he’s having a bad spell… but he’s given them so much over the years… he’ll come back to his best.
Almunia has never really hit the heights Cech has and I doubt at 29 he ever will.
SS with all the slaggin BBK gets how can you say negativity is encouraged and positivity discouraged?
Its all about manner of delivery
Take for example Big Raddy who IMO is quite a very positive blogger on here, never offends anyone with his views
Damn that boy..those who thinks that Al is better than Cech are deluded..Cech is a world class goalkeeper,only recently has he hit poor form..i’d take Cech any day..
NUEUR,NUEUR,NUEUR,NUEUR,NUEUR,NUEUR,NUEUR,NUEUR,NUEUR,NUEUER
Sharkey, this fervent positivity you speak of? Where is it? Share some with us?
Is it just the when fervent positivity is met with negativity, the positivity people can’t hack it?
I don’t see these unbelievable comments of positivity that keep getting rejected from the site?
If you’ve got something positive to say and it’s challenged, battle back I say… don’t moan about being disagreed with…
Cech has never been the same after his accident, but he is still one of the best in the league.
Almunia is errr.. not one of the best in the league.
lol Pedro
Come on MnM. Just look at the defensive records. IMO Almunia is not even in the top 15 keepers.
Better than Coco:-
Cech
Freidel
Jaaskelinen
Sorenson
Jensen
VdS
Reina
Gomez (ask a Spud)
Given
Craig Gordan
James
Kirkland
Schwarzer
have to say I think Le Grove is more accepting of a wide range of views than virtually any other Arsenal blog.
you can support or slate just about any player or manager at any time.
I tell you if you went and slated a player or the manager of some sites you would not last 5 minutes there.
thats not free speech/thinking. thats a dictatorship.
Its ironic that they see Le Grove as a dictatorship when in fact its quite often their site.
Le Grove only operates a policy of be polite and give reasons for your arguments. You really cannot say fairer than that.
Fran, very well put.
BBK never writes a whole post about positive people and how much they rankle him… he just posts his comments and gets on with it.
Cheers Gazzap!
Raddy… I can’t think of many memorable Almunia saves.
Big Dave Seaman… I’ve got a list of them!
I can even think of quite a few amazing Fabianski and Mannone moments…
SS has a vendetta against any Song slaggers
Pedro Cech isn’t having a bad spell, he’s been poor since his injury, and has been getting worse ever since he returned, and is now imo the worst keeper in the league. Almunia over Cech every day, although that isn’t saying much. Rumours increasing on a daily basis that a new keeper is on his way in January to replace him.
Ask any Chelsea fan what they think of Cech – he’s been at fault for at least twice as many goals as Almunia has this season, and if they had anyone else in goal they’d be a good few points better off and further ahead at the top of the table!
almunia.. the penalty save comes to mind! keane it was i think.
Almunia is better thaneveryone apart from VDS, Friedel, Howard, Reina and possibly Cech depending on how well he recovers.
Cech was poor ALL last season, and is worse this season, it isn’t a bad spell, he’s just done, but because he was so amazing pre injury chelsea have kept faith in him until now.
what tha fuck has silvestre done to earn a new contract. Wenger has seriously lost the plot.
Its snowing like mad in NW london, just what i dont need.
Yeah Almunia has saved some big penalties over the last few years, but he isn’t a spectacular save keeper, he’s just a mr reliable, who isn’t very reliable anymore.
for me Im quite fed up with the lack of trophies mainly because we could have improved things financially and money was never exactly a stumbling block
a lot that blog on here are of the same mind set re the state of the club so it probably feels like a ganging up when it actually isnt
the sincerity of the posts that attracted me to this blog no sugarcoating
His save against Roma could rival any save by any keeper.
re the new contract come on now, let’s not be silly. If asked about players wenger is not going to say “no i’m not going to renew his contract”.
A, you are a hater…
He’ll come good.
MnM, that list you’re reading isn’t really good enough for a club like ours is it?
Almunia is shit. Double fact.
Don’t care much about Cech.
But we need someone better than Almunia.
Choy, we’ve got that in Fabianski… he could be fantastic if he got a run.
Cech is top of the Actim results. not sure what that says, but I rate him as better than Almunia. its true he is not as good as he was, but under mourinho the guy was virtually perfect week in week out.
I dont have a list of first choice PL keepers in front of me, but off the top of my head I cant think of any I would rate below Almunia. A few are about equal, but they tend to play for teams scrapping for relegation.
Who says Almunia is good enough for us? I didn’t, that’s for sure. He should be backup to Fabianski.
If pedro, if.
When is he going to get a run?
Pedro has been guilty of over playing Bentner’s performances though. He does this to smite myself and probably David
David is just a Bendtner hater
Pedro it’s been a 3 year bad spell, and getting worse every year, not sure I’d have that much faith in him coming good! If the rumours are true Ancelotti doesn’t either and he’ll be demoted to number two in January.
choy Fabianski is better than Almunia, and will be a top top keeper.
MnM, A, I respectfully disagree entirely.
Sure Cech is not the man he was. For 3 seasons he was magnificent. But….. he is still a fine keeper. Maybe not great but a damned sight better than our clown.
I refer you to my comments over the past 2 years. I have always maintained that Coco is not Arsenal quality. I can only imagine that AW is loathe to spend big money when he expects so much from Fabianski
Gazzap, that’s stats for you…
I don’t think he is anywhere near as bas as A just made out. He’s made some errors, but he’s also kept plenty of clean sheets.
Funny A… someone you’ve got equal hatred for, Agbonlohor, is the 5th best player in the league according to opta.
Franchise, I don’t decry anyone for tainting my view of Nik… I just defend my thoughts.
Pedro A would bollock the relevance of the stats. He liked them when he defended Denilson last season though
Yeah, to say that Cech is worse than Almunia is way OTT… you wouldn’t get many Chav fans agreeing with that.
El tel would be very happy today!
Pedro we’ve gotten along better this year cos of the injury that has plagued the young Dane. Hostilities would resume next year if we are to believe our Medical team
lol Franchise. David goes quiet when SuperNik isn’t playing. I think it is one of those unrequited love things…. you know the type…..
You get blown out and then tell your mates that she was not “all that!”
Yeah… things have been better since that and the departure of Ade.
Pedro go and look on Chelsea blogs, there’s talk he could even be dropped for the Pompey game tonight. I’ve not got hatred for either, I just don’t rate cech at all as a keeper anymore, along with alot of chelsea fans, and agbonlahor is effective for villa but his all round game is absolutely attrocious! Nothing to do with hatred, it’s to do with analysis of performances and attributes!
BTW where is Master P if you reading this show yourself
He would indeed Choy
A, talk to the stats cause the eyes ain’t watching…
Okay you guys asked….
Its those occasions where Geoff slates someone for either ‘blowing smoke up Arsene’s arse’, or tells them they’re on the wrong site for praising Arsene, and invites them to blog elsewhere.
I guess Geoff has the right of reply on this one, but honestly I don’t want to carry this on.
Lets be clear….
I like Le-Grove…I’m here practically every working day
Agbonlahor is very effective for Villa, and the stats reflect that, doesn’t mean he’s a very good player though!
Pedro Ade wasnt exactly an issue. U backed him in Jan 09 when I started getting fed up with him
Opinions on selling Clichy if someone offered 15mil+?
Maybe the same could be said of Denilson?
Fuck off Sharkey you Le-Grove hating AKB!!!!
What time’s KO tonight?
SS u and Geoff need to meet up for beer soon or a boat cruise
RAddy I hear you
I used to have a very radical view last year. It seems getting to 30 has tamed me a little or maybe it is just because Nikki B is out of action njured and we are winning more games
MnM, it’s something that’s going to have to happen really… I’d hope for more than £15mill though…
Of course they could Pedro, though obviously you look at them and they’re different players.
Agbonlahor is effective purely because of his physical attributes.
Denilson is effective despite his physical attributes.
BK – 7:45
MnM. Sell
Oh and btw….
I don’t blog anywhere else, and very rarely read the comments anywhere else.
Get me a Le-Grove t-shirt please Ped.
Can I have ‘SharkeySureAKB’ on the front and ‘SharkeySureWAC’ on the back please…
Cheques in the post…
Agree BR
If these injury problems are going to be a permanent issue now then I’d be happy with £15 mil at the end of the season, though Madrid might pay more. Gibbs and Traore to battle it out for the left back slot, I’d actually prefer Traore.
BTW i didnt mean to sound like Nikki B not featuring was the reason we were winning more games or maybe I was
A, I like Traore… he’s so powerful and fast.
But the difference between MA and Cech is one is a poor keeper, and the other is a very good keeper who is making mistakes. One can come through their bad patch and be very good again, the other can never be very good.
Josh,
yawn, jog on…
Yeah same Pedro, I see all three of our centre backs as similar, but the big difference is that Traore is big and very strong and powerful, as well as lightning. Kuyt out wide right usually bullies every left back he comes up against, but Traore more than held his own against him, and same against Torres a couple of times.
Gibbs is better though.
I said a few days ago I would start Traore even if Clichy and Gibbs returned to fitness
Most people do Heroine or Cocaine or whatever drugs coz it gets them high but at the end of the day they know its not good for them, I’d equate my reading this blog to that. I know that might just earn me a yellow/red.
I dunno about that MnM, I reckon Traore will end up the better of the two.
Pedro;
“A, I like Traore… he’s so powerful and fast.”
Not to sound Homophobic but i thought you were into girls…
We want our T-Shirts!! We want our T-Shirts!! We want our T-Shirts!!
Well said Gazzap. Almunia is at the peak of his powers, he will not get better now. He has bags of experience (including a CL Final), and yet is unable to inspire confidence in either his defence or the fans.
It is time he left.
I will not have a problem with Fish-head getting an extra year. He is professional, experienced, and has not performed badly when he’s played. Also he has not gone to the papers talking about wanting regular football etc. He knows his place in the squad, and if he is wiling to stay for one more year, then why not.
Pedro you ever thought about having awards on here for the end of the year? Saw on a forum they have end of year awards, voted for by people on here, funniest legrover of the year, voice of reason, nuttiest, young legrover of the year etc etc
lol Mimi. u crack head
Fish head is such a sick name. i like it
A – Great shout!! Pedro….make it so!!
Too many people to gauge A, for e.g. Ethangunner comes on at a time when no-one around. It won’t be fair for him to be robbed of his voice of reason award because of his time zone.
I’ve just been to Selfridges to get the missus a Christmas present…
The lying cunts don’t even sell fridges.
So Mayank wins the comedy award then!
If Manure had Almunia in goal we would all be laughing at them. For me he is just not good enough. Almunia will never win you the league or a cup competition, and if you think GKs cant do this then look at what schmicael did for manure and what Maninger did for us.
The way it worked on the forum that I saw was that people nominated and agreed on nominants, then a poll was put up with 10 or so nominated for each award and people could vote. Le grove operates 24 hrs a day so the likes of Ethan wouldn’t have their opportunity for glory taken away, those who often come into contact with him would have the opportunity to vote when they were on
Im definitely the funniest. Wait let me find my speech
Was just a thought anyways as saw it elsewhere!
If Utd had Almunia in goal they’d probably be a few points better off than with Kuzczak and Foster!
A u would win the Most Enigmatic award
IA;
They had Foster and have Kuszack no-ones laughing at them but me. But I’d do that even if they had Buffon there.
TAIG;
I’d like to thank the great lord for giving me the opportunity.
Mayank –
afternoon…
Cesc playin for catalonia…give it a rest…then we might as well send some of our players to play for taliban,black september..ffs its just a wannabe republic who does not have a great history of peace..
aston villa Pedro..same procedure as last year james..
and Wenger are you gettin alzheimers..almunia good enough..for what ??..no get your finger out of your..and do something about almunia that fellah is a walking disaster…
“the likes of Ethan wouldn’t have their opportunity for glory taken away”
lol, a cellar of salt must’ve been used for that one…
The Emirates has just been given the nod as one of the grounds to be used for the 2018 WC if England win it.
Everyone please don’t watch the snowman this Christmas it is the most unrealistic film ever made.
Come on as if a boy with ginger hair would have a pal!
Why thank you Franchise, there should be a “most aggravating” award, “most hate-filled”, I wonder who would win when it comes to individual hatred, David towards Bendy, Geoff towards Song, Pat towards Theo, who’s the biggest Denilson hater, and Eboue?
yeah..maybe Clichy going…how would we accomodate, him, Gibbs and Traore at the same time.
I think Cesc might also go…Ramsey is starting to breathe down his neck already. 25M?
Jaguar and Diaby
The Emirates OT and Wembly are the only one’s that would do the WC any justice if i’m not mistaken. Oh and the one in Cardiff.
I have a really bad gut feeling about tonight. Its not logical but I think we might not win this game.
I hope I am wrong.
im happy with my funniest award
Ramsey is nowhere near Cesc’s level atm.
Good point Franchise, forgot about them!
ritesh Ramsey is nowhere near ready to replace Cesc yet, it won’t happen in the summer, and certainly not for £25 mil!! £40 mil plus in 18 months time at the earliest, and cheapest!
Manure have suffered from a problem in defence, and even if they have to put up with having a shit keeper it doesnt mean we have to as well.
If Almunia was a new signing I think most people here and elsewhere would be calling it one of AW’s worst signings.
It’e a very hard match and I’m afraid I’ll have to be up till 3.30 am. It’ll really suck if we lose.
well A Geoff certainly seems like a man on a mission…at least he is persistant..then again he’s fighting the Song brigade…and napoleon won some mior battles..but Lord Song ehmm sorry Nelson…saved us in the end
and thats only an opinion…
why not a most “lovable” award much in hollywood style..but that would maybe be too much AKB…hehe
True inside, though if he’d been bought by someone like Sunderland then people would be saying “how did we miss out on him he’s way better than our current keeper”
its a le-grove love in
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A I hardly agree with you but one thing I like bout you is that you are hardly offensive in your responses
Gazzap..dont worry we will be ok tonite…no doubt
Guys Im on the verge of breaking up with my GF after 3.5 years together and living together for almost as long
part of me is broken but another bit is ok with it. the broken part of me seems more though.
I thought we’d be outplayed and beaten on Sunday, but we ended up winning. But have to say we were lucky to win in that we should have been 2-0 down at half time. I dont think Burnley will outplay us but football has a funny way of getting you back ie it’ll be the opposite to what happened at Anfield.
there are not a lot of good keepers around….
+ if Fabianski comes in, he may be prone to mistakes at the start…like last time…same for the Italian
The best around for the moment is Hugo Lloris…but hes not for sale.
Sharkey;
Re Song, I think the people hate/don’t rate him can’t separate talent from on-field performance. He’s just the kind of determined player who albeit less talented gives it his all and plays on-par with much more talented players. People always wax lyrical about the earlier players and how they used to give it their all despite their handicaps. I don’t understand why the same doesn’t apply to him.
Oh sorry not Sharkey but STG;
A – I am guessing you made that comment with Cana in mind. Nevertheless I disagree, When Mad Jens, or Seamen were in goal I cant remember too many fans looking at other club’s GKs with envy. The problem we have now is that our GK is average, and surely a position of such importance has to be filled with someone who is better than what we have now.
I believe all the players will make mistakes and will loose form from time to time, but when they are on form they produce blinders, Almunia just never produces a blinder. I dont think it any coincidence that he has and will never play for spain.
A when it comes to almunia there is really no way you can defend him..if youre not doing a wenger ,,deflections my a..
sorry to hear that franchise
ritesh any keeper from abroad would also make mistakes and take time to adapt to the premiership. I’d prefer Fabianski to any signing, which would always be a risk.
Sorry to hear that Franchise, plenty more fish in the sea etc
Mayank
are you seeking a membership in the Brigade ? give me a nod and your in …..well put by the way….
Franchise…its the road we as Men have to follow once in a while,..head up…
that is a bummer Fran.
Song if you’re talking about the Liverpool goal then I said at the time I didn’t blame him for it. He’s made lots of mistakes this season but I don’t consider him to be the reason we conceded that goal
cheers guys well well……
and Franchise for every door that we close, another one opens..may not be that bad in the end..
insidealbania I agree, though the standard of keeping then was much higher. For whatever reason it’s really gotten worse, and you’ll be hard pressed to find a single club in the league that doesn’t have fans slating its keeper
one less thing to moan about, can concentrate my moaninity on Arsenal
A thats true ive watched it again and again…still to many errors and not givin our defnce any confidence at all….and thats my main point..he is over all insecure..
Fran
there are still more than a million girls out there….. cheer up
Franchise its like Shaky used to say: Thou shall not walk alone ;…..
I’m never very good in these situations Fran but here goes, there there.
A – I just hope AW gives Fabianski his chance NOW. If he can come in and hack it in winter then he will be our No.1 for a few seasons to come. And I think he has the hunger to step up and prove he is a good GK. Will he make mistakes? probably, but they all do, will he instill confidence in the defence? I think he will because they will know he will come for the high balls.
Them Sky cunts have the bagel eaters game on tonight….
Fabianski needs a good run of games but I think he is better than Al. After all he is Polish.
The first 2 lines of this song sum it all up for me.
stop playing arshavin in the middle(cf). wtff .. let’s juz buy someone hu’s supposed to play there. arsh likes playing in the hole – where he did last season agnst the pool. rvp is injured. edu not what’s reqd to win league. i say get benzema. arshavin fab and rosicky can create. benzema – if handled well can just bang bang bang! and yes, i ahve always blvd – what we need is mikel. song is good. but i want the fucking league. mikel will suit us just perfect. and my christmas wish list – get chiellini (:
Franchise …here’s a game plan …ill sweep up in defence…Mayank will be the man for the link up play ; Megan Fox be aware your about to be gunned down ….hehe
ill be looking out for an invitation to the wedding Franchise..
I think harder pitches and ball dynamics can the reason the standard of GKing has gone down.
Benzema isn’t available, and would cost well over double our transfer record
Benzema is shit..Real want him out… Song is much better than Mikel.. I think we might not sign anyone in jan after all
have a great day all…go on You Gunners….later
letsGUNNem;
the thing about buying players is we have to wait till the FA allow us to. In this case it’s called January.
STG;
Sure thing!
ritesh Benzema is far from shit, and Real don’t want him out, that’s gibberish, he starts almost every game for them
Had aread back…posts I liked…
TAIG 14.44….Cheers mate
Mimi 14.57 Sterady there pal…heroin and coke..lol
A 14.59 Great idea. Polar opposites award – jointly to Sharkey and Geoff
Mayank 15.02 Lol.
Mayank 15.25 No worries its easily done. STG is fighting the fight now as I’ve given up and gone with Mimi’s great idea of just getting high instead
Benzema is shit !!! Madness.
I used to own a large music store in London. The staff used to vote for which customer was The C*nt of the Year. The winner would then receive the trophy on their next visit to the shop.
We told them it was Our Best Customer Award”. Oh how we laughed…..
So…. beware of what you wish for
When you have Ronaldo, any striker is going to look like shite!
Nice blog. Better than many articles by some sports writers. A couple of points:
We will not buy as many players as we would like. If we get one player in January that is great. We all know Wenger.
The other issue is Almunia might not be a great goal keeper but he is better than Fabianski. I’m not saying that Fabianski will not become better than Almunia, but right now Almunia is better.
I agree about selling the surplus players. We produce too many good players. We cann’t possibly keep all of them.
DDM… did you chat with your insider mate?
I think we should insert 250 million buy out clause in Fran Meridas and Ramsey s contract superheros in the making
Ooops at 15.51 I meant to add
Fran’s posts all day. Every single one of them hilarioulsy funny, esp the one’s about him winning the ‘Funniest Fucker on LG’ award !!
I mean Benzema is a good stricker for a club like Lyon. But the Socios are not happy with his performance.
+ dont think his pal Zidane would like him to play in EPL and risk spending his career on the treatment table.
I wouldn’t say they aren’t happy with his performances ritesh, he’s still playing and contributing in the big games, he hasn’t been amazing, but he’s still gotten 4 goals and 3 assists in 10 games, and a great assist in the 3-2 win at Valencia at the weekend
Agree Rocky… Ramsey is the next BIG thing. Merida looks class
the thing about buy out clauses you have to pay the players involved a substantial amount wages wise and give them game time
buy out clauses are there to hinder potential suitors
From that angle, yes…but 20M for a prospect? Compare that with Chamakh for 4M.
We definitely need a striker but Wenger will as always come up with something unexpected from his hat .
no player would want such a hindrance if they are not playing regularly and also if they are not amongst the top earners at the club
buy outs are very rare on this side of the globe. i actually cant remember any player playing in the prem having a y out
buy
BBC quoting that Leicester are interested in Kerrea Gilbert at 750k. Sell. Sell. Sell
Yeah Franchise it isn’t common in the uk, though every player in La Liga has to have one written into his contract. It isn’t a hindrance to potential suitors, it’s designed so that clubs can’t “own” players, and just say you aren’t leaving whatever happens, there has to be a price where if it’s offered the club has no option and the player can move.
There have been a few buy out clauses in the uk, Michael Owen had one at Newcastle, but it’s rare.
A the thing with buy outs is that it is put there to protect the club not the player
no club likes loosing their best players and if they cant avoid it they might as well rake in the as much as they can
a buy out is a way of saying this is where our negotiations start
im off for now guys
Raddy Gilbert had the chance to join Peterborough before the loan window closed a few weeks about but he wanted double the wages he’s currently on.
Nah Franchise quite the opposite – how does a buy out clause protect the club, I don’t get that?
All it does is make a price that the club HAVE to sell at if they’re offered it
benzema shite? i can’t undrsatand the rumour “real wants benzema ou” he is playing well scoring and creating goals
A clubs don’t just put buy outs for fashion. They calculate what loosing the player means to them and put a tag on it. What do you think buy outs are there for then? They are normally set way way above a players true worth
Franchise in Spain they’re there, and in general, so that a player is able to leave if a club offers the amount, even if the selling club don’t want him to go.
Yeah it’s generally put above his value, because otherwise it would be silly.
I don’t see how it is of any benefit to the club at all though? It makes abosolutely no difference to the club in terms of how much they’ll get if they want to sell him, the only thing it does is mean that clubs don’t have a choice if a club meets the buy out
In Spain every club had to give clubs a buy out clause, but they only happen elsewhere when a player demands it be there in case he wants to leave….
A player is signed for 5 million by club A from club B. B4 the player kicks a ball for his new club they set his buy out at 18million. If the buy out is not set primarily for the club’s benefit then I am indeed a plank
Franchise how does it benefit the club though?! I don’t understand how there is one iota of benefit to the club? If someone then offers for the player, they don’t have to meet the buy out price, literally the only thing it changes is that if the buy out price is met the club HAVE to sell the player.
If the buy out price isn’t met then it makes no difference to anyone, and if the club want to sell the player, they won’t get a penny more money whether they buy out is there or not….
LOL
A buy out clause means that “if x amount is offered, the club have no choice but to accept”
It doesn’t mean that that’s the minimum a club will sell the player for….
It just basically sets a maximum price a club can get for a player, and takes away their option to choose whether to sell or not.
Messi has a buy out set at 225m
Ronaldo’s believed to be 1bn
Good luck to potential suitors
aren’t the buy-outs are usually put there to scare buyers off? thats why players have buy-outs of 50m, 100m, 200m etc… so clubs don’t bother bidding unless they are gonna pay crazy money.
Yeah but Franchise how does that change anything??!!
Noone is going to offer £1bn for Ronaldo, and having the buy out clause makes it no more likely that anyone will offer that much, If someone offered £150m for Ronaldo they’d still probably sell. Just because that’s what the buy out is set at doesn’t mean that clubs wanting to buy him have to pay one penny more than if there was no buy out….
Franchise if the club decides to sell the buying club won’t need to pay 225m.
We don’t have a buyout of Fab at all, that effectively sets his buy out value at infinity.
That means in the scenario we don’t wont to sell Cesc’ll stay here regardless.
A 1bn buy-out just means that they don’t want the clause in there at all.
Arsenal Tom it makes no difference to how much potential suitors have to pay though….
It doesn’t mean a potential suitor has to pay one penny more than if there was no buy out.
It just means that the selling club has no choice over whether to sell if the buyout is met.
Atom A has a habit of over analysing simple straight forward things
Is there any sell out clause similar to these buy out clauses,ie the money which the clubs have to pay other clubs,who buy their players.In that case,we will have to spend a fortune on Diaby and Silvestre.
If a player had a buy out of £20 mil, but was reasonable worth £5 mil, then all it means is that a potential suitor CAN buy him for £20 mil at any time, with the selling club having no choice in the matter, but would more likely pay £10 mil if the club hadn’t put him up for sale, and probably £5 mil if they did want to sell him.
It makes absolutely no difference whether a player has a buy out or not, UNLESS a player improves, or a club doesn’t want to sell for any price, in which case it puts the selling club at a disadvantage.
There’s absolutely no advantage for a selling club to have a buy out
Atom;
Buy outs don’t set the sale value they set the value that if offered takes the club out of the negotiations altogether.
If we wan’t a player from Madrid who Madrid want to sell we won’t need to offer the buy out value. But if they don’t want to sell we can offer the buy-out value and take Madrid’s consent out of the equation.
Whereas had they not had a buy-out there would be no alternative.
It’s a moot point really, if a player wants to leave he will.
A… the buy-out there is for a certain amount of security… the smaller clubs in spain (basically not real/barca) who’s players constantly get linked always quote the buy-out to scare off buyers…
“if you want him they have to meet his buy out clause of 150m”
at which point most people go ‘fuck that’ and go elsewhere, if they have plenty of cash then they’ll keep going and pay 30m + thats ow it protects the sellers by guaranteeing them a good price
hilarious
http://www.7amkickoff.com/2009/arshavin-back-to-the-anfield-vid-and-other-tidbits/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+7amkickoff+%287amkickoff%29
Franchise there is just literally no benefit to a club for a player of theirs to have a buy out clause! Literally nothing!
FA Youth Cup starts tonight for us, keeping a close eye on Afobe and Aneke, they look like potential superstars.
Also, what do people think of Wolech Sczesny?? I think he is probably the best keeper we have, and hes at Brentford LOL.
Hey FranPlank…how yuh doing
Haha Jaguar things haven’t reached that yet. What has Silvestre ever done to harm you?
fran… really?
Balasz Dzuszak(sp) could leave PSV, according to his agent. I wouldn’t mind him playing on one of our wings. Has a hell of a shot and more of a winger than Rosicky or Nasri.
There ain’t no Sanity Clause……..
Atom;
If the same player had no buy-out clause the club could’ve said ‘we’ll sell him for 400m plus Messi.’
At which point Barca would say ‘fuck that’ lets pester Cesc.
Mayank…. “It’s a moot point really, if a player wants to leave he will.”
exactly!! my point is though that setting a 50 or 100m buy-out is the clubs way of saying ‘we arent gonna get fucked over this’ if he’s going then we’re gonna make sure we’ve got plenty of cash to replace him
Silvestre is winning over me these days,with his professionalism,Mayank.Though I can never love that former red scum,who came in on a two year contract,which wasnt offered to someof our other legends.The issue has been discussed to death in LG before.
BR;
There ain’t no Santa Clause either.
Arsenal Tom how does that benefit the club though? I don’t understand how it gets them a good price?? It makes literally no difference to how much a club will offer, they don’t have to offer anywhere near the buy out.
They can just say that, or refuse to accept an offer, it doesn’t benefit them to have it written into a contract, it doesn’t mean when they sell the player that’s how much they’ll get….
It’s there in Spain as legislation to protect the footballer, so that an upper limit is agreed, and if that limit is met the club have absolutely no option but to sell.
It only happens in other instances, as with Michael Owen at Newcastle, if the players want to have a get out clause to leave the club if someone else comes in for the.
lol… ‘lets pester cesc’ too true!
i was trying to say that is does protect the smaller clubs financially, A seemed to be talking like people set these buy-out clauses at 5m for david villa!
Arsenal Tom in Spain when a club gives any player a contract, legally they have to insert a buy out clause, so that if any team meets it, the player is free to leave.
It doesn’t mean that when that club sell the player they will get one penny more than if there was no buy out at all.
No club would offer a penny more whether there was a buy out clause or not, it makes no difference to them.
Literally the only difference it makes is that IF it’s met, the player is free to leave regardless of the wishes or the club.
If the club wish to sell the player, and the player wants to leave, he’ll still go for well under the price set in the buy out clause, it doesn’t mean a club has to offer it for the offer to be accepted
ATom;
Not really in the absence of a buy-out clause they can decide at which price to sell him…
Basically
Buy-out clause = X amount of money to buy a player w/o our blessing
No buy-out clause = Infinite money to do the same.
Therefore for a club
Buy-out < No buy out.
Mayank. Marx Bros Night at the Opera 1935. One of the greatest movies ever made.
Clause 5. The Sanity Clause.
Jaguar 17.03. Brilliant !!!
Considering
X < infinity
But in the case of big players X tends to infinity. For e.g. Ronaldo BOC is !bn.
When did I ever say that AT?! I said they’re well over the value of the player….
They’re designed in Spain so that if a club offers it, a player is free to leave, regardless of whether the club wants him to or not. They’re there for the player’s benefit, and are of literally no benefit to the selling club!
They’re set above the value for fairness – they’re set at a level where it would be deemed that the selling club got a good deal financially, because they would have lost a player against their wishes if it was met.
A… im saying it benefits them because if they have a player worth 20m but have a 80m buy-out clause which they refer to as how they value him.
with that buy-out they’ll get more than the 20m on offer because of the difference between the 20m offer and the buy-out figure.
Traire MIGHT be back for the game against Aston Villa. Hopefully we have CLichy by then.
Exactly Mayank!
X < infitity
All a buy out means is that if a club offers x, then the player is free to leave regardless of the wishes of the club
If there isn't a buy out then a club can offer 2x and the selling club can reject it.
Other than that it makes no difference to anyone, no club is going to offer any more for a player, no club is going to sell a player for any more because of it, below the level of the buy out clause nothing is changed whatsoever from if there was no buy out at all.
the buy-out sets a ball park figure, usually allot higher than the value thats the benefit
BR;
I really find it hard to watch movies of that era. The gap in technology is just too great. Just like it’s a bit hard to listen to Robert Johnson. So pardon my ignorance.
I’ll give it a watch sometime though.
Traore*
Arsenal Tom that isn’t true though, the buy out doesn’t mean a buying club will offer one penny nearer to that value than if there was no buy out clause.
A to be fair we could do this all day mate, i see the benefit to a club financially because as Mayank said if the player wants to go he will, but i think the buy-out helps the selling club do better out of the deal.
if they were there to benefit the player then they wouldn’t be allowed to set them at 200m etc
If a player is worth £20 million, and the buy out is set at £80 million, the selling club will still sell for £30 million say
If there was no buy out and the player is worth £20 million, then the selling club will still sell at £30 million.
It makes literally no difference.
Likewise if a player is worth £20 mil, but the buy out is £80 mil, a buying club will only offer £30 mil max, and if there was no buy out, the club would still only offer £30 million max
What a goal!!!
http://www.101greatgoals.com/videodisplay/4216763/
Huh? Atom I said if a player wants to leave subjectively it makes no difference if there is a BOC or not. But mathematically it does.
So effectively a buy out offers only a hindrance to the club.
Arsenal Tom if it isn’t met, then it makes literally not one iota of difference how much the club will get for the player if he wants to leave! That’s my point, and that’s why there’s no benefit whatsoever to the club!
They are there to benefit the player, that’s why they legally have to be included.
They’re set at £200 mil (for example) because they’re set at a level where noone could deny that they were a good financial deal for the club. If they’re met then the club has to sell, so is losing the player against their will. To balance it out it’s set therefore well above the market value.
A player or his agent is the one who negotiates the value of the buy out clause, and it’s put in the player’s contract, it’s agreed by the player the price that if it’s met the player is free to go, so as long as the player agrees it can be set at a bazillion, it’s just up to the player!
A you forgot to take into account the constant of proportionality ‘$’ otherwise known as the Man City/Real factor.
Look Man theres no use arguing with A. He’s Just stupid and stubborn.
Am I right in thinking that Madrid screwed Barca by meeting the buy out clause of Figo ?
I can see what everyone is saying but can also see A’s point, if my assumption above is correct. As although Barca got a load of money they didn’t want to sell, so got pretty fucked over especially as Figo then went on to do amazing things.
Maybe the buy out clauses went even more astronomical after that.
A… its hypothetical deals and situations so we’ll never get to the end of it mate, either way i dont think we’ll agree, i see it as a benefit and you dont.
it is actually a law in spain to have one?
The Buyout clause is the price a club has to pay to buy a player out of his contract. It is there to make sure that club the player is contracted to has the upper hand in negitiations. It was barca that added the new buyout clause to messi’s contract not messi, to stop Manshity from unsettleing the player.
A as usual is full of shit.
This is irritating, isn’t it obvious the BOC is in there to prevent ‘slavery’(Ronaldo’s version of it).
The fact the Man U didn’t have a BOC made it bonded labour (according to our friends in UEFA).
Therefore Man U benefited by not having a BOC.
95% of clubs loose players against there will regardless of a buy-out. having the buy-out guarantees you a certain amount of cash should the player want to go.
Mr. B read my comment @17.12…
lol Mr B. Cheers
Some people just don’t seem to understand the relevance of buy out clauses!
Unless the buy out clause is met, any transfer is unaffected by whether there is a clause or not, no buying club will offer a penny more or less whether there is a buy out or not, and no selling club will demand a penny more or less.
They’re only there so that IF they’re met, a player is free to leave and the club he’s at can’t do anything about it, but if they aren’t met, noone would even know whether they exist or not.
Basically if a club want to keep a player, and there is no buy out clause a club will say “we’re not selling at any price”
If there is a buy out clause a club will say “you have to meet the buy out clause to get him”
If a club is willing to sell a player, then it is completely irrelevant whether there is a buy out clause or not, the amount of money they get, and the amount that a club will be willing to offer, is the same, totally unaffected
Figo was nothing to do with the buyout clause.
His agent made a pre agreement with Madrid that he’d sign, although he still had a few years on his Barca contract.
Figo forced a move because his agent would have gone to jail. This news came out this past summer and thats what everyone thought happened with CR, though it didn’t.
I’ll go try finding a link
Arsenal tom- every player in spain has abuy out clause I think
Arsenal Tom yeah it is law in spain to have one, every player has to have it in their contract.
Mr B Barca negotiated a new contract with Messi, that’s how the buy out changed, and the only way a buy out value can be changed
Arsenal Tom it doesn’t guarantee you one penny more if the player wants to go….
A, you’re correct regarding buy out clauses.
I’m not sure where the hell those 2 get their info from!
Also, the fact that Barca had to upgrade Messi’s BOC meant that they were disadvantaged by it. Not the other way round.
anyway im off fellas take it easy…
enjoy the buy-out chat!!
I’m off. Be back for the game. I think i’ll do my head in if i have to explain the same thing over again.
Buyout clauses protect Clubs in case the player becomes unsettled or falls out with the coach or anyother reason he wants to leave the club, from other clubs using these things as bargaining chips.
Mayank why did Fiorentiena insert a buyout clause into melos contract when they wanted to sell him. One worth 25mil consequently above wengers valuation.
Now dont avoid the question by telling me he is shite.
Cheers for the back up Pat/Mayank!
One minor correction though. The MAIN purpose they have buyout clauses is if a club’s relationship with a player gets to a bad point and the club wants to part with the player.
In order to break the contract, the player’s club has to pay him the money agreed upon.
Through time, other clubs started using this as a way to break other club’s contracts with their players.
Confusing stuff really, but the gist of it is simple.
Mr B I thought it was because he had a buy out originally that was less, so agreed to sign a new contract which meant that Fiorentina could get more money for him
Mr. B they increased the buy-out, they didn’t add it.
Pat, Spot on!
Off really!
It can go the other way as well. The PLAYER and pay THEIR own club to break the contract.
Usually a different club pays FOR THE PLAYER and said player is released from their current club.
Torres had a buy-out clause around 75 million at Atletico. Did LPool pay that much? No.
Clubs know they cannot keep star talent and have to be reasonable with the price. Who wants an unhappy player?
Exactly A, so who did the buyout clause profit Club or Player. Im sure melo got a piece of the action for signing but in the end it was fiorentina who ended up profiting most.
Anyways, today is the day.
“A cold Wednesday night in Burnley”
Lets prove it to ourselves and everyone in England that we are going for this!
Club A says to Club B, I want player C. Club B says ok you have to buy him out of his contract. Club A says thats too much. Club B says thats the only way u can have him.
Mayank why did they increase it if it didnt do them any good??? If it was supposed to benefit Melo he could have told Juve pay me more or ill Sign an increased buyout clause. Im sure he was alreading in negotiations.
ATom – re your 1558 comment, yes I have!
I know its a bit early.. but lineups anyone?
Of course its the club profiting if its the player that wants to leave. In that case, the player or another club must pay Fiorentina that amount. If its Fiorentina kicking out the player, they have to pay him.
What’s this crap I hear about Franchise being the funniest fecker on LG, utter cobblers, however he does qualify for the ugliest fecker on LG……..Chamon
Im sure all contracts have Buyout clauses of sorts, i.e. the compensation a party has to pay to relieve themselves of contractual obligations.
They are obviously there to protect the party still wanting to go through with the contract. Its not exactly rocket science is it.
Mayank ur still dodgeing the question man, Matrix style.
DDM man Frans Avatar is actualy an early photo on henry, so watch where your going mate.
I think they’ve met Mr.B
Ur saying its there to serve the player is pure and utter AKB bollocks, as in todays market it protects the Club more often then not.
It seems that if enough dumbfucks can agree on something its true.
Well thats not how it works.
In thats case choy, He has more reason to watch where he’s going.
Buy outs r used by clubs as a deterrent if u can’t see this then….
Long contract + ridiculous buy out is the norm
If not why do clubs keep increasing players buy out when they improve their deal if its not of benefit to them?s
It is as simple as abc
I’m meeting Franchise in 15 minutes for beers, I’ll let him know how much you care B!!
Oi Franchise, where r u, you fecker!
Pat mate the club can just let a player runout his contract FFS, Hes not getting 250 mil.
Messi that is he never will. Thats what Manshitty have to pay to make him leave or any amount on which Barca are happy and willing to part company.
and just one thing about the rumour about Cesc playin for that catalonian shit…FFS Cesc grow up youre our Captain…you should really concentrate on Arsenal..the end
8 mins ddm
Funny what interests folk. BOC’s? I am more a T & A man
How is the weather in Blighty?. Not too cold I hope. We don’t do too well on frozen pitches and have propensity to garner an injury or two.
And it plays havoc with sinews, leading to groin and hamstring strains.
If we get away from Burnley with 3 points, no injuries and not too many cards, I will be a very happy man.
Buyout are there to deter players from leaving on terms unfavourable to the owner club.
Im off man, uve got me all woundup. Im going to go relax.
Breath…..Breath…..Breath.
Franchise I took you to be a smart analytical person, I can’t believe you can’t see that BOC’s are negotiated from the players side. As in a player would want it as low as possible and the club as high as possible. An unbelievable high BOC equals no BOC at all.
Buy-out clause = X amount of money to buy a player w/o our blessing
No buy-out clause = Infinite money to do the same.
Therefore for a club
Buy-out < No buy out.
For X < infinity.
Really am off.
Can't believe people are so afraid of being wrong they ignore simple maths.
I doubt Cesc said anything about playing for Catalonia, it was a spanish paper I believe.
They have nothing else to print and they are as always trying to cause trouble.
BR… luckily our best player seems to enjoy the winter
I doubt we will let cesc go. it will have a snowball effect as he will have to let 5 other players go (there is a africa vs barcelona charity match i think) ..
Mr B that’s bollocks, you just don’t understand the situation!
The reason buy out clauses were introduced as law in spain was to look after the interests of the player.
“Buyout are there to deter players from leaving on terms unfavourable to the owner club.”
You have it the wrong way round. If a player wants to leave, and there’s no buy out clause, then he can’t leave for ANY price unless the club let him.
If a player wants to leave and there’s a buy out clause, he can leave for that price, whether the club want to let him or not.
“Club A says to Club B, I want player C. Club B says ok you have to buy him out of his contract. Club A says thats too much. Club B says thats the only way u can have him.”
That’s true. If there’s no buy out clause then Club B just says “he isn’t available for any price”, and that’s the end of that.
Yes mayank is off to hold the world ransom for “100000000000000 Billion Dollars”
HOHOHAHAHOHAOHOAHAOHOAHOAHAHAHA…..hmmm.
FFS man some mothers do have them.
arsenal only require three players in the january transfer window.
carlton cole should be the main man as a replacement for rvp. young, powerful, experienced in prem.
then we should raid bolton and take jusi jaskaleinen (or however u spell it) and gary cahill.
for the jan period cahill will slot in with gallas and vermaelen can take song place for the dm as cover for the acn!
p.s get rid off senderos!
thats it we will be world beaters! check the squad out!
jaskaleinen
fabianski
sagna
eboue
gallas
vermaelen
cahill
djoure
clichy
gibbs
traore
song
denilson
diaby
ramsey
fabregas
merida
nasri
rosicky
walcott
vela
eduardo
arshvin
bendner
c.cole
van persie
Franchise – how are they a deterrent?!?!
No club HAS to pay that amount, or one penny closer to that amount, just because it’s there!
Literally the only purpose of it in Spain is so that clubs can’t say “not for sale at any price”
In England the only time there are buy out clauses in players’ contracts is when the players demand to have them, so that they can move if they want to
A why the fuck do clubs use buyout clauses as bargaining chips then.
Maybe u cannt read but Messi is never going to get 250 million if barca want to terminate his contract and thats well above his value as a player so I dont see how it works for.
An article below to educate u.
http://www.tribalfootball.com/osasuna-warn-man-city-over-buy-out-clause-duo-418371
Mayank,
you are right till you say ..
No buy-out clause = Infinite money to do the same.
which is wrong.
No buy out clause = very little money to unsettle the player even if there is no chance of a transfer
Clubs do not want this so they raise the buy out clause to ridiculous amounts to discourage low-ball offers.
Mr B.
Why are you being so insulting to other LG’ers just because they don’t agree with your point of view.
State your opinion (and that is all it is ….. not a fact as you present it), and leave it at that.
If players ask for Buyout clauses, why doesnt Messi ask for a 1 quid buyout clause and get the rest for himself or just leave for a free when he is able Im sure its better than renewing his contract with a buyout clause of 250mil.
Anyone heard of a Bosman???
Mr B sorry to pick you out…. you were the nearest post. Looks like you are all playing “I’ve got the biggest dick in the playground.”
Just play nice. Many, many people read LG without leaving comments, often because the site can get so personal.
Read this and try to understand.
http://consusgroup.com/previews/249068/
Hey atleast we can still get it up for show and tell.
Tell u what BG is right I quit, since theres no point.
How long left till the game?
The only time players can have their buy-out clauses reduced is when they are a free agent ..
Like chamakh can tell bordaeux that he will only re-sign with them if they have a low buy-out clause ..
In most other circumstances the player has very little say ..
Anyway this is more common in la liga, not sure clubs in england use them a lot
Appologies to anyone ive offended, esp A, Im easy to windup over this stuff.
Ah ok Mr B, if you’re getting your information from tribal football and a website that has nothing to do with football then it would explain your misunderstanding!
Messi wouldn’t ask for £1, because Barca wouldn’t agree to that…. It’s an agreement between the player, and the club.
The Bosman was introduced at a later date, another way that they were trying to transfer power to players rather than it all being with clubs, or is that to benefit the club too?!
Although obviously now it’s gone too far the players’ way
cut out the buy out dudes…
Looks like Dudu is on the wing with Walcott, No place for Nasri. Wonder how Sylvester will do… but at times, he is top class, u dont play for Manu for 10 years if ur crap, do u.
Regarding the Osasuna link you posted Mr B, the difference between having a buy out clause is illustrated there.
“We rely on both players and they can leave the club in January only if will come some club who pay their clauses.”
If there was no buy out clause, that would have ended “not for sale at any price”, or “for silly money”
Because of the buy out clause, there’s a set price, rather than an absolute no
ritesh is the team announced??
Big Raddy, LOL.
I’m just getting irritated by people not understanding basic maths.
I can understand how boring this thread must be getting for people with no interest in the subject. So apologies.
SFOgooner;
You can unsettle a player who has a BOC by doing the same.
It’s a moot point.
If he just defends, he’s ok.. don’t want him doing anything fancy.
Yeah mayank, it’s very frustrating, because it even like it’s a matter of opinion, or that complicated – it’s simple, and factual! We must just be really crap at explaining it!
Actually when he played for Man U me and a Manc friend both agreed that he’s the Man U defender most prone to major fuck-ups.
I think they’re a part of his game.
Anyone have a stat on his OG?
Anyways, I give up, done with that.
ritesh is that definitely the team? That’s what I expected but can’t find it anywhere?
There really is competition for places in the U18s this year, I’m a massive fan of Ozyakup, but Aneke has taken his place in the team.
Mayank,
I meant less likely. if somebody says something costs $1, it is unlikely somebody will bid 10c. if you don’t put a price, then it is possible somebody will bid 10c.
Wonder what Mick Mcarthy would have done with these fixtures
http://www.blog.woolwicharsenal.co.uk/
LOL A
Buyout clauses are mutual agreements between the player and club.
The club does have to pay a player that much if they want to break his contract. Of course they don’t have to pay it if the player breaches a policy on the contract(drugs, alcohol, prison, etc.)
Usually its the player, or other clubs, that pay the buyout clause to leave.
More often than not, a club sells well below the buyout clause cause no one wants an unhappy player!
The Osasuna boss says they have to buy out his contract because they’re not open for negotiation. These aren’t astronomical figures though so a club like City may actually pay the full price.
Clubs stand to lose players on a free(or cheap) if they refuse to negotiate and their contract winds down.
Why is it then that the more important the player is the more ridiculous his BOC
Jeez u guys
Quick everyone, Franchise is at the bar
Silvestre is a fuck up at CB, not at LB.
Carragher has the most OGs in the premier league probably, yet Terry and Ferdinand will never reach the level that Carragher played at.
A. Have you ever seen them play?
I read a lot about our u-18′s, but it is all second hand info from the net. And I don’t trust that !
Because they have to have them Franchise…
Don’t you understand in the absence of one the buy out value effectively be infinite. For more important players the BOC tends nearer to infinity.
I swore i wouldn’t post on this topic again.
How the fuck is a £250m buyout clause for Messi protecting the interest of the player, if someone coughs up £250m that goes to the club not the player……
Yeah but Carragher’s OG have more to do with him putting himself in a dangerous position than him fucking up.
Yeah a bit Raddy, though not been to a game this year, only seen highlights on atvo, wish the game today was on atvo live
Oh dear Pat. Once again I must respectfully disagree.
Are you seriously suggesting that Carragher is (or has been) a better player than Ferdinand & Terry ?
Carragher is a decent EPL CB. Nothing more, another Martin Keown.
Ferdinand and particularly Terry are World Class. Terry was voted best defender in the World THREE times, most recently in 2009 !
terry’s a cunt
DDM,
Because unlike CR7 for Man U who wasn’t for sale at any price w/o Man U’s consent Messi can change his club w/o Barca’s consent, the money paid would be compensation.
A;
I’ve been meaning to ask this about Fabianksi, you and a few here really rate Fabianksi. I just want to know on what basis. I mean have you seen the reserve games?
line-up announced yet??
not many streams tonight, hopefully we’ll be able to find a good one
DDM it only benefits the player.
If someone wanted to buy Messi and there was no buy out clause, then Barca would say “he’s not for sale at any price”
But because in Spain they HAVE to have a set price, they have to say “he’s only for sale at £250 million”
The only time someone would actually pay £250 million is if Barca weren’t prepared to sell him at any price.
However if Barca were willing to sell him, then the fact that there is a £250 million buy out clause would have no impact on how much someone would offer, or what they’d accept.
That’s me done regarding that issue!
Anyone have the official team??
Mayank ur infinity thing don’t rub. Market forces drive the market.
A buy out is a price tag
has the game started yet?? any links??
Yeah Mayank most reserve games, and he has made 23 appearances for the first team too, so he’s played a fair bit, enough to get a good guage of him imo.
Franchise it isn’t a price tag in the slightest. The price is how much the buying and selling club value the player at, which is totally unaffected by the buy out.
The buy out is an escape clause for the player
No Drogba for Chelsea? Is he injured??
drogba out for a month A
Arsenal: Almunia, Diaby, Sagna, Fabregas, Vermaelen, Nasri, Gallas, Walcott, Song, Silvestre, Arshavin.
Subs: Eduardo, Vela, Ramsey, Wilshere, Fabianski, Eboue, Thomas.
That is where you’re wrong Franchise.
Before contract negotiations start a player would want a low buy out as it benefits him and the club a high one.
1bn isn’t Ronaldo’s market value, it’s Reals attempt to nullify the clause itself by putting the value as near infinity as possible. In compensation Ronaldo gets high Wages.
The players price tag and his value have nothing to do with each other. Although while negotiating a contract for a player bought for 5m the agent won’t allow a buy out of 50m.
Cheers Gooby
When did that happen?! Am I just being senile not knowing this?!
Arshvin in liverpool. Funny video and check out Ebou smile.
Line-up:
Almunia
Sagna Gallas Vermaelen Silvestre
Song
Fabregas Nasri
Walcott Arshavin Diaby
Arsenal; Almunia, Diaby, Sagna, Fabregas, Vermaelen, Nasri, Gallas, Walcott, Song, Silvestre, Arshavin.
Subs: Eduardo, Vela, Ramsey, Wilshere, Fabianski, Eboue, Thomas.
I thought he was just out for this game
Hi Raddy
I think Terry is very good but slightly overated, Best in tha world? 3 times? Who voted?
Seems like a good line up…
Drogba out for a month? Could it be a stunt to stop him from going to ACN?
Cheers Alex, though Diaby and Nasri other way round I’m sure. I thought Nasri would get a rest today for Eduardo but other than that pretty predictable
Arsenal: Almunia, Diaby, Sagna, Fabregas, Vermaelen, Nasri, Gallas, Walcott, Song, Silvestre, Arshavin. Subs: Eduardo, Vela, Ramsey, Wilshere, Fabianski, Eboue, Thomas.
Diaby is probably CM and Nasri on the wing
Looks at the line up, boss is not taking it light. I worried that he will become over confident and screw up again.
they say he might be out for pompey’s but some other sources i read were saying it could be up to a month, finger crossed
Alex is that the actual team or just a guess??
I went to the arsenal shop today to buy my son a shirt. When I got there they had a small sign 10% off today only for memebers. They wouldn’t give me the discount because I didn’t have my card. I went home an realised I’d left my bank card behaind and had to go back. £18 extra for Song and 17.
He must be real dim for him to take Burnley lightly. They’ve done almost as good as us at home.
Pompey make 7 changes against the Chavs following Wolves last night.
This is a very dangerous precedent and the EPL need to step in now.
Sylvestre will probably pick up a knock. Tom Cruise is sabotaging them so his nephew can get a game
subs:eduardo,ramsey,vela,wilshere,fabianski,eboue thomas
y are pompey resting 7 players in a elagation battle?
Ill be back
Sorry A, was looking for a stream..Anyone please?
Team is Diaby in for Denilson and Sylvester for Traore.
evening Grovers
try this:
http://watchgooners.com/index.php
That’s ridiculous Raddy, really favours the top 2 esp at home. I wouldn’t even like it being done against us.
Takes the satisfaction of the win away and I think if it becomes a trend it might lower the gates we make.
It’s a joke Raddy. Why do Wolves beat the spuds but think they can’t even get a draw at the mancs? Burnley will probably beat them anyway.It’s not as if it’s a meaningless game. they don’t deserve any awy support. I hope they get relegated
Wilshere & JET on the bench…..surprise there. If things go well, hope to see them come on.
Age GM?? Happens to me all the time !
Terry was voted for by players and managers across the world. Not like Giggs winning SPotY because of MU internet votes.
http://watchgoonersdotcom/index.php
sorry, can’t post a proper link
It helps thier goal difference too.
you have to replace ‘dot’ with ‘.’
Obviously Merida has no intention of signing a contract. Good for him.
Yep, one site announces Dudu in place of Nasri earlier. Dudu on the bench, seems we may be playing 4 4 2
Good to see Diaby back in the team aswell, I think he will add something way more than Denilson in there.
Why do you say that Paulinho?!
Burnley playing their first team……Wolves play reserves, Pompey play reserves……I smell something fishy….and its not pussy.
JET ON THE BENCH!
Substitutes
* 21 Fabianski,
* 27 Eboue,
* 16 Ramsey,
* 19 Wilshere,
* 38 Thomas,
* 09 Eduardo,
* 12 Vela
ritesh we’re just playing exactly the same system as we have all season, diaby and cesc with song in the midfield three, nasri and theo wide and arshavin central
Gm.. coz spurs are shite!
Decent team
Sion what pussys you been sniffing mate?
Sion.. I would rather play denilson than diaby, but there’s not a lot between them!
Not sure theo’s last two performances merit another start. Apparently pace without end product is over-rated.
A – don’t have to be Mr. Sherlock to figure it out. Wenger always uses every reason in the book to exclude him from league matchday squads and in general he has a policy of ‘shunning’ players that are not gonna be there for the long haul. He said as much recently.
Mark my words, he won’t be signing a new contract.
Choy I thought that but so are the mancs
Denilson is injured choy
huh Paulinho?! It’s a choice between Wilshere and Merida when there’s a space there, and they’ve rotated and both been there as much as each other….
And Wenger said that Merida had verbally agreed to the terms of the contract, just needs to put pen to paper.
Portsmouth: Begovic, Finnan, Ben-Haim, Wilson, Hreidarsson, Mokoena, Mullins, O’Hara, Diop, Boateng, Piquionne
That is not a bad portsmouth lineup
Spurs and Man City will be a big fat draw… I saw it in the fires.
We will not play 442 again under Wenger. Its a rubbish formation.
http://www.justin.tv/colonia202
Only one I found
Yep, I just meant that there is not a lot between them!
Hopefully we won’t miss Denilson, but Diaby won’t be anywhere near as good.
What is with these teams playing their reserves against the chavs and the mancs?
Is the FA going to look into this?
http://www.veetle.com/viewChannel.php?cid=48f7e9d6ee7f9#
this stream is excellent at the moment spanish commentary. You have to install veetle. as I type it’s deteriorating sorry
Hope Nasri and Walcott do their jobs tonight… They let the team down last time, they have to go behind those defenders to give Arshavin service and remove steam off the midfield.
Denilson has been pretty average IMO, and I like Denilson, but he doesn’t seem to be having any sort of impact no matter how big or small, just seems like a passenger, too lightweight, and keeps giving the ball away. Diaby has been offering us greater elements this season, and we have played well with him in the side, even when he has been making mistakes (Diaby has had quite a few poor moments this season, but he has also been very good)
actually it’s great quality
Mike Fucking Dean is refereeing.
Just wait and see MnM. Diaby will be a good player for us today
I fucking hate rooney. pikey cunt.
lennon will destroy sylvinho
A, JET is on the bench instead of Merida.
How can you say “Denilson is aberage” and “I like Denilson” in the same post?
He has been one of our best players over the last two years.
Denilson has only been in the team full time for a year. And at that he was shite.
Paulinho that’s because he can play defensively, he’s there to be a sub left back, or centre back.
goonermichael,is that site paying.. I had a bad experience with another link last month.
David, you are very very wrong. Its not even an opinion. You are factually wrong.
Actually, calling a player shit is an opinion. If i think Ronaldo is shit, that’s my opinion.
hi guys,
anyone got a decent link
I do like Denilson, but that doesn’t mean I haven’t noticed that hes been average recently. When he first came, he looked like he could’ve been a monster, but his game seems to have been diluted since then, he is a smart player, and keeps the game ticking over, but when he doesn’t do that, he becomes a liability, misplacing passes, getting bullied by stronger midfielders too easily, he lacks power big time, especially for the kind of player he is supposed to be.
Diaby, on the other hand, is exceptionally talented and has the potential to be a great player for us, and he is very powerful, but he just doesn’t seem to switch on sometimes, and lets himself and the team down at crucial moments, and it infuriates me as much as it does all you other fans who think he is shit lol (I completely disagree with that notion).
But you are incorrect, factually incorrect. Ronaldo is not sh*t – fact.
apparently merida is serving his ban.He got sent off for reserves a few weeks back right?
Diaby isn’t really that talented though is he? He can twist and turn a bit, but his first tough and general skill is not up there with players who also play the attacking midfield role at Arsenal.
He has strength and a great ability to get around the pitch, but he cannot play the same position as Denilson, his intelligence is sorely lacking.
nah he played against shitty, I think its him not signing the contract!
WE LOOK LIKE TOTTENHAM OUT THERE IN WHITE!
links???
Any streams?
Diaby is talented, I think the injury took a lot out of him, very skillful, but he lacks intelligence.
Oh yeah nisanth – he’s banned, otherwise i’d expect him to be there ahead of wilshere.
MnM Diaby is incredibly physically talented, he just can’t harness his talent.
I think he does have some talent, but its blown way out of proportion.
And lets not blame his injury. He’s been back long enough.
Penalty……Surely Cunts
links please
Should’ve had a pen after 30 seconds!
Channel 74719 on sopcast is working fine.
http://www.tvoo.net/ch1.html
Where’s everyone watching it?
That is why we need tall defenders ffs.
I know it was Vermaelens Header, but why is Almunia not commanding his fucking box
Almunia did save that which is good, but his command of the area is so poor, why is he so timid?
CESKY I LOVE YOU!!! GOOOOOOOL!!!
yes
FACKING YESSSSSS!!!
GET INN!!!!!!!!
Fuck That!!
GET IN
CESCCCCCCCCC!!!!! yesssssssssssss fukkkkk yesssss
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
CESCY BABY
Suicidal defending!
Just started watching and saw the goal. Whats this talk about a penalty?
someone describe the goal please!
yeahh
CESC JUST MISSED ANOTHER ONE!!! HE KILLED THE ENTIRE BACK 4 BY HIMSELF.
http://p2p4u.net/watch-live-sports.php?id=10063&link=2
Cesc kicked it and it went in the net choy
OOOOOOHHHHHHH
Cesc nearly a 2nd, Burnley’s defending is fucking shocking
sorry
Shit. We have to take these chances. Their defense is really, really slow
thank you very much gm
http://www.tvoo.net/ch1.html
should be 3 up
Nasri through on goal
Fuck there are goals for the taking here. Come on Arsenal, lets kill em early
ooh nasri poor touch, yes shud be 3 up !
LOL
“Diaby……certainly got more energy and presence than the player who he is replacing today……..Denilson…..” – Martin Tyler
Cheeky lol.
Diaby solid so far … He’s dfntly better now that Denilson is a thread
Silly Silvestre
Sylvestre just got skinned
threat*
Silvestre is so slow.
Fucking Almunia….tut-tut-tut, hes not at the races lately.
wtf almunia!!
silvestre …sloow … traore should go there next time
Almunia nowhere…
Almunia FFS
Almunia needs to be dropped, ffs a decent header then and an easy equaliser,
He is a fucking liability
post should be 4
arsh hits the postt!! so unlucky we’re brilliant going forward tonite
Walcott is missing in action right now lol.
Hit the post
Shit, we should be 4 up
ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo my god
cooooome on man .. fucking post
didnt even realise Theo was playing
okay … we really need to take this fockin chances … fuck
Even Sagna has a go!
We need that 2nd though. Take your chances lads!
got a feeling theo will score tonite
LOL
Alex….he had better get himself into the game somehow to do it lol.
Diaby started well though, I’m pleased with that. Wilshere 4 Walcott @ HT.
they are playing with purpose tonight…even if the goals are not there, there is a desire to go for the killer
They keep attacking down Silvestre’s side.
this is the first time in the season that we scored in the first 15 mins.
Thats because he is as slow as a tug boat David
Pitch and atmosphere are look like a some collage soccer match.
chavs have scored
Chavski 1-0 up
fuck we need another asap!
They’re growing in confidence
Ngog scores as well
Almunia looking timid every time the ball comes near him, at least he’s keeping them out though…..but for how long.
Pool also 1 up
Song is having a mare.
Song keeps looking for the killer ball and keeps giving away cheap possesion
fuck
noooooooooooooo fukkkkkk
Walcott looking timid out there aswell. Fabregas looking fired up, certain others too, but a few are looking nervous.
penalty…..bikey was free there, vermaelen poor tackle lol
def a pen
Penalty bollocks
fuck this shit. We never take our chances!
almunia wont save this
fuck me
Tv5 WTF! man
1-1
Dive?
Bring back Sczesny!!
we should still win this
Silvestre is so shite.
fack…
Should have ben 1-4… but we ar´nt that smart as a team..
Poor Poor defending,
Thats what happens when you dont take your chances.
This game should be put to bed by now, but we have cheaply let them back into it.
Awesome. Missed chances, story of the season thus far. We stopped soon after we scored.
Burnley are dominating play and getting behind our fullbacks
arsh fukk shuda scord typical once again we didnt take our chances and they’re back in the game
Gallas and Vermaelen too erratic.
Arshavin learn to chip!
Is Theo actually playing or is he a ball boy?
ffs stream went down and Burnley win a pen!
Fabregas looking good, hes fired up, needs to rally the team like a proper capo. Silvestre is playing poorly, keeps getting lost.
Almunia needs to get composed now.
Silvestre you cunt
Walcott is missing out there, what is he doing?
Wilshere 4 Walcott at HT.
Silvestre looks lost at LB for once. Not good.
Come one ARsenal!!
dont you mean composted Simon?
Was that burnleys 1st shot on target by any chance?
apart from these 3 chances it’s not looking good…
stupid challenge from TV – totally unnecessary, but it’s probably down to lack of trust in GK…
I miss Clichy
Gibbs would’ve sufficed today too. Even Traore, hes much quicker.
Song been a bit shaky too.
Diaby, Fabregas and Nasri are doing the business out there.
we’re just wasting chances we can’t afford to waste. We need to be leathal to silence that crowd. Punish these minnows. Burnley who?
Vermaelen should have just tried to block it, would have been better. Almunia, I don’t know if he would have saved Bikey’s shot.
I think I would rather Eboue on the right at the moment, the way Theo is playing
The wingers are not doing enough to remove the rpessure from the midfield…Nasri…(forget Walcott)…was not provoking enough after the first goal and it put pressure on the team…we have to play and go for the killer
FUCK OFF ALMUNIA – FUUUCKKK OFFFF
where the fuck was almunia
Pat I would rather have Almunia on the right than Walcott
Eboue I like on the right, he beats people, makes good runs, his final ball is getting better too. Wouldn’t mind seeing him either.
Ha Ha Ooby
we need to keep the ball we’re technically better keep the ball out pass them and take our chances gawd we can’t afford to draw or lose to the likes of burnley we’re not the mancs for God’s sake
any good streams?? veetle kept disrupted…how we doing??
Is this burnley opening Arsenal up like this?
Any links please guys?
Izham,
This one is working great.
http://www.tvoo.net/ch1.html
Eagles you fucking diving cunt…
WSong playing poorly. Diaby , not fantastic either
Eagles is an ex-manc
i think walcott is a waste on the wings let him be a back up striker he might as well get us fk and pk centrally this kis will always be a striker not a winger cos he can’t beat his man out wide
Fab injured
oh fukk cesc limping!! noooooooooo
Theo is fucking useless
Shitvestre U piece of shit. How Wenger could even think of offering you a new contract is beyond me.
Walcott is ‘exceptionally’ anonymous as usual.
FFS, another one injured.
I guess that takes care of the playing for Catalonia bollocks
Shit, our best fucking player gone off. Great.
Rambo is not bad.
fabregas is injured fuuuuuuck well at least we got ramsey thank gawd
we are so poor it’s unbelievable…
jeesss maybe Wegner should get his bollicking in BEFORE the game…rubbish again…ZERO PASSION..trying to stroll to a win!
I pray that is not serious, we could be looking at Wenger picking all the love children in midfield. Song, Denilson and Diaby…….God Help Us
And that was the end of our title campagne
Fuck, those 4 chances were such a great start. Great teams kill the game off with those chances. Now we lose Cesc
no cesc,
Did some1 replace Fab4?
anyone see what injury it could have been??
Diaby doing ok.
Is Theo just standing watching Arshavin all the time?
HT
Theo off, Eduardo on and play through the middle.
Not good enough Arsenal
swed are you serious? give it a rest
How is the savior Diaby playing?
This is a big test for Ramsey.
Want to see either Wilshere or Eboue on for Walcott, coz hes just not in the game at ALL. I’d even bring on Eboue or JET for Silvestre lol.
I agree Ooby….just looking at him …nasri too needs to step up!
Now the Season is almost at half time will soneone go berserk at Wenger…..
Just got a link. Jeez, just like Anfield. Is this becoming a trait at away games…look like shit.
Hopefully they get another dusting down by le Boss.
Fuck. Cesc was playing like a fucking legend aswell. Hope it’s not too serious
Omfg. Drawing with a fuking shit team!
Diaby has been pretty ok, few misplaced passes, but other than that, been sharp in the tackle, kept the energy up using his power, and passing quickly and more accurately than usual, despite the aforementioned dud passes.
patthegooner Says:
December 16, 2009 at 20:31
I pray that is not serious, we could be looking at Wenger picking all the love children in midfield. Song, Denilson and Diaby…….God Help Us
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Spot On. They must know where Wenger buried all the bodies and they told Sylvestre….
fuck our luck.
Injuries never give us a fucking break.
When was the last time United had Rooney/CR injured of CHelsea had Drogba/Lampard injured?
What the fuck is wrong with our players. We were doing so well at the start of the game. SHould have been 0-4.
Was the pen appeal in the 1st minute stonewall?
Theo did not play a single good ball today…
Diaby looks OK, would not mind if he played like this week in week out
again, the curse of the Spud kit strikes – Burnley are tearing us a new one….
fucking hell,
1-1 and cesc off,
looking not good
Has anyone got a decent link as mine keeps freezing?
@ Honest Bill, guess who pulled out of a 50-50 that led to the counter-attack for the equaliser, Bloody Cesc. World Cup is not here yet Cesc needs to fix up
What happened to Cesc?
weird half that.
The game should be dead and burried, but we have wasted chances, and Burnley have grown in confidence as the half went on.
Almunia, Silvestre, Song and especially Theo have been poor.
Cesc was the best player on the park till the injury. If that is serious then you can kiss our season goodbye. One thing losing Song in Jan, but throw in Cesc as well and it is a big big problem, and one that Wenger would try and fix with Diaby and Denilson!!!!!!
Need to get it together in the 2nd half as this game is there for the winning and the losing dependant on which Arsenal turn up for the 2nd half.
Theo has to come off. Get Eduardo on.
why are these guys so inconsistent someone needs to grow a pair change this game for us i hope wenger continues with the bollocking these players need it. Wenger needs to be ruthless
Don’t worry lads. We look much better than them, we will win it i’m very confident. They’re lucky not to be several goals down.
Spurs scored too
i was v angry at HT the other day against the pool, im gonna leave my rant till full time and see if its changed again..
Fuckin spuds just scored as well
by the look of things, we are going to lose this…
and fucking Supds just scored…
Fabregas was excellent that first half, one of his best displays in a while. He looks impervious. But as is the way, he got injured.
Diaby has actually been good though, Song not so much.
HB,
are you serious? they have less misplaced passes, look more disciplined and have something that resembles a game plan
SPurs have scored. Kranjcar.
I’d play Eduardo wide, he’s pretty good at connecting play
Negative bunch of whingers shut up for fucks sake
Honest Bill
I read ur post and feel good…Cmon u gunners!!!!! We will win this one……………….. 3-1 to arsenal
Shame about Fab, we should still be able to do them if we get our act together. Once they tire a bit we’ll have the upper hand. Someone has to step up though.
SUGA3. Not at all. for all their hopeful passes they haven’t had more than one decent chance. We look like scoring a number of times. I’m tipping Arshavin to get one
We will win this 3-1.
Weather the expected early 10 minute storm in the second half and in the end class will tell.
I’d consider going 4-4-2 this half.
Almunia
Sagna Gallas TV Silvestre
Nasri Song Ramsey Diaby
Walcott Arshavin
Wenger just needs to sort it out at HT, he should make some changes though, Theo is pissing me off, we all know hes better than this, hes being a passenger. We should put Wilshere or Eboue on the right hand side. Or bring on Eduardo, he’s due some goals.
I think Wally will probably move centrally too
We are playing with 10 men. Vermalean having to do too much work to cover up for Shitvestre.
shite….Analyse that….awful
I did warn you all about Burnley…I still expect us to win though
Wrighty you have always been an optimist mate. I hope you’re right.
That’s not exactly fair. Bar one hairy moment Silvestre hasn’t done too much wrong
Did anyone see what happened to Cesc? Is it an impact injury? Was he holding any body part? Did he get treatment or go straight off?
SUGA, tearing us a new one?
No, tearing a new one was us in the first 20 minutes. Don’t know why we stopped playing then.
Wrighty,
Walcott is absolutely pants today – I defended him here last night and today I have a massive stinking egg on my face…
I would agree with that Bill
If theo stays on, then put him in the middle where he might do some damage. Same as Liverpool at half time.
Fab didn’t look like he was in too much pain though. That’s my biggest concern. With him on the pitch we would have walked this BTW.
He walked off Zorr0 and didn’t look in too much pain
Is this a ‘who can write the most cretinous comment’ competition?
no Pat, we were not – 3 chances and that was it: again, no fucking passion, someone needs to get in there and fucking slap them around, seems like they have short memory…
Pathetic. Eweyone is blaming Silvestre when it was a horrific chalange from TV that led to 1-1…
Are you kidding? Why do you think Burnley have had so much success down our left flank?
They’ve had no success anywhere except for the Pen. Which was in fairness quite a rash challenge to make
the team is Ok overall but some players are letting us down…as usual the same…Nasri, Walcott….Sylvester is bad, but hes our 4th choice so its not a surprise..
Its too easy to ask for replacements…these players are well trated, they are not exploited by the club, so step up…and do your job
Sion did you say we all know Walcott is better than this? I dont
From what I’ve seen Walcott isn’t having the best of game; and that’s being generous!
I’d consider putting him upfront to get him more involved and to run at the defence because we need some drive.
Cesc had a minor thigh problem before the game. Apparently it’s just a precaution.
Right come on Arsenal.
Stop fucking about and lets make a statement in this half.
Time to get ourselves on a winning run and back into this title race.
Theo to have a blinder playing through the middle
theyve got in behind silvestre and hes doing what all our full backs seem to do and not close down the crosser….
Burnley have had a lot of success down the left. Silvestre looks lost at LB, for once. He’s usually very solid there.
In fairness to Theo he’s just been isolated out on the right. He hasn’t done much wrong, just hasn’t had much of the ball.
Problem with Arsenal fans is that their not “honest” enough with themselves.
Theyve had no success yet we’ve been put under all kinds of pressure.
Tell you what…Second half had better be different.
cesc had a minor thigh problem before the game. Apparently they took him off as a precaution.
I wish we took those chances so we could have been relaxed by now. Nasri’s chance especially!
ramsey its your chance now
pathetic kick by Almunia – again…
Maybe if we persist we the 4-3-3 then we should inter-change more.
Swap the front 3 about more often and give Burnley more to think about.
Perhaps Walcott will get more joy down the middle or on the left.
Sick of those Nasri tricks. He is loosing ball every time he does that.
good shout Wrighty
Piquionne scores for Pompey!! cum on arsenall!!!
they seem to be closing us down, which we just don’t do – here’s a tip: run towards the pass, ffs…
wow, Theo is fucking awful. Case closed, whoever I was arguing with yesterday.
i can dribble better than walcott
Gallas WTF are you doing.
Cheers Pat The Gooner
No one to takr responsibility now that cesc is gone. Arshavin and Nasri have to do more
We should have played with Ebou. At least he gives some steel.
portsmouth just levelled…cmon Arsenallllllllllllllllllllllll
Fookin hell. I JUST FELT AN EARTHQUAKE!
Chavski will still win that
almunia needs to go i’m tired
bring on eddie or vela at 60??
i think we should take walcott off and put a footballer on
aLMUNIA LOL YOU AREN’T FUNNY ANYMORE WENGER! Sorry bout da caps
ALMUNIA!!!!!!!!!
Not his fault though, an awful back pass from Gallas
Some needs to be a leader out there. We are playing with little shape
i am fed up of walcott out there on the right
theo FFs!
Theo is not a footballer. Sell him asap. He’ll never come good
Are we losing?
cmmon arsenal,time to show character
1-1 Maciek,
We have a fair bit of possession but they are in our faces.
No Maciek We will win
fuck me, we look like a mid table team…
Here’s hoping that if score remains 1-1 Le Boss will make changes sooner rather than later.
ALmunia….dear-oh-dear.
It might be better for Theo that he is taken off
Is Aluminia gone mad. Why he s kicking them out.
alumunia is over
FUCK ALMUNIA FUCK ME SIDEWAYS
goonermichael,
no, we won’t – unless AA will save our asses again that is…
almunia, walcott…fuck off
Almunia’s kicking has been terrible
fuck off back to F1 walcott
What the fuck is wrong with Almunia, he keeps on kicking the ball out of play.
Theo, fuck off you cunt. Worst winger in the fucking country!!
Theo Theo Theo
Jesus he is having a fucking mare
theo wtf!
Seems like we haven’t had a shot in the second half ..
Walcott……….hmmmm lol.
Burnley was always going to begin the second half like this; getting in our faces.
They can’t keep it up for the whole match, be patient. Our time in this game will come.
WHAT THE FUCK WALCOOTTT!
i think a 3 year loan spell to league three side may help walcott
why float the ball in? whip it in. we lack players who can cross
you fucking wanker walcott. fuck off to a league 1 team
Walcott off, Eduardo on…now please
Walcott…. give up man… give up. Quit football.. stick to track and field.
weak link walcott
He is just soo short of confidence. He needs some time in the reserves to get his shit together
walcott is soooooo bad it’s almost funny.
Walcott, go die, seriously. I fucking hate you more than any rival player.
You’re not welcome at Arsenal you useless cunt
And again, Get him off please
fuck off Theo…
jeez, I would have kept it lower, ffs…
Walcott is a JOKE
Walcottt. NO world cup for u
prove me wrong son
Theo your not Arsenal, England or Premiership quality, you like a Vauxhall nova with a jet engine, fast as fuck but utterly utterly pointless
Come on Nasri, you’ve been anonymous long enough, make us notice you.
We just will struggle without decent wide players…keeps our play too central and too predictable. Crab football again
dear oh dear…
fuck, that was lucky…
theo you are all hype fuck all sustance 60k a week for your shit performances week in week out you are turning into eboue.
disgrace
think almunia saved that
fuckin hell even their widemen are running at us…
Im getting so fekkin tired of seeing this clown in goal.
That was close. Come on lads, get your shit together. Theo off, please!
Awful amateurish play from Silvestre and Eagles hits the post.
holy shit very lucky there!
So Big Al cannot shout. Sylvestre and Nasri are awful
Eduardo for Theo. Apt.
Wilshere on next please.
Theo- 60k of rubbish per week
Bout time
thank fuck for that now don’t come back you dickhead
just not good enough tonight theo.
silvestre,walcott a disgrace for arsenal
get eddy/vela on!
AW a bit sick of Theo methinks…he was getting eyes earlier
Diaby playing well
Dudu on for Theo, about fucking time too…
Thank god, Get off Theo and have a think about your performance tonight. It is simply not good enough.
Go back to the junior team Theo.
C’mon people, I know Theo is having a mare but he does play for Arsenal.
Some of these comments are unreal!
Yes, it is frustrating but I see a new scapegoat being made here!
Come one guys!!!!!!!
we are hanging on…just. This is a bit scary actually
10 men behind the ball and counter attack. This is not good.
Yes unfortunately he does Wrighty
We do not deserve to win the league.
another close shave
Cmon Dudu…………. time for a quick brace!!!
Its not theos fault, hes just been poor tonight. really poor though.
No leadership on the pitch.
Wrighty,
no, not a scapegoat, I love the fella, but that is just fucking ridiculous – 60K a week and not a single good piece of play against Burnley?
AW should make an example of him and dump him to reserves…
If we won the league it would be injustice to football.
Wright7…he ought to go into the reserves for a few games and get his confidence back. He needs to score, and he’ll do that easily there. He ain’t gonna do it now with his form…
In the first team that is…
Not scapegoating him Wrighty.
I am all for getting Theo to play up front. But his performance tonight was very poor and the early substitution showed that.
Wenger looks PISSED lol.
Is Almunia THAT bad and was Theo even worse?
Need a strong last 20 mins here.
FFS it is Burnley not fucking Barcelona
wrighty, that’s fine.
Let him have “a mare” in the reserves then. We can’t afford to lose anymore points, we need to win tonight. Playing persistant underachievers such as walcott is not going to help.
the wingers are not up for it…yet again…
Before, we were firing on all cylinders as Bendtner, Eboue, Dudu and Shava were doing the job.
Nasri and Walcott are not in that class…
Sion, that makes really poor for 2 games. Thats unacceptable when youve been as poor has he has been. I like Theo, but he’s got issues right now and should nt have a first 11 place…
useless useless keeper
JESUS. ALMUNIA OOOOOOOOHHH MYYYYYYY GOOOOODDDD!!!
AALMUNIA OOHHH MYYYY GOOODDD!!!
How lucky is Almunia? Offside flag saves him again
“Its not Theos fault”… priceless
we were so lucky. That was onside.
ALMUNIA…. If Wenger doesn’t get rid of this clown.. he has lost his mind.
Almunia. How did you miss that anyhow. You really are pretty lame right now…
Can Almunia get any worse?
fuck u almunia
what the fuck was that Almunia?
there goes Arsene’s trust…
Almunia you lucky cunt
you just got the biggest get out of jail free card ever
How can we draw against burnley, when you will win the title you must win games when you’re back for the title. Now we were back but draw against this fuckerss. So the title will not go to us!!!!!!!! We can’t win the title right now!! WE MUST BUY!!! YOU FOOL WENGER!!!
ALMUNIA FFS
Theo has always been shit. Its not scapegoating.
WHY THE FUCK DON’T WE TAKE OUR EARLY CHANCES!!!!
Lets get a fucking goal lads!
I can understand everyones frustrations about Theo.
He simply hasn’t delivered tonight but my main concern isn’t Theo Walcott at the moment.
Its the whole team.
At the moment Burnlet want this game a great deal more than us.
How does a goalkeeper miss that.
lucky again!
Sometimes i wonder if Almunia is having a laugh.
Cos we won at anfield the players think they are the dogs bollox typical arsenal display too many billy big bollocks in the team!!
Vela or Wilshire on please
i think alumunia must have been paying wenger to play him,there is no other way he can play in this team
chelsea 1 pompey 1
“my main concern isn’t Theo Walcott at the moment.Its the whole team.” – Wrighty7
Agreed 100%.
spuds 2 up
Wrighty to some degree I agree. This is first half Pool, no cohesion, no confidence, no belief. Being outplayed comprehensively by a team where perhaps two of out top players salary equte to their whole team!
it’s fucking comical…
we have not had a shot on target the entire seconf half .. leave alone score ..
Outplayed by Burnley… Priceless
Alu is really thick
shut your fucking gob, you fucking peroxided poof…
sagna is a bloody warior
I just saw that off side goal again. How on earth does an Arsenal keeper miss that one?
Great Sagna tell that f..ing twat to talk and come out!
Just cant see where an Arsenal goal is coming from
We brought this upon ourselves. Game should be over in 20 minutes.
Maybe that’s better. If we win, Wenger will start his bull***t once again, about desire, togetherness, etc. But everyone aside from him can see that Almunia is crap, that we do need a quality cd, quality cdm and a winger and probably a striker. I can bet that we do have about 40 m to spend in January but knowing Wenger he won’t spend a single penny. But hey, on Saturday You will hear the same One Arsene Wenger chant.
Chelsea just scored
best we can hope is draw ..
stonroy- how on the earth is this guy arsenal’s keeper?
Bollocks Chelsea pen goal
Why did Edu become so soft. No aggression.
WTF Eduardo! MY gosh
fuck sake
How do we have so many shite players ffs.
that Sagna bollocking of Almunia speaks volumes
Eduardo looking a bit ring rusty there.
piss poor from Dudu
i m having a laugh
fucking hell where is the committment. Edu that was poor
http://www.veetle.com/viewChannel.php?cid=4b18e4f58e62e
chelsea just scored
Win ugly. Come on. Give us 3 points. COME ON
This Arsenal performance in the second half has really surprised me.
We have not yet put a sustained spell of pressure on Burnley. We need someone/thing to spark the last 15 mins to life for us.
I think despite the fact we have been poor this second we have to give credit to Burnley who have been brilliant.
We wouldnt have beaten Wolves third team on this performance so far
wilshere or vela ??? anyone but fast
And so you’ra the winner of the weekend. And so you’ra the biggest losers of the PL!!! I hate my club now, good game agianst liverpool and now fucking it up agianst burnley!! Out of the title race, out of all. We have loads of good players, but mentally they think so simple, Our players think: Oh, Burnley piece of shit!!! Now You eat that shit ARSENAL!!! This is the most fucking shit draw in my whole life!!!
Song is the main creative force now…..Very telling
why do we have to pss it into the fucking net
wow song is a good passer
Lucky fat keeper
jesus was that a pen??
anybody think we can still win this
This team is like a bunch of studious university lads… No desire….I would not say no steel, its no desire, they dont care.
Manu keep winning even when they are average cause they have passion…
I hope they don’t get us on the counter attack
everytime we make a challenge it’s a free kick
sustained spell…I’m not sure we’ve sustained three passes in succession. Thats how poor we are right now…
Apparently ivanovic dived to win the penalty
naive defending…
we are lost without Cesc
We are being very lucky again
How can this, I can’t understand this. The players know that they must win this game, and win every game like this but they draw???? How can this??
Eduardo pull your finger out of your arse and run after the ball.
Now they are shutting up shop.
time is going!!!cmon!!! get in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Eduardo looks ill
Eduardo has lost his composure and confidence. we can still win this though
Nugent on – we are going to lose this…
and Wenger makes no changes – everything is so fucking great, isn’t it?
It all comes down to taking your chances. We had clear-cut opportunities and failed to take them. Lets hope for at least 1 more.
we are fucked if cesc is out for a weeks
I was really dug out at halftime in the Liverpool match when i dared to suggest that we were very lucky and extremely poor. How people can’t see we were lucky to win on sunday is beyond me, we were poor but lucky that liverpool were even poorer. We Have no leadership or invention and are being outplayed by individuals that would get near our team but are prepared to work hard and battle. If we can get a draw out of this game we’ll be doing well. A and Mayank can have a dig if you want but at least I believe in my convictions and am prepared to put my head above the parapit. Giving Wenger the slight benefit of any doubt he can’t buy at the moment but come Jan he has to buy, but then again I’ve being saying this for at least the past 2 seasons, I dont want wenger out but he must change his policy.
HOW?? HOW??? HOW???? IS this possible????
That was hysterical. Let’s play pretend football, have a bloody shot.
Y did Eboue not start this game????
This is why we must buy, we are not good enough yet!!! I am very positive but now I can’t understand it! We must buy wenger.
Can’t believe it is the same Eduardo.
Think both him and Walcott need a spell in the reserves to get their mojo back
that eas sunday football Sagna
If the verminator wasn’t in there being a bloody warrior we would be down big time.
they look more likely to score now
We have no shape and no leadership. it is like 11 strangers playing together.
Burnley could see this as two dropped if they dont go onto win. We are there for the taking.
We can still win this. Come fucking on
The team should be bloody forced to walk back to London after this game.
Thomas verminator is a champion, look at that heart.
AW, you are so stubborn!! Bring in wilshere or vela!!! For silvestre or something, just do something. Biggest fool of the clu is AW!!!!!
I somehow KNEW we would regret missing those chances…
Ohh how I miss the invincibles
eduardo looks scared to go for the 50/50′s. Understandable, but doesn’t help us.
The youth team have gone to penalties against crewe in the fa cup.
So here goes, we beat Pool due to the brillance of shava
this team looks a bit like the team of last year… Our dear friends NAsri and Walcott are back with a vengeance
I cant believe Wenger has not changed anything
Too late now Dutch to bring in, they have to fight for this one.
shame about the pen though dutchman
Guys, Now everyone sees that we are not good enough and that wenger is a big fool with is stubbornis!! I hope he shut up!
c’mon lads lets go for it
stream’s gone
I’ve never had confidence in this foreign recruited team. They’ve no desire and they can’t win anything. Eduardo, Rosicky, Diaby, Denilson, Eboue, Almunia all don’t know how to win.
streams gone for me……hope we get a goal….somehow.
Well that second half was shite. We had no ideas. Very disappointing
3 mins. COME ON
I’d swap walcott for chris eagles, always gives us problems.
any stream folks? mines gone
sagna is so shit
over rated
mine went too but i’m not sure that i’m bothered
Might buy or will buy Arsene Wenger you decide
what a chance for Gallas! FUCKJ THIS SHIT
AW FUCK OFF!!! Arsenal build a new team!!! WE can’t win anything in the coming seasons with this overrates team of shit!!
He won’t buy Reggie.
you’re not missing anything. Free kick burnley, that’ll be it.
done and dusted
Pat I literally cannot be arsed any more. Fairweather – so be it – cunts
The win against Liverpool is nothing now.
I fuckin hate this team!
Bunch of cunts playing for us!
dropping stupid points
fucking pathetic…
45 seconds to take that goalkick.
Gr8….Its over
Very dissapointing.
The 2nd half performance at Liverpool has been well and truly flushed down the shitter.
So its all about the top four now isnt it.
hats off to burnley
eagles over walott for me what a bunch of sissies
fucking great lads,
ok gallas, arshavin, vermy,cesc in the first half the only ones to show any fight
the rest fuck off you fancy dan prima donnas ,nasri the new zidane yah right…
it was not football it was pornography
mid week game, freezing cold. Should have predicted this.
We will finish 3rd at best.
is fabregas injury serious?
I said on here that its was this match that we should be more worried about…I know all
almunia and walcott plz if u have any shame,plz fuckoff
Burnley, by far the worst team i have sen this season, and we cant dominate them for 5 minutes widthout Cesc.
What do we have players like Nasri and Walcott for? I cant get it…
After the pool match, i said not to get carried away on this blog cause the team had been poor… and I was said to be negative.
But here you have it…a team without desire again… Wenger shouted last week and we won, but its not his job to shout… thats for the captain and the senior players to sort out…If someone is not playing well, then tell him to wake up and play…
Getting rid of all these senior players did not help…we need more character than this to win anything
hats off to burnley is right.
very disappointed with some of our ‘creative’ players though
Damn tame,dont know if it is a good to get atleast a point,in a away game
Dont know if it is a good pt becos it is an away game,with so many injuries including farbegas injury today…
Song,Verm,Gallas,good the rest shocking
We should have beaten them with the early chances. Walcot will never make it. Eduardo has got no confidence. The goalkeeper is an absolute joke. If Wenger persists with almunia we really do need a new manager.
Van Der Vaart, Dzeko and a world class keeper please
I maybe must thnk, we are third with one game in hand when we win that game. We are 2 points behind Man u and 5 behind Chelsea.!
LOL.Georgian. So true. But You know, mate. Expect the AKB to chant their famous One Arsene Wenger song on Saturday. Without Cesc we are finished.In 4 weeks time we can change our league positions with Liverpool.We are a joke.
almunia you sholud fuck off back to spain , cmon wenger you got lucky on sunday your team of fab players that you keep saying you have are fucking souless ,
fuck off abd take them with you ,
not fit to wear the shirt thats correct.
Well that was a big pile of shit. Forget saying Burnley were great, they weren’t or they would have won. We were just crap. We had no passing, no fight, no thought, no fucking idea of how to win the game basically.
I don’t recall seeing any other top 6 side play so many stray balls into nowwhere, or look so comprehensively like they’ve never even trained together before…
That was shocking, especially given that it was a fucking carbon copy of the Pool first half just last game!
We will not win many other games like that, and lets be fair, we got a lucky result on Sunday.
Thats just epitomises us right now. No steele, no sprirt, no real belief. We should have played these off the park. I wouldn’t mind if we did but got a bad result, but we got a lucky result there and should have lost…
I’m disgusted by this fucking team. It’s between Manu and Chelsea for the title. They don’t need to worry about us.
AW has stripped our team of any passion. I dont know our team anymore. I dont like them. Cant be bothered any more.
fuck we had a gr8 week end and they blew it up…cunts to resume the situation
What is shocking is that Wenger did not try and change the shape of it.
Need a Leader in there. We had no shape whatsover.
Failed to kill the game off in the opening 20 mins and it cost us.
so many poor performances to mention.
No one can take any credit from there performance for me. No one gets more than a 6
A question though, How much did we pay for Nasri? I kno it was a lot in Arsene money, and after a season and a 1/2 its about time he starts to show that he is worth the money we got him for.
Where is A and his defending of Walcott? We all have our favorites but this kid is !@#$R%T
should be out of the title race by the end of the year. Will lose to villa if we play like this (and without cesc) ..
so effectively we are 5 pts behind chelsea and 2 behind Manure
maciek , i don’t want but you are right
Manu and Chelski are going to drop more points…we’ve still got a chance
And we were lucky against Pool.
that is IF we win our game in hand.
OK, pretty bad performance, we were great in the first 15-20 mins, then let Burnley into the game, we could have and should have beaten them.
Fabregas played incredibly till the injury, carried the team at that point. Diaby did well in a supporting role alongside him. Arshavin and Nasri figured a lot too, but both faded, Nasri alarmingly so. Walcott went missing completely, let himself and the team down. Almunia….well. Not much to say there.
Just like to say that although Vermaelen and Gallas improved as the game went on, they gave Fletcher and Bikey far too much of an opportunity to get in and amongst them, and Song was very guilty of letting Bikey go beyond him also. Poor from Song.
Sagna wasn’t bad. Silvestre was poor. Made me want Traore back in there lol. Eduardo is rusty. This was also Ramsey’s chance to prove he could handle stepping up to the plate, but he seems to suffer from Mark Randall Syndrome (trying to do too much). Keeps drifting out of games too.
I think Wenger went with what he thought was the best line-up to get a win here, and team collectively let him down. Eboué probably should have played ahead of Walcott, but I don’t think I was expecting Walcott to play so badly really.
I would have liked to see Wilshere get some minutes too, he could have linked up with Arshavin to provide some much neeeded genius in there.
Positive thing would be:
Diaby playing well, hope he sustains this form.
Wenger needs reinforcements. I don’t care how old or young they are, as long as they do a job.
Well that was utter shit.
No creativity in the middle, no sharpness up front, no chance of winning a match at Turf Moor.
How are the kids getting on in the Youth Cup?
Franchise,gm
why the hell wenger doesnt play walcott on left…atleast we will be receiving passes with his right foot and go in to penalty box…
No Sabeelk we are effectively 8 points adrift of Chelsea and 5 of Manure!!! Dont assume we will win game in hand with this team!
Damn, shit, fuck, bollocks. I’m off to lick the cats arse, or something. Later my fellow Gooners.
Sabeel forget left or right – he is SHIT
Shit result….shit stream.
Almunia should never have started this game, and I pray thats his last in an Arsenal shirt.
Did anyone bar Song actually give a fuck tonight..??
Walcott….woeful tonight, and its happening too regularly for my liking.
Yeah ooby,i know…but just wanna cheer myself and others up here…thats why…its been pretty predictably sad,performance..especially without fabregas against burnley
looks like the rant worked only for 2nd half of pool,and walcott play at left or cf,else refuse to play at right…and stop giving useless interviews…
Arsenal FC = Not Good Enough.
If Arsh stayed in the middle we’d have had at least one more.
walcott out, almunia out, silvestre out.
at least young ‘uns won on penalties against fucking Crewe…
Here we go again Walcott giving it the big un in the current bun the other day and what happens they fuckin choke like they always do the management need to grow some and fuck some of these loosers off!! starting with walcott!!
Ooby, agree!
Cant understand how eweyone is expeting us to win our match in hand!
The kids are through on penalties.
3-3 FT score
YOuth won 5-4 on pens.
At least we got a point
that’s more than the mancs and bindippers. We were shit though
ptg. Arsenal yth win 5-4 on penalties
Sabeel on the interviews – the gut thinks he’s Henry. 14 Shirt and the goal celebrations (albeit rarer than an eskimo in a bikini)
YOuth won 5-4 on pens in 10 years we might just see them in the 1st team and we will dominate for 5 years to come right?
Why is everyone getting so hysterical?
Burnley will be a very difficult team to beat at Turf Moor this season and a point is not a completely terrible result.
Given we should have been 3/4 up in first 20 mins, but give Burnley credit, they fought harder and wanted it more. Two very hard (physically) away games in 4 days meant that we couldn’t raise the tempo and didn’t quite have the legs to out run them.
Agreed that AW failing to change the shape and imo bringing Eduardo on to play through the middle just stopped us playing. Either Vela is awful in training, or AW brings Eduardo on because of seniority.
We’ll batter Hull on Sat.
Ooby,when we scored 2 goals at anfield,walcott created some mistake from defenders on both times
first goal..he was cf,making jhonson an owngoal,and in second goal also he was at cf…
*the guy
Song tried really hard out there, he wasn’t that good though, kept losing Bikey, Vermaelen had to deal with Bikey and Fletcher.
Almunia is so bad it’s untrue
What surprised me that Ramsey, someone who has to prove his worth in the little time he gets was so casual during the game.
our match in hand is against bolton if i remember right. it will be again a midweek game, so you can’t assume we will win it.
Theo should fuck off to Brentford. The kid is one of the worst footballers in the league.
Reid, Dunn, even Liam Lawrence would all do better for Arsenal than this overhyped kid. He’s worse than fucking Jeffers!
And to make things worse. Spurs have scored again.
almunia=pathetic
spot on ooby
i mean its good to have confidence,but walcott surely need to learn decent crosses into the boxes…whats he pain 60million for…shuks..
you can say what you like Sabeel he isnt good enough imo. He there by fluke and shouldnt be ahead of Jack as far as im concerned.
Ewry aresnal blog tomorrow should onley write:
PUT FABIANSKI IN GOAL AW!
And nothing else. Did you se wen Sagna was shouting at him in the second half. Loved it!
We’re up to 3rd spot level on points with Villa, but a better goal differnce.
Please Arsene, fuck off Manuel asap!
Why’d we give Eduardo a new contract? He left his previous form in his plaster cast!
We need several players, not one, but I bet we get none but the usual bollox about giving youth a chance.
Way it’s going it’ll be youth a chance in next seasons Europa… Not happy with another away draw. Look at Chavski, same situation but they win! (experience always wins)
Walcott can never play well in games like this.
Walcott is the worst football I have ever seen. Eagles looks closer to that England team than Mr. Princess right now.
Need to get a grip now and take Hull apart on Saturday.
Nothing less than a convincing performance and 3 points is acceptable.
Almunia can’t start. Enough is enough, he deserves to be dropped and by keeping in him the team is just adding the complacency that sweeps our dressing room.
Theo too needs to play Reserve team football this weekend, and I would maybe put Eduardo in there too. They need to get their confidence and are costing us at the moment. I fear that Cesc will be missing but if not I would go
Fabianski (I will shoot Almunia myself if required)
Sagna, Verm, Gallas, Traore
Cesc, Song, Ramsey
Eboue, Arshavin, Nasri
lets face it-we wont win the title, its sadly all about getting in the top 4 again, i can see us getting 3rd in the league. it will roughly be the same season as last maybe a place up in the league…progress!
I was really dug out at halftime in the Liverpool match when i dared to suggest that we were very lucky and extremely poor. How people can’t see we were lucky to win on sunday is beyond me, we were poor but lucky that liverpool were even poorer. We Have no leadership or invention and are being outplayed by individuals that would get near our team but are prepared to work hard and battle. If we can get a draw out of this game we’ll be doing well. A and Mayank can have a dig if you want but at least I believe in my convictions and am prepared to put my head above the parapit before the full time whistle. Giving Wenger the slight benefit of any doubt he can’t buy at the moment but come Jan he has to buy, but then again I’ve being saying this for at least the past 2 seasons, I dont want wenger out but he must change his policy.
now lets get ready for same usual wenger interview…that we werent shar enuf in final third…
well how many times r we gonna do that,we had so many offensive players there in diaby,nasri,walcott,arshavin,eduardo…still no bloody another goal…
what r these players paid for??
fuckin typical shite. A.W should be getting rid of at least half this squad.most of them are pure shite. instead hes doubling most of their wages by giving them new deals. hes losing whats left of the plot
im off night all! Sabeel keep the F5 finger ready!
Well that was shit, Theo and Nasri really not found any form since returning from injury, we were just really flat today, very frustrating performance and result.
At least the kids apparently won on penalties after a 3-3 draw, though that’s precious little consolation
Its December…..it ain’t fucking well over !!!
Nite all
ooby,
we have our views,but i dont definitely agree walcott on right,he should play in reserves…but he would not be made to,as he would then ask for a transfer…
this is some agenda based on the cost of fans frustration
great goal be n’zogbia.
Sabeel Indian Gunner Says:
December 16, 2009 at 21:49
looks like the rant worked only for 2nd half of pool,and walcott play at left or cf,else refuse to play at right…and stop giving useless interviews…
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Spot on about Walcott and his fucking interviews.
‘we frighten defenses at times….’ Oh really, WE?
Song was taking over the offensive responsibility cause everyone else was fucking clueless, actually.
I hope Cesc is back asap.
We will look upon those GREAT, 100% chances and think “what if”.
This game shouldn’t have been a contest after 20 minutes.
I really hope Theo gets dropped, forever. Wilshere would do more out there
Apparently the spuds scored a marvellous third goal (by krankzar). makes the day even worse.
Ooby,i am losing interest in that
catch u all later
hoping fabregas is not out for a long time
tata…a point is better than nothing based on such a shit performance
two performances sum us up….yes great at times but gutless apart from Cesc and Ardshavin going forward.
Sharkey
I think you are right, it aint over.
I dont think we will win it, but I dont think we are completely out of it either. A lot will depend on Jan. Man Ure will still drop points and quite a few of them. It is about how Chavski cope with the ANC and if Wenger can get past his stubborness and sign a player or two to drive us on until May.
okay … that’s why u focking kill ur chances off … not 1 or 2 or 3 … but 4 focking clear chances that went begging …
burnley thought … hmmm they’re not that good after all … let’s get a tie.
now what da fuck, what da fucking fuck …
ah yes … i have never bashed on an Arsenal player, but Almunia has to really go, really really go, otherwise he’ll fuck off the hard way
where do you get marvellous from sfo?! it was ok. Spuds winning is a good thing imo – city will be further up the table this season than them come the end of it.
Cesc’s injury is a worry, though we shouldn’t need him against Hull, Villa though he’s a must for
zeus
yes i know,its really foolishness for us fans to keep reading such interviews,by kids who have yet to prove there worth that they deserve to wear ‘A ARSENAL SHIRT’
good nite all…as a i said
based on such a ordinary,shit performance where we could have lost,it is better we have a point instead of nothing…
it’s not even clueless, it’s just gutless – misplaced passes, no desire to chase the opoosition down, no running towards the passes, no nothing…
Wenger, sell half of these mugs, buy some POWER for fuck’s sake – youth policy failed miserably and this is official…
Burnley showed what we’re missing tonight and how hard it’s going to be to get it, they played far better and are a far better ‘Team’ than the sum of their parts, and thats it really.
The good thing is that I think we’ve got a run of games coming up at home to get it together. It showed in how Ramsey, who was much more conservative then he usually is at home, dropped deeper and wasn’t willing to run with the ball forward and link up the play, that is probably down to confidence.
Leaving Song and Diaby to try and urge the team on, it also mean’t Nasri and Arshavin dropped deeper to look for the ball leaving us without the ‘shape PattheGooner mentioned.
Whoever thought we were suddenly going to turn it on and become this super-efficient team like we haven’t seen for nigh on two years now is having a laugh, as are those that thought a team that can give the sort of Jekyll and Hyde performance seen at Liverpool would find it easy to go away to burnley and win.
It’s going to take games to put the sort of consistency we want from the players together and several of them and if players keep dropping to injuries it just makes it harder, I think it’s Hull next, hopefully at home we’ll play with more confidence.
To the Sharkster it is all over till next season!!
so predictable ,cold december night away from home arsenal bottle it again
I guess the postive is that at least Arsene can’t claim that his strikers are proving to him that he does not need to sign anyone
Almunia and Walcott should be embarassed with their performances tonight. neither deserved even 4 out 10 maybe 3 if I am generous.
Not sure why vermaelen made that stupid tackle in the box. he will learn from that. Burnley were given a lift by that. before that they were shell shocked and we could have got 3 or 4 goals. but their second ‘goal’ was not offside, so we should have lost tonight.
I had a bad feeling about this game all day.
and yes, this is over – any team of shitkickers knows that it’s enough to get in our faces and close us down…
Our players up front go for the beautiful flicks, and stupid things…they needs to put their heads down and take on those defenders one on one…
Only Shava and Bendtner were doing that for us…
As usual, some players out there were hiding
As if we didnt know Van Persie was injury prone.
Expected result and nothing much to complain about.
We’re are a relatively average team and doing alot better than we should be imo, especially considering our personnel, with garbage like Diaby, Denilson and Walcott in our ranks.
The players Wenger signed in 2006 our killing us.
Stupid, stupid challenge from Verm, but is it just me, or was that a soft pen? He had his foot on Bikey’s toes ffs!
Pat,
dangerous play, contact, penalty, end of…
I thought Diaby disappeared in the second half too. I thought Vela should have come on for him.
nasri, ramsey and Song in the middle, Vela, Arsh and Eddie up top would have been better. Eduardo lacked any pace that he had before his injury. vela would definitely have made something of that through ball that Jensen picked up unchallenged. Eddie bottled it.
David if the challenge that happened to VP had happened to any player in the league it would’ve done serious damage, nothing to do with being injury prone.
Burnley are strong at Turf Moor, we should’ve won, but let’s not make out we lost to some whipping boys, we failed to beat a team who’ve only lost once at home this season.
It was a poor result, but we aren’t suddenly complete shit and the season over etc etc
Nah Pat, absolutely stone wall, very poor from Vermy.
gazzap I thought Diaby was ok, I would’ve kept him on and taken Nasri off for Vela
Ive been saying for over a year now, Theo isnt good enough, not even close to a CL level player.
Nasri definately could be, but he needs to start imposing himself on games & being more agressive.
and sure, Silvestre deserves contract extension, eh?
if Wenger gives him that, it will mean that he will fucking lost his marbles…
Theo is the worst winger in the country, without a doubt.
We should have won this game comfortably. The players saw we we creating a lot and they underestimated Burnley.
Diaby and Song had good games imo.
Their last goal kick took 45 seconds of the 3 minutes added time. I fucking hate refs.
I also heard we were denied a stonewall pen in the 1st minute(I started watching right before our goal).
standard excuses from wenger there then!
A,
I would be happy with a draw there, it’s the performance that was absolutely shit, not the result…
and don’t tell me that we are still in it, ‘cuz we are NOT…
Paulinho = Heh, long time, what you been upto ? You can’t say we’re an average team doing much better than we should be and continue to big up Vela and Merida at the same time, just a thought.
Listened to the game on arsenal tv tonight. After the game they do a phone in, the guy presenting it is very good. Nothing like tom watt on a friday night. He’ll probably be sacked tomorrow for disagreeing with lord wenger though.
Diaby was good today, kept the ball well and tried to look for openings, something that even Song tried to do when the chips were down. We should have had Eboue or Wilshere out there, players who can beat people and make things happen (Eboué’s final ball is beginning to improve, thank God)
I have rarely read more shite on LG than in the last hour.
Had WG taken his chance we would have won the game. Check out the stats and see how much territorial advantage we had. Had AA’s shot gone in we would have won a by 4.
And lest we forget. Our Arsenal got one more point at Burnley than the great MU team that you guys think so highly of. They drew with AV as well.
Reading this bile (and to the blogger who suggested Theo should fuck off and die…. shame on you) has upset me more than our ineffectual performance.
We lost Cesc, we lost shape. Burnley double teamed Arshavin and Theo had a poor night. Doesn’t make us shite does it? We are 3rd in the table FFS.
I wouldn’t say that SUGA3, I was expecting a tight game, but thought we could get an early goal, then snatch a second, or maybe it would be tight until later on. Instead we were awesome in the first 20 mins, should’ve been a few ahead, then conceded a shit goal, and knocked us out of our stride, Cesc got injured, and we just couldn’t get any fluidity or momentum again, and it was tight until the end.
The result is what was a real fucker for me, it worries me.
How are we not still in it though?!
Pat Says:
December 16, 2009 at 22:13
Theo is the worst winger in the country, without a doubt.
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Surely thats being OTT Pat. He is NOT very good at all, but the worse?
Paul88 – What did he disagree with ?!
Raddy
Everything you say is correct but Walcott and Almunia are not good enough.
Keyser , I posted my thoughts on the Liverpool game on Monday. I’m grand thanks.
Your Merida and Vela point makes no sense. Wenger has no intention of ever playing them, in their natural roles, in any important game. So they’re moot.
i would not mind if we lost…I would not even mid if we played badly and lost….
BUT I do mind that we do not play to something resembling our ability! Every week I keep telling myself some of these players have no self respect…
They need a kick up the arse every morning to perform
Big Raddy
When they start handing out the premier league trophy for “average territorial advantage over 38 games” your post will mean something.
And had the Chavs not got a highly dubious penalty, they would have drawn at home to the bottom club’s reserves.
This title is going to the wire, and we are going to the there or thereabouts (in racing parlance)
BR,
sorry mate, but you just can’t defend this performance – we lost Cesc, we’ve lost shape? are we a one man team now?
AW says we have such immense strength in depth, doesn’t he?
and oh, Cesc pulled a hammy – we are screwed, Villa will bumfuck us without him…
the guy on arsenal tv that interviewed wenger said he’s upset with the fixture list and that manure only play 37 games a season whilst we have 38. (meaning the wolves game last night).
Cesc has a hamstring injury, he definately misses the game at the weekend.
zeus, the easiest to mark surely. Eagles has more brains than him. SWP, Lennon, Downing, Young, Nani, Valencia, the list goes on
Theo, Eduardo, Nasri, Wilshere, Vela are off form at the moment, they havn’t just become shit, just as Arshavin, Cesc, VP didn’t just suddenly turn shit when they had their poor runs of form in the last few months.
The overreaction and irrationality of some is laughable, though I guess emotions always run high when there are disappointing results.
Pat I’d say he’s one of the hardest to mark, but much easier to deal with when he’s on the ball
Big Raddy Says:
December 16, 2009 at 22:19
I have rarely read more shite on LG than in the last hour.
Had WG taken his chance we would have won the game. Check out the stats and see how much territorial advantage we had. Had AA’s shot gone in we would have won a by 4.
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No kidding Sherlock. The game ended 1-1, had anyone taken their chance for Arsenal we would’ve won. Whats your point.
Territorial advantage, didn’t we have that against Chelsea? Meant fuck all in the end as I remember.
Paulinho – Kind of just skim through posts now, sorry to have missed yours.
Mate if we apply the same reasoning most do on here to other players, Vela’s had his little chance and he should be shipped off. When they all seem to lack the confidence of a team with several good performances behind them, thing is Vela’s got the new contract from Wenger and he’s accepted it I think ? as has Merida, so the only people who seem to think they have no chance of playing is erm you and..
A
It doesnt take away from the fact that Van P is injury prone. And pretty much half of the Arsenal team for that matter.
We shoudve bought a Striker in the summer.
Bolton at home is our game in hand. Say we win that:
5 pts behind Chelsea and 2 behind United. Still very possible, but we have to take our fucking chances.
Today was just an illustration that currently we’re no better at beating the little teams than Chelsea and Utd, and we’re going to need to be if we’re to win the league, as I don’t see us being better at beating the big four
And what precisely does your total negativity bring to the table Gambon?
I present a reasoned argument showing that Burnley did not boss the game, and that despite a below par performance from us, it was not a disaster.
But I realise that I am throwing pearls before swine and wish you a goodnight.
A,
we are not, period – Chavs, Manure, Villa, even fucking Spuds have more heart…
there were too many gutless performances so far this season already…
Wenger is sending teenagers to do grown men’s job…
Pat – Lennon is as dopey as Walcott he’s just had shedloads of games consecutively, Walcott’s been injured half the time he’s been with us, injury prone maybe, shit ? Fuck no.
If we were sitting back waiting for Burnley to attack and trying to counter, Walcott would have shitloads of space to run into, but who the fucks going to give him that ? Thats the difference.
new deal loose form is spreading faster than pig flu at the arse
Yeah SUGA3, as Utd showed against Burnley getting a point less than us, or Chelsea showed at home against Everton?!
We’ve now dropped points in the same number of games against the little teams as them, before that game we’d been more consistent, now we’re level with them in that regard.
i think the main point is we are lacking desire or fighting spirit.
we can score goals,but when we are under pressure,whole team just surrenders.
whenever manu,chelsea are loosing,in last 15-20 mins they look very dangerous.whole game is played in one half.
while in our case it never ever look like we’re gono score.we have no heart.
we prefer to play beautiful football rather than winning.
Me and Arsene Wenger.
A,
like I said – it’s not the result, it’s how they played…
half of them don’t deserve to wear the shirt, let alone new diamond studded contracts…
So much for yet another “turning point.”
Result fucking hurts for several reasons. We tore them a new arsehole in the first 20 minutes and thats where champions take their chances. Then a stupid, stupid challenge by Verm when Bikey took an awful touch anyway.
bah.. the league is there for the taking and again we’re far too inconsistent
Raddy – the voice of reason – always !!!
Wishing death on Walcott….makes me embarrassed to support the same team…or do we…??
Whoever it was is either Scum, or they’ll be back on tomorrow being all contrite, claiming ‘I wuz well angry…’
Paulinho – heh, that was funny. Some much needed humour.
Suga3
Agree about the lack of gut…
But what pisses me is that these players are capable of doing it…its just that they dont want to go the extra mile…they are well paid, like the nice interviews in the media, and do a kind of a job on matchdays…
Do they really care about the club??? I am not sure. Wilshere would have done a good job in place of Nasri today…Eboue would have done well compared to Walcott…at least these players try even if they are younger or less talented.
And the youth were almost embarrassed by Crewe. Won it in penalties.
u guys if u cant deal with disappointment do yourself a favour and forget about winning the league
if we lucky we might win a cup
or it wld be another unfruitful year in terms of trophies
SUGA3 they played better than both Utd and Chelsea have in some games this season…. All three teams are currently fairing very very similarly against the smaller teams
Pat – Honestly, why the hell would you expect an easy turning point from this team ? The thing thats most prevalent from almost all of them is that it’s not just going to come naturally to them, most need games, others experience and the biggest thing is confidence.
We all saw how they played in both halves at Liverpool, you can’t expect them to turn it around like that, if we’d had Van Persie and Fabregas fit I think we might’ve walked that, but we don’t, we have to work at it from every game on now.
It was sad about Fabregas, especially considering how he started, he seemed almost above everyone else on the pitch.
Keyser, game should have been over when Cesc was still on the pitch. Until we learn to take simple fucking chances, we will win fuck all.
How hard is it? 1 v 1 with the keeper and Nasri didn’t even shoot!
Pat Says:
December 16, 2009 at 21:06
Walcott, go die, seriously. I fucking hate you more than any rival player.
You’re not welcome at Arsenal you useless cunt
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Pat….hang your head in shame.
Would you be welcome at the Emirates wishing death on an Arsenal player…??
Control your fucking emotions.
A,
you’ve gotta be fucking kidding me…
Arsene should dump a few of them to the reserves to make an example, but who do we replace them with?
our bench today was nothing short of pathetic and standing in the technical area, giving players evil looks instead of going Joe Pesci, yeah, that will show them…
Raddy,
TBH im not that worried about tonights result. I am very negative about the team in general, because nothings changing, year after year we have the same problems, and the short sighted frenchman wont do a thing about it, other than handing fat new contracts to failures.
You could argue that we’re not that far off the other big teams, well here’s the problem with that.
Chelsea – look to be the strongest team in the PL. Its hard to see where they need dramatic improvement, therefore its hard to criticise.
Utd – Can get a lot more patience from their fans. They have won it all these last few years and are rarely top at this point anyway. If they dont win it they will blame fergie for not replacing Ronaldo, although the lack of defensive cover has also hurt.
Arsenal – Stevie fucking Wonder can see that certain players arent good enough. We have a right to be more angry than other fans cos we have obvious problems that arent being addressed.
The other issue is that UTD & Chelsea will probably spend money in the window, where as Wenger is probably just gonna use his budget to give Denilson & Mannone £100k pw contracts.
I dont care if we finish 1st or 18th, as long as the manager is trying to improve things day in day out, but he isnt. The team is stagnant.
Pat – Thats my point, it’s not going to come just like that, we need some luck, we need players to stay fit and play consecutive games for once.
Eduardo would have taken those chances 2 years ago, it’s down to confidence, we know Nasri can finish, we either scrap all of them or we wait for them, we’ve got some games at home coming up, hopefully we can build the momentum we need.
It’s not going to be easy, it never is.
Not die, but he can fuck off and get injured. He is useless. I never liked him and never will.
All talk from that kid, nothing else. If he stayed quiet, I wouldn’t mind, but he can’t just shut his yap.
Some of you comfort yourselves with the idea that Manu and Chelsea will drop points too. So what. They undoubtedly will, but we will also.
Additionally we are not charge of our own destiny as we are currently behind both those clubs. Which means that we have to be far more consistent than them if we plan to win the league. So we gained on them last weekend, now we are right back where we started. Them dropping points is no comfort.
gambon
I don’t think the mancs will buy. I think they are in the shit financially.
Plenty of people on here predicted a hard game today and that’s what we got. I can’t see how Webger thinks almunia is good enough. Walcott is terrible.
Keyser,
we are The Arsenal – last time I checked we were a football club, not a fucking charity for crocks and failures…
Well, this result makes Villa a MUST WIN game. No excuses…and hopefully no Theo either.
if wenger cant realize,atleast almunia and walcott should that they have no right to wear arsenal shirt.
Pat,
Villa will fucking obliterate us…
and yes, we will be stopped by ‘not good enough’ Dunne and shot down by ‘thick’ Agbonlahor…
SUGA3 – Honestly dude what type of comment is that ?!
I cant stand A’s excuses.He never accepts that we played badly.FFS
Wenger can’t too Jaguar, he’s blaming the pitch!
Fabianski has to start next game, or Szczesny. We can’t have that clown in goal and we can’t have a sprinter playing football for Arsenal.
Theo cost as much as Ronaldo cost United. Ha, he will never be 1/100th as good as CR.
We’re fucked against Villa if Cesc doesn’t play. Ramsey isn’t that good.
where are Wengers comments?
we are an organisation resembling a football club which is more of a training academy than anything else.
We train young average players to become grown up average players…
Jaguar, the thing is, we didn’t play badly!
Game should be over in 20 minutes, 4-0 and thats that.
There is no point talking about the other 70 minutes. A great team finishes off Burnley with the chances we had. We tore through them.
Hit the nail on the head there ritesh
Ramsey will have a game by then, I think he’ll do ok.
We are having problems finishing chances and defending them.
We never seem to keep a clean sheet!
Pat with respect I don’t give a fuck about ronaldo. Theo would be better off at west brom or boro.
If Wenger really is blaming the pitch he is a real cunt, that is just offensive to every arsenal fan out there.
For a few years I just thought he was under extreme budgetry constraints, now i just think he’s senile or has some alzheimers like disease. He has lost it as far as im concerned.
We still haven’t fully recovered from Hleb and Flamini leaving.
Song-Cesc-Flamini would be rather defensive, but Flamini made our tempo much faster with his style and running.
Why do we always sell our best players. Fuck this team, I can’t take it anymore.
How do professional footballers not take their chances day in and day out?
gambon, I don’t think Wenger has much say on how much money he has available.
This club has been shady as fuck for the past few years.
he also moaned about the fixture list.
Pathetic.
I don’t remember where I read this, but someone said this about Theo on a blog.
Walcott needs to improve and add diversity to his game or he will become nothing more than a well mannered Jermaine Pennant.
I suspect that had Walcott been in the reserves he would be in the same bout as Gilbert and Hoyte, but Wenger spent a lot a dough on him, he has to save face…..
“Mathematically and mentally prepared for the title challenge” Fuck off you french piece of shit, obviously they’re not.
Whilst teams roll over for CHelsea and United, refs give them decisions, we get fuck all + loads of injuries.
Its time he started looking at himself and the team, there’s nothing wrong in accepting we are not good enough.
Always in denial!
What if we dont take our chances Pat?A can rant about how good we are.But at the end of the day,we dont capitalise on the chances,and hence dont deserve to win.As simple as that.
We still deserve it Jaguar, but we just don’t have the ability to get it. 2 different things
Hey hey hey hey heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeey. Come on Pat, CHILL OUT. Wenger knows best.
I think this is the first season he really has to deliver a trophy, especially after what he has said. I think he’s gonna face quite a backlash in may….Then he’ll probably sulk and everyone will feel sorry for his again.
Just saw the Wenger interview on BBC..No mention of pitch there.
he said the players took their foot off the gas as soon as they scored and allowed Burnley a way back. After that, they did not create enough chances and struggled physically, were not sharp enough.
fab,any update on fab
My own squad analysis (I will put an asterisk next to names worth keeping)
GKs:
Almunia – fuck right off
*Fabianski – should be given a chance, but I won’t hold my breath
Mannone – sell
*Szczesny – ‘too young’ – Wenger won’t trust him
Defenders:
*Bac – A.Q. (Arsenal Quality)
*Verm – ditto
*Willy – ditto
*Clichy – ditto, but crocked (and this injury is there to stay, given how shit our medical team is)
*Gibbs – A.Q.
*Traore – ditto
Silvestre – reasonable, but should go
Phil – as good as gone
JD – shit
Midfielders:
*Cesc, *AA, *Song – A.Q.
*Nasri – too inconsistent, another fancy dan
Denilson, *Diaby, *Eboue – marmites
*Ramsey, *Merida, *LJW – talented but not ready
Rosicky – permanently crocked
Strikers:
TW, Dudu, *Vela – hot & cold (more of the latter atm)
*RvP – A.Q. but out for a season
*Bendtner – another Marmite
that is 17 players worth keeping, out of which 4 are not ready yet…
hammy. misses saturday
pat,any update on fab
I think its a vicious cycle,Paul.Even if we end up with zero trophies(all down to the stubbornness of Mr.Wenger),what we gonna do is obviously wait for the next season.What we have learnt from our trophyless seasons is that
1)4th place is equivalent to winning the Champions league
2)AKB(To me,its Arsene knows Bullshit)
3)So on
Our fans are just a fucking bunch of losers.
Keyser – what kind of comment?
realistic mate – football is a result business…
On the brighter side, 5 pts behind CHelsea(if we beat Bolton at the Emirates) is nothing at this stage of the season.
We must improve/buy asap.
Diaby was good today. Rarely gave the ball away actually.
Cesc and vermaelen were showing real heart and really wanted to win it. Fuck our luck with injuries
Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger slammed the Barclays Premier League’s fixture compilers and Wolves boss Mick McCarthy after his side were frustrated by Burnley.
The Gunners had to settle for a 1-1 draw at Turf Moor after Graham Alexander’s penalty cancelled out Cesc Fabregas’ early strike.
The result was a setback to Arsenal’s title hopes and came 24 hours after rivals Manchester United had cruised to a 3-0 win against a below-strength Wolves.
Wenger was frustrated at having to face tougher opposition and was also angered that this weekend’s opponents, Hull, have not played this week.
Hull had originally been scheduled to face Everton this week but the fixture was moved to November because of the Merseyside club’s European commitments.
Wenger said: “I think the Premier League has a basic promise to organise the fixtures in a normal way.
“The guy who organised the fixtures this season must have come out of a special school, because he is more intelligent than I am!
“For sure, he has never played football, organising midweek games in a week when you have a Europa League.
“We have some teams who do not play at all. We play Sunday and Wednesday away and at home on Saturday against Hull, who have not played all week.
“It is also damaging for Burnley.”
On the subject of McCarthy’s team selection, the Frenchman was equally forthright.
Wenger said: “It is sad, but what can I do about that? I am responsible for Arsenal.
“We compete with Manchester United over 37 games instead of 38.
“I believe it is a problem for the international credibility of the Premier League, but it is not my problem, it is a Premier League problem.”
In a further blow for the Gunners, Fabregas was forced off with a hamstring injury before half-time and will definitely miss the Hull clash.
Wenger was disappointed not to have followed up Sunday’s win at Liverpool with another.
“I always wanted six points,” he said. “Really I expected more to drop two points at Liverpool than here but I believe Burnley had a very good time tonight.
“They did not have one moment when they lost focus.”
pathetic excuses from Wenger…
we are a TOP SIDE, ffs, start acting like you manage one…
The gap at the top wouldn’t be a concern to me if we were in good form and getting players back.
Unfortunately our form is getting worse, the goals have dried up and every game we play we get another injury.
The reality is we need more than one player in january but we’ll be lucky to get one.
Suga,
My favourite part was;
JD – Shit
Cos its true.
On the subject of McCarthy’s team selection, what was the problem with his selection?
Pat,
no, we did not deserve to win today – another lesson in how to play from your heart from a team in claret & blue – exactly what happened @ WHU…
this team is learning fuck all…
SUGA, heart or no heart we deserved to win today.
bullshit, Pat – once again, they thought they will walk over a lesser side and it came back and bit us in the arse…
Don’t see any excuses from Wenger in that post. Learn to read before you comment
Both teams above us will drop points in December
I wont blame the team.The manager knows fuck all.FFS,I dont need to be paid £6m to comprehend the needs of our team.FFS,you flipping professor ,open your fucking eyes,and admit the mistakes,than passing the buck.
What are his pathetic excuses? I can’t se him making any from that post from choy
WTF is A,Mayank and SS?They would go for a hiding,once we drop points,and would be back ranting about Mr.Wenger after a win.
Pat,
blaming ‘tough’ fixture list is pathetic – learn to read between the lines, and don’t ever try to insult me…
He wasn’t blaming a tough fixtutre list. He was stating a point. If we lose to Hull it would be an excuse but we have to play them first
SUGA, learn to fucking comprehend! How is that an excuse for todays game? Its not.
MistaKen and we wont?
Read between the lines. Is that a special language?
he is stating why did arse have to play a game today!
He’s actually saying that Hull didn’t play today. You can twist everything he says to make him look a cunt if that’s what you want
well, so fucking what? a manager is supposed to MANAGE, that includes motivation, if it has to be negative motivation, so be it…
Still, what worries me most is our fixtures toward the end of January. FA are cunts, I’ll tell you that.
We need to stay within 5 pts. until then, hopefully even less., to have a chance.
Win against Villa is a must though.
We were talking about the fixtures the other day – it seems ridiculous that Utd and Chelsea both had two home games, and we had two tough away games, in a notoriously difficult period with lots of games coming up.
I don’t care about Hull though, we’ll spank them on Saturday at the Emirates, Villa is the big one now, a real must win
goonermichael,
Theres no need to twist his words, he does a good job of making himself look like a cunt.
guys,
my point is not that he is a cunt, far from it, but if we have title ambitions we should be able to get on with it and beat two mid table teams (at best – Burnley are the new boys and Hull were a relegation fodder last season) within the space of a few days…
my point is that we have been beaten at our own game by a bunch of shitkickers tonight…
We dont need to twist his words to make him look an idiot.He himself is serving the purpose moaning about it.I am sure,he wouldnt have come up with it,had we won today.Hypocrisy!
True Pat, though from February 11th every game after that is very much winnable. We’ve had a really horrible fixture list up to then, but after that we’re home free, we just need to still be within 6 points then, and I reckon we’ll win the league.
On(c)e Arsene Wenger, On(c)e Arsene Wenger! Night guys. And don’t belive in any trophy this season, and give Arsene another 2 years to finish his “project”.Night, once more.
Yes he still would have said it if we’d won Jaguar, and again you don’t seem to understand the meaning of the word hypocrisy, you should cease to use it until you do….
Ridiculous logic,A.We had the easiest opening fixtures in the league,compared to any other top four team.I didnt see you ‘moaning’ about that before.Why do it now.
Relax Jaguar,mate. You didn’t expect us to win today, did You?
when DD was here, Wenger was well supported
He needs another guy like DD…. to convince him to buy
Jaguar,give uncle Arsene another 5 years to complete his project.You will see the great Arsenal once again.Trust in Arsene.
Maciek,
I was expecting to win against the new boys trying to play football against allegedly the best footballing side on the planet, bar Barca…
I have realised, i need to take some distance from this team now…it takes too much of my time and energy…
Need to look at it from…..far….really far
Dein was the only person that had ANY influence on him…
Sarcasm, ritesh?
If you expect the manager of one of the best clubs in the world to look forward to the advice,of his footballing director.
What’s ridiculous logic Jaguar?! That we’ve got easy fixtures after Feb 11th, and others have hard fixtures, therefore we’re likely to drop less points? Not sure how that’s anything but logical?
We didn’t have the easiest opening fixtures in the league in the slightest, we’ve had tough fixtures most of this season, all our easy fixtures are together after feb 11th
every other manager says the same type of stuff it doesn’t mean shit. The mancs and chav effectively had byes this week. We’ll have more home games later.
Hull didn’t play today – boo-fucking-hoo…
the problem lies in the fact that our squad depth is just an illusion…
Arsene Knows – yep, he knows that we may find it difficult to beat Hull at home with no ‘ticker’ in the midfield and no recognised striker…
Suga,for many Arsenal fans we are better than Barca, and that’s very sad.It’s sad, cos many people claim, we are going in the right direction but for me it’s a road to nowhere( like in the Talking Heads song). 5 years without any trophy and if we slip up, we will be in trouble.
Burnley have never been shitkickers, so you have no idea of what you’re talking about. They always play their football on the ground.
Opportunity missed yet again. nasri and Cesc should have converted their chances. A goal for them was always going to make the game harder. On this blog, whenever we play shit teams, I always warn not to give them/their fans any encouragement. Every time I’ve said it, we have failed to win.
Its becoming so predictable now. Missed chances, opposition confidence skyrockets, more missed chances = draw/loss
If we beat Villa and Hull, I’ll be a happy gooner again. I hope Cesc and Clichy are back for Villa.
Goodbye Cesc come May.You deserve a better manager than a stubborn,senile professor.
Pat if we drop out first points at home (chelsea apart) by failing to beat Hull or Villa then I’m gonna start to get very worried
Jaguar that sounds so gay.
By Feb. 11th, I think we’ll be done playing the top 4-5 teams already
Pat, do You honestly see us winning against Villa? It will be the same crap all over again. MON is a great manager and he will play his game.Without Cesc and Silvestre as our lb it will be HARD. And I don’t even count Almunia cos he is crap.
A
Villa will be areally tough game. I think we really missed bendy tonight.
The second half of a season is going to be a test on a number of levels – we’ve played most of the tough teams away, but most of the weak teams at home. Second half of the season is the opposite, so we’ve gotta see if we can play and tear the better teams apart at home, and whether we’ll do better away from home against the easier teams.
Pat, by 11th of Fab we can be 15 points off the leaders including our game in hand.
Pat,
sorry mate, but the alleged ‘quality gap’ is just so vast, it should be a walk in the park, but no one should tell the players that
again, same ol’, same ol’: prima donnas thought it was enough to turn up after beating the mighty Liverpool – the difference between today’s game and the WHU one was that this time we were completely outplayed by a much lesser side…
you think we will beat Villa playing like that? think again…
A, I agree with you in some ways about the fixture list…but heres the big problem;
- The second we are under any pressure to win a game, whether its against UTD or Wolves, we will crumble, just like we have in every big game for 5 years.
We are bottlers.
I’m not normally one for criticising our players but tonight’s game seriously worried me. OK, I know that we have had a heavy schedule recently but I thought that Almunia, Nasri, Diaby and Walcott were nothing less than pathetic. We lost just about every physical battle, all over the pitch and I think this was a point gained as opposed to 2 points dropped. What had happened to Eduardo ? He looks hesitant beyond belief. The transfer window gives us an opportunity to strengthen and you should always do so when you can when you can. But I am having another one of those deja-vu moments now. As it is, this team ain’t winning anything this season. It has no cutting edge and no-one who can bring others into play in the opponents half. We cannot just rely on the occasional wonder-goal from Arshavin. It’s going to get more physical in the second half of the season and I repeat, I am worried.
A, Villa will be very tough, especially without Cesc.
I don’t think you’re giving them enough credit. They tore apart Sunderland away!
After Feb 11th we’ll have to play Spurs away, and City at home, though I reckon we’ll destroy City at the Emirates.
Apart from those two games we’ve got Sunderland (h), Stoke (a), Burnley (h), Hull (a), West Ham (h), Birmingham (a), Wolves (h), Wigan (a), Blackburn (a), Fulham (h)
They aren’t absolute gimmies, but there isn’t even a Burnley away in terms of how tough they are
Gambon, we are just NOT GOOD ENOUGH.You won’t win a trophy with a keeper like Almunia even if Terry, Nesta and co will be playing in front of him.
gambon,
my point exactly…
anyone thinks that PV4 would have allowed such performance if he was the skipper?
didn’t think so…
enough of the carrot bullshit, time for some stick…
gambon
Like we crumbled at Anfield?
The mancs lost there and burnley.
Don’t get me wrong I don’t think we were any good and I’d like to see almunia and walcott sold but it’s not the end of the world.
Hello A! Mate, do You honestly belive we will be in the title race after 15th of February?
and SUGA, you’re giving Villa too much credit. Go watch Villa vs. Burnley, then come back and talk.
It’ll be tough but not as hard as Burnley away imo. If we take our chances, then I think we can win.
Traore and Clichy should be back for Villa, Along with Rosicky and possibly cesc
It’ll be interesting Pat, Chelsea are the only team who have come to the Emirates and not gotten a hell of a beating. Villa are better away from home because they’re a counter attacking team, but I do expect us to create a fair few chances in the first half, and it’s just down to whether we can take them.
Cesc was only a niggle really wasn’t it? He walked off and didn’t go straight down the tunnel so 10 days is a good time to get him 100%
I don’t see why not Maciek? If things go just as they have so far this season then we’ll be 5-6 points behind, and well in the running.
wasn’t milan away a “big” game. aren’t we being a bit selective.
gambon we’ve not bottled every big game, we’ve just not won them consistently, we’ve still won some of them, lost some of them
Pat,
Villa are much more direct, they don’t do crab football, but simply go for the throat like we used to…
it was really frustrating to watch our attacks hitting the brick wall on the 18 yard line
did we penetrate? fuck no…
did Jensen have any serious save to make in the 2nd half?
Cesc has a hammy problem that he had against LPool, towards the end I think. Wenger won’;t risk him against Hull, but hopefully it is only a niggle.
Gameslike West Ham away, United away, Sunderland away, and today hurt the most cause we could have won all of them. Shame. We really need to practice our finishing.
One thing is for sure, Le Gaffer had better spend the cash in a couple of weeks.
goonermichael,
Milan were a very poor team at that point.
Big games are the likes of Liverpool in CL QF, Birmingham away to go 8 clear, Man Utd in the CL SF, Chelsea in the FAC SF.
If we’re so good in big games can you tell me when we last won something???????
K thanks.
SUGA3 to compare Villa to the Arsenal of old is blasphemy! They’re the most negative team in the top half of the table! 10 men behind the ball, then have quick players running to break, and then dive to win free kicks, that’s all they are!
Pat – just to quote 2 of your posts on Villa written within the space of 3 minutes:
23:45
‘…I don’t think you’re giving them enough credit. They tore apart Sunderland away!…’
23:48
‘…and SUGA, you’re giving Villa too much credit. Go watch Villa vs. Burnley, then come back and talk…’
double standards, methinks?
Jensen was lucky as fuck in the 2nd half when he went out, only for the ball to deflect back towards him off a combo of Eduardo/CB.
I hope Heskey plays against us. He’s much worse than Carew and MON plays his favorites.
We should be able to beat them, but you never know with us.
Gambon
You think we fell apart at anfield and Birmingham? Both of those games were decided by wrong penalty decisions.
A,
I did not put them on the same shelf quality wise, I just hate the lack of directness, penetration and players with a set of balls big enough to take responsibility…
Please Arsene, buy a couple of players who will give us a bit of shape. What position does Nasri actually play and what is he bringing to our game for such an expensive player? How much longer can Walcott be accommodated? Will Eduardo ever be the player he looked like becoming before that terrible injury? Why give another expensive contract to Rosicky. Vela too. Will he ever come really good? And Diaby. He returns from injury, has 3 or 4 indifferent games, then a good one immediately prior to getting injured again. We surely must be able to do better.
SUGA, methinks not.
Too much credit from one person and not enough credit from another. Learn to comprehend, yet again.
Especially since your basing our upcoming game against them on this performance. SO I said go watch Villa-Burnley. Understand,or are you still confused?
gambon, Brum away was 100% down to the ref. They can’t give a penalty like that in the 93rd minute without being 100% sure. I don’t blame our lads for that. Inept refereeing in England. What else is new?
Goonermichael,
Birmingham away was down to a Clichy mistake, if he’d done his job there wouldnt have been a contentious decision in the first place.
Liverpool was our pathetic ability to hold a lead, and big fat Kolos clumsiness. We had the lead in the tie 3 times, and gave it away 3 times, and were soundly beten in the end. Pathetic.
You didnt answer when the last time we won anything?
He added “It’s too early to really say how long he will be out for but it does look serious. He definitely won’t be fit for Saturday’s game against Hull”
Pat where you get that from??
on Arsenal.com it says “He is injured but for how long I don’t know. It is a hamstring. He will not play on Saturday.”
Nowt about serious?
Pat,
So that explains 2 dropped points late on in 07/08, explain the rest?
I know when we last won something? You think liverpool soundly beat us? I’m off it’s depressing enough watching some of our players without the without being reminded we’ve not won anything or won a big game for 5 years
Pat, whatever…
be realistic – without Cesc we are likely to come out like this:
————Fab (I hope)————–
–Bac——Willy——TV——-Sly—-
—————–Song—————–
——Ramsey————-Diaby———
—Nasri——–Arshy——–Vela——
Villa are quite solid, much better than Burnley…
and like I said before, don’t you ever insult me…
nigdy sie tak do mnie nie odzywaj gowniarzu…
gambon, both the examples were down to poor refereeing. That has nothing to do with us. In big games, refs absolutely have to make the right calls. You can’t blame the team for something the referee does.
Babel dived, clear as daylight.
Clichy got all ball, clear as daylight
Both in the dying minutes of games.
Note the above, the constant injuries, the fixture list, everything and it really does seem like the footballing Gods are against us. Don’t forget that run after the Birmingham game when we were denied a goal at Boro(tied that game), denied a goal at Wigan (0-0), Evra dived for a Hrgreaves free kick at OT, and 2 more which I can’trecall atm. All those happened consecutively.
I cannot think of any team in any league that has such bad luck. All recent champions have had a decent amount of luck, we haven’t.
SUGA, shut up honestly. Its the internet and don’t tell me what to do.
Learn to read and I won’t insult you, simple!
Villa at home is easier than Burnley away. Villa are better AWAY and they were awful against Burnley.
And against Villa, Rosicky, CLichy, and Traore should be back.
A, goal.com
“its the referees fault”
Sounds like a certain french cunt.
goal.com is not worth reading
SUGA3 Burnley have a better home record than Villa’s away record, and we’re much better at home too, so it shouldn’t be as tough as tonight, but won’t be easy certainly.
I assume that’s your team for Hull?
I saw the serious thing on sky sports article, I hope they’ve just been selective and added it in, so Cesc is back against Villa
french cunt?
wanker
Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger said: ‘He is injured, for how long I don’t know. It depends what you call serious? It’s a hamstring. He will not play on Saturday.’
Here’s a different one
Pat,
you’re so simple – ‘Its the internet and don’t tell me what to do’, that is fucking priceless…
yawn…
bored now, Mr Know-It-All…
good night to the rest of you
If Cesc is out against Villa I could see Nasri playing in Cesc’s role rather than Ramsey, with Rosicky taking Nasri’s role in the front three
goonermichael,
yes he’s also a wanker, but i prefer to use cunt.
Ah ok Pat, hopefully he’ll be fine then, Ramsey will be ok home to Hull, but I wouldn’t trust him against Villa
Learn to fucking read. Its not about knowing it all, its about you being clueless.
Pat,
seriously, fuck off…
you’re and idiot, and a rude one for that matter…
Guys, shit result, but don’t turn on each other.
Ahhh, I hate days like today. I was so sure we’d batter them but after we missed those 4 chances, I had a feeling we’d regret it
sorry Pedders
A,
you make a bit of an assumption thinking that TR7 will be fit…
Rosicky, Traore, and Clichy should all be back against Villa.
A, what happened in the 1st minute of the game? I started watching from the 5th and I heard we should have had a pen.
United play Fulham away this weekend.
No Rio, Vidic, Evans, Brown
Carrick and De laet CB pairing apparently. Hope Fulham win. Zamora’s on fire!
Rosicky is borderline whether fit for Hull SUGA
Pat the right back fucked about with the ball, was disposessed by Cesc, who ran into the box from the left, and right right back barged back into him from the side/behind just as he went to shoot, but ref only gave a corner
[...] He may buy, Cesc says he’s going and Owen says he’ll play football tonight. Interesting day today, the boss says he may buy, Arsene, replace ‘may’ with ‘will’ we are on their shoulders [...] [...]
and that’s the ‘borderline’ thing that’s got me worried, A…
we are simply down to bare bones – Denilson and Clichy developed some back injuries, which just never go away properly, Rosicky and Diaby are in and out of the squad on the regular basis, Dudu and Theo have zero confidence in front of the goal, RvP is out, B52 is out…
playing Sly in LB says it all – things are really getting desperate IMO…
Not attacking SUGA3, we’ve had more injuries probably than anyone else ever has this season, but we’ve never been THAT stretched. Even with the injuries we’ve got, we can choose from 2 of Denilson, Song, and Diaby, then Ramsey, Nasri, or Rosicky to replace Cesc, Arshavin, Theo, Eduardo, or Vela in the front three, or Nasri, or Rosicky, whichever one of them doesn’t play in midfield, or both if Ramsey does.
The left back thing is ridiculous though, how can we have 3 left backs out
A,
there must be something wrong about out training methods/diet/whatever – funny thing is that AW does not want our players to bulk up too much, as it would have adverse effect of pace and agility, and then we play crab football, where the pace counts for little and where we could do with some strength to shield the ball a bit better and we would be getting less injuries…
more muscle protects the joints, which results in lesser number of injuries – simple…
back to today’s game – I could not bear to watch their players intercepting our passes due to our players who seem to think they have already ‘made it’ and that the opposition will roll over and let us fuck them over…
shit attitude, methinks – Theo talking crap about defenders being’scared’ says it all…
Right chaps, have a good night, I post at 9 tomorrow!
night Pedro…
I wouldn’t say it’s that at all SUGA3, not training methods or diet or anything like that.
Agile, tricky players get injured more because of their natural body shape, and the style of play we play means our players twist and turn more, and get kicked more.
Though this season all teams have suffered more injuries than usual, look at utd, or chelsea, essien, drogba, vidic, evans, o’shea, none of these are players lacking in muscle….
nitey nite pedro
A,
it is more about the frequency of these injuries – all these players you’ve mentioned have been fit for ages beforehand, no?
I just don’t get what is the point of having just small technical players in the squad – it’s one dimensional and easy to contend IMO…
You know this isn’t sour grapes an all but do you not think that it is mighty bad luck that we get Liverpool away then Burnley away during this busy period and Man Utd, Chelsea and Liverpool get two home games in a row. I mean come on the fixture computer give us a break, we had Sunderland away after the international break where as Man Utd and Chelsea get home games. Hmmm are we seeing a pattern here.
The usual excuses I see.
we should have battered Burnley no matter what, how have we become the team that struggles against relegation fodder? When did it become ok to lose or draw to teams like that?
And I dont give a cunt about their other home results, I’m talking about Arsenal not belting the quim out of Burnley and people accepting it and being able to live with it.
Fuck that.
Just thinking about all the stupid fucking points we’ve dropped makes me despise these cunts that play for us.
Utd, West Ham, Burnley ALL should have been wins.
Sunderland at least a draw.
@Pat
Its been a few hours now. Stop fuming. Don’t really think its fair to call our players cunts.
I guarantee that Fabregas is out until february too.
Our players are mainly bottlers and fucking weeds.
Not sure why Arsenal even bother anymore.
I agree with not calling our players cunts though
Except for Walcott and Almunia, they are both total cunts.
And Diaby is also a cunt. A proper useless cunt.
B52 is a cunt as well.
Eduardo is quickly turning into a cunt as well.
Rosicky…yes losing the ball and refusing to apply himself in attack while getting himself injured for every 5 min he plays on the pitch and trying to sign a contract……yes cunt too.
Silvestre is a manc cunt. and a useless cunting one at that
Bar Arshavin. Bar Cesc.
Theyre all cunts.
Even Gallas and Vermalean. Who i have to say both are so effing erratic with their defending as was the case today it really doesnt help that we have no leadership whatsoever on the pitch.
Oh isnt it great that Theo is on a 5 year contract?
It’s a 5 year Cuntract David
“Damaging Fixtures”
Oh im sorry Mr. Wenger i thought this was Arsenal FC. And i thought we were playing Burnley the 5th place team in the Championship not Barcelona FFS.
We cant beat burnley we arent good enough simple as.
That being said it would be worthy to note that we had a penalty shout turned down and Arshavin hit the post.
But the second half was more dire than the first.
What a load of drivel.
Arsene buy a keeper, striker and three midfielders?
You’re insane.
At least Verm shows a lot of heart. SO does Cesc. The rest are cunts.
So, I was just talking to my pops and he said Arsenal should really consider Adriano in January.
He’s scored 19 goals in 30 games for Flamengo this season to help them lift their first Brazilian Championship title in 17 years. He probably got a decent amount of assists, since he’s that type of forward.
He was a beast in Italy until his personal problems, but maybe Wenger can get the best out of him. He is ready made for the PL, imo. Knows how to use his body, powerful shot, pretty fast, set pieces, etc.
Plus, we need a striker, and Adriano is worth the gamble.
As a side note, he has 27 goals in 47 appearances for Brazil and, according to the rumors, Dunga wants to call him up for the World Cup.
David, I thought we were a bit unlucky, but thats no excuse. Still, if we beat Bolton at home(which is our game in hand), we’re 5 pts behind Chelsea.
We can’t stop believing while we’re still in it. Just hope the players still believe, thats the most important thing.
Theo is shit.
Oh yeah, and Adriano is 27 years old, Arshavin’s age when he came.
Please Wenger, take a risk for once you pussy and I don’t mean a risk a la Bischoff.
Adriano was like Drogba in Serie A. Reignite him. Its a world cup year, he’ll be up for it!
I look at Walcott play and ask myself…. “What the fuck is that guy doing on the pitch.” He contributes about the same as the fucking ball boy standing by the corner flag. He runs off the pitch with the ball, throws the ball to Sagna to take a throw in and goes home to collect 60 grand a week. A stupid, incompetent, feminine player if I’ve ever seen one. Where the fuck are the testicles??
I think Theo just needs a run of games to get his confidence back. He’s still young and every time he gets back to fitness he gets injured again.
Or the useless cunt could do us all a favour and just fuck off.
We’re def not winning the title with this squad.
why dont we win shit ?
because last night we could have got level on points with man U after the GIH .
GIH= game in hand before you ask .
now there is a 2 point rift , which man U will extend , it was up to us to keep pace with them , so yes pat no excuse ..
we create our own destiny ..
an ineffective midfield due to song and diaby
even theo was terrible , cesc looked good until he went off and with that so did ever having a chance at 3 points .
and almunia ..fuckkkkkkkkk!
dont even get me started .. lucky we didnt lose 3-1 !
buy lennon way beeter than walott he is outlet whilw theo is inlet to disaster
“Even Theo”
I’ve been calling him out since…hmm….a long time ago!
I hate the kid. He talks so much but doesn’t have anything to show for it.
ethan, even though Fulham had a tough game today, I still think they’ll draw or beat United at the Cottage this weekend.
No Vidic, no RIo, No Evans, No Brown a mediocre midfield and Rooney.
Zamora is on fire and Fulham are always a tough nut to crack at home.
Fulham 2-0 United if you need a reminder of last seasons result.
Problem is, we need Chelsea to start dropping.
If we’re within 6 pts on Feb. 11th. I will boldly say we have a really, really good chance of winning it. Until then, our players must believe they can win it and we must support them during the games(the fans who actually go, not me =( )
We’re still in it, definitely. We had 4 unbelievable chances to kill the game off yesterday. We must learn how to finish and have that killer instinct. Burnley were really wobbling and a silly tackle from Verm let them back in it
Pat,
thought the philosophy was to outscore opposition if that happens, no?
if we can’t score 2 goals against Burnley, then things are looking very, very dire indeed…
the only team that managed a win there was Blackburn – some giants they are (and they scored three goals)…
How long is Cesc out for?
and I will take a wild guess – Blackburn managed to win thanks to having a few powerful players and determination…
it’s all in the head – Burnley had more determination to compensatefor technical shortcomings, different motivation – playing to stay up against our ‘oh, what the hell, we will finish Top 4 anyway’…
Not. Good. Enough.
I will be fucking fuming if Almunia starts on Saturday.
He is embarrasing at the moment. Luckilly the Linesman got it wrong, otherwise he would have cost us more points last night.
We simply can’t have this situation where regardless of how shit you are playing, you keep your place. It breeds complacency and Almunia is full of it at the moment.
Get Fab in, and let him make the mistakes. At least he has youth on his side and will learn from them….
Hamstring Iceman. I bet he is out for the whole Christmas campaign.
Suddenly Van Der Vaart does not sound like a bad idea.
Either way the midfield at the weekend will include Song, Denilson and Diaby and that frightens me
That’s not good Pat
Wenger will still say Almunia saw the flag and he let it go.
The team is playing poor football. No more we have the beautiful easy on the eye football.
In the last 6 games, we played well only vs Stoke
Eduardo looks an average player this season. Walcott too. Those who say he is young must check his wages.
that is 4 points dropped due to complacency so far – if we miss out on the top spot by 3 points, I will not be pleased…
Not defending por performances, but manure did lose there too.
They’ve done really well at home this season.
So a point isn’t all doom and gloom.
What is is the fact that we could have come back with nothing.
You would think the game at Anfield would have raised their confidence.
Sigh.
I wonder what the AKBs who call him as Lord have got to say about this draw.
Probably they ll say draw at burnley was a great result. And am sure they have a reason for why the third sub was not used and nothing was changed to try and win the game.
Another frustrating performance last night.
Yet again, we have to hope other teams slip up, while we will be praying for a win on sat.
burnley as we know are by far not the best team in the pl, but the total determination of there players was there for all to see and arsenal just do not look like a team who realy gives a shit at the moment.
It’s going to be interesting to see how they cope without fab in the next few games.
It’d be interesting to see how:
Chelsea cope without Drogba and Lampard
United: Rooney and Fletcher
Its always us who have the major injuries to our star players.
On that note, I’m going to sleep. This defeat keeps bothering me. Learn to fucking put the ball in the net when you have a chance ffs!
Good night everyone
Both teams above us and below will drop points in December…..AKB
this is where wengers logic is flawed ,
you have a great potential keeper (fab2)
but play a BUM because he is more senior .
the potential keeper will never get the vital games (experience) he needs to become great whilst the BUM takes center stage .. further hampering the young ones development ?
how does that serve us ?
then i suppose in 2 or 3 years after fab 2 hasnt had any games , he turns into a bit like vito from being over looked , and doubts himself , whilst bozo the clown in between the stick can make royal fuck up after fuck up !
and the season goes balls up in the process !
great youth scheme wenger …
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard-sport/football/article-23785075-misguided-arsene-wengers-losing-his-credibility.do
Great read.
AW sort it out.
You’ve rested on your laurels for far too long.
Does anyone wonder why penalty king Sorensen is at Stoke, very experienced at international level, he may get caught occasionally but nothing like the frequency of our Al.What about Joe Hart? English as well, in the second tightest defence in the Prem with average defenders in front of him,……either one alternating with Fab2 is enough surely. Goalkeepers WIN games, by inspiring confidence in the team. If you are a serial fluffer then the rest of them get the jitters ………
Moving for Sorensen could save AW alot of money and would be one of the smartest moves he would have made.
Hughes just came out yesterday and said they have no intention of selling Hart.
The whoel arsenal team play a bit too feminine for me. even take Galas as an example , when he was at chelsea my impressiomn of him was a very hard man. He comes to Arsenal then starts playing like all of them. When was the last time you saw Galas win a strong tackle , taking both man and ball ? its all nice nice , touch here touch there…we will win nothing this year…..trust me