Comfort food time…
It felt bad last night, this morning, it feels even worse.
I watched the game on my own in a pub in Leicester last night. The first thing I saw when I walked in was Adebayor hugging some of the kids. A very transparent attempt at restoring the Ade-brand that I think was only ever about as reputable as that of an Asbestos salesman.
My pre match thoughts were:
- I was deeply concerned that our coach is arrogant enough to decide what he will and will not take seriously as a competition. I’d understand if he’d been delivering us consistent silverware over the past 3 seasons, but let’s be honest, our trophy cabinet is emptier than Dubai building site. Beggars can’t be choosers and lets not kid ourselves, we’re beggars.
- I was not expecting the kids to beat a very strong team full of proven professionals. The power and experience on offer from Man City was always going to be too much for our boys.
Arsenal knocked it around sweetly for the first few minutes. That play was interrupted when Ade secured first foul of the game after ploughing into Traore. Rocky was looking younger than his 29 years, spraying the ball round like a finely honed sprinkler system.
It didn’t take long for Ade to get the first free header of the night after poor marking from Song. The Togan was being heckled by the away support as expected.
Shortly after the header, Song mistimed a slide tackle that allowed Tevez in. There was a lack of organisation at the back and most of it was down to Song and Eboue.
The kids were resorting to long ball football early on which was interesting. Long ball football is usually the by-product of panic football, or a lack of creativity.
Rambo had the first dig for Arsenal, straight into the legs of Bridge. Shortly after Traore fizzed a cross in that was headed back for the corner. It was nice to know that some of the full backs at our club can cross.
The defence was looking very sloppy, Bellamy hit the post after Traore was easily dispossessed on our byline. Very weak defending. The crazy thing was Silvestre looked our most assured defender.
Eastmond demonstrated why he’s not first choice as Tevez held him off like an older brother holding the head of his younger sibling as the he swings wildly to no avail. This is why young footballers take so long to break into the first team, because of the power difference. I really don’t understand why they don’t go to the gym to bulk up?
Eboue went close after Jack slid him in, he cut it back to avoid the incoming Lescott tackle but meekly shot into Given’s arms.
Song took the ball off the head off Lescott from a good City set piece. The next corner flew in and ans something happened…our keeper came for it despite it being a tough ball! Madness… Keepers can claim the ball outside their six yard box!
Kolo handled a Vela cross. Vela was never going to get the penalty… It’d be like God rolling into Richard Dawkin’s local, and expecting a free packet of crisps with his pint.
Song continued to drop clangers as the half went on. The technique of breaking a few dishes whilst washing up sprang to mind! Surely he’s not going to be happy about being dropped back to 3rd choice defender?
Just before the second half kicked off, the camera cut to Ade patting Eboue on the back, Eboue defiantly shook his head, eyes transfixed on the floor. Fair play Eboue, fair play.
Tevez opened the scoring after Rosicky lost the ball out wide, the Argentine bombed into the box, breezed past Eboue who didn’t get in tight enough, waltzed past the Song who weakly dived in and buried the ball in the top corner. Too easy, far too easy. Our defence was ridiculously deep at times last night.
I knew things were going to go wrong when 4 alchoholics came and joined me in the bar I was in. I’m like a retard magnet when I’m having a bad day…
Arsenal continued to plug away. Vela did well to play Rambo in, shame about the lack of composure from the Welshman as he blasted over.
City broke unexpectedly, Song stood rooted, Fabianski did well to put Ade off. My Sunday League team would have reacted quicker. Die for the cause mentality loses its meaning when the coach fucks the competition off as a development exam.
Merida floated a half volley cross, Rambo was unlucky to head wide.
City’s second goal came when SWP flw down the wing, cut inside and unleashed an amazing outside of the boot spectacular into the top corner. A fabulous goal, but to be expected when you’re playing at the highest level and you give top players too much time on the ball.
The final nail in the coffin came when some Eastern European player turned in a cross. By this point, I was so disinterested, I couldn’t be bothered to write his name down.
A disappointing game from a selection point of view, but not unexpected. Did Wenger really think his kids would head into that game with any sort of belief? They were sacrificed in some sort of defiant showing by a coach who is so single minded, it’s embarrassing. If getting spanked by better players is good for your development, then last night was a resounding success. All last night proved to me is that Arsenal don’t have a winning mentality and our kids aren’t that amazing.
If you don’t want to read a rant, look away now.
Arsene-al football club appear to have lost their way over the past few years. They seem to have forgotten who has allowed them to develop the club into a hugely profitable organisation… the fans. We’re the ones who put a high percentage of our cash into the club, more than any other fans, yet we’re only afforded two competitions as a priority.
Football is there for the fans, like it not, we’re the mugs who power the merry-go-round. Arsenal is not there to grease the pockets of young men, their agents and the hierarchy. If the development of a player is in conflict with the winning of a trophy… screw the player. Do you think I care, as one of the 90 percent of the population on sub 50k a year whether or not a player makes it after 3 years?
Do I fuck.
If I don’t deliver after 6 months in my role, I’m out on my ass. Do I get 3 years to develop? Not a chance. Theo does though, he doesn’t deliver and he gets a new 60k a week deal for 5 years based on what he might do.
The whole youth set up is a farce… the model is grossly flawed and I’m sick of it. It’s not even about the money… If someone earns 60k a week and they deliver me success, I’m happy. We’re dishing out 100million a year to serial under achievers. Put that number in perspective, that’d employ you 4348 people on an average 23k a year salary. Or 8872 people on minimum wage. That’s a hell of a lot of money funding something which from a sporting perspective is not working.
It’s time we took back our club, demanded value for money and got over our obsession for a coach who has clearly become complacent in the extreme.
Arsene, time to accept that your old policy of spending money was a good one. Time to accept that every player from the invincibles was a purchase bar Cole and Parlour. Time to think about something other than the clubs profit margins, and your hideously inadequate ideology. Time to grow up when you get out played and stop acting like a petulant child. It’s not Mark Hughes fault he took the game seriously.
Arsene, for an intelligent man, you’re incredibly reactionary. Why don’t we ever make a proactive signing? Why don’t we ever replace players like for like? Why have we now given up on replacing players full stop?
I’ll make a prediction. When Gallas or Vermaelen get injured, we’re going to be in alsorts of trouble because the cover isn’t adequate, just like it hasn’t been for the last 4 seasons. Why doesn’t out coach address that? We’ll all be sitting here in July blaming injuries to one of those two for our demise in February when in actual fact, we should be blaming our manager for not making the correct decisions with his squad. He has the money, there is no excuse for oversights that are so glaringly obvious, 90% of the fanbase can see them.
Grovers, I don’t like writing stuff like this, but seeing us piss away another trophy that the coach had not right to dismiss hurts. The fans who travelled up there should be refunded for that display and the coach should apologise.
The only people who seem to be getting any value out of the club are the staff. Bloated long-term contracts for accepted mediocrity that the fans are supposed to be thankful for! Lovely…
All I ask is that we compete. We’ve not managed to sustain a Premiership challenge past March for years. Not good enough. As Mourinho once said, how many managers could deliver so little success and still be safe in their job?
A total lack of respect for the fans seems to be running through the club at the moment and I’m not happy.
This is our club and I want it back.
Le Grove is now smart phone compatible!
Pedro
Geoff
Our manager is a disgrace in more ways than one!!
WAAAAAH!!
Oh taig you little fucker
Thanks Peds.
Top 5…
Morning all.
Top 10
Chipo – Sorry pal!
I didn’t watch the game last night and just about managed to watch the goals on SSN this morning. So I feel safe in saying that Song proved he definitely isn’t a center back then!!
Also I listened to that petulant cunt Wenger say how his kids aren’t ready to play that level of football yet!! WELL STOP FUCKING PLAYING THEM WENGER!!!! You fucking chose to go down this route so you should take the responsibility you selfish twat!!!! Have some fucking dignity and grace for once in your self-obsessed life!!
Top post and so, so right, you would think I wrote it.
Great post!! the rant was brilliant!!
We all knew we weren’t going to beat Chelsea on Saturday and we wasn’t going to win last night!! That is a sad state of affairs for a club like arsenal!! We have gone backwards and nothing is being done about it!!
We have a quad of light weight midgets!! Some of are not good enough and a lot of them are to injury prone!!
Wenger will never change so he has to go in my opinion!!
Arsene Wenger is such an embarrassingly sore loser. He is delusional, myopic and doesn’t like addressing his shortcomings…..Arsenal should stop dwelling on his glorious past and i hope the Arsenal Board sees this soon and appoint him Director of football or something, and bring us Mourinho…in Arsene I have lost my trust but i am still a Gooner for life. You AKB before you shout profanities to me and asking me to go and support Chelsea, take a good look at yourselves first. We are slowly but surely turning into a bunch of losers. Its getting ridiculous; Arsene must only start building teams when he has successfully, front to back, built a team that has actually achieved something! He has not done that. In the past as he used to buy players..At some stage he must start show consistency and set an example that the most important thing is winning trophies NOT feeding his best youth coach ego.
Arsene has grown too big for his boots and he is far far far far too stubborn to see that he is breaking millions of hearts worldwide. When you’ve not won a trophy for four years, why pick a weakened team when you’re just three games away from a final? We Arsenal fans want silverware now, rather than the promise of a golden era of kids coming through in a few years time. No matter how insignificant it may seem to him. Surely the days when Arsene Wenger could count the Carling Cup as an unwanted distraction, a drain on resources, while chasing the title, and the Champions’ League, have gone….
FRANK RIJKAARD ANYONE!
Arsenal v Chelsea (Last Sunday)
Boys v Men
Man Shitty v Arsenal Reserves (Last night)
Men v Babies
Does anyone see him accepting defeat and changing?
I really don’t.
Just being a relaist.
Wenger said ‘If I don’t play them here where would I play them’ Try the fucking youth team.
Anyway, do I care where you play them?
Your job is to compete for silverware, not to make a lot of mediocre kids rich.
Time to shape up or ship out Wenger. You don’t own Arsenal, we do.
Wow nice post Pedro – got my blood pumping! Can’t help but agree. It seems the line between genius and madness is getting more and more fuzzy.
Great rant Pedro, my sentiments exactly, well almost I only get to watch from the comfy couch
I might get shat on by people now but I’d take Maureen now the way I’m feeling.
Taig – to be honest i thought Song and Silvestre were two of our best players last night.
I’m so fucking angry this morning!! Another fucking year down the pan! Now we just have to wait for all those AKB’s to come on here and tell us we still have the FA Cup and Champs League to aim for! Get a fucking grip!
My anger is made worse by listening to cunts write into SSN and say he was right not to shake Hughes’ hand and then have the audacity to say that stupid fucking line I wish had never been invented: In Arsene We Trust!! I want to make it abundantly clear that I do not trust him!!
6 years people! 6 fucking years! Liverpool want Rafa gone after 1 year of poor results!! That may be pushing it but so is 6 fucking years!!
Lala no fuck will shout at you on here, I agree with you and wouldn’t mind Frank at all, good call.
By the way, no one answered during the game but that looked a lot like an elephants foreskin wrapped round Togo’s head.
Lala
So thats you & me for Maureen then
anymore takers 
And I have to congratulate Hughes on making Wenger look like a complete muppet! He played the game perfectly on and off the pitch and it was nicely rounded off with a little wave down the tunnel!
Pedro top post mate, just how I feel, I came on to read, didn’t plan to post anything today, but well done, great post.
QTE
Geoff Says:
December 3, 2009 at 09:54
Top post and so, so right, you would think I wrote it.
UNQTE
Have to agree with that. Actually made my day, my mood is 100 times better now than before reading this comment, thanks Geoff.
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK (Delivered as a loud and creeching Screem)
100% agree, if we were playing the kids and it us was that was 5 points clear at the top then fair enough but its not… he better not fuck the FA cup off cos, it’ll probably be our best chance this year.
expect us to beat stoke and hear an incredible amount of the usual “mentality, spirit, intelligence” bullshit from the “manager”
Ha, ha nice one Duke!
where do i even start from? wenger’s behaviour is very cunting
he doesnt even have the courtesy to mix the team up better and leave the likes of fabregas nasri sagna on the bench
we only have 3 key first team injuries. if we had enough quality cover in the first place we wouldnt have to be this desperate
Pedro very good post that.
Without sounding patronising (I hope!), thats a good collection of balanced arguments and statements that even I as an AKB can fully understand and mostly agree with.
I say it again….very good post.
Lets hope the message is not lost on the ‘Wengers a c**t’ brigade. The WAC’s..??
Geoff and Lala. In all respect to You guys, even I would have won 2 La Liga trophys and a CL with that Barca squad. Especially if I would be playing against Wenger’s team in the final. Rijkard is just average. Why don’t splas the cash and bring Hiddink or even Mourhinio to the Club? Because the have managed chelski? Come one guys.
*splash
Chelsea Lost so theyll focus on the league now.
Thats for the wankers who say I dont see the positives.
If anyone wants to know the right kind of attitude for a game like this or how Wenger should have treated it then just read the comments of Neil McDonald and Pal Robinson of Blackburn Rovers. All they do is talk about the game in terms of being a game away from Wembley! Thats how Wenger should think about it! Not that its a good game to see how shit our youth players are!!
Morning all, completely agree Pedro.
Lala, a question was put on le grove before this season started asking who we would want if wenger did go and he was the man i said i would want. My problem with Arsene/Arsenal is that i don’t have a clue where we are going at the moment. We haven’t gone backwards as per say but we are not going forwards either, we are possibly the only club in the prem that is stood still right now and the longer it continues the further away from a trophy we will go.
we have missed out on 21 trophies in the past 4 years and yet we do not regard the carling cup
Mourinho used the carling cup as a spring board to winning the league in 2005. Fergie took the competition seriously in that same period when he went 3 years without the league. the win was followed by 3 straight league titles and european cup and a carling cup trophy.
now united are over 25% guaranteed to win the trophy with chelsea crashing out
Ben & Jerrys -chunky monkey is the best fucking ice cream in the world.
I have an idea. Send ur thoughts to Arsene@arsenal.com, ArseneWenger@arsenal.com, arsene.wenger@arsenal.com, Wenger@arsenal.com, Manager@arsenal.com, FuckingStubbornCunt@arsenal.com
One of them has to be his Email.
A&N, no way… ben and jerrys cookie dough is the best.
some great points there pedro. we need that big bosnian hulk up front. Behind, him a huge athletic intimidating midfielder, behind him a dominant, speedy right footed centre half to partner tv long-term, and behind him an established, experienced international goalkeeper. And at least one of those has got to be a leader. Fucking get it sorted wenger.
Great fucking post, Pedro. I’ve been calling for this skinny-arsed French spin-doctor’s dismissal for at least three years now. Not that the fat-cats would heed those calls, of course, they’re too busy sucking Wenger’s you know what.
This man has singlehandedly destroyed his fantastic legacy by stubbornly refusing to heed the advice of those who know about football, former greats and the like, doling out fat contracts to wannabes and has-beens.
I’d been willing to pay for his certification into a loony bin for some free therapy. He has ultimately and absolutely LOST THE PLOT.
Go now before we end up on the footballing scrapheap – you cocksucker.
There is no excuse for not shaking a mangers hand after the game!! Only one person looked stupid and that as Wenger!!
absolutely spot on. a complete disgrace but so inevitable. i bought 2 bonds on the second hand market 10 years ago but sold them in the summer because i was so fed up with what was happening and i was also worried that the price was going to fall completely after another season or two like the last. best decision i made
I don’t think last nights result is the problem. I thought the kids stood up pretty well on the whole, but of course they were always going to tire in the 2nd half. Thats why top managers like Ferguson & Mourinho keep a strong bench when they make numerous changes.
Where it has become completely disrespectful to the fans is that Wenger cannot see that having been humiliated by Sunderland & then Chelsea he still goes ahead & throws another match.
I am also deeply concerned that the club continues this policy of paying millions on kids that cannot even feature for us. I think it’s 3 or 4 South Americans we have either bought or are concluding deals for (Zizinho, Wellington, Martinez & one other who I cannot remember), yet none of them can join us despite having paid between 2 & 5 million for each. They’ll have to go to Spain or elsewhere for the next 2-3 years, which is a complete waste of the clubs resources, especially considering its us the fans paying for it.
Gazidis & Wenger said we have to win a trophy this season, lets see how they back themselves out of that one. The league has gone & we have no chance in the champions league.
The Mourinho bandwagon is growing. Does he read Le Grove I wonder. Come on Special One, we need a really, really, really special favour
Pedro i just sent your post to a Spud friend and this was the response:
“I want to meet this guy, absolutely 100% spot on…”
I don’t know if that’s good or bad!
AW for le chump
This is our club and I want it back…too true.
Excellant post, think it sums up how most of us are feeling.
Maciek, who was Wenger before he came to Arsenal?
Sharkey try WTTPOOTF, that stands for Wenger’s taking the piss out of the fans.
Pronounced woot-pooft.
I think he thinks he is bigger than football, not to shake hands with Hughes smacks of being a spoilt brat, if he wanted to win he should have played the first team.
My Scouse mate just mailed this…
‘Have we accepted Arsenal were in fact flattering to deceive earlier in the season??’
He said back in September we were going to collapse.
I hate that cunt… smarmy cunt.
Does he not think the fans deserve a day at Wembley!!
i dont see things getting much better any time soon either…we’ve got horrible fixtures almost all the way through till the middle of feb!!!
i fucking hope that bullshit merchant gazidis is getting busy sorting out a few deals to be concluded on the 2nd of jan.
”I’m like a retard magnet when I’m having a bad day…”
Seriously tho,
Top post Pedro, almost Geoff-like!
Spare a thought for the mob that made the trip up north to watch another 3-0 pasting.
pedro… hard to disagree though right now aint it??
the only reason we were happy is cos we hit a good bit of scoring form and were able to ignore all the conceded goals
Wenger shows no respect for the fans and now other managers. He is a petulant, sore loser and wallows in his self delusional little world. The worst thing that could have happened was the unbeaten season. He said it could happen, it did, and now he thinks all he has to say “I am conwinced” and we all bow down in awe.
The whole youth “thing” seems more and more irrelevant as time goes on. I can’t see that 2 or 3 games in the Carling Cup each year will really make the difference in experience but I understand that buying and selling young players is a cash-cow so I guess it will go on. I wasn’t surprised that our reserve team lost to an expensively assembled team like Man City really but the messages it sends out is bad, bad, bad. To be successful today costs massive money and we all know that Wenger isn’t going to go that way because, even when there is serious funding available he won’t spend it. He must be the only manager in the world with this philosophy. Personally I am not slightly interested that we are on the verge on buying another 17 or 18 year old. In any job, when you start to make mistakes you are heading for trouble. When you repeat those mistakes year after year you have lost it and need a change of scenery. Is it time for a change or will Arsene change? I think that history tells us the answer to that one.
Chipo – Tough call that one but Hiddink just pipped Jose for me!!
How can anyone still be behind Wenger blows my mind. I just can’t understand it.
If I was set targets at work, and I didn’t reach it in a year but came close, maybe I would be given a 2nd chance for the 2nd year. But if for 6 years I wouldn’t even come close to reaching my targets how could I be kept on?
To answer my own question, we see exactly what targets the board has.
Wenger has to go, he should finish this season and just leave. He should also tell the board he is leaving now, so we can start looking for a new manager now. So he can start work as soon as the League finishes in May.
Franchise – “over 25% guaranteed” lol
That’s like the line in Anchorman – 60% of the time, it works every time….
He should have shaken hands. It shows a lack of class and pettiness. Agreed Hughes is a ditry f*cking cnut, but he shouldnt have stooped to his level.
”If I don’t deliver after 6 months in my role, I’m out on my ass. Do I get 3 years to develop? Not a chance. Theo does though, he doesn’t deliver and he gets a new 60k a week deal for 5 years based on what he might do.”
…just read that to my boss
f*cking brilliant
Pedro, the scousers are in a worse position. Behind us in the league, out the CL, out the CC (by being beaten by our youth team). They are as good as bankrupt, so at least our position is only bad on the pitch, their’s is bad all over.
Maciek @ 10.03 – Hiddink? Are u kidding? He is just an average manager. Look at his achievements (???) below,
1. Failed to guide Russia to World Cup Finals next year after being manager for many years.
2. When he came in at Chelsea, they were 3rd in the EPL and they still finished 3rd at the end of the season.
3. Champions League semi final exit against Barca, not good enough. Avram Grant came closer to win it.
4. The only cup he won was the FA Cup which he achieved by winning only 3 games, even Phil Brown could do that if he was Chelsea manager.
What has happened to our club? We used to have tall, powerful players who were leaders!! Adams, Keown, Vieira, Petit, Henry NOW LOOK AT US!! It’s a disgrace!! Wenger is ruining the club!!
duke… he’s reached all his targets mate…
finish 4th,
make money on transfers,
then every summer convince the fans we’ll spend when we wont.
After last night, I can’t wait for Wenger’s sneering disregard for us fans when he concedes an early exit from the FA Cup.
Pedro
Great, great post
Something needs to be done
This is :…..the smallest, most spineless, overpaid(highest paid) least bothered, coward like, embarrassing, tackle free, effort free, gutless, least physical, shot shy, header shy, contact shy, ridiculous, most 5 a side like, tipy fucking tappy PATHETIC Arsenal team that I have ever seen ( since Arsenal 0 Westham 0 actually in 1968 as a kid in the Clockend ) I have even stopped caring which is really sad as for most of us Arsenal is a hue huge part of our lives
What can we do ?????
I say let’s start a movement to get him out – this club is being ruined – from a great London institution – to a Franco-Spanish team meant for WHAT ?? – WE WANT OUR ARSENAL BACK
And Rosicky can fuck right off with all this ”I want a new contract” bollocks.
What kind of fucking example were you setting to the youngsters yesterday by losing the ball on the edge of your area, not chasing back, and just standing there watching as that ugly little fuck put the ball in the top corner!!
The problem at the end of the day can be solved by the fans!! If no one complains then why would Wenger feel any pressure or feel the need to change things up?? I guarantee at the next game someone will be hanging the ‘In Arsene We Trust’ banner!! Until the fans start to make a stand nothing will change!!
I know what will happen though!! We will finish 4th, have a good cup run the champions league and fa cup and maybe make the semi’s then wenger will say ‘see we have the qualitiii’
I don’t care if he shakes Hughes hand or not. Never liked Hughes as a player, cant stand him as a manager, never liked his smarmy media love me, I’m a traditional down to earth manger bullshit. if he wanted respect from Arsene he should not have spent so much time slagging him of during the match and on various other occasions. Or forth that matter slagging of fab4 I would not shake his hand so cannot see why i expect Arsene to do it.
that banner needs burning!!
GMR i like the positive thinking but we’ve also got to aim higher than say at least we’re better off than the bindippers. it might be true, but all is NOT well, the fans want to be first. we’ve gone backwards, we’ve got to invest, wenger’s got to be delusional to not recognise this.
Gbenga – I have never seen more woeful defending than Song v Tevez for that 1st goal!! Absolutely shocking!!
TAIG… i dont think we matter to be honest mate, the only way to get heard to is to not turn up.
when people tell him to spend he comes with ‘i trust these players, we will win something im sure’ and ‘in england everyone thinks the answer is to spend’
i think the problem is that he is so convinced he knows best that he cant be told anything any more… we need dein back, he’s the only one who seems to be able to get through to him
someone should get hold of the ‘arsene knows’ banner and write ‘fuck all anymore’ underneath it
TAIG,
Yeah and the normal ”one Arsene Wenger” song will go round the ground as usual to boost his ego!
Best part of a grand I’ve spent to sit through another season of we competed, we’re developing, almosts, if onlys and if it wasnt for the injuries bollox!
ATom – I’m with you on the Dein thing but at the same time he is very chummy with Wenger would and could he turn him around??
Top post
I feel exactly the same way. I personally think that if AW remains as manager of this club for to much longer, things will get even worse. Most people probably think that Arsenal will pick up 3 points against stoke on sat, but i would not be surprised if it ended up a draw or worse. Remember Hull anyone? The team have lost all confidence and don’t even look capable of scoring goals at the moment, but more than capable of conceding and who has the confidence that stoke won’t score on sat?
Pundits say we lack leadership in the team and they are right, but who is to blame for that………AW of course.
Odub – If I was a season ticket holder I’m pretty sure I would have been banned and beaten up by now!! I wouldn’t be able to contain my anger!!
Gbenga,
Coming on here to defend song after his performance yesterday is just pathetic! He didnt play well full stop, please see his defending for the first goal.
Let me guess, you felt the need to come on to defend a fellow African brother right?
Dave T… fuck hughes, he spent the whole game shouting swearing and trying to bully arsene, always in his technical area.
wenger’s been wrong not to shake hands before but on this occasion i agree with him.
plus he clearly hates him because they are the complete opposite of us as a club and them beating us just makes his policy look even more flawed
You didn’t seem to mind Wenger playing the kids when they beat Liverpool. I remember your post being very positive about playing the youth players for the League Cup.
Hello All,
Pedro,
Good post,The post explains the frustration of fans..
Pedro/Geoff
But i dont understand, the meaning when u guys say that “the club is ours”
Surely the club is NOT OURS ANYMORE,
The Club owners are the people who own ArsenalFC.
ArsenalFC is not a club, it is a Company NOW…so i dont think U,us fans can do anything about that…
Since we FANS DO NOT OWN THE CLUB,The best the fans can do is Mass Boycott for a X number of years/months of all matches,WHICH I DOUBT WOULD HAPPEN…
Hence i dont think we can say,club is ours,and we want it back,
because as far i see, Arsenal FC Club is a company,and is NOT OURS ANYMORE,it is OF CLUB OWNERS,
so Bottomline is,in this scenario, we all Put up with this shit shrewd clumsy way of transfers or generate new hobbies
Willy Wonker Wenger will only go if he wants to, coz know one is game enough to oust him. Unless Kroenke has plans
ATom – It worked though didn’t it! And you cannot disregard someone just for having different tactics. Sometimes you just have to be a man and admit defeat fair and square. Hughes was trying to get under his skin and you know what, it worked! It will also give him and his City side a massive confidence boost for the next time we play them!
TAIG i reckon so, i reckon he could sit down with him and talk honestly and maybe a little harshly about the team and he’s got the respect from wenger where as everyone else gets brushed aside as not knowing as much as him.
wenger wont give a shit what gazidis says about 4th not being good enough and all that shit cos they all fucking love him too much to back it up with anything
SP – re leaders I think we had about (no exaggeration) eight captains last season. Wenger thinks that shows we have leaders. weird conclusion
got to say we are such bad loosers and that includes me.
For a long time I have disagreed with the abuse Wenger gets but he is beginning to piss me off to the point after 52 years of watching Arsenal of not watching another game while we have to watch a bunch of over paid no heart for a fight players who do not care about wearing the shirt but only the money and continually come out with dumb quotes.
In my youth i would have played for them for nothing but just pride.
I would not like to go to war with this bunch you would end up on your own.
Something is very wrong at Arsenal and it always appears at the same time every year watch the body language of Wenger and Rice enough said all gone wrong since Dein was sacked trace it back and you will see waht I mean he was Mr Arsenal
zee – it wasn’t positive thinking. I just don’t get why Pedro would take abuse from a scouser considering their predicament. If it was a chelsea, Man utd or even spud supporter I could understand it but not a scouser.
Mike – We all accepted the kid splaying against Liverpool because they had 137 first team injuries and we knew it would be kids v kids! Everyone knew this wasn’t going to be the case against a strong and physical City side!
GMR – with you, sorry bein thick missed your pt
TAIG, very true, and to be fair ive done it allot myself when playing (winding up), but dont forget to take into account that hughes is a former dirty manc & barca cunt!! not to mention he loves ade!
GROOVERS…HERE IS A COPY OF AN EMAIL THAT WAS SENT TO ME BY MY RETARTED COUSIN. HE CLAIMS TO BE A GOONER THRU AND THRU…SOME SILLY STUFF
“we are the arsenal and arsene is our God. what arsene has achieved on such a tight budget is a miracle. the man is a professor. i feel offended by your comments on Le-Grove. if u are not happy go support manure or chelski. football is not just about winning, its much more than that. i mean at the end of the day we are all going to die so we all loose one way or the other.
“
ATom – It is the route cause of all our problems right now. Wenger is Arsenal at the moment until someone like Kroenke (who hopefully has a pair) fires a rocket up his arse!!
Gbenga, you are smart mate, I am binning you, not for having a biased opinion about a shit player, it the bad mouthing that gets you banned you prick.
Wait until you pay to see a game before you give us your opinion on who we should and shouldn’t like.
ATom – All fair points!
Gbenga, no one will ban you if you say what you think in a polite manner, which you did. But you can’t believe Song was any good last night, he has improved, he had some good games against shite teams. But yesterday he was poor. A 10 year old knows you stand up in the box and not dive into Tevez like he did.
Our manager made a mockery of himself.Why field a very youthful side,is it pride or what? Is arsenal a club or a football school?
As long as we have these 3 people on the pitch, we will keep losing
Eduardo upfront
Almunia who lack communicate with his CB
Fabianski who makes all wrong decisions and a mess.
Sabeel – Who pays to run the club? The fans. End of.
Aged gooner welcome aboard, you are now free to blog.
How you fail to mention sylvestres mediocrity is beyond me! His display was embarrassing
I am not going to get angry with wenger or shout wenger out, but I do think that maybe its time that wenger sat down and took a long hard look at what he is doing. If he cant make fundamental changes to his approach then he needs to decide to leave. lets face it, the board wont sack him.
but wenger in developing a team of small young players, who are very skillfull and tricky he is trying to do something that will never win silverware. its a very flawed strategy. might work in France or Holland, but this is England. the toughest league in the world and very physical.
Teams like Spurs, villa and City are right behind us and know how to compete in this league.
Do I see wenger changing? No. he will stick with this strategy until the bitter end. And the end will be bitter for us fans.
Bergkamp and Bouldie could take over at least in the short term.
john – “Is arsenal a club or a football school?”
Top fucking comment and a simple point well made!!
Lala, your cousin needs help.
TAIG, do you reckon stan will though? i think he’ll look to get on side with the fans by keeping wenger cos so many of them are his sheep… i really dont want wenger to go i just want him to change a bit. its such a shame he’s undoing all the good he’s done by being so stubborn
I guess whatever happens I’m going to have to read about it coz I’ve lost faith in Wenger World, & will take leave from all this frustration.
Adios Grovers. Bring in Maureen, @ least he likes to have expensive things bought for him.
Don’t let it get to you all, its only a game
Oskar – I think its just accepted as the norm! Like I said earlier I didn’t watch the game but from what I have heard he was shocking right?? And that only serves to anger me more when I remember that players like Gilberto and Bergkamp had to fight tooth and nail to get even a one year extension on their contracts!! Another sign of Wenger losing the plot!!
I want Wenger out asap, he is beyond clueless. I seriously cannot stand that I already know we will crumble in the QF/SF stages of the cups, and finish a good 20 points off the league.
I used to be his biggest fan, but now i just think he’s a cunt, and what is worrying is that a lot of us gooners now feel the same.
I have said since day 1 that this pathetic kids policy cant work, its a fundamentally flawed way of trying to achieve success.
Arsene, thanks for the first 10 years, now fuck off.
tony,
re-read my last post,
fans paying the club,doesnt make them owners of the club..
fans dont have any control on the club working,decisions
where is the control of the club??? fans or the Club oweners???
I will not judge AW on basis of what the kids do, but I will tho on how the team performs in the league and the cl.
The kids were at fault for letting the occassion get to them. They should have applied themselves better.
Defense wise we are so so weak its astonishing all we havent gone into the transfer market for a world class defender or a world class midfielder.
Either that or we need a defensive coach. Wanting to be barca without Messi, Henry, Eto is madness.
The league story is completely different though.
to be fair i haven’t really got the hump about last night, the carling cup is a piece of shit trophy only the spuds celebrate, im still fucked off about the sunderland and chav games
I thought Fabianski was brilliant last night. did not put a foot wrong (maybe one cross in the first half which he missed but sailed harmlessly out of play). but he is a top top keeper. at least we have sorted out the keeping position as long as he stays fit. Almunia must not get the position back.
Our great young players who will not make it at arsenal. Carlos the lightweight vela. Fran merida. And that cunt silvestre. Our bench was a disgrace considering were out of title race and aint playing a proper game in europe for 3 months. Look at chelseas bench last nite. It had quality to bring off if needed. I’ve had it with this bollocks
he didnt shake hands cos he is seriously losing it. Hughes respected the competition and more importantly the fans – wenger you’re 60 years old for fuck’s sake. show some class.
ATom – I used to say that but now I think its too late for him to undo all he has done! We all know how stubborn he is and he would find it impossible to go against all he has preached before! I’m presuming that you Stan would probably keep him onside and that is why we heard the stories of Wenger wanting Kroenke to buy up the shares and that he wouldn’t work under Usmanov!!
Mark Hughes is a cunt.
Ikon we aren’t annoyed about last night, we are annoyed about the last 5 years.
Tom he has gone beyond stubborn, he is now obsessed with young boys, it’s just got silly now, and the money he spends on them is nuts.
Most of them are no better than ordinary.
agreed A&N. but shake hands with the cunt
Pedro, great post mate. Agreed with everything…..
I am pro AW but, it is hard to defend when we dont treate a cup seriously when we haven’t won anything in 5 years !
As for not shaking Hughes’ hand after the match, this is not the first time AW has done this. Its not right. If he is really that upset about getting beat then why did he play alot of youth team players???? Doesn;t make sense. Man C had their first choice team out……
There is one huge problem tho if Wenger leaves !!! We will have players that would not play well under other managers. Alot of them are on long term contracts.
Can you imagine Maureen’s relationship with our board.
That would be worth the season ticket alone! haha.
Hey, remember when we used to look forward to Arsenal games? Thems the days, eh?
We’ve not scored in 3 games now. Have you seen how many goals Stoke have conceded this season? Just putting that out there!
Sabeel – You are misunderstanding what people mean when they say it is the fans’ club. Without the fans there is no club. They would have zero money. It couldn’t sustain itself. No one is saying we actually own the club. Its that simple. The fans, at any club, are the most important people.
WENGER PLEASE BUY OSCAR CARDOZO FROM BENFICA
http://www.skysports.com/opinion/story/0,25212,16708_5733925,00.html
Very hurt gooner at the mo. Something has to change and quickly, be it our transfer ploicy or do I dare say it, change of manager
All the players are the same, they have flair abut no bite, grit. needs mixing up in the side.
3 defeats, no goals, 7 against is not good reading
Not happy!
Tom if we won it I bet you’d be delighted, I know I would, the same teams compete for it as the one’s in the FA cup, I bet the Mancs are looking forward to the semi’s.
yeah usmanov would sign up a load of players for the fans and wenger would walk.
stan needs to go half way between to 2 and ask who he really wants, money no object cos it obvious that the team has weaknesses. what wenger would do is hard to know though!
didnt he say if we dont win in the next 2 years he had to accept his policy had failed and he’d start to rebuild?
Megson has joined the handshake debate,now watch all of the northern monkeys join in to give us a lecture on etiquette and principles.
Ooooohh what a a super-human achievement…Moneychester Shitty is waaay over their blue moon and moronic Hughes is pouting cuz Wenger would not shake his hand….buuu fuckin’ huu!! What was he doing in Wengers techincal area anyway? So what..multi billionaire Shitty beat our baby team 3-0..big deal. Our babies made AdeBARNdoor the invisible man. The only thing he managed was a half assed header straigh into Fabianski hands.
Shitty & Sparky are so desperate to to get some silverware that they fielded their first XI against our babies. They know that this is their one and only chance of sliverware this season.
We wont win the league, why? because the chavs wont drop 11 points and we win all our remaining games FACT!
To win the CL we’ll have to beat 1 or 2 of RM,Barca and the 2 english teams left in the competition. Goodluck with that.
FA Cup it is then, as long as the draw favours us!
It’s December and all we’ve got to look forward to is an FA Cup run, and finishing in the top 4! Great!
I AM – “Can you imagine Maureen’s relationship with our board.
That would be worth the season ticket alone! haha.”
Ha ha, hell yeah it would!
That would be one short relationship! 
Three losses in a row does little to restore the faith.
Excellent post Pedro, your thoughts echo those of the majority of gooners, that far more could be done but isn’t for the sake of an ideology. The other day Gnarley compared Wenger’s system to communism. In many ways, it feels like that, that we are trapped into one way of doing things, try and think of ways of fixing things instead of developing new things. But after three losses, it will. Being objective, in the games we won and during our winning streak, we played some great football, but put one foot wrong and we’re on a losing streak which is down to a lack of personell. I don’t think Wenger has ever had to deal with back to back 3-0 losses.
I am all for youth, but I believe in natural development, like Barca, they also have a flourishing youth academy yet manage to stay competitive. It’s too much to constantly ask the fans to back what we know are giffen goods ie. players which are not the best we can get.
Anyone who wants Mourinio to become our manager is an idiot.
Let’s hope Real Madrid come knocking on AW’s door again! and this time he buggers off
A&N – He should have shaken his hand. Simple. All he has done now is let Hughes get under his skin! I bet we lose our next game with them!!
tony
that is what exactly i am saying,
we fans are NO longer the Most important people of Arsenal FC “company” ..
This is the reason why,with mass criticism amongs arsenal fans, the shrewd transfer policy is being carried out..
We Fans are now just the cow,which has a brand name of Arsenal FC,which are being milked by these investers….
surely a couple of 10 million investement in transfer wont make the club bankrupt..
Morning all, I’m trying to see whether any of us were going overboard on how well we were doing a month ago and if how we feel today is equally overboard the other way.
Had we exaggerated our potential for a title tilt while we were knocking the goals in during October?
Equally are we exaggerating the effect of 3 domestic defeats? For me I feel the manner of the defeats is the problem. Had we competed well with the best team selections available to us I would not feel quite as sick as I do today. As for the lack of hand shaking from Wenger- I don’t give a rat’s furry arse about that. Wenger has bigger problems to address than some perceived breach of post match etiquette.
I can only look to the Chavs defeat for some comfort and that some injuries may have been aggravated during extra time and penalties.
Captain Flak, we do, that’s why we write a blog, let me know what your one is called and I’ll go and have a read.
Maximus – “skinny-arsed French spin-doctor”
Hilarious…in a WTF way.
Completely irrational and pretty pointless. Take a cue from Pedro’s eloquence in the post.
SORRY OSCAR CARDOZO YOU TUBE CLIP
geoff… dont get me wrong id be happy but it wouldn’t make the season, we’re supposed to be a “big club” for me that means we should be winning one of the other 3, or at least in the final of one of the cups. going out of the carling cup is the norm for us.
i agree about the transfer thing though, all the money still being spent on kids goes to show that we’ve either got a shit load more than we think or he has no intention what so ever of changing his ways. hopefully its the former
Fuck me Geoff how’d you build a career in marketing when you reject WAC for wootpooft or whatever it was.
I thought your business was to encapsulate, penetrate, engage, ingrain etc.
Wootpooft doesn’t really do that…does it!!!
it is a good time for a change of manager. we seem to have quite a bit of money and the bulk of the investment off the pitch in things like the flats has come to an end. there could be a new owner by the summer too.
I wonder if Kroenke/Gazidis would sack wenger? I hope they would.
wenger has seen us through some tough times financially speaking, so we must be grateful to him for that. but now Arsenal needs to move on, because he clearly cannot.
I thought he looked terrible last night as well. Let him go before we kill him!
I know it’s as hypothetical as it gets, but let’s say wenger does realise his failings and leaves – would you trust our board to get a top replacement in? Not sure at all about that. At least wenger could take denilson and one or two other limbo dancers with him
What a complete shower of shite, 3 losses on the spin. I don’t care that Wenger didn’t pick his ‘best team’ (average height 4ft 6) this was another men against boys display.
Wenger says he wouldn’t parade the carling cup if he won it (fat chance) and that it not as important as a Champ league semi final. What a load of complete BS, it may not be important to him as he has his head so far up his backside trying to prove his teenage pigmy project will be a success. Try speaking to the real fans Wenger, you will understand that they want trophies and couldn’t give a jack about your little youth projects.
The 3rd round against West Ham is a massive game, let’s hope Wenger see it that way to.
Hopefully there is some money left in the pot to buy some class in Jan after most of has been spent giving huge pay rises to squad players.
I thought it had a nice ring to it Sharkey, catchy, try it again in a Scottish accent, it sounds homophobic.
Hughes is a cunt anyway, he has short memory. when he was at blackpye he was allways moaning about ref descions at that big clubs get the ref on their sides etc, he can fuck right off and stick his head up some fucking arabs arse. Hughes swore plenty at wenger last night and yet it’s wenger who gets the bashing, unreal
I wouldn’t have shaken his hand. Hughes behaviour was disgraceful.
Of course, there’s no mention of that in the press/media.
Mark Hughes, the Manchester City manager, told Arsène Wenger to show some respect after his Arsenal counterpart refused to shake his hand at the end of a tempestuous Carling Cup quarter-final last night.
City face a showdown with Manchester United in the semi-finals after an impressive 3-0 win at home to a youthful Arsenal secured their place in the last four of a leading cup competition for the first time in 28 years.
The victory eased the pressure on Hughes, whose future has come under scrutiny after a run of seven successive draws in the Barclays Premier League. But the City manager was furious at Wenger’s snub at the final whistle and waved sarcastically as the Arsenal manager went down the tunnel.
“It was his choice,” Hughes said after second-half goals from Carlos Tévez, Shaun Wright-Phillips and Vladimir Weiss had killed off Arsenal.
“At one point he questioned why I was over on his side of the technical area. He may have been a little bit aggrieved by that, but I would suggest he was more aggrieved that his team got beat.
“I have been to the Emirates Stadium and been beaten 6-2 but I still offer my hand. It’s the best you can do. There are certain protocols and maybe on this occasion Arsène has not worked with that.
“I was a little bit disappointed because I have got huge respect for him and maybe he needs to be a little but more gracious. You don’t need to do that and just not shake someone’s hand to show you’re upset.”
There has been a history of bad blood between Hughes and Wenger, dating back to an FA Cup semi-final in April 2005, when the Welshman was in charge of Blackburn Rovers.
Wenger took exception to Blackburn’s “bully boy” tactics that day, not least an elbow by Andy Todd on Robin van Persie. He refused to explain why he had stormed off last night, but denied that it had anything to do with City’s approach.
“Well, I think that has not a lot to do with the game,” he said. “I’m free to shake hands with whom I want after the game. I have nothing more to say about that.”
Asked if it was not professional courtesy to shake an opposing manager’s hand, Wenger added: “Yes, it is. I had no professional courtesy.”
Hughes is relishing the prospect of a meeting with United in the last four. City will host United on January 6, with the return leg at Old Trafford on January 20. Sir Alex Ferguson, the United manager, accused City of being “noisy neighbours” after winning a controversial derby 4-3 at Old Trafford in September and Hughes is expecting more fireworks.
“It’s a fantastic draw,” he said. “We are excited by it and the wider world as well, I think. We are going to enjoy it. Over two games we’d back ourselves against anyone and will try to get to a Wembley final that this club hasn’t for a long time.
“There has been a little bit of negativity in recent weeks but I think that has been alleviated this evening. It has been a frustration for everyone but we’ve played 16 or 17 games and only been beaten in one. You can’t deny we are going in the right direction now.”
Wenger played down the importance of the Carling Cup after insisting he would not abandon his policy of blooding youngsters in the competition. “To play in the quarter-final of the Champions League or the semi-final or final is ten times more difficult than to win the Carling Cup,” he said.
Blackburn Rovers will face Aston Villa in the other semi-final, but Carlo Ancelotti, the Chelsea manager, refused to blame Gaël Kakuta after his failure from the spot in a shoot-out at Ewood Park.
Chelsea lost 4-3 on penalties after an enthralling tie ended 3-3 after extra time, when Kakuta’s kick was saved by Paul Robinson. Chelsea had played for 50 minutes with ten men after Ancelotti, who had already made eight changes to his starting line-up, lost Salomon Kalou to injury, having used all three substitutes at half-time.
“I took the risk,” Ancelotti said, “then Kalou had the injury and we ended up with ten against eleven. I don’t usually change all three at half-time, but I thought it was best for us.
“And all the young players who came on will play in the future for us. I put Kakuta in for the penalty, I chose him to take the fifth. I saw him in training all week and he was very good.”
TIAG, Hughes showed no respect to him during the game.
Hughes was so desperate for the win he could be heard f-ing and blinding at Wenger and the officials throughout. What Wenger was upset about was when Hughes shouted “cheat” at Eastmond,Traore & co. and shouted “send em off” when they fouled a man city player.
wenger cannot expect the fans or the players to behave with dignity or respect if he wont do a simple gesture like shake hands. Classless and no reason for it.
Ha, ha I just got an email from West Ham offering hospitality at their gaff, it may interest you to know that Arsenal are only classed as a ‘B’ grade match, ManU are an ‘A’ – well done Arsene!
Wardo, I’m also Pro AW but he got it all wrong last night. He knew a month before last night’s game that Hughes will put his strongest team. He should have taken this a little serious considering the experience, quality & strength of them. At least, he should have had experienced players on the bench who could come in in the 2nd half to give these kids a little lift.
We could have got ManU in the semis and Blackburn or Villa in the finals cos I know Sir Red Nose would put his kids against us and our kids could beat ManU kids over the two legs but there are no ifs & buts in football.
so wenger won’t shake hands cos he got called a wanker? No wonder we have a team of players who allow themselves to be bullied. Just fucking shake hands, it takes a second. you dont have to go dancing with him.
Oh yeah Geoff – sounding Homophobic will have it catching on in the North East I’m sure, if thats your target market, but you’ll be in a bit of trouble around Old Compton Street
Did you notice Song’s imaginary friend was back? and he was influencing everyone.
Mark hughes is a hypocrite,
Hurling abuses and behaving animatedly the whole match at touchline,and in post-match conference,crying about a handshake.
who the hell will shake hand a guy who has been behaving animatedly,and being provocative for abusive fight,for 90 mins on touchline…
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/arsenal/article6797106.ece
i am agree in what you are writing. Yuo pay tickets and want to see the best. Wenger should also sell some of the older guys Silvestre, Eduardo, Rosisky and Eboue. Eduardo do dont have the speed, the hight and no power.
Ha Ha people calling for that wank jose mouthino.
Your a joke.
And fuck hughes.I wouldnt want to shake that w***** hand either.
And now we starting to sound the like the spuds…would you settle for Arsenal just winning the carling cup???
The season’s still long and we should judge at the end of the season not now.We are going through a bad spell and need to just get behind the boys and if Wenger dosent deliver then,thats when we should turn.
Jackie Boy is a fuckin madman. We need more players that are willing to fight for everything. The smallest player on the pitch was our best tackler – says a lot doesn’t it
Zee…are you sure about that..?? You have people abuse you then shake their hand. I don’t.
Wenger has to turn around things in the league, else the faith will go away too fast this time.
I dont know how can he complain about RVP being injured when it was a mandatory signing that he should have made after selling Ade.
I told then it would be madness to sell Ade without buying replacement. I hope he doesnt come around telling I didnt know Persie would get injured, ffs thats what he had been doing all seasons before last one.One month to go to turn things around.
I hope this is the last season where he goes into without enough world class and ambitious players, else I hope this is the last season.
Carling cup is worthless, but 3-0 is too much to take.
What kind of a manager plays kids and then justifies that 3-0 was a bad scoreline but the kids will learn.
Which fan would want to see the kids in action the next time?
Enough of learning curve.
Man City…………………………….. Arsenal
8…………Shots on target……………..1
4…………Shots off target……………..7
1……………Blocked shots……………3
5……………….Corners………………….7
13…………………Fouls………………..17
4……………….Offsides………………..1
331…………Total passes………..534
69.2%….Passing success…..81.6%
38…………….Total tackles………….25
76.3%…..Tackles success…….80%
38.3%……….Possession………61.7%
50.8%………….Territory………….49.2%
THE YOUNGSTERS DID WELL BUT WENGER MUST………………( complete the line yourself)
I don’t care if our players do not act with dignity and respect, there is far too much dignity and respect for my liking.
I don’t remember Vieira or Petit shaking hands with opposition players and sharing a joke after we lost!
We have seen this sort of shit from our current squad for the last three games, and it makes me sick.
I see Gallas hugging drogba, Rosicky joking with weiss and think – What the fuck are you playing at, you just lost , fuck off down the tunnel and take a cold hard look at yourselves.
I love it. I can see myself in court for homophobic abuse. Judge: ‘Zee, you were heard shouting wootpooft in soho – this is unacceptable, what have you got to say?’
‘But you’ve got it all wrong your honour, Wenger’s Taking The Piss Out Of The Fans.’
put it into your real life…
if someone was in the pub getting in your face shouting at your mates, telling you to fuck off and calling you all cunts, wankers whatever then wanted to shake hands, would you?
fuck no… slap in the mouth time i think
A&N – And I’m sure Sir Wenger has always acted with complete and utter respect and decorum towards Hughes right?? I’d rather have a manager that is passionate enough to have a go than a manager that throws a tantrum, stomps his feet like a little brat and walks off down the tunnel in stress. I know who I think looked like the bigger cunt last night.
Back to the Classics…THIS IS WHEN ARSENAL WAS REAL ARSENAL
http://archive.timesonline.co.uk/tol/viewArticle.arc?articleId=ARCHIVE-The_Times-1971-05-10-07-001&pageId=ARCHIVE-The_Times-1971-05-10-07
guys the reason the last 4 years have been shit is because we are develoing great youngsters like fran merida, carlos vela (obviously joking)
had we won on sunday i wouldnt have complained about last nite, but wen u dont have 1 player on the bench who can change anything then its bollocks
where was theo, eduardo, denilson dont get me wrong i dont think any of those 3 are goos enough for us, but in the managers eyes he loves them all and has just given them new contracts for doing fuck all, and seeing as they have hardly played all season surely last nite was a game they should have been involved in, even if just to allow them to gain some confidence, 3 games without scoring, or even more worrying, 3 games where we havent even looked like scoring, fucking bollocks,
Arsenal tom,To right mate.
You would walk away or smack the gezzer’s head off.
It’s not a real life scenario though. You’re the manager of a top football club, you know the cameras are on you when the whistle blows, shake hands, smile and call him a cunt if you like, but shake hands.
A&N… top stuff mate!! they are the fucking enemy… treat them like shit and win at all costs.
Norway welcome, you are now free to blog!
ATom – Come on! This wasn’t a bar fight, it was a game of fucking football! The best team and the best manager on the night won. Hughes got under his skin and it worked for him. Wenger should learn to be a bit more resilient. Aahhh did the poor little arsey warsey get shouted at?? Oh diddumms…….fucking baby!!
A&N u have no right to call anyone an idiot because they stated that they want Mourinho. how disrespectful?
i wld prefer Sir Alex. wham! Bam! in your face
Fuck Hughes, you could hear him on the TV asking for our player to get booked, swering his head off, squaring up to AW. He can go fuck himself or the Camel that his masters rode on.
Tiag, it is just typical of the British media to jump on the minor incident of a handshake but ignore the 90minutes of abuse and bad behaviour that went before that.
There is no reaction without a cause.
well said in todays article. every sentiment is accurate and measured. The Colonel concurs.
zee… or stay true to what you believe and stick by your principles… why change just cos some sky sports cunts are filming you…
plus 90% of the attention has gone onto the non handshake and taken allot away from another defeat and another 3-0 beating.
maybe its all a ploy?
The performance was more down to lack of cohesion in attack position, holding the ball for too long, no forward movement, forward passing, no diagonal long passes, turning with the ball from Citeh’s pressuring.
For me Rosicky should not have played, he doesnt understand what it means to these youngsters, i dont like it when Wenger mix the team, just play youngsters with two experienced CBs.
Wenger has lost the plot!!! The fans have been patient for to long!! It works that I end up spending about £100 on a match day. I have had enough. I don’t mind losing and missing out on trophies but when wenger refuses to change his fu*king stupid policy and won’t bring in the players that we have needed for the last 4 years it makes me think what is the point!! Wenger must go!! I say this because he wont change!!
http://m.goal.com/art_1662400?backto=search.php%3Fq%3DArsenal%26start%3D%26p%3D&SID=6f8a41b443a0b0da3fef5143e8ea1a48
i dunno. i think he should have shaken hands. I’m off to play 4 a side in the fucking rain (no gloves)
Rob Green – “I say this because he wont change!!”
Fuck me, how long have you, me and others been saying this! How are we STILL in this position. Its like fucking groundhog day!! NOTHING HAS CHANGED PEOPLE!!
I’m i mad???…but i still very much beleive in this team and Wenger.One or two signings and we will have a really great team.
Franchise, I have not right to judge a man but I have the right to kill them.
Arsene, a couple of questions for you…
WHY THE FCUK DIDN’T U HAVE ANY EXPERIENCED PLAYERS ON THE BENCH WHO COULD TURN THE GAME? (sorry, forgot we don’t have any !)
WHY THE FCUK DO U ONLY BUY MIDGETS? WHAT EVER HAPPENNED TO YOUR POLICY OF BUYING TALL STRONG ATHLETES? (sorry, forgot that’s so last year. They only win cups and go unbeaten for a whole season, so it obviously doesn’t work, so midgets are the way forward)
we should play Sanchez watt,maybe in place of walcott
in games what watt has played,whenever watt comes on,we look like scoring
Zee – If Wenger shook his hand the worlds media m,ay well be filling their pages with how Wenger showed true class in the face of an overly aggressive manager! They would be saying that Wenger is the better man for all of this!
I am Arsenal fan. But I wouldnt mine renaming the Emirate stadium as Chelsea stadium. Or what do you think when you are conceding 4 and three goals to visiting teams on a regular basis. Again Arsene, instead of blaming his idiot and mediocre boys always blames the referee.
ARSENE MUST GO!
Sharkey, eloquence is in the ear of the beholder. In any event, Wenger’s skinny-arse is what it is. Fact is, I’m so fed up with his bullshit. Not in a million months of Sundays would Wenger have seen out his tenure at a Barcelona, Real Madrid, Liverpool, Manchester United or the two Milans. Not in a billion months. So why Arsenal? I’ll tell you why: because the majority of supporters, unhappily, do not have the balls to show their displeasure/disgust at the current state of affairs. They just stand there and take it up the arse. The best way is to do what they do in Continental Europe, TURN YOUR BACK ON THE SHITE. By the way, has anyone noticed or does anyone know what Pat Rice is supposed to be doing on match-day? He just seems to sit there (and I mean literally sit) with his mouth firmly shut. Just another pathetic example of the YES MEN that Wenger likes to surround himself with. So Sharkey, I’m fucking angry, very fucking angry. Arsenal are just a bunch of pansies now. Did I say I felt fucking angry??
or jim watt
Taig im sure they would mate???….They will always find away to slag Arsene and Arsenal off…You should well and truly know that by now.
Well
whatever the Bullshit result yesterday,whatever the usual bitching rants,
Bottomline, Bread and Butter matches are what we need to worry about
Cant wait for Stoke,,,its been ages since we scored in domesically
lol taig, you really think the press would have even mentioned it?!
wenger did the right thing, hughes was a fucking disgrace all match, trying to get all our players sent off, and being very aggressive, I would’ve been pissed off if wenger had shaken hands with him!
Maximus – Thats is one the most accurate posts I have ever read on here. I really wouldn’t add anything to that my friend!! I’ve always said its up to the fans to make the change. But they wont will they.
Yep…3 points is much more needed,then that sack of shit last night.
yeah sabeel, i’m looking forward to stoke, just hope we really go for the jugular and get double figures! Theo and eduardo will score this weekend
no.1 goon – Don’t start this nonsense about the media picking on Arsenal!! That is complete bollocks! I bet you miss all the reports of wonderful football and invincible displays right! If we are in the media a lot its because there are a lot of things going wrong at the club.
Great post, sure all on here agree wholeheartedly.
Personally i dont want Wenger to so but certainly he needs to change his attitude towards the playing side of the game. If he shows no respect towards the opposition or certain competions how can he expect the players to have any passion !! The board need to grow a pair and have a serious word with Wenger and force him tp preferably change, if not then move him “upstairs” and bring in someone hungery for success.
A – No they might not have but they would be a million times better than what he is putting us threw this morning wouldn’t it!! Fuck me some people are narrow minded…..
taig do you genuinly believe that?!
the anti-arsenal coverage in the media is the same as the xenophobic idiocy constantly on show, it’s pretty much undeniable!
Bad spelling and even worse grammar…..again, I cant type when I’m angry!!
Ok i am done with the rants… seriously if i go on like this i might become old and die in the next 2-3 years
Foremost Arsene has to find the right balance in the squad. Thats wat happens when you play an injury proned player in such an important position.
With RVP gone and Bendtner out, its high time we use a proper target man, whoever that might be (we are good at developing youngsters i heard) upfront.
Without this, our midfield is completely ineffective.
I thought Eboue was the best player yesterday for us.
A&N, I think death threats is against the rules?
No.1 goon, we’ve been saying 2 more players for years… they should stick that below the badge.
A
i wonder who would be the strikers,
it is now confirmed,that striking is a big problem,for us,as we were on top form with this more_goals_than_u approach.
i wont seriously mind seeing watt upfront,that kid shows real desire and pace
no taig it wouldn’t, they just would’ve made bigger headlines saying we were shit, it wouldn’t have made any difference at all, obviously….
A – Give me some example where the media has had a pop at us without there being truth behind it.
Wenger is the disgrace, showing no respect for the fans by playing a youth team and giving mediocre players massive contracts.
Walking away from Hughes just lacks class.
A, please… that really is scrapping the barrel.
I didn’t see too much media bullying going on when we were ripping it up.
sabeel watt is a long way away from the first team! it’ll be eduardo through the centre, with arshavin and theo either side of him
I agree 200% with the article.AW”s philosophy of buying cheap nd develop them is great for the board but it’s making a fool of Arsenal.
He is like Nero. Fire is destroying Rome yet the emperor is oblivious and indulges in harp playing.
I’m araid AW has reached the end of the tether and shd go and be a footbal director.
vela, walcott, merida, denilson, silvestre, eduardo,
3 of them are overhyped young pussys
1 should fuck off back to manchester and the other can only play in 442, meaning he is surplus to requirements as we only play 433
at a cost of over 30 mil and god knows what on wages
u could get yay toure and chamakh and a strong experienced CB (even just for backup) and still have change left over
what a waste of money those our kids were
A – We were fucking shit and no one at Arsenal deserves to be shielded from that!!
So your telling me they don’t…So i’ve just been imagining the constant tripe,that they write about Arsenal and all the shit they write about our players wanting to leave and were soft up north and bla bla bla….Silly me!
Pedro – Exactly my point!!
Pedro,
could u check my post @10.28 and @10.36
Bloody heartbreaking this is. Wengers starting to really piss me off now (not shaking hands is bloody pathetic), im sure the genius is still in there somewhere but i think he has become delusional with is percieved greatness.
He needs a strong number 2 or maybe someone above him who will take him to the side and point out the flaws (maybe that was what Dein did and that was why the balance of Wengers ego was kept in check)
no.1 goon – give me examples…..
Pedro they’re sensationalist, so after a couple of good games they exagerate the style of football etc, but they’re MUCH quicker, and very very happy when things go wrong, so they can kick us when we’re down. They love doing it, I’ve never met or read of a sports writer who’s a gooner!
taig what’s the relevance of whether there’s “truth” behind it, something tiny and unimportant happens, so there is truth, but their slant on it is that it’s a MASSIVE deal and a TERRIBLE thing to have happened
You know the funny thing is…If Arsenal won we would be saying how great they are and wenger a genius and all that…We lose a game and now the youths are shit and Arsenal shit.bla bla lol
That was a quote from Apocalypse now -brilliant film.
A- I have to agree with everything you have said in the last hour.
At the start of the season we had absolutely no chance of getting top 4, they take all these little comments from bendtner, arshavin, cesc totally out of context, and crop them so they can tell a story using them that is totally different to how they were meant! Yes there’s “truth” in them, because comments were said, but they intentionally make them out to mean something different to how they were intended.
no.1 goon – “were soft up north and bla bla bla”
But a lot of the time we are!! We lost to City up north. We lost to Hull up north. We lost to Stoke up north. There is truth in it.
No.1 you are missing the point, it’s not about last night, it’s about the last 5 years.
Having been working at a newspaper recently the animosity towards arsenal from the sports and web people, and just most of the journalists surprises me. I always read the papers and laughed at how ridiculous the stories were, but seeing first hand how little factual evidence is needed, and how little people care about actually telling the truth is nuts
A, complaining about the media sensationalising stories is like complaining about marketers making their products sound better than they are.
What sort of shindigs are you attending where there are an abundance of sports writers? I’m sure Chris from Goonertalk converses with the writers from the Mirror and he reckons loads of them are Gooners.
If sports writers didn’t put a slant on their writing, it would be boring. I think the papers mostly get it right… bar people like Cascarino obviously, but classing them as proper journo’s is a bit far fetched.
The media dish the same shite out to any team that is under performing and the same love for whoever is playing well.
A – Well fuck me, welcome to the world of the media!! Its the same for all clubs.
if we had a proper 22 man squad there is no way we couldnt have mixed 5:6 or 6:5 yesterday (1st team:youngsters)
but because most of our first team are unreliable players at the moment even when we mixed it the team was still very weak
ramsey, eboue, silvestre, song, vela, rosicky, fabianski are first teamers that is 6 out of the 5. but how unreliable are these players especially against a side like city’s yesterday
Glad to see some people have confidence in Arsenal’s ability to potentially beat stoke on Sat. I hope they do of course, but don’t take the game for granted, Stoke aren’t just going to turn up and lay down. I think they will fancy there chances of an upset. Just a thought…..
Pedro/Geoff
In carling cup,when the kids win against teams who put out with lot of first team players,we laud them,and wenger,and when they lose,we criticise the team and wenger.
Some matches we win with this win,and we laud like they are out of this world,and other matches we lose with this team in carling cup,and yesterdays match was the match where we lost…
Hence i guess we need to balance ourselves out with our reaction i guess
A… judging the whole media based on working at one place is very unlike you.
If David judged Bendtner on one match, you’d be spitting feathers.
TAIG, Thanks mate, I feel really pissed right now. Always enjoy your posts, btw. Just goes to show that Arsenal is a mid-tier club with a mid-tier mentality. If anyone believes otherwise, look at the last five years and the club’s playing roster. And then tell me Wenger deserves another 5 years: the French cockroach.
taig how about the eduardo diving, how overblown that was, the bendtner saying he should be playing every minute of every game, cesc saying he wants to go to barca, any number of players saying we need to sign players.
All of it is just taken out of context and technically “true”, but in reality the reporting of the ways the comments were meant are totally and utterly untrue, and designed to be just that for the purpose of telling a negative story!
Don’t disrespect Pat Rice – He has been at this club longer than anybody. Before Arsene, George Graham and many others and is a good servant to the club.
You should support a team like Southampton then you woulod know how shit it is.
ANyway Mark Hughes is a cunt…As a player and a manager.. I wouldn’t piss on him if he was on fire.
We are all frustrated by the last fortnight. Including all the injures. But to continue the doom and gloom doesn’t help.
Arsenal have no balls on and off the pitch!!
Get rid of Wenger and bring back Dein!!
Sabeel, Geoff has always said he wants to win the Carling Cup.
We’re not going to sit here and slate a team of kids that have just won are we?
We’re out of the Prem, we’re on a bad run… and the coach threw the kids to the lions.
Liverpool had a shit side out and we weren’t great… the same in the game prior to that.
Taig
if we say “balls” to media,then why the hell are we arguing about wenger handshaking or not..
we have all done mistakes in our lives,move on people
Pedro,
Bang on in your review of the current state of play with our team and the policy with in the club.
I believe that the last three paragraphs completely summarises where we are and the behaviour of the management team and current owners.
As the old saying goes, ” if it ant broke then don t fix it”. Well its broke alright, its been broke now for five years so bloodly well fix it. However, the board are happy will a large income and small outcome. To the complete expense of, us , the fans.
I want 57, 000 fans to sing on the top of their voice on Saturday, ” Get your cheque book out for the lads ” cos its time to stop being completely arrogant and disrespectful Mr Wenger. Stick the sign In Wenger we trust up your arse and raise a new one, saying, In Wenger, you must buy”
Nice one pedro, i am glad you carry similar ideology that this can not continue.
Its only just December and the same sh*t as the last four years. Team is crumbling, league is really out of the question, out of the cup, you know he will play a weaken team in the FA cup and in that competition and in Europe we will always come up against the chav and united, therefore, as history tells us, we know where our season is concluded, and thats five months before it has finished.
Yeah Pedro of course, but it was an impression i got from before i was involved in this way, and i’m working at a paper that isn’t one of the sensationalist ridiculous ones, but is still from my perspective incredibly sensationalit and biased
considering all the stories about incidents are pretty similar, i don’t imagine a story is written here, twisted and based on non existant facts, then another paper runs the identical story, and it’s magically based on more, or not twisted in the same way!
SLG so because someone has been around a long time means we can’t have an opinion does it?
Great work Pedro, even amongst the rant you manage to deliver a classic “It’d be like God rolling into Richard Dawkin’s local, and expecting a free packet of crisps with his pint.”
Sheer genius! Thats way too high brow for this lot.:)
really the truth is a few players have to leave. we have strength in nos but lacking in quality
a new manager would be able to assess things without too much bias. im giving wenger until May to turn things around.
A very very angry post Pedro but I get where you are coming from.Fuck!!
City won fair and square, good for them, glad Ade who didnt score.WHat was all that lovey-dovey-showy -smiles-hugs to our players? Looked really pathetic.
That fucking cunt of a ref. I wasnt impressed by the way he was dishing em cards!!!
Tiag, it is not the same for all clubs.
The media are clever, they know the demographic of their readership and know who that readership have strong feelings against.
To put it bluntly, a lot of tabloid readers are the sort to blame immigrants for all of their problems, are sexist, homophobic and hate the French and Germans.
So its little wonder that a team managed by a Frenchman and full of foreigners gets more stick than others.
Hey guys
THe sad thing about AW is that he is too stubborn to change. When he steps down as our manager he will only be remembered for his attractive football and no trophies. He wont be remembered for the trophies he wonn with us cos his failures would have overshadowed his success. And thats the truth. He as a manager has failed to bring a trophy to arsenal going on 6 years now.And I dont see us winning a damn thing in the near future. OUr whole team is made up of touch players. You need a couple of enforcers in there. We really lack grown ups in our team.
Maximus we would be considered a mid-tier club if we took the league cup seriously
From the heat of the game I can understand Wenger not shaking his hand but his press conference 10 minutes after was embarrassing!!
we only think arsenal are more picked on because we read all the stories, the scousers have taken a battering over the past couple of months but we dont read the stories cos they dont concern us
1.The eduardo dive-The absloute nonsense that was wrote would have you beleive he has been the only player in world football to dive.
2.Reprinting old Arshavin storys to make it look like he’s unhappy at Arsenal.
3.Always making out that cesc wants to leave.
4.Foriegn players-No golden boy’s like…Gerrard,Lumpard,Rooney etc etc.
5.Rooney dives against Arsenal,to stop our unbeaten run and he is made to look a national hero-Im English by the way.
6.Year after year telling us were gonna finish outside the top 4…when we have always finished inside it and Liverfool haven’t??
I could go on and on lol
Pedro Says:
December 3, 2009 at 11:26
Sabeel, Geoff has always said he wants to win the Carling Cup.
We’re not going to sit here and slate a team of kids that have just won are we?
We’re out of the Prem, we’re on a bad run… and the coach threw the kids to the lions.
Liverpool had a shit side out and we weren’t great… the same in the game prior to that
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what do u mean to say Pedro?
as far liverpool and westbrom are concerned,we have been experienced premier league teams in carling cup in past 3 years regularly….
Wenger needs to kop on.
He’s behaving like a spoilt child at the moment.
We can turn most team over and win 5-0 each week but we cant compete with chelsea, united and maybe City when it matters!!
Brightongooner Says – Stick the sign In Wenger we trust up your arse and raise a new one, saying, In Wenger, you must buy………….love it lol
Tom Arsenal are massively picked on, Liverpool are too, to a great extent, though slightly less than us. Chelsea and Utd aren’t anywhere near as much, because Chelsea have the England captain and many English players, and Utd likewise, as well as Ferguson having lots of chums in the media, and being very well respected by most. Then teams like Villa the coverage goes the other way, and they’re massively helped out by the media
A -
1) Eduardo, in that instance, was a complete diving scumbag!! If UEFA give the media the chance to entertain and explore the story then thats our tough luck!
2)Bendtner basically said those things and like they would with any other player made what they could out of the story!
3)If you dont like the Barca – Cesc links you should tell Cesc not to make anymore phone calls to Pep Guardiola!! How many people have said that Cesc needs to be told to stop talking to the media!!
Mid tier club???…I didnt know that we were mid table.Some of the stuff im reading is laughable.
All fans think there club gets picked on in the press!! Wenger brings it upon himself!!
SLG Pat Rice is a has-been. He offeres us nothing but sitting on the bench agreeing with Wenger.
Pedro, if the club do decide I would like to be refunded for travel costs incurred as well!
What is sad is that the atmosphere at the game was fantastic apart from the two racist no neck skinheads behing me, they were not gooners anyway as they walked out after the first goal!
It was obvious that we were not taking it seriously when 1nil down should have seen Theo coming on with Sanchez but no, Wenger couldn’t give a shit… …most at the stadium thought Song was MOTM but hey he didn’t put a foot wrong for us, but armchairs get a different view sometimes with replays.
Fabianski also looked great and it is a shame that Vela is playing centrally when the LW birth is where he should be… …I would rather Arsene played big Phil as the lone CF because for all his faults he is big and strong with great technique and last night would have provided an outlet… …sticking our liliputions against Richards, Lescott, Toure and Bridge was a joke and against the Giants of Stoke it mught be even worse.
Oh and Phil started as a CF so why the fuck not try something else Wenger seeing as you love playing players out of position.
No.1 if you want to read how great we all think Wenger is and how much we like losing, you’re on the wrong blog mate.
SLG Pat Rice is a has-been. He offeres us nothing but sitting on the bench agreeing with Wenger.
Pedro, if the club do decide I would like to be refunded for travel costs incurred as well!
What is sad is that the atmosphere at the game was fantastic apart from the two racist no neck skinheads behing me, they were not gooners anyway as they walked out after the first goal!
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It was obvious that we were not taking it seriously when 1nil down should have seen Theo coming on with Sanchez but no, Wenger couldn’t give a shit… …most at the stadium thought Song was MOTM but hey he didn’t put a foot wrong for us, but armchairs get a different view sometimes with replays.
Fabianski also looked great and it is a shame that Vela is playing centrally when the LW birth is where he should be… …I would rather Arsene played big Phil as the lone CF because for all his faults he is big and strong with great technique and last night would have provided an outlet… …sticking our liliputions against Richards, Lescott, Toure and Bridge was a joke and against the Giants of Stoke it mught be even worse.
Oh and Phil started as a CF so why the fuck not try something else Wenger seeing as you love playing players out of position.
Look at the Thierry saga..they are against anything french.
no1 goon for every bullet point u gave every top team would give u their version
English press bias towards the English shouldnt surprise you that is why its the English press
does the media crucify theo walcott for underachieving? certainly not
did the media acknowledge Song’s improvement? 100% yes
the media hate us is lazy excuses
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SLG Pat Rice is a has-been. He offeres us nothing but sitting on the bench agreeing with Wenger.
Pedro, if the club do decide I would like to be refunded for travel costs incurred as well!
What is sad is that the atmosphere at the game was fantastic apart from the two racist no neck skinheads behing me, they were not gooners anyway as they walked out after the first goal!
It was obvious that we were not taking it seriously when 1nil down should have seen Theo coming on with Sanchez but no, Wenger couldn’t give a shit… …most at the stadium thought Song was MOTM but hey he didn’t put a foot wrong for us, but armchairs get a different view sometimes with replays.
Fabianski also looked great and it is a shame that Vela is playing centrally when the LW birth is where he should be… …I would rather Arsene played big Phil as the lone CF because for all his faults he is big and strong with great technique and last night would have provided an outlet… …sticking our liliputions against Richards, Lescott, Toure and Bridge was a joke and against the Giants of Stoke it mught be even worse.
Oh and Phil started as a CF so why the fuck not try something else Wenger seeing as you love playing players out of position.
Geoff i never said i did…But mid tier club???..Come on.
Don’t know what happened there Gunner8
Arsenal are a 5th, 4th and 3rd place at best club!!
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No.1 Goon, do you seriously expect the media to launch a campaign of hate against a national footballing hero?
Who’d buy that paper?
A, Chelsea were ruined in the papers last year… what are you talking about?
The media go after Arsenal and Liverpool, because we’re the biggest under achievers!
As for the Cesc stories, see Christiano for two years.
As for the Arshavin stories, he says a lot of crazy shit to multiple sources… the same with Nick.
Why are people moaning about the press!! Who cares!!
Wenger has it easy, he has not pressure and gets paid a fortune!!
taig Eduardo did dive, Wayne Rooney, Ashley Young and Steven Gerrard dive like that every other week, but when Eduardo did it it became weeks of news, when those three do even worse dives, the only mention is that it was a “questionable penalty decision”
Bendtner didn’t say those things, they were ridiculously taken out of context and twisted, and they wouldn’t happen with the vast majority of players and teams. Bendtner said he wanted to train and work really hard to develop and try to impress and get the manager to pick him, because any player would aim to play every minute of every game.
The press report that Bendtner said the manager should pick him for every minute of every game.
It’s just laughable
no.1 goon -
“Look at the Thierry saga..they are against anything french.”
The fucking cheating cunt handled the ball twice which effectively knocked Ireland out the world cup!! What the fuck did you think the press were gonna do? Ask for him to be handed the key to Dublin?? Jesus……
I think some of the players have lost total faith in the manager as well as us fans, Arshavin for example is pleading with AW to buy experience, but that is no excuse for is current shit form.
No.1 It’s the way some people feel, not me, but maybe not even top 6 the way it’s going this season.
Had he bought a few players it would have been so different, if he really thought Song or Denilson were good enough, why on earth did he try and buy Melo?
So he knew in August he was settling for second best and now we’re all paying for it and I for one am angry about that.
No 1. Goon, most countries hate the French.
the press hate arsenal because Wenger is French and we don’t have many English players.
On the flip side they hype up gibbs and walcott too much.
Gunner8 how on earth do you have any idea about the impact Rice has on the training ground, and behind the scenes. People always want to find scapegoats to blame, but the criticism Rice got starting from last year, based on total ignorance is plain silliness.
Pedro what abuse did chelsea get last year? Yeah when things go wrong the press get on their backs, and loved stories about ronaldo going, but they never exagerate and mislead to the extent they do with us
TAIG, nice post… well said.
Maybe im taking in to much of what the media writes and its going in as a personal offence.
But i can’t help feel they are really against us and it’s like,fuck the foriegn brigade from them??
A – The Eduardo dive got blown up because UEFA finally gave some weight to it. The press weren’t concentrating on the fact that he dived , more that UEFA were investigating it!! Bendtner’s words got twisted like every single other player that gives even a little angle of attack!! Look how they picked on Darren Bent and his ‘tweeting’.
Listening to people moan about the press is like listening to scum bags complain about the police picking on them…
Geoff it isn’t a case of a player being “good enough” or not. If a player is available who is better than what you’ve got, then you’ll try and buy him, it doesn’t mean that Song and Denilson are therefore not good enough.
If Messi became available for a decent fee then Wenger would try and get him, but it wouldn’t mean that Arshavin is no longer “good enough”
wenger should have defended why he didn’t shake hands. he should have told the world that hughes was asking for players to be sent off, swearing at him and all the rest. wenger has made himself look like a twat by not shaking hands. I think wenger is losing the plot. I think he is under tremendous pressure.
Blame it on the immigrants, its all their fault!
taig uefa gave weight to it after the press went nuts about it. It was a couple of days of front page news and non stop sky sports replays before uefa said anything about it
no.1 goon – I feel the frustration as much as you do, of that I am sure. But the press will throw whatever they can at any story that will sell papers. If we provide them with the most column inches – like we have done lately – then who is to blame? Them or us?
Why would Arsene refused to shake Hughes hand and somebody will be supporting him? If Arsene is so upset about losing, then he must change his ways.
The definition of madness is : doing the same thing, the same way and expecting different result!!!!!! ARSENE IS MAD. SIMPLE
I agree A&N, taking our jobs, drinking our beer
gazzap – yeah fair point to be honest mate. Instead he just acted like a child and said “I’m free to shake hands with whoever I want”. If he had a rattle it would be out of the pram!!
its so sad that im not even pinning my hopes on a chelsea blip cos we are quite unlikely to capitalise if it happens
the fucking club that sold a player for £70m and is meant to be shit this year would probably seize such a chance better than we would
i would rather chelsea won the league than ManUnited
how much of what we refused to fix this summer can we fix in January?
with a proper Ade replacement (maybe Dzeko), Yaya, Vermaelen, GK, maybe another CB if Senderos wasnt in Arsene’s plans and more attention to defending and we would probably pissed the league
A that’s the biggest load of toot I think I have ever seen you write.
There are tons of players better than what we have that we didn’t try and sign, tons.
Fuck me Kranjcar went for £2mil, don’t even get me on Defoe or Torres.
A – Don’t be silly. UEFA do what they want and only what they want! Thats because Platini is a cock! They investigated it because Tony Mowbray and his board asked them too! No one has done that before apart from the Ireland incident!!
A: What does that make Chelsea and Manchester United? I’m sorry, but you have shot yourself in the foot. Trophies are there to be won, not to be mocked. Let me ask you, were you not celebrating when we won two League Cups under George Graham? I bet you were. And it’s not as if we’ve won anything lately, is it? You might not, but if Kate Beckinsale were a League Cup, I’d take her. Any fucking way, why do kids need to be played in the League Cup? It isn’t a rite of passage, is it? Put them alongside men, so that they may learn, not amongst other juveniles. When was the last time we saw Wilshere, for example? Why not play him in games that we smash the opposition 6-0, such as Blackburn? Or just send the kid out on loan. What the fuck?
Geoff – Fuck me, Given for £6m!! If he thinks Alpoonia is better than him then we are in more trouble than I thought!!
Huh Geoff?!
What was toot about what I said? And when did I say that there aren’t any players better than what we have?!
I actually said the opposite – that there are players out there better than our very best players, but just that that doesn’t somehow mean that our best players aren’t good enough….
Why on earth would we want Kranjcar, who exactly is he better than in that role?!
Beer like Stella, Peroni, Hoegarden -all British right? lol
This is ridiculous….
The importance of a target man, anyone??
No?
The Pride of Britain is Merseyside
Merseyside council estates
Kate Beckinsale…..oh dear lord!! She’s the real deal!!
Wow he is the only player to have ever handled a ball…Lets all lock thierry henry up and throw away the key!!!!…Biggest cheat in football.
And im not gonna say,what i really feel-about what you just said about one of the greatest Arsenal players of all time…Didnt Ireland get a penalty that should have never been given???..what goes around,comes around in my opinion.
The definition of madness is : doing the same thing, the same way and expecting different result!!!!!! ARSENE IS MAD. SIMPLE
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Is that why has publicly criticised the squad, added greater expectation, explained that youth is no longer an excuse, and that he needs to strengthen the squad and will do in January?
taig the point is it happened after the media outcry, and wouldn’t have happened if it wasn’t for the media outcry imo….
Maximus yeah under Graham, and back then the League Cup was a proper competition and meant something to win it, all the teams took it seriously, not to mention we weren’t as big a club as we are now, we weren’t at the top of the table season in season out, so any silverware was awesome.
Now we’re a level above, we havn’t finished below 4th place in over a decade, so it’s a complete irrelevance to us, except for being a great opportunity to give the kids experience. Not to mention as well as our becoming a bigger club, the League Cup has diminished in importance to such an extent that Championship teams play kids in it!
Tonyadamsisgod
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Sign Given, no money for Arshavin.
The fact that Arshavin had to pay £2 million to complete the move sums the dire straits we were in financially.
But thanks to the Genuius of Wenger, that has finally come to end this year, were profitability and turnover will be reflected in the available budget
Maximus – “I’m fucking angry, very fucking angry. Arsenal are just a bunch of pansies now. Did I say I felt fucking angry??”
So now sat at your keyboard in that state…what are you gonna do. Kill yourself..???
Seriously, read Ped’s report again, he has the same feelings and emotions as you, but he’s in control of them.
Still, each to his own ‘eh
Please folks, show some intelligence. Mid-tier meaning amongst the Barcelonas, Real Madrids, Liverpools, Manchester Uniteds, AC Milans et al. When was the last time we won a trophy and have we ever won a European Cup? Come on folks, get a grip and get real. And by the way, finishing fourth does not make me want to jump for joy. Get my drift?
A what it means is we have players that are not good enough and should be replaced, not given massive new contracts.
Kranjcar I would stick alongside Cesc instead of Song or Denilson, he can hold back or go froward. He went for 50% less than we paid for Denilson 4 years ago.
Oh no, he wouldn’t sign him, he is way too old.
no.1 goon – You cannot deny a the British press having a pop at him! Can you imagine the stick they would get if they completely ignored it?? Thats a bit of a strecth to say they went OTT just because he was French.
Kranjcar is shite. An Tottenham are shite, what did Kranjcar do against Man Utd’s kids on Tuesday? Nothing!
A the only person who says the Carling Cup isn’t a proper competition is the deluded sod who manages the Arsenal.
No other fucker disses it.
Kranjcar playing centre mid?! He’s less of a central player than Nasri and Rosicky, and with much less class and tenacity?! I’d have Ramsey over Kranjcar in a central role!
I don’t get your logic Geoff, what means we have players that aren’t good enough? Because there are better players in the world, our players aren’t good enough?
great post this morning,very well said
MAXIMUS@189 – YOU ARE THE BOMB.EVERY LE GROOVER SHOULD READ THAT POST.
EVEN THOUGH I AM ANGRY YOU HAVE REALLY HUMBLED ME.
OH GOD WE NOW NEED AN USMANOV TAKEOVER AFTER BUYING LADY NINA’S SHARES. ARSENE HAS ALL THE SAY IN WHAT ARSENAL DOES WITHOUT THE BOARD’S INTERVENTION.
BLOODY GOOD POST!?
im glad im not the only one who has those feelings! In regards to the ‘handshake’ mark hughes was acting like a complete prick on the touchline, however wenger should be more proffesional and should of shook his hand. He is just bitter because project youth is not working.
Refering to the media hating arsenal…Its true! take talk sport for example, they slate arsenal more than any other team especially alan brazil and stan collymore. I dont even listen to it anymore. But its something we need to deal with.
Geoff forbid we sign Kranjcar… he is over 6ft and strong
our first team at the moment is shocking!! song is going to miss the stoke game isnt he?
Rob the goon -good points
I’m not saying buy him, I’m saying he is way better than what we have and we should have bought him.
That’s 1 mil more than we paid for Silvestre.
Really Geoff?! I didn’t realise Utd, Chelsea, and Liverpool played their full teams in it….
Pedro, I don’t want him on.
I would still say we had a shit season,If we just won the carling cup..But if we won the fa cup,i would be alot happier.
kranjcar strong?!
I agree Franchise!
Silvestre is laughable!! he is shocking why did wenger buy him. He would extend pires contract because he was over 30 but then he buys silvstre
Geoff who is he better than though?! He plays in the same role that Nasri, Rosicky, and Arshavin do – and he isn’t fit to lace up their boots imo!
I don’t need to kill myself, Sharkey, my life is much too good. If you lack passion for your club, that’s your problem, not mine. For your edification, let me remind you what Einstein said: “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.” I’m off to watch Curb Your Enthusisam. I need a bit of levity.
Lets sign tom huddlestone, he is tall and strong.
Taig,I knew he was gonna get that…But i think the press went way ott aswell.
Rob Green – And he gave him 2 fucking years!!
no. 1 I agree, winning the fa cup would be good, though obviously it’s only really the league and champs league I care about. Winning the league cup wouldn’t make any difference to me, it’d be nice, in the same way it’s good that we won the fa youth cup, and when i hear the women won the womens fa cup, or league
A Vidic, Berbatov, Anderson, Brown are all first teamers and the Marcheda is more first team than Watt.
They mix it up, so do the Chavs, but the chavs still had Terry and Drogba.
I lost a lot of respect for wenger!! He has lost the plot he really has!!
I have said before he has to go because he won’t change!!
I’ve seen Kranjcar produce better and far more consistent performances in the EPL than Nasri, Rosicky and Arshavin. Just my opinion.
Is it a coincidence that things have gone down hill since Dein left?
Armand was the worst player for Arsenal last night…Call himself a defender lol….Time and time again,he got roasted by swp…He did however need help and didnt get it.
A Song and Denilson would be no where near my team, you work it out.
I’m off now, have a meeting to go to.
A&N huddlestone is less a clown than diaby
Vidic, Berbatov are Geoff.
Anderson and Brown are less first teamers than Eboue, Rosicky and Song….
My point was though that all the clubs treat the league cup as a competition that they’d be happy to win, but it doesn’t really matter, so there won’t be a full team played in it until the final! The only difference is that we rest more players, and would still rest players in the final, because we use it as a way to develop kids more than the others, who just see it as a friendly game
kranjcar consistent taig?! pompey fans weren’t fussed about losing him because of his amazing inconsistency! Obviously though you’re entitled to my opinion, but it’s the opposite of mine in this case!
Song’s been great this season in my opinion.
Yeah Geoff, so you need to bring in someone to replace them then, not someone who plays in a totally different position, where we’ve already got much better players. It’s like saying we shouldn’t have signed silvestre when we could’ve got kranjcar
ArseyNose 11.27 Spot on. Absolutely spot on
A how can u say that anderson and Brown are less first teamers than Song. are u ok?
Arsene Wenger: “But in fairness I believe as well our young players are not used to playing at that level and got tired slowly after an hour and you could feel that had a bearing in the game.”
So why on earth did you play them? Why play a team you know cant win? That is no good for anyone! It demoralises the kids. It demoralises the fans. And it ends our best hopes of silverware!!
no. 1 disagre about traore. swp rapes very good defenders, but until the booking traore had done superbly against him. No worse than clichy would have done imo
than eboue rosicky and song i meant
Franchise perhaps because Song plays every game, and Anderson and Brown don’t?!
Wenger: chronicles of a suicide bomber
i’ll take my yellow
Is it a coincidence that things have gone down hill since Dein left?
I think you are right on the button.
Bring Dein back everything will fall into place imo.
A person who had the vision to bring an unknown entity Wenger into the club, cannot go out of the club without having major differences, and I suspect he was right in whatever discussion that ended with his departure.
we are on course to be potless again IMHO but i hope we can fluke something
I disagree with that-clichy would have closed him down and would never back off.
Traore postioning at times was sunday league.
Glad you agree sharkey
keep the faith
Why does picking the kids against a team that butchered our best side in the EPL get such a knee jerk reaction?
Are you suprised we lost? Did you not know the selection strategy / our approach to the game?
City treated last night like a World Cup final and I think the young lads did well?
CAN ANYONE TELL ME THE IMPORTANCE OF PLAYING WITH A TARGET MAN?
Ah fuckety fuck.
There goes another trophy
it is only the beer cup but at the same time I expect 100% effort to win everything we are in. The kids did ok, but it’s not their fault they got totally out powered.
This cup, as shitty as it is, could have been a springboard for success. Given the team belief that they CAN win tournaments.
Losing and feeling crushing disappointment aint the way to motivate someone.
Can I suggest that we try and arrange for one particular home game to be boycotted by all Season Tckey Holders….
you can suggest whatever you want ddm, you don’t need permission!
DDM-I can not afford to pay for a season ticket and not go watch them sorry…Also i still have beleive in this team and manager.
Cescs… it’s not a knee jerk reaction… it’s a reaction to 5 years of the same.
After the 3 weeks we’ve had, do you think the selection was merited?
Shouldn’t the Carling Cup be important for us as well as City?
What do you mean about the importance of a target man?
it annoys that that the likes of ManU have in the recent past won the league cup and still gone ahead to to sustain good runs in the FA and CL cups and also won the league in the process.
our squad nos are roughly the same but the quality is hundreds of metres apart (im being nice could have said miles)
last year ManU won the league and league cup, got to semis fa cup and finals CL with only 3 CBs – ferdinand, vidic and evans (brown was injured for almost the whole season)
Apart from one hairy moment, I thought Silvestre was very good yesterday.
I think we have more important issues to discuss than Wenger’s (lack of) handshake.
Song has played better this season, Rosicky is capable of a lot more than he showed yesterday…we simply weren’t good enough, good experience for the boys but at the cost of irking some fans. No doubt the two previous defeats are catalysts to this collective ennui, the sooner we get back to winning ways the better for Arsene/Arsenal…for us!
Well done Pedro on a heart-felt post
The carling cup important????…Na mate its a worthless cup..Rather win the emirates cup lol
Pedro we’re a big team still, we’re focussing on the league and champs league, city are a small team who have to try and win anything they can get, they’ve never ever even competed for either of the two competitions we compete for….
Silvestre played well up until the yellow card, he eve steamed into Adebayor a few times and kept him quiet.
Traore matched SWP until his booking.
The bookings were key to the defensive meltdown, yes they were both yellow cards but there should have been 20 odd yellows to man city before then.
A stop fooling yourself.
focusing on the league and champs league two comps that we know we can’t win,the carling cup was there for the taking
No.1 goon, sorry, you’ve got to pull yourself out of the ‘Arsenal are too big’ hole.
We’ve won fuck all lately, any competition is a start.
Not to mention we’ll probably bomb the FA Cup off as well.
bring back the makita cup, we used to win that.
the poor bollocks who travelled to manchester should get their money refunded by the club.
would any of you have seriously felt good about winning the carling cup?
Dennis,Iam up for boycotting a game,which one do you think,Manchester United?I think fans all over the world will really admire our sense of perspective and loyalty.
BBK, exactly…
Pedro coming in the top 4, or just getting through the group stages in the champs league is a bigger achievement than winning the whole league cup.
A&N, a day out at Wembley, a bit of silverware.
Tell me a fan who wouldn’t enjoy that.
It’s such a snobby attitude to say you wouldn’t feel good about it.
kids kids kids
u guys are missing the fact that 6 first team fringe players started
our squad is just poor in all sincerity
i pointed already that song (1st 11) , silvestre (2nd choice CB, taking the pairing as 1), Eboue (2nd choice RB), Fabianski (2nd choice GK), Ramsey (meant to be wonder kid) are all members of our first team
for obvious reasons i havent added vela, traore
the kids that featured ystdy were eastmond, wilshere, merida and watt
I’m sorry but winning the carling cup wouldnt do it for me.
I agree we havent won anything…But winning that will not even come close to what i call winning trophies.
A, 3 games extra with the first team… the competition will be finished by Feb.
Do you really believe that’d derail our top 4 hopes?
Fantastic Post. Spot on, couldn’t agree more.
forgot to add rosicky
apparently so Arse&Nose, it’s an irrelevance to me though. All I care about is how we do in the league and champs league, measuring us up against the best in the country, or the best in Europe, rather than just win a meaningless trophy to put on the mantelpiece. It’s the achievements I care about, not having something shiny to point at and say “look we won silverware”. For me coming one place higher in the league, or getting one round further in the champs league, and winning nothing, is preferable than coming one place lower, or getting knocked out one round earlier, but winning the league cup
We can certainly win the Champions League, believe it or not its a cup competition you don’t have to be the best team to win it…the Premier League would be difficult
Pedro one minute more would have a tiny negative impact on the players in terms of risk of injury, or fatigue come the end of the season, or even games now. It wouldn’t necessarily make a massive difference, but it would make SOME different, and ANY difference is too much, not to mention any risk of injury is a risk too much for a competition that is imo totally irrelevant.
For me play the kids, or withdraw from the competition
Man we were the best team in europe in 2004…did we win the champions league???
We have a very good chance,in europe this season.
Walcott, nasri, rosisky, denilson, eduardo, arsahvin, vela are not having blinders at the moment. We are really struggling. Before we were scoring goals but conceding. Now we are conceding and not scoring!!
Question to all.
What would you prefer ??
A) Arsenal win the Carlin Cup but get knocked out of ECL in first knock out round.
or
B) Knocked out of Carlin Cup but get to Semi of ECL
From what Wenger has been saying, he would choose B without question.
What would you choose?
no.1 goon….you were’nt disappointed so when Chelsea beat us in the final 2 years ago and Drogba did us again….it would’nt have “done” it for you. I tell you I was F***kin desperate for us to win it cause this team needs a trophy and the fans need it so yes it “does it for me!
i know the lot on here that just make bullshit comments to suit their current position regarding an argument
fakers
u know yourselves
Mega tight in the poll, Hiddink is edging it, closely followed by Arsene and Maureen!
hopefully b4 wenger is 80 and starts wearing nappies we would be ready as a team to lift some silverware. what is the rush???
Man imo we’re still very much in the prem, and i reckon we’ve got more chance in that than the champs league.
If come february 11th we’re within 6 points of chelsea, then i think we’ll win the league
its no coincidence that Chelsea and United have that trophy wrapped up in the alst few years….Id bet it “does” it for their fans..
Pedro – I was referring to the importance of a target man as thats whats hampered our last 3 weeks.
The way we play away from home is critical to such a figure. If RVP / Bendtner was fit would we have got a result against Sunderland – probably. Chelsea? Probably not, but the gulf wouldnt have been so large.
Its these injuries that have hampered our season and put Wenger in a posisiton he cant address untill Januray.
Is it oversight for not signing a further target man in the summer? You can see why he didnt. I just think that the severity of some the opinions on here, whilst justified, are not true to the current state of affairs.
Of course I would like us to win the carling cup, but at least wenger has been open and honest about the selection policy.
he took a gamble that backfired, but if we won he would being praised.
wardo i would choose getting to the semi finals of the champs league and winning nothing over getting to the quarter finals and winning the league cup
no. 1 goon, good point completely agree
no.1 goon, the best team rarely wins the Champions League final.
It’s a cup competition after all…
Overlord Wegner, Sycophant Pat Rice needs a reality check…
A…. me too.
A, agree we’ve got a chance in the Premier League (I mean stranger things have happened in football,) but I feel we stand a better chance in cup competitions like the Champs League or FA Cup
Sigh! Thanks Pedro for the post.
My sentiment exactly.
It’s time to review Wenger’s pet project, it’s really hurting us in the form of not winning a single trophy in the last 4 seasons.
I’d gladly eat my hat should Wenger & the boys prove me wrong.
Maybe it’s just my feeling but I can’t see us hoisting up any silverware anytime soon.
We need a miracle of epic proportions!
Wardo
I would rather an away leg at San Siro / Camp Nou / Bernabeau etc etc in the semis rather than win the CC!
no.1 goon – You say you are still behind Wenger. Thats fine, everyone is entitled to their opinion. but out of interest, how long are you prepared to give him if we are not winning trophies??
clubs like united are winning the league cup and league in the same year, getting to the semis of fa cup and champions league final too yet arsenal fans are asking if we would rather see a semifinal CL appearance in Cl with no cups but 4th place?
these are the same ppl that wld argue with u all day that we have a better team than ManUnited and that Denilson is better than Carrick or that fake Ronaldo wont fit into our style
if we were so good as a team why should our ambition be so low
I have no more questions for the defendant your honour :mrevil:
Mimi,
Tevez had three fouls and the ref didn’t even give him a talking to… …our first, second and third fouls were all yellows.
Ade-the whore was grabbing and manhandling people all night and not a thing… …last man for them in a tackle and was not sent off… …the ref bottled it big time!
Reason: The FA wanted a Man Utd. vs. City semi for the television and interest it ewould bring
Conspiracy to the end with Sly Sports and the FA
no. 1 goon
100% agree. Good chance of going the distance in the CL.
As long as we steer clear of Chels.
Kids v Man Citeh
Stats – we had more: posession (62/38) corners (7/5) passing success (81%/69%) less: shots (9/12) Cost (c£20/c£200m)
Chelsea played Ferreira, Ivanovic, Mikel, Deco, Ballack, Drogba, Kalou, Zerkov et al, had to play 30 mins extra time and still lost – to the mighty Blackburn no less.
…so what’s your point?
cheers Cescs_myboy
I feel really sorry for the fans that made the journey up to manchester last night.
Although, every fan must have known what sort of team AW would send out !!! rightly or wrongly.
I cant help but laugh when I see Hughes waving at Wenger down the tunnel!! He’s made him look like such a twat! Why didn’t Wenger get back in his face like he did with Pardew & Grant?? And like someone said earlier, why didn’t he just shake his hand and call him a cunt while he did it??
I’m the opposite man – the league is generally won on teams abilities not to drop too many points against the little teams, and until the west ham silliness we hadn’t dropped any points against the little teams. West ham was a one off though, mannone in goal, weird game etc, sunderland was more of a worry. stoke will give an indication as to whether we can still create the chances and score the goals against the little teams with vp gone, and if we can, then i think we can win the league because we’ll continue to have less trouble breaking down the little teams than chelsea and utd.
However cup-wise i’m not as confident, because there’s still a naivety against the big teams, and a lack of belief and concentration, that could cost us in any really big game.
also, 8 less tackles and 4 more bookings??? Including Song and Eastmond unfairly based on those challenges (playing in vital positions) – Ade had a 2 footed lunge at Silvestre…nothing mentioned?
I don’t know what gives anyone the impression we’re ready to win the champions league this year.
Inter have a big powerful team, Barca and Madrid speak for themeselves… then you have Man United and Chelsea who’ve both beaten us.
The only reason we made it so far last year is because we had an easy run to the final.
Cm,I was dissapointed to lose to chelski in that final.
But i was so proud of our young guns that day and how very close they came to shaming a bunch of overpaid and overhyped team.
A – I’m sure we will be fine against Stoke but something as simple as Delap’s thrown in is getting me worried when I know how susceptible we’ve been to balls into the box.
Pedro we COULD win the Champions League, we have it in us to beat anyone, but I’m not massively confident that we will because of our potential for implosion
This is all bollocks. and you know why, because if you haven’t realised it already, you (we the fans) are an irrelevance. We are taken for granted that our ticket money will always be there because of our love for AFC and basically they don’t give a shit if trophies are won or not. A CL place is the height of their ambitions, because of the revenue it produces. Were not supporting a football club with aspirations, were supporting a business that is only interested in balancing the books. This is how it is and this is how it will remain under the present admin. There’s no point in expressing your views and disappointments, because no-one (of any relevance) is listening.
yeah true taig, but at home it’s different to going to them away, last season didn’t they have one of the worst away records in premiership history?!
Inter milian are you having a laugh????…Madrid defending worse than ours and Barca look a shadow of what they looked last year…Chelski will be our only problem this year i feel.
Apart from the English sides I’d be very confident backing Arsenal against any of those sides you mentioned Pedro
We’ve had a relatively ‘easy run’ so far in the Champs Lge, in fact you could say we’ve had that for a while now
Somebody asked where Arsene would be without Arsenal. Where would Arsenal be without Wenger? The man has done more for the club than any single individual ever (ok, maybe Chapman). Personally, I believe that firing AW would be insanely stupid. Just look at what happened at Newcastle, Spurs…
Stop panicking and stop believing that splashing cash solves everything. A short sharp look at the debts of MU, Pool, Chelski, Real, Barca, etc etc helps.
Re: Mark Hughes. You act like white trash, you get treated like white trash.
i wldnt fancy our chances against barca over 2 legs. they press better than any premier league team ive seen and definitely attack very well also
if we met inter maureen is capable of shutting us and etoo should be capable of hurting us
manu and chelsea wld definitely be toughies so wld real madrid
Merida hit the bar last night.
Arsene probably thinks that this justifies his team selection!
Seriously.
No.1 goon… Inter have a fine home record, a great defence and a finisher whose dealt with us many times before.
As for Madrid… well, we’re shipping goals at record levels… if that doesn’t worry you, then you’re living in a different world to the rest of us.
The only team in Europe that worries you is Chelsea… we just lost to Sunderland!
Pedro – Our team that has done the best in the CL consisted of:
Lehman – better than Almunia
Campbell – serve us better than Vermaelen or Gallas
Cole – better than Clichy, Gibbs & Traore
Flamini better than Song
Gilberto – better than Denilson
Henry – better than anyone
Pires – better than Arshavin
Hleb – better than Rosicky
Ljungberg – who was better than Nasri or Walcott
Plus players like Bergkamp on the bench!!
yeah, I’m sure we’ll win it this year!!
FinnGunn, if spending isn’t the answer… are you saying 5 years of not spending is?
Chelsea lost to sunderland too pedro, and wigan!
we’ve got more chance in the CL because as its bee said we can beat anybody on our day.
the league is long gone now. chelsea will never drop another 11 points and neither will man utd
I think the worst thing about all this is that, like many, im a miserable gooner at the moment, and can see the problems in our team, but i can guarantee that Wenger does not give a fuck what I think! This team is his toy and it seriously needs mending cos we dont look like winners anymore. Its highly likely that if someone like moriniho came in, he’d kick out the the deadwood and strengthen the team, we might even start winning trophies, but it would just be a further kick in the teeth for Wenger seeing someone take over his project, as well as making us sucessful again! The board have the power to act! Im a huge admirer of Arsene but his attitude of late is completely disrespectful of the fans. January may be his last chance to salvage some dignity and make us a force! We can but hope!
I THINK WE SHOULD ALL PROTEST!!
pedro…
cant see any of the european giants causing us the same problems as the hoofball experts than reign in the EPL..
stanthemaqn ….
a football club is a global business. look at were american sports are, and sadly, that is were football is going.
im just pleased we are preparing ourselves.
A, Chelsea just beat us 3-0 and are 11 points clear of us.
A – Hopefully that will ring true on Saturday then!!
FinnGun what happens wheb wenger chooses to leave. does Arsenal implode?
Barcalona lost to rubin kazan..does that make them a bad team???
We could take any of those teams you mentioned in a 2 legged afair.
Cesc, blinkered…
pedro what does that have to do with anything?! you were saying that because we lost to sunderland it means anyone can beat us, my point was that the same could be said for chelsea!
No.1 goon… they’re European Champions and treble winners… and qualified. Oh, and they just beat Madrid 1-0.
A
chelsea lost to villa and wigan not sunderland
taig i hope so! I want double figures, get the premiership record win!
Anyone know if Song will be banned for the Stoke game as he picked up his 5th booking?
Also I think Traore has got his 3rd card in 3 games, so he will be banned for a game soon.
Last night was poor show, but all down to Wenger, they players gave their all.
I have never seen an Arsenal team defend so much as they did in the first half. Some of that was actually good.
Lets hope Bendtner and Diaby are fit for Stoke as we will need some height for that game.
chavs beat em 3-1 away
FinnGunn – So true. We have not had the cash to splash anyway. The credit crunch could have had a far greater affect on us if we didnt approach the move so pragmatically.
This year, will see that start of our financial strength coming through, and I think because of this season, Wenger will use it.
oh yeah Tom, apologies, Wigan and Villa, Sunderland beat Liverpool and drew with Utd at old trafford
Song misses the Stoke game, Marc C
Pedro we would beat mardrid lol
mark… yeah song is banned mate
no.1 goon – If every one played at the top of their game we would get stuffed in the later stages of the CL!! What we are now hoping for is that by some devine miracle teams like Barca start having more games like they did against Kazan. Thats one hell of a long shot!!
We cant beat anyone on our day. But we can beat anyone on a day where we play at our best and the oppo play at their worst.
missing the stoke game is a pretty good one to miss, we shouldn’t need him. would be much worse if he’d played and missed the liverpool game after picking up a booking there. i wonder if that’s why he played, to get the booking out the way!?
barca team is so much more balanced than ours and their football is so much more potent. we pass the ball well the whole world knows that but barca are more clever in the final third the place that matters the most. its why we keep loosing these games that we dominate possession cos our play in the final third is not good enough. final 3rd used to be our strngth in the invincibles era.
Cescs, that’s simply not true… you’ve based that on nothing but opinion.
We had plenty of cash this summer, not to mention the £40million intake.
If we play at our best we can can beat anyone…even if they are at there best.
It would be one hell of a game thou.
Pedro…
The attempted introduction of the 39th game, the tournaments in south east asia, all moves in expanding the brand.
Kroeneke, Gazidis are too huge successful exponents from American sports. Tom Fox was the head of global marketing for Nike.
As a business model we are reverred throughout the football world, and sre looked at in a utopian way.
I’m proud of this facts.
Another angle
How do you expect the senior players last night to give a fuck about the competion if wenger does,nt !?
Boy the way people are sounding…is making me question myself lol
Franchise not this season – this season they’ve had a fair few games where they’ve struggled to break teams down. Playing with two DMs and Iniesta as one of the three forwards really weakens them imo
Franchise – Simply, Barca have all of the attributes needed to put in a real challenge: Skill, pace, intelligence, physicality, work rate and commitment. So do Utd, Chelsea and perhaps Inter.
We have skill………thats it.
Great post. It does feel like one of Geoffs. I’ve finally had enough. I love Arsene for what he’s done in the past but his time is up. Watching games when you know you will lose is for teams like blackburn (with respect) But I’ve just watched 2 games that I had next to no hope of winning and I’m an extremely positive thinker usually. I feel fucking sick
the bad thing is that even at our best we have still been conceding goals, sloppy ones at that!!
CESCS… what would you rather have…
man utd trophy haul over the last ten years and their debt or our situation?
OK s0 who will replace Song against Stoke?
Denilson ?
Ramsey?
Eastmond?
Also what do you think our CL team will be like next week, are we going to throw that as well?
Pedro..
I appreciate we had cash this summer, but can you blame Wenger for being content with his squad? With hindisght, we were doing well untill the RVP/Bendtner injuries.
Because if we hadnt had injuries to RVP and Bendtner we certainly would not be in this position, with signs of disparity creeping in again.
Wenger has publicly declared he recognises this and while address this in January.
WENGER .
IM CONFUSED , you play the ” kids ” who will ultimately get knocked out in the cc and you refuse to buy the quality needed to win anything else when it comes to the big game !
HOW DO YOU GET A WINNING MENTALILTY IN THE CLUB ????
Who was on the bench last night to come on a get back in the game ????????
then refuse to shake hands like a petulant child
Franchise….@ 12:51.
Possibly mate !
All depends on what players are left at the club.
For as long as I could remember, Arsenal have always had at least 2/3 players that I would not swap with anyone.
Now days we have only one – Cesc Fabregas !!
Mark C it’ll definitely be Denilson, which is fine imo
Franchise……i think that Wenger gets a lot more out of our current crop of players than any other manager can.
Therefore, if he left today we would be worse off imo !
yeah denilson will get the nod, to be fair if he’s gonna be thrown in there during the ACN then he needs the practice, the CL game is a nothing game, itll be the same sort of team as yesterday
Cescs – You have to ask yourself if, knowing the injury records of players like RvP, Walcott, Rosicky and even Gibbs, should Wenger have brought in adequate replacements??
This squad was never going to make the season. unfortunately we let the bundles of goals against the small teams cloud our judgment of the team. The better teams have made us pay.
Cescs “With hindisght, we were doing well untill the RVP/Bendtner injuries.” …hmmm have we not seen this situation for the last 5 years…DEJA F***KIN Vu or just not learning our lesson…..Our club is weak at the moment…I want animals in the first 11…
Arsenal Tom
I appreciate your position. However we have not had the foundations to manage debt.
When we were at highbury, United were pulling in over 70,000 a week with one of the globes biggest brands.
Like it or not, in the last decade, because of multiple factors, (no CL being a huge one) our financial situation was precarious.
Now, with the emirates, and the devlopment of arsenal as a business, we have a strong foundation to leverage debt against.
i would say in 10 years time, i would love to look back and say we managed uniteds trophy haul and have a sizebale, managebale debt.
i dont want us to snap like Leeds, which would have happened if we spent at highbury or during the move.
we are turning ourself into a huge club. a club that can manage huge amounts of debt.
Yeah Tom, Champs league I reckon Theo will start, Rosicky too probably, Vela, Ramsey. Wont be AS young as yesterday but still young
Cescs, if you’re team fails the moment a player gets injured, something is wrong.
Is our business model reverred round the world?
Profit… becuase of a lack of investment?
ManU would earn £60mill a year profit… if they hadn’t leveraged the debt against the club, they’d be raking it in. Madrid also make loads of money.
Fuck it though… who gives a shit about the business side of things. If I wanted to whack skippy about profitable companies, I’d be blogging on the Goldman Sachs official blog.
Gibbs Taig?! Gibbs is a replacement, and our third choice, his replacement, is just as good as him imo! We must have the best 3rd choice left back in the league by some distance! We do have loads of cover for Rosicky, Theo, and VP, it’s just that loads of players getting injured in the same position will fuck anyone. VP and Bendtner out at the same time is a fucker, but imagine if Chelsea got Anelka and Drogba out at the same time, or Utd Rooney and Berba!
I bet when we spunked our transfer budget on yet another 5 foot 5 tricky player, Ferguson was laughing his head off.
wenger needs to diversify a bit. we cannot win anything with 11 clones in the team. you need a mix of styles and we are simply too easy to out muscle right now.
Song and Bendtner are our most important players in the squad, which just about says it all really.
A – Our replacements are just not good enough. Our first choice team isn’t good enough. I accept the Clichy one but we really should have questioned whether we could rely on RvP and the likes. They just get injured far too much. Its not even bad luck. They are consistent injury prone players. RvP’s injury came from a nothing challenge. As awesome as he is we should not rely on him.
When will we learn that these players will ALWAYS be injured. Our squad is full of mediocrity bar a handful of players.
Anyone else starting to fancy some Ben & Jerry’s? The fucking tub of Chunky Monkey is flashing up every 30 seconds at the moment!!
A Says:
December 3, 2009 at 11:39
How do you know what effect he has… …I watch him sit silent and agree with Wenger every game!
You always think you are right 100% of the time like when you said Akinfeev is great at the near post and then he let in an easy one against Manure!
R-E-L-A-X
There it is again!!
I’d have to respectfully disagree taig, both are good enough imo.
2 games ago we just needed a routine win against Sunderland, and a home win against Chelsea would have put us top of the league. Now all hope is lost, none of the players are good enough etc, the overreaction to a blip that has lasted 2 games is incredible
Taig ive been thinking the same thing lol….Bit cold for it thou.
You’ve gotta love Freddie Roach!!
huh Gunner8?? I never said anything about Akinfeev being good at the near post, think you’re confusing me with someone else…. I’m very against spending on akinfeev, or any new keeper
Pedro
Losing RVP and Bendtner means everything the main focal point for incorporating our wing forwards has gone.
Pedro, fact is, we have undergone a huge project. The financial fair play and 6&5 regs are going to hamper our rivals greatley. Blatter and PLatini call our model the perfect model and it should be an example.
You forget that the days of huge billionaires turning the fortunes of small clubs around are limited.
I think its important as its a personal interest of mine. I am, however, a football fan first.
Quick quiz for anyone – who can name a modern football club who has moved stadium and maintained thier relative level of competiiveness?
Gunner8 Says:
December 3, 2009 at 13:14
A Says:
December 3, 2009 at 11:39
How do you know what effect he has… …I watch him sit silent and agree with Wenger every game!
lol – so rice should be having a go at wenger during games on the side of the pitch?! an assistant manager’s job is primarily done behind the scenes, on the training ground, not during match days, and certainly not disagreeing with the manager on match days, that would be simply ridiculous
So, we have a poor game and get over 500 responses by lunchtime.
When we were winning game after game (only 3 weeks ago), we got perhaps 200 responses by 13.00.
The level of negativity on here is overwhelming and I cannot be bothered to remind LG’ers that we support a great club who have had a shite 3 weeks …. the loss of RvP, Clichy, and NB. Followed by 3 defeats.
At least Pedro puts up a constructtively critical post , and not just AW is a c*nt, a useless money grabbing manager and should F off now.
Would YOU shake hands with someone ( a Welsh Northern Monkey) who called you an “effing wanker” in front of millions of people not 20 minutes previous?? I sure as hell wouldn’t.
we’ve lost vp for 2 games anyways, and imo he wouldn’t have made much difference in either anyways. It’ll take a few games for us to see what sort of impact he’s going to have on our ability to create and score goals
A you make a statement like it’s a fact, did you see that Damned United? That’s what a number two does, behind the scenes my arse, what on earth do you base that on.
A – You mean Gibbs and Traore? Yeah, like I said, you may be right there.
But I think we have done well to get this far and now the inevitable is happening. All those people that wrote us off at the start of the year are beginning to show us why they did so. Yet again we had the Rosicky being ‘like a new signing’ and RvP will finally stay fit. We are still shipping an ridiculous amount of goals so has Vermaelen improved us as much as we need at the back? probably not. What haven’t we learnt from the last 5 years? Something is going wrong and after 5 years not a single person can say it is down to bad luck! That just doesn’t happen.
Big Raddy
Bang on.
However well wenger has done with a small budget and however good the players are that he has brought in, the factors that make a football team either string or weak have not changed and will never change between now and the end of time.
wenger looks like he is trying to re-write the conventions of the game but winning with a team of similar style players, playing pass and move.
But back in the day when we had Vieira, Gilberto, Henry, Adams et al, he wrote the blueprint right there for a perfect team, of powerful athletes that mixed defence (thanks to Big Tone) and offence.
The players we have now are equally as talented as the invincibles, but they dont possess a range of abilities, so they are rendered useless. Chelsea wouldn’t win the league with 11 Joe Cole’s, even if he was voted their player of the season.
No I’ve not seen Damned United. So an Assistant Manager is employed for his duties on a match day?! AND he’s meant to disagree with the manager whilst the match is going on??
Rather than generally sharing the manager’s duties, taking training when the manager is off signing players or taking different groups in training, being a sounding board when discussing tactics and such like offering an opinion then?
I agree with a lot you said. But you’re wrong about Gallas and Vermerlen – they are rubbish defenders – the entire back line and replacements are woeful – we’re not going to get forth this year. I’d love to chat more with you about this. This club is in BIG trouble – WENGER has totally lost the plot. It reminds me a lot of Hitler’s bunker when Adolf refused to accept the war was lost until he practically saw IVAN with his own eyes. This club is going down. What’s going to happen when there’s no Fabregas to sell to pay the mortgage, beacause it’s been a long time since WENGER has nurtured any real talent. And Wilsire and Ramsey are decidedly average – maybe under Ferguson or somebody who knows what the hell they are doing the youngsters might come through and develope better. I really fear for the future of the club.
Has Wenegr been sacked yet?? Hope so!
Big Raddy – “The level of negativity on here is overwhelming and I cannot be bothered to remind LG’ers that we support a great club who have had a shite 3 weeks …. the loss of RvP, Clichy, and NB. Followed by 3 defeats.”
Change the ’3 weeks’ to 5 years and you’re heading in the right direction.
If you were honest with yourself you would know that high goal counts against very poor oppo is all we have done so far this year. You cannot only beat what is in front of you, of course but already we have lost to City twice, Lost to Uts, Lost to Chelsea and drawn with West Ham, AZ Alkmaar, and nearly got bent over by St.Liege. Its hardly prolific reading.
Same olde shite… I knew from being at the Chavski match that we were second best and we continue to lack any power on the pitch which is why we are completely directionless at the moment!!
I’m due to go to the Stoke game at the weekend too but at the moment I fail to be convinced that it will be worth my attendance because obviously Wenger can not motivate his players to perform.. he should step aside and let Steve Bould deal with the 1st team… fundamentally the club needs to be sorted out and a takeover will commence during the summer when the World Cup distracts some of the attention away from AFC aka Arsene FC!
taig 2 league games, 3 weeks is misleading! 2 games it’s been, and a league cup game, and suddenly we’ve got no chance of anything
My point is you said I do not know anything, what makes you the Arsenal Guru, oh and I am not confusing you with anyone else but it was over a month ago… …I just have a little more to my life than being a 24/7 blogger!
Just debate a little more rather then pressing your point like you are Gazidis himself that’s all!
Perhaps it’s just the way you express yourself on the web?
Sorry – *You CAN only beat what is in front of you!
Gunner8 noone who isn’t present in training, and listening in to discussions between Rice and Wenger can know ANYTHING about how well he’s doing his job…
That’s my point, so for people to criticise him it’s impossible for it to be based on anything other than ignorance, just as it would be to praise him
A – The question is did we ever have a chance of winning anything? We may do well in the FA Cup but that is most likely going to involve beating one or more of the teams that beaten us already this season. You cannot blame people for thinking the same thing is going to happen when Wenger is doing the same things? Its just logical.
gazzap well said, was proud of the boys last night though, thought they tried hard and at times the defending was what we lacked against the southern chavs!
loved when Rosicky stole the ball off ade’s feet in the box!
taig its not really 5 years though is it?
runners up in the league twice in that period.
champions league finalists and semi-finalists
fa cup semi-finalists.
granted, i will give you we have lack enough strength to win these tournaments, but dont make it sound like we have been pump.
our points tally would have picked up titles in our runner up seasons prior to the russian and arab invasion. we are just finding our way of keeping up with the pace.
Guys, do you see it. We SIGNED A 17 year old BRAZILIAN??? FOR 5 MILLION !!!!! WTF????
I’m confused Maximus, are there two of you..??
One posts about Arsene’s skinny arse, and the other one talks of edification and quotes Einstein !!
Pat Rice is a fucking YES man or he would have been tick tacked 4,000 years ago.
FACT.
Watch it then, you may then understand what a good assistant should do.
Depressing days for Arsenal. The CC am not as worried about (though it hurts) but I expect a good showing vs. the Potters. Have no doubt they will come to play and we had trouble with their physical approach last year as well. The rested first team needs to earn their wages, its about time Theo and Vela made their mark. Thought I would never be saying this but it hurts not having Bendtner the most with Vp out, he is the best possible replacement.
Cescs – Last years FA Cup run has got to have been the easiest route anyone has ever taken to the semis and even then we nearly got dumped out by Cardiff!! The same can be said of the Champs League. Its the same story for the last 5 years. When it counts we have fucked up. As soon as we have to play a decent side we are not up to the level needed.
I have no interest in being the best loser!! 2nd place is not 1st!
Since when were medals handed out for finishing lower than 1st in the league?! NEVER.
I just dont get how anyone can be happy with that!
I like it Gunner8 if only Wenger had the same spirit!
taig that’s a matter of opinion, we did have a chance of winning all three of the proper competitions, and we still do imo.
I wouldn’t say wenger is doing the same thing. In previous years we’ve been derailed because we havn’t had any attacking depth, so when injuries have hit us we havn’t scored goals or even created chances. This season we’ve got cesc, rosicky, nasri, arshavin, vp, bendtner, eduardo, vela, theo all of whom provide more depth than we’ve ever had before going forward! Then kids behind them in ramsey, merida, and wilshere all of whom could come in and be good imo. In previous years we got an attacking player injured, and eboue had to play, or denilson out wide, we’ve got more attacking depth than any previous arsenal team by some distance, and any other prem team as well!
Just to prove how ridiculous project youth is Wenegr signs a 17 year for £5m
And apparantley the player is getting £1m as a sign on fee, and the agent £500k.
Thst is fucking ridiculous.
The club is heading in such a shit direction.
LAzer – I’m worried about Stoke if I’m honest. They will see this as the best possible time to play us!! And if they win it will be by being stronger than us and working harder than us. Lets hope that is not the case!
Wenger is the best manager in world football, give him 4-5 years and we will be a half decent team.
ARSENE KNOWS
GEOFF!!!!!!!!!
Where am I!
lol
Geoff i’m not sure a film like that is going to be particularly enlightening, or accurate, especially considering the criticism it’s received for inaccuracies….
taig don’t be worried, i guarantee you we’ll win by at least 3 goals!
Odub, we’d have had six straight year of medals then, including the one we’ll get this year!
A – But the real problem is the defensive side of our game. That is where he hasn’t improved us. In fact he’s done the complete opposite by letting Gilberto, Flamini and Diarra all walk out the door! Everyone knows that the teams with the best defences are the teams competing to win the league.
A – And if not, what do I get?
Listen I used to watch Clough and Taylor on chat shows like Russell Harty and Parkinson, not to mention the ear bending Clough got from him on the bench on match days, fuck me even Ray Festa talks to Ancelotti.
Does anybody think that we do not has money??? When you think that, look we signed a 17 year old for 5 million!!!!! That’s enough money!
taig not necessarily, the team that beats the little teams is the team that wins the league. Utd had an amazing defence last year, but always scored at least one goal. If you’re scoring 3 or 4 every game then the defensive side of the game isn’t as much of an issue, and that’s how we’ll deal with the little teams. Just gonna have to see how we do now without VP. I’m not a fan of Eduardo centrally, I’d rather vela in there
taig…Of course Im not happy with 2nd, but I used those examples to show that we have been competing, and not some sack shit we have been made out to be!!
You cant pick who you play against, winning at the Bernabeau, winning at the San Siro only to be robbed by the ref at Anfield…
You can twist it what ever way you want
I wonder what our wage bill will be this year with all the ridiculous contracts he’s given out.
haroooo
By three goals A? That smacks of a bit of arrogance, I sure hope the players aren’t as complacent as some fans can be. Stoke will come to the party prepared and with a plan, if we just go out there to knock the ball about and rely on someone accidently scoring then we will be in for a rude awakeining i am aafraid.
A – Without looking, we scored as many goals as the other big 3 clubs but we conceded something like 20-30 more goals. Thats whats costing us.
I’d take Vela over Eduardo too. Its just a shame he isn’t as sharp as he could have been by now.
TAIG may I respectfully disagree (to a certain extent).
Of course you are right that we have not pushed on since the Invincibles, and have had no return in terms of silverware for 4/5 years.
But we have moved on as a Club, and we are in a great situation to push forward in the future. We are financially secure, have a great ground, are well placed in terms of youth and academy players ((the 6+5 rule). And we can play football that the Mancs can only dream of.
To say that AW has tarnished his legacy because of the lack of silverware is IMO untrue.
What Cescs MB says is tru. We are competing on a different playing field to the one that existed 5 years ago. Take out Arab, Yank and Russian money and we would win the EPL every year
Big R – well said…….we’ve (hopefully) has 3 shite weeks. Hopefully will get better form here.
Also the inaccuracies you mention were mainly about the way the Leeds players and Don Revie were concerned, that’s called poetic licence, not one member of the Clough or Taylor families complained.
Cescs – There is nothing wrong with competing but after 5 years of being unsuccessful you must take a step back and ask yourself what can you do to make that final leap to greatness! Wenger hasn’t done that! He has just kept on going with the same old game plan and everyone knows how to play against it.
I don’t think age is the key issue here, I think we are creating artists, in a game that needs more power.
There’s too much precision and no power. Simply put we are either bulk up as team or we are going to get pushed around by everyone.
Barca’s frontline that won CL had power in Eto, henry and even Messi anchored in the middle by Keita i think with Toure, Pique, Abidal and Puyol.
We just need more power. I think AW can do the job, he just has to go back to the builders to compliment his artists, otherwise there is no balance.
Lazer before the chelsea game the least goals we’d scored at home in the league was 3, and only the 3-1 against birmingham we failed to win by at least 3 goals
taig don’t be worried, i guarantee you we’ll win by at least 3 goals!
A,
I salute you!!!
Saying a team that’s lost 3 on the trot, and not got a single attacking player over 5 foot 10 is suddenly going to become good enough to beat those brutes 3-0 is just the funniest thing I’ve read all day!
Geoff. Good point about the Number 2.
Now name me another who performed like Peter Taylor over the past 30 years.
Do I hear an echoing silence??
Raddy from what u r saying Wenger has done his bit it might be time to pass on the baton.
Hey Raddy, correct me if I’m wrong but we were financially secure when we were at Highbury, we also had no debt.
And I was only paying half of what I am now.
Some progress that is. At least we used to win when we were at Highbury.
What Geoff?! The film was attacked massively by the cloughs! There was a big deal about it when it came out, and how if Clough was still alive he’d be livid etc http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/7950412.stm
Carlos Queros at Man U? Or would you like a few more?
Big Raddy – But thats just it!! We are not pushing forwards!! Wenger has stuck to the same plan that has not worked!! And he will continue to do it because he is so stubborn. Yes we have the platform to be great but its completely useless if we don’t make the most of it! We had bundles of cash this summer but Wenger thinks Denilson & Song are better than anything he can find in the market!!
George Graham and David O’Leary
Geoff Says:
December 3, 2009 at 13:52
Carlos Queros at Man U? Or would you like a few more?
I was about to mention him.
Odub pre chelsea we’d only failed to win one league game at home by 3 goals, and that was the birmingham game when we got 2 early goals and pissed about the rest of the game, and were incredibly complacent
Fat Sam and Sammy Lee, when they were together
Alan Shearer and Chris Hughton before he shafted him.
OK. I was wrong
Hoddle and Gorman
And we haven’t scored a goal in the last three…so your point is?? This is football, its here today gone tomorrow kind of stuff. I am not overreacting to the misrable 3 weeks of injuries and defeats but I also don’t think we should be assuming we will suddenly start scoring for fun again.
Sven and Tord, Raddy my point is that every manager I can think of aside from our two mate!
A,
RVP, Song and Clichy played in most (if not all) of those games. They wont be present on Saturday, so I’d say a 3 goal margin aint gonna happen!
I expect us to win all our home games, but I doubt we’ll win 3-0 on saturday, 2-1 maybe.
Rednose and Mclaren, Rednose and Kidd.
oh look, we have pullis and megson join in . Now watch all the British bulldog managers join in and condemn johnny foriegner.
Lazer we’ve failed to score a goal at home in ONE league game, against the team with by far the best defensive record in the league, Stoke are a different kettle of fish. Ordinarily I’d say we’ll score at least three, but could settle for 3-1 because of complacancy, but after losing 2 on the trot and the nature of the loss to Chelsea the players should be REALLY fired up to take them to the cleaners.
If we fail to win by 3 goals i’ll be very very surprised.
Shawcross is out, that should help slightly.
However we havent taken many shots in the last 3 games, how can we be expected to score without shooting on target?
I said I was effing wrong. What do you want…. Blood??
Why is it, every fan (including me) is pissed off with AW and Arsenal yet we keep pouring our hard earned cash into them! We complain, yet do nothing! ITS TIME WE REALISED THE BOARD WON’T ACT ON THIS, SO WE MUST AS FANS OR GIVE UP ON ARSENAL ALTOGETHER!!!
A,
I admire your constant positive outlook to all things arsenal, but I do think your 14.00 post is just bonkers!
only one of them has been at home Arse&Nose, and that was against the best defensive team in the country. We’re a different team at the emirates
How much Raddy? And what colour?
Torvill and Dean…
A&N forget nationality wenger should be ashamed of what he has done. he is 60 FFS
at the post match conf. he had the chance to try and straighten thing but he didnt. what do u expect other managers to say? well done. these guys meet almost every month for LMA meetings
Wenger is well respected by most managers. it was a very shameful thing to witness
Bonkers how odub?! It’s talking primarily factually!
ONE home game we havn’t scored 3 in this season, and it was against the defensively best team in the country.
ONE other game we havn’t won by 3 goals, and that was a 3-1 win against Birmingham where we could’ve destroyed them but were very complacent!
We’ll see at the weekend anyways!
I am back, who will be kind enough to update me with the last 3 hours in brief?
When N’Castle were unhappy, they protested! Why are we so spineless as supporters?
We should Boo after the next game, or stage a protest or hell, even not attend the game itslef! that would show them! Well the media anyway
A,
We’re missing 3 (if not more) 1st teamers, and you still expect to beat Stoke by 3 despite our form in the last 2 league games?
That’s what I think is bonkers.
odub we’re a totally different team at home, and chelsea are a totally different team to stoke, or any team outside the top 4.
We’ve been missing loads of players all season, we’ve got theo back and starting, eduardo raring to go.
Anyways, no point talking about it now, we’ll see on Saturday, and i’ll admit if I’m wrong!
Odub, I think Dizzie is bonkers…
Nasridine, Barca fans protested about Rijkaard…
Who cares if we win on saturday… We won’t win the league… Chelsea are far stronger!
I just think A is bonkers.
Same here A, if we destroy them, i’ll accept you were right.
Not going on saturday, and for some reason none of my mates want my ticket. I wonder why!!!
nasridane i care
I think Wenger is also bonkers
See Pedro! and now look at the success they’re having!
Myles Palmer is a cunt.
Just thought I’d throw that one out there.
But he reckons this will be Wengers last season. Despite talking an awful lot of bollocks, this one might actually be true…
But does anyone at the club have the balls to send him packing? If not then expect him here till his contract runs down – which I think is another 2/3 years. Unless Ivan & Stan have the cojones to end it for him.
Although EXREMELY unlikely – if Wenger were to win the FA Cup, and the Champions league, would the WAC brigade still feel the same way? My guess is not. There’s a lot of football left to play, and I hope we can turn it around, but that hope is diminishing by the game.
Stoke next. A big powerful, although technically inferior side – why am I suddenly not so confident we can thrash em?
Franchise, would you shake my hand if I called you a fucking wanker?
What are you doing with your ticket then odub?? giving it away for free??
Fran – “it was a very shameful thing to witness”
You sure Fran..?? Ho wdo you describe Hughes behaviour then..??
After calling Wenger a fucking wanker he will meet him at the same monthly LMA meeting you mention, and say what exactly…??
Afternoon.
Whilst I don’t think AW was right to act like a petulant kid with hughes last night, it does seem a bit odd that if hughes had been winding him up and acting the twat all night that AW HAS to go and shake his hand.
Anyway, just another sign that he is feeling the pressure at the moment on top of his ridiculous comments post the chavs!
A&N – No, I’d call you a fucking wanker and then shake your hand!
The trick is on Wenger for retaliating poorly that is if Hughes called him a wanker
A,
Asked for 40 quid, and suddenly everyone thinks that’s too much for an Arsenal game!!!
A&N, everyone shakes everyones hand at the end of a Sunday league match.
You wouldn’t be shaking many peoples hands if being sworn at offended you.
What goes on during a game, is over after…
lol tiag.
In that case, I’d spit in my hand before I shake
See thats what it comes down to Franchise… we accept Arsenal win or lose! We chat shit and vent our frustration on websites and we go all merry to the next game!… Whats that all about
I have trouble getting people to come to Arsenal… and I’m not getting many takers through the exchange.
i didnt see or hear Hughes call Wenger a wanker i only witnessed Wenger rushing to the tunnel perhaps to cry
A&N & Zorr0 – Nigel Winterburn, god bless him, has defended the non-shakey handyness of Wenger this weekend, basically becoming the only person in the media to voice how Hughes was acting the prat all game long. Although not in so many words.
Regardless of all that, how exactly do you shake a cunt?
Nasridine… what are you saying?
Fans shouldn’t vent?
Or they should boycott games if they vent?
Personally I just think shaking hands is an old fashioned tradition and it will die out.
If you don’t like someone why be fake for the camera’s and media. Well done to Wenger for sticking to his beliefs.
Pedro, come on, there is a world of difference between Hackney Marshes and pro football managers. Hughes is a cunt, but I would rather AW said after the game about the f wanker comment and ask the journos what they think. But we know he won’t do that.
There’s more than one way to shake a cunt Tommo
A&N – Oooh, thats naughty!
Zorro… what’s worse?
Being called a cunt by someone in a ground with cameras… or over hackney marshes?
It’s funny, Wenger is the only manager that ever gets accused of refusing to shake hands, but he’s not English so doesn’t really understand etiquette does he.
Geoff – “when we were at Highbury, we also had no debt.
And I was only paying half of what I am now.”
That’s cos there wasn’t club level
The best way for the fans to get the point across is for a 2 minutes silence at the start of a game!!
Of course this is all a complete waste of time as people will still be chanting Wenger’s name and hanging banners saluting him!! Pricks!
No pedro, don’t get me wrong… this le grove is quality, its a means for arsenal fans to connect and read all things Arsenal and many views. But what i mean is… we have to do more to change 5/6/7 years without a trophy
Not getting you there. On the marshes it’s acceptable. For Hughes to alledgedly call AW that it is unacceptable.
A&N do u really believe that or u r just trying to defend le Monsieur
its sports at the end of the day. in the spirit of sportmanship wenger should have thanked hughes for the footballing lesson we were given
Fuck me, I wouldn’t get that level of praise if I overly succeeded in my work every year let alone if I did did a constantly shit job!!
Zorro, why is it acceptable over there?
And ‘allegedly’.
Hughes was a complete piece of shit all game, disrespectful, agressive, and trying to influence the referee to get our players sent off. Complete fuckhead. Obviously the press ignored that though, and Wenger was too big a bloke to go down to Hughes’ level and tell the press that slag him off after the game
@Pedro
fair play fella.
NasriDane. Did I read that post right?
Are you suggesting that AFC fans…. Gooners …… should boo their own team?
It is bad enough that the Emirates is almost empty 5 mins before the end of the game.
Thank Goodness for the brilliant and wonderful Arsenal Away Fans.
Being English does not mean you are natural cultured, principled and have good etiquette.
All around Europe the English have a reputation of being drunken thugs.
Ahh, we’ve never seen Wenger square up to an opposing manager on the touch line, or influence the 4th official.
A&N, it does.
Don’t worry! Only 2 days to go until we can all spend 7 quid on a chewy piece of steak and a stale yorkie pud!! I’m so glad we make money now!
Raddy, they’re a right bunch of racist piss heads…
They sing loudly though.
BigRaddy… how would you suggest to change things? do you really want Arsenal to continue this way?
Fran, footballing lesson?
If you went to your neighbours house for a game of pool, and you used a twig vs his £250 super cue.Throughout the game he swore at you,accused you of cheating and then beat you, ran circles round the table and came up to you for a handshake what would you do?
Pedro, alledgedly because I did not see it myself, it is being reported. These guys are supposed to be professionals, calling AW a fw is so far away from that to be untrue and under those circumstances I can see why he did it.
Marshes is parks football. No comparison. Blokes playing football for fun and kicks, who gives a shit about swearing there.
Pedro – Its funny how Wenger picks and chooses how he should behave isn’t it! Not long ago he was on the verge of head butting Alan Pardew! Now he’s got all upset that Hughes was shouting at him! he just couldn’t handle the pressure th flakey bastard! And he’s a sore fucking loser!
A&N, if I had a £250 queue in the cupboard I would.
A&N – I’d call you a fucking wanker and then shake your hand!
A&N… if you had a perfectly good cue at home and chose to use the twig… You put yourself in that position!
if a player gets pissed off for the names he has been called during matches he wouldnt have any opposition jersey collection
Nasri. You are making the assumption that those working within the Emirates (from the Board to the Stewards) don’t want AFC to win the EPL.
Of course they do.
There can only be one winner. Last season the Chavs for all their big money signings won the same as us last year.
A&N if i was on 5m a year i would still shake the cunt
nasridane Says:
December 3, 2009 at 14:29
A&N… if you had a perfectly good cue at home and chose to use the twig… You put yourself in that position!
I just couldn’t be bothered to write it because knew everyone else would say it for me!
Hello Grovers,
Does anybody know if the Schalke goalkeeper Manuel Neuer is any good?
Raddy Chavs won the FA cup
They weren’t racist when I used to travel.
Piss heads ? Certainly !!
Hear I someone saying that arsenal don’t has the money???? WTF????? We do has the money, what I personally think is that wenger can spend around 40-50 million. We heard it out of wenger that we has enough money. He said it by himself. Something like this: I had the money but I thought that we had good players. And I’am sure we win something this season. The players are ready for it. Yesterday we hear it again!!: I will play the talents because if I don’t play them they will go!!!
Franchise. Did they?
Shows how much I know
Raddy… Difference is, they’re are on their way to rectifying that situation. Also they haven’t been trophyless for as long as us!
True Nasridane (er du dansk?)
But they still have no history…….
Ha ha, just watched City’s goals again!! My god Song was so far away from Tevez for that 1st goal and then got completely sold!!
I hope this doesn’t happen but, just say we actually lose on saturday.
What possible thoughts could go through Wenger’s mind ??
surely there can only be one !! My team is nearly there but, just not good enough atm. Think we need a good few players in January.
Nasri D (er du Dansk)
True but they still have no history ..
Wardo – I think the thought that will go through his head is “Hmm, what shall I have for dinner tonight?”
NasriD
But they have no history……..
Er du dansk?
I’m glad he didn’t shake the cunts hand. I fucking hate that manc piece of shit
“I’m like a retard magnet …”
I find your post persona quite attractive… oh shit, what does that say about me?!
goonermichael – Some would say its all about being the better/bigger person.
Stacy, it tells me you’re a retard.
Sorry…
I have nothing to say…
Maybe after winning fuck all this season Wenger will jump before being pushed.
The only way significant change can occur is via a change of manager, or a change of philosophy. It would be much easier for the club if he just sold the gimps, and spent the fuckin money on quality proven players.
If a player isn’t convincing you after 100 appearances, it might be worth sacking him off and getting in someone who can do the job.
The players that divide opinion – the yeasty ones if you will, with around 100 appearences for Arsenal in this squad. Is it not time to replace those who don’t make the grade? Who would you replace, and who with?
Almunia – 136
Diaby – 114
Denilson – 101
Song – 98
Eboue – 168
Bendtner – 106
Walcott – 111
Duke – But, you just sad something! Ready for joke Friday me old fruit? You! Me! Nick! Joke Friday! What could go wrong????
TAIG I know but I’m not a big person. I’m a cunt
Tommo, not bendtner and walcott and song.
goonermichael – Fair enough but, apparently, so is Wenger in that case!!
Personally I don’t give a flying fuck about the whole handshake ordeal we will have to listen to now for eons. If Wenger didn’t shake his hand I don’t give a shit, I just want to win every single game and wish he would atleast put a team that can challenge instead of all kids for the CC.
I see Arsene Wenger blanked Mark Hughes last night – Typical French, they never know when to use their hands!
Maybe. Hughes was in his technical area getting stroppy so I wouldn’t give hinm the time of day.
Tommo, that is a good point, but what bothers me more is that Diaby, Denilson, Song, Bendy and Theo all have that many appearances at their age. Because I believe they will come good, they just need to grow up, shouldn’t be near the 1st team now.
taig, yes yes, if I have nothing to say, doesn’t mean I won’t say nothing at all
Tomorrow will bring the spirits back up again
Let’s warm up a little then…
2 jokes for you on the same topic:
Remember – drinking alcohol can seriously harm your baby.
Especially if you’re in Portugal and can’t be arsed to pay for a babysitter.
——————————–
Why can’t Maddie McCann play Xbox?
Because I’ve got a PS3.
Duke – That last one is a good’n!!
tonyadamsisgod Says:
December 3, 2009 at 14:51
I see Arsene Wenger blanked Mark Hughes last night – Typical French, they never know when to use their hands!
HAHAHAH, joke Thursday it is…
taig, I know mate, I pissed myself laughing, read it out in the pub, and people gave me dirty looks
Pedro – “What goes on during a game, is over after…”
Mostly …but not always.
For some things the guy would have to be halfway apologising to see my hand and not my fist. Lots happens in the heat of the moment though..I’ll give you that
Our CB was called a black c**t by the keepr he’d just put a penalty past…fair play to the GK, he was in our changing room afterwards saying sorry for being so out of order.
That was very brave and very big of him. Commendable
taig,
I asked my girlfriend for a blow job the other day.
She said it wouldn’t be fair because I never do the same for her.
To be fair I didn’t know she had a cock.
Duke – ha ha…..save em, god damn it save em!!
hahaha you got me started now didn’t you?
I keep getting a pop up from Adult Friend Finder saying “Fuck Sexy Girls in Your Area”
What have they got against sexy girls in my area?
Duke – ha ha. Right, seriously now. Tomorrow will be boring otherwise! You’ll only feel left out when me and Nick are ripping up the stage!!
@Duke – loving that blowjob joke.
Fuckin dynamite!
hahah fair enough taig, I shall stop now, tomorrow will be a new day
Tommo, cheers mate
Right I’m off people! Play nice!
last friday was the funniest on le grove ever !!!
still think the Ram a Dam one was brilliant.
Also, Pedro’s video of the Dutch TV presenter laughing at his guess squeeky voice cracked me up !!!
wardo, a classic
taig, take care, see you tomorrow at 9
ha ha wardo!! Laters peeps…..
A Says:
December 3, 2009 at 13:33
Gunner8 noone who isn’t present in training, and listening in to discussions between Rice and Wenger can know ANYTHING about how well he’s doing his job…
That’s my point, so for people to criticise him it’s impossible for it to be based on anything other than ignorance, just as it would be to praise him
-erm A I have eyes and a sound mind and am entitled to my opinion… …he does sweet FA
You would rather have Vela in the centre than eduardo?
-in a front three the central player should be able to hold the ball neither of these two can they should either be wide or play off someone in a front two… ..FFS I would rather Senderos up front at least he would recieve the ball both Eddy and Vela get thrown to the ground and will never get a penalty due to the media witchunt on Eddy this season… ..Vela has had 4 penalty shouts waved away this season all fair on the replay’s!
Pedro Says:
December 3, 2009 at 14:17
I have trouble getting people to come to Arsenal… and I’m not getting many takers through the exchange.
-Pedro but they are all Arsenal fans who would go to a game if they got the tickets right?
and I take offence to being called a racist piss head Pedro, I am a also anti-semetic!
seriously though that was a new low last night, the 2 cro-mag’s behind me were from the 80′s if they could have they would have thrown banana’s on the pitch!!!
Pedro, I think that did the trick with Stacey.
Fair do’s that video of Peds was well worth the wait til I got home from work.
My Mrs had a right chuckle too
cyber stalker
Our best formation was 4-2-3-1
_________Lehmann
Lauren__Kolo__Sol__Cole
______Gilberto__Vieira
__Pires__Bergkamp___Reyes
__________Henry
We scored many goals with that formation and were very hard to break down.
How could we use that today?? Well if we had all our first team available we would mirror that team but lack physicality and penetration but with a few acquisition we may not be too far off the mark in terms of being like that team but how successful our current bunch would be would depend on the tenacious nature and willingness to win displayed by all.
I currently do not see enough vigor or application put in by the current bunch despite not being near as talented as the above team.
____________Lloris
_Sagna____Gallas___Vermie__Clichy
_________Song__Flamini
__Nasri_____Cesc____Arshavin
____________RVP
Doesnt take much adjustment to look a good side but balls,workrate and hunger to win cannot be thought even by Wenger, do we have them?? Currently no.
Walcotts injured….!!!
At least thats what I’ve just been emailed!
Flamini is playing right back for Ac milan, the knob head would have been a legend if he stayed.
havent we been here before it seams to me nothing much as changed,there is a complete lack depth in this squad and this is not just something has just creped up these problems have been there for long while now and wenger has failed to address fans have been seeing for years and the hard cold facts are we dont have a top class keeper,dont have good cb cover,we dont have enoughexperienced top class cm players and we dont have enough top class strikers,thoe,nasri,edwardo and risicky all are comming back from long term injuries and clearly will need time and i dont think aa is not match fit.with all due repect to players like song delinson ramsey song diaby should not be starting none of these players are top class in due repect to song who has done realy realy well but realy he is squad player nothing wroung with mixing youth and experience because that what manu do.in jan he ran clean out of excuses because cleraly has the funds of at least 40-50 mill we can still win champions legue or fa cup but only if he does something about this squad and just getting 1 striker wont be anywere good enough wenger talked it enough and its no time back that up in jan
Leon I hate to mention it but you were comment number 666, I hope you are insured!
Leon, I happen to agree with your comment as well, spot on.
Remember when we could blood young players by playing
Djororu/Senderos alongside Campbell
Eboue at RB with Kolo,Sol and Cole
Cesc alongside Gilberto and Paddy V
Flamini alongside Bert and Edu
Reyes/RVP with DB10 /TH14
Clichy LB/Lm
But now we throw 17 year olds in with “experienced” 21 year old, policy is fraud.
lol,walcott injured again.seems like he is on some part time contract under which he will play 1 match every 1 month
Geoff, why did you have to go and do that? Leon’s structure is so hard to read that I usually just skip his posts, now I have to read it since you said it was spot on…
Theo out with a hammy!
ffs sake i transferred him into my fantasy team and made him captain!
he was going to be a big player against stoke too, very annoying
A,
I’ve given up on arsenal players in the fantasy league. I had RVP, crocked, and the second I put in Vermmy he started shipping goals and stopped scoring!! I’ve still got Cesc tho.
Gunner8, I had to listen to all that shit when I went away… some of the songs were shocking and no one batted an eye lid!
Right, off home… have a good one!
Theo injured… haha! Brilliant!
Same old, same old!
A – I didnt go that far, but I had my hopes pinned on him too.
My mate who texted me is pretty reliable, even though I haven’t actually asked where he saw or heard it.
Leon, spot on, this situation can only be recified by spending large amounts of money after years of mismanagement in the transfer market. We need a top class keeper, world class striker and then very good back/competion at centre back and central midfield. Problem is Senderos is out of favour (thankfully) silvestre (out of contract in the summer and not good enough) so if Gallas doesn’t extend in the summer we need 2 centre backs meaning 5 new signings in total. That clearly won’t happen under Wenger!!! All the above issues should have resolved over the past three seasons.
odub i’d never not have 3 arsenal players in, i took vermy out to get theo in, did it last night, absolute disaster!
i do seem to be cursed fantasy footy wise though so i do take a fair bit of the blame, i even got minus points one week, second i put in faye from stoke he got sent off
sharkey it’s on the official site! short term hammy, very annoying. Song suspended, noone else back
fabianski
sagna gallas vermy traore
cesc denilson ramsey
nasri eduardo arshavin
that’s what i’m going for
Walcott is the new Kieron Dyer.
“torn hamstring” Wenger said, thers no way we see him before Christmas.
A
I did have Vermmy,Fab and RVP at one point, but I just cant see me winning it with 3 arsenal players. A mate of mine is 3rd on the grove league, and i think he’s only got one arsenal player.
rocky, it says short term hamstring injury, not torn! sounds like a niggle to me, if so he should start midweek against olympiakos
if i didn’t have three arsenal players in it i couldn’t do it odub, could never have any chelsea or utd players in it either! Every ounce of my willing is at every arsenal player doing well and every player for our competitors doing badly, i could never feel one iota of pleasure at a chelsea or utd player doing anything good because they’re in my team!
When we need Walcott most he seems to let us down or get injured
the fact we dont have that many injuries only 7-8 players but because squad is so lacking in any real depth we realy need a squad of around 20 top class players at least and we have gallas vern sagna clichy fab risicky nasri rvp edwrdo but delinson diaby song vela ,theo ramsey, and this is the real problem be got aa to get the fans off his back but if players like fab aa rvp gets injured real problems and i dont anythig will change untill these problems are adressed
Cheers A.
I check BBC’s Football Gossip when I get into work and thats it other than LG for footie related news.
Occasionally I’ll scroll thru BBC Footie in the arvo for about 30secs, other than that I know those scumbags in the media have nothing worth telling me.
Its just lies, spin and unadulterated shite.
That boy is broken far too much.
Kinda pisses me off. Granted it’s not his fault but it does grate on me. Especially as someone noted above he has a fat contract for doing precisely bugger all.
I guess the same could be said for the majority of the squad at the moment though.
Wots ‘unadulterated’ mean anyway…
@Leon – we have more injuries that any other premier league side mate.
Although the bit about not having quality cover is right
SS – Pure.
A tad harsh on Song, playing out of position.
Did you notice all goals were results of Fringe First Teamer mistakes. Rosicky for the first. Silvestre letting SWP run 30 yards, and seeing him onto his only foot. Song for the last one.
Fabianski isn’t the reall deal either.
Sorry my bad, it’s Everton now we have a few back! But still, second most amount of injuries it pretty shocking.
Could this be because of the size of our players or is it because our medics are shite? I’d wager on the former.
I dont remember us having as many injuries 10-15 years ago. What’s changed?
yep sharkey it’s complete and total bollocks!
fabianski in goal, eboue/sagna, gallas, vermy, traore
denilson cesc nasri/rosicky/ramsey
nasri/rosicky/vela eduardo arshavin
two of ramsey/rosicky/vela on the bench, alongside eboue/sagna, silvestre, almunia, merida/wilshere, eastmond
even with all our injuries we’re far from down to our bare bones, really do have ridiculous squad depth nowadays, going forwards anyways
Pete Fabianski missed one punch all game! not a thing he could do for the goals, and made a superb save from tevez i think it was when through on goal on his left foot. Very commanding and took alot of crosses superbly, i’m a massive fan of his, he’ll be important on saturday
Duke,
Here’s Leon’s post ‘in English’
“The fact is that we don’t have that many injuries, its actually only 7-8 players but its because the squad is so lacking in any real depth.
We really need a squad of around 20 top class players at least, and we have gallas vern sagna clichy fab risicky nasri rvp edwrdo but also delinson diaby song vela ,theo ramsey.
And this is the real problem he bought AA to get the fans off his back but if players like fab aa rvp get injured, then we have real problems, and I dont think anything will change until these problems are addressed.
Yours sincerely Leon. ”
No offence Leon, but stick some paragraphs and capitals in please. You make some very good points, but I think there’s defo more people like Duke who skip them because they are quite hard to read.
Anyway, no offence intended pal. SharkeySure
Fabianski was super, he commanded the box on set pieces which we are usually weak at. He also has an awesome throw, and picked out our wingers several times with his throw.
@Pete The First – until January (well, until we eventually buy another keeper) who do you – and the rest of the grovers – want between the sticks? Almunia and his experience, or Fabianski for his talent, or Don Vito/Sneezy for their potential?
I’d plump for Fabianski, mainly because he is pro-active as opposed to reactive, seems able to command his area and at least has some games under his belt.
And lets face it, he can’t be any worse than what we’ve got can he?
Lol walcott is out again!
until January Tommo?! Fabianski is gonna be between the sticks for the next decade, unless Szczesny becomes the best in the world and displaces him in a couple of years
Injury update on Arsene-al.com. Sagna returns and Walcott is out. Unbelieveable! Dude hasn’t played 100mins of football all season I dont think.
Cheers Odub…I was only half asking…you should see what I found on line to expand my basic grasp of it.
Here’s a snippet: “free of extraneous elements of any kind”
Lets see Geoff or Ped work that into tomorrows post !!
walcott played what 45 mins + injury time!
Fabianski for me on Saturday.
Not wholly convinced by him yet, but as someone already said…at least he’s proactive.
forget chesney, we got martinez (argie u17 ) and Mcdermmot (ireland u17) who are supposedly destined to be the worlds best!
choy, maybe walcott takes ‘injury time’ literaly and thinks it is time to get injured ??
But seriously is he ever going to get a run of games?
The first game after injury and bam he’s out !
not many played well yesterday but I had Fabianski down as my man of the match. Maybe With Vela coming second. slim pickings though.
so because wenger has lost song and theo unexpectedly, someone who played 90 minutes yesterday will have to start again on saturday. Traore has to anyway. Maybe Ramsey can play again – he is young. Rosicky would probably get injured again. Still no Bendtner and wenger doesn’t say how long he is out for. Grrrrr.
I would be tempted to keep Vela in the team, on the left, Eddie CF, Arsh right. Nasri, Cesc and Den in the middle. Vela seems to be the only Arsenal player with any life in him at the moment.
yeah i’d go with that gazzap as a 1 2. Vela is very nearly there, made very intelligent runs and good work rate, playing with cesc, nasri, arshavin rather than ramsey, merida, wilshere the passes will be that little bit better that’ll result in goals rather than just not getting on the end of balls
shark my point is we dont have enough top class players you take gallas vern fab risicky edwardo rvp and aa out and there done.plus all of our attacking players are not match fit and they dont defend well as a team that comes from wenger who does not care about clean sheets as long as they score more than the opsition
this walcott guy is unbelievable how the hell is he injured again,weak as piss all these fucking players
Traore would have anyways gazzap, i was thinking the same about vela left, though he’ll probably be pretty tired, did a hell of a lot of running last night! maybe more likely rosicky or ramsey start but you never know
So we’ll be facing Stoke with no one over 6 foot again, and will have to cope with their freak throw-ins as well!
I also bet Al the clown will be between the sticks, hoofing balls upfield to his imaginary friend
Bendtner suspected back in under 2 weeks:
http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/epl_injury_table.php
Great website for keeping up to date with injury news, plus you get to learn what the fuck the injuries actually mean and how they affect the players.
vela is another weakling he needs to hit the gym
I felt sorry for Vela last night, he worked hard but was not being picked out with the right passes.
Fabianski was super yesterday.
Normally when a player is in on goal and shoots, you think uh oh they’ve scored and with Almunia its 99% certain it will go in.
Fabianski reminded me what it felt like to have a chance that looked like a certain goal being saved,its almost as good as the feeling of scoring a goal!
Tommo physioroom is pretty inaccurate though to be fair in terms of times out.
what bbk?! vela has a really low centre of gravity, and is pretty stocky, far from a weakling
Eh A! Not with you on Fabianski, but he could prove me wrong.
Tommo I’d go with Don Vito. I know it’s like picking one from a blunt set of knives. Almunia’s been shaky all season. Unfortunately he’ll be playing on Saturday.
Get the air raid helmets on for Stoke, they’ll be pounding the box all day.
we’re obviously at opposite ends of the spectrum Pete, mannone is our worst keeper by a mile imo, and will make a regular championship keeper at best if he stays in this country!
i expect fabianski to play on saturday rather than almunia, and it’ll be the start of his reign as numero uno
stoke should see so little of the ball they won’t get the opportunity to be “pounding the box all day” (that sounds very wrong)
Yeah but it updates – a rough estimate is better than no estimate at all.
We do have a freakish amount of players out at one time though. I feel sorry for Everton though, scouse they may be, they are fucked with injuries.
ArseyNose..I shouldn’t laugh really, but I reckon you’re right.
Sub him in the 85min every game…well when he next starts one that is.
Yeah Tommo, it’s ok for a rough guide, just find that it has players down as injured when they’re playing at times, but is good for a general listing
even the cross fabianski came for and missed was not really a problem.
Assume he had stayed on his line and not even tried to come for it. How would that have been any better?
He only couldn’t get there because he was blocked anyway. I basically could not fault his game last night and I rate him very highly.
Stoke only need throw-ins to pound the box.
Fabianski is what we need against stoke, staying on the line like almunia is suicide against stokes tactics.
I was very surprised when Mannone did as well as he did when he came in…cos I’d seen him on loan at (??) Barnsley and he was awful.
It WAS only one game to be fair…but it left a pretty bad impression.
stoke shouldn’t get into our half to get enough throw ins
Must admit Fabs grown on me recently, hope you’re right A and he does become a world class goalie.
Just wish Al would piss off back to Celta Vigo and give him the jersey already!
for me there’s one line-up aginast stoke.
With eduardo and carlos you has to good strikers in 4-4-2.
almunia(i hate him)
sagna,gallas,Captain Belgian,silestre
nasri,denilson,fabregas,arshain
eduardo,our mexican superstar
You must agree with this, because in this formation carlos and eduardo are on his best.
Leon 16.24.
There was NOTHING WRONG with your original post, it jsut needed some Capitals.
And some paragraphs.
To separate one point
From the next one.
Seriously, I’m not trying to make fun of you, just making what I hope is a helpful suggestion.
All credit to you guys posting when English is a second language !!! I can barely get past Bonjour, Beunos Dias, Bonjourno and Todo Beng!!!
Jeez A, look what you’ve started..you’ve got them all talking about ‘pounding the box’ now..lol
bob Says:
December 3, 2009 at 12:23
Dennis,Iam up for boycotting a game,which one do you think,Manchester United?I think fans all over the world will really admire our sense of perspective and loyalty.
Do you think i give a flying fuck about what supporters all over the world may or may not think!
My loyalty is to my club, not the self-serving arrogant wankers who are currently running the club. What’s your definition of loyalty? To blindly follow the current manager like a dumb sheep?
The only thing the board and Wenger understand is money, hit these fuckers where it hurts, show them we’re not happy with the direction the club is being taken.
completely and utterly disagree dutchman! We absolutely can’t change the formation we’ve been working on and the players have taken time to adapt to, fabianski has to start ahead of almunia, traore everytime over silvestre!
lol sharkey i wasn’t the one who started it, blame tommo for that!
Right,
Offski, have fun!
Night chaps.
So, A. But we has not the strikers for the4-3-3 formation.
Yeah we do Dutchman, Vela is good as a central striker, Eduardo though I’m not as much a fan of, but we have so many players who suit the two wide roles. We have basically no players who suit the wide 4-4-2 roles, it would mean any of Nasri, Rosicky, Arshavin playing out of position much more than in 4-3-3
I like the 4-3-3 but I would like some flexibility in formation. wenger did it when we were protecting a lead against Liverpool in the carling cup. it really settled us down defensively speaking. I dont think he has switched to 4-4-2 in any other match this season.
I think when we were beginning to get exposed last night, i would have been worth going 4-4-2.
I thought Merida offered his full back no protection whatsoever. wilshere did. wenger noted that and swapped them over, so that traore would get some extra protection after Traore got booked. It worked, but then the right side became exposed and Eboue got roasted time and again second half. It was mostly down to Merida I am sorry to say.
gazzap the whole point of 4-3-3 is that that’s just what we call it, it’s incredibly flexible, and fluid, but it changes when it needs to rather than wenger instructing it. it’s 4-3-3, 4-4-2, 4-5-1, 4-1-4-1, 4-3-2-1 etc etc, changes all the time.
I want to pound my fit bosses box all day long…
all well and good IF the wide men actually do their roles properly and help out defensively. If not then the system fails. But I dont think wenger speaks to them about the defensive side of the game.
you see other team’s players busting a gut to get goalside after they lose possession, we just stand there and hope the ball breaks forward again.
A, we have no personnel to play 4-3-3 at the moment, do we?
Vela seems to have brilliant understanding with Dudu, two of the upfront would work much better that pumping crosses in vain hope of actually any of them reaching the lone midget
Top post.
gazzap the point of having 3 centre mids is so that the wide men have more freedom and don’t have to do as much defensive work.
SUGA3 the only position we don’t have personnel for in 4-3-3 is the central striker, but we don’t really have personnel for 4-4-2, neither wide midfielders, and no DM for a game against Stoke!
well, and who is at fault?
as I said in the summer, the only purpose of bringing in Chamakh was to have him to compete with B52 and be a backup in the large striker department…
but no, let’s give a bunch of underachievers new contracts, shall we?
and Wenger is ‘killing’ players by playing them out of their natural positions – playing out of form Dudu as practically lone striker in the Chav game was fucking ridiculous, this should have been addressed at halftime, but we just don’t do halftime subs, do we?
Tommo. Maybe he would let you….
DDM. I support Arsenal. Not Wenger, not the Board-
When I chose my Tribe. I chose the Arsenal Tribe. They are my family. Red & White are my Tribal colours.
You are my family, All Gooners are.( Even the occasional lame brains on the blogs).
It is no longer a matter of choice. I am a Gooner . Full stop. Always will be. It is for life.
Who does it serve to boycott the club?
who’s at fault for what suga3? I’m happy with arshavin or vela playing centrally, just not been impressed with eduardo there. I remember at the start of the season when people on here were clamouring for eduardo to play centrally because vp kept missing chances!
It isn’t a case of having a large striker, that isn’t a necessity centrally, it’s the need to have someone linking up the play, who’s good with their back to goal.
Eduardo is good in the wide areas as he’s better facing goal going forwards
Why can’t I post anymore?
Hey….. Is there anybody out there?……
That the spirit Tommo !!
You might wanna make it clear that she’s a woman though yeah….
On that note….
Night all….
SAK THE BOARD BRING BACK DEIN………..
SACK THE BOARD BRING BACK DEIN……….
Oracle, was Rioch the man that brought in Berkamp and Platt? Ok.
NOW..
DAMN…
I can’t believe the board’s just sitting there and watching the club flow down the drain. Someone should slap Arsene and bring him back to reality. I can’t stand this any more, for goodness sake he’s gotta buy more powerful world class players. Wenger’s too loyal to his mediocre group of players, HE HAS FORGOTTEN THAT HIS NO.1 LOYALITIES SHOULD LIES WITH THE FANS FIRST OF ALL. This is not his team, this team is ours, should we all die of high blood pressure and heart attacks first before something is done???
Almunia is pigs crap, and doesn’t deserve to be 2nd choice in this team. We need, so badly I might add, a world class goalie in the likes of Lloris, Akinfeev and Neuer. That defence is near solid, but for that “curtain” of a keeper called Almunia.
I’ll stick my head out for this present defence, but only after Arsene buy a quality backup for WG and TVerm. We need one of ‘em strong CBs from the italian league.
The Midfield’s almost perfect. All we need is one solid DM – Yaya or someone who can bully midfielders into submission. Wenger keeps on going on about how his boys lack the experience to compete at certain levels, but how does he expect them to gain experience and learn without the adequate experience in the team to learn from???
The attack’s shit without RVP… Ed not just the same anymore, he needs to come from the bench more often to get his form back; Walcott still is not learning and is just set in his ways. I personally haven’t seen any improvement from Walcott, he’s just to injury-prone(yes he’s injured again). He should, like Ed start from the bench until he has learnt how to be effective for the team. We need DZEKO period. He is big strong, and ready to throw his weight around. Before you say he’s a slow player watch the ManU CL match again. Arsene needs to get him before ManU get him.
Four players and we can become the “GUNS” of old.
Ole Gunners… Ole
Goon with no guns, go fuck yourself you prick, how dare you say Wenger should go back to France.
A,
height & power upfront makes a massive difference – putting a player who is below 6 foot upfront on his own and pumping wishful crosses in his general direction is just plain fucking stupid…
if this is AW’s ‘tactic’ then it’s quite poor for a ‘genius’, if the players cannot execute other tactical moves given by the manager, then we should replace them…
I would go for Fabianski in nets to counter their crosses not Manuel Stare at crosses with mouth openia, Silvestre at lb to counter their looking to get big man on the backpost, Traore needs a little time out,recap on his positives and negatives.
If we keep 3 at the back with Gallas,Verm and Sly it should make us more solid than with Traore and Sagna both being caught upfield.
Song will be missed I know your no lover of his Geoff but he will be missed at lacksadaisy Denilson just ponses around the park whereas Song gets stuck in.
Midfield will probably comprise of Cesc,Deni and Ramsey with Nasri,EDS and AA up top. I see a goal in it for EDS and hopefully will kickstart him but would prefer playing Vela as ye previously said he is more lively and likely to slip in.
Who’s up for 4 losses on the trot?
Pull yourself together Choy
Top post Pedro you said all the things i wanted to say, but much better!!
Oracle why would you think I would put your comment on when is was a fucking dimwitted one, do you think I’m as thick as you?
Well I’m not and it’s not, I hope that helps solve the problem.
Why is everyone talking about formations 4-4-2,4-3-3,4-5-1 who gives a fuck? you can play any formation you want but you still wont win anything if the players are not good enough, and sorry to say the present ones are not…….
Rocky I would be ecstatic if they both left.
And Reggie we have a manager who thinks they are so good he extends their contracts.
You love him really Geoff!!
Wenger does wat he wants cause David Dein is not in his ass telling him wat he should do to make the club better. CMON ARSENAL!!!!!!!!!!
Right im off to get a pedicure see ya!!
Wenger does wat he wants cause David Dein is not in his ass telling him wat to do to make the team better. Dein always had a big part in our success always whispering in Wengers ear telling him “this is the right move” wen Dein left and said that “there” way was not gonna bring us trophys thats wen we fell apart.
my thoughts exactly Chris – apart from that Dein was the muscle in the transfer market: name a ‘big’ signing AW made w/o Dein…
AdeNuff’s brother…???
http://uk.video.yahoo.com/watch/6535094/16964012
SUGA3
try arshavin
If AW wasnt going to shake Hughes’ hand, then he should have been a man and Paul Davis’d the wanker. Time someone took the lead and showed some fucking fight.
I said on here about a week ago that if either Ros or Theo got injured again then they should go.
One down….
Only been away for two days and already been offered three tickets for Stoke game.
Also, as I said on here, watch out for those empty seats!
Micky,
that was not too hard to predict, was it?
if you charge top dollar for substandard product, people can be taken for mugs only for so long…
SUGA You are in a fighting mood tonight mate aint ya!
Tom keep on taking the omelettes mate
Do you really think we lost this game because we played the kids? Our first team lost 4-2 earlier this season against the same mob minus Tevez. Thats 7 goals in 2 games. The kids are no better or worse than the team hammered by Chelsea. Neither of them can defend to save their lives or knock the top off a rice pudding up front. Don’t pick on Walcott when the defence has let in 6 in 2 games. It is the set up which has been exposed-and I have no sympathy when we sold City 2 of our best players at the beginning of this year-players we needed more than them!
hmmm…tomstoned….our manager is not learning from repeated mistakes…year after year.. last time i checked Arsenal are not a Facist club…our rulers are not omnipotent or immune to criticism…to be fair to the blog they pointed out the weaknesses as most educated arsenal fans can plainly see…remember Wegners words that it will fall on him if his policy fails, well tombstone you name is apt…
Tom, I don’t think there is rule book to being a fan.
I write what I feel…
Out of the cup, 3 losses in 4… feels familiar.
GoonerGerry, I think after capitulating to Chelsea, the first team should have been played.
We’re out of the league… and any trophy is better than no trophy.
I don’t think I can stomach watching the Manc lift a trophy again…
Tom, Colonel didn’t attack you at all?
You must realise Tom feelings are running high mate(even higher than you and thats saying something) the most ardent AW fan has had enough of the false dawns, year after year we have to put up with AW saying this team will deliver alas it has not.
Pedro as a fanatical fan is only stating what a lot of us are thinking….
Dont shoot the messenger….
tom its barely an attack….you just “attacked” the fans for other opinions than you.
Tom, fuck me that drivel you just posted makes me ashamed that you think you’re an Arsenal fan.
Clearly you have never been to a game, you are acting like a Arsene Wenger groupie, we were here long before he was. And you know what? We’ll be here long after he’s gone, unlike him and unlike you.
If you don’t like Pedro’s post, don’t read it and go elsewhere. Please don’t bother to insult Le Grove with shithead comments like that again, you are beginning to make me feel sick. In a stalker sick way.
Hey Tom you can fuck off, I am so incensed that you have the nuts to attack fellow Grovers you can go and blog somewhere else.
You are banned.
Tom just fuck off, how dare you talk to us like that, are you that important that you think behaving like a prick will get you attention, go and blog somewhere where your creeping arse kissing will get you some respect, it won’t here.
Reggie,
yep, quite pissed off, I just don’t get what benefit there was for the youngsters from getting obliterated in the second half? no plan B, no impact subs? You Watt? I love the Snoopy fella, but that’s just pisstake…
Vjs,
Arshavin – yep, that is one, I knew I should have added ‘bar Arshavin’, even this one was the most ridiculous transfer saga, almost (?) embarassing
like I said, Dein is the muscle…
‘In every game, you gotta have the brain and the muscle, the game and the hustle…’
Thanks for the RANT. It helped to ease the anger and frustration I’m feeling — at least a little — just to read it.
There must be something going on behind the scenes that would make some sense of what’s going on. Wenger is a very long way from stupid, yet it is not always obvious from some of his decisions.
Brilliant post.
Just how I feel!!!
Obsessed with project youth Ray, that’s the problem.
IMO Dein was the only person that any sort of consistent influence on AW – no offence to Ivan, but Dein would have him for breakfast…
I miss Diaby FFS.
Diaby lol…… :S
Jaguar, RU OK fella?
Or:
Are you
a) an imposter
b) taking a piss
c) enlightened to understand the errors of your ways?
Disappointment drips from the posts of nearly all Arsenal blogs today and it’s easy to see why. But lunatics like that horrible git Myles Palmer and even morbidly obese Jeff Winter just couldn’t contain their glee at Arsene’s refusal to shake the hand of the terribly decent and morally upright Mark Hughes. Winter, Palmer and some other moron named Cretino Breakneck (or something similar) have been masturbating all over their keyboards today, teetering somewhere between orgasm and bile. Hanging is just too good for Wenger it seems. He has sullied the great name of British sportsmanship and, along with that other appalling cheat Thierry Henry, has plunged Anglo-French relations to a new low. I am fully expecting Palmer, with his track record of remarkable and perceptive insight, to recollect the battle of Agincourt as proof that those Frenchies don’t like it up ‘em. I say here and now that footballing God Myles Palmer should be our next manager as he has been telling us all for years that Wenger hasn’t got a clue and I believe him. Who can forget his accurate forecast that Thierry Henry would never make a striker or his insider info that Patrick Vieira would have been an Arsenal player this year if only Hill-Wood had got to the bank on time? And Jeff Winter? He was, you must recall, the only referee who never made a bad decision.
Dein cared and still does care about Arsenal a lot more that Ivan does imo…
I’m sure he would have kicked Wenger up his arse by now. Ivan does not have the balls. He probably knows nothing about “soccer”…..
SUGA
Agree i cant see what benefit the young players got from being mullered like that,only to experience what is like to be perenial losers perhaps?who knows what goes thru AWs head…….
Sure you do Jaguar, Suga, I’ve met Dein a few times, he was the real reason behind our success, he got Graham in, he was on the FA, he instructed Wenger in the transfer market and he warned Arsenal they needed to buy to compete.
He was also a top bloke who would always answer a question and have a debate, unlike Wenger, who must be obeyed.
He even brought Kroenke in and was stabbed in the back.
Now there is no one to stop him, challenge him or stop lunatic Wenger obsessed fans berating us for suggesting it.
I think Dein is the answer, but it won’t happen will it!
Lou
Jeff Winter and Graham Poll what a win double there!!
Rather than giving Mark Hughes the finger, a Churchill salute or headbutting him Arsene Wenger chose not to shake hands at the end of the game with Manchester City. A wise course to take I’d have thought, given Wenger’s mood at the time and what had gone on before.
Quite clearly there was an incident for all to see in the game when Hughes intruded into Arsene’s technical area and called the Frenchman a ‘f***ing w***er’. Now if that was myself that Hughes had spoken to an instant knee in the groin would have possibly have been my first thought, maybe a Harringay kiss or whatever.
I certainly wouldn’t have just shrugged off the tosser, nor I imagine would many others. Le Boss chose to express himself in another manner. So here’s the question: If a known thug ponced up in a smart suit called you a ‘f***ing w***er’ would you shake hands with the **** at the end of a game?
No, me neither. Arsene was too polite to tell it like it was in the post-match press conference so I’ll say it for him. Mark Hughes has always been and will always be one of the lower life forms.
Add Uriah Rennie to make a treble !!!!
Geoff. I think you’re right about DD. He was and is Arsenal through and through and I know someone who knows him passably well so that statement is accurate. He had fallen out with Fiszman for a while before his departure but the reason is extremely hush-hush. It’s a shame that the Wenger/Dein axis was broken. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face.
Samir,
Ivan knows a lot about football (OK, ‘soccer’, he was quite a figure in MLS), but he is nowhere near Dein’s stature in Europe or in England for that matter
he’d sort AW out, if anyone…
Reggie,
it is unbelievable that he will not let the most talented youngsters mix with the first teamers in later stages of CC – that is a ‘reward’ for doing well ALL THE TIME: now there are some youngsters who were completely out of their depth last night…
since the FA Cup semi, I had my suspicions, now it’s official – if he does not buy big in January, he’s fucking lost it…
So Hughes called Wenger a F-ing W@nker??
Samir don’t get side tracked from the real issue, he put out a team to lose, he disrespected the Carling cup and the fans that pay good money to see their team, and he refused to buy players when we clearly needed them and had more than enough money.
Now another season is down the tubes before Christmas.
Can you see him buying big in january though SUGA?
People like Winter and Poll hid their general incompetence behind the shroud of imbecility. They now speak with the voice of experts, little knowing contempt they are held in. They actually believe their own hype.
Geoff,
agreed 100% – everything went tits up since DD left – didn’t Wenger not do the same (youth policy) at Monaco, where it failed miserably and they sacked him? seriously, there is the need to have someone to QUESTION Wenger to keep him fresh, instead of letting his brain become stale by blowing smoke up his arse…
Wenger explains: ‘where do I play all these kids’?
how about not hoovering each and every talented kid on the globe to pay them all fuckloads of money and win shit?
Reggie,
I think he may go for Chamakh, but he will end up paying the asking price, as Bordeaux know he is desperate and will tell him to pay up or go fuck himself…
I would love to have Kenwyne Jones, but Bruce will skin AW alive, so this is a non starter…
hattrick?
What really pisses me off is that we, as fans cannot really do anything can we?
What does Pat Rice actually do, all I see him doing is sitting beside Wenger nodding his head like a cheap Churchill dog……
Could he make a good manager?
” SUGA3 Says:
agreed 100% – everything went tits up since DD left – didn’t Wenger not do the same (youth policy) at Monaco, where it failed miserably and they sacked him? ”
Also, people tend to overlook that he inherited a defense of: Seaman, Adams, Keown, Bould, Dixon, etc for him to build that sexy offense in front of for all those Cups from the late ’90s early ’00s.
Samir,
I don’t feel there is any challenge coming from Rice there – it’s amazing that we are so shit defensively having a former right back as no.2, isn’t it?
Suga
Perhaps AW could do a deal with best mate Bruce, Diaby, Traore and 10 mill for Jones and Cana good deal all round methinks…
Billiken,
and the sexy front 6 was mostly French – World Cup & the following Euro winners in that time?
Billiken they also forget that when we won the double in 1998 all but three of the players were from previous management.
Cana, Jones, Subotic, GK and we have some spine…
That’s what I just told an AKB who e-mailed in.
He called GG mediocre and a cretin.
What a cunt…
Subotic is amazing on fifa
He’s got the speed,height and strength.
Not sure about him in real life though :s
Imo We could do better than Cana.
Shop around like we did for Vermy.
Catch you all later Grovers!
not going to happen though – Jones will not be sold for less than £15M, Cana is now worth at least 8…
we could do well with Chamakh, but B52 will be back fit in January and AW will think ‘there, no need to spend’ and will haggle for pennies…
laters, Geoff
Samir – yes, we can do better, but that is beyond Wenger’s own price limit…
How about Orlando Engelaar?
He was amazing with Holland then disappeared?
6 foot 6? fucking beast…
I say Engelaar, A beast of a Striker and Marco van Basten….
At 6ft 6 he could head away all the corners and free kicks
And at 30 he would not “kill too many youngsters”
looks quite powerful, this fella…
And he knows the passing game.
He was one that stood out for me for Holland in 2007. But then suddenly after Van Basten went he never played again?
I remember Everton were after him once. Then they decided on Fellaini instead.
at 30 probably would not cost the earth and is 3 years younger than Vieira, may be worth a shot…
we need to sell all the crap players we’ve got…they are not winners..
buy a new team of winners…we can pay 100M in wages to a team of underachievers..
Walcott gets 60K per week and he has played only 2 matches this year…we spoil them too much
lets get back kanu and PV in Jan…they are winners
yeah, we need DD back…
Wenger has lost it
ritesh,
I’d rather remember them as our heroes – this is the worst moment to welcome back a legend, we need monsters who breathe fire and their veins are filled with pure evil
Kanu lol, please tell me you are joking?
Samir
He’s being sarcastic mate!
and just to rub it to the fuck in, ATVO are now showing the game v Everton from 2005…
Henry, Reyes, Bergkamp, Fabregas, Flamini, Edu, Lehmann, Senderos (fuck you Wenger), Campbell and (dare I say) Cole…
*drools*
I would be v.happy with this in Jan;
In;
Englaar- 3-4M
A big CF- 10-20M
A big CB- 5-12M
If that does not happen then Van Basten would be perfect in the Summer to take over from Wenger!
Ohh
pheewww. You had me there.
I’m not saying we need to or should, especially since we have no idea how a new manager would pan out, but…
A new manager wouldn’t be so emotionally invested in all these project players and would be able to cut the chaff and keep what talent he saw then be able to buy to fill the rest.
Cesc would most likely be gone with Wenger, so that would be a huge kitty of money to start with.
If we are going to wait for this next group of potential stars that are 18-22 to mature, we are going to be waiting another 5 years. And I’m beginning to think that is Wenger’s timeline.
I don’t think Cesc will go if AW goes…
10 years without a trophy?
Courtesy of the Telegraph……
The Arsenal manager refused to shake his Manchester City counterpart’s hand after being defeated in the Carling Cup. Hughes thought his visitor ungracious and lacking in respect.
“We all hurt when we get beaten,” said Hughes. “No one is more upset than me. But you should always offer your hand.”
Wenger replied: “I think I have nothing to say.”
Before adding: “I am free to shake hands with whom I want after the game. I have no professional courtesy.”
It was a nice line, that, with its implication that there is nothing less genuine than a bad loser pretending to be gracious. And Wenger is one of life’s most evident bad losers.
But then maybe Hughes should not have been too surprised that Wenger refused to participate in the empty ritual of the conciliatory shake. After all, he is French. And when it comes to football, the French have other uses for their hands.
CUNTS.
I hope Fabregas would give a new Manger a chance.
It could be used as a excuse to leave however.
But as they say “No player is bigger than the club”. Merida or Ramsey could step up.
He is not irreplaceable.
what a fucking bunch of bitches there are here, unreal. girls.
He has the last 2 years at least (if you count Hleb and Flamini leaving as not what he was expecting) to see that no matter how talented.. how much potential (in his eyes) a team of mostly 18-25 year olds isn’t going to win.
If he is still grooming *more* 18 year olds to soon be 1st teamers… and he expects them to compete with the Chelsea’s and United of the world (EPL..lets not talk Barca, RM, etc), then yeah.. his timeline has to be anotehr 5 years. Or he’s becoming delusional.
huh wandarah? play nice…
well you know, this blog values my opinion – and my opinion is that the little girls that are having a cry about losing against man city with the team we put out (and considering how we got there, and why) – are really a bunch of screaming little bitches that cant take it when it’s up them.
some of these clowns were singing wengers praises to heaven when we shoved 6 up everton away.
girls always have extreme reactions. here, there be girls.
So you are happy we lost wandarah?
Excellent post today Pedro and I couldn’t agree more. If a manager in the States belittled a Cup Trophy competition, the owners would bury him: no matter the sport. To have a foreign manager sniff at another country’s sporting history is beyond arrogant. Those of you who live and eat in England are entitled to an opinion regarding something that is intrinsically yours. To embrace this demagogue for his position is puerile and a wreaks of grandstanding.
look mate, it’s obvious that our first XI assembled by AW is awesome (considering the unthinkable of everyone being fit), but most of us here said we needed more players and now it’s ‘we told you so’…
it’s not about having a cry about losing to ManCity, as that was pretty much expected given the squads, there are deeper issues that need addressing, clear for anyone bar Our Glorious Leader…
last, but not least, I think this blog does not stand for insulting everyone on here, so again, play nice
Wandarah;
What are you on about?
Of course we are going to be moaning, Wenger is buggering us up.
We are not going to be saying “Oh 3 great defeats, Wenger really is brilliant isn’t he wasting all our money on crap….. I think he deserves a payrise?
It seems every year I try to believe in this team, but by December that belief has gone along with 99% pride of being a Gunner!
we linked with Gignac
i didnt insult everyone on here, i insulted the people crying like woman – tearing at thier hair and demanding nothing more than the sacking of the manager, saying ridiculous things like our quite obviously successful youth policy is not useless because we lost against a team that spunked 1/4 billion pounds on a team.
these people can cry, and wail against the injustice of it all – but i wil gaurantee you now, a new manager may be able to buy 1 or 2 20million players, but that is all we can buy. to suggest anything else shows an extreme misundertanding of our financial position.
2 players will not win us the champions league.
if you sobbing woman want moriniho to come and work miracles, it wont happen.
the only manager for this club, until we are financial viable as a football club (i.e to the point of being able to buy at least 3 20 million players each window) without sinking into the debt which is already afflicating other clubs (and will get worse), is fortunately or unfortunately wenger.
any other agitation is delusional, stupid, and quite frankly at the moment, sad.
It seems we are linked with every player around 6ft ish….
wandarah,
we are just 3 players at £15-20M each away from world domination – that would allow to cut deadwood, put fringe players in the reserves, teach them all to win the fucking lot, like ladies & yoofs
that’s all – don’t mind AW staying if he makes the right moves…
oh, i forgot to mention: pointless.
am i happy we lost? no, idiot.
am i convinced by our first team? no.
do i think there are significant changes that could achive a positive result? yes.
do i think a change of first team management, at this stage is the correct way to achieve this? no.
do i think we can compete with chelsea or man city? no.
do i think we are incapable of competeing with chelsea or man city on a financial basis? yes, for the next 4 years, at least.
do i think wenger is quite possibly, the only coach to guide us through this period? yes.
do i think, if once outside of this period that we should persist with a policy of wengers which has inumerable flaws unless first team changes are made? no.
wandarah I know what you mean but you know, everyone has their opinions, suggestions and all.
SUGA3: the complexity of the situation is not made more simple by purchasing 3 players of X cost, at X ability.
do you honestly think if we go out and buy villa, and Y dm and X cb that we will achieve global domination?
we JUST played a team that quite OBVIOUSLY has not acomplished that.
Fabianski
Sagna Gallas Verm Traore
Evoue Fabregas Denilson Nasri
Eduardo Arshavin
or
Fabianski
Sagna Gallas Verm Traore
Nasri Denilson Cesc
Rosicky Arshavin Eduardo
Samir: despite what they teach in school, not every opinion is equal.
besides, I would like the manager to treat the players right – I just watched Senderos of 2005, fuck me, where did it all go wrong? he didn’t just become shit overnight and he is excellent for Switzerland, given lack of proper match fitness…
should have some balls while dealing with cheeky/problematic players as well – they offer something else…
Anyway’s I’m off.
Have a good one and “play nice” as Suga says
Wandarah, you really are a muppet aren’t you?
Who is asking for Arsenal to spend £60mill a summer? When would that ever be possible?
Never…
Are you seriously telling me that two world class signing this summer wouldn’t have us in a far better situation? To deny that shows a real lack of understanding on your part.
I don’t understand what period you’re talking about, you’re changing facts to suit your argument.
Our situation this summer was £40million plus at least £30million from the clubs profit.
I don’t see that as a situation…
You’ve even contradicted yourself in your two posts…
another major part of problems is that as a team they dont defend well at all the mentality of the team is to just out score there opisition i cant remember the last time this team kept a clean sheet which at one in a game there has been a defensive lapse and i dont just think thats dwon vern or gallas or song but as a team they have become sloppy defensively because they have gone on assumtion that they can simply score more goals than opisition and the fact is song vern and gallas have been one most consistant performers for the team so its not down to them and now goals are not going hope so easily now keeping a clean sheet is very important.
Selling Cole was one of Wenger’s biggest mistakes.
SAF fights to keep his players, Wenger doesn’t.
This so-called legend promised he’d stay…and in the same season he left. Yes I’m talking about Henry. Love Arsenal? Bullshit.
Love is Totti, De Rossi, Del Piero who stayed with their clubs through shit times.
We’re a laughing stock and have no icons at this club
Pat, I’m getting t-shirts designed at the moment… I couldn’t think of many players I’d want on the shirt.
Vermaelen, Cesc and Robin was the best I could come up with.
wandarah – yes, it is that simple:
- Beast upfront (not Villa, another midget)
- Beast in the midfield
- Beast of a CB
- would consider GK, but might be inclined to give Fabianski a shot with a team that has a spine in front of him
- sell some players that are just not good enough (won’t say no names), this will give some of our stars a kick up the arse…
no lets not go and spend 40 million on better players that won’t help us do fuck all,lets just keep things the way they are and get bullied by all the other top teams,no,spendng all that money won’t put you into a better position will it…..
wonderbra
chill bro
sell some players that are just not good enough (won’t say no names), this will give some of our stars a kick up the arse…That’s probably half this team then
forgot to conclude:
ta-fucking-da, problem solved
Wengers Way Out.
I’ve been thinking a lot about this today and i’m still convinced that Wenger has a face saving way out of the mess we’re in.
Simply state that the his task over the last few years has been to keep the club competitive on a shoestring budget. Whilst at the same time preparing a team for the future. By and large he’s managed that.
Then say simply that the financial situation is now much rosier and in 18 months time this team will win things, but that he wants to deliver success now. Then demand 50m from the board buy a centre forward, a defensive midfield player and a centre back possibly a goalkeeper and once again he’s a hero.
Wilshere and RVP love the Arsenal the most, imo.
I love wilshere. He seems like a little cunt(in a good way)! The way he niggled at Bellamy yesterday
pedro: you’ll have to be a little more lucid and coherent, are you drunk?
who is asking arsenal to spend 60 million? plenty of people are suggesting we should sign, x, or y, or x and y. read your own blog comments.
am i suggesting that a few more signing would not have made us better? perhaps, but we would not be first. we are punching above our weight, and have been for 3 years.
£30 million is not profit in the true sense of the word.
if that money is used to accelerate the exit of our position of debt, it can be construed as an investment. you seem to be of the opinion that £30 not spent, is £30 we should spend.
i am of the opinion that i do not think we could spend all of that money, and bring in a player, or players that would *drastically* affect our position in the table, or progress in the cup competition.
and, if we did – this negates any positive contribution that money has towards us exiting our current financial position more quickly.
essentially, and you may disagree – would i rather gamble on a short term ejaculation now – or would i guarantee a decade in which i could fuck relentlessy.
it is this very conundrum (the investment of an outside party aside) which afflicts arsenal fc, and wenger.
Yep, loved the fight wilshere had in him,
He can be our rooney
of course, that doesnt matter if you have the attention span of a chelsea fan.
Wilshere is like a little pitbull – I watched him a few times during games (little things you don’t see on TV) and he is just so lively it’s unbelievable: gets stuck in and cruises with his low centre of gravity, ‘Joe Cole on crack’ type…
Wenger hasn’t lost it.
He just needs to spend. No one, and I mean no one knows whats going on and whether or not he’s actually getting the money.
We’re constantly fucked with injuries. We have decent depth, but the injuries are ridiculous.
Don’t say everyone gets them, cause thats bullshit. We get the most and they take the longest. Cesc last season, RVP this season.
So United losing CR for a most the season(last season) or Rooney(this season).
CR has never had injuries at United. He goes to Madrid and he sits more than he plays ffs! United have been very lucky with injuries. Brown is better than Rio, who is and always has been vastly overrated.
wandarah
how can you still have faith in wenger when last season we complained to him about lack of experience during his open forum at the end of last year ,and still this season he ignored to address it ..
is 6 seasons enough of a drought for you ?
obviously NOT !
i think for REAL fans it is ..
either that or stop bragging that we can
win things
- you have AA23 asking questions of wenger ..
wenger typically picks the minimum level of experience to go into each game with .
he played song – denilson when trying to win the midfield battle Vs the chev’s and produced a totally inferior side V’s the northern chev’s .failing on both occasions ..
lest we forget sunderland also ????
If this is what you class as a master mind
we are in serious trouble !
wenger is delusional if he thinks he has a crack at the C.L or the EPL title for that matter this season , his focus needs to be on RETURNING TO WINNING WAYS , and appease his dwindling fan base ! and achieve believable targets like the C.C and F.A !
start small and gather momentum !
going from nothing to winning the C.L in 1 season is a good sports movie plot , but sorry the real world don’t work like that …
you need consistency
you are right wandarah ok!!
BBK what players would you like our esteemed leader to sign?
Brown is clueless Pat.
Fuck me what was we talking about!
wandarah, why wouldn’t we be first?
yes, we well fucking would be, if we had some more presence – our ‘physical players’ are Diaby & Bendtner, neither of them is defensive, the rest are 6 foot or less and we just get the shit kicked out of us – big players create space for nippers
Wandarah, not drunk. I just find your know-it-all statements irritating.
You’re making assumptions based on nothing…
We had a substantial transfer budget going into the summer, an even more substantial figure towards the end.
There is no debating that point.
Our debt has been restructured as a mortgage… you know what one of those is right? You know why you take one out, right? To allow a business to function and pay off debt at the same time.
£30million is true profit in every sense of the word. There is no other way to look at it. There to do with as the manager pleases… as confirmed by the MD.
I mean seriously, spending £40million wouldn’t affect our league position? Dear oh dear, what a statement.
We lost to £250mill worth of talent… so money makes a difference there, but it wouldn’t to us? You’re contradicting yourself again.
You see, you can make your vocabulary as flowery as you like, it doesn’t change the fact you’re talking bollocks.
Pat, I think our fitness team is poor. I’ve posted on it before.
Pedro
5 years of bad luck is tough to believe.
In business, you can’t blame luck…
Pedro, many of our injuries occur during international break though
I blame Ajax.
We played them in the Champs league about 7 years ago and they had a bunch of young lively little players that buzzed around Vieira in the middle of the park and ran the game.
Wenger has been trying to recreate that ever since. I am convinced of it.
Pedro, regarding fitness team: we’ve let Lewin fuck off to England national team – another easy snap from Arsenal, even the groundsman was ‘poached’
Pat, Theo has done a hammy… that’s being over worked.
Robin’s was bad luck. Rosickys earlier in the year wasn’t, Denilsons wasn’t, Clichy’s wasn’t… there are some serious flaws in out methods at the moment.
Suga, I’m talking about the fitness coach… I’m sure the medical guys are spot on.
I’m talking about the process before the players end up there.
Baxter, I understood the logic when we were moving grounds… but now we’ve got money coming out our ears… we should change the mind set… go out and spend if it’s needed.
Waiting 3 years for players to come good isn’t practical.
Is Cesc going to hang around forever, or will he want to challenge for things with a club who will spend?
Right, I’m off… have a great night!
Pat,
another thing: internationals…
where do I start? Chavs game – Drogba, Lampard, Terry, all ‘unfit’ to start in some two bob friendlies, then miracle, fit as fuck to spank us at THOF…
if RvP is so important for Holland, he should have told the Dutch FA to go fuck themselves – club, kid, pulled muscle, you know…
I agree Pedro. He needs to demand £50m.
We have it. He spends it, we’ll win trophies again. Wengers successful teams all had money spent on them.
The 1 game that RVP plays centrally for Holland.
It all leads back to Wenger playing him there for Arsenal!
wandarah,
Shitty have not achieved world domination, as this does not take a year and we were more advanced already, but we have declined a bit (sure, we’ve got a new stadium, but now the club struggless to sell out)…
and under Hughes they will be just Blackburn on speed…
1
Baxter, that’s always my point.
This isn’t Mark Hughes or Ruud Gullit spending 50mill, it’s one of the greatest talent scouts in the world.
He has the money available, he just doesn’t have the mentality to admit project youth is flawed majorly.
if you look at wengers career over the now 12 ish year period it can be split in half like …
1st 6 years = successful rise to world fame ..
(i think we will always be in debt with wenger for that)
2nd 6 years= frustrating -selling club mentality-
losing all the best talent , and retaining youth and injured players who failed to be sold on as his priority over EXPERIENCED PLAYERS in …
wengers minimum requirements deemed acceptable during the stadium rebuild stage …
4th spot – in EPL only ,to retain C.L proceeds
get this minimum spec each season and wenger can a continue to sell at a profit , and have job security …
if thats the sort of management you want to see
run the club then get ready for another 5 years of excuses .
Is ‘Project Youth’ just a vanity for Mr. Wenger or is an essential part of the board’s behind-the-scenes financial scam which puts their personal finances above the club’s success?
This giving Kroenke shares that he doesn’t need to pay for until he owns the club suggests that there’s serious financial stuff going on that’s in the interest of certain individuals and not the club.
Ray, if we had a wage bill of 40mill, I’d back you on the underhand dealings… but it’s 100mill… it’s hardly coming cheap!
i think most fans would rather marvel at the clubs ‘sound financial long term plans ‘ than what the clubs very existence is all about ….
F O O T B A L L !
win SHIT ! and the rest will take care of itself .
and i cant find any form of common sense when people say we DONT need to spend ..
whats the worst that can happen ?
we buy benzema for 25 mil !
next season he’s worth 40 ???…
RAY
which puts their personal finances above the club’s success?
————————–
spot on i feel what other excuse could there be ?
if your in charge of a football club and you start seeing signs of the ship sinking usually you do something about it !? dont you ?
at the very least ‘abandon ship’ !
pedro
theres always ways to cook the books . in any business .
and they are hardly successful business men if you measure the success of the football over the past 5 years ..
they would rather have a short term cash wind fall , whilst ruining the clubs immediate footballing history , over the sake of bringing in a few quality additions .which of course costs money which they FOR SOME REASON .. cough … they wont spend …
it all sounds WAY too fishy !
wenger has no problems in pocketing 4.4 mil P.A
but cant spend the fans money on quality players ?
Higuain is much better than Benzema
that’s very debatable Pat, Higuin was pants early on in his real career. I’m a big fan of his, but Benzema is absolutely class too, even though he’s finding it hard there at the moment
Higuain is the same age as Benzema no? Last season and this season he’s been great. And when you think about it, last season was his first real chance.
Benzema doesn’t impress me for France or for Madrid.
Yeah same age Pat, but it takes time to adapt to a new club when you’re young, it isn’t an age thing imo. I’m not sure he’ll ever be given the chance at Madrid, but if he doesn’t I expect him to turn out like Etoo, rather than Huntelaar
Still, one of those would do well at Arsenal. Wenger should just spend ONE summer damnit. Just try it out.
Lloris
Sagna Gallas Verm Clichy
Cesc Yaya Nasri
RVP Higuain Arshavin
Some bench depth as well, not world class necessarily
lloris pat?! Fabianski>lloris and that’ll be shown by the end of the season! RV is better than Higuain centrally too, surely there can’t be any arguments about his ability there now, or will people forget with him injured and we’ll start with the VP should be playing right, he can’t do it centrally etc etc when he’s back?!
Higuain-now that’s one player who i would like to join arsenal.out of all these youngsters out there,he would be the only one i would welcome
What really bothers me is pettiness. Buy Alonzo for 15 million win the league and sell him if need be for a profit next summer, but NOOOOOO, the board balk at upping our 13 million.
We lose out on the player’s service (EPL title was, of course, not guaranteed, but more likely with Alonzo than without him seeing the way the season panned out) and the board loses out on the player’s resale value.
gallas and vern need to step aside in that team
sagna gallas verm clichy-that’s not a very good defence
i am almost certain no gk will be bought in jan,but maybe in summer depending on fab and szczesny performances this season,no point discussing lloris yet.
I m so worried about stoke game,bcz i seriously think we could lose that one.we have song,diaby and bendtner out for this game,we will be lacking badly in physical aspect of game.who is going to stop their long balls!
i think senderos should be given a chance at dm
Ray you honestly believe that’s why we didn’t get alonso?!
lol bbk, i assume you’re joking about the defence? on paper that’s top top class
WB i’ll guarantee a victory by at least 3 goals
A,
is this ’3 goals guaranteed’ a mantra of some sort?
they are very likely to frustrate us a tiny bit – we lost to them last season, remember?
I think as we can relax and kiss league goodbye, now is the time to give Fabianski some game time IMO…
A, I’m not so optimistic about the game. This could easily be a repeat of our 0-0 draws against Fulham Westham and Sanderland, if not worse. We are really strugling in the attack at the moment (0 goals in 3 games), and other teams seem to have found a successful tactic against us.
A,we will see.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/2755789/Wenger-is-Edin-for-Bosnian-ace.html?OTC-RSS&ATTR=Football
just my prediction for this weekend SUGA3, a certainty in my eyes. We’ve only failed to do it once in the league other than the chelsea game, and that was against birmingham when we could’ve easily destroyed them by got complacent. Against teams like Stoke I still expect us to score goals for fun, VP or no VP, and we’ll be desperate to do so after the recent set backs.
8 points is kissing the league goodbye?! come on now – 2 games ago we were going to beat sunderland, then a win at chelsea would’ve put us top.
A,
we have lost the most important cog in our attack for a season, and no, whatever you say, there is no like for like replacement in our paper thin squad…
Stoke are just a bunch of good ol’ shitkickers and I am afraid we may bounce off them once or twice…
nah a im serious that defence is weak maybe on paper it is top class but in real life it certainly isn’t clichy and sagna couldn’t cross a road and defensively they are shit,gallas has lost it,and vern never had it,all im intrested in is them keeping the score down to zero and that does not happen enough for them to be a world class unit,
and AW’s stubborn persistence with 4-3-3 when everyone bar Our Glorious Leader and your good self says we have no personnel to continue – why let Vela & Dudu get battered on their own, when if combined upfront in 4-4-2, they would bang in goals left right & centre…
———Fabianski———–
Sagna—-Willy—TV—-Traore
—–Denilson—Cesc———
–Rosicky————Nasri—
———-Dudu—————
—————Vela———-
*stubborn persistence doesn’t help
sorry, it’s late…
Since winning the FA cup in 2005, our manager has been buying one kid after another.He has said that when his kids grow up ,they would be a force to be reckoned with. Sadly how many of the kids of the 2005 class are still around.
No one is indispensable in this world and age. If mistakes keep recurring it shows the same policy is in place.The problem with AW as some writers have said is his ego. Since winning the title in 2004, Arsenal could have won more trophies if he had bought more players with experience.
I think he better realized all the epl sides know how to counter the gunners. He has said these teams play anti soccer and hit the gunners on the break.These teams teams aint going to him time and space for his pretty weaving soccer.
In short Arsenal are like trying to burgle a house. Instead of stealth,he is trying to confront the owners of the house and in the process gets a bloody
nose.
A, tell my why we didn’t get Alonzo
I too am apprehensive about the Stoke game. With our total lack of confidence (and height) it’s hard to see us scoring or shutting them out.
But it is a home game and, if one or two players have something to prove, the current malaise could be ended as suddenly as it started.
SUGA3 let’s talk about 4-3-3 then rather than 4-4-2
4-3-3, vela, theo, nasri, rosicky, arshavin, cesc, song, denilson can play in positions that suit them better than any positions that exist in 4-4-2
4-4-2, eduardo, bendter can play in positions that suit them better than any positions in 4-3-3
there is noone in world football like for like with vp! arshavin, vela, bendtner, and eduardo to a lesser extent can all play the central striking role well. We’ll see anyways how we do tomorrow without vp.
In that team of yours nasri, rosicky, and denilson would suffer from playing in a position and system that suits them worse than 4-3-3, and dudu and vela aren’t exactly a great partnership as a front two, still no physicality….
Ray AlonSo didn’t get bought because Liverpool changed their minds at the last minute about selling him to us, simple as that! Their board vetoed the Barry deal, so they wouldn’t let Alonso go!
well, I recall to go back onto the winning streak as soon as fans learned some humility a few times, so there is a cause for optimism
Ray I expect us to destroy Stoke, as we have every team at home apart from Chelsea. Chelsea are a special case, and even against them with their superior physicality we totally dominated possession, but didn’t take the few chances we made, and they were superbly organised to prevent us getting through. No other team is that organised, certainly noone outside the top 4.
well, A, we just don’t have the physicality upfront anyway, so maybe, just maybe, two strikers with great movement could dazzle a defense or two…
way better than frustrating both of them by asking the to play upfront on their own and watch our fullbacks’ ‘crosses’ IMO…
no good partnership? I remember a few games where they linked up pretty well…
A,
how about Sunderland?
WB re Dzeko I wouldn’t believe transfer rumours in the papers, but you never know!
Denilson is a fucking walking crab football virus…
SUGA3 that’s the whole point of three forwards, with two starting out wide! It gives three players plus a midfielder or two midfielders freedom of movement, rather than being more confined to their positions as in 4-4-2! How many games have they played in a front two together?
regarding sunderland we are TOTALLY different away from home, compared to at home. VP wouldn’t have necessarily made much difference against Sunderland imo anyways. At home Chelsea is a special case, other than that game we’ve scored at least three goals in every game, and only failed to win by three goals once
A – come on, that is just bonkers: with RvP we would have obliterated Sunderland and given Chavs a game…
he is Mr Arsenal and he should be the captain, not Cesc…
IMO, with 4 in midfield there is more options to pass and move – it is easier against options that has physical advantage, but each to his own
anyway, with this hattrick, I shall bid you good night
SUGA3 We struggled to create in away games at Celtic, Utd, Fulham, and West Ham with him in the side. I’d say it’s far from guaranteed that it would have made that much difference.
We’ll see against Stoke though, we’ve played two games without him that we’ve struggled in the past in with him, a tough away game after an international break, and against Chelsea. The telling times will be situations as on Saturday, when with him we’d create chances galore without a shadow of a doubt
SUGA3 that leaves only 2 in central midfield, and one on each flank, rather than an extra man in midfield who can cover both flanks, or centrally, which frees up a central midfielder, and both wide men to have much more freedom! AND an extra man in there to help us in the physical battle!
anyways, nite nite
Ashvin says Arsenal are dwarfs playing in the land of giants. Well the latest is Arsenal are signing another brazilian . He is no giant.
AW better know the other teams are resorting physique to counter his bewitching soccer.
In the 2004 teams of invincibles,there were few shorties most were 180 cm plus.
Ashvin says Arsenal are dwarfs playing in the land of giants. Well the latest is Arsenal are signing another brazilian . He is no giant.
AW better know the other teams are resorting to physique to counter his bewitching soccer.
In the 2004 teams of invincibles,there were few shorties most were 180 cm plus.
ray
100% right people dont think of the possible re-sale of players ..
why buy senderos and make 2 million in 5 years .
or get torres for 24 mil and sell him for 50 in 2 years !!
knowing wenger and his phobia of being 30 or over , he would only get a 22 year old torres or alike .. so the chances are by buying ANY player we can stand to make more $$$ on a top quality signing !
wenger gambles on inferior starting line ups and resting players , so why not just go TOP SHELF and take a gamble ? ….
surely when you get a top class player you arent taking much of a risk .. and even if he is unsuccessful you dont stand to lose much ..as you can re -sell …
and surely not worth going understaffed because of it !
it would make me think that the board has no available funds or that it would stun cash flow
by getting new signings and remember its not very often wenger loses money on players ..
but getting rid of some dead would would ease the wage bill also ..
smart stuff that isnt being done .
I would love to see Dzeko come in. He’s class. I really think if we got Dzeko, Matuidi, and a CB (leave GK for summer) in January, we would have a shot at actually being a team capable of doing things. I think it would be better to play 4 in the mid, pair song with Matuidi, as matuidi is a flamini like box to box run everywhere DM, and song is huge and powerful. That would make things easier on back 4, and it would break more up in the midfield as Denilson isnt really that good at the defensive aspect of the game IMO. then pair RVP with Dzeko up front. Woooh!
New GK
Sagna-new cb subotic hopefully- Vermy- clichy
—————song————-
——–cesc——matuidi——-nasri
———-Dzeko————RVP
What a crock of shit. Everyone’s jumping ship again. Arsenal fans do my head in. We’re a much bigger club than the Carling fucken cup, and when win something bigger this year, all you witchhunters will be praising the genius of Wenger and the beautiful football AFC plays. Mourhino? the long ball specialist? No thanks. You dont win every day people. Deal with it. Pedro I expected more from you.
Fucking Walcott injured again?
Not that he makes any difference to us but fuck me does that cunt love an injury.
I hope Wenger never shakes Hughes hand again. He could make it his “thing” like a catchphrase.
go up to him like he’s going to shake his hand then do the thumb on the nose finger wiggle thing, or pull his hand out of his pocket and it has a massive sponge glove on it, shit like that.
He could do him with the old fake hand that comes off routine or have some dogshit hidden in his hand and start shouting “sparkys shit himself look at his hand!”
I’d fucking love that.
We’d all be wondering what will Old Wenger stitch Sparky up with this time? It could become a big deal.
Good Morning
“As for the other players we had injured, the long-term ones I do not even speak about. But the players who looked to be shorter – like (Gael) Clichy, (Abou) Diaby and (Nicklas) Bendtner – will not be available. And, of course, Song is suspended for the weekend.”
Great just great
Maybe Arsene will get the old boots out and play himself.
we need some tall players and Wenger is about 9 foot 6, he should get himself out there, he’d be alright defending setpieces.
8 pts behind if we win our game in hand.
Now think about it this way, City beat Chelsea this weekend. All of a sudden, its only 5 pts…if we beat Stoke of course.
As long as the players haven’t lost belief, we’re still in this.
The Blackburn-Chelsea game showed us how much Chelsea rely on Drogba. They’ll drop points in January, guaranteed.
Pat
We must consistently win our games. Then and then only other teams loosing ground has any meaning at all. If we loose games like Sunderland then all speculation becomes meaningless.
georgesydaust,
there has been a misunderstanding here – no one is ‘jumping ship’, there is just some general dissent on here about where the ship is going, that’s all…
and oh, morning all
georgesydaust
3 fuckin defeats on the trot ?
not so sure what your all gleeful about ?!
worst part about it is most fans with half a brain knew we went in LIGHT – ON this season and wenger did fuck all about it ..
the the year be 6 … with no silverware .
pray tell how are we a better club when we havent won it EVER ! ..
and NO littlewoods cup doesnt count ..
we have no cups with CARLING as sponsor on it !
we DONT OWN ONE !
the clubs didnt over spend like some do now
the game has changed and so has the trophy and more importantly what it means ..
you only think we are better than the Carling cup because wenger has brain washed you into thinking so !
fuck i could do with that ben and jerrys ice cream !
GOOD MORNING EVERYONE…..
http://www.imscouting.com/global_news_item.aspx?id=3853
http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/incoming/Premier-League-bosses-queue-up-to-proclaim-Arsenal-boss-Wenger-a-bad-loser-article243109.html
http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/opinion/blogs/football-banter/Top-10-reasons-why-Arsene-Wenger-might-not-have-shaken-Mark-Hughes-hand-following-Carling-Cup-defeat-10-10-article242565.html
Is is a coincidence that we’re playing crab football and lacking punch and creativity now that Denilson is fit?
i could totally understand the club if we won the thing a hat full of times !
wenger cant surely think he can still win
the EPL ?
he will throw everything at the C.L trying to jag a win ..
so if someone with a rational brain for success ran the club we would at least try to win some accolade to breed some belief !
it all starts there ! ….
there is no magical movie where arsenal suddenly win the EPL and C.L in the same year
from no where , being under manned and down on fit bodies !and there best striker out for 5 months (probably the year) & with a shit goalie
the only way to turn the ship around is start small but finish 1st every time .
i dont think too many fans would complain if we finished 4th in the EPL yet won the FA and cc cup !
beggars cant be choosers !
Arsene Wenger’s problems this week have mounted with the news England winger Theo Walcott has picked up a hamstring injury and will miss Saturday’s Barclays Premier League clash against Stoke.
Walcott, 20, played the second half of the 3-0 defeat by Chelsea on Sunday, with Gunners manager Wenger then selecting his fringe players for the Carling Cup loss to Manchester City by the same scoreline.
The hamstring complaint is described by Arsenal as “short term”, and Walcott will be desperate to return as soon as possible as he is yet to complete a match this season after shoulder and knee problems.
Wenger also has Alex Song suspended for the Stoke game at the Emirates Stadium but right-back Bacary Sagna has recovered from his ankle injury.
“We had Sagna out injured but, normally, he will be available,” said Wenger. “However, Theo Walcott will not be available. He has a hamstring injury.
“As for the other players we had injured, the long-term ones I do not even speak about. But the players who looked to be shorter – like (Gael) Clichy, (Abou) Diaby and (Nicklas) Bendtner – will not be available. And, of course, Song is suspended for the weekend.”
Walcott’s absence denies Wenger another option for the central striker role following Robin van Persie’s ankle injury, which will rule out the Holland forward for five months.
Eduardo and Carlos Vela shared the duties during the Chelsea reverse.
Wenger has not spoken to Van Persie yet but has positive news following his surgery and left-back Kieran Gibbs’ recovery from a foot operation.
“Kieran is doing very well,” said Wenger. “I had him on the phone and it looked to be completely fine.
“I have not talked to Robin yet but there again the news I got from the surgery was it went very, very well. There was a lot of disturbance on our side recently [about his injury] but the surgery went well.”
rohan
i think we play crab football once the belief is gone ! ( and RVP )
Premier league managers queue up to proclaim Wenger a bad looser.
Sir Alex threw a strop and blasted the ref when he lost.
Did all managers loose their voice?
Sir Alex is a good looser, one of our own?
eg,
Its crab blogging, all ganging to pull Wenger down
SUGA3 Says:
December 4, 2009 at 00:21
Denilson is a fucking walking crab football virus…
PMSL Fucking Comedy Gold
ddm,
I aim to please
So stoke with Dudu and Vela forward.
I dont remember us having any target man to play against stoke. We are badly missing a target man.
Wenger should have got Chamakh. We would have been far far better off.
Unbelievable!! Walcott is injured!!
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/2756788/Arsene-Wenger-hits-back-at-critics.html?OTC-RSS&ATTR=Football
Nigel Winterburn has leapt to the defence of Arsene Wenger, amid accusations that the player’s former manager – according to Manchester City boss Mark Hughes – lacked grace in defeat following Wednesday evening’s 3-0 loss.
“I don’t think he lacks grace,” he told Sky Sports News, before commenting on the importance of retaining cordiality. “I think it is more important to shake hands when you lose – if you only do it when you win then it looks like you are gloating a little bit.
“But you can look at incidents through all managers and see where they have done things wrong. I have done things in my career that I wished I hadn’t and regretted it but you live with it.”
He continued: “I would like to see him shake the hand of Hughes after the game. But what you have to look at is whether Wenger thought that he was being disrespectful and decided he was not going to bother.
“Or maybe it was sheer frustration and at the end of the game he was so disappointed in his team that he just walked straight down the tunnel.
“Hughes and Wenger have got a little bit of history going back to Blackburn. Wenger will say that if I am not happy with what he is doing to me then I am certainly not going to shake his hand at the end of it. There is no written code or law to say that you have to do it, is there?
“Wenger may not admit it, but when he looks back he may think maybe to defuse the whole situation I should have shaken Mark Hughes’ hand. But he hasn’t and it gives us something to talk about.”
The Daily Mail reports that the player is certain he has played his last game for his current club after spending some of last summer on trial at the Emirates.
The Gunners are believed to have had bids of £1.5m and £2.75m rejected as Juventude were holding out for £7m.
However, it now seems that the Brazilian outfit will settle for £5m, which will wipe out the club’s debts.
Zezinho has also been linked with Liverpool, but it seems that north London is now set to be his destination very soon.
“My time at Juventude ended on Saturday. Until now, I thought that I would continue in the Gaucho, but my agent said that it is impossible,” he is reported as saying. “He told me that Arsenal will submit a new offer to Juventude – the third in a year, it seems – and this time it will be solved.
“I don’t know about any other interested team. The only proposal is from Arsenal, the others were for trials.
“I don’t know about the price. I can only say that Juventude will receive 70 per cent, I’ll receive 20 per cent and my agent 10 per cent.”
However, the left-sided playmaker, 18 in March, would not be available to play competitively for the Gunners until next season.
Shaking hand is too much fuss.
Shaking hands originated in an era where there was no pressure on manager to dry hump the camels that belonged to the club owners like Hughes does now. It was relevant in an era when football was played in a sporting spirit and money and money were just two of the many reasons to be involved in the game, and not the only two reasons.
The tradition has carried forward and is solely based on the amount of respect that each manager shares towards the other manager. Showing the kind of disrespect that Hughes did while the game was still 0-0, I would have shook hands and gave him a piece of my own mind, I am sure Wenger would have done that had we not been outplayed and had we lost by just 2-3 or 3-2. But that was not the case.
The disrespect and the frustration compelled Wenger not to aggravate the situation by exchanging words with a manager who had already been on the cockiness of a teenage street player since the first half.
He took the right decision. However nothing should be taken away from how bad our performance was, and this episode is just the result of our display.
The team is not letting the manager speak up loud.
No one is dumb to go on and on about how the other team lacks history and we are glorious and not get retorted with “just look at the band of losers you have that we just spanked”
We haven’t scored a goal in 270 mintues of football.
Are we gonna break that duck against Stoke?
What if they get in our faces?
No RvP, Bendtner, Walcott, Diaby.
A miracle somebody…anybody!!!!
I hope these Dzeko rumours have something to them…I Really do…
Hopefully Jan should see Dzeko and Matuidi come in…
It isnt the first time Wenger refused to shake hands. It wont be the last.
Where is this club heading? Please. Where is it heading?
Morning All.
Walcott ?
OK, the guy may get 60k a week, but how frustrated must he be?
Morning all, new post, sorry it’s late!
I won’t shake the hand of a man who calls me a f****** ******, check the daily express.
AW is a sore loser? show me a good loser and i will show you a loser. somebody said and i believe him. We are all bad losers as shown by the above comments.
I still believe in AW and it seems that he is still perfroming well in the eyes of money, check out Chipo’s questionnaire @ 10:07.
He must buy! A keeper, central dfender,defensive midfielder x 2 & a striker ( one whos tough, strong big & can score goals like macDonald used to)
Wenger under pressure
Arsene Wenger has long cherished his reputation as one of English football’s great sages, but he will take no great satisfaction in seeing his most recent prediction born out.
Asked at the start of last month where he felt this season’s title race would be won and lost, the Arsenal manager was unequivocal in his response.
“November is important,” he said. “Traditionally it has not been a good month for us, but I explain that by the fact we had more injuries, it is the first period when they kick in. It depends on the fixtures too – you can have two or three difficult games in November.”
Now, as he stands on the cusp of the traditionally frantic festive period, Wenger can reflect gloomily on how history has repeated itself.
Arsenal’s title challenge, which appeared in rude health just four weeks ago, has suffered two devastating blows thanks to defeats at Sunderland and, more pointedly, at home to Chelsea, results which have left them 11 points adrift of their west London rivals ahead of Saturday’s home game with Stoke City.
Even the club’s famed youngsters have seen their progress checked in the most brutal fashion courtesy of a 3-0 League Cup quarter-final reverse at Manchester City.
Combine all that with serious injuries to Robin van Persie, Arsenal’s most potent attacker this season, and the reliable left-back Gael Clichy, and a season which promised so much is already teetering on the brink.
Next year, Wenger might just be tempted to relocate his summer holiday to the dank autumn days of November.
Criticism
The Frenchman has been his usual bullish self in the face of a fresh wave of scepticism over various aspects of his managerial methodology: the reluctance to spend heavily in the transfer market, the almost complete absence of rugged physicality in a squad overladen with small, scampering attackers, the dogged refusal to field his senior players in the League Cup and thus by-pass another chance to end a trophy drought which already stretches back to 2005.
Wenger has always been fiercely principled but there have been occasions in recent weeks when his determination to defend his methods has come across as self-delusional.
His refusal to acknowledge the performance of Didier Drogba after the defeat to Chelsea was remarkable for a man whose views on the tactical and technical nuances of the game are so renowned, while his sulky reaction to the defeat at City on Wednesday – Wenger stomped down the players’ tunnel without bothering to shake hands with his opposite number, Mark Hughes – was graceless.
Arsenal supporters are not turning on Wenger – indeed, it is hard to imagine a day when they do so in significant numbers.
But it is debatable how long they will be prepared to pay the eye-watering prices routinely charged at the Emirates stadium in return for watching a team with no realistic hopes of winning a major prize.
Wenger might yet come under pressure to overhaul his rigid footballing philosophy next summer.
For all their recent troubles, Arsenal should still have enough to account for Stoke on Saturday. The Potters might boast the kind of strong-arm tactics which can traditionally ruffle the feathers of Wenger’s dainty team, but slip-ups on home soil remain a rarity for the Gunners.
Stoke are also notoriously poor travellers, having won just once away from the Britannia stadium all season, although they have taken heart from Arsenal’s slump in form.
“I’m hoping that it will play into our hands,” Andy Wilkinson, the defender, said. “But you don’t know, you don’t want the backlash of it. We’ll need to be right at the top of our game.
“Our away performances are much better than last year. We’re going to places, we’re believing in ourselves and we’re not letting the occasion get the better of us. But by no means is it going to be an easy game for us.”
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Hands down Arsenal has some of the worst fans in the premier league.