How funny is that then! The £40 million Hughes has spent on two of our rejects have both lost their form and it’s not even Christmas yet! Serves the bastard right. He says they have both lost their form but he hopes it will return tonight, now where have we heard that before???
He also said ‘Some clubs won’t go into the market and spend £5million on an 18-year-old. Arsenal have done that on many occasions. They spend significant amounts of money on young talent and, at times, the experience of the so-called youngsters is greater than you would think’
Wenger is often lauded for his frugal transfer dealings, but Hughes insists that a massive amount of money is instead spent by the north Londoners on acquiring young players from around the world.
Well thats what I’ve been saying for two years, so he’s right there, he claims Arsene says he doesn’t spend on big players because he likes to bring on the youngsters, but it’s a false economy because by the time they get good, we could have bought a ready made that would have worked years ago.
Take Theo, Ramsey and Denilson, between them they cost £16.5 million, add the money they have cost in salaries and then you can work out how much they have really cost, and none of them are regulars, we could have signed 3 world class players and got change out of that and they would have been ready to go 4 years ago. And yes, that included the £4mil discount Southampton gave us.
Anyway, lets hope the kids do us proud tonight and that the rejects have another shit game. Wenger also claims the experience the kids get from the Carling Cup is invaluable, he cites Fabregas, Bendtner, Song and Theo as examples of how that benefits the team, I’m not sure what benefit we got on Sunday, I’m not sure what benefit the kids get from playing 3 games in a cup they eventually get knocked out of, but there you go.
I can’t see how bringing them into the first team occasionally is any different, at least if the first team played in the Carling Cup, we would possibly win something, the Chavs will field their top team, shitty will tonight, the Mancs will by the time the final comes, but we won’t and I cannot see how getting beaten eventually will help our youth players develop.
Still let’s hope they go out tonight and stuff the northern chavs, let’s hope they show the first team what a bunch of losers they were against the southern chavs, and let’s hope we see someone in there, that can can step up, because what we have in the first team is not enough to win anything this season.
Go the kids, good luck, you have the hope of a nation on your young shoulders!
Have a great day Grovers and let’s hope we have a great evening as well! I could do with something to smile about!
3-3
What?
Well Gambon, if he doesn’t sign anyone, it isnt because he can’t see we need to strengthen. Its more likely that the board propaganda machine isn’t really letting onto us fans the real financial position of the club. Maybe they really do fear this football recession and are keeping a rather large nest egg for a stormy period, who knows. We don’t because all we ever do is guess.
AW knows enough about football to realise that we won’t ever win the league (or even a cup) with the team we currently have right now. Not a chance.
bbk we have a great stadium
Amd the Chave have just scored TWATS
tell chavs it is just a mickey mouse cup
That is some game up at Ewood.
we have the best pitch in england
yeah a stadium with no team to put into it
Franchise – Was that an ABBA reference ?
BBK – That I’m not you.
we won the sponge bob square pants trophy in July
Cmon Blackpool!!!!!
Chavs are havuing that type of season. Refusing to lose even in a “shit cup” they will win this game now.
Surely it is better if the Chavs go through. Then their players have another two high intensity games.
Who cares who wins the CC. Who won it last year??
We have the best russian player
likewise keyser
utd
Manure, BR…
did anyone say it’s a ‘minor’ trophy then?
i miss mangoonian
Wanc United won the CC.
bbk matt lucas is a gunner
keyser what is ABBA?
ballack missed!
Whos in favour of a takeover?
Is it a terrorist organisation Franchise?
keyser u r a nutter
one of the biggest problem with our team is that once we are a goal or two down,it never looks like that we are trying to come back in game.
i think wenger have collected a bunch of loosers,i never see anyone desperate for a win.
erm Thanks.
drogba misses a penalty
What a shite penalty.
drogba scored wb
blackburn win
drogba scorea actually
Blackburn Wins.
bburn through kakuta misses
Chavs out
ha ha
United will win the CC again. Coont
not so ha ha, AA…
losing in pens is not the same as getting spanked in 90 mins, so the joke’s on us I’m afraid…
mancity or villa wld win this year IMO
SUGA I can still laugh at Chelsea losing mate. Not comparing it to us.
€1m fine, and a transfer ban. He misses a vital penalty.
The Chavs must be delighted they signed Kakuta !
suga3 channel some joy from chavs loosing. there is really nothing much we can d. wenger calls the shot. life is too short
What’s the difference Suga?
How many times have we totally dominated the game and lost?
Night All.
It’s been emotional
Suga3 – I wouldn’t tell people how to react, you get accussed of harassment on here.
oh fuck that, sure I’m happy Chavs lost as well
thing is, there is a simple solution to this problem – monsters, but AW can’t handle them, can he?
That was an amazin bunch of plop
We were inferior to shit.
We have no arsenal fans in our team
We have no mix of experience and youth
We have no mix of Londoners and Exotics
We have no balance of success and gift
We have no balance of strenght and talent.
I love Arsenal yet we are weak, faulted, predictable and second raters
big Raddy…might I respectfully highlight a point from your earlier post..??
“AW said the game was not a high priority. He didn’t bullshit them. They went because they support the Arse through thick & thin”
Thats it for everyone….moan as much as we want but we’ll all die supporting Arsenal. There’s no alternative.
Fran. ManG went to the game
Wenger was pissed at hughes the second he stepped out of his allocated area to throw a ball to one of his players. Wenger flapped his arms and to me look like Hughes called Wenger a wanker (Fairly typical from Hughes) . Might explain the not shaking hands.
I was hoping to see Walcott play tonight, either down the right or through the middle, I can only assume Wenger is saving him for Stoke.
on the positive side: I am happy for some players today, but I want them to get some protection – buy three big ugly fuckers, or these fairies will get the shit kicked out of them week in week out and no amount of throwing arms or kicking bottles will solve this
Still gutted. The performance just felt spineless.
it was a pain to watch. we couldnt get any sort of rhythm i thought rosicky was shocking
Rosicky played like he was only there to make up the numbers – very poor.
The press are going to have a field day with Arsene not shaking Mark Hughes’ hand after the game – bad sport.
Spend some money Willy Wonker Wenger
same old tippy tappy going nowhere rubbish. why can’t we ever beat a player, i mean we never ever beat a player, we try to pass round them all the time.
our mission is to always support the team. let’s forget about this one and focus on the prem, i have a good feeling the chavs will drop some point at the new year.
all behind our team. there are teams who won nothing but still they have supporters. we all love this club, i personally can’t tell why but i just can’t stand any other team and thats the way it works. up gooners!
its important to have some contaxt i suppose. Our reserve were fairly comfortably beaten by a team costing £200m+ to assemble and held their own for 45 minutes. So it wasn’t all bad.
BUT that’s not the real question is it? The real question is why Arsene Wenger is allowed to get away with fielding a team in any competition that doesn’t cost £200m+ to assemble as well?
and in rosicky case.
when a player returns from long term injury he shines in the first games, and his level drops for a while, before he regain usual form. i m sure rosicky is still recovering and will come good, cause he is a great player
To coin a phrase by a famous manchurian
“That Joke isn’t funny anymore”
Enough is enough with the powers that be @ The Club. They have access to bundles of cash, spend it & piss this youth policy up the………….
It doesn’t matter that Chelsea or Man Utd will drop points cuz we will do the same, more so than them tbh.
i’m worried that we won’t come back from sunday, not this one. we always were going out with the team he played tonight..
and bellamy blocked rosicky for the first goal although he lost the ball and played shit.
then song fell on his arse in a poor attempted tackle and tevez finished well.
Rosicky is just a footballer and this was a game of football that he should have wanted to win, he was in that team tonight to add his skills and experience – he had a a couple of good touches but on the whole he was not up for the fight.
He might be a great player but he didn’t show that tonight.
thats what was hardest to take – it was the overall lack of fight..there was no temper involved, i wanted to see a red card for somebody taking Bellamys head off at least then you’d know they were hurting to lose.
It didn’t feel like they were playing for a place in the first team, it felt like it was a day out for one or two.
No guts, no glory.
Wenger does not understand that you don’t send a boy to do a mans job.
The reason Fabregas worked was because he had the heart and head of a man before he had the body of one.
None of these others, not one of them has that.
Rosicky was a disgraceful example today. Absolute Waste of space. No forward movement. On and Off the ball.
Shockingly Tragic especially from a “Senior” player.
talk about leading by example.
BW
Disagree with that. JW has alot of fight in him. He was 70% today.
Ramsey was played out of position because Rosicky was taking that space.
Not sure what the point of Eastmond was.
Honestly If we had a good winger that harassed Bridge we’d have looked half decent.
Rosicky was also far too central totally got in Eastmonds way and threw his game, gave us no width and didn’t track back.
JW is just too lightweight though. If he had any fight he’d have taken Bellamy AND song out rather than let bellend waltz through for the third.
Rosicky strolling back is f**kin burned into my brain…..Alan Smith was seething on Sky Sports. good on ya Smithy.
Wilshire is the only person to take some credit. our manager would want a reality check. you f***kin shake hands after a game. end of.
Guys, I didn’t see the game tonight, but were we that awful? I feel so empty by just looking at our results in recent weeks. We thrive to be better, yet we fail season after season. Why is Wenger so stubborn and won’t acknowledge that young players by themselves can’t win a tournament or a league.
Sorry for the negative energy, but I am extremely disappointed and I don’t even want to read the match reports. I got it taped though, I’ll check it out tomorrow.
Sell Ade yes. But surely you didnt expect Bendtner to come in and replace him?
That is madness.
the devotion to the younger players although admirable is fundamentally costing us season after season. its just not cutting it and it will be a miracle/fluke if we win anything. certainly not the league. ill tell you what. Id bring back Flamini in a heartbeat and take YaYa Toure while you at it. sweet lord 3 or 4 tough class pros would help us so so much….
My one abiding memory of tonight is when Bellamy and JW squared up. You wanted a senior Arsenal player to step in and tell BellEnd that any more trouble and he’d be sorted out, sadly we had no-one.
We need an enforcer.
Arsene is looking like a man out of phase with what is happening in today’s football and is leaving himself precious little wriggle-room. By adopting his present strategy of not buying established top quality players and relying so heavily on bringing youngsters through he may have improved the financial balance of the club but I have this horrible feeling that his admittedly high ideals are catching up with him. The last few weeks have been a wake-up for me and it seems very evident to these eyes that it aint working. I will refrain from going into a long and somewhat tedious list of who is and who isn’t good enough or which players will or won’t make it. But, as a Wenger admirer, I am feeling that January will be important. But then I’ve thought that every transfer window for the past 3-4 years have been equally so and I’ve always felt that we were short. I have that sinking feeling of deja-vu and I don’t think it’s a knee-jerk reaction.
“What I feel bitter about is that we lose in all the big matches,” said Andrey Arshavin.
I did’nt really care about the result. its our shitty attitude thats kills me. if more senior players had got injured we would have gone mental. song picked up another yellow so will serve a suspension.
Its funny, we normally collapse much later in the season
Willy Wonker Wenger
If you fancy cheering yourselves up go over to the one of the Manc forums. They are giving it the large one because their best team beat our under 12′s.
Poor cunts their team has all that arab dough and most of those slags cant even afford shoes.
When’s our next champions league match?
Wilshere looks a fiery character. As a player, I love Bellamy. I want players like that on my team. Absolute fucking cunts that give their all.
Wilshere seems like he has Rooney’s passion.
I wouldn’t even say City were that impressive. 1st half they were better, ye I believe they scored against the run of play in the 2nd. Especially true for the 2nd goal.
Hard to take consecutive 3-0 defeats when they don’t tell the whole story.
We’ve had 3 goals in 2 games go off that same post/bar. Really unlucky if you ask me.
If RVP or one of our players were to take those shots, they’d hit the bar and stay out knowing our luck
well zorro the balls been fucking kicked now mate.
what was your take on it ?
I wonder if Hughes will be gracious and shake the chairmens hand when he gets fired?
Wenger cuts an isolated figure now.
How he must miss Dein.
Sorry AW but you brought this on to yourself.
All you had to do was recruit a max of 2 more players after Vermaelan.
You reap what you sow.
In this case we the fans are paying for it too.
Thanks alot. Muppet!!
3 losses on the trot to domestic opposition, having scored no goals, thats zero, a big fat naught, & having conceded 7 goals. The state of The Club is dire, yet a win against Stoke this weekend & all our problems will be cast aside by Willy Wonker Wenger.
At what point will it be that someone of influence @ The Club says enough is enough.
Surely Wenger must realise that it’s gone wrong now? He has to know.
Maybe he has known for a while that we dont have the depth to last a full season.
Maybe he risked key players not getting injured again thinking
“surely this year our luck cant be that bad again…”
Maybe he knows what we all know?
The question is can he act on it now and admit defeat?
or is he just too stubborn?
If I was him I’d spend absolutely every single penny we have and say “fuck it, I’m fucked anyway”
Maybe he’ll do it this time?
He must know.
Yeah but we all know in Jan your options are limited.
We had the whole summer…no wait…we had the whole summer plus 40m from citeh…seriously he’s smarter than that?
Like I said after the Fulham game last season, the Emperor has no clothes.
It’s time we got OUR club back, it’s not Wengers.
Hey Arsene! Was not shaking the opponents hand The Arsenal Way? The Arsenal Way you keep naming on about, what a show of petulance, and what a great example to show our young players!!
Once again I’m embarrased by Arsene, this time by his actions and his rhetoric – “I shake hads with whom I choose” pathetic, grow up you child,
So go the whole hog Geoff. Call for his head, start the campaign. You are probably the most influencial Arsenal blogger around, if you don’t do it, who will?
I said the problem with Wenger is his ridiculous policy will end up with him going, and his legacy will be not of someone who did great things, but of an intransigent twit.
His fault. He said where would he get a chance to play his kids if it wasn’t for the Carling Cup, err, the reserves?
fate is calling you Geoff. Today’s headline MUST be, WENGER MUST GO.
You’re right, its time to get our club back.
Baxter, it has crossed my mind, it’s only the calming influence of Pedro that has stopped me.
Sound the first shots my man. Will you be the first to say what real Arsenal fans are thinkning?
I implore all season ticket holders to boycott one home game at the same time to show our dissatisfaction with the direction of our club.
Pah Pedro is a pussy!
Trouble is boys, if I started making noises I would have every arsehole and his dog on telling me what a cunt I was and how dare I.
Then I read the press today and we are being linked with another 17 year old, I find it a little disturbing to be honest, then we’ll wait 5 years to find out he’s Carlos Vela and not Messi.
And he’s costing £5mil.
Baxter, I’ll wait and see what he writes today, he was pretty steamed up last night!
It’s all a shambles.
When does Kroenke own enough to have a say?
Maybe that’s the only way out of this mess!
Geoff. I’m with you and others would be too.
The men through history that you admire, did they not have the courage to lead the charge?
Ha, ha Baxter, I hear you! I’ll be back in a bit, but I hear you, food for thought!
C’mon Pedro then, show us you’re not really the festival going liberal weakling that cried when Obama won! Bring the heat!
Cometh the hour…
Geoff.
Whilst understanding your annoyance (and mine!). It must be pointed out that AW has stated over the past 4 seasons that the CC means nothing to Arsenal.
As far as I can see, last night was just a training run out for a few first teamers – Mozart will have done himself no favours – and a game with the big boys for some kids.
To criticize AW for playing a weakened team is OK, but to call for his head is IMO an over-reaction.
2 pony games (Chavs / Subn) does not make AW a chump. There is clear progress in this team who are struggling with the loss of their two main strikers.
We will come good.
Raddy, i understand your restraint, but its not about one game so i must respectfully disagree.
Wenger is starving this club of oxygen.
Big Raddy i agree with you most of the time and to an extent still do, but when you’ve painted youreslf into a corner like Arsene has all that’s left is his idoiotic pride.If he all of a sudden decided to spend big on ready made players he would be admitting that the last 4 years have been a failure and a failed experiment.
Being in Australia insulates me somewhat from the hype and passion that the likes of Geoff and Pedro go thru and its testament to their belief and love of the club that they keep this up, more power to them and hopefully we will look back on this period soon and say remember when we couldn’t win a thing.
i dont think Arsene can change now so i think he will be given 3 choices by the board (hopefully)
1)Stop the experiment, have some cash and buy some ready made players
2)Stand down or
3)Be fired.
BR
It means nothing to Arsenal yet they’ve never won it.
Does that sound right?
see you all in the new post later
We have won it Iceman. And on more than one occasion.
OK it was called something else… Milk Cup/Littlewoods Cup/League Cup etc etc.
In fact one of my worst Arsenal memories was watching us lose to Luton at Wembley.
The amusing thing for me last night is that he says that the CC means nothing to him, and yet he storms off down the tunnel and refuses to shake Hughes’ hand.
Pathetic if you ask me.
I was stood right in the middle of the Luton end for that one, BR. Not good at all.
Yeah think I remember something to do with Littlewoods…
Yesterdays loss probably had the worst timing ever…
Talk about kicking a dog when he’s down eh…
Chipo.
If someone aggressively calls you a wanker in front of millions of people, do you shake his hand 20 minutes later?
It has nothing to do with AW’s valuation of the CC.
SFA would have chinned the ugly Northern Monkey
Gooners get pissed off about how the press & opo fans perceive The Arsenal, but the reasons were there to be seen against Chelski & now City.
YOU EITHER LOVE ARSENAL OR YOU DONT, AND IF YOU DO A TRUE FAN WOULD STILL LOVE THE TEAM EVEN WHEN GOING THROUGH A BAD PATCH
Welsh Monkey Raddy, Welsh Monkey!
CAN WE BUY OSCAR CARDOZO OF BENFICA…HE IS WHAT WE NEED BECAUSE WE WONT GET DZEKO, CHAMAKH, AGUERO, RONALDO CR9 etc
Big Raddy – I think I’m with you on this one. I hope Pedro doesnt take it out on the players in his match report. The team that played yesterday had no chance of winning. AW clearly doesnt care about winning this competition. Also some of the comments here during the game were pure crazy, where do all these people come out from during games??
lol DDM
Welsh Northern Monkey
You tube clip for Cardozo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejiM9PdQj2A&feature=related
Thanks IA.
I’m out.
Back to bat for the PPositivity Team later……
Yeah screw Hughes, he squares up to AW and then pretends nothing happened. I remember him as a player and he was a dirty bastard. Nothing has changed, we should never forget he was a manc scum.
I don’t know what it does for the kids confidence to take a pasting like that, only to tell them that they are further away from the first team than they actually are.
I have a question:
Would it have been more damaging to our season to play a reserve team and lose, or to send our full-strength team up there, make lots of noises about how seriously you are taking the game, and lose?
I think Wenger picked the easy option.
Going there and losing with a full XI would’ve killed us.
I’m pretty nervous about Stoke on Saturday to be honest.
I just hope no one comes on here today and starts telling me about positives after my team got beat 3-0 twice in 5 days… Not in the mood.
wenger has lost the plot!! You can’t defend him for not shaking hands at the end!!
I lost my post!
It’ll be up at 0930.
Yeah he should have shaken the twats hand. It’s just the way it’s done, he comes across as petty. You can’t go on with this moral high and mighty and then when you loose it all pisses off.
ok
The thing is, I don’t think using Eduardo up front would have made a difference, we needed a Bendtner type player…Notice I didn’t say Bendtner.
Stonroy i completely agree – someone said to me “why didn’t you have your impact players on the bench?”
Errr who?
Eduardo? Nasri?
Cesc and Walcott could’ve made a difference.
Rosicky was utter filth last night.
http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/opinion/blogs/mirror-football-blog/Why-Arsene-Wenger-was-wrong-to-play-such-a-weakened-team-against-Manchester-City-in-the-Carling-Cup-article242277.html
We needed to chase/change the game and we bring on Watts!!! Not having a go at any of those lads, they gave their all (apart from Rosicky), I blame Wenger for picking the team and not having any decent backup on the bench.
Chipo. I hear You mate. I also think that we CAN lose against Stoke, especially with Denilson bossing our midfield. He is so crap.
It’s quite funny the perception of Arsenal being a powerhouse, but you loose RVP and all of a sudden we say who do we have now? We have no one else strong enough to lead the line, go back to his goals against Chelsea last year, who else on the team could have made that first goal? Nobody
I like Watt, one day he will be quality Odub, but not one of our players can play up top on their own, the only one who could is injured.
http://www.imscouting.com/global_news_item.aspx?id=3834
Yes we are unlucky, but we do have to many average players. Expect 60000 people singing the same One Arsene Wenger crap song on Saturday. Big Club with loser menatality.
Well at least Song is suspended so he can’t play both. He will have to go for it.
p.s. see my 14.56 post for a perfectly predicted line-up!
p.p.s. i will try and do it again
Almunia (i think Fab should play but he won’t)
Sagna Gallas TV Traore
Nasri Cesc Denilson
Walcott Eduardo Arshavin
I think the Stoke game is Eduardo’s last chance before Vela gets the nod.
SWP had Traore in his pocket all night long.
Denilson doesn’t think he’s crap!
http://www.tribalfootball.com/arsenal-midfielder-denilson-i-can-handle-premiership-rough-stuff-483061
It’s getting ridiculous now really!!
Mark Hughes is a dead man walking
It was great to see wilshire not ducking any challanges, it’s nice to see the fight back in the Arsenal, fuck we miss that passion for the cause.
This team is going nowhere because a lot of the players aren’t good enough, I’ve been saying it for two years, getting older doesn’t mean getting better.
Arsene Wenger is no Brian Clough, he’s done well and his teams play nice football, but I want my team to win, it’s time we had a manager that was made accountable, you know, like every other team in world football.
Stonroy we lost our 2 main strikers, not just Van Persie. A lot of people seem to want to ignore how much Bendtner brings to the team.
Against Spurs (full strength minus Theo), Bendtner started.
We had a front three of Nikb, RVP and Arshavin and we won. Funny that.
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