Jack Wilshere is targeting the quarter final game against shitty as his come back game, he hopes they will field their strongest side as he believes we can go on and win the Carling Cup.
I wonder how Kolo and Ade the whore will feel trotting out knowing we only field our babies in this one, how will they feel when they get stuffed by them? The last time Ade played in this cup was the time he head butted a team mate for daring to challenge him, let’s hope he does that this time, he’ll get a smack in the mouth if he did it to the Welsh runt Bellamy, now that would be funny!
I would love Arsene to go through our players and tell us which position he sees them in, so Vela and Nasri on the left, Rosicky, Wilshere and Theo on the right, and so on, just so we could wonder amongst ourselves who might play where.
Suffice to say, I can’t wait for this one, it smacks of that time our kids tonked the scousers 6-3, with Aliadiere and the Beast getting on the scoresheet.
Other news is Wenger is tracking Barcelona winger 18 year old Israeli Gai Assuilin. He is one of their finest young talents, and that would be sweet, sweet, justice for them talking to one of our young kids, Karma if you like.
Get in there Arsenal, that’s what you should be doing.
I don’t know who he’ll pick for the Carling Cup game, and I don’t know if Eastmond will have a better game again, but I would like to see him, Wilshere, Vela, Ramsey, Watt and Coquelin feature along with Eduardo, Eboue and Rosicky for experience, maybe even playing Theo up front with Watt.
We sure do have options, but I want to win this one, what do you think Grovers?
Have a great day debating, I’ll be on later.
Le Grove is now smart phone compatible!
Pedro
Geoff
Boom… Boooom …. Booooooom
Avoidable Useless International Breaks is ANTI-football
Second
There or thereabouts…podium?
Hat-Trick
I don’t wish to be negative but City will field a strong side for the game. I don’t think they’ll tonk us by any means but I think it’s going to be tough. We’ll need a touch more experience in the side than usual I think. Which I hope doesn’t mean Silvestre at the back…
top 2000
say what
TOP X?
Sabeel do you have a life?
repost
http://www.studs-up.com/2009/10/of-idle-hands-and-international-breaks/
good read, Geoffrey, thanks!
Defintely would love to see Eastmond…
we should see him 3-4 times to really pass any judgement…i hope he rockets to first team like Gibbs
we should really win against shitty. maybe the kids can do it.
Just read the article.
Surely the karma would be if Barca signed Afobe and Aneke seeing as we stole Merida and Cesc?!?
But fk it, let’s get this kid too!
Chipo….i do…why do u ask….
i can spend some of an half hour of my busy office schedule only to le-grove right
second that, Rhyle – Shitty may rape us like Spuds did if we don’t add some steel – problem is, we can’t really risk playing Gibbs there, which may leave us exposed in LB…
and the fullbacks (Traore and Hoyte) were the cause of collapsing in the 5:1 tonking IMO…
Sure this kid from barca is interesting stuff…but dont think barca would allow that now…after Fabregas result…not for a cheap price for sure…
Theo walcott was the only teenager where we spent like 12 million
top 20
Stick or twist?
Surprise!
http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/-we-will-stick-to-our-policy-against-man-city
Morning all, I think the requisite karmic reaction is that all our first teamers say “Arsenal is the spiritual home of Messi and he aches to join us” so that the little Argy has to issue weekly reassurances to the Barca faithful that he is not going anywhere. Add that to Hill wood saying at every interview – “It is only a matter of when not if Messi joins us”.
That would teach those catalan whores(as Tomstoned would say)to stop their persistent coveting of our players.
Finest he says that but i reckon we will see:
Eboue, Sendy, Silvestre, Gibbs
and then probably Eduardo and Vela up front with the standard midfield of Ramsey, Wilshere etc.
I think we can do them with that team! It’ll be tough though..
Arsenal is in Messi’s DNA
Rushden & Diamonds is in Eboues DNA
while the fiscal benefits of picking up teenagers is clear I have to question if this is the best policy for the club.
We are picking up kids like Assulin with no connection or love for the club, paying them an absolute fortune, putting them in the shop window in the Carling Cup (primarily) and even, if they’re good enough, the PL and CL. No love for the club means no loyalty – Flamini walked out on us. You always get the feeling that Fabregas, despite his clear affection for the club, has one eye on the door.
The effect on the balance sheet is amazing but in terms of squad continuity, loyalty and sometimes (the marmites) quality…is it truly the right way to go?
The missing link is in Rooney’s DNA, Gambon.
good post Geoff hope jackie boy will be back for the shitty game
Morning bastardos!
Even if City field a strong team, given their curtrent form and the goals they are shipping, our kids would have a good chance against em… But the same(ish) side as last time out would do for me…
No problem
if liverpool were to be team out of top4…i would rather prefer the team that replaces liverpool to be everton or villa…
dont want City/shitty in top4,simply becos,they may become even more attractive with all there money for players of they would finish in CL spots..
Shitty dont have Match winners…other than robinho,who doesnt want to stay here…and with there money they r finding it tuf to buy match winners like ribery etc..becos including money,they dont offer them top level CL competition…
Dont want another chelsea do we…who r top from the season that abromovich completely took over
Hopefully RVP will play, but I rewally don’r expect any massive changes and I don’t doubt that most of the players will be squad players.
This is the way Wenger looks at it, if the squad beat Citeh this will be groundbreaking, if not and he sees some good individual performances, it will give him more options for the league, plus it will give squad players a game the equivalent to a Premier League game without it costing points.
We the fans of course want a win, but from managements point of view, it makes more sense to blood some youth in what is a challenging game. What if it means we see more of Merida, Ramsey, Wilshere and co. because they’ve proved they can handle high pressure games? There is only one way to find out, throw them in at the deep end.
When the draw was first announced, I wanted as many first team players in as possible, but now I’ve come around to seeing things from Wenger’s perspective, this is the best chance for the youth to break into the first team without it costing us points in the Premier League and to really show us who is ready and who is not instead of waiting another season. This is exactly the type of game you want youth players to show their skills in.
I do want RVP up front and captaining the team however
and leading the team from the front, and it’s undeniable that he would boost the chances of the youth getting another game.
Oh and this Isreali kid that Barca have and we apparantly want…
I havent seen any quotes from Michel Twatinni slated Barca for picking up kids from other countries football Federations?
Oh, but thats only Arsenal and Arsene who get slated for that innit… What a c*nt that twat is!
I say.. yaaay to international breaks! Portugal vs. Bosnia saturday..
and no C. Ronaldo! Can it get much better?
Rhyle;
Your point is interesting, but completely crap! Haha! Joking!
No, seriously, just look at merida, he has no affinity to the club and has agreed terms on a new deal, Coquelin and Sunu seem happy. In fact, I cant think of anyone that your point refers to???
Plus, the thing is, most of our kids are English now… You know? Like cashley and bentley!
Do you get my drift???
morning all! not sure who’ll play up front against shitty, maybe theo will be back? cant see eddie playing now bendy is out for a month or 2, watt wont get a sniff if he plays
morning all. Its a good time to be playing City as they seem to struggling to win. I think the best way to go abt it would be to add a few fringe players like Denilson & Walcott in there to give the kids a boost. I’d love to see Roarie Deacon in a cameo…that boy is explosive.
ArsenalDK…..yep we get to watch Dzeko again…i thought he was one of the bright spots against Spain.. his goal was clinical.
Gambon 9.34
We cant loose this one either way. Championed if we win – oh well it was only our kids if we lose.” great equation
gday all, any old boys around?
gday finest, how are you mate>? i hope rVP plays too
howevermuch we talk about messi coming to arsenal,it will not catch on as we havent won anything for 5 years.it was only when barca started playing amazing did the cesc to barca stories start.
only when we start winnig tropies will we be able plant our dna in other players.
with this team, i trully believe we can
On a side note, isn’t everyone overjoyed that Adebayor is finally (it didn’t take that long though!) showing how useless, lazy, arrogant, worthless and not even half as good as Bellamy he is?
£25m for that piece of shit! Ha! It makes me warm and fuzzy inside
Fabianski
Eboue – Bartley – Senderos – Silvestre
Wilshire – Eastmond – Denilson
Vela – Sunu – Theo
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This game is 3 days aftet the chav game, so it Wenger may not wanna play more 1st teamers in the Carling cup game…
Nasri moght be in the team though.
I dont want to see rvp play against shitty,he might get into a spat with the togo twat and get carded maybe a red or two yellows. while he is such great form at the moment we dont want to lose him
Good shout Finest.
RVP’s a good idea, and he would deffo carry the fight, but there’s just the concern around injuries.
Also he’s done really well controlling his anger issues lately…would this be too big of an ask of him..?? Could the red mist descend if City targetted him…??
You’re clearly a very bright young man Terry
Thats a decent team there ManG
chipo;
After the game at Wastelands, all the shitty fans were singing his after as they left.. I started chatting to a manc and was telling him, he’d soon be changin his tune and opinion on Ade… he looked at me like I was chatting shit (me? Chat shit??? Never!) I said to him, give it a few months and you’ll see… Didnt think it would be this quick though.
The ONLY games he will bother with, willbe against us and possible the Manc derby…
Afc – It was only a wind-up/giggle about Messi coming to THOF.
whoever doesnt play against chelea should play against shitty. i cant imagine wenger playing rosicky and nasri in the same team although it would be great.so either one of them should play in the carling cup.
Hey Sharkey! Thanks mate.
Terry;
I agree with you there. I just dont see RvP playing, well not starting anyways. He might come on, just for the penalty shoot out and score the winner!
RvP is the main man now, he is needed for our glorious and ultimately successful pursuit of the Premier and Champions League trophies!
sorry charyb1966 i just cant wait for us to start winning trophies again
Evening all
If Messi knew what was good for him he would request a move to THOF.
Third dividion???
Buenas noches Gnarley!
Mind you by the time Messi puts in his request to join a proper football club like The Arsenal, Jacky Wilshire will be @ the peak of his powers
gday gnarley, how are you mate?
you in sydney town soon or what?
Right back @ you MG.
Too right Gnarley, he would but the mere rumour mongering of it would wind up the smug crack whores of Barca(c. Tomstoned) no end.
No worries AFC – I’m with you on the need for us to win trophies now.
Mr B – I think we’re talking Blue Square Premier now.
why no nasri and rosicky in the same team? nasri will be part of the middle 3 and rosicky is more part of the forward 3
evo, in short no, but I see you are getting a new footy team out west. Not a bad effort by our 3rd string team to win 2-4
in India.
who needs messi ???? we have ramsey,vela,wilshere,nasri etc coming up
evo are you still up for the Islington Town Hall trip in May. Its getting more & more likely as each 3 points is earned
Merida, Jack, Ramsey are certain. More then likely Sendy and Silvestre at the back. Hope he doesn’t go Gilbert again but I can see that as well. Gibbs is senior squad but he gets a shout more then likely.
Last round we played some of our seniors back into shape so Walcott probably makes the grade as well looking for match fitness.
Its a toss up between Eastmond and Coquelin for the DM spot. And I hope for everyones sake Vela finally gets a chance to show his stuff.
……& also ManGoonian is doing his ride through the streets of manchester on a bus then too. That would be a nice one to join him on, if he doesn’t mind
i know arsenal tom. but wenger might want to be more solid defensively and may see diaby and denilson as a better option in the middle. i think nasri has quite a good defensive game and i hope wenger starts him there.also theo would have come back by then so i wonder who will play on the right
Well I can see what you guys are saying about RVP being targeted, but that would actually work in our favour giving me even more reason to want RVP to play this game.
Man City lose focus on the game and keep concentrating their negativity on RVP. Great. RVP can handle it, it gives the rest of the team more freedom, because RVP would be like a decoy for their focus.
If RVP was given the armband, he would lead the team and be focused due to the extra responsibility. Also, he would be mentally prepared because he knows to expect hostility from the blue Mancs. Wenger would give him an extra pep talk, not to retaliate etc.
Not only that RVP wants to continue playing in Premier League games so I don’t doubt his professionalism in this kind of game.
And it also puts Ade on the backfoot because he got a 3 match ban last time, and now he’s off the boil, he knows how careful he wouldneed to be with any one on ones with RVP or he could risk more of the same.
yes mate im up for the trip! glad we stuffed it to harbhajan and his cronies, fair bit of granstanding by him thinking he could fix us up 5-2, but it was the opposite by our C or D grade side! Tendulkar is the only bloke who is the guru!
Arsenal Tom;
You mean in the 1st team? For me, they are both 1st teamers. For the chav game, I’d go with;
Almoonia
Sagna – Vermilli – Gallas – Gibbs
Cesc – Song – Nasri
Rosicky – RvP – Arshavin
Since Gibbs is filling in for injured clichy, traore has a chance to impress…at left back
for shitty game
gnarley;
Yeah man! There’ll be plenty of room on my open top bus mate! But remember, its May in manchester…So bring your umbrella!
finest,
I had this crazy idea that playing in cups is all about winning them – what sort of benefit we got from Spuds thrashing us 5:1?
bleeding youngsters? yes, but only a carefully selected bunch, who are just slightly off being ready (as these will benefit), not the whole squad…
carling cup is a game for the younger gunners.why does rvp have to play.we can demolish them without rvp and also give the likes of vela and watt a chance to shine
MG
About Messi or Gourcuff, we are unlikely to develop players like that because Arsene concentrates more on the passing game than individual brilliance. Otherwise Im sure Fab4 could have been as good a dribleller as Messi.
and on the issue of playing RvP there – daft idea if you ask me: why risk him getting the shit kicked out of him?
we are to play Pool and Villa in December, and we play a game every 3-4 days – I’d rather keep him fresh and let RvP rough Adewhore up @ home (if the TT has the bottle to play)…
Alright you hairy ball sacks! What’s happening??
evo
watching Ravi Shastri doing the interviews (i rated him as a cricketer), he’s looking a bit like Freddie Mercury these daze
Finest – you’re prob right, RVP has worked wonders with his temperament hasn’t he.
Evo – Gnarley. All the best with planning your trips, it sounds almost Mecca like in its heartfeltness. (Not that I’m a muslim or trying to offend any!!)
One word of warning, get your tickets for any game you plan on seeing very very early if poss…the closer we get to a title games wise the more the tickets resemble South London virgins….very hard to find, even harder to get your hands on !!
Suga3;
Would you want to risk the likes of RvP, Gallas and Vermilli then? For the league Cup? Coz I know I wouldnt…
And, NO ONE is saying it should be a team of 11 yutes. Like the last round, it will be a mixture of kids and senior players and those who dont play 90 minutes vs the chavs…
Morning,
afc, that’s what you might think…but there were times when people actually cared for any trophy. Yes it’s a 2nd grade cup, but so what? Play your best team all the time, I used to get exited for Milk Cup finals at Wembley as I would for any other final. A cup is a cup, and the point is, in the last 5 years, Spurs won more cups than us. That’s just wrong.
hairy ball sacks????
How did you know Taig I hadn’t had a sack back & crack job
Salutations Grovers.
Without further ado, let us take a moment to hail the Lord Wenger. When in doubt, always ask yourself, “What would Arsene do?”
Siga3;
Ha! You’ve kinda answered that one!
TonyAUG;
Alrite fucknutz!
MG,
of course not (see my later post) – but let’s be realistic, shall we? Shitty’s first team away is nothing like Pool’s second string at home with the Carling Cup crowd behind them – do you seriously believe that Eastmond or Randall are a match for the likes of Barry or De Jong?
Fucking trouble you caused me yesterday Edmund !!
Death squad’s on its way….they just need your exact location…
Sharkey
I will take what you say on board. Speaking of Mecca, I heard today from a returned service man that the Arsenal fan Binladin is still potentially an Arsenal fan, i.e alive, though his kidneys are stuffed. I wonder if he would do a disguise to get to Islington Town Hall as well.
I know it might seem arrogant and probably a bit daft considering our lack of silver ware of late, but in the grand scheme of things, the Carling Cup is now a place for young players and reserves who dont play week in, week out.
I am happy for this to continue and I also believe that whatever team Wenger puts out, has a real chance of progressing. This hasnt always been the case, which shows me (anyway) the strength of our squad and the quality of our yutes…
One of Arsenal’s top celebrity fans, author Nick Hornby, revealed in an interview with the American edition of the club’s official website that the club’s disgruntled fans have been “spoiled” in recent times.
“I think the complaining is a measure of how spoiled we’ve become,” he said. “When I started going they hadn’t won anything for 17 years, and there was nothing between 1971 and 1979, or ’79 and 1987.
“Most teams don’t win anything most years. Why do West Ham fans buy season tickets? Or Everton fans? Because they love their team and they like getting out of the house of a weekend to watch a game.
“We’ve had two finals and four or five semi-finals in those four years, and one of the finals was in the Champions League, and though losing those games was disappointing, it still meant that we had something to play for at the business end of the season.”
He added: “In the end it’s about whether you enjoy going or not, and anyone who hasn’t enjoyed watching Arsenal in the last few years, especially at home, can’t really like football much.”
Hornby is the author of best-selling football memoir Fever Pitch, about his love affair with Arsenal.
Sharkey,
the closer we get to a title games wise the more the tickets resemble South London virgins….very hard to find, even harder to get your hands on !!
hahah well fucking said mate. Pissing myself here.
Suga3;
Are our Carling Cup team better than Burnley?
I think if more of our players learned to drible like henry or bergkamp it would be easier to brek down teams esp thoe that park the bus and a lot of top teams like chelsea(crowd the mid semi vs barca) and italian teams do that.
Suga3;
I am sure you dont mean to come over soooo condescending do you mate?
MANGOON…. spot on mate… that’d be my first team to, with eddie as the first sub to come into the front 3 if needed.
afc, i think nasri probably offers as much as diaby defensively, obviously allot less in the air but he doesnt loose the ball as much or play ridiculous balls around our area like diaby does.
Sharkey. Bring it on. You find me. Im not even in the UK at the moment
here he goes again..
Yeah you may be right Sabeel, maybe Traore gets a look in.
MG,
I reckon AW’s sticking to his principles is a bit naive, given the fact that not all the yutes will make it at Arsenal – thought of, for example, Gilbert playing RB v Shitty rather than Eboue makes me cringe: we are in it to win it, not to take part…
Suga3;
And anyways, the Arsenal team to play Man Shitty will depend on what happens on nthe Sunday before.
What would you rather?
We beat City, but lose to the chavs or;
We beat the chavs, but get beat by the City chavs?
I liked Fever Pitch, Hornby is a good author also, enjoyed some of his other novels like About a boy and Slam. But the thing is, I feel he tries to sweep everyone under his own understanding of Arsenal and support. Nick mate, I understand what you are saying, but people are different, and had different experiences with our beloved club. And success bring expectations.
ManUre haven’t won shit before the 90′s and we were the 2nd most titled club in England, now they are 1st. If they don’t win the title for 5 years (just title, not even talking trophies) everyone of their fans will pop their bubble, and no one will be telling them that they have been spoiled.
Nick lived through the 1-0 to the Arsenal period, and you know as well as me, that pretty football is all good, but priority is getting your hands on that silverware.
Also I know Nick won’t read this, but just getting some stuff of my chest. Just because you described your life in a book (being brilliant as it is) does not give you the right to say that we don’t like football.
I for one did not enjoy watching Arsenal vs ManUre in CL at home last season. So I guess I don’t like football much…
mangoon… rather beat the chavs, then providing we win our game in hand we’re top of the league.
we could beat the northern chavs and then get done by some other bunch of cunts like villa or the other mancs and its all worthless.
I think the fact City will play a strong team and the fact it is away will all be in AW’s thinking mate… I thought Gilbert and Eastmond did really well. Eastmond particularly and he was up against some decnet (for Liverpool) players…
Shitty won’t play Barry or the big names, Sparky is just trying to have a stare down. What he doesn’t know is that Wenger is the most stubborn cunt around and will never back down from his policy.
Last round we played some big boys cause they needed match fitness, I think this time Wenger throws the young brigade at em full force and pulls sparky’s pants down at eastlands.
duke,
would you rather have the premier league or the carling cup.why should we risk our first team players getting injured when we have enough talent to beat shitty.
MG?
you mean to the Shitty game? I wish I could, but my leave account is showing zero days until March
and yes, I think they are better than Burnley skillwise, however, I have one reservation – physical strength and experience which may count for something…
Burnley are no mugs either though…
when is this match against shitty?
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11670_5689071,00.html
nothing opens here at work? can anyone please tell the date & time?
surely, I would rather have us beat Chelsea – still, I think this shows that strength in depth is illusional in certain areas: abundance of options upfront (given the impossible of everyone being fit) but less than impressive at the back – our replacement back four options are a tad substandard if you ask me…
mind you, I think Silvestre and Sendy had reasonably good game v Pool…
ikon…
its wednesday 2 dec 19:45
afc, well we obviously don’t have enough talent as we have not won the Carling Cup for fucking ages.
Also why do people think that by winning the Cup we sacrifice the League? That’s not the way it works, and pre-Wenger, we used to play our best team every game.
Risk getting injured? There is as much risk of that happening any other game or at training, should we not train and rest Cesc, Arsh, RvP for all games beside the ManUre, Chelski, Pool games?
Anyway my daily meeting is on, catch you guys after a few.
theo should be back after the internationals so him or eddie will get a game i reckon, vela to. 2 out of them 3 means we can accommodate a kid up front no problem.
ramsey, denilson, eastmond/coq should be fine as well
Gnarley and Evo do you reckon you could start a petition and send to MrsAAA and get all the Grovers to sign it so I can come with you in May please!!
Duke;
Thats a fair point and each to their own. But I think along similar lines to hornby I giess ( my latest novel is available in paper back this week!) I think there is a sense of expectation that we should win shit, when that probably wasnt there a ferw years back. We had success under Graham, before him there waS fuck all for a long time. Then Wenger came along and won shit on a pretty regular basis. That has dried up hasnt it, but there have been extenuating circumstances for that and there have been a few new boys on the block, splashing cash like no ones business, added to our move etc etc etc…
Bottom line;
We might have to woit a few years to win something, so, what are you gonna do?
LAzer,
Shitty will play their strongest team, given their fixture list, as compared to ours:
http://www.mcfc.co.uk/Fixtures?showall=1
Suga3;
“reasonably good games” High praise indeed for you! Haha!
I think the squad has a lot of depth, time will tell though won’t it…
http://www.arsenal.com/fixtures/fixtures-reports
sorry
Hi all. Duke, Hornby isnt saying you dont like football, he’s saying that anyone who hasn’t enjoyed watching Arsenal in recent years can’t like football. That has to be true, surely. I am assuming you, like me, have mostly enjoyed the football (mostly) in recent years but, like me, have been frustrated to see our type of football result in no recent silverware. I have to agree with him. We have become spoilt. We are incredibly lucky really. Incredibly lucky. Dont get me wrong I still vent my spleen every week and hate AW for his breaking up that team too early and with his other odd decisions (Arshavin – semi final) and general stubborness (and the way he cannot string a sentence together without the words Overall, Spirit, I Believe etc).
Arsenal Tom;
I forgot all about ramsey!
Thanks Arsenal Tom.
Quite a few days to go.
MG,
Silvestre played very good game IMO, I was quite surprised to see him run, tackle and anticipate well – that might have something to do with the extra responsibility of being the ‘father figure’ in this team…
Too right ManG.
You can leave yer wife, change your job, fuck – some scumbags even abandon their kids…..but Arsenal really is for life !!
finest,
I had this crazy idea that playing in cups is all about winning them – what sort of benefit we got from Spuds thrashing us 5:1?
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It is, and against Tottenham I think we should have put out a stronger team but I won’t back down with the view that this is the best chance we have of seeing if we have players ready for the first team or not, to me the title is more important.
As Wenger has mentioned, we can still beat Cite.
“For me a full side means a team who has a chance to win any game.”
We also have to show the youth confidence in their ability, therefore we need to balance things out. To me the league is far more important than the Carling Cup, so if it means we can win the game and at the same time develop our players as well as gain more players for the first team by doing this, we should.
Don’t get me wrong, I would lo9ve to win the Carling cup, but at the same time not at the expense of the league in which we have a genuine chance.
I have an interesting stat which may be of interest relating to World Cup football.
Brazil – Won: 13, Drawn: 1, Lost: 1, Goals for: 32, Goals against:8
Argentina – Won: 9, Drawn: 3, Lost: 3, Goals for:24, Goals against: 9
Spain – Won: 9, Drawn:4, Lost: 2, Goals for: 33, Goals against: 16
Germany – Won: 9, Drawn: 5, Lost: 1, Goals for: 35, Goals against: 13
Italy – Won: 8, Drawn: 5, Lost: 2, Goals for: 22, Goals against: 12
The five most recent WC champions have averaged a total of 8.4 goals in their group phase matches.
(Excluding Italy in 2006).
We have exceeded the average of goals scored by World Cup winning teams over the entire season. That is a very significant stat. To me this is a very strong indication of our potential to win the Premier League
and we must do everything to protect the team. Not only that, but Chelsea lose four key players during the ANC and by John Terry’s own admission, it is already on their minds because they believe they have to build a cushion big enough to survive that period.
Am not buying it Suga. But if you want to make the fixture argument check who they play after the CC game three days later.
i think the whole expectation also comes from the club… for the past 3-4 years wenger has openly said our 2 top targets are the league and CL, not winning those means the club hasnt done what they set out to do, they also havent compensated for that by winning the FA cup or league cup.
LAzer;
Dont be a tease! Who is it???
forgot ramsey? you should be ashamed
chavs at home for city!!
The Ngog diving thing has launched the cheating topic back into the news but I think it is largely because Ngog is, how shall i put it, not an Englishman? Bent dived to win a penalty over the weekend but not too many column inches have been written about that. John Cross has written a holier-than-thou piece suggesting that the cheats must be kicked out and says it’s what we all want. He of course gets Eduardo’s name in there. But is it really what Cross and his ilk want? Do they really want to see Rooney, Gerrard, Terry and Cole kicked out for cheating? Of course he doesn’t. Every week, in every match someone cheats. Some dive, others foul needlessly in the penalty area and get away with it etc. etc. Sure, Ngog’s was a scandalous piece of cheating but who can forget Rooney’s antics against us on several occasions? I have no answers, but I doubt that kicking the cheats out will be acceptable to Fabio Capello as he has too many of them in his squad.
Defintely would love to see jakc…
yep no problem, petition on its way!
In fact if you want to make the fixture argument it really is the reverse of what you say. That is a pretty tough stretch for them, much tougher then normal really.
Liverfool, Hull (ok that one should be easy), Us in CC and then Chavs.
Sparky will mix it up, he won’t play the full first team, it would be stupid on his part too in between their recent problems in the league and needing to rest players.
The Carling Cup is not an important trophy to win. We have bigger fish to fry. Let AW continue to blood in the youngsters and it will soon pay dividends for the first team.
It’s D-day for ole 65% proof nose today, let’s hope the FA hand out a substantial touchline ban for his persistent referee baiting.
Many pundits wrote us of in favour of Man City. Are Arsenal perceived as a soft target? It now seems that Liverpool may be in more trouble of being knocked out of the top 4 than us.
Aloha Grovers, I would have a nice mix, just like we did against L’pool. I dont believe shitty will put out their strongest team anyway. So a mix of youth and experience should see us through this game.
…and I wore my lacey pinks just for you today MG.
but ok stopped the tease.
LAzer,
take into the account the moneybag owner who wants to win the lot…
league is nowhere near realistic for them and as far as I am concerned, Sparky can put the Chav game in ‘lost’ side of the balance sheet…
Edmond,
after the ‘all hail Lord Wenger’ comment, I don’t think there is any point in trying to convince you that AW makes mistakes, is there?
Fergie has been getting away with it for years. Intimidating the referees and the like. This season he’s really feeling the heat and thats why hes even more chirpy.
and oh, If we were to win PL & CC, would you sniff at the other half of the Double?
Why is why UEFA need to make their rules and prosecution procedures more transaparent Lou because it seems like they pick and choose cases to punish. Not only that, they hypocritically use video evidence which they are opposed to to pass judgement on the matter. I wonder if they are really equipped to deal with the weekly trials that would need to take place in order to universally apply this law, which comes from a failure to use available technology to ensure correct decisions are made during the match.
Suga3. Contrary to popular belief, I do think AW makes mistakes. The “all hail…” was for the AKBs out there. I would not want them to feel left out in any way.
Suga3
I forgot to mention that when Wenger makes mistakes, he does so intentionally. He wants to test our faith.
Now that I have seen it, Shitty’s website is very representative of the club. It’s simply shitty.
What did they pay Togo’s T’s third cousins’ bastard nephew to make it or something.
ED
I don’t mind bleeding youths in the CC, but last season we did not have any realistic chance of winning anything but the domestic cups and it has been fucked up big time…
All hail Lord Wenger. PTL \o/.
ED,
that ‘test our faith’ thing is a joke, isn’t it?
Lou;
Its no surprise to me that the dives and cheating by English players are completely overlooked and air brushed out of history, while any infringement by foreign players are blown out of all proportion.
It is the superiority complex that still pervades in this little inconsequential country! The little Englander mentality that sniffs at anything foriegn, that laughs at french people eating snails and germans being the 1st to grab the sunloungers!
Basically the British are hard but fair, honest as the day is long and never cheat… its all the dirty foreigners fault and i believe that we have been victimised by the media because we dont have the likes of Rooney, Gerrard and Terry in our team…
finestcuts. I agree. I think the answer must lie in better refereeing and possibly some level of video evidence. John Terry is a total cheat, but when it comes to deceiving the referee he is a master. It was only from one camera angle that I could clearly see the hefty tug on Valencia’s shirt on Sunday so what chance did the ref have? His disguised attempts to break Cesc’s leg before Eboue mullered him the season before last had a certain poetic ring of justice to it too. The Chelsea v Man U game at the weekend showed that when games and titles are close it could soon be an arch piece of cheating, missed by the ref, that wins it for you.
MG. Never a truer word.
I hate those bleedin youths! Always hangin round the shops, askin for booze…
Suga 3
Why Wenger did not play Arshavin from the start against Chelsea in the FA Cup semis, I will never know. I dont think he was injured because he came on very late. Anyway, last season we could have won the FA Cup.
Suga 3
I see that your faith in Arsene has been shaken.
Edmond – Everyone forgets that Liverpool has been knocked out of the top 4 in recent years, winning the CL glossed over that though.
ED,
let’s say, I would disagree with some of his decisions and reasoning behind them…
MG – you are really gonna set Nick on another one now
insidealbania – The CL is the holy grail for us. We can win it. In cup competitions, you need a bit of luck, thats what Liverpool had. Winning the league, on the other hand, is a different story. I rate winning the league to be more difficult than winning the CL.
AAA
If we get enough we can charter a jet
Inside; Yeah, Haha!
Suga3;
I think we have all questioned some decisoions by Wenger mate. Even the most ardent Wengerite.
But I would never question that he has the best interests of the club at heart, otherwise that would be really effin weird, wouldnt it? I mean, whats he been doin there all this time if he didnt give a shit!
Just watchin the bolron game from 2 seasons ago. Flamini is shit! Soooo glad we got rid! And Senderos playing well!
That was a great game, my fave from that season I think…
Suga 3
The pressure on Wenger in recent years has been intense. His problem is that he believes too much in the squad of players that we have currently. Maybe some of them don’t justify such confidence placed in him.
* not “him” its “them” (last word)
disbelieving in AW would amount to sacrilege. I must perform 10 “hail Wengers” immediately in order to atone for my indiscretion.
Edmond;
The League is the hardest to win, by some distance too mate…
It would be amazing for Arsenal to win the CL though, as its never been done before, of course. We have a good chance in everything this season…
Interesting 39 seconds read:
http://www.arsenalnewsreview.co.uk/index.php?mact=News,cntnt01,detail,0&cntnt01articleid=1438&cntnt01origid=30&cntnt01returnid=42
what is annoying, the faith in some players doesn’t seem to be wholly justified…
if you cotton wool youngsters and install such OTT self belief, you get the results like we did last season – pampered, spoilt kids who think it’s enough to show up…
I think we may need someone who is able to give underperforming ones good bollocking (Keown)…
seems to work well in Bouldy’s case…
Just reading throught he posts. What a great Idea to have an alternative parade through the streets of manchester next time we win the league. we’d prabably need to arm ourselves against those heroin riddled scumbags though.
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11670_5690722,00.html?
Suga3;
That isnt fact, that is your opinion mate. Theres a difference.
There were many shocking performances last season, by EVERY player, not just these molly coddled kids you refer to.
Why that was? I dont know, we may never…
But it seems to have been eradicated so far this term.
goonermichael;
Hahaha! Yeah, me and George were discussin it the other night. Seemed like a good idea to us! You fancy it then? We can all stay in my extra large guest cardboard box!
That would be cool Goonermichael, but to really wind up the manscum you’dideally you’d want a parade through the mank supporters strongholds…..i.e. Ewell, Cheam, Edgeware, Brighton, Truro, Ipswich, outer Mongolia, Kowloon and Sarawak etc…
MG. If Arsenal win the CL, it will go down as one of the greatest days in our long and proud history. It will be nice to face Real Madrid at the Bernabeu in the final and put them to the sword. The only thing on that level waould be to face the Mancs and defeat them in the final.
Morning all whats the topic???
O.K Afternoon all
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/Arsenal/Arsenal-Sign-Leo-Messi-In-Part-Exchange-Deal-For-Emmanuel-Eboue-And-Abou-Diaby
Chipo
The secure unit you stay in, let you go on the computer today i see Nick!
ManGOonian, your 10.30 team is undoubtedly our strongest XI
Well played sir!
Nick;
Well, we were discussing the Carling Cup team to play the new northern chavs… Now we is chattin bout havin a parade in an open top bus through Old Trafford when we win the league!
yes took all me fags in return though…
Chipo;
Yeah, thats what I thought too mate. Cheers!
Good times nothing like a riot to celebrate a title
there would be blood count me in 
What a complete and utter scumbag that twat Dioff is…
Yeah, Traore said he’s in, he’s bringin his knuckle dusters too!
horrible fucker aint he just seems to be there, whats he ever done on the pitch??? that was good obviously his done loads of diabolical things
What song would you like to hear when we lift the league title in May? Any other interesting suggestions other than Queen’s “We are the Champions”
Anything by Boyz2Men
Oh! Wait a moment. I have one. This is gonna be ideal.
This is how it goes, “There’s only One Arsene Wenger, One Arsene Wenger…” to the tune of Guantanamera. Sounds familiar? Now only if I can get some famous crooner to record it.
how about ace of spades “win some, lose some to me there all the same”….as finishing 4th but playing well
chipo those fake links aren’t so good since you see them without clicking.
Nick
I did a circuit class this morning I’m fucked
Good times MG, thats coz there was a few tidy bids in there and you got all alhpa male and pushed yourself…am i right
*birds
LOL nick… or fat boy slim “youve come a long way baby” when we finish 2nd
if you have the kids who are that complacent, how complacent are the ‘stars’?
it’s contagious and spreads throughout the squad…
Atom
I am steroided up mate!
How about The Who;s; The Kids are Alright?
BNSB 39 secs !!
Very funny
Ok guys. Its been nice chatting. Parting is such sweet sorrow. But I have an afternoon shag to attend to. Your bird asks you where’s her vibrator. You say in the wise words of Wenger: “I did’nt see it.”
or nirvana teen spirit “here we are now entertain us”
edmond you been hanging around with tomstoned?
Atom you know thats the first thing that came to mind for me as well
Im back guys. I beat my personal best ie. 1 min 30 sec. Ok seriously Im going now. My bird is wetter than a beach umbrella in a monsoon.
Ha, ha, Edmond, look behind you!
Mango roid rage…explains a lot about you now mate,the bicep is bigger then the brain
great minds nick mate… i had to read it a few time to make sure it wasn’t just my eyes playing up!!
Nick. I’m going with my wife but there was one cute chinese girl
Nick;
Did you spill my bird? You been staring at my pint???
GM
theres always one
thank god.
Mango
Afternoon all. I’v been reading a lot abt Yaya Toure being unhappy at Barca and now his agent is making noises that Yaya will move to a bigger club than City.
As usual Arsenal are rumoured to be after him, i’m surprised to see ManU linked with him and tbh they dnt need him with Fletcher and Hargreaves on their books.
Wenger is a fan of Yaya, that much is obvious as we’v always been after him. However the big question is will Wenger now go after him again, when Song has made the DM position his own and the fact that we have Eastmond’s Coq on the verge of becoming his deputy. Denilson will deputise for Song while he is away for ACN. However Yaya is a world class DM imo and i dnt think he will cost more than £15m, because Barca prefer Keita to him and they have Busquests(sp?) who is a DM and a youth product so really Yaya is now surplus to requirements imo. He’s a huge beast and won’t take any prisoners! Any view grovers?
It would be good to get another kid outta Barca, but can it be Bojan instead, please? (AW has already mentioned this, which is just a fabulous wind-up!)
I don’t think Cesc is eyeing the door – he’ll stay as long as AW stays. Cesc evidently feels a tremendous debt to Wenger viz. his reaction on scoring first goal in Milan.
Re: CL song, The Wonder of You??? (I would say Too Much for the Human Heart, by Herman Hitson, but although the title is great, the lyrics are quite sad.)
Don’t need Yaya because the’ve got that fantastic player called Fletcher how lucky they are KM.
RE. Carling cup game v City. I think Hughes will play his 1st team because he needs silverware desperately to keep his job. Off topic….have u guys heard that Robinho is off to Barca in the January window? if that happens, its gonna hurt their top4 chances bigtime.
GM…..not sure if ur being funny/serious
But i can definately say that Yaya won’t leave Barca to fight it out with Hargreaves & Fletcher for the DM spot…he might as well stay at Barca ……
KM…you sure about that comparison of Yaya to Fletcher and Hargreaves.
Yaya’s in a completely different class to those two. Him being frozen out at Barca is the oddest thing ever. Wot next sidelining Messi….??
I think there must be issues around salary at play here, and perhaps Pep is trying to show Yaya who’s boss.
Fight it out with Hargreaves and Fletcher KM?! Yaya would walk straight into Utd’s team and play every game, and make a big difference for them! I’d love him to come to us, but it’d very very unlikely imo, firstly because us shipping off his brother won’t have done our chances any good, and secondly because I don’t see us spending that sort of money on a position that really isn’t a problem.
I was joking KM personally I don’t rate fletcher and I wouldn’t have him any where near our team. Hargreaves is getting better with every week that he’s out. I read recently that he’s the mancs most improved player.
i would say YES to yaya at arsenal.
we can play him and song in the big games. he’s got technique and can play in an advanced position imo while song satays in front of the defendres.
or we can play him in front of the defence with nasri and cesc beside him.
what a world class midfield we can have with little touré outhere
SharkeySure…i’m not saying that Yaya is worse than Fletcher/Hargreaves etc. What i’m saying is that ManU dnt really need another DM because Anderson/Carrick also play in the DM role sometime. A…..I rate Hargreaves and i think he is world class…..he was DM for Bayern when they were a force in Europe.
Although i would love Yaya to be at Arsenal, imo the improvement of Song and the kids knocking on the 1st team squad gate (Eastmond….Coq) might make Wenger think twice abt buying Yaya now.
KM – I’m saying Yaya is miles better than those two, and beyond that A has already said what I feel.
I’d have Yaya at Arsenal in a heartbeat even though I’m Song’s biggest fan !!
I’m not too sure how it would pan out, but players that good just aren’t available too often.
Only downside is the ANC.
The advantage of buying Yaya would be that Song could be played in CB position if need be and we would have a genuine world class player in the DM position…..someone with experience of winning the top honours….he’s been there and done everything and he’s only 26!
there are reports that neuer could be sold,i think he would be ideal for us.
imo yaya wont come here,not because we sold his brother but because here he has to compete with ever improving song
Lets agree to disagaree then KM..its Yaya all the way for me.
Look at his perfs in last seasons CL (even out of position at CB vs DogBra)
Just read this on BBC’s 606 debate….
Apparently Liverpool fans are hoping that Rafa puts a cheeky bid for Thierry henry in jan…. hahaha…. Looserpool’s optimism is hilarious!!!!!!
KM would you have Hargreaves or Fletcher for us??
SS…..i respect your opinion as always…but i remember Hargreaves keeping Zidane in his pocket in a match a long time ago……and after the match Zidane praised him….google it if u want.
Km – not either or…I mean either one.
I wouldn’t have either of them. Both fairly Ok at what they do…but both quite limited imo
i would take both over song anyday even christmas day
Yeah KM, Hargreaves WAS awesome, but there’s no saying that he’ll ever reach those levels again, and even if he does he isn’t going to be playing every game. Carrick, Fletcher, and Anderson aren’t DMs, though Utd don’t really play with DMs.
i would have Hargreaves mate……he’s intelligent…has amazing stamina and takes gr8 free kicks – better than RvP
i remember he used to take free kicks for Bayern and scored a peach against us 2seasons back. he’s also versatile….can play DM/RM/RB.
A what is fletchers actual position
KM good point..but our DM needs to keep our offensive momnetun going as well,and thas where Sing is excelling at the moment.
He gets the ball into our forward players so quickly, with his good range of passing.
Fletch and Harg may defend as well as Song (or better??) but our DM sees so much of the ball that I think we need a fair bit more than just defensive qualities.
Sharkey if Hargreaves ever gets back to his best and gets over his injury problems then I’d take him straight away, however those are both MASSIVE ifs!!
Fletcher would be attrocious for us though, he couldn’t play Song’s role, and imagine how much he’d destroy our nice football in the Diaby role. The amount of stick Diaby gets, Fletcher would be twice as bad as him!
how many goals has fletcher scored for utd..especially against us his got more to his game then just defending i honestly believe him missing the barca game was why utd lost…but i like hard players
nick- flecher is there to push the opposition around. foul other players, run everywhere on the pitch and close-down every position.
Hargreaves is fucked. World class is a bit strong even when he was in his prime. He played a couple of decent games for England. Agree about the free kick. broke my heart sob
Really A..??
I’m surprised…is his passing (excl. crabbing) and ball retention up to scratch then….??
Fletchers not really hard just dirty. He’s trying to be the new Keane for the mancs.
Nick he’s an old school centre mid, tenacious and box to box, but not amazing either defensive or offensively. He couldn’t play a primarily attacking, nor defensive role, he’d be worst defensively than Song is, runs around like a headless chicken, but worst going forward than all our attacking mids
Yeah Sharkey imo it is, at his best he’s absolutely top class, but his best was a fair while ago, and I doubt he’ll ever reach it again
Gooby sounds like the type of player we are missing then…we have enough flair players to cover the loss of the great pass master that is song
You’re spot on there A
Fergie really knows which games to pick Fletcher for…he knows his limitations.
A….how old is Hargreaves? Eduardo and Rosicky have had major injuries and they’r slowly coming back to their levels. I know Hargreaves is a ManU player but sometimes we need to step back and admit the talent of other players. Nick…..I think Song is gr8 too. Hargreaves has gr8 technique as well…. watch his penalties on youtube.
he’s scored 2 this season nick. He scored 2 against us in the fa cup when we were absolute fucking filth
nick-we don’t need flecher, i’ve never said this, not in our curent systeme i mean.
song is a great passer, he has got vision, and gr8 first touch. he can also dribble when pressed by the opposition.
i’ll take song over flecher anyday
fletcher sounds like flamini with a bit more bite so i will take him over song in fact anybody for that matter with in reason
GM whats your take on song?
KM I said he’s awesome, but his game is one that was built on tenacity and athleticism, which will make it harder for him to get to his previous level, IF he gets over his injuries.
Fletcher in our system would have to play instead of Diaby, or Nasri, not something that would make any sense at all. He couldn’t do Song’s job
I think he’s getting better all the time Nick. I wouldn’t call him world class and he probably never will be. I think he fits the team.
English weather here right now, 16C and raining…
I read a City blog a few days ago they all think CC is their only hope and will be playing their best team, I think out of the 1st teamers Vermi RvP and Al should play. I somehow think the kids will play well against them since the pressure will be on them and we’ll be playing our natural football.
vela’s agreed a new contract apparently
Nick, I’d take playing with 10 men over Song. I was with a Manc today and he thinks he adds nothing to our team but slowness. He can’t understand why people on this blog rate him.
Gm i think the team have adapted to carry him BUT he has done better this year.
I think his lack of pace and thought is what will make him not good enough for the pl in the end but as you say his doing a job.for now
Mayank I very much doubt any of them will play, certainly Almunia won’t!
I reckon we could see see the front six being denilson, ramsey, merida, wilshere, vela, theo. Fabianski in goal, senderos, silvestre, and traore, and then maybe Eboue right back?
my brother and cousins are ManU fans…..(puke) and we argue like hell over our teams and according to most ManU fans last year Fletcher was their most improved player…a bit like Song. Fletcher was initially meant to be a CM…box to box attacker but he didnt match up so therefore he’s had to change to a hustler and since Hargreaves’ injury has had to become the DM. Ferguson loves his never say die attitude…..hmmm
Agree with you A.
since fletcher is a pitty in the offensive department comparing him to nasri, rosicky or diaby he won’t do the job.
ANd by the way, the fench medical staff declared diaby fit to play ireland, although he is still on a personal training session.
AW and domenech are far from becoming friends. so diaby stays with the french squad
Geoff i would agree with that, he is the best we have not the best we can get
Geoff. He’s not that bad.
Geoff other clubs fans’ opinions vary massively on all our players. I had a manc saying he was absolutely shocked at how good song is and thinks he’s world class now, would take him in a second. Also got another who reckons Denilson is amazing and would swap him with anderson.
Opposition fans opinions are largely based on much more limited knowledge than fans of the club though, so always have to be taken with a pinch of salt
Geoff who would you go for out of song and the scotts git fletcher??
A
Mannone’s a bit of a worry, your teams good but I’d like Coquelin or Eastmond in there somewhere. Teams still think that physical play puts us off and i’m sure that’s what City will go for, I’m not sure how the kids will take it.
fletcher would play the diaby role in our side.. song would have to babysit him anyway
Nick…..flamini was better imo…he wasnt as dirty as Fletcher, who seems to get away with anti-football tactics.
i think we miss the dirty player like fletcher,i know rvp cesc and nasri have a go but even the greats we have had needs the dirty side to the game to demand the right to play our game only shit teams with crap managers bend over and take it
Weve gotta sign Yaya havent we? Dont care if its £8m or £20m, him and a GK and we are unbeatable!
I agree that fans differ on players all the time. Imo Anderson is shite…his development has stalled since his move from Brasil…he’s now become a Fletcher clone…chase/close down/hassle….all that crap. Denilson on the other i can sense he will become world class in 1/2 years time. he has immense talent.
gambon not sure about yaya.. he’d be jetting off to the ACN every now and then!
dont really want yaya now another african for one thing and he kept knocking us back so let him go and play for someone else imo
rather have flamini back than fletcher
Nick…i agree we need a dirty player, someone who does the ugly stuff – i.e Flamini
but if the whole side gets stuck in with defensive duties/getting the ball off the other team, then i think we’r ok.
Gambon
i think now that its obvious that Yaya wants to go, it’l be interesting to see what Wenger does.
I think we need to put in a cheeky bid for cana.. what a player!
father of flamini and fletcher!
choy i despise flemony but think if it was put to me know i would have him back.
Keep song as back for cb/dm up till the kids step up.
Milan need a few quid we could maybe loan him for the rest of the season or buy him for a few mill that sounds stupid as we lost him over a few mill
and to think that money went to silvestre instead
Anyone read abt Nani slating Fergie? he’s another one who’s development has stalled since his move frm Portugal. He was touted as a major talent in Portugal but he’s been hit and miss since his move to ManU. I think he’s going to get moved on.
Choy/others
I haven’t actually seen Cana in a 90minutes match for sunderland yet. But is he as good as Flamini/Song/Yaya?
is silvestres contract up this summer??
i have a feeling upson will becoming back, swpped for senderos
to be fair when i heard we had signed him on a free I thought well it makes sense…experienced player for the kids to learn from…and was right…..remember in x game fishface done that…make sure you do it right like this
incesc senderos can talk to other clubs in jan and leaves in the summer for free so doubt we could tell where to go mate, another player we spent good money on to get fuck all back shrewed basterds we are
Do u guys agree with this? :
1. United are now the EPL’s third best team.
2. The current squad isn’t going to get much better: Berbatov won’t improve, Nani isn’t going to become a footballer (as in someone who plays a team sport), Fletcher won’t learn to pass, Anderson won’t learn to shoot, Valencia isn’t going to become less one-dimensional, etc.
3. Sorting out this slide into mediocrity isn’t a job for Ferguson.
4. United therefore need to be very careful this slump doesn’t send them Liverpool’s way.
Nick…i think Upson might be too old for Wenger’s liking…
upson will not play for us, he is still good but does like an injury.
playing for us his bound to get a few he will go totenham
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11670_5690722,00.html
Nick
i think for now the backups are Senderos and DJ when back from injury. Song might slot in as CB when Gallas retires. I dnt rate Sendy/DJ…i think they are 4th choice CB’s.
http://youngguns.wordpress.com/2009/11/12/carlos-vela-agrees-terms-on-new-arsenal-contract/
Former Arsenal midfielder Stuart Robson claims Arsene Wenger has finally rediscovered the magic formula that proved so invincible during the Bergkamp and Henry era of the club.
Arsenal have been in majestic form this season, losing only twice on their way to scoring a record 36 league goals at this stage of the season.
Signs are suggesting Wenger may finally have formed a team capable of ending The Gunners’ five-year wait for silverware, and with Chelsea on the horizon Robson warned The Blues to be prepared for a much more direct Arsenal side.
“In the last few seasons the fans have always talked about Arsenal’s intricate passing, and yes, they can pass the ball intricately and they are clever with their movement,” he explained on Sky Sports News.
“But Arsenal are now playing far more direct than they have for several seasons. I think that’s the change in philosophy Arsene Wenger has had this year.
“He’s maybe looked back to when Dennis Bergkamp was playing and when Thierry Henry was playing, Robert Pires and Freddie Ljungberg, and asked why did they create so many chances with their forward movement?
“That’s what he has tried to replicate this season.”
Great skill
Robson is keen to point out he does not mean ‘direct’ in the sense that Arsenal occasionally fell into whilst Emmanuel Adebayor played up front, he means ‘penetrative’ and ‘clinical’ for the want of two better words.
“You’ll very rarely see an Arsenal goal nowadays where they play a backward pass. They penetrate very quickly and they play a direct style of play.
“There are two types of direct football. There’s the direct style that Stoke will play with the centre forward flicking balls on, which gives the ball away cheaply but you’re applying pressure.
“There’s possession football where you pass the ball around and penetrate occasionally, but Arsene Wenger has the balance right now by getting his team to pass the ball forward in a direct manner, but with great skill.”
GTS…..gr8 article.
Gunners i will go along with that good point made there
KM.. the fans love him…
Take a look at where sunderland are in the table.. him and cattermole have formed a formidable partnership.. luckily for us his partner is out for a while.
He is a tough tackler and heading ability is decent.
buy who the fuck is staurt robson and when did he play for us
*but
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11670_5690846,00.html
Yaya on his future.
Inter are also after him. I hope he doesnt go to Italy. We also tend to lose out to Italian teams
Vela hasn’t jetted off has he?
Whisky nose has a 20,000 grand fine and a two game touch line ban. Also 2 further games suspended.
I dont care if we do, fuck him let him go to a shit team in a poor league
Fergie given 4 match ban
two suspended right??
Choy
not sure that he can do a better job than Song. However he’d be a gr8 addition. Not sure if Sunderland would sell him in January or on the cheap in the summer.
yeah, 2 suspended.
check out this comment frm a blogger on the guardian:
Arsenal will be there or thereabouts come the seasons end. When all are fit, the variety of their attacking options are perhaps the best in Europe (yes, in terms of depth of quality, even more so than Barcelona and Real Madrid) Incidentally if they had one of Fletcher or Hargreaves in their team (not to replace Song but rather complement him), (and perhaps a backup centre back that wasnt Silvestre) I believe their squad would be complete. United by contrast could do with any of the plethora of attacking midfielders Wenger has at his disposal. Chelsea, despite a slight tactical inbalance regarding the postioning of Essien/ Ballack in their first choice midfield have the leagues most formidable squad with a number of big game players able to raise their performance when the situation arises. Ultimately it looks like it will be a three horse race and enjoyable to the seasons end. The romantic in me would like Arsenal to win it, logic suggests Chelsea but if Ferguson’s uses his squad with a greater deal of tactical consideration to mask the absence of a certain creative spark, I wouldnt rule United out of collecting their 4th successive title.
cudicini has been taken to hospital after a ‘serious’ motorcycle accident.
Yeah, 2 suspended.
But the fine is really pathetic, it would hurt him more if they gave him a chewing gum ban instead of the fine.
£37m on Nani and Anderson was mad. Anderson cost more than we’ve ever paid for a player. (I know we’re tight so no silly comments)
Cana is good for Sunderland but I wouldn’t want him near the club, doesn’t have the ability on the ball, and is another who’s a headless chicken. He’d never play ahead of Song, and I don’t see a situation where we’d play two DMs, one sitting, and another, Cana being high tempo tenacious running around kicking people.
rednose was supposed to be on a warning as well. The Fa are pussies. Manc loving cunts
The Duke of Le Grove is back, what’s on the agenda this afternoon? Also thanks to the replies on the Hornby and been spoilt debate, all answers have been read and noted
GM
agree – totally mad. rumour has it that ManU sold Ronaldo to help pay their debts and therefore they will not be buying big/star players this January window. if that is true, then imo ManU are defo heading for 3rd this year and will get raped in the Champions League.
nice read
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/2009/nov/10/manchester-united-sir-alex-ferguson-chelsea?showallcomments=true#comment-51
GM, £37m on those 2 players who are yet to prove their worth (I’d pick Wilshere & Vela over them any day) and £31.75m on Berbatov who is way past his golden days (at Spuds). These few flop signings were the main reason Fergie was not allowed to spend a penny from the £80m ManU got from selling Cronaldo.
Fuckin pathetically typically weak FA!
Fining the scotch cunt a few quid instead of banningn him! Why am I even surprised?
Wenger gets a £20k fine for lookin at a ref funny and this cunt is allowed to abuse em at will…
apparently cudicini is in a “life changing situation” after his motorbike crash. They had the air ambulance out but didn’t use it. It was in walthamstow.
paul changing or threatening??
changing – ssn
Nick – according to the london evening telegraph website it’s a suspected broken pelvis, so shouldn’t be life threatening. Poor bloke though
I’m suprised they let him use a motorbike. I remember wright not being allowed to ride his harley.
fuck sounds like something wont work or will have to come off dont it
know his a spud but wouldn’t wish that on anyone poor cunt,great keeper till the chavs signed check out of the blue
GTS
i dnt think Berbatov is over the hill. i just think him and Rooney are too similar, hence why they haven’t been able to click and form a proper partnership.
me mate just said the same, richards at shitty has it in his contract he cant ride his bike
‘arry will be after david james in jan now.
its pretty normal they cant ride motorbikes and anything particularly dangerous. poor bugger, pelvis is a horrible one
Oh! Hes had a 2 game ban too
GTS
Gunners The Stunners Says:
November 12, 2009 at 14:23
GM, £37m on those 2 players who are yet to prove their worth (I’d pick Wilshere & Vela over them any day) and £31.75m on Berbatov who is way past his golden days (at Spuds). These few flop signings were the main reason Fergie was not allowed to spend a penny from the £80m ManU got from selling Cronaldo.
Do u think the main reason why Fergie hasn’t bought new players could also be the crazy amount of debt they have?
One of my clents who’s been a spud all his life said something interesting about players like keane and berbatov.When they play for the spuds the opposition think they can beat them and go at them giving them more space. When they play for pool or the mancs the other teams play more defensively and they don’t look so good. Apparently it makes them fortunes selling people like carrick for £20m
Shit, Life changin? does that mean he might be in a wheel chair???
ssn – fractured wrists and injured his pelvis. Should be okay then.
Suprised he’s allowed to ride a bike.
the police statement said life changing but now they’re saying it’s not as bad.
KM, Berba and Rooney are totally different in my opinion, but I guess everyone is entailed to theirs.
My argument would be that Rooney is a hard worker, who finds the net, Berba is lazy and stylish, more of an assister…
My manc colleague thinks count dracula is like cantona. I think he’s a lazy cunt
GM
interesting point. I also think that like Rooney, Berbatov likes to roam around the pitch, in the attacking 3rd…..getting involved in the build-up etc I think what ManU are lacking is a Torres/Anelka to race past defenders/stay around the box/finish off the chances. Berbatov is more like RvP of the past.
Duke
agree that rooney is more hard working/explosive and committed. However imo Berbatov is a very classy player. he should have stayed at Spurs, where it was a delight to watch him play.
GM I think his absolute pony, sulky over rated twat to be exact
interesting read….
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2009/nov/08/arsene-wenger-paul-hayward?showallcomments=true#start-of-comments
Gm good point re changing teams….
Look at Andy Cole…50 goals for the BarCodes followed by a very steep learning curve at Man U.
back l8r
KM, when ManU bought Nani & Anderson they were already in huge debt but they were winning & their owners put their faith in Fergie for new signings. Same thing happened when he signed Berbatov cos they won the Champions League. But this summer the situation was different when Cronaldo left for Madrid.
If it’s solely about their debt then expect Rooney’s departure in the summer as well cos the owners would want to pay off their debt and Rooney is the player they can get some really good cash for.
KM, I am sorry in advance for this comment, but it was a delight to watch spurs?
Duke i noticed that but let it go by,i know km aint a spud he loves the chavs too much
KM you say some funny things. I can’t think of anything being delightfull about the spuds.
GTS who would you see being in for rooney?
The amount ManU spent (I’d say wasted) on Berbatov, he should have been the top scorer in the league last season. They paid nearly £6m more then Liverpool paid for Torres (£26m) and he is the real deal once he is fit. Berbatov only managed to score 8 goals last season, Bendtner scored 8 goals but we didn’t pay crazy money for him…
you can’t call KM partisan can you lol
GM spuds relagation would delight me
Utd have a huge debt but they will not fade away without a fight. You can bet your bollocks Fergie wants the league wins record from his most hated rivals at Merseyside. If he achieves that I can see him fading away, whiskey on hand, into the sunset.
He’s the sort that wouldn’t give a tosh leaving the club in disarray, would only make his legend greater.
I was going to say a plane crash nick but thought better of it after cuddicini’s accident
http://irishsoccerinsider.wordpress.com/2009/11/11/french-and-irish-fall-out-over-box-incident/
Nick, probably Inter or Milan cos I don’t see him fitting in Barca or Madrid formation. Even though, Barca are rumoured to offer ManU £85m for him next summer which in my point of view is totally rubbish news.
Tell David that Stunner, he’ll rip your head off for any Bedntner comparisions to anything with more then one leg.
GM na tis a shame i think you need a bit of that to be fan
Stunner I reckon Rooney would replace Henry and be absolutely amazing on the left hand side of their system. Though if Barca have no money then that won’t be happening!
I thought Robinho was replacing henry
Just heard about Cudicini
No time for rivalry in times like this. I hope he makes a full recovery.
He looked a top top keeper at Chavski,and probably never fulfilled his early promise. I hope he can play again.
A, I read Cronaldo’s interview somewhere the other day where he said that he suggested Rooney to join him at Madrid next summer. I don’t see that happening if Madrid don’t win anything this season.
SUGA…that is fucking brilliant !!!
‘put the boxes discreetly inside’ – Lol
http://irishsoccerinsider.wordpress.com/2009/11/11/french-and-irish-fall-out-over-box-incident/
This is absolutely BRILLIANT!
Wow that travels fast, cant believe the link is already on here!
chipo its good but suga already posted it mate
KM;
So, you like the chavs, spuds and Arsenal…Hmmmm…. What about the Hammers fella?
A;
Rooney on the left for Barca? What have I told you about smokin crystal meth in the day time?
Seriously though. he aint got in him to ply his trade abroad. The only way that would happen is if Coleen fancied herself as Posh Spice mkII…
Rooney in Spain…never. They don’t live in caves in Madrid or Barca, might have to put him up at the zoo.
It’s not Friday yet, but enjoy:
Steven Gerrard and Fernando Torres have today signed a new five year deal with Tampax…
I wonder if it has anything to do with the new company slogan….
In for a week and then out for a month
Duke…no offence pal, but did you bindip that off of Pedro..??
Steven Gerrard is jumping with joy in his living room, shouting: ‘Seven days, seven days’. Alex Curran walks in and asks: ‘What are you so happy about?’
Gerrard says: ‘It took me 7 days to put the puzzle together’, Alex asks ‘What is so great about it?’ Gerrard replies: ‘It says 3 years and up on the box’
speaking of bindipping
Sharkey, you can’t say no offence and then compare my joke to Pedro’s
suga,duke
pedro can only dream
mango where you been pumping some iron….called gym
Now Sharkey challenged me to post a good joke, FINE:
I used to visit prostitutes every week, but now I am a rapist instead.
Credit crunch and all that.
Duke
Apologies for my oxymoron Duke !!!
Mango what Duke said was a joke dont introduce it to costs cutting plan
Nick, Fletcher!
Geoff i knew, was just checking
Bindipped !!!! (might even have been from here !!)
80,000 Blondes gathered at Wembley Stadium for a “Blondes-Are-Not-So-Dumb” convention. The master of ceremonies says, “We are all here today to prove to the world that blondes are not so dumb. Can I have a volunteer?”
One pretty little blonde steps up, so the master of ceremonies asks her, “What is 15 plus 15?” After 15 or 20 seconds, she replies, “18.” Obviously everyone is a little disappointed. Then 80,000 blondes start chanting, “Give her another chance, give her another chance.”
The master of ceremonies says, “Well, since we’ve gone to the trouble of getting 80,000 of you here along with media from all over the world, I guess we can give her another chance.” So, asks her, “What is 5 plus 5?” After 15 or 20 seconds, she replies, “90.”
The master of ceremonies sighs. Everyone is crestfallen and the blonde starts crying. Again, the 80,000 girls start chanting, “Give her another chance, give her another chance.” Unsure whether or not he is doing more harm than damage, the master of ceremonies finally says, “Okay! One more chance. What is 2 plus 2?” After 15 or 20 seconds, she replies, “4.”
The stadium of 80,000 blondes start chanting, “Give her another chance, give her another chance.”
Nick, hahahaha
Sharkey, yeah heard it, but classic
Duke after the pedro comment that was very civil of you
Lampard cole and drogba have all withdrawn from their internation team complaining of injury.I bet all these cunts will feature in chelsea’s next league game.
I am out, see you tomorrow…
First year of marriage: the man speaks, the woman listens.
Second year: the woman speaks, the man listens.
Third year: they both speak and the neighbors listen.
Sharkey, you must hate blondes.
Cheers Duke….
laters Duke
i would just like to say im disgusted by the sexist under tones on here today…we all know theres an agenda with the jokes on here
im not one to argue but….
if the first team can’t beat city i doubt that this carling cup team will
The Carling cup team won’t have Song, Diaby and Almunia in it and two of those chumps were responsible for their goals BBK!
Two cows are standing in a field.
One says to the other “Are you worried about Mad Cow Disease?”
The other one says “No, It doesn’t worry me, I’m a horse!”.
Pedro i dont want to see this again tomorrow
Its a shame really geoff that wenger will not put out a stronger side in that comp,a day out at wembley and possibly winning it will go a long way for this lot
First Man: I bet I can make you speak like a Red Indian?
Second Man: How?
First Man: Told you I could.
This one’s for Jaguar
Watch our Friday night shows on Arsenal TV Online this week and you could soon be the proud owner of an Arsenal ‘poppy’ shirt – as worn by Abou Diaby.
http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/win-diaby-s-signed-poppy-shirt-on-friday-
i’m back! u guys couldn’t wait to put the knife in
i’m not a spurs fan!!! i was just saying that it was a joy to watch Berbatov play. He is a classy player. I dnt care that he played for Spurs nor would i have cared if he played for Hull. ppl on here admire Essien/Torres etc and they play for our rivals. I just think u guys got the wrong end of the stick.
So….Gerrard, Theo, Lampard,Ashley & Joe Cole all out.
I hope Brazil dnt embarrass England.
KM can you go again i wanna talk about you
KM, they’re just winding you up…
The truth is Berbatov was a class player when he played for Spuds. No doubt about that. He scored some great goals for them but he is nowhere near at his best at ManU. I also don’t see him getting any better as he’s been at OT for over a year now and he didn’t produce any performance you could remember.
Yesterday, scientists in the United States revealed that beer contains small traces of female hormones.
To prove their theory, they fed one hundred men twelve pints of beer and observed that 100% of them started talking nonsense and couldn’t drive.
Nick
what can i say….i’m the talk of the grove
GTS
i dnt think we’l see his best unless Rooney gets an injury and we see Berbatov play with Owen/Macheda
old but fun last one for tonight honest :8
A man walks into a bar and orders a 12-year-old scotch. The bartender, believing that the customer will not be able to tell the difference, pours him a shot of the cheap 3-year-old house scotch that has been poured into an empty bottle of the good stuff.
The man takes a sip and spits the scotch out on the bar and reams the bartender. “This is the cheapest 3-year-old scotch you can buy. I’m not paying for it. Now, give me a good 12-year-old scotch.”
The bartender, now feeling a bit of a challenge, pours him a scotch of much better quality, 6-year-old scotch. The man takes a sip and spits it out on the bar. “This is only 6-year-old scotch. I won’t pay for this, and I insist on, a good, 12-year-old scotch.”
The bartender finally relents and serves the man his best quality, 12-year-old scotch.
An old drunk from the end of the bar, who has witnessed the entire episode, walks down to the finicky scotch drinker and sets a glass down in front of him and asks, “What do you think of this?”
The scotch expert takes a sip, and in disgust, violently spits out the liquid yelling “Why, this tastes like piss,”
The old drunk replies, “That’s right, now tell me how old I am.”
City have Chelsea three days after the Carling Cup game with us so I’m not sure that they will be overly keen to risk their first team…unless they’ve given up on the League by then and desperate for a trophy.
Have I stumbled onto a spud blog by mistake?
Cheers everyone.. How’s the world treating ya today?
Nick;
Gym said he like it, so what can I do eh?
BBK;
Still taking the happy pills I see!!!
Geoff;
Still got a humoungous blind spot where Song is concerned I see!
Choy, if you promise to present dIaby shirt to Jaguar and geta phot o fthe ‘joyful moment’ than you can stick me down for contributing £50.
And no thats not for Song, Denilson, Bendtner and Eboue’s shirts as well !!!
Hey Rohan….
Its nothing you’ve said…honest…but I’m offski…
One day Jane met Tarzan in the jungle. She was very attracted to him and, during her questions about his life, she asked him how he managed for sex. “What’s that?” he asked. She explained to him what sex was, and he said, “Oh,Tarzan use hole in trunk of tree.”
Horrified, she said, “Tarzan you have that all wrong! I will show you how to do it properly.” She took off her clothes, lay down on the ground, and spread her legs wide. “Here,” she said, pointing, “You must put it in here.”
Tarzan removed his loincloth, stepped closer and then gave her an almighty kick in the crotch. Jane rolled around in agony. Eventually she managed to gasp, “Why the hell did you do that?”
“Tarzan check for bees!”
Joe took his blind date to the carnival. “What would you like to do first, Kim?” asked Joe. “I want to get weighed,” she said. They ambled over to the weight guesser. He guessed 120 pounds. She got on the scale; it read 117 and she won a prize.
Next the couple went on the ferris wheel. When the ride was over, Joe again asked Kim what she would like to do. “I want to get weighed,” she said. Back to the weight guesser they went. Since they had been there before, he guessed her correct weight, and Joe lost his dollar.
The couple walked around the carnival and again he asked where to next. “I want to get weighed,” she responded. By this time, Joe figured she was really weird and took her home early, dropping her off with a handshake.
Her roommate, Laura, asked her about the blind date, “How’d it go?”
Kim responded, “Oh, Waura, it was wousy.”
The pretty teacher was concerned with one of her eleven-year-old students. Taking him aside after class one day,she asked, “Little Johnny, why has your school work been so poor lately?”
“I’m in love,” the boy replied.
Holding back an urge to smile, she asked, “With whom?”
“With YOU!” he said.
“But Johnny,” she said gently, “don’t you see how silly that is? It’s true that I would like a husband of my own someday. But I don’t want a child.”
“Oh, don’t worry,” the boy said reassuringly, “I’ll use a rubber!”
The 10th grade teacher asks Jessica: “What part of the human body increases to 10 times it’s normal size when excited?”
Jessica responds: “That’s disgusting! I don’t have to answer that question!”
So the teacher asks little Johnny, who responds: “That’s easy…the pupil of the eye.” “That’s correct, Johnny. Very good!”
And turning to Jessica, she says: “I’ve three things to say to you, young lady… first, you didn’t do your homework; second, you have a dirty mind; and third, you’re in for a big disappointment!”
A circus owner walked into a bar to see everyone crowded about a table watching a little show. On the table was an upside down pot and a duck tap dancing on it. The circus owner was so impressed that he offered to buy the duck from its owner. After some negotiations, they settled on a figure of $10,000 for the duck and the pot.
Three days later the circus owner runs back to the bar in anger, “Your duck is a rip off! I put him on the pot before a whole audience, and he didn’t dance a single step!”
“So?” asked the ducks former owner, “did you remember to light the candle under the pot?”
i like the rubber one
How Can A Stranger Tell If Two People Are Married?
You might have to guess, based on whether they seem to be yelling at the same kids.
- Derrick, age 8
It’s time once again to review the winners of the Annual “Stella Awards.” The Stella Awards are named after 81 year-old Stella Liebeck of New Mexico who spilled hot coffee on herself and successfully sued McDonald’s. That case inspired the Stella awards for the most frivolous, ridiculous, successful lawsuits in the United States.
Here are this year’s winners:
7th Place:
Kathleen Robertson of Austin, Texas, was awarded $80,000 by a jury of her peers after breaking her ankle tripping over a toddler who was running inside a furniture store. The owners of the store were understandably surprised at the verdict, considering the misbehaving little toddler was Ms. Robertson’s son.
6th Place:
19-year-old Carl Truman of Los Angeles won $74,000 and medical expenses when his neighbor ran over his hand with a Honda Accord. Mr. Truman apparently didn’t notice there was someone at the wheel of the car when he was trying to steal his neighbor’s hubcaps.
5th Place:
Terrence Dickson of Bristol, Pennsylvania, was leaving a house he had just finished robbing by way of the garage. He was not able to get the garage door to go up since the automatic door opener was malfunctioning. He couldn’t re-enter the house because the door connecting the house and garage locked when he pulled it shut. The family was on vacation, and Mr. Dickson found himself locked in the garage for eight days. He subsisted on a case of Pepsi he found, and a large bag of dry dog food. He sued the homeowner’s insurance claiming the situation caused him undue mental anguish. The jury agreed to the tune of $500,000.
4th Place:
Jerry Williams of Little Rock, Arkansas, was awarded $14,500 and medical expenses after being bitten on the buttocks by his next door neighbor’s beagle. The beagle was on a chain in its owner’s fenced yard. The award was less than sought because the jury felt the dog might have been just a little provoked at the time by Mr. Williams, who had climbed over the fence into the yard and was shooting it repeatedly with a pellet gun.
3rd Place:
A Philadelphia restaurant was ordered to pay Amber Carson of Lancaster, Pennsylvania, $113,500 after she slipped on a soft drink and broke her coccyx (tailbone). The beverage was on the floor because Ms. Carson had thrown it at her boyfriend 30 seconds earlier during an argument.
2nd Place:
Kara Walton of Claymont, Delaware, successfully sued the owner of a night club in a neighboring city when she fell from the bathroom window to the floor and knocked out her two front teeth. This occurred while Ms.Walton was trying to sneak through the window in the ladies room to avoid paying the $3.50 cover charge. She was awarded $12,000 and dental expenses.
1st Place:
This year’s runaway winner was Mrs. Merv Grazinski of Oklahoma City, Oklahoma. Mrs. Grazinski purchased a brand new 32-foot Winnebago motor home. On her first trip home, (from an OU football game), having driven onto the freeway, she set the cruise control at 70 mph and calmly left the drivers seat to go into the back & make herself a sandwich. Not surprisingly, the RV left the freeway, crashed and overturned. Mrs.Grazinski sued Winnebago for not advising her in the owner’s manual that she couldn’t actually do this. The jury awarded her $1,750,000 plus a new motor home. The company actually changed their manuals on the basis of this suit, just in case there were any other complete morons around.
Im sorry I forgot it isnt Friday
Am I in a timewarp?
LMAO Top three are great. Especialy 3rd place. I can imagine what that was like walking away all angery and sundenly sliping and breaking her tail bone.
No Big Raddy everyone is just bored. We have debated about shitty for long enough and there isnt much else to do.
Know the feeling Mr B. Shitty were my second team in the Bell/Summerbee era (probably long before you were born.). But now I think they are Devilspawn, hand assistants to Beelzebub and swallowers of man-juice.
Now my second team is Arsenal reserves
Gai Assulin is a Right Winger. He does have a bit of a Messi likeness about him. But Im not sure he’d fit into the team.
Manc perhaps you’re the blind one. I said many a time, if the marmites were replaced we’d be 4 points clear by now.
Me neither David. We have enough problems keeping the kids we have happy, and eventually we will lose the reputation for blooding and developing young talent, because there is no space in the first team for them apart from the CC.
I see us selling a few in summer.
Every team has marmites Geoff, if the current marmites were replaced then suddenly someone else would become a scapegoat for some, and an unsung hero for others
A, That is one of the certainties of football.
That I believe in the wonder of Bendtner and David thinks me insane, is part of the enjoyment of fandom.
I detested Perry Groves (not as a man), but others call him a ‘legend’.
Each to his own….
I do like that Ozin character though. Id be absolutely delighted if he came. The boy took England apart.
We do have to find who will take the place of Arshavin in the squad.
And no i dont think it will be Vela.
David, Arsh is 28, hardly the time to panic buy, let’s see how things go with Nasri and Vela.
A Very good read
http://goal.com/en/news/1717/editorial/2009/11/12/1620641/arsenal-special-thomas-vermaelen-stakes-claim-as-buy-of-the
Sorry i mean Ozil…Mesut Ozil.
The boy has a weird face but can he play.
I think we need to put everyone in context.
Diaby isnt looking like he will make it with us.
Ramsey is close and is already cover for Cesc.
Nasri is not a DM. He can play on either wing.
Mozart Sadly is gone. Or will stay on a 1year contract.
Theo is hardly fit…but will play on the right.
Bendy should be nowhere close to the team.
So that leaves room for Carlos and Boy Wonder
Not sure if Fran will sign a new contract.
I think there is still space for 1 or 2 players.
wilshere will take arshavin’s place in the squad, merida rosicky’s, sorted!
oh yeah, vela arshavin actually, merida rosicky, wilshere is just his own man
Too young. Too inexperienced. Injuries.
We’ve seen it all before.
huh David?! Neither will be going for a couple of years, by then they’ll be experienced enough to take over, and already competing for their places/keeping them out of the team!
Sorry A,
I like Vela alot but id rather he play centrally than outwide.
We all know Arsene wouldnt sign you if you are above 30.
Except your are Shitvestre.
Arshavin 2 years maybe 3 if we are lucky. Mozart 1 year or on a free.
Id rather a player like Fran and Rambo compete for the same spot than to play them together.
I wouldn’t David, not in the current system – you think we need someone bigger and more of a target man than VP, but would want Vela there?!
This system is built to suit vela amongst others, he’d neither a central forward, nor a wide man in a 4 man midfield, wide in a front three is perfect for him
Umm David he has a contract, even if he doesn’t accept the extension we have him for a bit. As for Vela I think he has the saem qualities as Arsh and could thrive as a LS.
Agreed to an extent A
Vela is talented in the 4-4-2 as well.
Even makes Bendtner look good.
Last time he played with Eduardo he got a goal and bagged in a few assists is what im saying.
We are yet to see Vela in the new system yea?
Rosicky at least one year David! There’s no way he’ll go on a free.
Merida and Ramsey are different types of players imo, and different footed, I would want them playing together, not going for the same positions. Ramsey and Merida with Vela and Wilshere out wide will probably end up being back up/replacements for Cesc and Nasri, with Arshavin and Rosicky out wide.
Quite the opposite.
They do have some similarities except for the fact that Arshavin is 2-footed and he scores from pretty much anywhere on the pitch.
Yeah to an extent David, apart from pre season, and a brief cameo in the League Cup, though it’s the system he excelled in at Osasuna, and does for Mexico
Arsenal team in 3-4 years no new signings.
Fab
Sagna-Verm-Ayling/Bartley-Gibbs
Ramsey-Coqelin-Nasri
Theo-Nik-Vela
I’m assuming Fab has left and RvP makes sub appearances because of arthritis.
Mexico play a 4-3-3?
Wow.
Im pretty sure it was a 4-4-2 with that dos santos boy supporting and Blanco in the hole.
Yeah Arshavin’s 2 footedness is amazing, though there isn’t another player in the world who is that two footed so we won’t find a perfect replacement for him! I really think Vela will be competing with Arshavin by the end of the season. Arshavin is capable of doing things that Vela can’t, but Vela I think will be more involved and fit into the system more than Arshavin does at times.
Mayank…Watt will take Bendy’s place.
I think we need someone who’s not fitted into the system at all times. Arsh provides an excellent foil to the rest of our team, his directness and effectiveness is something to behold.
Yeah David, that’s what they’ve played when I’ve seen them, Vela and Dos Santos either side of the central striker, be it Blanco or Sabah, and Vela and Dos Santos switching sides with each other
Mesut Ozil, Mario Balloteli, Edin Hazzard, all on my Christmas list.
I think we should go for Marcos Senna again in January.
Mayank you’ve got no Wilshere there, nor Merida! Wilshere especially
I don’t know David you tell me…
Sorry for the bad joke it’s late here…:D
Agreed
I think when Cesc scored his second against the Spuds they were suprised by his directness.
Its refreshing to see it instead of the constant side to side football.
I hate to say it but it was Rooney-esque.
Oops!
Well Theo central and JW right.
Rooney-esque my ass, it was Maradona-esque..
so we are linked with a player called gai and mesut,has anyone seen much of these two??????
i feel there is far to much focus has been put on toure and ade for next carlingcup game wenger stoped thinking about those 2 long a ago and its just another game,i would not play rvp at all we need think about keeping your best players fresh for the prem and champoins legue if this was carling cup final then it might be worth playing him but unless that happens wenger should stick with young players and its very important see hwo well these young players perform away from home
no leon wenger should not stick with these young players we need to win something and this comp is a good chance to do that
Theo cannot play central in our current system mainly because he cannot hold the ball up, and does not have enough composure, his pace is perfectly suited the playing on the right in our current system, cesc, arsh and rvp will find him all day long
Geoff;
Maybe my maths is bad, but how could we be 4 points clear exactly? We are 5 points behind and have dropped 8 points all season… The fact you are suggesting we should’ve won every game is daft enough, but do we get an extra point for being cool too? Oh, you must be including the game in hand we havent played yet.
Your logic is still way dodgy. Been a long day huh?
Vela is perfectly suited to our brand of 4-3-3, as is Theo, nasri, Rosicky, Wilshire, Watt, Sunu and so on… It aint a coincidence or a fluke either…
Gunnergetyou;
I imagine Theo is destined for that right side of the 3 fella…
BBK;
You fancy a side bet to go along with our other mcn shitty bet?
bbk it depends on prem games and champoins legue and yes it simportant to win something but also i feel its good to have a blend of young players + experienced players and i dont think its worth risking rvp for early stages of carling cup but again it all depends on fixtures and injuries and rvp,song,gallas vern ahve played every week,i feel the young players we have are good enough just need some experienced players
the league cup doesn’t count as winning something for the first team! 3rd and winning nothing is better than 4th and winning the league cup imo
A;
I agree there. FFS! We are probably the only country that has 2 domestic cups anyways… Sure it’d be nice for the yutes…
True Mang, and the only country where the main domestic cup is taken very seriously! The FA Cup is the most prestigious domestic cup competition in the world, and even that isn’t a big deal anymore, the league cup is just a joke, but has been made semi-worthwhile as it’s good experience for the kids
the league cup would be a good start for a team that aint won anything for 4-5 years, unless you count the fa youth cup
if we play a mixture of youth and experience we have a good chance,
but i dont think we can win anything with silvest, senderous and gilbert in our defence at the same time.
GGY;
Well, they did well in the last game. I think Gilbert might give way to Eboue, actually. And I thought both Silvestre and Senderos did well too.
But as A says, we are the only league to have 2 domestic cups and its pretty daft to make it out to be a big deal… Its only the media and likkle teams like the spuds that big it up.
well prehaps if the first team played in the league cup more offen and went on to win it they might be able to go on and win the league due to knowing what its like to actually win something.As it stands it’s the only real sort of chance of winning something but only if wenger puts a a first team 11
you woud rather finish 3rd and win nothing thats the sort of shite that people get excited about hese days and why we have settled for shit for so long
yeah mang, but i just cant wait for the media to shut-the-fuck-up about our trophy drought, its mentioned every time we play.
It’s a reflection of how football has changed BBK, finishing one place higher up is more of an achievement than winning the league cup now, but some fans havn’t cottoned on to that.
ggy sendy and silvestre did well last time, i’m going for
fabianski
eboue senderos silvestre traore
ramsey denilson merida
theo vela wilshere
I reckon that team could beat city
Oh dear BBK.
You seriously think winning the poxy carling Cup will lead to any other success? hats hilarious!
Wenger’s record in the carling cup is pretty effin good anyways. Fergie would only play his kids if he could, but trhey’d get stuffed by the likes of Coventry at home!
nah it’s not a especially if we claim to be a big club that keeps on banging on about how much talent we posses but continue to serve up the same bollocks
though if it’s the difference between 11th and 12th then winning the league cup is probably better actually, but the difference between playing in europe and not, or going into the group stages and having the qualify, is much much greater and more significant for the future of the club than winning the league cup or not.
yeah wengers record is great a few semi finals a final but never won it
Gunnergetyou;
Yeah, I know mate. Every article’s 1st paragraph will mention it wont they! Twats the lot of em…
I think we have a good chance of beating the northern chavs whoever gets a game…
bbk we are a big club, so the league cup doesn’t matter to us, it only matters to little clubs, who have no chance of winning anything else. The league, champs league, and fa cup to a lesser extent are the be all and end all, the league cup would just be an irritating inconvenience if it wasn’t the chance to give the kids playing time. It’s BECAUSE we’re a bit club that it doesn’t matter.
BBK
Of FFS! You are a whiny old soak mate! Its the ONLY effin domestic thing he hasnt won!
a each year we qualify for the champions league we get to the quarters semis play english teams and get knocked out we got to the final for the first time and lose,are we ever going to actually win the thing? we have been empty handed in the league for 5 years now,prehaps if we go on to win the carling cup we just might be able to go on and win some more silverware it won’t hurt will it to actually put out our strongest 11 and try and win the thing
being that theres only premier league teams left in the league cup, it could be harder to win than the fa cup, depending on the draw. how else could you explain a portsmouth vs cardiff final. im sure all the clubs left in the competition will be taking it seriously, including the mancs and the chavs
a incase you havent noticed we havent won fuck all either for the past 4-5 years is that big club mentality
bbk getting to the quarters of the champs league is a bigger achievement than winning the whole league cup, i care about us competing with the best teams around, not having shiny silverware to put in the trophy cabinet.
“continue to serve up the same bollocks…”
Considering the season is not even half way done and we are scorin goals a plenty, still lookin good in every thing, players have come on big styleee, I really do not understand what you mean?
Unless you are are kinda willing us t fail so you can beat yourself up some more???
we wont win the champions league and we wont win the league the only chance to win something for us are in the domestics
yeah it is bbk, we’ve gotten to the champs league final, and semi final, which is WAY bigger than winning the league cup every season….
compete and end up getting beaten for the past 12 years if that’s achieveing something ,well
it’s not achieving what we want to achieve bbk, but it’s more of an achievement than winning the whole league cup. Being in the top 2, or 4 in Europe, rather than being the best out of a mix of reserve and first teams in the football league and premier league
BBK
Hahaha! You chat about a big club mentality, when you’re the one saying we wont win shit! What a joke…
Its not about winning it’s the taking part bit that counts
m.g we used to be a big club not any more
SO Diaby will play for France.Thats happy news indeed
Why do you bother? It must be such a pain to have to support Arsenal… All the pain and suffering you have to go thru… I mean, Arsenal has always won stuff hasnt it>>> ERm…
m.g if our recent drought does not worry then i think you the one who’s shouldn’t be bothered
yeah it is bbk, we’ve gotten to the champs league final, and semi final, which is WAY bigger than winning the league cup every season….
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I would never agree with it.We were not consistent in the CL last season,and hobbled all along the way till the semis before we lost a decent team.I would have been happy with a domestic cup last season.Not that I care about the mickey mouse cup.
BBK;
I go and watch the team, support the players, etc coz they are my team. I enjoy the games, especially the wins!
If you dont get that same enjoyment (if you go to games, or watch on TV, whatever?) then you seriously should find something else to do with your time…
Winning trophies is fantastic, but what the fuck d you do if we dont?? Stop supporting them? Become a chav, or a manc? What about supprters of the likes of Charlton, Leeds, Scunthorpe??? They must be all fuckin mugs! Supporting teams that wont win the champions league…
I accept there is a price to pay if a club moves to a new stadium.
I happily follow my team who play the best football in the world.
Winning trophies is the icing on the cake.
I am patient – I wish more people were.
Well said. M.G.
Jaguar;
Haha! I almost missed your 1st post fella! Slating Diaby yet again…. Nice work dude!
what a ridiculous logic!Dont say that those fans wouldnt want them to win any silveware?
And if someone finks that Arsenal are in the same league as Charlton,Leeds and the likes,they need to get a reality check,before accusing others of being plastic fans.
Where did I slate Diaby,MG?If I want Diaby to play for France,how am I slating him?;)
that’s charlton,leeds and scunny not arsenal.
Jagyar;
I might have known you show yourself up with your lack of knowledge!!
You mean Leeds, who were in the semis of the CL and spending money like it was goin out of fashion eh?
Or maybe Burnley, Derby, Nott Forest, Sheff Wednesday? You know BIG teams who won titles, but where are they now?
The arrogance to assume that they are not big teams is incredible, considering their history…
BBK;
It is pointless bothering to try and explain it to you. You simply do not getit.
Jabuar;
It was a joke, FFS…
Blackburn rovers had a Premier League title, when Liverpool has zilch.So does it imply somefin?
How do you get my name wrong every single time,MG?
m.g if your happy with entertaining football and no out come that’s up to you im not.
Goonerman;
Well said before dude.
All this patience bollocks what for we want it all and we want it now
Your only saying lets be patience because you know we are going to end up with fuck all again
BBK;
Oh FFS! Its about being a SUPPORTER! Its about goin to the games, havin a laugh, watching the team perfom, seeing players come thru, getting pissed, goin thru the highs and lows… Basically, its about EVERYTHING!
The trophies is a small part of it, dont get me wrong, I get gutted when we lose, took me ages to get over the spud 4-4 last season. But it is about the whole thing, the whole experience..
Those who constantly go on about trophies all the fucking time are missing a trick, IMO…
Its really difficult to explain mate… We’d need to do it over a few beers! Not on here!
B.B.K. Says:
November 12, 2009 at 20:56
Your only saying lets be patience because you know we are going to end up with fuck all again
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Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
I feckin love you man! Not in a gay way, but you feckin crack me up!!!
Jaguar;
Sorry dude! I dont get it either? The G aint even near the B is it???
Feck me! I need a drink! Anyone fancy a pint???
Laterssssssss
Sorry if I have gone a bit! And sorry if my language has been a bit much too… Didnt mean to antagonise or slate anyone…
Loving your work ManG !!!
“Those who constantly go on about trophies all the fucking time are missing a trick, IMO…”
http://www.goal.com/en/news/1717/editorial/2009/11/12/1620641/arsenal-special-thomas-vermaelen-stakes-claim-as-buy-of-the
nice article about ou verminator!
Mangoonian
Re your 20:57 post I couldn’t put it better myself.
We all want to win a trophy as a culmination of a season but there have been much longer periods of time where we have been no where near any success in the past.
I have been regularly going to watch Arsenal play since the Don Howe/Terry Neil era and boy at times were we rubbish.
I agree there have been loads of lows with some highs and people need a little more patience..
Do you guys think that there is genuine interest in Ozil? Why else would his agent refuse to comment on it and he said Ozil needs to concentrate. Would he say that if we haven’t shown an interest?
bbk chats bollocks he thinks were shite and thinks we are the onlybig club not to have won anything for 4-5 years liverpool barcelona inter ac milan have all had spells where they havent won their lge recently for longer then that
wenger has made mistakes during that time but as a whole i wouldnt swap the wenger era for nothing
ihis year the team can do it, yes we need to 1-2 players in jan to help back up the defensive side of our squad, i wouldnt swap our squad for anyones
Well said MarkG
That sort of thing always happens Pat, it’s the same rhetoric every agent comes out with whether there’s anything in it or not! I’d be shocked if there was any genuine interest, Wenger has already talked about needing to make space for the likes of Ramsey and Merida, Wilshere will end up central too, adding another young player to an already overloaded set wouldn’t make much sense to me, not to mention for a fair bit of money.
I can only hope that Wenger wouldnt leave the responsibilities of Alex Song to the likes of Diaby,when he is off to the ACN,without bringing in a quality DM.
It’ll be Denilson there Jaguar, not Diaby, which is absolutely adequate imo, we should be fine for those 3-4 matches. I wouldn’t rule out someone like Matuidi coming in, but they wouldn’t play straight away anyways. I reckon if Wenger thought Diaby could play that role then he would’ve played there rather than Ramsey against Wolves
I am wary of Denilson making an immediate impact. He has played alongside Song the whole of last season.He is more of an interceptor than a tackler. He would do well,if paired alongside an inform Song,but I dont bank on him to do a DM’s job which Song has been doing pretty good this season.Another horrifying aspect would be to see Wenger starting Diaby every single match,citing his height.
thats true jag
for me the only other dm at our club is cocquelin and now eastmond
Jaguar Song and Denilson only both played when Cesc was out, I reckon he’ll be more than capable in a three man midfield of doing the job, more so than in a 4-4-2 alongside cesc. I would expect to see Diaby play to add some physicality against Villa and Bolton away, but there are only four games so even if it was every single match it isn’t that big a deal, we should be fine.
Or I’d also be happy with Senderos playing DM if physicality was THAT necessary, have to just wait and see what happens
Is bbk cheering you all up again?
people might shoot me down for this but I think Nasri could play the dm role very well. I remember reading some French coach saying he could play there as well as Wenger saying it. I know he had a few dodgy trials there before and he is a brilliant attacking threat but I think he could do a job there for a few games .
ThatArsenalGuy when they were talking about Nasri, they were talking about him playing the Pirlo role, deep lying playmaker, alongside a proper defensive player. He hasn’t had any dodgy trials there either! All common mistakes that seem to have been accepted as if they were true! Nasri has never played as our main DM without a proper DM playing, and really couldn’t imo.
”i wouldn’t swap our squad anyones”Are you sure about that
I certainly wouldn’t bbk, absolutely noone in england
”i wouldn’t swap our squad for anyones”Are you sure about that,lets be real now havin djourou,senderos,eboue,bendtner,denilsong,almoonia,fabianski,mannone and the other goal keeper in you squad you are bound to go through a barren spell and a long one at that
If you woulnt want to swap Diaby for Fletcher,then I have absolutely no comments.
Fletcher is an over rated wanker. we did all that this afternoon.
yeah,so was Ronaldo,GM.
I didn’t say that Jaguar. I hate ronaldo but I think he’s probably slightly better than fletcher. I don’t really rate diaby much either but 6 months ago most mancs felt about fletcher like you feel about diaby. Fletcher is trying too hard to be roy keane. Spiteful cunt
I would absolutely swap Diaby for Essien..or even Mikel but thats about it. Oh i do like Zhirkov tho…wouldnt mind him at the grove.
Diaby for Essien is a joke.
Fletchers importance to the mancs just shows how weak thier squad is.
they’d have to give us bosingwa as well
All Fletcher has going for himself if an amazing workrate. Aside from that he is a championship footballer at best.
Diaby = Essien+Cech+Bosingwa+Lampard+150m.
And an uncanny knack of not getting booked by the ref, even after committing horrific fouls,Stu.
And getting sent off in the CL semi and missing the final
That uncanny knack comes as part of being employed by united. All mancs have that “talent”.
And crying that he’s being victimised. Now it’s all Wengers fault apparently
I’m off now. See you later. Diaby is our player. Fletcher is a cheating manc cunt
And Johnny Evans.What a thug!Obertan even worse.
Jaguar Says:
November 13, 2009 at 00:23
If you woulnt want to swap Diaby for Fletcher,then I have absolutely no comments.
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Ahh, if only! Hahaha!
Have you heard the news fucknutz?
Fat Frank is out for 8 weeks, apparantly..
I think A meant swapping entire squads, not just cherry pickin dudes!
goonermichael;
Yes mate, true and check you laters…
Obertan must be one of their shittest buys in recent years. Having seen him come on as a sub in one of their matches he was pathetic. Just stood in the same place for about 30seconds until the ball fell at his feet and missed a sitter. Other than that he has just been anonymous.
Fuckerson’s knack in spotting, the best of diving cheats from round the globe is indeed commendable.
lol what a load of shit these papers love to hype this shit up,cuntpard out for 8 weeks
What happened Fat Frank? Did his ankles finally break under all the weight.
True, could be complete bullshite! But, let’s wait and see my cynical pal!
Him and Rooney had a fight over the last doughnut…
By the time we play the chavs, they’re have no friggin team left…
Ny evil plan is working… Mwoooohaahaahaahaahaa!!!
Good night and good luck…
I’ve never seen Lampard injured and if true, we are very lucky. Him and Cesc always cancel each other out.
Drogba will probably be fit, but Bosingwa and Lampard injuries seem serious.
Collection of Gunners names:-
Does Wenger go for a collection of players names resembling deadly weapons e.g.
AK47 Arshavin, B52 Bomber, RVP Revolver, V5 Verminator
Damn interlull!!
Wtf we supposed to do this weekend?
Just heard about Fat Frank. That’s a shame, isn’t it!
ArsenalKenya: very good point. Love it.
Lampard got a cramp traveling cattle class it seems
arsenal kenya: hahaha spot on
I think it’s BS.
It’s probably a cunning move by Ancelotti to save him for the chavs.
If it’s true then we have no excuse not to tear them a new one on the 29th
Verminatoooorrrrrrrr
Spectacularrrrrrrrr
You can just feel that manure are teetering on the edge of the slide down the gurgler. Can I be the one to give them & their disgusting fans the big shove that sends them tumbling
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