So Gavin Hoyte has signed for Brighton, on loan it has to be said, but that now means that Simpson, Lansbury, Thomas and Hoyte are all out on loan, is that saying he believes the young English kids will make it, or they are just not good enough, did Theo, Wilshere or Ramsey go on loan?
Ashley Cole did though so maybe… It’s a question, that’s all, not a whine, over the years we’ve had a lot of talent go south so I always get a little nervous when we lose young players on loan, wondering if they are valued, wondering whether we’ll see them again, Hoyte didn’t stand out for me so I won’t be devastated if he left, but after waiting so long for them to come through the ranks I always feel a part of me dies when they go out on loan.
Cesc says he’s loving the 4-3-3 and it gives him more freedom, it makes you wonder why it took so long for the boss to give it a go doesn’t it? I mean no one liked 4-5-1, we certainly hated it, so at least we are at last doing something both the fans and the players both like.
Not a big news day today so maybe tomorrow will bring something special, maybe tomorrow will unleash a loan signing like Paddy, at least tomorrow means we are a day closer to next Saturday when we get to see the Arsenal again.
Have a great day Grovers, at least Friday is joke day!
Gibbs was 17, Bendtner was 17, how old was Carlos? What about Randall?
I’m sure 17 year old go out on loan… and that wasn’t my point… he wasn’t ready at 18 either.
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Love these Tottenham jokes
A, you can’t possibly quote those clubs like they mean something! Only Lyon would have played him!
Again, my point wasn’t what would have happened to him if they’d signed him… my point was what would have happened if he’d had a bad year and been slung out… you know, after that Pompey game.
Not to mention that Theo was already playing in the Championship…
Vela was on loan because we couldn’t get a work permit for him!
Bendtner was 18, Gibbs was 18-19….
I can’t think of a single 17 year old who’s gone on loan except for when they aren’t allowed into the country as with vela! I’m sure there must be one, but it’s very very rare. Generally players are loaned when they’re physically ready to play regularly, in a first team, that generally happens when they’re 18 if they’re quick developers, 19-20 if they aren’t such quick developers, and 17 if they’re exceptionally quick, though if they’re that good then they’ll play for their parent club rather than be loaned.
Yeah Pedro I know, and those are only sky sports reports saying they were after him, but my point is that he was a highly sought after and highly rated player, as with the exceptional talent visa, he wasn’t just an average player who’s come through the academy because he was half decent and lived in the local area, as with most of the english kids who are offloaded.
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i think pedro was referring to me saying jack ..
and in his case being in the 1st team and training with them , he is more than fit enough to play 90 minutes a week FFS !
at 17 i could run all day and night !
its a arsene bullshit cliche, about over use of
young players .. he uses the youth excuse to keep his production line rolling out in age order ..
nothing more ..
jack has the talent .. and should be getting games under his belt, and toughening him up for his short career ahead ..
football is a 10-15 year career , if he is showing these signs now he should be let off the leash , not stunted …
wenger should be playing him at least every 2nd game , and he should be picked over the likes of eboue – song … no bashing intended , but
skill and talent takes preference over time at the club ..
ethan all he did last season was train with the first team, and he ended up totally burnt out and buggered by xmas! He isn’t close to being fit to play 90 week in week out imo, though he’s certainly fit enough to feature regularly, and even start the odd game.
He obviously isn’t going to be picked over the likes of Song and Eboue, being a completely different type of player! Though I wouldn’t mind him getting the odd start ahead of Rosicky or Arshavin in the easy games, starting at Birmingham next weekend would be nice!
Generally players are loaned when they’re physically ready to play regularly,
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fuccccccckkkkkkkkkkkkkkk!
at 17 your telling me you cant play 90 minutes of football once a week ?!
and if he does get fatigued , even thou i cant see it , rest him then !
you cannot get more skillful without REAL MATCH PRACTICE !!! thats a fact …
and song is living proof of that as pedro said earlier
A, the irony is… we’re over protective to the max… yet we get the most injuries.
Bad science I feel.
ethan all he did last season was train with the first team, and he ended up totally burnt out and buggered by xmas!
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what ?
it looked more like depression to me ..
even 400 pound fatties can train over 3 hours a day in all these weight loss programs , they are hardly long term athletes ..
trust me A its a subject i know A LOT about ..
and other than wengers refusal to not bulk up his players , your talking total rubbish !
Rooney – good or bad , played at 17 ..
and is still strong today , sure he’s had his up’s and downs and i think he is over rated , but he is living proof you can be thrown into the deep end and still swim !
and jack has considerably more talent .
Ethan, you wouldn’t even need to play him every week…
Also A if you knew anything about training/fitness , most training schedules are tailor made to suit the individual , and there needs , to focus on there weaknesses .
if jack was getting fatigued then they are not doing there job correctly ..
you prepare all week to make jack MORE THAN READY for his 90 minute run , and lets face it im not saying jack should play 90 minutes a week either , more like 30 – 40 max .
if you cant play 30 minutes of football a week
@ 17 ,better start ordering meals on wheels !
pedro , just getting to that
Ethan, our fitness coach is a bit of an luddite compared to other clubs…
Right, i’m hitting the sack!
Catch ya’ll tomorrow!
Pedro Says:
October 9, 2009 at 22:32
A, the irony is… we’re over protective to the max… yet we get the most injuries.
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i dont think its over protective , more a case that wenger has a pecking order , and you can only cue jump if your making noises ….
or have a big price tag/ work permit or other expectancies on you
off to the liverpool site. far better crack
The crux is Wenger cant handle the ego of English players,and thats the reason why they are shipped out.If a headless chicken like Diaby starts week in week out for Arsenal with fuckall improvement in four years,I’m absolutely sure,that the likes of Upson and Muamba would’ve gone on to achieve great things with Arsenal.Mr.Wenger cant tolerate ‘sub-standard’ English players,but is happy to have headless chickens and geriatrics in our squad.
the squirrel only made 1 appearence in a champions league match. is he out on loan?
First off, great site and great posts.
Second, it seems to me that most ppl here are from UK and the comments from charybdis1966 at actually knowing Gavin’s family … to me that’s so cool.
Being from Canada and loving Arsenal it seems like something very far far away from here
except their soccer which I never miss any games.
ethan you obviously know sweet fuck all about football training if you believe that “most training schedules are tailor made to suit the individual , and there needs , to focus on there weaknesses .”
there will be brief focusses on an individual’s weaknesses now and then, but 90% plus of training is done as a team, or in small groups, not specific to an individual.
Last season Wilshere started off the season as a member of the first team squad. As a 16 year old, competing with and training with grown men, it was a big step up from training with other kids. It took his tole on him, with his being given time off early this year to have a rest, and then training back with the youths for a while.
Very very few 17 year olds are capable of playing game in game out, Cesc and Rooney were special cases, Wilshere wasn’t at a physical level to play at that age, Rooney was because he was a boy in the body of a man at 16, (and even he was protected and rotated in and out of the team) and Cesc was because the way he plays doesn’t require as much of a physical level, his game is built around his intelligence, not dribbling as Wilshere’s is.
You DO NOT prepare an individual player to play a specific match, that would just be stupid, and simply isn’t the way things are done!
A Says:
October 10, 2009 at 02:37
ethan you obviously know sweet fuck all
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the only person who knows sweet fuck all about training A is you !
when your getting paid those amounts they dont give everyone the same training schedule as every fucker is NOT the same ! FULL STOP !
A, stop talking fucking crap about shit you know nothing about i was a personal trainer you gimp !
i know the idea of training is to not make the
individual totally fucked and cannot preform at the optimum level any monkey should figure that out if your any sort of fitness trainer at all, do you honestly think jacks training and gallas are the same ?
training on the pitch is just a fraction of what goes on ..gym / cardio / warm ups warm downs / practical and im sure eboue doesnt do penalty training . likewise im sure almunia doesnt do spot kick training .. am i am sure cesc RVP do free kick training .. defenders are different to strikers etc etc . every fucker is different !
so your telling me a 17 year old cannot train to the same level as theo ?
fuck you talk so much bollocks !
do 5 or 10 years in a gym !
or train 7 days a week for an international karate tournaments then get back to me !
you clearly know FUCK ALL ! about this , and i can challenge you on every issue of this topic !
you talk so much crap 99% of the time you need a tissue
Jaguar 23.28, spot on mate. Song is average like Diaby and Denilson but probably sucks up big time. Diaby has talent but can’t seem to unlock it, the other two though just aren’t good enough.
That’s not bashing, that’s a reality.
A, I’m afraid Ethan is right… I know people who work with the top clubs and they do tailor training sessions around individuals or small groups.
Their is obviously group training, but if you think that’s all that goes on, you are very naive.
Sometimes you make very bold statements about things I’m pretty sure you have no knowledge of… Well, that I know you have no knowledge of.
Do you think the whole Man United team were doing the same bulk up training Ronaldo was doing when he was 18? Obviously not… and blaming Jacks form on fitness is weak as well, I’d put it down to the over hype. Maybe sitting on our bench too much got him down.
Blimey what is with all the name calling? I didn’t think we did that on here?
Huge game tonight.
Denmark v Sweden. Tickets sold out in seconds and there are stadiums with huge screens showing the game. The local bars are charging up to €20 entrance to watch the game, they generously offer a free pint for the privilege. Big night for Nik, upon whom much will depend.
If Dk win, we are SA bound. A draw and who knows.
I’m rubbing my eyes
Is that actually BR
Actually you are both right. There is a degree of specific individualised training mainly gym work or to focus on an area of weakness but the majority of the training is collective.
I know this to be fact.
Little Nicky
might become a man after this one BR
dead right pedro ,
you can imagine jacks enthusiasm being named in the 1st team at the start of the year then October turned to November , December and so forth and he isn’t even getting 1 game in the EPL ..
when i think he proved last pre season and this one that he is good enough to mix it with the big boys ,he could have been used sparingly at least ..
its enough for you to start questioning managements
judgment, and enthusiasm for jack December onwards must of had him on a downer ..
also everyone can have an off game or 2 , i dont see cesc’s slump prior being blamed on his inability to keep up with training ..
saying a 17/ 18 year old cant keep up is pure bollocks at its highest level !
fuck i wish i was that young again !
Sure is GG.
I have been blogging everyday (as usual) but we have missed each other.
Congrats on the win in SA. Smacked our butts again…. but we won the Big One
In all honsesty though, international breaks are a pain in the arse. A weekend without the Gooners is not good
baxter A started it
i finished it
Ok BR, you won the big one,I must admit, but the roster for the next big one, down here, is about to be released, so enjoy, we have plans for you lot
yes i agree GG ,
but without internationals we wouldnt get names like AA or the verminator ..
even your aussie boys must be playing you cant tell me you wont tune in to see the chance of cahill etc play all together ..
without these world cups and euro fixtures you wouldnt get names from all over the globe surfacing ..
NEW POST!
Whatever is happening in training is not helping with the preponderance of strains and minor knocks.
That the players can last 95 minutes is a given, whether they are 17 or not.
ethan howdy mate. Yes Oz v Holland is about get under way soon. The Dutchys are after revenge